I Don’t Like What We Have Become
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- Star Trek · The Next Generation · s04e21 · The Drumhead
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"Oh yes, thats how it starts, the road from legitimate suspicion to rampant paranoia is shorter than you think, something is wrong here....." That statement rings so true in this time we live now.
it should, the time we live in now is exactly what this episode was warning us about
So So So So true. You should see the ending of this episode, not to mention Picard's hearing scene.
@@mre4u422 Exactly, it would be a perfect episode to air today about cancel culture.
@@paulthompson9668 Cancel Culture? That's where your mind immediately went? Not to the masses of people saying the vaccine is going to put microchips into their bloodstream and turn them into Magneto?
It's cute the way you guys think this sort of thinking only came about with cancel culture.
Me at age 12: Meh, this episode is boring AF.
Me ar age 39: This episode is so true it's scary.
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You're not the only one lol, I remember when I was a kid, just like many other kids, I found the episode where there were a lot more action going on to be the best, as I got older and grew a brain lol, I started to respect the episode that had good writing, far more over the action episodes, unless they had good writing also.
The irony is, many of the better episodes were filler episodes and yet ended up being some of the best ones I remember fondly and I think it's because of how well of a warning it gives us on how it reflects on real life, Measure of a Man is another classic in my view.
Odd, I fkn loved it, especially that end of the briefing room, that sent tingles through me as I realised, yeah, people be fukn dangerous paranoid creatures, even 400 years out, that might still be the case
I remember watching this scene for the first time as a child being on Worf's side. Why doesn't Picard see what's going on here! I felt the ending was anticlimatic - there was no conspiracy, no plot - what was the point of the episode?
Years later I watched it again as an adult with a very different perspective.
Your shifting experience with this episode sounds like a pretty apt metaphor in itself. lol
Everyone's a witch if you look hard enough.
@GamerKat'71 romulans are sneaky backstabbers with lots of redundant contingencies. you can't afford to lose your guard against them. or any other race for that matter. trust is a four letter word in diplomacy, it doesn't exist. if the federation really went on with its ideals of mutual respect and friendship it would've been destroyed centuries ago. good thing it's been babysitted by section 31
@@regalecusglesne3022 not as much damage as panic and mistrust do. Soon you would have people pointing the finger just to make themselves less suspicious. Let me throw some terms for you for perspective: witch hunt, red scare, twitter :). These help you realize what was really going on?
@@regalecusglesne3022 Well, that spy managed to destroy the fundamental principles of SF, so yeah, job well done.
Tarses’ actor really does a good job projecting nervous golden retriever energy. Really had me feeling for the poor guy
Yes, the actor nailed the assignment.
For anyone interested, in all but one of his many non-canon appearances, Simon Tarses is still in Starfleet. In one, even makes his mother proud.
I haven't read any of the novels, but someone else just commented about him being killed off... are their multiple non-canon timelines?
@@tjwparso Yes, apparently he appears in several novels and is even a character in one of the video games. None of the notes on Memory Alpha or Beta mention his death, but that doesn't mean it doesn't occur in one of the stories.
@@josephmassaro I guess that makes sense them being 'non-canonical' and all... I guess I always assumed they were distributed by the same publishers/covered such a vast timeline that there would be very little contradiction, thought it would be a timeline that you can make sense of that just doesn't fit the 'official' tv timeline, think it's time I looked into the books/non-canon stories
@@tjwparso Unless a book is written by the same author (a series) each book is generally it's own non-canon one off. To my knowledge, no books are treated as canonical. So, each author can write a book or a series as they like (within the publisher's guidelines) and it doesn't count as canon.
In the books he's a doctor, and CMO of the USS Aventine.
My favorite line in this clip is probably "I spent many an hour there. It was my favorite spot to study."
This was not a conversation between a captain and his crewman. This was not even a conversation between Starfleet personnel. It was a conversation between two guys with a shared love of the stars. Picard knew he would only make matters worse by pulling rank and checked his authority "at the door" so to speak, instead focusing on building a rapport and finding common ground -- such as a favorite bench back at the Academy. This allowed him to earn enough of Tarses's trust to learn his motivations and see that he wasn't a threat.
