Main developer of The Portuguese Civ Mod here. I'm really glad to see my mod featured in one of your videos :) Great work! Also, while we are at it, a small and fun fact regarding those 'raider civs' on my mod: on the early days of PCM II, my original intention was to restore as much as possible the original 'raider civs' mechanic as much as possible: I had already added the kidnapping and 'raiding' for their scouts at PCM I, but I wanted to implement the other features as well (raider units as a secondary source of resources, starting with packed TC and etc.) In the end, I decided against it, and I ended up just adding an option to pack/unpack most buildings, since, besides of the fact that it would be hard to balance all of these features, I lacked building graphics for a raider set and implementing all of that would likely have turned the Tech Tree for those civs a mess 11
@@safuwanfauzi5014 Well, I don't plan to add any more civilizations or major gameplay features to PCM.... future patches will be mostly focused in fixing eventual bugs and balance issues ^^
Imagine a feature where every Halloween a scout can do this and the villager carcass has a certain food amount that can be collected from it. Plot twist: this feature exists, we just have to wait for Halloween to try it out.
As for the kidnapped wonder LoS bug, my bet is that the kidnapping function is meant to remove the vision provided by the unit from the owner, so that they don't see your scouts running away with villagers. But the wonder provides vision to everybody, including the scout owner. That vision is then dutifully removed, from everybody, creating a rather unexpected outcome
I believe, the game does the check that "recognizes that the wonder is no longer there" every frame, because technically, the wonder DOES still exist. As such, it removes the vision of that area every frame, which is, why you can sometimes see an area inside flash briefly but turn dark immediately after.
@@bitcoinfandom That's a bit deceiving don't you think? Yo is a master player by any standard but he doesn't win every match against every player every time.
@@xotl2780 Yes I agree, but it's still good that Viper isn't as strong anymore and that the competition might become much more fierce in the next few weeks. We might see lots of interesting games :)
@@mckenziecalhoun316 Oh is that how that was supposed to work? I thought that sounded kinda cool, and I was wondering what happened to axe the idea. :) Maybe if they left that feature, the Elite Mangudai wouldn't have gotten nerfed like it did: if you can actually get that far in the game, you deserve to have an OP unique unit. :) Woulda made random map games of two raider civs facing each other pretty tricky, though, if neither one can create villagers... :)
yeah. As long as you never release the villager, they never actually die. its the perfect ability for a pacifist 11 -although I don't know what the result screen has to say about this-
I heard about this but it is amazing that it's still in the game! Imagine if they actually implemented that, no villager would be safe... I bet pros could win games by stealing all enemy villagers
Could you imagine if Scouts could kidnap Castles? Basically nobody would create anything other than scouts and pikes, and just kidnap everything. Actually: kidnap the starting TC. GG...
Amazing! When you show that you can’t kidnap a house you didn’t drop off the villager first. So presumably it’s possible you couldn’t kidnap the house because the scout is ‘full’? I trust you that it won’t kidnap a house, but might have been a better demo to drop off the villager first... #dontkidnapmyhouse
Oh, I just didn't want to spend time going back and forth to the TC again. If you right click any "kidnappable" object while another is garrisoned, the garrisoned one is ejected.
T-West that’s fair... and gives me the idea that you could rearrange your opponents base during a raid. Trap in their army or houses all round their TC.
hey mr t west this was the loveliest video from you and in my personal opinion the realms mod and pcm3 mod is really underrated since i was 8 years old i did not know how to buy games and other things but i knew how to mod games idk how but now when i got the de version of aoe2 id love for the community to add these legendary mods again lots of love from egypt they conclude really special things and many of your favourite civs they both have really crazy combos and one of them is to pick saracens and indians let the saracens build wonder and the monks will get like +4 range 4x hp and can convert from range and every civ has a unique wonder bonus
Pretty interesting i see that De made the kidnap task work better in hd you used to not be able to turn the villager to your side without a trigger and if the kidnapper was still the line of sight of the player who had his vil kidnapped the vil could just be ungarrisoned. About how to kidnap just vils there should be down there in the genie editor a way to set the task to work only on a certain unit or class so you just need to set it to civilian,adding garrison space just prevents building from being kidnapped but military would be kidnapped if the task isnt set to work just on civilian units.
The reason behind the scout wonder bug probably comes from two things, the overlap of 'seen' on two things probably overbuffers the variable and it begins at 0 again, and it refreshes when you move from square to square
hey TWEST Congratulations for 10k subs. im waiting for 100k :D 5:10 3 months ago when i was playing one of campaign missions ( alaric's last mission if u want to know ) i used cobra car cheat code more than usual so some cobras garrisoned in main TC. when they were ungarrisoned and went for some fight i noticed that i lost sight of that TC and even all vills around it. i think that bug is similar to what you have mentioned in your video but not exactly the same of course.
