@@CiaoGibson I am sure they are nice sounding drums but,I can only afford the necessities in life ,2 to 3 thousand dollars for a snare ,only for the rich.That's two and a half months salary for me.
@@markdemell3717 Mark, I understand your point, but those are designed for collectors and top pro players. I can assure you - DW collectors are way overpriced compared to those. I heard it at the International Jazz Festival and I heard almost every high-end drumset imaginable. There are only three brands I would say warrant to spend this kind of money : Noble & Cooley, Ebenor Percussion, and Craviotto. Can I afford them? Not at all. That doesn't mean I can't see the incredible craftmanship work here. This type of thing is dying those days.
I'm lucky enough (I worked hard) to have snares from a few high-end companies. Nobody - NOBODY! - makes a shell of the quality of Craviotto. The bearing edges are silky smooth in a way which no other manufacturer comes close to.
Michael McIntosh Not True. Noble and Cooley are right there! I owned 4 Craviottos and they were all nice. I own two N&C’s and they are equally, if not a cut above! Before Johnny passed, the shells were much nicer finished, inside and out. I’ve seen them since and the have changed a bit, in sound and presentation. It’s disappointing that they say they make everything- they don’t make the hardware, the throw-offs, the snare wires, etc. Everything is everything. N&C make, machine and polish their own hardware. Lugs, throws, everything!
@@edwardpetersii6276 The bearing edges on the Craviotto are smoother - it's just a fact. And, you're trying to tell me that the drums sound different since Johnny died? 😂 You can hear a drum and say whether it was made before or after he died? I'd love to see that! 😂 Brilliant.
You are right, nobody makes a shell the quality of Craviotto. The quality of Noble & Cooley shells is ten times better and superior. Therefore, they fall into the category of those companies that don't sound like Craviotto :)
I did not know that someone still makes a solid one ply maple shell, no doubt like the classic Slingerland Radio King shells. I have always been impressed at the ease in which I played one in 7th grade how much that student model "gave back" and made for effortless playing. hard to explain. I have also experienced that with a Ludwig 8.5"x 14" Black Beauty snare drum
More companies are popping up to come to the challenge! The companies I know that make solid ply snares, is Dunnett, Noble and Cooley, Brady, Canopus, Pearl, and I am sure I probably missed a couple other companies. Noble and Cooley have been making them for a while, as well as some of the other companies, but they can't match the advertising of the big name brands unfortunately.
@@robbasso893 Cool! Black swamp makes cool steamply as well, and lately I've been really interested in stave shells from Sugar Percussion, Cask Drum Co. and ply shells from Woods!
I still recall when I heard Craviotto drums for the first time. Francis Filion from Moist, who was my drum instructor at Saint-Laurent college in Montreal - phenomenal rock player, as solid as the shells! - played it in a Janet Jackson tribute at the Montreal International Jazz Festival. I've heard a LOT of drums in my life... but this kit, I'll never forget. Nobody even came *close* to Francis's sound with the Craviotto. Not one of mile long legendary drummer line-up had a tone like this. By far the best drum tone I've heard in my life. Even Noble & Cooley - which I played - isn't as good as Craviotto IMHO.
Cannot believe in these comments that no one mentions Noble and Cooley! N&C have been making SS snare drums since the Civil War! They weren’t as refined back then as they became in the 1980’s, with a little help from some suggestions from a few friends who were inventors. But they were the ones who regenerated and arguably created the ‘modern’ day, SS snare drum revival! I own two and they are just as beautifully appointed and finished as the a Craviottos are. To me, they are very special because of the cache of history they hold, as the oldest drum maker in America, still run by family members of the creators of the company. Also, I noticed they can sound vintage and modern, all in one. They’re more open than Craviotto because only one part of the hardware makes contact with the Shell. On a Craviotto, two points of contact are made, on every single lug, so there is more focus and compression to the overall sound. As my friend puts it, we would rather tone a drum down and remove sound if we have to because you cannot create more resonance or sound, than a drum already has. You can tone them down but you can’t tone them up! They make their own hardware, throws, shells, pick their own wood as well, etc. And the fact that every board sounds different has NOTHING to do with the Craviotto company! It has to do with nature because every solid board of wood is different, even if more than one come from the same tree! Craviotto drums are nice but their hardware, throws, wires and etc., are made out of their house and in fact, I have heard they are made overseas! Disappointing for an American company that charges over a grand for a basic SS snare drum! They’re nice but overpriced, for sure and here’s something they won’t tell you-As every board sounds different, there are some snares that have that MOJO, something special that stands out and grabs attention and others or, typically, many of them that have ‘that’ sound and are pretty sterile and generic. The problem with that is, you need to try a few out to really find a special one. I have played some that were just like regular snare drums and nothing really stood out about them. This, however, is something that doesn’t just occur with Craviotto but also with all the other SS snare drums or, snare drums, in general. However, when you have such high expectations, pay all of that money, possibly specially ordering one and then not being satisfied could bum you out!
