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This is a bloody good example of the difference between claimed performance and actual driving. According to the numbers it's no contest, on the road it's a completely different story.
This just goes to show how good Honda engineering is. To get that kind of performance out of a 4 cylinder is amazing. Ain't VTEC great?
own a s2000 and drove the civic r, is a great car. honda rules.
even better with boost :-P
Power of dreams Honda is the best
I think Type-Rs are so appealing because of how much bang for the buck they are. I'm not just talking about speed and lap times, but the noises, the feels, the sense that you're driving a great piece of Honda engineering.
Wellll the R8 has about 300hp over the type R!! I would hope in a stretch it would loose the type R atleast a lil lol... Theres nothing better than Honda Power.. that type R its sick
At the end of the day, theres hardly any any car companies that can mix performance with total reliability. Honda can, Audi, VW, BMW etc cannot. Simple. Yes we all like to drive a R8 but people need to get real. Hondas are a great and sensible choice. Those who can afford 400-600 quid servicing bills from BMW need their brains testing.
Honda are one of the most reliable car manufacture in the world...
Oh sorry I thought you said Honda can't haha
Well, that comment is nonsense.
At the end of the day, you want the R8.
What is it about Honda's that make you guys so emotional...
The reason why the Mugen is expensive beacause....They are rare. Not many of them are built when ever they build them. Its a Honda yeah....But its been through Mugen tuner hands and makes it from a production car to very very limited run build....Its common sense people.
Alright, but its still way overpriced imho. Whats a base si cost? 24k or somewhere around there? Asain manufactuers are just flipped haha, like the lfa, 450k?! I mean really???
People still buy them. Like Cadillac...They actually suck as a sports car. Like not a opinion they just really do. But people still think their great and buy them. Nismo 400R only 44 made go for over 100k a car.
ross burton They are limited edition collectibles. The prices on them will not drop only get higher. And Toyota actually loses money each time an LFA was built.
Marcello Wheeler Yes the LFA looses money every time its sold, this is due to toyota completely scrapping a fully designed car, they were not satisfied, twice! the LFA entered the market having to cover the production costs of three separate and unique supercars attached to it. no car could be profitable in this scenario, in conclusion, a lot of respect to Toyota for building the car they wanted rather than a car that would make them money.
ross burton
Toyota as a company simply do not run on the basis of the production of IFA's. It is a simple advertisement for their engineering standard.
Yes, yes, yes.
I regularly push 911 GT3s (strange wave of those around my area) and non-turbos to actually work hard. Turbos all seem to be heavily modified...they see me in the mirror and well BOOST kicks in and they walk me like I'm standing still.
I love it. I love that guys with such fantastic cars both par taking with me. Keep it up my fellow car guys!
I do not drive Honda nor Audi. I have a C36. But my wife has an Audi A4 and my daughter a Civic with a VTECH engine. God only know how many times the Audi had to be taken to the dealer for some reason or anther. Even the electric window winders had to be all changed apart from the weird number of ball joints at the front which failed from time to time. The Civic ..Never Never Never. It is dam reliable apart from that the engine pulls the car so easily, its like being free to go and accelerate anytime, any speed, anywhere. Honda remain the most advanced engines and without compromising reliability. In this comparison you have a standard Honda 2000 cc Engine 4 cylinder no turbo £30K and amazingly this Honda 4 cylinder can easily keep up with an Audi 5000 cc (more than double the capacity) and 10, yes it need 10 cylinders and £100K. So can you imagine what Honda or Mercedes can give you for 100,000. That audi Is a rip off to me.
Jm Bh 100,000 old mercedes is same shit as audi , hm maybe better but i can clearly see you are mercedes fan .