I really like the idea of wonders giving huge individual bonuses to civs to grant them a use outside of wonder victory ofc you would not see it being used often in actual games but pulling it of would be really epic
Now, I'm not an expert for this game. I mean, I've hardly even played Raid Shadow Legends since I picked it up at BlockBuster for 9 rubles back during the Cold War. So many things have changed since then. However, I can firmly say that now you not only have to play those mods, but you must complete all campaigns, again, as a pacifist. This is the rule when it comes to mentioning something vaguely interesting in a UA-cam video when I'm too lazy to install myself. Unfortunate I know, but I don't make the vaguely written rules. I merely refuse to enforce them.
If I had to guess what was going on with the scout's line of sight after kidnapping the wonder, it might be that the wonder is "on top of" the scout, blocking their line of sight. It seems kidnapped units don't convert until you bring them back to your TC, so the wonder still belongs to the original player. I don't really understand why it didn't do it for the house, though. Maybe it's just with bigger buildings?
It's cool that the developers did try to create different ways to play each civ, but I'm glad that they ended up sticking with a standard template for each civ. Instead you can just use triggers to make all the unusual mechanics for a campaign scenario.
@@varunmanjunath9123 And yet Age 2 is the one that's considered a classic with a much larger player base and has been consistently played for 20 years. Doesn't sound like stagnation to me...
Hey T-West, since you seem interested in a mechanics of the game, I found a bug! If you convert a regular unit, the unit can't get any more upgrades from you or from your enemy, *but* if you convert a villager and order it build stuff, it will suddenly be considered a villager you made and get all your upgrades. I wonder if the Spanish could weaponize this.
Going to explain why this happens, to cut it short, basically when a villager is set on a task it becomes another unit, you see: gold miners, Lumberjack and normal vils are all from the same task swamp group what a task swamp group does is that when the unit cant do something (builder cant mine stone) it becomes another unit of the same task swamp group that can do said task (builder becomes stone miner to mine stone) so what happens upon using a converted villager that villager becomes a new unit pretty much so it loses all the upgrades you dont have etc.. Same concept applies to how T-West made the kidnapper scout if you converted one of these and sent it to fight or kidnap(depending on if he was in kidnapper mode or combat)you would get the same result of converting a farmer and sending it to mine gold it becomes a new unit to that task.
@@irtijaadib42069 yes, Celts - LoS - sheep. I get that (If that's what you meant). I meant literally kidnapping as originally planned by game developers.
@@T-West yeah, the devs have been quiet since last year trailer, and don't release to much information beside the cryptic "Some civs like the mongols will be played in a way that is different from the classic AOE gameplay" but in the Behind the scenes video they release if you have enough time to zoom and analyse the video frame by frame you can see some features, like -the mongolian house is a drop point for resources -stone is comming back as a resource, being 4 again like AoE 2 -there are some frames with gameplay from an assiatic looking CIV like the Chinese -you can see berry bushes and sheeps -and in some frames you can see what looks like some norse TC but the quality on the image is bad also, nice content, i love your channel and hope it's grow fast
The castle bug is strange but I guess it has something to do with the castle vision being applied before you kidnap, and then removed because the castle was not there causing an overlap of fog of war on the castles last visibility range
Nice ! I've been playing Portuguese Civ Mod(PCM) and Realms for long. Would it be possible to showcase some more features of PCM? It has evolved much and uses it's own version of UserPatch to implement them.
My guess about the disappearing visibility when kidnapping the wonder has something to do with the wonder's behavior of revealing its surroundings to everyone, but im not sure how exactly.
Or since it is centered on the scout and still exists while kidnapped, it could simply overcast scout's vision range by a virtue of being bigger than it
Not totally sure about what's happening with the wonder, but speculation, maybe it's cuz when the wonder is removed the game forcefully removes LOS you get onto the wonder from that area, to make sure that you won't have a random patch of LOS with nothing to do with anything? And because the wonder's current location changes to that of the scout's, it mistakenly removes the Scout's current LOS's area instead?
I assume the reason why yoinking the wonder turns the screen black has something to do with how wonders reveal the area around it for all players. For some reason, this seems to be reverted "a bit too much" when stealing the wonder, because the radius matches up. As of why that happens, I have absolutely no idea 1111
actually, I just had an idea. Maybe, the game checks, whether the wonder is still there and when not (i.e. it is destroyed), it then removes the vision. However, as the wonder still exists, the game keeps making that check but as the wonder is not on the map, the game doesn't actually find it, thinks is destroyed and removes the vision around the wonder placement every single frame. Just a theory though 11
I would love to see this wonder kidnapping behavior explored further. Can you kidnap gaia units, like gold piles, trees, shorefish? What about other scouts that have kidnapped something already, can you make a russian doll? What if you added it to a long range unit like an archer. Can you make it kidnap your own stuff? What if you kidnap a monastery with garrisoned relics while the relic victory countdown is active? Can you kidnap a king and convert it. Will it defeat the other player and give you an extra 'life'?