VERY WELL WRITTEN MY FRIEND. That is because people are at times ignorant and don't really know what is good, let alone tell the difference. As a reputable owner from a big drum store in the US said to me: Noble & Cooley are the best kept secret in the drum industry. They ARE TRULY SPECIAL DRUMS for special drummers with true ears. Unique drummers and personalities. In this thread you'll read only 3 or 4 people mentioning NC. The rest is just empty banter. Just looking at the stem bending machine from Craviotto in this video compared to the 150 years steam oven from Noble & Cooley makes me cry and feel sorry for all of those who pay thousands for Craviotto drums. If only they had the chance to hear and play a Noble & Cooley.
For build quality Yamaha drums made in China might be the best. I’ve heard there was a flood in Nashville and the drums in storage got destroyed and the drums that survived were the Yamahas.
One of the few true hand made drums left. As much as I like DW, their claim of “handcrafted since 1972” is BS. The only thing hands do there are glue the plies and push the buttons. Craviotto are truly the masters of hand built shells. The sound (and price) attest to it.
Ross Gillis You should check out Noble and Cooley. They have been making Solid Shell snare drums since the Civil War, 1854, I believe. They steam oven they use has been around since the beginning of the company. Look on UA-cam to see N&C actually making them. By hand! They made everything by hand. They machine the hardware in house, the throw-offs, everything! They even hand polish all the hardware. Direct descendants of James Cooley, a founding member, still run the company. Look, Craviotto make nice drums! I’ve owned several but sold them. The hardware isn’t the greatest! That’s the sad part. It is made, overseas. The prices they charge, IMHO is what is a REAL disappointment! I have a 5x14, SS cherry and a 6x14, SS walnut. They are two of the nicest, if not the nicest snares I’ve ever owned. Craviotto USED to, totally finish the inside of their shells, very well. That has changed. They also sound a little different, since Johnny has passed. I don’t know why. Even the hardware is a little different!
Edward Peters II: You’re 100% correct, and have come to know and love N&C since making that comment. I will say the prices are up there with other solid shell or boutique kits, but the fact that ALL of it is made here makes it worth it. They’re truly deserving of all the respect we drummers give them.
MusiQsounds: The finished product, yes. But other than assembling the wood plies, the shells are built by machine. That’s why I have an issue with their claim of “hand crafted”. “Hand finished since 1972” would be more accurate.
All Craviotto does is to copy and imitate Noble & Cooley. Noble & Cooley is the best. Without a doubt. The steam oven Noble & Cooley uses is 150 years old. NOTHING, NO ONE beats that.
Funny my old boss told me (the first time I saw a Craviotto snare)that they were made by boring out the center of one chunk of wood...I’ll admit I was intrigued by the story he was telling,But it did seem quite wasteful though I’m sure it happens more often than not....So it’s nice to know the facts,And I For one can appreciate the commitment especially holding up the tradition and standards of a man who wanted perfection,Sometimes those types of people were hard to be around as they tend to drive others crazy,as they seemed to even drive themselves crazy at times!!!My boss was a perfectionist who put really high standards on me(being his only employee at the time)and demanded perfection as he would promise the client an experience they would find nowhere else,Funny I was the guy delivering all that white glove service,while pulling full shows from the instruments to the full sound systems for entire production of large shows without forgetting one cable or so much as a guitar pick etc!!!Sorry for rambling,But your work is not going unnoticed!!!
