@@Lightwrath1994 That's what i'd recommend. The game used to be at least decent, but over the years, it's turned to overly complicated shit. And for those of you who might question if i ever played it, i pre-ordered it, and hold a lifetime sub.. u can't get those anymore. The writing is still pretty good, but it's absolutely no fun to play anymore....at least for me.
You know a far, far more interesting plot would have been if the Romulans recovered enough of data (and not just the two neuron thing.. Jesus) that they were able to use Borg technology to basically turn the cube into an android factory and actually try to use the androids in some nefarious plot and/or slave labor. Then in traditional Trek fashion, the heroes work not to just destroy the androids but liberate them from the Romulans. If you want Star Fleet being assholes that don't want to help, just have them hide behind the prime directive thing (i.e. 'We can't tell another culture how to treat their androids'), which also gives Picard a reason to get involved as having been a defender of their rights. Instead of .. this.
@@BlazingOwnager This is - by *far* - a better story pitch than the actual show's and in fact than the TNG movies' as well. So I guess there is an answer to the question "Who would come with a better ST story idea? An experienced team of writers and producers with input from the show's main star? Or one youtube boi?"
@@ShadowSonic2 Well that's an easy issue to fix. Go with the slave labor idea, and have the reasoning for the Romulans doing it be that they are using android labor to help rebuild their fractured empire since the Federation won't help them, and taking that slave labor away would set back their reconstruction efforts by decades, possibly even centuries. That gives the Romulans a somewhat sympathetic reason for their actions, and adds a layer of moral ambiguity to the whole situation: is liberating artificial life just if doing so would prolong the suffering of their creators?
@@MauR1CEnl I think they would find holodecks very useful. they probably did use them, but I don't know enough about Star Trek to know. Kirk and his crew used them, so they've been around a while.
Maybe the Roms were smart enough to see the dangers of AI? They seem like a pretty sharp species, and they are keen on self-preservation, which humanity is not.
@@Patriotgal1 that's roughly like saying because you see the dangers of micro organisms you're not going to study micro organisms at all. It's a dumb stance.
In "The Mind's Eye", the Romulans were using a holodeck aboard one of their warbirds to test Geordi La Forge's ability to carry out their assassination orders. They were using holographic characters programmed with artificial intelligence.
I remember when the Romulans were a race that wasn't that different from ours, and they made compelling villains because they had clear and relatable motives. Now they're some kind of exotic space-Asian culture with strange traditions and nonsensical backstory. It's a wonder they even made it into space when they're not busy grooming space bonsai plants or hiding behind fake doors.
They are named Romulans. They are a literal space paralel to Romans and their rampant imperialism, expansionism and xenophobia. I wonder how idiotic one has to be to turn them into space Asians.
I think a case can be made that they are really chafing from being forced to work within preexisting IP, but that is all the industry will gamble on anymore. Everyone loses. Everyone's the victim.
I wanted to give you a like but then I have changed my mind because I don't want to ruin the balance of that magical number of 222 likes you already have...
I mean they did lose their homeworld, maybe all their cyberneticists lived in one place, or were at a conference when the supernova happened. Just... incredibly bad timing.
@@LostieTrekieTechie Romulans had a star empire, the destruction of their main planet would harm them, but wouldn't do much to an entire branch of science. If you nuked Silicon Valley, it would harm the IT industry, but it wouldn't change the way we use IT in the rest of the world. In an evolved society, it is impossible to have all the knowledge and brain power behind an entire scientific field in one place. Even in a relatively ancient societies on earth, the destruction of a library was a harm to science, but it wasn't the end of it. The burning of library of Alexandria is seen as heavily devastating, but it didn't ruin unique documents as all of them had copies. The Romulans are based on Rome. Rome was abandoned as a capital of it's empire, it was sacked, it fell into ruin, the most luxurious districts became pastures for goats, in the forum, people were building primitive mud brick huts reinforced with fragments of ancient statues, but now, 1500 years later we still have their language, people can easily read it, science uses it, we have all the Roman technical knowledge and a huge chunk of it's literature. The high civilisations of ancient Americas were wiped out, only very few people survived and their culture was destroyed, but we still use pretty much everything they developed in terms of agriculture (peanut butter, Maze, potatoes in all it's variants, Llamas...).
Honestly, that's the part that I thought was most plausible. If he had access to a personal-cloaking device that prevented others from finding him via sensors the use of a sword would make the most sense since an energy discharge would show up instantly on their internal sensor net. Firearms would be too loud, and any other energy weapon would show. The best option would be "Medieval" weapons as they're muscle powered. That means knives and short swords for assassination work.
It was a complete disgrace to star trek. SJWs, introducing alcoholic and mental illnesses, spam adverts, swearing. None of this reflects the evolved nature of humanity which we saw all the time in other ST stories. Worst of Patrick Stewart sold us out and aligned himself with the progressives, and in doing so pissed on all of us and his prestigious ST acting career.
@@mrtappyasmr7702 Lol, Picard isn't bad because it's "progressive". It was actually far less progressive than the original Star Trek. Need I remind you that The Federation is essentially a communist utopia where things like currency and wealth accumulation don't exist.
See all the new "Star trek" Shows were made without any care or thought of the old shows. They are trying to pander to a new crowd and throwing out the old fans
The old shows did not care much about the older ones either. TOS even contradicts itself. Remember how early TOS has human and vulcan "merchants" (e.g. Trouble with Tribbles, Errand of Mercy), but then it turns out Earth and Vulcan don't have money...?
They're not even pandering to a new crowd really, because it's hard to figure out who this new stuff is for in the first place. It's not like each new generation of humans are radically different from the previous ones, so the rules for good writing don't really change much...
@@KonradTheWizzard The *Federation* doesn't deal with money, which really isn't established until TNG, which takes place after TOS. There might've actually been a transition period. Even if that was the case in during TOS, other species do, so some merchant stuff would still have to be done.
@@KonradTheWizzard Trader doesn't mean they deal only in money. They could be literally trading their stock for other stock. It's the same way Voyager kept it's supplies running.
A different universe does make more sense than saying that Star Trek Discovery and Picard are part of the Gene Roddenberry Star Trek. Just like with J.J. Abrams Star Trek, his movies are in another universe, and not in Gene Roddenberry Star Trek's past.
I agree. I have no objection to an alt u darker Trek. In TNG “parallels “ we discovered there were many such universes very close to the original trek universe. Why not mine that idea for “different Trek”? But trying to force something so non Trek into the original universe in order to cash in on an established fan base will not win over said fan base. All of NuCBS Trek is not real trek
@Lady Wanderer I would assume computers in the 24th century are quantum computers, but they would work with numerical functions of cause. Maybe the positronic brains are a totally different thing?