COSECCO Hi, hope you are well. I was not a Mercedes man. From age 21 till age 50, I always believed in Alfa Romeo. My first car an Alfasud 1.5ti with autodelta race kit (webbers and cam) which I raced. But at age 50 I needed a diesel car to do loads of miles overland and I was told to buy a second hand 190 Diesel which I did. This car proved to be dam reliable, extremely confortable and absorbs the bumps incredibly well and the road holding since I do not drive slow is not just excellent but extremely predictable and incredibly good. After 5 years we all could see that all our new cars which we garage every night too, had problems and had to be taken in from time t time. The Mercedes was always left outside, it started every day with out fail and never needed anything nothwitstanding the miles which I used to do. The C class which I bought after this was bullet proof too but the steering box was gone and rack and pinion took over instead which I changed after 122,000 on the C Class. The 190 still goes with all original parts and it has 189,000 miles now,
oh okay . i did not asked you for this but thank you for describing me the old Mercedes C class . I belive it extremly reilable car . i remember i saw a post where they were showing the top 10 cars with over 100 000 km and few mercedeses were on the top but few audis aswell . maybe it just counts for the 2005-2010 audis
Jm Bh ,i won't buy another Audi for the rest of my life . i had all kind of problems with my Audi SUV. Thanks, to the maker of Vtec ,i have an MDX for almost 3 years ,no brakes, steering ,powertrain and sensors problems.I just change motor oil every time my oil life shows 10%.German vehicles are extremely unreliable
lloyd Y Benwa I agree 100%. If you want reliability there is no doubt in my mind that Japanese are the most reliable. We bought Toyota Yaris as company cars. They are dam reliable and they have all the conveniences, you name it, they have it. Honda & Toyota are exceptionally reliable.
That road looks like it's incredibly fun to drive on.
Fantastic sound coming out if the Civic, brilliant car!!
I'd love to own that Civic Mugen Type R. It seems like such a fun car to drive. I used to own a modded R34 V Spec GTR with almost 500hp at the wheels and while it was really fast and beat everything on the road, I later learned that I enjoyed more simple cars. I now own a Lotus Elise and it's not the fastest car on the road, but it's so enjoyable to blast around in. I have more fun in it than the GTR.
"This is a public road. We're being ultimately sensible here." Well if you're not going to go over the speed limit, how do you expect one car to ever lose the other?..
Big brain time.
All cars that most of us would have a hard time paying for. I personally like the sound of hi-revving 4 bangers. Honda's VTEC engines all have that signature sound when the switchover happens, especially in the early VTEC engines. It's like you hit that certain rev, a banshee awakes in the cams, and that tach needle screams all the way to the redline. To me, that's a thrill that becomes addicting. Don't get me wrong, I like a big V8 rumble, but screamers are more fun at the redline.
I know what happened here. It all makes sense. VTEC didnt kick in yo.
+John Mead R's other six cylinders didn't kick in-wait
next time compare cup of noodles to an xbox 360 controller. They both exist and nobody has ever done a comparison on them before
lol
brilliant
Pretty sure you can't eat an Xbox Controller.
made my day
fucking laugh me to death XDDD
How stupid are people on these comments? The moral of this video is that you don't need a powerful expensive car to have a fun driving experience, it's like people who buy a 1000cc motorbike and can barely go past 3-4k RPM without worrying about the front tyre popping up, yet they still claim to have more fun thrashing around a 250~400cc motorbike.
The Honda actually did really well and I'm impressed how it handles those corners, obviously once the straight opened up it lost it, but to be fair look at the price comparisons, imagine spending the price difference on that Honda, it would absolutely destroy that R8.
Wow I'm shocked. I didn't think I'd find someone who's smart and not a jerkoff in these comments. At least you get it .
Ufc _ UA-cam comments are a disease
No one decides what is fun for someone else you shitarded clown.
Great analysis, should make more videos like this
That would be very annoying going for a quick drive in the R8 and seeing a pesky hatchback all over your tail thinking their faster than you.
@Daniel wut?
A few mods on the Type R,such as a turbo etc the Type R would be a match for the Audi R8,and also the Type R is beginning to grow on me,I wasn't too keen at the start but like I said it's starting to grow on me :-)
Thats awesome considering its a 2 litre as opposed to an R8.