I'd like to see the kidnap feature added in, maybe as a Dark age or Feudal age tech for the scout Calvary (Eagle Warrior) lines of some civs: Mongols, Cumans, Tartars, Huns, Vikings, Celts(?), Goths(?), Aztecs, Mayans, Berbers, and Malians. But there are many things I'd like that I'm likely not to get, like AOE DE remade (AOE DE seems to get more broken every year) in the AOE II DE engine with the improvements AOE II brought to game play and controls, with new civs and campaigns.
Dude i'm pretty sure the scout bug happened to me on DE like a year ago ... Do you think it's possible ? It was on arena and i'm sure though it had nothing to do with killing a vill. I still think it has something to do with my hotkeys ( i spammed like crazy my idle vill hotkey (TAB) and somehow it started showing me the position of the enemy scout (not a pixel of explored map) i'll try to find the replay but i think it's gone with my old PC Keep up the good work
5:25, what if you delete the scout while it's running with the wonder? Also, if spamming right click works for units back in the good AoC days, can kidnapping work too? Like by spamming right click with a scout? Finally, can other units do kidnapping? like MAA and knights?
Not sure about deleting the Scout with the Wonder. The only way "kidnapping" worked was with the dying Villagers when right clicked by a Scout, it never worked with other units.
@@T-West , guess we have Cuman sans now in the game... oh boy this will give me nightmares. If you don't know, I have a huge issue with creepy/scary images. I will NOT sleep tonight. WHY AoE2 . WHY
I had that happen on me of the Saladin campaigns, I clicked the tc because I knew from one of spirits videos that it was an intended feature that was dropped. EDIT Would it work on the disk version though? That is the version I currently have, although I want to buy the steam, version soon. Also is there a best way to get age of empires 2 on my computer? Other than just going onto steam and clicking download?
Baron William ok but what about playing on twitch, discord or voobly also I do not know if you can actually play on those platforms except voobly, I have none of them. T90 said that to play voobly you get the compatibility patch free for the version you got off steam.
T-West if I get the free compatibility patch for the disk then I can play the disk version on voobly right? But can I play the version w Tatar’s and cumins and Malay and Khmer and all those other civs I have never played, or to do that do I have to download the game of steam?
@@T-West I don't know exactly what I did wrong the first time, but now it can kidnap buildings. I think I gave it some extra task since I was adding it to my existing mod.
Are there ways you can limit this ability? Like only being able to kidnap people below a certain health threshold or the kidnapping taking a few seconds like monks?
If converted, the Villager should remain garrisoned inside of the Scout. I think the player who converts the Scout can return it to their TC now. The Villager can also be ejected by right-clicking the Scout on another Villager. When I tested deleting the Scout, the unit it was carrying died with it.
@@T-West Yeah the document is attached to an alpha version of the game. There are at least 3 alpha version on the web but, at least on the surface, the only thing about the raider civs that made past the planning phase was the kidnap mechanic. At least when playing those versions the raiders are totally devoid of everything unique and in later versions they are just regular civs.
Man, your content is great! I was wondering if you could analyze at some point popular Age of Empires mods, such as Chivalry, Realms or PCM, since I've never seen these being covered by anyone, they are such good mods, and I think they would an interesting thing to watch. May Pacifism be with you. :)
@T-West : Was there a way to ungarrison the kidnapped unit elsewhere than in the TC? And what happen if you ungarrison something like the wonder at the TC, but there are farm or house, so not enough place for it?
Waiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit! The KIDNAP Bug is PERFECT for avoiding to kill Kushluk or the two guys (who canonically are not dead since it's a tournament not to the death) El Cid fights! We have found a loophole, ladies and gents: They were kidnapped the whole time!
You could do a Carmen San Diego mod. You start with a female villager capable of stealing a wonder. There's only one wonder on the map. Whomever controls it for long enough wins.
The worst part about the camel bug is that it was actually introduced later. Age of Kings didn't have that problem. Then it was either deliberately or accidentally placed into Age of Conquerors, and stayed that way until African Kingdoms. If you owned the 2013 release Forgotten Kingdoms and played Indians, you'd have to wait and then buy African Kingdoms before your Imperial Camels stopped taking bonus damage from towers and castles.
@@r_rajkarnikar Don't feel too bad for them peasants. We gave 'em trees to chop, rocks to pick, farms to work, and 50 food each. S'all a serf requires. Besides if you're anything like me over the course of your AoE2 games you've probably killed like 500,000 of them.
@@majdavlk649 Good question. I would say dark and feudal age for enemy or only dark age for the player. So there is a incentive for the players to rush or stay low to max out the stakes.
Here's the AoEZone post: www.aoezone.net/threads/masters-of-arabia-finals-rvk-kiss_bb-vs-tyrant-theviper.76139/ I watched the rec a few years ago: ua-cam.com/video/KmsvnpbaRuY/v-deo.html I think there's also an old cast on ZeroEmpire's channel, but I didn't see the video after a quick search.
