such beautiful round tone on all of them. I'd want one in each of the sizes, but if only one I think it would have to be the 8. It sounded the best through all tuning ranges to my ear. Plus I've always just loved 8" snares. I get that in a mix you couldn't discern the difference between those and other great snare drums that may be cheaper etc...but that's not really the point in my opinion. It's what I love about Japanese craftsmanship. Many times they just want to see how close you can get to perfection in every regard. Not just sound but the very idea of crafting a drum with no glue from a single piece of wood that is an art piece in itself as much as it is a functional object. It's an amazing accomplishment and worth every penny, in my opinion, to give these craftsmen the opportunity to try to achieve this stuff. For things like this, the people who buy these drums are more like "patrons of the arts" who commission works (as you did in this situation...bravo!) and allow these artist/craftsmen the ability to do something they'd probably never be able to do otherwise.
I'm a sucker for 5" snares, but man that 6.5" really sang to me in a way drums of that depth usually don't. And that 8", holy moly. That's a really special sound. Hope I can get my hands on one of these sometime.
This is one of the best snare drum available for all the reasons Shane shared on the video. I used to have one back in the day and ended up selling it before I got to explore with different heads and tunings. I remember it being bright and extremely sensitive, sloppy ghost notes were clear as so it demands you to have control. Glad you guys made this video, I am thinking getting one of these at some point and that 8” is something else!!
Congrats on coming up with this snare drum concept with Canopus! They should have dedicated the first one to you with the Serial #00001 with a badge on it for the Drum Center of Portsmouth. Then, you should have made a video of you playing it, afterwards placing it in the DCP museum. What a piece of art and workmanship! That 14x8 is a seriously well made drum with the awesome sound to prove it. Kudos, Shane!
I shouldn't be surprised (because Shane is usually spot on with his advice on drums) but I am in that the 8" was my favorite as far as sound. I thought it would be the 6.5 when I first saw the three size options.
Awesome. These are definitely on my radar but always wondered about the different sizes - I think this might be the only clip with like for like recording anywhere. Top work! Might have to buy from you guys too seeing as our local distributor won’t supply costs even when asked 😂
I felt the same thing when I first got into Doc Sweeney stave snares. So much projection and sustain you’d think you were playing a metal snare. But then you go low and it still has the woody thunk that metal can lack. Thick, lightweight, homogeneous shells
That's some gorgeous timber right there!!........gotta say I was most impressed with the 5". It remained full at all tunings with no choking. The 6.5" is great, and the low tuning was fuller as expected. The 8" was just, more, as expected. The high tuning didn't strike me any more than the 5", which is a testament to the smallest drum ;:-) ......the 5" would be my pick. All are fantastic instruments! ;:-)
For some reason, I tend to only like the sound of deep snares when recorded, so while I preferred the 8" in this video (although they were all incredible), I'd probably like the 5" the best if I played them unmic'd.
this is the first video where i actually notice some of the nuances of these drums. the thing that gets me about canopus is that they seemingly spare no expense on the shells and the lugs yet the strainer is the same OEM model you get on a pearl sensitone. canopus needs to step it up with a proprietary strainer and butt or at least put a trick strainer on there so it's comparable quality as the lugs.
Bucket list snare Canopus is that drum company if you like japanese craftsmanship. Heck if you are already saving up 400-600 bucks for a nice snare. Why not what a few more paychecks and get one?
Why is there a mold needed for a shell made from a hollowed out log? Is the mold necessary to further season and hold the shells shape after the outside of the shell is cut on the lathe?
My favorite Zelkova snare size is ALL three of them. ALL three sounded best at higher tunings because there was the least amount of ringing and unwanted overtones. Since ALL three drums were tuned "wide open" (no muffling of the drumhead) the lower and mid-range tunings produced ringing and some unwanted overtones. Some drummers prefer that open sound, I myself do not. You didn't mention what brand and model of drumheads were used, so I assumed they were probably Remo Coated Ambassadors. However, as you know that ringing and unwanted overtones can be remedied with specific drumheads made by Aquarian, Evans and Remo, maybe even DW. Just like your video on the 10 favorite snare drum picks by DCP's staff, I want to own and PLAY ALL three Zelkovas and those 10 snare drums. I can't help it if I'm an EQUIPMENT SLUT. I'M A GEAR WHORE. Le😎 Ameruba 🇵🇭 🇺🇸 🇨🇺 Percussionist / Drummer
I’ve been watching your videos of these drums over the years. The 8” version is truly incredible. Does it sound as meaty in person when you play it as it does here mic’d up?