What made Picard so effective a leader is that he knew when to use his "hard power," his ability to give orders and have them followed; and when to use his "soft power," his charm, respect that others held for him, AND the respect that he held for others.
We can not take a fundamental principle of the constitution and turn it against a citizen.. TNG Picard had the best ethos.
Unfortunately that is exactly what is happening today. You don't answer questions you are found guilty and put in jail. It is really sad what the people have permitted to happen.
@@55Quirll That's one of the reasons why I don't think the storyline with Picard's downfall isn't as big of a stretch as many other people think it is - _particularly_ post- Dominion War and post-Romulus.
1:45 ... I know a few people inside the beltway that need to watch this part, a few mayors, commissioners and sheriff's too.
@@davidcantwell2489 Same here 👍
I remember an older Batman movie where he used mass surveillance for his agenda and expressed how bad he feels about it and that it must be a single exception just because the cause is so very just there. ... That is intentionally or unintentionally(=compromising) surrepticious state propaganda. Because a righteous excuse is found without effort. The only good message would have been: If the principle is good, then there must be no exception made. The cases where we are tempted are the ones where we are tested, where it actually starts to matter.
"Ensign Kellogg... I'd like you to prepare me a bowl of cereal".
"And Ensign Muffin..."
“Ensign Kellogg, isn’t it true that, when you were preparing Mr. Worf’s breakfast, you did, in fact, pour the milk _before_ pouring the cereal??”
Were the eggs soft boiled or hard boiled and were there two eggs or three?
😂😂😂😂
Frosted Mini Wheats with prune juice on the side.
"I don't like what we have become"
That makes two of us.
I appreciate how Picard doesn't hold Worf's view on this against him after everything is resolved.
Star trek tng is a pretty cool guy, eh forgives his officers with grace and doesn't afraid of anything
Because he knew everything Worf did came from a place of honor, and having people with more experience keep telling him there was a problem, tends to lead him to think that maybe there IS a problem.
What real tolerance is.
That would be contrary to his compassion, understanding, and being fair and non judgmental - they keys to this episode.
You can't blame someone for being drawn to charisma. Only if they fail to see who that person truly is, especially after they've already been exposed.
The irony of this episode is that Worf is in a similar position as Tarses, except he’s not on trial. Worf’s dad is considered a traitor at this point of the story and earlier in the episode, admiral Satie asks worf about his past, referring to his father. Worf avoids the topic, and states he prefer not to speak about it. What worf declares in this scene is ironic cause he states, “if a man were not afraid of the truth, he would answer”
Yeah right Worf! WHAT ABOUT YOUR DADDY?!
Picard to Worf on the witness stand: *"Who's your daddy?!"*
He got sucked into everything. That's sadly not uncommon.
Actually worfs father wasn't a traitor. He was simply an innocent scapegoat the Duras family tried to falsely blame for the khittomer massacre
@@nigelmurphy6761 You're not wrong but in this episode, he was still considered a traitor at the time.
I wonder if that was a bit of a psychology play on Satie’s part. Worf is nothing but honorable, so calling out his past may make him eager to take down Tarses, because it proves he’s dedicated to Starfleet.
It's staggering how this is even more true today in 2021.
TNGs writing was so so good.
If you think it's just as bad as it was 10yrs ago you're just moronic. That statement is always true tho in any time. Their will always be people like that. We have made progress in every way
@@HFFCANADA Progress? With the #MeToo witch hunt, people have been accused without evidence of things that were alleged to have occurred years and decades ago. Careers have been ruined and reputations destroyed just based on accusations alone without any proof of wrongdoing.
@@Eternal_Tech negative Nancy
how about being judged on the colour of your skin , all white people are racist
@@epicstyle1000 don't forget Asians
"Do you see what is happening here, Mr. Worf?"
"I do, sir! And it's glorious!"
Do you see what is happen here?
I seek glory!
Then he gets attacked during the trial and starts changing his tune now that he realizes just how messed up they are.