You know...you can kidnap castles/krepost/monasteries/barracks/archery/stable/siege workshop with full capacity units inside of these buildings...the monasteries with the enemy's relics...so funny...I haven't used the scout...i've used the VMDL unit since it was faster...i set the diplomacy to 7 so that i was able to take my own castle full with units and deposit next to enemy...or move my ally building out of the way...in case he blocks my TC or his market is to clogged due to being in his center of the town...so funny...
too bad this was cut out, it would be op to demolish some players in the early game, perfect perk for cheese but imo this is exactly the weakness of AOE different fractions dont differ significantly, just some numbers tweaked here and there and some unique units... While in games like starcraft you dont have 150 options but 3 races and each is completely different and unique...
Main developer of The Portuguese Civ Mod here. I'm really glad to see my mod featured in one of your videos :) Great work!
Also, while we are at it, a small and fun fact regarding those 'raider civs' on my mod: on the early days of PCM II, my original intention was to restore as much as possible the original 'raider civs' mechanic as much as possible: I had already added the kidnapping and 'raiding' for their scouts at PCM I, but I wanted to implement the other features as well (raider units as a secondary source of resources, starting with packed TC and etc.)
In the end, I decided against it, and I ended up just adding an option to pack/unpack most buildings, since, besides of the fact that it would be hard to balance all of these features, I lacked building graphics for a raider set and implementing all of that would likely have turned the Tech Tree for those civs a mess 11
Thanks for the mod! It has tons of really interesting mechanics and shows off lots of different features that are possible in the engine! :)
@@T-West Thanks for the kind words ^^ I'm really glad you enjoyed the mod!
@@danielrodriguesaoe Did you think, Polynesian can be add as next AoEII civilization? Dutch, Tonga, Maori and Hawaiian
@@safuwanfauzi5014 Well, I don't plan to add any more civilizations or major gameplay features to PCM.... future patches will be mostly focused in fixing eventual bugs and balance issues ^^
I'd be the most pissed off I have ever been if an enemy scout stole my wonder and brought it back to his base.
The scout bringing home a dead villager is the new form of a cat bringing home a dead mouse.
Imagine a feature where every Halloween a scout can do this and the villager carcass has a certain food amount that can be collected from it. Plot twist: this feature exists, we just have to wait for Halloween to try it out.
I miss that young Viper who refused to wall.
Walls walls, no balls.
The competition is too strong to play like that anymore
now he quickwall just as much as he breath :V
gg well walled
theViper resigned
As for the kidnapped wonder LoS bug, my bet is that the kidnapping function is meant to remove the vision provided by the unit from the owner, so that they don't see your scouts running away with villagers. But the wonder provides vision to everybody, including the scout owner. That vision is then dutifully removed, from everybody, creating a rather unexpected outcome
I believe, the game does the check that "recognizes that the wonder is no longer there" every frame, because technically, the wonder DOES still exist. As such, it removes the vision of that area every frame, which is, why you can sometimes see an area inside flash briefly but turn dark immediately after.
"gg well walled"
Viper is definitely on his final form now.
Be careful. If you say it like that, it'll be all downhill from here.
@@xotl2780 Did you see how Yo completely swept him? I think downhil aready started. But that's good for the competitive scene.
@@bitcoinfandom That's a bit deceiving don't you think? Yo is a master player by any standard but he doesn't win every match against every player every time.
@@xotl2780 Yes I agree, but it's still good that Viper isn't as strong anymore and that the competition might become much more fierce in the next few weeks. We might see lots of interesting games :)
I do believe viper wasn't well in this match set?
"I am a Villager trapped in a Scout Cavalry's body."
-Unknown Generic Villager
6:32 (watch the scout to the left)
That Scout is kidnapping in style.
@@T-West I think MJ secretly plays aoe2 de on a random island meaning he s alive and that s the only proof we have of him being alive
Enemy scout steals my house:
Me: can't have shit in Detroit 😔
Imagine spending 50 food for a villager and the starting scout just yoinks them
well the idea was that raider civs couldn't make their own villagers
@@mckenziecalhoun316 which never would have worked. But many if they made villagers at a slower rate
@@icecoldchilipreppers I think they'll do that in aoe4, they hinted at it when they announced it
@@mckenziecalhoun316 Oh is that how that was supposed to work? I thought that sounded kinda cool, and I was wondering what happened to axe the idea. :) Maybe if they left that feature, the Elite Mangudai wouldn't have gotten nerfed like it did: if you can actually get that far in the game, you deserve to have an OP unique unit. :) Woulda made random map games of two raider civs facing each other pretty tricky, though, if neither one can create villagers... :)
@@c182SkylaneRG The problem are water maps
That Hera onager shot was absolutely brutal :D
as a necrophiliac, i'm glad to see representation of our community in aoe2. really proud of the devs
No one is dead as far as they're still alive in your heart.
@@rodrigomejia953 Or, in your scout.
Scout: There's a Dead Man Inside of Me!