IMO the all time snare is the 12 Lug Sonor Signature Cast Bronze beast from the 80s. most were 10 lug which was awesome but the 12 lugs just makes it look like some type of new Lockheed Martin prototype weapon or something. The snare system one those….
I would love to know why companies cut their snare edges so they come so close to the head’s collar. I’m no master drum builder but after building a few kits I really feel they bearing edges need to be off the collar to resonate more.
@@metrodrumstv I’ve found the opposite from my experience. 🤷 courses.physics.illinois.edu/phys406/sp2017/NSF_REU_Reports/2003_reu/Eric_Macaulay_Final_Paper.pdf
I admire the construction, but there was too much low end overhang to these drums for my liking. Seems like it it would be difficult to deal with in a mix. Maybe too much resonance isn't always a good thing.
Close mics on the snare are a Shure SM57 and an Oktava MK-012. The overheads are a big part of the sound though and that is a pair of Earthwork SR25s. The mic in the foreground is a Shure KSM32 and that is acting a bit as a mono kit mic and is blended in underneath the rest of the mics.
The 5” sounded best at high tuning The 6.5” sounded best at medium tuning. The 8” sounded best at Low tuning. At these tunings the ring/ overtones seem to blend well. My humble opinion. I’ll stick with my 6.5 Noble & Cooley and my Ludwig Black Beauty.
EDIT: Just wanted to say that I love the store and am a big supporter. I've bought plenty of great gear from DCP. Nevertheless, this was is big disappointment. I can't imagine taking down a 200 year old tree to make a drum. I've had the privilege of visiting old growth forests, and there are few things in the world as beautiful and elegant - natural or manmade. Given that there is an abundant supply of farmed woods like birch and maple, I don't see any reason to collect a drum like this. On the other hand - perhaps this tree was salvaged, naturally fallen. I know DW has made drums that way. I for one won't be buying a drum like this without knowing the history of the wood.
@@adamfrost8417 as far as you know.sure the wood is already cut anyway.but you can bet these forests get cleared regardless cuz theres so many uses for the wood. It's a conundrum. If the wood is already there and the drum is already made,your not really causing the tree to be chopped,for your drum.but someone's cutting it/its already sitting waiting to be used. Just cuz you buy something doesnt mean your morale compass/causes for concerns are being considered. It's like the old "my tax money pays for..." ,in that unfortunately you dont get to decide that your money specifically goes to build a road,help a hospital etc...becuz either way your Money goes to war and government too
Goodness that 8” sounds incredible 🔥
That it does!
This kid built his own candy store.
My buddy has a 5" deep one and it is by far the most sensitive snare drum I have ever played. These things are truly special.
Wow! They were all great but the the 5" a favorite
Shane and the crew always are appreciated for the work they do from my end. Thank you.
Thank you for the kind words!
High quality handmade. Gorgeous wood
Love my Zelkova’s! Love working for Canopus!
That 8" is so nice. So much going on.
So much character!
canopus just makes all the quality tubs
That they do...!
such beautiful round tone on all of them. I'd want one in each of the sizes, but if only one I think it would have to be the 8. It sounded the best through all tuning ranges to my ear. Plus I've always just loved 8" snares.
I get that in a mix you couldn't discern the difference between those and other great snare drums that may be cheaper etc...but that's not really the point in my opinion. It's what I love about Japanese craftsmanship. Many times they just want to see how close you can get to perfection in every regard. Not just sound but the very idea of crafting a drum with no glue from a single piece of wood that is an art piece in itself as much as it is a functional object. It's an amazing accomplishment and worth every penny, in my opinion, to give these craftsmen the opportunity to try to achieve this stuff.