Picard's face when he says "how" at 1:25 gives me chills. It's full of righteous anger and indignation. This is why Picard will always be superior to Kirk, because his moral courage was so much stronger.
Picard: 500 years ago military officers would upend a drum on the battlefield and sit it dispensing summery justice. Decisions were quick, punishments severe.
Worf: That sounds great! Let's repicate a few.
*Worf for the next few weeks after someone messes up*: Ensign, get me my drum
I wonder if Klingons had anything like this. Actually, it doesn't sound very honorable. Perhaps the Breen did, instead.
Worf 5 minutes after a bout of Drumhead trials: ...Now I see why Picard despised these.
gotta compliment the guy on his acting. looks/sounds like he feels genuinely anxious. same compliment goes out to the woman portraying the investigator.
I looked him up. He was also one of the holograms being hunted by the Hirogens. And funny side fact has been a senator in 4 different things.
Jesus Christ this is insane how accurately this portrays the current situations around the globe.
this episode was a warning which we as a society chose to ignore
This situation has been happening for centuries. The only things that really changed were the scapegoat and the accuser.
"Do you see what is happening here, Mr. Worf?"
"... Uhm, yes sir, I'm having a hell of a a good time! Let me move over to that space station, I hear they let that changeling do whatever he wants as security chief..."
Two fine examples of outcasts who understand and uphold their species ideals better than their own species.
I like how they got an actor for this episode who actually looks like he could be 1/4 Vulcan or Romulan
2:05 Human History is littered with this exact phrase. The Soviets, Nazis, US, The British Empire, the Romans, the Spartans, Athenians, and so on. So many civilizations destroyed because legitimate suspicion quickly turned into rampant paranoia
Eh, not really... Not sure about the Greeks, but only the Soviets and Nazis really fit this category in terms of "destroying their civilization." Although with the US, given the past few years, and seemingly every other week now, we draw ever closer to the Fascists and Authoritarians that came before us...
This was also Ron Jones's last episode as a composer on the show. He was fired for arguing with Rick Berman over what the music for the show should be
Everyone's loss.
His uneasy, nerve-raising pseudo-ambient music style was absolutely _perfect_ for this episode.
What have I become?
My sweetest friend.
Everyone I know,
Goes away, in the end.
And you can have it all. My empire of dirt I will let you down
I will make you hurt.
You know what Tarsus felt about wanting to be out there traveling the stars was the same feeling I had and still have when I joined the US Navy as an enlisted service member just like Tarsus refused to go officer.
Star Trek TNG. Classic and iconic.
"But the road from legitimate suspicion to rampant paranoia is very much shorter than we think." I remember watching this episode as a kid and thinking, "Oh yeah this episode is about McCarthyism and it's over now." Sadly not.
McCarthyism was one example. The Holocaust was another. The Salem Witch Trials was a third. And the Reign of Terror was yet another.
And, of course, the era of 'Cancel Culture' is yet again an example where things come to a drumhead. They only end when cooler heads finally prevail... but many lives are ruined on the way.
@@LordTyph yep!
still just as true today, it is a slippery slope to be on
It's not hard to understand Worf's perspective: He is an exile from the Klingon Empire all because his father was accused of being a Romulan collaborator. He's trying so hard to prove he has no loyalty to the Romulans that he doesn't realize he's acting no better than the people who wrongly convicted him.
Of course, the High Council was worse. They already knew Mogh was innocent, but they still convicted him posthumously just so Duras wouldn't be punished. Politicians are strange: They turn a blind eye to the guilty if they're powerful yet always hound the innocent regardless of their status.
"Ensign Kellogg I eat officers like you for breakfast"
this was very much a warning about what we as a society could (and have) become
As far as the USA are concerned, I actually don't see any significant deteroiration. Has been shockingly rotten in the very foundation.
Yet another masterpiece of a soundtrack by Ron Jones...the eery music really helps set the mood.