There's no question that the other "big-name" drum companies make beautiful, high-quality, great-sounding drums, but ultimately, their shells are really all just glorified plywood. Again, subjectively speaking, the other drum companies make equal or even better-sounding kits, and obviously, there's much more that goes into making a drum besides shell construction and material. But when you're up in that high-end, stratospheric price range there's definitely something extremely appealing and satisfying about knowing your $6K, $7K, or $8K+ drums aren't a bunch of thin sheets of wood and a half-gallon of glue all pressed together.
*Now these aren’t your average packing peanuts, these are Renaissance era packing peanuts that really give quality to the shell and I think you can hear it in the drum*
....they don't show you the actual bending, and now I'm left wondering why!!! Anyway, as a vintage Ludwig guy, owner and player myself I always feel a certain thrill when I see those re-rings on a shell. I like to think this is the quality the Ludwig folks would pull out in their heydays, unless they had to deal with nightshifts and unfulfillable demand (sooner or later I'll get myself both some solid Ludwig and Ludwig shells and some 3ply WFL shells as well). About solid shells, I can maybe see the sonic advantage of having 100% wooden shells and no glue at all or just the tiny little for the re-rings, but I'm also fond of the 3ply cross-grained construction coming from the earlier aviation days and even earlier from the Legionary Shield. As we got to know through History cross-grain shells gives more strength than solid shells, and yes I know, drums don't need to be THAT strong in fact, I only liked the idea... ;-)
I’m a drummer and believe me it’s all in the tuning,, my first kit cost 400 and my last kit cost me 3000,, is there any difference,,,yes! I’m a lot better drummer now.😉
@@Goodboy0953 It’s always nice having professional gear, the main thing for me is the hardware, it’s nice when the snare throw-off works smoothly, when the cymbal stands don’t tip over and spin round, toms stay in place and are infinitely adjustable. As for fifteen ply’s of exotic wood and micro machined bearing edges, I’m not so sure? After all Bonham sounded amazing on drums that were, to all sense and purpose made of plastic.
I love my DW Super Solid snare. The boys at DW essentially use the same process. It weighs a ton...I wonder what the toms and bass drums weigh on these Craviottos...
I have/ had been making "Solid" drum shells for about 25 years, but by solid I mean put 1/2 a tonne blank in a lathe and open it up to reveal the drums that were already made inside it, That all sounds very organic and new age doesnt it ? Its not. A kit comes from(usually) 2 blanks one 18" deep by 24/26" round and another 18" by 12" give or take a foot. prior to machining blanks must be "boiled" to reach plasticization to equallize internal tensions and then dried to an equalibrium moisture content to stabilize the structural integrity and prevent shrinkage and growth due to environmental factors. it takes a big chuck to grab a 1/2 tonne blank and turn it into a shell kit, by taking shells concentrically a uniformity of pattern and characteristics is shared throughout a kit although I never managed to cut shells in 1 inch increments 12,13,14,15,16 toms had to alternate between 2 blanks. as far as I see it the Craviotto drums Do use "Solid" stock just a differrent process (It would feel pretty Solid wraped round the back of Your head!) This process is more control able without the Crapshoot of spending months conditioning wood to open it up and find some trigger happy miscreant has peppered it with a shotgun or driven nails in it 30-40 years ago when the farmer hung a "no shooting" sign on the tree You are now trying to turn into a drum kit. when a drummer slings You a couple K for a nice fat 14x8x1 1/2"snare that wieghs 15 pound and barks like an A.K on heat it makes it all worth while. Im old loosing my eyes and Im going to stop this while Ive still got 10 digits, because Ive been playing drums for about 20years longer than Ive been making them and still do. this process used by Craviotto among others is the closest thing to solid and is repeatable and controllable with a predictable outcome guaranteeing You get what You ask for everytime and the visual appeal is stunning to boot.
