Been building and shooting MLs since '75. After having to shoot out a rod once, I make my rods long enough to always have a little sticking out. I only stuck one since and I was able to use a loading block to pull out the rod. Glad to see you using a real ML. I don't consider in-lines to be part of our group.
I sure want to build on from a kit one day myself when I have the time to devote to doing it right. I have an in-line one too. It was my first, but it doesn’t excite me to shoot and try new thinks with like this one does. I can’t wait for ML season to open up here so I can get my first ML deer with my Kentucky Rifle!! Thanks for watching brother Joe!!
There's hope for you. :) I don't to many but now I get a Green Mountain barrel and a Siler lock, mainly flint. The last one is a .32 squirrel rifle. I went to a lumber yard that has hardwood and I got cherry. Not sure if it's still in print but Foxfire 5 has a lot about building and also watch Colonial gunsmith here on UA-cam.
@@johanvandooren6394 You are the second person that has suggested that, it must work good. I have got to get some of them to try it!! Thanks for watching!!
Been shooting BP as long as some of the other guys here- which is a long time. Way back I learned the hard way to toss the factory rod and build a rod that I could depend on. Here's what I did, and I've never regretted it once. 1) get a typical 3/8 shotgun section rod. 2) Put it down the barrel and mark how long you need it to replce your rod in the thimbles, figuring the jag , etc. 3) Save the factory threaded end for the T handle. That end goes into the thimbles first. 4) Now, the business end that has the jag tip you need to cut off and thread for your loading jag and bullet puller jag. A cheap Harbor Freight die will do fine on aluminum. Just match your jag female thread. You can take it to any local guy with a lathe if you need to. He'll charge you a few bucks for 10 minutes work. 5) The T handle you put in your kit/bag for those times you need to remove a bullet by inverting the rifle, carefully standing on the T - or placing it between some thing tokeep it steady - and pulling the rifle off the ball. For a few more bucks, you should have the machinist turn you a proper alloy disc, with internal mating threads for the "push" end of the rod. The plastic T can break if you're clumsy. The rod remains a breakdown type - or - like me, it simply lives under the barrel permantently. You'll never go back to any other system. Keep the cheap wooden rod for hanging the gun on the wall.
Thanks for all the great information!! Man you put in some good time making the one you have. I hope one day to have the extra time to make a nice 1pc brass one to keep under the barrel of mine. sounds like a fun project for a future video. Thanks for watching!!
@@mullisoutdoors I made one for my Dixie Tennessee Mountain Rifle and another for my GPR back in about 1980. The male threads for the jag are whatever the jag is, so its easy. I think it took about 20 minutes to cut off and thread the one section that mounts the jags. Later, I had a friend on a lathe make the aluminum disc for palming the ramrod down. The longer TMR rod is made of 3 full sections and a 7" cut off of a fourth. The GPR happened to just need 3 sections, no cutting. I have a lot of pics I could send you if I knew how...
@@Lollygagger-k4p If you would like you can send them to my gmail. It’s listed in the video description. Thanks so much if you decide too. Sounds like a fun project!!
I’ll have to try that. I had a bad experience a long time ago with a charge not going off because I didn’t clean the barrel prior to loading it. Since then I have gotten into the habit of running a clean pack through it before I go shooting or hunting and I have never had that problem since. I have heard the same thing you are describing with most people just shooting caps to test that the hole is clear. Thanks for the information brother and thanks for watching!!
I've been shooting black powder since 1980. And I have always used this way to get a round ball out when I forget to put powder in the rifle! It's faster than trying to pulling it!
Most people I have talked to say they don’t even own a ball/bullet puller because they do it this same way. It worked great for me on this rod. Thanks for watching brother!!
I had a fisfire,first shot .Some storage oil gathered in the breech and soaked the powder i had just pot in .I took out the vent scooped out what powder i could and put in some fresh. Got lucky that day.
@@davidschaadt3460 I’ve had almost that exact thing happen to me years ago before I owned a ML. I was borrowing a friend’s and didn’t know to clean the barrel after he had cleaned it before putting it away.
I been muzzleloading for 30 years it's happened to me twice with a flintlock and it took what seemed like forever to get enough powder in the vent hole .
I’ve seen a lot of people use this seating end to do a quick patch through and it usually works on mine. I think the patch got too dry trying to remove any residue of oil from cleaning the barrel. Thanks for watching!!