What's pretty sad is how Simon, at this point, assumes that such a simple act of falsifying one's application is actually a most terrible offense (not to mention *why* he felt compelled to only not say he’s part Romulan in the first place) all because of Admiral Satie's obsession with putting people to justice. And all Simon did was mention a cousin race of pointed-ear folk, nothing malicious behind it, just worry of Starfleet's reaction. Personally, I think at least the majority of Starfleet would overlook the Romulan part of his heritage, and it's more than the fact that you can't judge someone based on their blood; Simon has seemingly nothing to do with Romulan anything throughout his life up to this point, minus what's in his own blood. He was even born on one of Earth's first off-world settlements, on Mars Colony.
They probably would have overlooked his heritage, which is why the tragedy lies in his distrust and decision to lie. The admirable thing about Starfleet in this era is that truth and honesty are sacred. Liars are held accountable and it's literally a cause for a dishonorable discharge. Basing your application to enter an organization, which holds truth dear, and will define your life forever more, on a lie, is of course going to be a particularly egregious mistake. That's why it's such a big deal in principle in this episode. It would in fact be a mistake that would haunt a person like Simon in an organization like Starfleet for the rest of their lives. Being a big deal in principle doesn't means it must remain one however. Starfleet knows how to forgive, and there's enough special circumstances here I believe he would be able to stay in Starfleet after some consequences, but I think lying on your application is definitely and always will be a big deal.
@@Kossimer True, but counterpoint, this also makes Starfleet grossly naïve... They SHOULD have questioned his Romulan connections, had they known about them. That is a MASSIVE potential security threat... What if he WAS a Romulan spy?
In another episode, Starfleet is shown to be SO trusting, that a well respected diplomat turned out to BE a Romulan! That's even worse than Representative Eric Swalwell sleeping with a Chinese Communist Party spy for decades... Starfleet needs to work on both their tendency to go full 1984 at the drop of a hat, and on their gross negligence when it comes to background checks...
@@davidtucker9498 It’s interesting how often people are called naïve by those who are actually naïve.
There’s good in those world? You’re naïve.
You can’t judge somebody by their heritage? You’re naïve.
Something about compassion, morals and being better? You’re naïve.
As a side note, some people sound so angry about it, too (generally speaking)
You’re literally asking for Starfleet to be xenophobic and hypocritical while misinterpreting what the book, 1984, is about: It’s not about censorship, which still doesn’t apply here, btw - it’s about conservatism.
Watching Worf have a meeting with his security team was awesome. He is great.
"An elm tree with a circular bench?"
"You know the one?"
"What? Oh, no, it's just what I imagined when you said tree"
God dam love Picard, he loved the Federation and everything it stood for, loved the principals it was founded on
THIS is the Picard people we all wanted to see again. And instead they gave us SJW Picard with the new show.....
Picard: Mr. Worf, I need to speak with you.
Kellog: AAWWWWWW You're in truuuuuuubblllleeeeeeeee!
"Ensign Kellogg, I was a bowl of corn flakes with 3% whole milk."
The Chaddich will be silent!!!
All Worf can see is the beans of victory!
😐
"...if a man were not afraid of the beans, he would answer." I love the Captains reply to Worf. 💙 T.E.N.
Ensign Kellogg is my favorite breakfast cereal.
That isn't milk you're pouring...
"Ensign Kellogg, return to your Post."
@@TheZetaKai You can say that again.
@@TheZetaKai oh lord lol
Rights are not granted, theyre recognized, picard
In the Novelverse, Medical Technician 1st Class Tarses gets promoted a lot and becomes CMO of DS9.
The Beanhead
😐
@@jasonpye4649 if you think i'm going to take that sitting down you're dead wrong
@@duze5822 it only makes sense if you _do_ take it sitting down while you're eating a bowl of beans. You need fuel and it's all some people can do to gain fuel. 😬☺✊
1:06 Doom, the sound of one strike in a poorly tuned drum
WOW - this is NOT the Picard in ST:P - we used to have a figure with strong convictions and decision making abilities.
Instead we got a weak, bumbling old fool.
The first episode gave me hope then Picard basically became nothing more than a vehicle for the other characters to get together.
@@Vetis213 yea it was sad to see the demise of the character
His strong convictions got him driven out of Starfleet.