These companies that market a "Steam-bent Solid Drum Shell" crack me up. It's either "Steam-bent" or "Solid." You can't have both. Steam bending takes a single piece of wood, applies hot steam to the wood that creates a sufficient amount of moisture that allows you to then bend that piece of wood around a form. So go ahead and then just stop right there with the process. Oh wait, YOU CAN'T. That pesky seam. There is a single seam with Stem-bent shells (usually a scarf joint). No matter how you HIDE that seam, it's still there. The only way to get a true "Solid" shell is if it is hewn from a log. That's right . . take a log, chop off a section, then gut the interior leaving a SOLID continuous shell with no seam.
No, they do not! Only Noble and Cooley do that, of all the Solid Shell snare drums. I mean, family members of the original company, hand machine, polish and create the hardware, throws, wires, everything! They joked about how they were polishing their hardware, over dessert!
@@edwardpetersii6276Sadly, not any more. Since N&C were bought out, they're now sourcing much of the hardware from, yes, you guessed, China. It is a sad time for a historic company.
It America. You get what you pay for. There's a reason these drums are so expensive and I hope they stay that way. The price itself, let alone the craftsmanship sets them apart from the others.
Well as you've seen solid shells are what they are. Solid one peice not multiple plies of cross laminated wood. But if your thinking solid shell as one peice no joints then there are shell like that too but carved/milled out on a lathe from a solid block of wood. But a hell of a waste in material.
Technically they're not solid shells, they're solid ply shells. A solid shell is hollowed out of a log, with no joints or seams, and no steam bending. They are nice drums however.
Hi! Thanks for watching. From what I've seen, a shell like this can go by different names, including "solid shell," "steam-bent," and others. Those hollowed-out log drums you mention are super cool, and super rare. Canopus makes one called Zelkova, and it's stunning (and really heavy!). You can see a demo of it at ua-cam.com/video/MdcUcrq2rfc/v-deo.html and there's a link in the description to a review.
The Stradivarius of drums! God Bless JC and the entire Craviotto Family and Thank You!
Over hyped in my opinion and over priced ,only for the rich drummer .
@@markdemell3717 If you get the chance to try a snare or kit let us know if you still feel that way. Stay safe/healthy!
@@CiaoGibson I am sure they are nice sounding drums but,I can only afford the necessities in life ,2 to 3 thousand dollars for a snare ,only for the rich.That's two and a half months salary for me.
@@markdemell3717 Mark, I understand your point, but those are designed for collectors and top pro players. I can assure you - DW collectors are way overpriced compared to those. I heard it at the International Jazz Festival and I heard almost every high-end drumset imaginable. There are only three brands I would say warrant to spend this kind of money : Noble & Cooley, Ebenor Percussion, and Craviotto. Can I afford them? Not at all. That doesn't mean I can't see the incredible craftmanship work here. This type of thing is dying those days.
Little curiosity (which implies nothing BTW) Craviotto surname comes from Genoa, Stradivari came from Cremona, mere 110 miles apart
This is the first I heard of the brand....inspiring to say the least!
I love my Craviotto snares !!! Best solid shell sound !
Fabulous drums thank you for your work
Thanks for making this video, DRUM! Magazine. I hope to visit you guys someday and meet amazing people there. Congrats!
Wonderful instruments, high professional quality for the best drums, sound incredible .
所有欲と充足感。私の毎日はとても快適です。
They certainly look nice and that's a big part of selling drums!
The absolute finest!
Fantastic drums.
I'm lucky enough (I worked hard) to have snares from a few high-end companies. Nobody - NOBODY! - makes a shell of the quality of Craviotto. The bearing edges are silky smooth in a way which no other manufacturer comes close to.
Brady?
@@mattwoodland5433 Yup, like a cheese-grater.
Michael McIntosh Not True. Noble and Cooley are right there! I owned 4 Craviottos and they were all nice. I own two N&C’s and they are equally, if not a cut above! Before Johnny passed, the shells were much nicer finished, inside and out. I’ve seen them since and the have changed a bit, in sound and presentation. It’s disappointing that they say they make everything- they don’t make the hardware, the throw-offs, the snare wires, etc. Everything is everything. N&C make, machine and polish their own hardware. Lugs, throws, everything!