Heavy Metal Fans: :')
Hahahha
😂😂😂
that gives an entirely new meaning to the term "dead inside"
6:32 moonwalking scout on the left hand side
ty DE
omg wow, that horse has some moves... xD
Frankly it's unbalanced having the kidnap ability lol. Also it will be funny to see the wallace tutorial campaign teaching players how to kidnap
As a " PaCiFiSt " mongolian raider i can finally rest easy
yeah. As long as you never release the villager, they never actually die. its the perfect ability for a pacifist 11
-although I don't know what the result screen has to say about this-
I heard about this but it is amazing that it's still in the game! Imagine if they actually implemented that, no villager would be safe...
I bet pros could win games by stealing all enemy villagers
@Emperor AlHasan Fun to think about, but they're not going to change the game that drastically at this point. People would flip their shit.
Its easy to stop, build houses around as walls or palisades and they can't get inside to steal your shit
""The Scout may die due to the castle fire""
""Nevermind it just Kidnapped the Castle"" 11
Could you imagine if Scouts could kidnap Castles? Basically nobody would create anything other than scouts and pikes, and just kidnap everything. Actually: kidnap the starting TC. GG...
Kidnap the scout with your scout.
Reall GG.
Obviously, wonder is too big for the scout to both carry it and see anything.
Ok, this is both accurate and hilarious.
Amazing!
When you show that you can’t kidnap a house you didn’t drop off the villager first. So presumably it’s possible you couldn’t kidnap the house because the scout is ‘full’?
I trust you that it won’t kidnap a house, but might have been a better demo to drop off the villager first... #dontkidnapmyhouse
Oh, I just didn't want to spend time going back and forth to the TC again. If you right click any "kidnappable" object while another is garrisoned, the garrisoned one is ejected.
T-West that’s fair... and gives me the idea that you could rearrange your opponents base during a raid. Trap in their army or houses all round their TC.
hey mr t west this was the loveliest video from you and in my personal opinion the realms mod and pcm3 mod is really underrated since i was 8 years old i did not know how to buy games and other things but i knew how to mod games idk how but now when i got the de version of aoe2 id love for the community to add these legendary mods again lots of love from egypt
they conclude really special things and many of your favourite civs they both have really crazy combos and one of them is to pick saracens and indians let the saracens build wonder
and the monks will get like +4 range 4x hp and can convert from range and every civ has a unique wonder bonus
I love your videos so much, it hurts me seeing them with less views than they deserve
I want to see more videos about kidnapping wonders and houses.
Pretty interesting i see that De made the kidnap task work better in hd you used to not be able to turn the villager to your side without a trigger and if the kidnapper was still the line of sight of the player who had his vil kidnapped the vil could just be ungarrisoned. About how to kidnap just vils there should be down there in the genie editor a way to set the task to work only on a certain unit or class so you just need to set it to civilian,adding garrison space just prevents building from being kidnapped but military would be kidnapped if the task isnt set to work just on civilian units.
coming home from 13h work on a Friday and enjoy great content, thank you T-West
The reason behind the scout wonder bug probably comes from two things, the overlap of 'seen' on two things probably overbuffers the variable and it begins at 0 again, and it refreshes when you move from square to square
hey TWEST Congratulations for 10k subs. im waiting for 100k :D
5:10 3 months ago when i was playing one of campaign missions ( alaric's last mission if u want to know ) i used cobra car cheat code more than usual so some cobras garrisoned in main TC. when they were ungarrisoned and went for some fight i noticed that i lost sight of that TC and even all vills around it.
i think that bug is similar to what you have mentioned in your video but not exactly the same of course.
A litle over a minute in and you have earned a like, just by hearing a villager is garrisoned within a scout, and his also dead
Ah the Realms mod... that brings me back. I really wish they ported it over to DE because that was a fantastic mod for playing around in the editor.
Great work as always!
I really like the idea of wonders giving huge individual bonuses to civs to grant them a use outside of wonder victory
ofc you would not see it being used often in actual games but pulling it of would be really epic
Now, I'm not an expert for this game. I mean, I've hardly even played Raid Shadow Legends since I picked it up at BlockBuster for 9 rubles back during the Cold War. So many things have changed since then. However, I can firmly say that now you not only have to play those mods, but you must complete all campaigns, again, as a pacifist. This is the rule when it comes to mentioning something vaguely interesting in a UA-cam video when I'm too lazy to install myself. Unfortunate I know, but I don't make the vaguely written rules. I merely refuse to enforce them.
If I had to guess what was going on with the scout's line of sight after kidnapping the wonder, it might be that the wonder is "on top of" the scout, blocking their line of sight. It seems kidnapped units don't convert until you bring them back to your TC, so the wonder still belongs to the original player. I don't really understand why it didn't do it for the house, though. Maybe it's just with bigger buildings?
Man, now we want to see a Pacifism Run using the Kidnap Bug!
It's cool that the developers did try to create different ways to play each civ, but I'm glad that they ended up sticking with a standard template for each civ. Instead you can just use triggers to make all the unusual mechanics for a campaign scenario.