For things like this, the people who buy these drums are more like "patrons of the arts" who commission works (as you did in this situation...bravo!) and allow these artist/craftsmen the ability to do something they'd probably never be able to do otherwise.
I really liked the 14 x 8 snare with the low end tuning the best! What an magnificent sound! Thanks for making this video!
I'm a sucker for 5" snares, but man that 6.5" really sang to me in a way drums of that depth usually don't. And that 8", holy moly. That's a really special sound. Hope I can get my hands on one of these sometime.
I actually always preferred 6.5" snares, and this one is probably the peak of what I could ever wish from one.
This is one of the best snare drum available for all the reasons Shane shared on the video. I used to have one back in the day and ended up selling it before I got to explore with different heads and tunings. I remember it being bright and extremely sensitive, sloppy ghost notes were clear as so it demands you to have control. Glad you guys made this video, I am thinking getting one of these at some point and that 8” is something else!!
Truly special instruments!
I own a special edition of the 6.5" and it's PERFECT, trust me.
Congrats on coming up with this snare drum concept with Canopus! They should have dedicated the first one to you with the Serial #00001 with a badge on it for the Drum Center of Portsmouth. Then, you should have made a video of you playing it, afterwards placing it in the DCP museum. What a piece of art and workmanship! That 14x8 is a seriously well made drum with the awesome sound to prove it. Kudos, Shane!
Surprisingly I think I’m going for that 5” thanks for these videos
same here!
I bought all 3 of my Zelkova's from you Shane! Hard to believe I've been a customer since 2011 !
Thanks for all the support over the years!!
They sound incredible. That 8 at medium tuning is sweet!
Thank you much for doing this video. Shane is sounding really good lately. Love the 5!
Thank you for watching!
Shane is the best!!!!!!!
Those drums give new meaning to the word PHAT!
the whole kit is mindblowing
Одобряю!
I shouldn't be surprised (because Shane is usually spot on with his advice on drums) but I am in that the 8" was my favorite as far as sound. I thought it would be the 6.5 when I first saw the three size options.
Okay, I’m impressed. Great sounding drums, all three.
Awesome. These are definitely on my radar but always wondered about the different sizes - I think this might be the only clip with like for like recording anywhere. Top work!
Might have to buy from you guys too seeing as our local distributor won’t supply costs even when asked 😂
In a word, unbelievable!
Boy those sound amazing. One day....
I felt the same thing when I first got into Doc Sweeney stave snares. So much projection and sustain you’d think you were playing a metal snare. But then you go low and it still has the woody thunk that metal can lack. Thick, lightweight, homogeneous shells
That pic of you at the sushi place is gold lol
All 3 have their own distinct sound, which is why I'd have to buy all 3...
Holy- That 8" sounds 🔥!
The 8" is nice, but MAN that 5x14 was amazing!
Tons of personality in that 5!
This is pretty much the wood equivalent to the Tama Bell Brass. Literally does everything you'd want it to, and it does it well.
I'd rather have a cast Bronze snare.
@@Assimilator702 I SAID NO YOU CERTAINLY WOULD KNOT PREFER THE BRASS OVER THE ZELKOVA!!!
6.5 all the way. I loved my metal drums.
Robert
loved the 5' inch depth zelkova. just a smooth sound not abrasive at all. and had alot of pop. someday hope to own one.
holy drum tone! absolutely glorious, hope to be able to play one someday. great work DCP !
Thank you kindly and hope to see you in the shop someday!
I love the throw off on these drums 😆
Simplicity!
Like the Brady solid hollow tree snare!
That's some gorgeous timber right there!!........gotta say I was most impressed with the 5". It remained full at all tunings with no choking. The 6.5" is great, and the low tuning was fuller as expected. The 8" was just, more, as expected. The high tuning didn't strike me any more than the 5", which is a testament to the smallest drum ;:-) ......the 5" would be my pick.
All are fantastic instruments! ;:-)
Wow
It's like picking your favorite child. If they were made of super expensive, super rare Japanese wood. Arigato.