@@Mark73 picard acted irrationally in that initial situation and rightly pissed off SF
Picard was absolutely right, too. It seems like even human beings in the Star Trek universe have the same extreme paranoia towards potential enemies as humans any other time in history.
Unfortunately, that's probably something we'll always have to fight.
Drumhead in a Yorkshire accent, still makes me laugh. Commander Sharpe will be heading this investigation.
Oh my gosh Salem witch trials in space!
and metoo, cancel culture.....
@@cyndwinzeler3417 And the Red Scare and the Reign of Terror...
Imagine 50 years from now, a soldier claims to be of South Korean ancestry, bit thsy discover his relitives came from the north, then he is accused of being some sort of spy... it's scary how real that is, the rampant paranoia of both political parties in America in the present proves that.
It's funny how much the name Simon Tarses sounds like Saul of Tarsus. I actually had to do a double-take.
This episode is more relevant now!
Worf&Picard,
just a few years later:
“You COWARD.”
“If you were any other man
I would kill you where you stand.”
“Get off my bridge.”
Yes,
they have a unique relationship...
Oh, how I missed the *OlD PiCaRd* there. 😜
This is a very relevant episode now.
ESPECIALLY now. This episode is sooo timeless.
words don't suffice for how brilliant this series was. watched many episodes more than once
Sounds like the modern day FBI. Scary
"Sounds like the FBI."
FTFY
The more enemies you seek the more you will find as you create them
"I lied on my application, that will stay with me for the rest of my life".....Same with a resume......
The thing I like about the writing in most series under the Star Trek umbrella is every character is flawed. Yet the stern, patrician Picard takes time to have tea with an enlisted man, and truly wants to know a bit about him. Its just tragic he gets that interaction as he feeks his life's dream is falling apart.
Wow, Worf really gets into denying other people's rights.
He may be an alien in the future but he's still a cop
@@brandonlink6568 noncops do it, as well
Non-cops don’t have the mechanisms to effectively deny rights on a mass scale. But cops are a weapon of the state, which can restrict rights for everyone.
He is ey KLINGON, after all!
the difference between truth and opinion is that only one can be changed.
The "old school friends" reference is very telling, since that was so often used to condemn people in the 50s and 60s accused of communist sympathies.
Leaving the Academy early to go on a voyage, to seek out new life, boldly going where no man has gone before. This kid * IS* Star Fleet, they would be better to have him. People like Norah Satie, who are only concerned about Nationalism to further their own influence and power inevitably and irrevocably damage the very structures they are trying to strengthen.
what really disgusts me is the only thing tarses was guilty of was lying about his romulan grandfather, from where i sit, thats not all that big a crime. itd be one thing if he were actually engaged in espionage, but he wasnt. if satie had her way, he would have been locked up with the key flushed down the nearest toilet.
Nah, the figurative key would have been shot into the nearest available star.
Still a lie to a representative of the law in an official investigation, "under oath", so to speak. While that does not mean he is guilty of what they suspected him of - being a spy/co-conspirator of a spy - he was guilty of perjury, which, though not as bad, is still a crime.
@@jessiehogue. let the punishment fit said crime. lying about his romulan grandfather, while ill advised, lets face it, hardly a hanging offense so to speak. especially since saties so called hearings were of dubious legality from what i could tell.
@@markdurl8341 Oh, I am well in favor of the punishment fitting the crime. All I am saying is that while his lie did not make him guilty of being a spy/co-conspirator, it did made him guilty of perjury. That's all.
As for the legality of the hearings, I am a specialist of neither real life law, nor of Star Trek's Federation's own, and as such am in no position to say.
This guy loved being on the Enterprise more than Riker, and he played his hand perfectly.
Picard loves taking people with a smudge or two on their record and making them a high level whatever they do...this guy was probably forced to stay on the Enterprise until it crashed.
Section 31 agent taking notes hidding in the background somewhere.
Plead the Seventh, Plead the Fifth, has a ring to it either way.
the acting on this series is superior to what I see on todays tv
Rights granted by a government can just as easily be taken away by the government.