Let's throw in a bit of real computer science - shall we? Everything modern computers do is purely numerical. The entirety of Computer Science is built on the foundations of numerical theory (a branch of mathematics). Even Siri or Alexa or your super smart navigation device or the "magic" Google search engine perform purely numerical functions. They simulate text processing, voice recognition, image recognition and so on by performing mathematical transformations on long strings of numbers. As of yet it is completely unknown what is necessary to build a true A.I. like Data or Lore - we do not know whether it can be achieved numerically or whether it needs some magic "positronic brain" that does something else to work. So from today's point of view it is perfectly possible that A.I. hating Romulans do have 21st century style "AI", basically a bunch of heuristics stringed together, but no true AI that can think for itself. BTW: cybernetics is the study of control systems, not specifically the study of A.I. It just happens that today A.I. is usually studied as feedback control systems. The word just sounds cool when misapplied to futuristic concepts. ;) If you can just get yourself to ignore all those hundreds of inconsistencies and the bullshit techno-babble in ANY Star Trek show then you might realize that it is about the current human condition and it does actually do a very good job of holding a mirror to our faces. Sometimes it does this so uncomfortably close.... right?
@@KonradTheWizzard The issue is that there is no reason to believe true AGIs cannot be achieved with "purely numerical" computers. Quantum computers may or may not help, but in the end it's just a matter of how much processing power you throw at it.
@@KonradTheWizzard Not really. When was the modern world ever akin to the Federation? There is little point holding up a mirror to our faces if it doesn't explore how our world came to be. History didn't begin with the Romulan supernova, Martian massacre or some modern equivalent. Picard never explored how the federation had degenerated in to a slave owning society before either of these events happened although this was already becoming the case in Voyager's run.
@David Stachon The main ST subreddit is highly policed by company men, so comment shilling or not there’s a regulated hive mind mentality out of there that STD and Picard are the bee’s knees.
I love how when Dune came back into play a couple years ago, all sci-fi franchises written afterwards all tried to find a way to insert societies with no AIs in it😂😂
Yes and like when Scotty thought Kirk pulled the Enterprise out of Mothballs in TNG when he was there when he died in generations or when data says he does not have enough bouncy then says he is designed to act as a flotation device or when troy says she never kissed Riker with a beard before even though she had kissed him numerous times with a beard or trilitihim being an experimental compound the Romulans were working on then its a waste product of the Enterprises engines or in first contact the moon is populated and yet in every shot of the moon it is Barron. Locutus of Borg calls Data obsolete and then the Borg Queen calls data her equal or in first contact when Picard says there are 24 decks and the crewman says the Borg control decks 26 through to 11 or data is talking about the ventral shielding on deck 29 or how money is obsolete, except it isn't except it is except it isn't. Eliminated hunger and want... except on Yars home planet... for some reason. Data dodges lasers but gets shot by Troy with a bow and arrow. Bullet proof in generations but not arrow proof. Data doesn't use contractions... except he does. Oh and my personal favouriteua-cam.com/video/PIGxMENwq1k/v-deo.html But hey you hold the new Star Trek shows to a standard you do not hold the old shows to. Tell me are you a moron or a hypocrite?
@@bfg3890 oh no the TNG movies are also horrible. bad examples there buuudddddddddy boy. also I do hold old trek to the same standards thats why I can't watch voyager with the multiple times they beam through shields. like thats a fundamental thing with trek. YOU CANT BEAM THROUGH SHIELDS. they do it constantly. BUT lets go with the romulans in picard. their controlled part of the alpha quadrant is bigger than the one the federation got. their technology seems to be at least on par with the federation. well the warbirds are bigger and have cloaking so maybe they are better. they show IN PICARD a fleet of 200 ships by A SECRET SECRET romulan organization. Which implies there are ressources enough to build gigantic fleets even for niche parts of romulan culture. also they work on a borg cube. SO WITH ALL THAT mr smarty pants, can you tell me why they needed the federation to help with the evacuation? WITH ALL THAT COULD YOU TELL ME WHY THE ROMULANS SEEM TO BE DETERATING ON A PLANET AND APPEAR STRANDED!? I tell you why. Alex Kurtzman thinks the romulans had one planet and thats it. as soon as the planet was wiped out it was game over for the romulans. except in the SAME SHOW WE SEE A 200 SHIP FLEET LOOOOOOOOL Literally go fuck yourself you nutrek apologist. the show sucks IN ITSELF no need to list inconsistencies with old trek.
@@defmore5099 1) The fate of Romulus is down to JJ Abrams, not Kurtzman dumbass. 2) You will be alone forever 3) We can probably all agree that the supernova that threatened Romulus came about more quickly than anyone expected, for reasons which are still unknown. Normally, you'd have a very long time to prepare for a supernova destroying your planet. So for whatever reason, you've got a shortened time element here. Also probably the Romulans kept it quiet for a long time, knowing the Romulans. So maybe they could have evacuated everyone with their own resources, they just didn't have enough time.
Sadly the DS9 idiot writers are no better because they were the dumb idiots who introduced canons when phasers were clearly the superior weaponry. But dumb as shit DS9 writers were all subversive hacks so they had to subvert everything about TNG including the phaser banks.
There already were continuity errors in TNG regarding the Romulans and Cybernetics (depending on a superficial read of the situation) so it would have been difficult.
Wow, it's as if the ST Picard team just made up facts to fit the story they wanted to create! Kurtzman claims it's impossible to stick to canon... What he really means is that would have been impossible for him to follow the established facts of the Star Trek Universe AND produce the story HE wanted ... ugh 😣 He should have never been allowed to have such control. Write a damn fanfic and move on!
@@ShadowSonic2 no. It's clearly an issue. Hell the hobus mica should not he an issue. Romulans have a large fleet and can evacuate Romulus easily. But Abrams needed to trigger his universe.
With Kurtzman anything goes, so yes for him, it is impossible to stick to Canon, because he does not want to be bothered, and wants his story his own way.
Pretty sure Kurtzman went to the D&D school of writing... The Romulans kind of forgot that they are a functional star faring race with ships that can somehow mask their presence while using micro bloody black holes as power sources but somehow don't explode/implode. Only an AI/really advanced compute could manage all those variables
Picard is presumably an alternate future. Yes, the Romulan sun went supernova in Picard. That is in the future of STNG & Voyager. It is also in the future of the Star Trek movie starring Chris Pine directed by J.J. Abrams. So we are dealing with a split timeline. There are speculations in Quantum Mechanics that deal with multi-verses that would work this way.
I've never understood the need to make sweeping statements such as that in gigantic (fictional universes). They could've easily said, "certain romulans don't like AI" and things would be perfectly fine
I wish Seth McFarlane along with people who had worked on the show previously were tasked with the Star Trek revival. It feels like people who hate Star Trek are in charge. Where’s the bright optimistic future? The thought provoking stories? The ethical codes? The moral allegories? The integrity of star fleet?
Looks like a fragment of Picard got sent to a parallel universe and was forgotten about by Q, just to be exposition dumped by the inhabitants of that universe and constantly talked down to...
The Kelvin timeline and the discovery timeline(s) messed thing up really bad. They should have done Axanar and forgot about the Kelvin timeline..maybe bring in Seth McFarlane..
I also seem to remember quite clearly an episode where Tomalak tried to fool Riker into signing some treaty by creating a holodeck-simulation of an "future Enterprise-D" with Captain Picard being Admiral already and all. This seems also counter-intuitive then...