Looks like you're sporting a Zenith Chronomaster! Loving the new open heart and re-issues.
Thank you! El primero.
Beautiful! 7:29 👍👍OMG I just went snare heaven! 8:48 😭🤘🥁🤘DC
6.5 high tuning, awesome
the look of Shane's face when he started playing said it all
14 X 8 (mid tuning) - like buttah!
Agree! That seems to be the sweet spot.
Yeah! The best
For some reason, I tend to only like the sound of deep snares when recorded, so while I preferred the 8" in this video (although they were all incredible), I'd probably like the 5" the best if I played them unmic'd.
6:02 Kind of reminding me of Bonham's sound. Many thanks for the video btw :)
Love at first sight (at low tunings)
That 8”…….. DROOL!!
Amazing… can’t wait to own it. Really wished you played all three back to back. Tough choice to which size to go for.
#AllOfThem
this is the first video where i actually notice some of the nuances of these drums. the thing that gets me about canopus is that they seemingly spare no expense on the shells and the lugs yet the strainer is the same OEM model you get on a pearl sensitone. canopus needs to step it up with a proprietary strainer and butt or at least put a trick strainer on there so it's comparable quality as the lugs.
That’s what puzzles me, too! And a kind of deal breaker for me because I friggin‘ hate cheap throw offs…
I SAID BUY THE DADGUM DRUM AND PUT YOUR OWN TRICKY STRAINER ON IT!!!
That 14x8 is the wood equivalent of the terminator tama bell brass. It SCREAMS Smells Like Teen Spirit!
Anyway you could do another video of the Sonor Artist series Bronze?? Such a great snare but the video didn't do it justice
You're right.
@@adamfrost8417can you just do a sonor high end snares video?
Bucket list snare
Canopus is that drum company if you like japanese craftsmanship.
Heck if you are already saving up 400-600 bucks for a nice snare. Why not what a few more paychecks and get one?
Why is there a mold needed for a shell made from a hollowed out log? Is the mold necessary to further season and hold the shells shape after the outside of the shell is cut on the lathe?
I wondered that too.
My favorite Zelkova snare size is ALL three of them. ALL three sounded best at higher tunings because there was the least amount of ringing and unwanted overtones. Since ALL three drums were tuned "wide open" (no muffling of the drumhead) the lower and mid-range tunings produced ringing and some unwanted overtones. Some drummers prefer that open sound, I myself do not. You didn't mention what brand and model of drumheads were used, so I assumed they were probably Remo Coated Ambassadors. However, as you know that ringing and unwanted overtones can be remedied with specific drumheads made by Aquarian, Evans and Remo, maybe even DW.
Just like your video on the 10 favorite snare drum picks by DCP's staff, I want to own and PLAY ALL three Zelkovas and those 10 snare drums.
I can't help it if I'm an EQUIPMENT SLUT. I'M A GEAR WHORE.
Le😎 Ameruba 🇵🇭 🇺🇸 🇨🇺
Percussionist / Drummer
#nextlevel
I’ve been watching your videos of these drums over the years. The 8” version is truly incredible. Does it sound as meaty in person when you play it as it does here mic’d up?
Absolutely! That drum is a monster!
IMO the all time snare is the 12 Lug Sonor Signature Cast Bronze beast from the 80s. most were 10 lug which was awesome but the 12 lugs just makes it look like some type of new Lockheed Martin prototype weapon or something. The snare system one those….
Beautiful snares. Prices don't seem unreasonable. Great job on the video too!
Even if I were a pro gigging drummer selling out large stadiums I wouldn’t spend $1,600 on a snare!
@@ghiblinerd6196 yeah but you have a turnip for a head so....
Lol hahahahahahaha.
The look on your face at 3:15 says it all. :D
Do the Zelkova snares require any special care due to how they’re made? They all sound fantastic!
Great video, beautiful snare drums. (Too expensive.)
I would love to know why companies cut their snare edges so they come so close to the head’s collar. I’m no master drum builder but after building a few kits I really feel they bearing edges need to be off the collar to resonate more.