Now try the comparison with the new Honda NSX
And then compare a Veryon W16 Grand Sport and a Vauhall Corsa, that will make fun of the car.
+Phoenix agree with you
Saw this very car today on the motorway the Civic Mugen MU09 GEN plate. lol. i remembered the plate from the first time I had watched this video and saw this very car today. haha nicee
Downforce at the rear is very useful in high speed corners and for high speed braking, so a rear spoiler on a FWD car is not pointless. In fact cornering and braking stability is the main reason for a rear spoiler. Not so much for acceleration traction for RWD.
at 2:40 its just so much more agile and lighter...thats why u were going all over the road way out wide while the R8 was stuck in its lane haha
Did you not see how close he got to that R8 around every turn? If he didn't go wide sometimes he'd probably hit. He wasn't trying to pass the R8 but stay behind it.
And the r8 was not going full ballers either. Far faster and awd grip. But on some hairpin turns like that any small agile car can stay with a supercar.
+James Lovett I'm not disputing what is faster or better. I'm just stating that he probably went wide so he didn't end up in the R8s rear during those turns.
I'll take the Honda.
yeah right bitch if you had the choice to choose now inreal life r8 or honda you would kick the honda in the ocean
No bitch... if someone would give me the chance to choose, I would take the R8 sell it and buy that Civic, or probably some older car, like a Toyota AE86 I really love those cars!
***** hmm just dont say you would buy the s2000 cause i hate that car :p
Actually the S2000 isn't bad, but what I like the most in it is the engine.
***** yeah engine is great but i hate the looks of the s2000 its to cute in my eyes for such a good car.
V10 vs a four cylinder for what it is... a work of art,and its keeping up there will always be a valid excuse to not hate a reliable Honda car( mostly), 6 less cylinders awesome!
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Civic Type R Mugen this car really hugs the corner and catches the R8 Tail very very fast. respect for such a small car and small engine
V-TEC KICKED IN YO!
Wait.....wait....wait....Civic R Mugen cost 38,599 pounds? That's around $55,000 US dollars. That's Corvette C7 money........
Yeah, but C7 can't turn and hasn't got VTEC :D
You think that's insane?
In Denmark a secondhand Toyota GT86 costs about the equivalent of $66,000. IIRC that's about the price of a C6 Z06.
NucLe4rCZ You mean variable valve timing guy? hahaha
ross burton no, i mean VTEC, best valve timing and most exciting thing in the world
;)
NucLe4rCZ SO exciting, better than skydiving hands down...
Wow, you must win every argument in school with those witty observations. Teach me you ways, master!
:52 badass vtec cross over! God I love it!
Video should have been titled Audi R8 V10 *(Driven cautiously)* v Honda Civic Type R Mugen *(Driven hard and fast)*.
No bullshit
Shut up the civic is better and the r8 is driving hard too
+Chog Ountonight really I thought that was the r8 that was red lining the whole time. I need need to get my ears checked.
MAD DOG turbo fn2 would smash that Audi up 😂😂😂
2:38 The Audi takes the corner nice and slow, and stays in it's lane. The Honda has to go wide to keep up. Also the Audi driver was barely moving...
MKSpots maybe the driver in civic was "old timer" guy...lol😂
both cars sound amazing!!
Same thing as before touring car racing, we used to have minis / escorts and cameros / mustangs, the small brits would go around corners faster but the big lumbering yank tanks would overtake on the straights, the whole race was a continual seesaw. As for me I would have the Honda Civic Type R Mugen.
Why don't you try the same race downhill...
Eric Yang honda Is faster at the corners... In a downhill race 280hp should be enough to beat the r8...
MrFujiwara AE86 Of course Honda's are always going to be fast at corners. Always will. But in a straight, nah man, the r8 got it. So why test it downhill? It's going to be the same results. Sure it's lighter, but the r8 will catch up easily.