@@ShadowSonic2 Exactly, the original run of shows and movies had tons of continuity errors! even the wrath of Kahn. Kahn recognized Checkov even though he wasn't on the enterprise when Kahn last showed up
I'd argue that Robo Spock isn't an AI. I'd also argue that because Romulan society is weary of AI, doesn't mean that there aren't limited androids in use. Think of the holograms that were "liberated" holograms that Nuu'bari used as miners. They were dumber than a bag of rocks!
They easily could have reworded her speech to be something like "have you ever noticed the complete elimination of synthetic life in Romulan culture? We have wiped AI and cybernetics completely out of our culture and no longer pursue it." Something like that and it would have made it work. Fear caused them to drop all pursuit of AI, cybernetic or synthetic life.
It's up to fans and Orville now. Sad days when Star Trek is more like Star Wars, and Star Wars is more like Star Trek.(The new High Republic series is VERY star trek in flavor)
I would argue that TNG had its own canon hiccups. In TOS the Romulans were the warrior race, and the Klingons were like space imperialists. Admittedly the issue is slightly confused by two separate TOS episodes about a weird experimental weapon wielded by the Romulans, and one episode hinting that Klingons with disabilities are dealt with ruthlessly, but overall I would say that TNG's portrayal of those races is flat-out wrong.
Meh, that aside, I still liked "Picard." It was worth watching. I'd watch another season of it. No show is perfect, and Trek screws up it's own lore all the time. Writers never care as much as fans.
Well theoretically, one could argue that the Romulans were lying in those past instances, just to get a closer look at (the Federation's) ongoing AI research. After all they did help set up a whole Borg cube facility for such a purpose.
It’s not that you can’t make the romulans racist. Or racist against ai. They pretty much already are. But you can’t make them outright hostile. Like, they’re amoral logic. That’s the concept.
I'm pretty sure that retroactive continuity is canonical with ST having temporal agents. The future's past changes to fit its present, not being necessarily the same as the past that was experienced before.
@@ShadowSonic2 I am sure they had many mistakes, just none of them smacked you over the head repeatedly like this new era of Trek does. If they had balls they would have set this in a NEW timeline where they CAN make changes and it would not be AS bad. Examples would be appreciated as I can't think of any of the top of my hat.
I think there is a big difference between A.I. that can't walk out of an controlled zone, androids can go everywhere, can't be deactivate by an computer...
It was not the Romulans from my understanding, at least not as a whole but a certain segment of Romulan culture that was afraid of cybernetics, in Picard series.
Me as EMH: Please state the nature of the Medical Emergency, Romulan woman:Can u treat him? Me as EMH: Yes I could Treat him but I have no way to take him to a nice restraunt to buy him dinner plus im not gay unless my programmer wants me to be.He'll have to eat what everybody else eats. Romulan woman:Shut up before I deactivate u. Me as EMH: go ahead but then Ur friend will die. Romulan woman turns away Me as EMH: (grabs Hypospray and disables the woman and puts her body in the morgue and destroys her Combage):Hums I've been working on the Railroad and cares for the Romulan thats Injured
Depends if they counted holograms as life. And also what the "cyberneticists" would want to do the data. Could be canonical depending on how you view things.
@@1993bahamut Missing the point - The statement was that there are no Romulans who study and understand cybernetics. Geordi was controlled via Romulan understanding of his cybernetic implants
this happens when a writer who is not a fan of or has not even watched the show they are writing for. It happened to Star Trek and Star Wars and when you start looking you will see it more and more
Picard sets out that the Zhat Vash has an issue with synthetic life forms, not with AI. The Zhat Vash has then filtered its fear into Romulan society as a whole. There’s also a gap of decades between VOY and Picard when the Romulan may have dumbed down their computers - the Hobus supernova destroyed much of their civilisation don’t forget. The two series are compatible with one storyline if you look at it like that.
Not really because A.I. is lobbed in with synthetic life forms during the speech. It is still inferred that this view has been there for a very long time and not decades.
There are such things as off the books, military funded SECRET activities; like the Tal Shi'arr, and Section 31, and the Jhadd Vash. One could surmise that the existence of secrets makes this a moot argument.
I didn't really hop on board with the shows explanation but this was one specific branch of Romulan Tal Shiar called the "Zhat Vash" I suppose it could be seen like the Masons One isolated branch could be anti AI, where the rest of them are like sheep. Or Section 31 quietly adjusting the federation in the back ground to suit their own interests..
To be fair, Romulan Culture is varied. The colony those two are from was much more agrarian, and being Tal Shiar, it's possible they were recruited very young, if not born into it. I'll admit there are plot holes, but if nobody's had a seizure from the Klingon back and forth, y'all ought to be fine.
Obviously the writers of Picard never watched any Star Trek before landing that job. You'd think Sir Patrick would have noticed the discrepancy and voiced his opinion on the matter.
The holographic Spock wasn't an AI. It was a simple computer program, not smarter than a holodeck. And I doubt they'd consider the EMH an AI or intelligent of any kind, simply a tool akin to Microsoft Word's wizards.
All they had to do was write Picard as an _origin_ story. That's it, that's all they had to do. But no, it was better to just waltz right on in to unfamiliar territory and try to continue expanding on things they aren't familiar enough with, and THEN they wonder how things went wrong.
I do wonder if there's some distinction that could be worked in to things so that there's some sort of "low AI" and some sort of "high AI". I'm not excusing the writing gap, but in my mind I'm trying to think that maybe there is limited cybernetics research, not to use it, but to combat it.
In an effort to compete with Disney, Paramount Plus has thrown canon and prior history away just like Disney did with Star Wars. What's sad is Season 1 of Picard could have been really good if they hadn't taken the idea so far. The plot resolution being RoboPicard was just stupid. It's like a second grader wrote it.
When TNG changed the Klingons, they did it in a very different way. Much of what you see in original Klingons, you see in TNG Klingons. The writers built upon what was there and, in doing so, created a truly sophisticated backstory for the culture. I respect Berman and co for TNG, DS9, and Voyager because they expanded on what they found in the Star Trek universe already. I respect Roddenberry because while some of his story lines were pretty wonky, they were well and truly original. The guy created at least three distinct sci-fi universes quite unlike anything that anyone had seen before. But these writers? They didn't have Roddenberry's confidence to create a distinct universe for their story. They didn't have Berman's resourcefulness to build their story out of the universe that was already there without tearing it up first.
Not quite: it misses a part of Trek lore Federation computer systems are "Isolinear Circuitry" in universe - They are essentially synthetic brain tissue, fed by synthetic gel packs, and so can adapt all components to any task with time What she is saying is that Romulan Computers are still "Duotronic" meaning that their computers have discrete components, eg as we would understand them actual separate processing cores
Even standard AI is purely numerical, and uses normal 'computers'. For the complexity of all the shit they get them to do, they would be stuffed full of at least AI, and possibly have to all use AGIs for the stuff these computers can manage, unless they have very complex AIs.