@@edwardpetersii6276 The bearing edges on the Craviotto are smoother - it's just a fact. And, you're trying to tell me that the drums sound different since Johnny died? 😂 You can hear a drum and say whether it was made before or after he died? I'd love to see that! 😂 Brilliant.
You are right, nobody makes a shell the quality of Craviotto. The quality of Noble & Cooley shells is ten times better and superior. Therefore, they fall into the category of those companies that don't sound like Craviotto :)
Instantly sold upon my first stroke!🥁
Wow for me it’ s a complex task to bent shell i d love to see that👏👏👏🥁🥁🥁🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦
I did not know that someone still makes a solid one ply maple shell, no doubt like the classic Slingerland Radio King shells. I have always been impressed at the ease in which I played one in 7th grade how much that student model "gave back" and made for effortless playing. hard to explain. I have also experienced that with a Ludwig 8.5"x 14" Black Beauty snare drum
More companies are popping up to come to the challenge! The companies I know that make solid ply snares, is Dunnett, Noble and Cooley, Brady, Canopus, Pearl, and I am sure I probably missed a couple other companies. Noble and Cooley have been making them for a while, as well as some of the other companies, but they can't match the advertising of the big name brands unfortunately.
@@Helixforce I’ve seen a ‘How It’s Made’ episode that featured GROVER PERCUSSION doing single ply steam bent shells.
@@robbasso893 Cool! Black swamp makes cool steamply as well, and lately I've been really interested in stave shells from Sugar Percussion, Cask Drum Co. and ply shells from Woods!
NOBLE & COOLEY invented this and they were the first ones doing it. They'r drums are above anything else.
@@Helixforce "Noble and Cooley" would not want to be described as "just popping up" they have been doing this since 1854.
Not a lot of "how" here. Still, a damn fine product. Just wish we would have seen more in the process.
There were some proprietary secrets that we weren't allowed to share, but suffice to say it is a LOT of work to make each drum!
totally agree! loads of talking and then when it gets interesting they cut the scene!! a shame!
I still recall when I heard Craviotto drums for the first time. Francis Filion from Moist, who was my drum instructor at Saint-Laurent college in Montreal - phenomenal rock player, as solid as the shells! - played it in a Janet Jackson tribute at the Montreal International Jazz Festival. I've heard a LOT of drums in my life... but this kit, I'll never forget. Nobody even came *close* to Francis's sound with the Craviotto. Not one of mile long legendary drummer line-up had a tone like this. By far the best drum tone I've heard in my life. Even Noble & Cooley - which I played - isn't as good as Craviotto IMHO.
Cannot believe in these comments that no one mentions Noble and Cooley! N&C have been making SS snare drums since the Civil War! They weren’t as refined back then as they became in the 1980’s, with a little help from some suggestions from a few friends who were inventors. But they were the ones who regenerated and arguably created the ‘modern’ day, SS snare drum revival! I own two and they are just as beautifully appointed and finished as the a Craviottos are. To me, they are very special because of the cache of history they hold, as the oldest drum maker in America, still run by family members of the creators of the company. Also, I noticed they can sound vintage and modern, all in one. They’re more open than Craviotto because only one part of the hardware makes contact with the Shell. On a Craviotto, two points of contact are made, on every single lug, so there is more focus and compression to the overall sound. As my friend puts it, we would rather tone a drum down and remove sound if we have to because you cannot create more resonance or sound, than a drum already has. You can tone them down but you can’t tone them up! They make their own hardware, throws, shells, pick their own wood as well, etc. And the fact that every board sounds different has NOTHING to do with the Craviotto company! It has to do with nature because every solid board of wood is different, even if more than one come from the same tree! Craviotto drums are nice but their hardware, throws, wires and etc., are made out of their house and in fact, I have heard they are made overseas! Disappointing for an American company that charges over a grand for a basic SS snare drum! They’re nice but overpriced, for sure and here’s something they won’t tell you-As every board sounds different, there are some snares that have that MOJO, something special that stands out and grabs attention and others or, typically, many of them that have ‘that’ sound and are pretty sterile and generic. The problem with that is, you need to try a few out to really find a special one. I have played some that were just like regular snare drums and nothing really stood out about them. This, however, is something that doesn’t just occur with Craviotto but also with all the other SS snare drums or, snare drums, in general. However, when you have such high expectations, pay all of that money, possibly specially ordering one and then not being satisfied could bum you out!