I like my loop for cleaning when I’m at home after shooting. But when I’m in the field all I ever carry is the jag. I would have to say the loop has always worked best for me on all my rifles. Thanks for stopping by brother and happy shooting!!
Ok boys, listen up Everybody dry balls once in a while and everybody gets their ramrod stuck sooner or later. They sell a plyers like tool for pulling stuck ramrods. It's about $30. But you will never need one if you do this simple thing. The patch on your cleaning jag does most of its cleaning on the upstroke. If you run the patch all the way down then try to pull it out the fouling will quickly build up above the jag and your ramrod is stuck. Instead, do this. Run your ramrod down about six inches then pull up on the rod. You will feel the fouling break loose. Then run it down another six inches deeper and pull up again. Repeat six inches at a time until you hit the breach plug. Then pull your ramrod out, Flip the patch over and run it all the way down and out the bore again. Yiur bore is clean and ready to be loaded. You will never get your ramrod stuck again. If you have a gun that grabs cleaning jags then the breach plug is not installed properly or the drum was not faced off in the barrel like it should have been. These conditions require the attention of a gunsmith or a pretty handy fellow weith a big padded vice and a big wrench to pull the breach plug. The fun never ends boys. John Davis Jax Fl
Thanks so much for all of the great advise John. I have bought a bore scope and am going to bore scope it soon to see what she looks like inside. Thanks for watching Brother!!
@@mullisoutdoors i have a bore scope too but it doesnt work. I got it wet maybe thats whats wrong weith it. If yours works let us know where you got it. Thats a might handy thing to have. When you buy a used muzzleloader youre buying a pig in a poke. Its hard to tell if its beern cared for or not.
When in the field thier is never reason to run a patch deeper then base of ball or bullet. Shot smoke poles since 74, cleaning rod on the bench or at home😂
I do that with 4F when I dry ball the rifle. takes about 10 grans of 4f. Get yourself a long brass rod for the range and cleaning, you won't regret it.
Man, I just got one stuck and can’t shoot it out. It wasn’t even dry, so Im not sure why I stuck, the barrel was relatively clean too. It’s stuck about 8-10 inches down from the crown. I went up to about 20 grains to try and blow it out and wouldn’t even budge it. So now I’m going to try pulling it with a ball puller I ordered. Man I hope this works, or back to the drawing board..🤞🏻🤞🏻🍀🍀
@@mullisoutdoors The other thing you could try is CO2. I've never used one but I'm told they work well. Using powder to eject an unseated ball could result in a bulged barrel, be careful! The stuck ball is a barrel obstruction, if you build up too much pressure and the ball doesn't move, the barrel will! If you don't have a long brass ramrod for the range I'd recommend you get one. Just the weight of one of those is almost enough to drive a ball home! A long brass ramrod is just the thing you'll need to pull a ball from the barrel. Good luck!
Exact same thing happened to me with the same Jukar Kentuckian rifle that I have. Luckily I was cleaning it in my shop where i had tools. After much frustration and cuss words, I attached a drill to the end of the ram rod and spun that sucker at high speed . took about 5 secounds and the patch ripped up and the rod came out easy. I was useing a long ram rod with a .45 jag. I don't know why it happens to that particular rifle, never had that problem with any of my many muzzleloaders before.
I'm glad you found a way to get it out. I have bought a better range rod since this for cleaning and target shooting and have had no more problems with it so far. Thanks for the wisdom brother!!
Using 2-F in a flask normally used for 3-F, it doesn't flow too well. Try using Nature Lube Bore Butter after cleaning, the greatest since black powder, dry patches in a dry bore is a recipe for a wreck, as you well see.
I meed to try the bore butter. I’ve read some stuff about it and a lot of people like it. What do you use on the outside of the barrel to protect it. I’ve been trying to get a lot of people’s opinions on that too. Thanks for watching brother!!
I know how you felt when your musket just ain’t workin proper! It’s like you can’t rest until you get it working again. I dry balled my CVA 50cal Hawken a time or two and I drilled out a brass case so it fit on the nipple then put a few grains of f2 and kept poking the powder down. When I thought it was enough I put a cap on and out she came. Boy, did I feel better. You got to keep ‘em clean and working or you just can’t feel tight about much of anything! Kind Thanks for your video, great info! Many Blessings and Good Shootin! DaveyJO in Pennsylvania
Pennsylvania is on my bucket list for y'alls flint lock season! I really want to do that one day, and it gives me an excuse to get a flint lock too, so a win-win in my book! Great improvise on getting the stuck ball out. if I ever get one stuck I might have to use that..lol..Thanks for the kind words and the support Brother!! I hope you are having a Blessed day today Davey!!