Rights aren't granted or given by a government. Every man, woman, and child has inherent rights. The only thing that the government should do is protect those rights. It is not up to a person in an office or a committee in marble halls to say what people can or cannot do. All it takes is for that first step, that first right taken, and we may soon find ourselves in a dark age of paranoia and despotism.
@@country_flyboy exactly, as RC intended by the quote
R.I.P. Sir Terry Pratchett
Their Tortoise wants its vainly stretched neck.
Turtles all the way down.
I Read through several of the comments and received a much needed laugh. Thank you everyone!
TNG comment section is refreshingly witty.
But also some spoilers, so I will always prefer a small circle of good friends.
I mean, I would always.
Noticed the Harojan on Voyager used a variation of Simon Tarses in their hologram hunting training.
I love Picard telling him and explaining to warf because I don't think he realizes just how much he's become a part of but that's what is essentially a witch Hunt.
And it makes sense that Worf went on to be a spy for Section 31.
You could replace Worf with social media and Picard with someone who has just happened upon the lastest outrage. Who in turn ends up getting attacked or dragged into it. The scray thing is this episode is even more ture today than it was when this show aired.
Too many examples. The boston bomber - the internet KNEW it was this one guy who ended up murdered by a crowd and found he was innocent. Or the shiek on 9/11 - an india man mistaken for an Afghani. As if killing a random afghani would be appropriate at all. Or looking for killers amongst our peoples because of skin color. I mean thats only three but theres too many atrocities by the mob mentality of " well one did it so they ALL are guilty"
Or during so many other points in history, really.
I hate how picard is willing to risk the safety of the entire ship for one kid. At the beginning it wouldnt have been obscene to confine a suspect that is at risk of causing the complete destruction of the ship.
Oh hey, an enlisted crewman other than O’Brien. I forgot we ever met any!
"The road to hell is paved with good intentions."
The Federation grants rights. However, in the ISA, our rights are given by thy Creator and the State (or Federation) cannot give or take them away.
Poor Worf. In the entire run of the show, did he ever make a suggestion that was taken? Every time he said “l suggest suggest such and such” Picard or Riker would always go with another option. Many times it was even something like “I suggest we raise shields” and then Picard would take a total gamble and not raise shields when dealing with an unknown entity or something. Of course, it always worked out for Picard and it turned out he made the right decision, but that’s only because that’s how the scripts were written. Also, I know Worf never won even one hand of poker.
Worf has won in poker: S02E20 "The Emissary" (Worf beats Geordi, Data, Riker and Pulaski on the opening scene). See ua-cam.com/video/SWd26VQ_xsU/v-deo.html
@@MatroidX Touché. I could have sworn he never won.
His suggestions were followed occasionally, like in the Nth Degree when they're being chased by the probe.
@@stars9084 Well to be fair, his suggestions and first instincts, like drawing his phaser on somebody or some thing, were always overly aggressive. I guess that was just his Klingon nature. Taking many of his suggestions probably would have put the Enterprise into danger. Worf was a shoot first, ask questions later kind of guy. Picard was the total opposite. Worf didn’t seem to care much about being shot down almost all of the time.
@@Whoopdido777 Oh i completely agree. Worf was generally there to show an opposing viewpoint, but he didn't have enough experience as a Starfleet officer yet to make it well or know when he was jumping the gun. He didn't reach that point until DS9 when he started training for command
Worf wsa already rampantly paranoid, & he did it in less than 10 minutes
Simons actor is really really good.
Honestly, I'd add a scenario to Worf: Let's say that a Klingon was looked at as guilty of committing a crime, just because the Federation and the Klingon Empire weren't on good terms at the time. Yet you did nothing wrong. You wouldn't react too well to the accusations, nor how they came about, would you?
Basically, you can't go off on somebody just because you're enemies. Eventually, that enemy might end up being a friend at some point down the line. Worf would be a good example here: After the Khitomer Massacre, Worf looked at Romulans in a negative light, which makes sense. However, in this moment, it's clear that he's letting his emotions get in the way of his duty. Then that Schimitar battle happened. I won't say that his hatred magically dissipated, but Worf did acknowledge how the Romulan crew fought with honor against Shinzon's ship.