VERY WELL WRITTEN MY FRIEND.
That is because people are at times ignorant and don't really know what is good, let alone tell the difference.
As a reputable owner from a big drum store in the US said to me: Noble & Cooley are the best kept secret in the drum industry.
They ARE TRULY SPECIAL DRUMS for special drummers with true ears. Unique drummers and personalities.
In this thread you'll read only 3 or 4 people mentioning NC. The rest is just empty banter.
Just looking at the stem bending machine from Craviotto in this video compared to the 150 years steam oven from Noble & Cooley makes me cry and feel sorry for all of those who pay thousands for Craviotto drums.
If only they had the chance to hear and play a Noble & Cooley.
For build quality Yamaha drums made in China might be the best. I’ve heard there was a flood in Nashville and the drums in storage got destroyed and the drums that survived were the Yamahas.
I’ve bought my n&c new in in 89 still have it ❤
What model of wood lathe is he using i use one of them in broyhill I can't remember what model it is
SO UNIQUE AND SO CLASSY!!! 👍🏽👌🏽
unique? Have you heard on the Noble and cooley company and when they started doing this?
Any recommendation for making an old, warped shell circle again? Is there a quick n' dirty method? Thanks!
no, there isnt even a slow and expensive one.
How do you build a steamer box?
😎👍🇺🇸🥁DAVID!!!
The pinnacle of drum perfection!
One of the few true hand made drums left. As much as I like DW, their claim of “handcrafted since 1972” is BS. The only thing hands do there are glue the plies and push the buttons.
Craviotto are truly the masters of hand built shells. The sound (and price) attest to it.
Ross Gillis You should check out Noble and Cooley. They have been making Solid Shell snare drums since the Civil War, 1854, I believe. They steam oven they use has been around since the beginning of the company. Look on UA-cam to see N&C actually making them. By hand! They made everything by hand. They machine the hardware in house, the throw-offs, everything! They even hand polish all the hardware. Direct descendants of James Cooley, a founding member, still run the company. Look, Craviotto make nice drums! I’ve owned several but sold them. The hardware isn’t the greatest! That’s the sad part. It is made, overseas. The prices they charge, IMHO is what is a REAL disappointment! I have a 5x14, SS cherry and a 6x14, SS walnut. They are two of the nicest, if not the nicest snares I’ve ever owned. Craviotto USED to, totally finish the inside of their shells, very well. That has changed. They also sound a little different, since Johnny has passed. I don’t know why. Even the hardware is a little different!
Edward Peters II: You’re 100% correct, and have come to know and love N&C since making that comment.
I will say the prices are up there with other solid shell or boutique kits, but the fact that ALL of it is made here makes it worth it.
They’re truly deserving of all the respect we drummers give them.
Actually DW does a lot handwork themselfs too. And all the finishing, which Craviotto outsources.
MusiQsounds: The finished product, yes. But other than assembling the wood plies, the shells are built by machine.
That’s why I have an issue with their claim of “hand crafted”.
“Hand finished since 1972” would be more accurate.
They man the machines the same as Craviotto and many other builders do.
As long as it is not an automated process, it is still hand build.
I love craviotto 🥁
I love getting my wood steamed in a nice box
All Craviotto does is to copy and imitate Noble & Cooley.
Noble & Cooley is the best. Without a doubt.
The steam oven Noble & Cooley uses is 150 years old. NOTHING, NO ONE beats that.
Funny my old boss told me (the first time I saw a Craviotto snare)that they were made by boring out the center of one chunk of wood...I’ll admit I was intrigued by the story he was telling,But it did seem quite wasteful though I’m sure it happens more often than not....So it’s nice to know the facts,And I For one can appreciate the commitment especially holding up the tradition and standards of a man who wanted perfection,Sometimes those types of people were hard to be around as they tend to drive others crazy,as they seemed to even drive themselves crazy at times!!!My boss was a perfectionist who put really high standards on me(being his only employee at the time)and demanded perfection as he would promise the client an experience they would find nowhere else,Funny I was the guy delivering all that white glove service,while pulling full shows from the instruments to the full sound systems for entire production of large shows without forgetting one cable or so much as a guitar pick etc!!!Sorry for rambling,But your work is not going unnoticed!!!