Next time you go to the range just take a normal cleaning rod with a brush on it. Whenever I'm testing new powder and plan to fire quite a few shots I'll run the brush down the barrel and dump the fouling onto the ground. I don't have to use anything else to be able to continue loading and firing.
I did that last time I went and it worked great, I just can’t figure out how to keep my hands from getting so filthy..🤣🤣..but that’s black powder for ya!! Thanks for watching brother and the help!!
Not with just a few grains of powder. You would have had to put a large powder charge and alot more weight in that barrel to raise pressures much higher. Black powder charges are a low yield as far as pressures are concerned, as when compared to modern smokeless powder which are several times higher.
Good video, yep I learn the same hard way years ago, now I use a thin patch sprayed with gum out choke and carb cleaner, a couple of swipes and it fires first time, also I have learn to use a mixture of what they call moose milk you can find the ingredients online the way it works is you load your firearm and put a couple of squirts rite on top of charge down the barrel, it's incredible in that it makes loading and cleaning effortless if you like to shoot a lot it's the miracle of muzzle loading give it a try and your next outing will be pleasant instead of a angry afternoon, Thanks and take care, PS let me know how it works for you ok.
I’ve read and heard a buddy talk about the moose milk and it sounds like a great idea I need to try! Thanks for reminding me. It’s the one made with Ballistol right? Everyone one who uses it seems to swear by it so it must be good. I need to get some and try it. I’ve even seen videos with people cleaning their ML with it too I believe. Thanks for the information and thanks for watching brother!!
This happened to me when I was 13 shooting my .50 Hawken. When we got home my Dad had his machinist buddy make a Breach Plug wrench. Then his buddy took the two ends and put them on a fiberglass spearfishing arrow shaft. That was in 1987 and i still shoot it regularly. Recently taught my 12 uear old daughter to shoot it albeit with a 40 hrain charge instead of my usual 90. Since then whenever i get a new Rifle or Musket i get a breach plug wrench made
That sounds like a plan. My newer inline rifle has a breach plug and I like having that. I wish this one had one, but it’s a solid barrel. I’m so glad to here people still shooting muzzle loaders and passing it down to their kids so maybe they’ll keep it going. Sadly around here it’s almost a dead art except for a few of us. Great story Mike and thanks for sharing brother!! Keep it alive my friend!!🍀🍀
@@mullisoutdoors I started shooting Black powder as a kid in the 80's. Became an Army Infantryman in the 90's and retired in the 2010's. I have tricked out AR's but my first love is Black Powder. The first Pistol I bought when I turned 18 was a Walker Colt repro from Dixie Gun Works. After seeing Outlaw Josey Wales and then Gus McRae on Lonesome Dove I knew I had to have one. That pistol started an addiction now I have the entire line of repro Colt Revolvers including the Patterson.
@@mikebrase5161 I have hunted and been an avid shooter all my like and so was my dad, but he never liked black powder. I didn’t get into it until my 30’s and have loved it ever since. I’m planning on getting a black powder revolver in the future, but I have no experience with the. Me and a friend are supposed to go out and shoot his soon. He has owned them for many years and is going to give me the crash course for them! I’m so glad you are keeping it alive too brother!!
Thompson center sells a CO2 cartridge unit if it’s over the nipple and will blow out stuck balls patches anything I’ll carry it with my kid all the time only had to use it once and it worked great
suggest you get a field rod WITH a muzzle protector, you can also fit a grease nipple and pump in grease next time does work will remove a ball that some for got to put powder in first OR keep some 4 f handy
A grease nipple from a truck will fit?!?!🤯..That’s an awesome Idea, now I’ve got to try that. I tried my air compressor and it wouldn’t even budge it. I am going to get a muzzle protector on my range rod. I have to find one long enough so it will work on all of my muzzle loaders. Thanks for the information and watching!!
I got a TC Hawken kit when I was about 14 years old. The barrel had machine burrs left in it. It would foul so bad that you couldn't get the second ball down and couldn't pull it back out. The grease fitting and grease gun were a normal part of my accoutrements. I gave up on muzzleloaders for a couple of years.44 years later and having built my own rifles since, I would lap that barrel or reamed it to a larger caliber and rerifled it.