Worf was younger here. That movie happened, he got older and matured.
Worf was arguably younger than the other senior staff
@@robjackson5245He was. But at that point in his life: if the scenario I made, before going into what would happen involving him later in the series, was brought up to him... I would expect him to be defensive, as how Klingons can be in their own way when one accuses them of wrong-doing. But ultimately, I think he'd probably get the point & learn that lesson of how being prejudice toward another person because of something they can't control isn't the right way to go about it.
@freakyforrest9 Excellent episode WWOR in New York. Picard really ripped that bitch a new one by letting her rant off like the bitch she is. Discriminating against someone cause they're Romulan. Even though yes it's wartime so of course there's going to be precautions and situations, wrong though it may be, against enemy nationals even if they are civilians. Best example the Iraq War.
@@freakyforrest9 although it was a proxy war rather than all out war. The Cardassians were more advanced and a bigger threat.
We have visited this recently.
You can see warf having an ah shit moment
We are currently in the rampant paranoia phase in human history around the world, especially over the last 2 decades and maybe I'm just older and see more of the corruption, but it sure did feel a lot more peaceful in the 90's for most of us, or maybe it's just the internet and smartphones is exposing a lot of the corruption that was already there that's getting a lot more people around the world more paranoid.
Not everyone is cut out for academy life. Simon wanted to be in the action and actually be of service immediately. The route of the enlisted isn't the most glamorous but far more relatable. Non-commisioned officers are more likable among the lower ranks because they were also lower ranks. Simon will have that mark about lying on his application, but that shouldn't be held against him entirely. He knew that he would be called a spy if it came out that his grandfather, a man who he cared for very much as a child, was revealed as a Romulan rather than as a Vulcan. How many men and women are there today who have ancestry connections to people who did very bad things willingly? Just because our ancestors may have done something horrible in the past doesn't mean we will do something similar. Let our own decisions be the witness of our character.
I just noticed that across the series, when staff meetings were held, Picard never showed a preference for which side he preferred. Maybe the one he is seen using here is more common.
I wish they'd done more with Simon's character.
Fun fact: In the "Destiny" novel trilogy Simon Tarses becomes Chief Medical Officer of the USS Aventine under the command of Captain Ezri Dax.
As I'm sure many are aware, the 7th guarantee is all but a carbon copy of the 5th Amendment to the US Constitution. In popular parlance, "taking the 5th" is often interpreted as an admission of guilt or criminal conduct (courts have even ruled that a 5th Amendment invocation can be used against someone in civil court), when this is precisely the opposite of what the framers of the Bill of Rights intended.
The 5th Amendment is a direct response to the Inquisitions and the Star Chamber, which were government/religious means to crush dissent and cement the rule of the people in power at the time. Confessions were beaten out of you, and used against you to punish you for crimes you did not commit. We still do this today, except we've forbidden beatings and torture to extract confessions; now the authorities resort to psychological warfare which frankly can be even worse. This is why it is so important to have legal counsel with you if you will be interrogated by law enforcement, because nothing will make their jobs easier than a confession, and few things are a greater affront to justice than a forced or coerced confession.
We must remember that even the worst defendants are innocent until proven guilty, and that using the 5th Amendment right to avoid self-incrimination is not a confession. It's a very short path from "It's practically a confession" to "It's legally a confession", and it could happen with a stroke of a demagogue's pen.
Well, in retrospect, Romulans and Vulcans are branched from the same Vulcan ancestry. So it wasn’t too big of a lie, if one goes back far enough.
This is really funny because 3 episodes later LaForge is brainwashed by romulans and nearly assassinates a Klingon ambasador. Worf's suspicion should be admired.
I feel so bad for that kid!!
Dude should have just been like, "Oh my bad, my mom always told me grandpa was a Vulcan."
That tree needs to be called the bothby (sp??) tree.
Star Trek warn us about Twitter...
No, Sir, he doesn't like it.
oooooh ensign kellogg
I'm just wondering if his ears are naturally shaped like that or if they used prosthetics
Picard at his best.