The hostile and conqueror Romulan Empire not using/studying cybernetics or artificial intelligence, while surrounded by hundreds of alien species that do, it would be like the Soviet Union not pursuing nuclear weapons/technology while surrounded by hostile powers that do.
@Lady Wanderer they used guns, yes, but the shogun banned any further research as well as importing newer guns (which is why they were so behind in the 19th century)
Man/machine interface requires enormous understanding of how electronics can send/receive signals to the brain. Understanding that is the first step to mapping the brain to a digital format or recreating neurons using bio-mechanical means, or a positronic matrix like with Data. Soong was not just a cyberneticist, he also was and advanced study of biology.
@@therabbits69 Nah, it's not really too far off. The sweeping concrete statements made in Picard that are contradicted by previous iterations of Trek are hard to ignore. The fact that there are Romulans, not Vulcans, separating people from the Borg cybernetics in the same show make it seem like the writers just don't know what the hell they're doing.
He was being yelled at because he had somehow become the exemplar of another time, a time when people were more hopeful, optimistic, and always strove to better themselves. But that time had passed, now is the time for demands and assertions, and as is the case with the show's creators, the wisdom of clowns and watered-down drugs and "vapes." Today is all about yelling at the wise man, "I'm better than you," simply because they think they've seen more "stuff" today than the wise man of old who actually has too many important things to say. But today, no one wants to hear wisdom when they've got all those "memes" (which, literally, still means nothing). Yes, we've got all this technology, privilege, and ease of access to everything, but it's the worst time to live in. I should be ready to kill myself any day now.
@@wayfaringshaman Meh. Every other time looks pretty garbage to me too. Disease, bigotry, and even many aspects of pollution were much worse in previous generations.
@@wayfaringshaman “Children; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. They no longer rise when elders enter the room, they contradict their parents and tyrannize their teachers. Children are now tyrants.” - Socrates, 400 BC
@@wayfaringshaman These are hard and decadent times, but there's always something worth living for. I hope you find it and live healthy and blissful life.
This is when you notice that Star Trek Online is more faithful to the lore than all this new stuff.
they are more accurate to a brighter and still darker Age of Trek...
more War but still... more hope!
Thats what Trek is about.. a brighter future!
@Rex makepeace if u dislike playing it, then maybe just watch some videos about it ^^
@@Lightwrath1994 That's what i'd recommend. The game used to be at least decent, but over the years, it's turned to overly complicated shit. And for those of you who might question if i ever played it, i pre-ordered it, and hold a lifetime sub.. u can't get those anymore. The writing is still pretty good, but it's absolutely no fun to play anymore....at least for me.
Be happy you get "new stuff" at all my dude, we haven't really gotten a new prime universe show in like what, 20 years?
@@Zeemis So, basically, accept the crap we feed you and be happy about it?
It's almost like they just wanted to insert the Romulans into the Data/android storyline and had no idea how to do it right.
They don't have any idea how to do anything right...
You know a far, far more interesting plot would have been if the Romulans recovered enough of data (and not just the two neuron thing.. Jesus) that they were able to use Borg technology to basically turn the cube into an android factory and actually try to use the androids in some nefarious plot and/or slave labor. Then in traditional Trek fashion, the heroes work not to just destroy the androids but liberate them from the Romulans. If you want Star Fleet being assholes that don't want to help, just have them hide behind the prime directive thing (i.e. 'We can't tell another culture how to treat their androids'), which also gives Picard a reason to get involved as having been a defender of their rights. Instead of .. this.
@@BlazingOwnager
This is - by *far* - a better story pitch than the actual show's and in fact than the TNG movies' as well.
So I guess there is an answer to the question "Who would come with a better ST story idea? An experienced team of writers and producers with input from the show's main star? Or one youtube boi?"
@@Koshiro2k3 Nah, his idea is merely using aliens as 100% the bad guys and all the conflict coming from them instead of flawed human characters
@@ShadowSonic2 Well that's an easy issue to fix. Go with the slave labor idea, and have the reasoning for the Romulans doing it be that they are using android labor to help rebuild their fractured empire since the Federation won't help them, and taking that slave labor away would set back their reconstruction efforts by decades, possibly even centuries. That gives the Romulans a somewhat sympathetic reason for their actions, and adds a layer of moral ambiguity to the whole situation: is liberating artificial life just if doing so would prolong the suffering of their creators?
I could imagine the Klingons take this stance on AI but the Romulans? They're never one to pass over an advantage.
True, i think the klingon see no honor in ai etc.
@@MauR1CEnl I think they would find holodecks very useful. they probably did use them, but I don't know enough about Star Trek to know.
Kirk and his crew used them, so they've been around a while.
@@Dirtfire Archer introduced them to holodeck tech and in DS9 they use it for training/recreation. And by recreation I mean killing.
Maybe the Roms were smart enough to see the dangers of AI? They seem like a pretty sharp species, and they are keen on self-preservation, which humanity is not.
@@Patriotgal1 that's roughly like saying because you see the dangers of micro organisms you're not going to study micro organisms at all. It's a dumb stance.
In "The Mind's Eye", the Romulans were using a holodeck aboard one of their warbirds to test Geordi La Forge's ability to carry out their assassination orders. They were using holographic characters programmed with artificial intelligence.
ST:P showrunners forgot to watch that episode. I bet they didn't watch the entire TNG either.
Wasnt ST-p written and directed by Frakes and Stewart?
I remember when the Romulans were a race that wasn't that different from ours, and they made compelling villains because they had clear and relatable motives. Now they're some kind of exotic space-Asian culture with strange traditions and nonsensical backstory. It's a wonder they even made it into space when they're not busy grooming space bonsai plants or hiding behind fake doors.
They are named Romulans. They are a literal space paralel to Romans and their rampant imperialism, expansionism and xenophobia. I wonder how idiotic one has to be to turn them into space Asians.
They're basically a stand-in for the USSR/China
What makes it even funnier is that they had a lot of similarities with Roman culture, as opposed to what STP made them.
I think a case can be made that they are really chafing from being forced to work within preexisting IP, but that is all the industry will gamble on anymore.
Everyone loses. Everyone's the victim.
I wanted to give you a like but then I have changed my mind because I don't want to ruin the balance of that magical number of 222 likes you already have...
The Federation has always been at war with Oceania and the Romulans have always been at war with the androids.
Great comment.
Anyone who thinks differently is guilty of a thought crime! err, I mean, doesn't like diversity or something...
The party's final, and most severe command.
"We don't have androids or AI, we don't study cybernetics"
"I know a host of romulan cyberneticists" 😂😂😂
I mean they did lose their homeworld, maybe all their cyberneticists lived in one place, or were at a conference when the supernova happened.
Just... incredibly bad timing.
@@LostieTrekieTechie And poor memory of their own species history. Not to mention an unexplainable complete change in their species mentality.