MrFujiwara AE86 Track: Type R
Drag: Always will be the r8
Have you Heard about The downhill touge...? Where Keiichi Tsuchiya beats a 280ps R34 Gtr with a 170ps Ae86.. Is not about power dude, but obviously if you compare them uphill Is gonna win The One with more hp... Eric Yang
MrFujiwara AE86 hey the man is a hero...but at the end of the day its the skill of the driver and not that many people have that ability and not a lot of you people can't handle going down a mountain road at excess of 80 to 100mph oh and to say that's slow shows you haven't done that amount downhill (oh but everyone is a racer on the youtube comments) No I live in a mountain area and since I was a kid been going up and down the roads... With or without abs/tcs/stability control jajajaj and the r34 was completely bone stock as for the 86 has everything except electronics to help it
Claims to drive sensibly while driving on the wrong side of the road.
In england they drive on the left
dibi203
No shit Sherlock, i am from Australia we drive on the left too.
But at 2:37 he is driving on the wrong side
He knows he cant overtake so he is then driving like a moron.
I am sure they closed off the road for the filming but you cant go saying we are going to drive sensibly then go driving in the middle of the road.
great review, real world test.
they are lovely - we got quite a few in Jamaica !!
3 Honda 4 ever
Honda 4-ever
0:51 VTEC just kicked in YO!
Nice roads any ideas on where this was filmed?
Top Gear = Professional Idiots
Autocar = Totally idiots
Maybe they try to do comparison like lambo vs evo FQ400 on top gear, but this one? Rubbish!
Random Spot They ARE idiots, or at least acting like idiots. And that's why we love them.
Audi R8 lawan AYLA aja deh :v
ngePOOR 3 kilo hahaha
hes pushing the limits of the civic, the audi driver is LITERALLY cruising. to say the civic can go around a turn quicker than an r8 is utterly ridiculous. and besides, 55 grand??? are you freaking joking me. you're talking about BMW 1M's for that much, which is ten times ANY honda...
Exactly. You can hear the Honda screaming and nothing from the V10. Look at the lateral forces the R8 can produce and it would be long gone if the driver put any effort into it.
John Jerrehian
Nonsense.
On those corners the Civic has the advantage. On the exits and straights the R8 opens up and leaves it sitting. If you listen to what he is saying it can keep close to the R8 sometimes but not always.
But to say that the R8 is cruising is just not true.
bighands69
The only advantage the Civic has is the entrance speed and that is questionable.
The R8 with it's low center of gravity, mid engine, Quattro and wide tires has an abundance of ability that is not being used to the extent of this video. Yes, he says they are on public roads and even around 2:30 seconds questions if the Audi is being driven hard.
Have you ever been in an R8 V-10? When they are on at the top of their RPM range they scream and you can hear that howl a long way off. Not in this video.
Friend of mine is a manager of an Audi dealership in FL and you would be very impressed of what the R8 can do if you were in one. Put on a track when the two were pushed and the Honda would be gone, even in the turns.
R8 is not a usual Audi, it's better in corners then straight line, most Audis are opposite.
John Jerrehian look at the brakes...
every corner the civic has to brake because the civic can come in faster, but exit speed is faster. even with all those facts your missing the point of the type R.
its pretty much a race car with aircon.
You guys have earned my respect
0:52 v-tak kicked in yo!!
Well, you just need to wait till the Audi brakes down, which doesn't take long just as the other crap from Volkswagen. In difference to Failwagen/Audi you can drive the Honda on and on without worries of expensive repairs. Thats the secret of Japanese Quality in comparision to German slave labour.
People like you are the issue with the car world. I've had two Volkswagen's one was a 1.8T Passat with 350hp that lasted for 250k miles and am currently on a Jetta that is at 75k miles both I have had almost no issues with. The issue is how you take care of it. It's simple if you take care of the car it will work for a long time plain and simple, I also know many people with high horsepower volkswagens and audis doing 100k miles.