I disagree with your opinion. In my perspective, this is what makes AoE2 a bit too stagnant... when compared to AoE3. Hmmmm...
@@varunmanjunath9123 And yet Age 2 is the one that's considered a classic with a much larger player base and has been consistently played for 20 years. Doesn't sound like stagnation to me...
@@michaeltaylor8698 Yep, I think it's the inertia mixed with nostalgia.
Hey T-West, since you seem interested in a mechanics of the game, I found a bug! If you convert a regular unit, the unit can't get any more upgrades from you or from your enemy, *but* if you convert a villager and order it build stuff, it will suddenly be considered a villager you made and get all your upgrades. I wonder if the Spanish could weaponize this.
Going to explain why this happens, to cut it short, basically when a villager is set on a task it becomes another unit, you see: gold miners, Lumberjack and normal vils are all from the same task swamp group what a task swamp group does is that when the unit cant do something (builder cant mine stone) it becomes another unit of the same task swamp group that can do said task (builder becomes stone miner to mine stone) so what happens upon using a converted villager that villager becomes a new unit pretty much so it loses all the upgrades you dont have etc..
Same concept applies to how T-West made the kidnapper scout if you converted one of these and sent it to fight or kidnap(depending on if he was in kidnapper mode or combat)you would get the same result of converting a farmer and sending it to mine gold it becomes a new unit to that task.
@@pietromorelli5098 It is as you said and I thought it would be something like that, but I didn't want to jump to conclusions.
I died laughing when that scout 'kidnapped' the whole house, and then the whole wonder🤣
Careful with your laughter cuz for a second there you're still susceptible to kidnapping
@@jefffinkbonner9551 lol XD
that`s wonderful
rip
I think, may be, kidnapping sheep would have been a cool feature for some special civilizations.
You're either joking or you are not aware of a certain civ bonus
@Emre Vural but paladins in imp right?
@@irtijaadib42069 yes, Celts - LoS - sheep. I get that (If that's what you meant). I meant literally kidnapping as originally planned by game developers.
Man this just blew my mind. Where were u hidden, the gem.
do you think we may see this feature with the mongols in AOE 4?
No idea about Aoe4, I haven't heard anything about it beyond the trailers.
It could be considering that civs like Mongols are meant to play differently from how a generic civ would be played
@@T-West yeah, the devs have been quiet since last year trailer, and don't release to much information beside the cryptic "Some civs like the mongols will be played in a way that is different from the classic AOE gameplay"
but in the Behind the scenes video they release if you have enough time to zoom and analyse the video frame by frame you can see some features, like
-the mongolian house is a drop point for resources
-stone is comming back as a resource, being 4 again like AoE 2
-there are some frames with gameplay from an assiatic looking CIV like the Chinese
-you can see berry bushes and sheeps
-and in some frames you can see what looks like some norse TC but the quality on the image is bad
also, nice content, i love your channel and hope it's grow fast
It certainly makes me think twice about not walling
Another great video!
The castle bug is strange but I guess it has something to do with the castle vision being applied before you kidnap, and then removed because the castle was not there causing an overlap of fog of war on the castles last visibility range
Kidnapping a wonder. How wonderful. No wonder it casts a "shadow" over the the scout.
Gg well walled
Doesn't even have a mill hoykey
Nice ! I've been playing Portuguese Civ Mod(PCM) and Realms for long. Would it be possible to showcase some more features of PCM? It has evolved much and uses it's own version of UserPatch to implement them.
I might play some games on it at some point.
My guess about the disappearing visibility when kidnapping the wonder has something to do with the wonder's behavior of revealing its surroundings to everyone, but im not sure how exactly.
Or since it is centered on the scout and still exists while kidnapped, it could simply overcast scout's vision range by a virtue of being bigger than it
@@jehovasabettor9080 The fog doesn't move with the scout, so I don't think the scout has anything to do with it.
Not totally sure about what's happening with the wonder, but speculation, maybe it's cuz when the wonder is removed the game forcefully removes LOS you get onto the wonder from that area, to make sure that you won't have a random patch of LOS with nothing to do with anything?
And because the wonder's current location changes to that of the scout's, it mistakenly removes the Scout's current LOS's area instead?
4:50 *anti piracy commercial starts playing* - You don't steal a house
I love how a lot of AOE bugs end up becoming mods.
hera's famous mango shot at the start of the video
I assume the reason why yoinking the wonder turns the screen black has something to do with how wonders reveal the area around it for all players. For some reason, this seems to be reverted "a bit too much" when stealing the wonder, because the radius matches up. As of why that happens, I have absolutely no idea 1111
actually, I just had an idea. Maybe, the game checks, whether the wonder is still there and when not (i.e. it is destroyed), it then removes the vision. However, as the wonder still exists, the game keeps making that check but as the wonder is not on the map, the game doesn't actually find it, thinks is destroyed and removes the vision around the wonder placement every single frame. Just a theory though 11
I would love to see this wonder kidnapping behavior explored further. Can you kidnap gaia units, like gold piles, trees, shorefish? What about other scouts that have kidnapped something already, can you make a russian doll? What if you added it to a long range unit like an archer. Can you make it kidnap your own stuff? What if you kidnap a monastery with garrisoned relics while the relic victory countdown is active? Can you kidnap a king and convert it. Will it defeat the other player and give you an extra 'life'?