Canopus zelkova are actually made that way
There's no question that the other "big-name" drum companies make beautiful, high-quality, great-sounding drums, but ultimately, their shells are really all just glorified plywood. Again, subjectively speaking, the other drum companies make equal or even better-sounding kits, and obviously, there's much more that goes into making a drum besides shell construction and material. But when you're up in that high-end, stratospheric price range there's definitely something extremely appealing and satisfying about knowing your $6K, $7K, or $8K+ drums aren't a bunch of thin sheets of wood and a half-gallon of glue all pressed together.
lol, you really talked yourself into the justification of you expensive purchase. ply drums were made to stay round and not need reinforment hoops.
*Now these aren’t your average packing peanuts, these are Renaissance era packing peanuts that really give quality to the shell and I think you can hear it in the drum*
....they don't show you the actual bending, and now I'm left wondering why!!!
Anyway, as a vintage Ludwig guy, owner and player myself I always feel a certain thrill when I see those re-rings on a shell.
I like to think this is the quality the Ludwig folks would pull out in their heydays, unless they had to deal with nightshifts and unfulfillable demand (sooner or later I'll get myself both some solid Ludwig and Ludwig shells and some 3ply WFL shells as well).
About solid shells, I can maybe see the sonic advantage of having 100% wooden shells and no glue at all or just the tiny little for the re-rings, but I'm also fond of the 3ply cross-grained construction coming from the earlier aviation days and even earlier from the Legionary Shield. As we got to know through History cross-grain shells gives more strength than solid shells, and yes I know, drums don't need to be THAT strong in fact, I only liked the idea... ;-)
noble and cooley will show you, they have been doing this since 1854.
When I imagined drums as solid shell, I envisioned hollowing out tree trunks, so they were seamless. lol.
its been done like that.
Picked up a snare drum and thought,
oh, so THIS is how you make a drum...
I’m privileged to have chatted with Johnny a few times.
I’m a drummer and believe me it’s all in the tuning,, my first kit cost 400 and my last kit cost me 3000,, is there any difference,,,yes! I’m a lot better drummer now.😉
Yes true but you must admit that playing on a great set professional quality allows you to play better and easier! At least this was my experience !
@@Goodboy0953 It’s always nice having professional gear, the main thing for me is the hardware, it’s nice when the snare throw-off works smoothly, when the cymbal stands don’t tip over and spin round, toms stay in place and are infinitely adjustable. As for fifteen ply’s of exotic wood and micro machined bearing edges, I’m not so sure? After all Bonham sounded amazing on drums that were, to all sense and purpose made of plastic.
I now want a craviotto snare.....
I love my DW Super Solid snare. The boys at DW essentially use the same process. It weighs a ton...I wonder what the toms and bass drums weigh on these Craviottos...
The DW Super Solid process is definitely NOT the same process!!! Take my word for it!!!
I have/ had been making "Solid" drum shells for about 25 years, but by solid I mean put 1/2 a tonne blank in a lathe and open it up to reveal the drums that were already made inside it, That all sounds very organic and new age doesnt it ? Its not. A kit comes from(usually) 2 blanks one 18" deep by 24/26" round and another 18" by 12" give or take a foot. prior to machining blanks must be "boiled" to reach plasticization to equallize internal tensions and then dried to an equalibrium moisture content to stabilize the structural integrity and prevent shrinkage and growth due to environmental factors. it takes a big chuck to grab a 1/2 tonne blank and turn it into a shell kit, by taking shells concentrically a uniformity of pattern and characteristics is shared throughout a kit although I never managed to cut shells in 1 inch increments 12,13,14,15,16 toms had to alternate between 2 blanks. as far as I see it the Craviotto drums Do use "Solid" stock just a differrent process (It would feel pretty Solid wraped round the back of Your head!) This process is more control able without the Crapshoot of spending months conditioning wood to open it up and find some trigger happy miscreant has peppered it with a shotgun or driven nails in it 30-40 years ago when the farmer hung a "no shooting" sign on the tree You are now trying to turn into a drum kit. when a drummer slings You a couple K for a nice fat 14x8x1 1/2"snare that wieghs 15 pound and barks like an A.K on heat it makes it all worth while. Im old loosing my eyes and Im going to stop this while Ive still got 10 digits, because Ive been playing drums for about 20years longer than Ive been making them and still do. this process used by Craviotto among others is the closest thing to solid and is repeatable and controllable with a predictable outcome guaranteeing You get what You ask for everytime and the visual appeal is stunning to boot.