Nope, the issue with the car world are companies that set marketing before quality. I know a lot of dissatisfied Volkswagen and Audi drivers, who got nothing but problems with their cars. Do a search for DSG or 1.2l / 1.4l TSI issues, you'll find plenty. If you're searching for German quality, Mercedes Benz is your friend.
www.maxrev.de/files/2013/02/thumbs/t_2013_02_03_12_38_21_honda_and_toyota_top_the_engine_reliability_ratings__motoring_news__honest_joh.png
Before you become a grammar Nazi, it might help you to research on how reliable these companies are. Greetings from Germany.
its preference....
www.reliabilityindex.com/top-100 just under half of the top 100 are Japanese and a handful are German. Speaks for itself really.
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Hey buddy! :)
Carlyle's Picks Oh hi!! Could never expect you to comment my comment. haha! made my day!!
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The Vtec sound just awesome
That K20A sound :)
Supercar vs Japan hatchback= not even worthy for comparison
Boost this civic And will will shit All over that audi!
enjoy fwd noob
William Gunn u dumb fuck get off my comment
The only thing a Hon-duh shits on is it's owners ego.
Both different cars and experiences, would like to own both one day
I love the ENGINE REV,..... crank up the Volume with headphones, or Full Surround Sound.... I love that engine sound! It comes in great through the camera! Dragonmasterbiz2009
I love the Honda, it's the epitome of "the little engine that could" high reving 2 liter, I enjoy these cars very very much.
Does the mugen version have independen subspension
i like how 2 secs after he goes on about how sensible they are going to be it cuts to the honda crossing the centre line haha
OMG when vtec kicks in at 0:52
It’s amazing that Honda can make a car with 120hp per litre, revs to 8600 rpm and yet is incredibly reliable
you under estimate the Mugen its truly awesome
the hills are alive, with the sound of horsepower!
Exactly my thought!
that Civic is going HAM trying to keep up.
love the Type R!
"Almost too fast for roads like this...but not too fast for a 200 hp Civic." Come on now, the Audi R8 looks great but with twice the power is barely outruns a civic, it's one of the slowest 500hp cars around.
point being, you can have more fun in a hot hatch than a super car on typical British roads.
A point seemingly lost on almost everyone 😆
0:51 VTEC YO!!!
me encantan los honda civic !! coches veloces y con un motor escelente !!!
LMAO the guy in the Audi didn't even know they were racing.
"we are being ulimately sensible here" BAAAAAWAAAAAAAAAAHHHH
0:53 vtec just kicked in yo
A £40 k hot hatch!!! Has the world gone MAD!!! You could have almost as much fun in a standard clio cup / GTi / Cupra / VXR / RS etc, and if you spent a small portion of that 40k on tuning you could have a real monster too. But I do like the Mugen R though - one of the best looking hot hatches out there...
Honda won countless BTCC titles.
They won in a 24h LeMans class last year.
They almost won a few races in the WTCC although they just started there.
The openwheeler cups they won. They are starting 2014 in F1. They were dominating in F1 back then... shall i keep counting? :D
i think that an even twistier road, and a current hyper hatch like the focus RS, audi RS3, the current type R etc etc could do a better job, keeping up, or who knows, even beating a super car :v
What's the song in the beginning?
Is that William Shatner driving the Honda? lol
Nothing can beat the sound of Honda's VTEC systems.
exactly!! - they are two completely different classes
vtec kicked in yo!!!
now thats a civic id like to drive here in the USA
Can't wait for the next versus.
MAZDA MIATA VERSUS FERRARI LAFERRARI.
You're gonna love it.
It has paddle shifters?
Excellent video. No offense by my comment. Sir, you have a slight resemblance to William Shatner the original captain Tiberius Kirk from Star Trek.
This is the reason why civic were created as a fwd....to go nimble and fast on cornering...not mainly for a straight 1320... indeed civic were not fast...but it's bloody fun to drive ngl...