@@LostieTrekieTechie Romulans had a star empire, the destruction of their main planet would harm them, but wouldn't do much to an entire branch of science. If you nuked Silicon Valley, it would harm the IT industry, but it wouldn't change the way we use IT in the rest of the world. In an evolved society, it is impossible to have all the knowledge and brain power behind an entire scientific field in one place. Even in a relatively ancient societies on earth, the destruction of a library was a harm to science, but it wasn't the end of it. The burning of library of Alexandria is seen as heavily devastating, but it didn't ruin unique documents as all of them had copies.
The Romulans are based on Rome. Rome was abandoned as a capital of it's empire, it was sacked, it fell into ruin, the most luxurious districts became pastures for goats, in the forum, people were building primitive mud brick huts reinforced with fragments of ancient statues, but now, 1500 years later we still have their language, people can easily read it, science uses it, we have all the Roman technical knowledge and a huge chunk of it's literature.
The high civilisations of ancient Americas were wiped out, only very few people survived and their culture was destroyed, but we still use pretty much everything they developed in terms of agriculture (peanut butter, Maze, potatoes in all it's variants, Llamas...).
3:12 "I know a host of romulan cyberneticists" >>> "We don't study cybernetics."
@Lady Wanderer They were curious about how to kill him, that's all
@@ShadowSonic2 Yeah, because somehow that's the only thing cyberneticists interested in.
@@ShadowSonic2 You're reaching... really really hard.
@@PaiSAMSEN Those particular ones, yes.
@@rashaudolson5654 The one reaching is Major Grin.
Alex Kurtzman: sorry what I'm too busy over here writing about a ninja running around beheading people with a sword
Honestly, that's the part that I thought was most plausible.
If he had access to a personal-cloaking device that prevented others from finding him via sensors the use of a sword would make the most sense since an energy discharge would show up instantly on their internal sensor net. Firearms would be too loud, and any other energy weapon would show. The best option would be "Medieval" weapons as they're muscle powered. That means knives and short swords for assassination work.
I love Sir Patrick Stewart, but my goodness was Picard awful.
It was a complete disgrace to star trek. SJWs, introducing alcoholic and mental illnesses, spam adverts, swearing. None of this reflects the evolved nature of humanity which we saw all the time in other ST stories. Worst of Patrick Stewart sold us out and aligned himself with the progressives, and in doing so pissed on all of us and his prestigious ST acting career.
@@mrtappyasmr7702 I'd hate to admit that you're right... So I'll just be in the next room, re-watching TNG for the millionth time 🖖🏼☺️
@@VictorythroughUnity59 Remember the good times! Im running through DS9 and TNG clips most nights on UA-cam.
@@mrtappyasmr7702 Get Netflix and you can watch ALLLL SEASONS of these and more, my fellow Treke
@@mrtappyasmr7702 Lol, Picard isn't bad because it's "progressive". It was actually far less progressive than the original Star Trek. Need I remind you that The Federation is essentially a communist utopia where things like currency and wealth accumulation don't exist.
See all the new "Star trek" Shows were made without any care or thought of the old shows. They are trying to pander to a new crowd and throwing out the old fans
The old shows did not care much about the older ones either. TOS even contradicts itself. Remember how early TOS has human and vulcan "merchants" (e.g. Trouble with Tribbles, Errand of Mercy), but then it turns out Earth and Vulcan don't have money...?
They're not even pandering to a new crowd really, because it's hard to figure out who this new stuff is for in the first place. It's not like each new generation of humans are radically different from the previous ones, so the rules for good writing don't really change much...
@@KonradTheWizzard The *Federation* doesn't deal with money, which really isn't established until TNG, which takes place after TOS. There might've actually been a transition period.
Even if that was the case in during TOS, other species do, so some merchant stuff would still have to be done.
@@KonradTheWizzard Trader doesn't mean they deal only in money. They could be literally trading their stock for other stock. It's the same way Voyager kept it's supplies running.
Different universe....only reason I'd accept, but they insist on trying to shoehorn this trash into canon.
A different universe does make more sense than saying that Star Trek Discovery and Picard are part of the Gene Roddenberry Star Trek. Just like with J.J. Abrams Star Trek, his movies are in another universe, and not in Gene Roddenberry Star Trek's past.
Why accept it?
I agree. I have no objection to an alt u darker Trek. In TNG “parallels “ we discovered there were many such universes very close to the original trek universe. Why not mine that idea for “different Trek”? But trying to force something so non Trek into the original universe in order to cash in on an established fan base will not win over said fan base. All of NuCBS Trek is not real trek
@@CrankyGrandma Oh grow up, you sound like the buffoons who whined when TNG itself started
@@Yasuda9000 discovery even misused words like prime universe.
Geordi's line at the closing fit perfectly
"Our computers are limited to purely numerical functions" - you mean like a calculator? 1 + 1 = 2? Or what is that supposed to mean?
@Lady Wanderer I would assume computers in the 24th century are quantum computers, but they would work with numerical functions of cause.
Maybe the positronic brains are a totally different thing?
Complex calculation, but not avoiding an AI to became sentient
Let's throw in a bit of real computer science - shall we? Everything modern computers do is purely numerical. The entirety of Computer Science is built on the foundations of numerical theory (a branch of mathematics). Even Siri or Alexa or your super smart navigation device or the "magic" Google search engine perform purely numerical functions. They simulate text processing, voice recognition, image recognition and so on by performing mathematical transformations on long strings of numbers.
As of yet it is completely unknown what is necessary to build a true A.I. like Data or Lore - we do not know whether it can be achieved numerically or whether it needs some magic "positronic brain" that does something else to work.
So from today's point of view it is perfectly possible that A.I. hating Romulans do have 21st century style "AI", basically a bunch of heuristics stringed together, but no true AI that can think for itself.
BTW: cybernetics is the study of control systems, not specifically the study of A.I. It just happens that today A.I. is usually studied as feedback control systems. The word just sounds cool when misapplied to futuristic concepts. ;)
If you can just get yourself to ignore all those hundreds of inconsistencies and the bullshit techno-babble in ANY Star Trek show then you might realize that it is about the current human condition and it does actually do a very good job of holding a mirror to our faces. Sometimes it does this so uncomfortably close.... right?
@@KonradTheWizzard The issue is that there is no reason to believe true AGIs cannot be achieved with "purely numerical" computers. Quantum computers may or may not help, but in the end it's just a matter of how much processing power you throw at it.
@@KonradTheWizzard Not really. When was the modern world ever akin to the Federation? There is little point holding up a mirror to our faces if it doesn't explore how our world came to be. History didn't begin with the Romulan supernova, Martian massacre or some modern equivalent. Picard never explored how the federation had degenerated in to a slave owning society before either of these events happened although this was already becoming the case in Voyager's run.
Love your vids. Is it a labor of love? I always reference your channel whenever I get into arguments with STD and Picard defenders.
Holy shit! There's STD and Picard defenders?
How could they possibly defend these absolute abominations?
@David Stachon The main ST subreddit is highly policed by company men, so comment shilling or not there’s a regulated hive mind mentality out of there that STD and Picard are the bee’s knees.