@@shawnbaird4873 I had thought about that, but have not had that problem since I have gotten a better range rod. I even thought about turning it into a smooth bore for small game hunting with birdshot. Thanks for watching and the information brother!!
I’m not sure what that is, but I will look it up. I have since made a better range rod that works great so hopefully this doesn’t happen again!! Thanks for the help Mike!!
Civil War reenactor here: you used the end that pushes the ball down the barrel. Do not do that. For that reason I use a commercial muzzleloading cleaning kit so I cannot Accidentally put a patch on the ball end -guaranteed stuck. A Rev War reenactor just told me to cut a small hole in a corner of the patch, put rod through the hole, screw on the jag over the patch, and the patch will never come off inside the gun. For air you can use AC unit condensor coil blowout devices that uses CO2 cartridges. You take off the nipple and place it over the hole. The advantage to these is they can be used in the woods or camp as small and portable.
@@johnmoreno9636 Thank you so much for all of the great information!! I’ll have to try the patch before jag and see how that goes and I’ll look up the coil blow out device. Sounds like something handy to have. I would love to do a Civil War reenactment one day. We have one not to far from me they do in May. I hope one year to get a chance to do it. They look like a lot of fun on here. Thanks for watching John!!
Dang! I'm up to 10 grains of 4F and my rod is still stuck in my flintlock!😭 Of course, it's old enough that the touch-hole liner won't come out without drilling out and replacing!
@@mullisoutdoors ok, so I tried this. Didn’t work cuz the patch had cleaner and it soaked the powder. Decided to leave and try again the next day, and the next day I tried pulling the thing and it just popped out.
@@misguidedsaint3693 thank goodness, a stuck rod is a BAD FEELING!! I remember it well!! I’m so glad you got it out. Maybe the cleaner broke down some of the fouling. 🍀🍀👊🏼👊🏼
@@mullisoutdoors probably, just got the gun and it’s sat there for a good long while and the barrel was pretty dang rusted. Was trying to get it all out.
It stuck because there is something in the barrel. Get a real cleaning rod, brush, and patch jag. Start scrubbing. It needs to feel the same from one end to the other. Use a bore abrasive paste on the tight spots. Work all of the way into the rifling with the correct double layer of patches. This is called hand lapping. The treatment all high dollar barrel makers use.
Thanks brother, that rod was a old piece of junk, I normally clean it with my brass rod, but had to try something different.. and it got me..🤣..I’ll try this next time I clean! Thanks for watching and the help!!
@moaoutdoors Never judge too harshly. That's how we develop our life experiences. I once left my 54 Renegade loaded for a year. I used a screw jag and pulled the bullet. Then I opened the woodstove, pointed the end in the door, and snapped a cap. That old compressed powder went off with a boom. It blew ashes all over me, so I looked like Casper. That's when I learned how to clean up a tight spot by lapping and my workshop.
@@Michael-rg7mx Man that sounds like a job! I couldn't imagine the mess...I'm just glad you got it out and are ok. I never judge too hash either, it's how I have learned a lot of things..The hard way. I can't wait for hunting season to start this year and get my first with this rifle!!
Oh no! Well, you know what they say, "If you can't fix it with Super Glue, Duct Tape, or WD-40 then, you might as well just blow it up!" Wisdom as true as God, Time, and Broken Spines. Ooph, not our aim tho.
The nipple should never be that hard to break loose. After I clean the gun I put just a tiny amount of ballistol or some other oil on the threads and I never have any issues with it freezing up. In contrast nearly ALL used guns I've picked up have nipples that have to be hit with penetrating oil to get off.
This one was very stuck when I first got it. The previous owner had used it and put it up for years without cleaning it, so when I received it and cleaned it it had to use penetrating oil to get it out. I sometimes have a heavy hand when tightening things and probably did with this..🤣🤣..You and another friend of mine have both mentioned using Ballistol to clean their muzzle loaders with. I can’t find it in any stores around here, so I think I will order some offline and see how it goes. Thanks for watching and the information!!😁😁
I’m not sure about that one myself. This is the original rod that came with it to my knowledge. At the end it was about an inch longer because it had a small brass fitting for you to attach a brush or a jag, but it pulled off in the process of trying to remove the rod.
I’ve never tried using alcohol before. Do you use regular isopropyl alcohol, or denatured? I wonder if anyone has used vinegar? I know it evaporates quick and is a pretty good cleaner. Thanks for the information and for watching!! Merry Christmas!!