OMG THAT PLUMED ARCHERS INTROO
OMGGGG
I'd like to see the kidnap feature added in, maybe as a Dark age or Feudal age tech for the scout Calvary (Eagle Warrior) lines of some civs: Mongols, Cumans, Tartars, Huns, Vikings, Celts(?), Goths(?), Aztecs, Mayans, Berbers, and Malians. But there are many things I'd like that I'm likely not to get, like AOE DE remade (AOE DE seems to get more broken every year) in the AOE II DE engine with the improvements AOE II brought to game play and controls, with new civs and campaigns.
I know the video is 4 months old, but did you ever figure out what was up with the weird vision when the scout steals a wonder...?
No idea what happened there 11
Dude i'm pretty sure the scout bug happened to me on DE like a year ago ... Do you think it's possible ?
It was on arena and i'm sure though it had nothing to do with killing a vill. I still think it has something to do with my hotkeys ( i spammed like crazy my idle vill hotkey (TAB) and somehow it started showing me the position of the enemy scout (not a pixel of explored map)
i'll try to find the replay but i think it's gone with my old PC
Keep up the good work
Men, yours videos are great
5:25, what if you delete the scout while it's running with the wonder? Also, if spamming right click works for units back in the good AoC days, can kidnapping work too? Like by spamming right click with a scout? Finally, can other units do kidnapping? like MAA and knights?
Not sure about deleting the Scout with the Wonder. The only way "kidnapping" worked was with the dying Villagers when right clicked by a Scout, it never worked with other units.
@@T-West , UwU, sad noises. Also, Khmer really needs another buff.
@@T-West , I need your help, why would the Age team think this is something that you should have as a profile picture?
@@T-West , guess we have Cuman sans now in the game... oh boy this will give me nightmares. If you don't know, I have a huge issue with creepy/scary images. I will NOT sleep tonight. WHY AoE2 . WHY
A nice left over from the time where they planned on having Raider civs
That intro, isn't that Heras pluums getting wrekt?
1, but it's Hera's "wrekting" Plumes, not getting wrekt.
Try combining this with the Town Center revival strat!
Was hoping you would put a mod on the workshop where you can still kidnap anything.
I love you
6:21 Dude that is metal
Kidnapping wonder could have been historically accurate civ bonus for Britons 11
I had that happen on me of the Saladin campaigns, I clicked the tc because I knew from one of spirits videos that it was an intended feature that was dropped.
EDIT Would it work on the disk version though? That is the version I currently have, although I want to buy the steam, version soon. Also is there a best way to get age of empires 2 on my computer? Other than just going onto steam and clicking download?
To play on steam you have to download from steam for it to register as being in your library and thus make it playable
Baron William ok but what about playing on twitch, discord or voobly also I do not know if you can actually play on those platforms except voobly, I have none of them. T90 said that to play voobly you get the compatibility patch free for the version you got off steam.
To play on Voobly you need either to own the original CDs or the HD Edition on Steam (and install the compatibility patch for the HD Edition).
T-West if I get the free compatibility patch for the disk then I can play the disk version on voobly right? But can I play the version w Tatar’s and cumins and Malay and Khmer and all those other civs I have never played, or to do that do I have to download the game of steam?
@@robdaconquerer4125 not sure if there's manual patch but u will definitely need a patch for the civs after conquerers' expansion
Awesome video :)
who designed this giant Sword for this light Scout Unit like you see in the Thumbnail...
What happens when you attack a Gaia Unit like a Boar?
With the working version of the mod, you attack it like normal. With the "broken" version, you kidnap it, but it stays Gaia after reaching the TC.
@@T-West So very effective lameing?
I was unable to kidnap buildings when I attempted to make my scout have kidnap ability - it can just kidnap villagers...
I'm not sure if DE made any changes to the kidnap system since I first released this video.
@@T-West I don't know exactly what I did wrong the first time, but now it can kidnap buildings. I think I gave it some extra task since I was adding it to my existing mod.
I did this glitch on accident. The funny thing is I saw this video before that occurred.
If you were to garrison the scout in a building would the villager heal up?
Not sure, never tried.
Is that supposed to be AOE or Cossacks ?
AoE :)
Are there ways you can limit this ability? Like only being able to kidnap people below a certain health threshold or the kidnapping taking a few seconds like monks?
I don't think it can be customized.
Great video! What would happen if the scout carrying the villager dies / is converted?
If converted, the Villager should remain garrisoned inside of the Scout. I think the player who converts the Scout can return it to their TC now.