These companies that market a "Steam-bent Solid Drum Shell" crack me up. It's either "Steam-bent" or "Solid." You can't have both. Steam bending takes a single piece of wood, applies hot steam to the wood that creates a sufficient amount of moisture that allows you to then bend that piece of wood around a form. So go ahead and then just stop right there with the process. Oh wait, YOU CAN'T. That pesky seam. There is a single seam with Stem-bent shells (usually a scarf joint). No matter how you HIDE that seam, it's still there. The only way to get a true "Solid" shell is if it is hewn from a log. That's right . . take a log, chop off a section, then gut the interior leaving a SOLID continuous shell with no seam.
and they put reinforment hoops in it.
Does Craviotto actually make their own metal hardware in house? Such as hoops, lugs, screws, throw offs, strainer, butt plate, etc...?
Doubt it. That drum throw off looks like the same one patented by Trick Drums
No, they do not! Only Noble and Cooley do that, of all the Solid Shell snare drums. I mean, family members of the original company, hand machine, polish and create the hardware, throws, wires, everything! They joked about how they were polishing their hardware, over dessert!
No. Only Noble & Cooley does that. Their shells are way better than Craviotto. Indeed, Craviotto copies a lot from Noble & Cooley.
@@drumtavoI own both, and honestly, I'd say the Craviotto shells and bearing edges are slightly better finished.
@@edwardpetersii6276Sadly, not any more. Since N&C were bought out, they're now sourcing much of the hardware from, yes, you guessed, China.
It is a sad time for a historic company.
It America. You get what you pay for. There's a reason these drums are so expensive and I hope they stay that way. The price itself, let alone the craftsmanship sets them apart from the others.
rip johnny
1:53 what sort of filthy person could leave his machines is such disgusting state?!
it would get like that in a day, they aren't going to pay a person for their time to clean it daily for no reason.
i thought Solid Shells are shells that have no joints in them. that's what would make the difference between that and a steam bent shell
Well as you've seen solid shells are what they are.
Solid one peice not multiple plies of cross laminated wood.
But if your thinking solid shell as one peice no joints then there are shell like that too but carved/milled out on a lathe from a solid block of wood.
But a hell of a waste in material.
yeah, thats right, this is a 1ply shell.
They look too retro( lugs,hoops). Not a fan of this 60s-70s designs. But except that, maybe they made great sounding kits!?
Nice drums
Ridiculously expensive
Ridiculous amount of work involved. 😉
Technically they're not solid shells, they're solid ply shells. A solid shell is hollowed out of a log, with no joints or seams, and no steam bending. They are nice drums however.
Hi! Thanks for watching. From what I've seen, a shell like this can go by different names, including "solid shell," "steam-bent," and others. Those hollowed-out log drums you mention are super cool, and super rare. Canopus makes one called Zelkova, and it's stunning (and really heavy!). You can see a demo of it at ua-cam.com/video/MdcUcrq2rfc/v-deo.html and there's a link in the description to a review.
@@DRUM solid shell means: No Plys are used.
treeeees
can i get one for free!!!?🙋🏻♂️
no
horseshit. A snare drum is a snare drum
Damn. Who hurt you?
clean me please
It's just wood man.
only $999,999.99 😫
Too much blah too little production process.
the more "blah" to more people paying for them invent the fairytale in there heads to justify the price