@@david.stachon Because they are good shows as long as you're not a crybaby
@@ShadowSonic2 and as long as you literally shut down your brain watching it.
@@PaiSAMSEN "I don't have counter arguments to show why the show is actually good so I have to resort to name calling" Schlock jocks
I am more amazed with how an entire borg cube was disabled with space flowers.
I love how when Dune came back into play a couple years ago, all sci-fi franchises written afterwards all tried to find a way to insert societies with no AIs in it😂😂
All the more proof that people behind modern Trek don't know their Star Trek.
Yes and like when Scotty thought Kirk pulled the Enterprise out of Mothballs in TNG when he was there when he died in generations or when data says he does not have enough bouncy then says he is designed to act as a flotation device or when troy says she never kissed Riker with a beard before even though she had kissed him numerous times with a beard or trilitihim being an experimental compound the Romulans were working on then its a waste product of the Enterprises engines or in first contact the moon is populated and yet in every shot of the moon it is Barron. Locutus of Borg calls Data obsolete and then the Borg Queen calls data her equal or in first contact when Picard says there are 24 decks and the crewman says the Borg control decks 26 through to 11 or data is talking about the ventral shielding on deck 29 or how money is obsolete, except it isn't except it is except it isn't. Eliminated hunger and want... except on Yars home planet... for some reason. Data dodges lasers but gets shot by Troy with a bow and arrow. Bullet proof in generations but not arrow proof. Data doesn't use contractions... except he does.
Oh and my personal favouriteua-cam.com/video/PIGxMENwq1k/v-deo.html
But hey you hold the new Star Trek shows to a standard you do not hold the old shows to. Tell me are you a moron or a hypocrite?
true
The entire plot is literally ripped off from Mass Effect.
@@bfg3890 oh no the TNG movies are also horrible. bad examples there buuudddddddddy boy. also I do hold old trek to the same standards thats why I can't watch voyager with the multiple times they beam through shields. like thats a fundamental thing with trek. YOU CANT BEAM THROUGH SHIELDS. they do it constantly.
BUT lets go with the romulans in picard. their controlled part of the alpha quadrant is bigger than the one the federation got. their technology seems to be at least on par with the federation. well the warbirds are bigger and have cloaking so maybe they are better. they show IN PICARD a fleet of 200 ships by A SECRET SECRET romulan organization. Which implies there are ressources enough to build gigantic fleets even for niche parts of romulan culture. also they work on a borg cube. SO WITH ALL THAT mr smarty pants, can you tell me why they needed the federation to help with the evacuation? WITH ALL THAT COULD YOU TELL ME WHY THE ROMULANS SEEM TO BE DETERATING ON A PLANET AND APPEAR STRANDED!? I tell you why. Alex Kurtzman thinks the romulans had one planet and thats it. as soon as the planet was wiped out it was game over for the romulans. except in the SAME SHOW WE SEE A 200 SHIP FLEET LOOOOOOOOL
Literally go fuck yourself you nutrek apologist. the show sucks IN ITSELF no need to list inconsistencies with old trek.
@@defmore5099
1) The fate of Romulus is down to JJ Abrams, not Kurtzman dumbass.
2) You will be alone forever
3) We can probably all agree that the supernova that threatened Romulus came about more quickly than anyone expected, for reasons which are still unknown. Normally, you'd have a very long time to prepare for a supernova destroying your planet. So for whatever reason, you've got a shortened time element here. Also probably the Romulans kept it quiet for a long time, knowing the Romulans. So maybe they could have evacuated everyone with their own resources, they just didn't have enough time.
1:37 when someone asks me what I think of ST: Picard.
Agreed!
They probably believe "Canon" is a type of weapon in the Star Trek Universe
Sadly the DS9 idiot writers are no better because they were the dumb idiots who introduced canons when phasers were clearly the superior weaponry. But dumb as shit DS9 writers were all subversive hacks so they had to subvert everything about TNG including the phaser banks.
to them canon is a weapon to be destroyed and rebuilt to be used as a cudgel to beat fans into submission.
😂@@Shiirow
It's like the new stuff was written by Pakleds. "We look for things to make our shows go."
And this all could have been avoided if they just hired a continuity checker.
Nah, the gatekeeper fans would have hated it anyways
There already were continuity errors in TNG regarding the Romulans and Cybernetics (depending on a superficial read of the situation) so it would have been difficult.
just hire a youtuber ... less money still good result.
@@ShadowSonic2 You are autism incarnate
Wow, it's as if the ST Picard team just made up facts to fit the story they wanted to create! Kurtzman claims it's impossible to stick to canon... What he really means is that would have been impossible for him to follow the established facts of the Star Trek Universe AND produce the story HE wanted ... ugh 😣 He should have never been allowed to have such control. Write a damn fanfic and move on!
No, it all fit. Grin thinks out of context clips can support his agenda
@@ShadowSonic2 no. It's clearly an issue. Hell the hobus mica should not he an issue. Romulans have a large fleet and can evacuate Romulus easily. But Abrams needed to trigger his universe.
With Kurtzman anything goes, so yes for him, it is impossible to stick to Canon, because he does not want to be bothered, and wants his story his own way.
Yea ST:Picard was a joke, it just used parts of star trek with a completly unconnected story
Just like every other Trek
Pretty sure Kurtzman went to the D&D school of writing... The Romulans kind of forgot that they are a functional star faring race with ships that can somehow mask their presence while using micro bloody black holes as power sources but somehow don't explode/implode. Only an AI/really advanced compute could manage all those variables
Which still doesn't mean they have androids, that's the point.
@@ShadowSonic2 They do have A.I. though did you watch the video? Face it kid these new shows are garbage.
Picard is presumably an alternate future. Yes, the Romulan sun went supernova in Picard. That is in the future of STNG & Voyager. It is also in the future of the Star Trek movie starring Chris Pine directed by J.J. Abrams. So we are dealing with a split timeline. There are speculations in Quantum Mechanics that deal with multi-verses that would work this way.
None of this establishes AI in the sense of that in Picard, except the scene with Data, and even that scene showed a keen distain for Androids.
Secret Hideout seems almost proud of not getting story beats or lore about Star Trek correct.
In Star Trek: Picard, only a specific sect of Romulans did not like/trust A.I.
That holographic Spock was just a programmed recording, not an AI.
I've never understood the need to make sweeping statements such as that in gigantic (fictional universes). They could've easily said, "certain romulans don't like AI" and things would be perfectly fine
The Spock hologram is revealed to be a simple recording with no ability to answer questions after the speech. That's not AI
I mean in TNG picard fought for android to be treated like autonomous sentient beings but in Picard we have Data slaves all over the place.
Just another case of the writers not knowing what they're doing.
It looked like Picard wanted to interrupt but remembered his little chat "... pure fkn hubris ..." and "stfu!"
STP, where all of the things are wrong.
edit: that ending was perfect!
dude, you are on fire with these videos.
I wish Seth McFarlane along with people who had worked on the show previously were tasked with the Star Trek revival.
It feels like people who hate Star Trek are in charge.