The Villager can also be ejected by right-clicking the Scout on another Villager.
When I tested deleting the Scout, the unit it was carrying died with it.
I bet the scout can't see because the wonder is multiple squares and blocks his LOS?
But can you kidnap a dead villager, and unload it directly into TC in order for it to regenerate health? People want to know!
I wonder how far they got with the raider civs idea.
If you hunt around on the interwebs for their early design documents, they have a pretty detailed description of the concept.
@@T-West Yeah the document is attached to an alpha version of the game. There are at least 3 alpha version on the web but, at least on the surface, the only thing about the raider civs that made past the planning phase was the kidnap mechanic. At least when playing those versions the raiders are totally devoid of everything unique and in later versions they are just regular civs.
Does kidnap count as a kill? Did the villager die as a kill or did the kidnap take place before the kill?
Not sure, I'll have to check the stats again.
Man, your content is great! I was wondering if you could analyze at some point popular Age of Empires mods, such as Chivalry, Realms or PCM, since I've never seen these being covered by anyone, they are such good mods, and I think they would an interesting thing to watch.
May Pacifism be with you. :)
I'd like to play a few games with them at some point.
Does the kidnapped vill counts as a lost unit for the kidnapper (converted) and could this bug be used in a pazifist campaign
Oh, not sure, I'll have to check.
@T-West : Was there a way to ungarrison the kidnapped unit elsewhere than in the TC? And what happen if you ungarrison something like the wonder at the TC, but there are farm or house, so not enough place for it?
The kidnapped Vils could ungarrison only at the TC. Not sure about the Wonder, I didn't test that too much 11.
Waiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit! The KIDNAP Bug is PERFECT for avoiding to kill Kushluk or the two guys (who canonically are not dead since it's a tournament not to the death) El Cid fights! We have found a loophole, ladies and gents: They were kidnapped the whole time!
You could do a Carmen San Diego mod. You start with a female villager capable of stealing a wonder. There's only one wonder on the map. Whomever controls it for long enough wins.
Woah! Will you ever make a video about the mod "Age Of Chivalry: Hegemony"? That'd be great!
I might play a couple of games on it or some other mods at some point.
Good Shtuff.
Still not as weird as camels being boats and kings running as fast as horses
The worst part about the camel bug is that it was actually introduced later. Age of Kings didn't have that problem. Then it was either deliberately or accidentally placed into Age of Conquerors, and stayed that way until African Kingdoms. If you owned the 2013 release Forgotten Kingdoms and played Indians, you'd have to wait and then buy African Kingdoms before your Imperial Camels stopped taking bonus damage from towers and castles.
Siege towers should be able to kidnap vils. Instantly useful now ;-)
This happened to me recently
Sounds like slavery with extra steps? 😬😬
Nah. It's just regular slavery. Regular slavery has a lot of steps.
@@xotl2780 poor villagers. :(
@@r_rajkarnikar Don't feel too bad for them peasants. We gave 'em trees to chop, rocks to pick, farms to work, and 50 food each. S'all a serf requires.
Besides if you're anything like me over the course of your AoE2 games you've probably killed like 500,000 of them.
Well, that's what the unit is in the Realms mod.
@@xotl2780 But they died with freedom! 😭
Raiding? That just sounds like slavery with extra steps.
Actually would be cool to see the intended feature in the actual game. But Only in the dark age, max. in feudal age.
for kidnaper or the enemy ?
@@majdavlk649 Good question. I would say dark and feudal age for enemy or only dark age for the player. So there is a incentive for the players to rush or stay low to max out the stakes.
That's a creepy bug I tell you what
you make very good video , high quality and all , but please change your mic , it crackle
Lol kidnapping buildings is awesome
anyone has the link to the gg well walled game? id love to see it 11
Here's the AoEZone post: www.aoezone.net/threads/masters-of-arabia-finals-rvk-kiss_bb-vs-tyrant-theviper.76139/
I watched the rec a few years ago: ua-cam.com/video/KmsvnpbaRuY/v-deo.html
I think there's also an old cast on ZeroEmpire's channel, but I didn't see the video after a quick search.
Hahahaah that is the most funny mod-ification...kidnap houses or dead villagers...oh my...i couldn't stop laughing
You know...you can kidnap castles/krepost/monasteries/barracks/archery/stable/siege workshop with full capacity units inside of these buildings...the monasteries with the enemy's relics...so funny...I haven't used the scout...i've used the VMDL unit since it was faster...i set the diplomacy to 7 so that i was able to take my own castle full with units and deposit next to enemy...or move my ally building out of the way...in case he blocks my TC or his market is to clogged due to being in his center of the town...so funny...
too bad this was cut out, it would be op to demolish some players in the early game, perfect perk for cheese
but imo this is exactly the weakness of AOE different fractions dont differ significantly, just some numbers tweaked here and there and some unique units...
While in games like starcraft you dont have 150 options but 3 races and each is completely different and unique...
lol, ofc we want to know more, who do you think we are?!