Good contact between the shell and collar will give better energy transfer through the shell.
@@metrodrumstv I’ve found the opposite from my experience. 🤷
courses.physics.illinois.edu/phys406/sp2017/NSF_REU_Reports/2003_reu/Eric_Macaulay_Final_Paper.pdf
5 medium. Your expression said it all around 3:12 or so
I admire the construction, but there was too much low end overhang to these drums for my liking. Seems like it it would be difficult to deal with in a mix. Maybe too much resonance isn't always a good thing.
What mics are those especially on the snare? it makes that snare sound really good. nice review loving those snares. very rich in tone.
Close mics on the snare are a Shure SM57 and an Oktava MK-012. The overheads are a big part of the sound though and that is a pair of Earthwork SR25s. The mic in the foreground is a Shure KSM32 and that is acting a bit as a mono kit mic and is blended in underneath the rest of the mics.
All great, but the 8 inch was best imho.
I own a 5 and want the 8 so bad….
I want one. Or three.
One question i try to buy my drums PDP CONCEPT SERIES OR YAMAHA CUSTOM BRTCH???
How about a comparison with a similar stave shell snare...
Kinda makes my old Ludwig aculite sound a bit lacking.
iPhone speakers don’t do these justice
Nope, definitely need good speakers or headphones to hear all the details.
Always have been interested in these snare drums.cost????
Link in description
I shouldn't have watched this vid... that 8x14 is calling me! just picked up the N&C/Ludwig snare... dang you DCP, take all my monies! :p
Opppps!
The 5” sounded best at high tuning
The 6.5” sounded best at medium tuning.
The 8” sounded best at Low tuning.
At these tunings the ring/ overtones seem to blend well.
My humble opinion.
I’ll stick with my 6.5 Noble & Cooley
and my Ludwig Black Beauty.
Ummmm.... I am almost afraid to ask how much $$$$ it is..... Oh, nevermind, i checked the links.... Nice.
I was surprised they all cost the same. Not that I can afford any of them..:p
I like the 8 I’m surprised all three sizes are the same price
This must be different than all the Zelkovas that are all about my neighborhood.
I use canopus snare wires on my sonor snares.
The best wires on the market!
14x8
how come all three have the same price
Same amount of labor and materials goes into each drum.
8x14
8”
Is Canopus a boutique company?
Yes, definitely.
Has anyone own and use Canopus Zelkova snares for at least 10 years to be able to tell if they keep their shape?
We know many that have had them much longer with no issues!
2 videos in... this man is very quotable... LOL.
get a shirt Shane,,, please dude!
The deeper they got the more wet and flappy they sounded. I'd go the 14x5.
That’s what she said.
EDIT: Just wanted to say that I love the store and am a big supporter. I've bought plenty of great gear from DCP. Nevertheless, this was is big disappointment. I can't imagine taking down a 200 year old tree to make a drum. I've had the privilege of visiting old growth forests, and there are few things in the world as beautiful and elegant - natural or manmade. Given that there is an abundant supply of farmed woods like birch and maple, I don't see any reason to collect a drum like this. On the other hand - perhaps this tree was salvaged, naturally fallen. I know DW has made drums that way. I for one won't be buying a drum like this without knowing the history of the wood.
These aren't mass produced, and there are heavy restrictions to harvesting these trees. It's not like they're clear cutting to build a McDonald's.
@@adamfrost8417 as far as you know.sure the wood is already cut anyway.but you can bet these forests get cleared regardless cuz theres so many uses for the wood. It's a conundrum. If the wood is already there and the drum is already made,your not really causing the tree to be chopped,for your drum.but someone's cutting it/its already sitting waiting to be used. Just cuz you buy something doesnt mean your morale compass/causes for concerns are being considered. It's like the old "my tax money pays for..." ,in that unfortunately you dont get to decide that your money specifically goes to build a road,help a hospital etc...becuz either way your Money goes to war and government too
I think you're making a valid point, and I'm far from a climate change SJW.
I got something for you Shelley.
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We wouldn't have judged you if you did the brushes.