Where’s the bright optimistic future? The thought provoking stories? The ethical codes? The moral allegories? The integrity of star fleet?
Looks like a fragment of Picard got sent to a parallel universe and was forgotten about by Q, just to be exposition dumped by the inhabitants of that universe and constantly talked down to...
The Kelvin timeline and the discovery timeline(s) messed thing up really bad. They should have done Axanar and forgot about the Kelvin timeline..maybe bring in Seth McFarlane..
Haha I was just watching VOY episode Message In A Bottle the other day. I thought having Andy Dick as the EMH was priceless.
I also seem to remember quite clearly an episode where Tomalak tried to fool Riker into signing some treaty by creating a holodeck-simulation of an "future Enterprise-D" with Captain Picard being Admiral already and all. This seems also counter-intuitive then...
I never saw so many continuity error....what a mess
TNG and TOS had just as many. Grin just hates Modern TV in general
@@ShadowSonic2 Exactly, the original run of shows and movies had tons of continuity errors! even the wrath of Kahn. Kahn recognized Checkov even though he wasn't on the enterprise when Kahn last showed up
I'd argue that Robo Spock isn't an AI. I'd also argue that because Romulan society is weary of AI, doesn't mean that there aren't limited androids in use. Think of the holograms that were "liberated" holograms that Nuu'bari used as miners. They were dumber than a bag of rocks!
wouldn't "pure loathing" include that?
@Lady Wanderer The Feds were already mistreating AI before that. It was merely the straw that broke the camel's back.
The alternate time line with Chris Pine is A good excuse for the duality of Romulans in that and this new timeline
They easily could have reworded her speech to be something like "have you ever noticed the complete elimination of synthetic life in Romulan culture? We have wiped AI and cybernetics completely out of our culture and no longer pursue it." Something like that and it would have made it work. Fear caused them to drop all pursuit of AI, cybernetic or synthetic life.
Have you ever noticed how Romulans over the years switched from American to Irish accents? 😅
Face it Star Trek never coming back, the whole production and crew is gone and they were 95% what made it
It's up to fans and Orville now. Sad days when Star Trek is more like Star Wars, and Star Wars is more like Star Trek.(The new High Republic series is VERY star trek in flavor)
I would argue that TNG had its own canon hiccups. In TOS the Romulans were the warrior race, and the Klingons were like space imperialists. Admittedly the issue is slightly confused by two separate TOS episodes about a weird experimental weapon wielded by the Romulans, and one episode hinting that Klingons with disabilities are dealt with ruthlessly, but overall I would say that TNG's portrayal of those races is flat-out wrong.
@@jackalenterprisesofohio I don't see the connection
It is an interesting montage - the way you combined clips suggests some serious consistency issues in STP.
Meh, that aside, I still liked "Picard." It was worth watching. I'd watch another season of it. No show is perfect, and Trek screws up it's own lore all the time. Writers never care as much as fans.
"...it's not simply hate - it's hate and fear and pure loathing..." - the Kurtzman Principle of Life.
She must be from the Irish part of Romulus, they really do get everywhere.
Well theoretically, one could argue that the Romulans were lying in those past instances, just to get a closer look at (the Federation's) ongoing AI research. After all they did help set up a whole Borg cube facility for such a purpose.
It’s not that you can’t make the romulans racist. Or racist against ai. They pretty much already are. But you can’t make them outright hostile. Like, they’re amoral logic. That’s the concept.
I'm pretty sure that retroactive continuity is canonical with ST having temporal agents. The future's past changes to fit its present, not being necessarily the same as the past that was experienced before.
the temporal agents prevent such changes
2:27 That Romulan guy sounds almost like Maurice LaMarche.
Wait....ANOTHER Star Trek Picard F Up? Noooooooooooo It can't be!...Shock of all shocks!
You'd be amazed how many screw up TNG had
@@ShadowSonic2 name, like a few of the major ones then?....
@@ShadowSonic2 I am sure they had many mistakes, just none of them smacked you over the head repeatedly like this new era of Trek does.
If they had balls they would have set this in a NEW timeline where they CAN make changes and it would not be AS bad.
Examples would be appreciated as I can't think of any of the top of my hat.
I think there is a big difference between A.I. that can't walk out of an controlled zone, androids can go everywhere, can't be deactivate by an computer...
The fact is most viewers either don't notice or care about these continuity errors
It’s almost as if the writers of Picard weren’t aware of anything that came before and where themselves making everything up as they went along.
It was not the Romulans from my understanding, at least not as a whole but a certain segment of Romulan culture that was afraid of cybernetics, in Picard series.
Me as EMH: Please state the nature of the Medical Emergency, Romulan woman:Can u treat him? Me as EMH: Yes I could Treat him but I have no way to take him to a nice restraunt to buy him dinner plus im not gay unless my programmer wants me to be.He'll have to eat what everybody else eats. Romulan woman:Shut up before I deactivate u. Me as EMH: go ahead but then Ur friend will die. Romulan woman turns away Me as EMH: (grabs Hypospray and disables the woman and puts her body in the morgue and destroys her Combage):Hums I've been working on the Railroad and cares for the Romulan thats Injured
Depends if they counted holograms as life. And also what the "cyberneticists" would want to do the data. Could be canonical depending on how you view things.
true but that doesn't explain other parts, such as when Geordi was mind controlled via his visor being hacked by a Romulun cyberneticist
@@bengrogan9710 didn't involve AIs, just mind control. Still different.
@@1993bahamut Missing the point -
The statement was that there are no Romulans who study and understand cybernetics.
Geordi was controlled via Romulan understanding of his cybernetic implants
just like at school, when you did not read the book but write the essay anyway...
Thank you for these videos. Keep exposing what Kurtzman and his hacks have done to Trek.
this happens when a writer who is not a fan of or has not even watched the show they are writing for. It happened to Star Trek and Star Wars and when you start looking you will see it more and more
The Picard romulan those ears are huge 😂
Picard sets out that the Zhat Vash has an issue with synthetic life forms, not with AI. The Zhat Vash has then filtered its fear into Romulan society as a whole. There’s also a gap of decades between VOY and Picard when the Romulan may have dumbed down their computers - the Hobus supernova destroyed much of their civilisation don’t forget. The two series are compatible with one storyline if you look at it like that.
Not really because A.I. is lobbed in with synthetic life forms during the speech. It is still inferred that this view has been there for a very long time and not decades.
There are such things as off the books, military funded SECRET activities; like the Tal Shi'arr, and Section 31, and the Jhadd Vash. One could surmise that the existence of secrets makes this a moot argument.
even these short clips from STP are just painful to watch
I didn't really hop on board with the shows explanation but this was one specific branch of Romulan Tal Shiar called the "Zhat Vash"
I suppose it could be seen like the Masons
One isolated branch could be anti AI, where the rest of them are like sheep.
Or Section 31 quietly adjusting the federation in the back ground to suit their own interests..
Yes, but she was refering to the irish part or romulus...
So British Romulans are fine, but not Irish ones?
Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't The Romulans use a drone in Enterprise?