Also want to see a comparison of 2016 Civic Type-R with the likes of Audi R8. Would love to get a Civic Type-R when it comes to the US market, to replace my aging yet super reliable 2000 Honda Odyssey (I am almost done raising my family). Driving a Civic with a stick shift also gives me the feeling of youthfulness. After all, Civic was in my mind a car for young people getting their first cars. I need this feeling now as I am getting "old". The only down side is, my garage is full of Hondas.
dat vtech bro go soo fast Hondasibic!
Honda- "The Power Of Dreams"
The R8 probably never left second gear! I love Honda's, but the Civic was on the edge of its capabilities, whereas the Audi driver was probably sipping a coffee the whole time (and was comfortable enough not to spill it all over the cabin, too). Fun video, but the result was a foregone conclusion. The only way a Civic will keep up with an R-8 is if you drop both off a cliff at the same time!
I can come up with quite a few engines that beats the raspy sound of a high-revving 4-pot. How about the AMG M159 which sits in the Mercedes SLS? Or if high revs are something for you the new V12 sitting in the F12berlinetta? Or how about the 2.1 Straight-5 in the Audi A2 Quattro (that is the Ur-Quattro)?
R8 v10 is my favortie supercar 911 turbo and standard gt3 is my favortie car as well
Well yeah, Mugen is a tuning brand like Spoon Sports and Amuse
they all are very nice...
Obviously this man got the right arguments, he got exlamationmarks!
When it really comes to turns.. honda has the upper hand. See the driver of the Typer is stepping on brakes when turning just to give the r8 time to recover speed. Handling and manueverability is the key point to this video.
That Audi's lope-ing along and it never gets on full crack while the Civic is working and punishing the driver to "keep up". The Audi's also on the power sooner in the corners and pulling away from the Civic at every straight... hence the cuts to shots where the Civic is closing the gap at corner entry while the Audi's on the brakes and the Hondas still at full throttle.
The point is that the civic can stay with the Audi not that it is better or that it is a direct competitor.
Yes it can pull away but the audi can at least stay in the game with it. In most police chase they only need to stay in line of sight of the car and not beat it until support arrives.
bighands69 Sure, absolutely, but it's also punishing the driver, and likely at 9-10/10ths pace doing so and not the most enjoyable way to go fast on that kind of road. I think the Civic would be really fun to drive in the right setting and would likely have been even faster and less of a handful on a track -vs- a public road with all the frost heaves and what not. I always love seeing "US unobtanium" cars like the Si, but I would have been more interested to see a more comparable "Hot Hatch" (Like a VW or Audi) that would have been a bit more intriguing in terms of how it stacked up as a road car in addition to its outright speed. You can also take nearly any car out there and turn it into a Touring Car replica and it'll haul ass...But the question is do you want to keep driving it after 5 miles on public roads??? I've done the whole "race car on the road" thing and frankly I just can;t see doing that when you can make a
Like I say though I'd LOVE to have a crack at that Si on a track, that's where it'd really shine (like all Hondas with their F1 inspired red-lines). And as I keep saying: Honda has the parts bin, the know how and the quality products/engineering to make some MONSTER cars but they've been holding back as of late with the current gen Civic having the absolute worst interior I've ever seen in a car and a completely mediocre engine in terms of performance in it's class. It's still a wonderfully built and engineered engine, smooth and sweet, but it just doesn't make any low end power and it's 201hp is just kinda mid-pack so it struggles as a road car as do all hopped up tuner versions unless they're turbo'd and well sorted (read: few and far between).
bighands69 lol no it cant! not by a longshot! if the audi was being pushed just as hard as the civic it would be GONE, turns included! The British are just mad because they literally have nothing! lol my bad the MINI, WHOPDEEDOO BAZZLE
Imagine that. The Audi R8 is in a totally different league.
Man i wish they sold this in the US. The Si isn't enough to shut up the straight line huge engine guys. and that vtec sounds really good in the mugen too
classic!
I was able to pressure a Diablo SV round a track to an embarassing degree in an old Ferrari 308 !? One of the best drives i've had!! :)