To be fair, Romulan Culture is varied. The colony those two are from was much more agrarian, and being Tal Shiar, it's possible they were recruited very young, if not born into it. I'll admit there are plot holes, but if nobody's had a seizure from the Klingon back and forth, y'all ought to be fine.
You cant expect people to dig into the history and lore of a franchise after all.
Obviously the writers of Picard never watched any Star Trek before landing that job.
You'd think Sir Patrick would have noticed the discrepancy and voiced his opinion on the matter.
There goes Major Grin, pointing out more of the massive, massive flaws and plot holes in New Trek. AKA, Shit Trek.
The holographic Spock wasn't an AI. It was a simple computer program, not smarter than a holodeck. And I doubt they'd consider the EMH an AI or intelligent of any kind, simply a tool akin to Microsoft Word's wizards.
Remember that one time in Enterprise when the Romulans invented a drone that was controlled by an Aenar...that was fun.
You don't suppose the Romulan outlook on this all began with the Doctor's visit to the Prometheus, do you? 😉
Are you assuming that the writers of Picard spent much time looking at their source material? I haven't seen much evidence of that.
The Romulan Science Directorate has determined that AI is impossible.
Perfect choice for an ending!
Picard? INACCURATE?? SAUCRE BLU! WHO KNEW?!
All they had to do was write Picard as an _origin_ story. That's it, that's all they had to do. But no, it was better to just waltz right on in to unfamiliar territory and try to continue expanding on things they aren't familiar enough with, and THEN they wonder how things went wrong.
I do wonder if there's some distinction that could be worked in to things so that there's some sort of "low AI" and some sort of "high AI". I'm not excusing the writing gap, but in my mind I'm trying to think that maybe there is limited cybernetics research, not to use it, but to combat it.
In an effort to compete with Disney, Paramount Plus has thrown canon and prior history away just like Disney did with Star Wars.
What's sad is Season 1 of Picard could have been really good if they hadn't taken the idea so far. The plot resolution being RoboPicard was just stupid. It's like a second grader wrote it.
The cybernetics hate is one thing but that Spock was a hologram not an AI.
When TNG changed the Klingons, they did it in a very different way. Much of what you see in original Klingons, you see in TNG Klingons. The writers built upon what was there and, in doing so, created a truly sophisticated backstory for the culture.
I respect Berman and co for TNG, DS9, and Voyager because they expanded on what they found in the Star Trek universe already. I respect Roddenberry because while some of his story lines were pretty wonky, they were well and truly original. The guy created at least three distinct sci-fi universes quite unlike anything that anyone had seen before.
But these writers? They didn't have Roddenberry's confidence to create a distinct universe for their story. They didn't have Berman's resourcefulness to build their story out of the universe that was already there without tearing it up first.
The Holo Spock always looked like it had no hands at all... lol
" IT'S ILLOGICAL, ILLOGICAL, ILLOGICAL ILLOGICAL!!!!!!!!!"
I could be wrong but the Romulan lady with Picard looks like the same lady that Spock played with when they stole the cloaking device
I guess the Romulans kinda forgot about their extensive knowledge of AI and cybernetics.
Also that woman has her hair in an not approved style for Romulans, which is short hairs with bangs.
_”Our computers are limited to solely numerical functions.”_ So they’re computers then.
Not quite: it misses a part of Trek lore
Federation computer systems are "Isolinear Circuitry" in universe - They are essentially synthetic brain tissue, fed by synthetic gel packs, and so can adapt all components to any task with time
What she is saying is that Romulan Computers are still "Duotronic" meaning that their computers have discrete components, eg as we would understand them actual separate processing cores
@@bengrogan9710 so bascily they are still....this stuff......we are using right now?
@@jackalenterprisesofohio essentially, but with more steps
Even standard AI is purely numerical, and uses normal 'computers'.
For the complexity of all the shit they get them to do, they would be stuffed full of at least AI, and possibly have to all use AGIs for the stuff these computers can manage, unless they have very complex AIs.
The hostile and conqueror Romulan Empire not using/studying cybernetics or artificial intelligence, while surrounded by hundreds of alien species that do, it would be like the Soviet Union not pursuing nuclear weapons/technology while surrounded by hostile powers that do.
It would be like Japan refusing to research gunpowder, oh wait, that's totally what they did. And it clearly didn't help them.
Very good analogy!
The Feds were the only ones with anything resembling successful AI, though.
@Lady Wanderer they used guns, yes, but the shogun banned any further research as well as importing newer guns (which is why they were so behind in the 19th century)
@@ThePilot3332 It sure helped them against the Chinese and Russians.
Don't forget about when the Romulans mind-controlled Geordi through his cybernetic implants. Complete absence.
How was that A.I.?
@@Raja1938 it was cybernetics.
Man/machine interface requires enormous understanding of how electronics can send/receive signals to the brain. Understanding that is the first step to mapping the brain to a digital format or recreating neurons using bio-mechanical means, or a positronic matrix like with Data.
Soong was not just a cyberneticist, he also was and advanced study of biology.
Now you are just stretching. This entire video is a fucking joke and doens't understand anything about what it actually was.
@@therabbits69 Nah, it's not really too far off. The sweeping concrete statements made in Picard that are contradicted by previous iterations of Trek are hard to ignore.
The fact that there are Romulans, not Vulcans, separating people from the Borg cybernetics in the same show make it seem like the writers just don't know what the hell they're doing.
"we wrote a shitty generic Sci FI script that takes place in a dystopian world. Let's shoehorn it into the lucrative Star Trek franchise".
"Damn boys, have you heard of Mass Effect 3? It's got the greatest twist ending I've ever seen and we should make a show out of it"
@@elinsto52 I hate being reminded of that shitty ending.
Indeed. Sadly
Nah, this was in line with prior Trek. Despite Major Grin showing poorly done clips as evidence otherwise
@@ShadowSonic2 Hey Shill, who's paying you? This particular video really seems to be worth your time.
Ahhh. The show where Picard is always being yelled at by everyone.
Long days and pleasant nights stranger!
He was being yelled at because he had somehow become the exemplar of another time, a time when people were more hopeful, optimistic, and always strove to better themselves. But that time had passed, now is the time for demands and assertions, and as is the case with the show's creators, the wisdom of clowns and watered-down drugs and "vapes." Today is all about yelling at the wise man, "I'm better than you," simply because they think they've seen more "stuff" today than the wise man of old who actually has too many important things to say. But today, no one wants to hear wisdom when they've got all those "memes" (which, literally, still means nothing).
Yes, we've got all this technology, privilege, and ease of access to everything, but it's the worst time to live in. I should be ready to kill myself any day now.
@@wayfaringshaman Meh. Every other time looks pretty garbage to me too. Disease, bigotry, and even many aspects of pollution were much worse in previous generations.
@@wayfaringshaman “Children; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. They no longer rise when elders enter the room, they contradict their parents and tyrannize their teachers. Children are now tyrants.” - Socrates, 400 BC
@@wayfaringshaman These are hard and decadent times, but there's always something worth living for. I hope you find it and live healthy and blissful life.