Sometimes the percussion cap has enough energy to push the rod out enough to grab the end. I’m sure you have done it by now but get a longer range rod for cleaning and swabbing.
You may not know this so I have 2 things to fill you in on. 1) “I swear to God” is a use of His name in vain. And 2) “if it’s gOn happen anywhere it’s gOn happen to me”. The Bible tells us The power of life and death is in our tongues. Christ told the disciples “what you loose on earth will be loosed in Heaven and what you bind on earth will be bound in Heaven”. Be careful with hat you say because your words can give authority to the bad things you speak into existence. We all need to work on it and you may not have known it but now you do.
Been building and shooting MLs since '75. After having to shoot out a rod once, I make my rods long enough to always have a little sticking out. I only stuck one since and I was able to use a loading block to pull out the rod. Glad to see you using a real ML. I don't consider in-lines to be part of our group.
I sure want to build on from a kit one day myself when I have the time to devote to doing it right. I have an in-line one too. It was my first, but it doesn’t excite me to shoot and try new thinks with like this one does. I can’t wait for ML season to open up here so I can get my first ML deer with my Kentucky Rifle!! Thanks for watching brother Joe!!
There's hope for you. :) I don't to many but now I get a Green Mountain barrel and a Siler lock, mainly flint. The last one is a .32 squirrel rifle. I went to a lumber yard that has hardwood and I got cherry. Not sure if it's still in print but Foxfire 5 has a lot about building and also watch Colonial gunsmith here on UA-cam.
@@OldJoe212 Thank you Joe. I’ll check them out on here, and I love all of the Foxfire books. The museum is pretty cool too. Have you ever been?
Grease gun!
@@johanvandooren6394 You are the second person that has suggested that, it must work good. I have got to get some of them to try it!! Thanks for watching!!
Been shooting BP as long as some of the other guys here- which is a long time. Way back I learned the hard way to toss the factory rod and build a rod that I could depend on. Here's what I did, and I've never regretted it once.
1) get a typical 3/8 shotgun section rod.
2) Put it down the barrel and mark how long you need it to replce your rod in the thimbles, figuring the jag , etc.
3) Save the factory threaded end for the T handle. That end goes into the thimbles first.
4) Now, the business end that has the jag tip you need to cut off and thread for your loading jag and bullet puller jag. A cheap Harbor Freight die will do fine on aluminum. Just match your jag female thread. You can take it to any local guy with a lathe if you need to. He'll charge you a few bucks for 10 minutes work.
5) The T handle you put in your kit/bag for those times you need to remove a bullet by inverting the rifle, carefully standing on the T - or placing it between some thing tokeep it steady - and pulling the rifle off the ball. For a few more bucks, you should have the machinist turn you a proper alloy disc, with internal mating threads for the "push" end of the rod. The plastic T can break if you're clumsy.
The rod remains a breakdown type - or - like me, it simply lives under the barrel permantently.
You'll never go back to any other system. Keep the cheap wooden rod for hanging the gun on the wall.
Thanks for all the great information!! Man you put in some good time making the one you have. I hope one day to have the extra time to make a nice 1pc brass one to keep under the barrel of mine. sounds like a fun project for a future video. Thanks for watching!!
@@mullisoutdoors I made one for my Dixie Tennessee Mountain Rifle and another for my GPR back in about 1980. The male threads for the jag are whatever the jag is, so its easy. I think it took about 20 minutes to cut off and thread the one section that mounts the jags. Later, I had a friend on a lathe make the aluminum disc for palming the ramrod down.
The longer TMR rod is made of 3 full sections and a 7" cut off of a fourth. The GPR happened to just need 3 sections, no cutting.
I have a lot of pics I could send you if I knew how...
@@Lollygagger-k4p If you would like you can send them to my gmail. It’s listed in the video description. Thanks so much if you decide too. Sounds like a fun project!!
Traditionally most shooters would fire a small charge in a clean barrel before loading a charge and ball.😊
I’ll have to try that. I had a bad experience a long time ago with a charge not going off because I didn’t clean the barrel prior to loading it. Since then I have gotten into the habit of running a clean pack through it before I go shooting or hunting and I have never had that problem since. I have heard the same thing you are describing with most people just shooting caps to test that the hole is clear. Thanks for the information brother and thanks for watching!!
love when something works the way you want it to.
Me too!! Thanks for watching!!
I've been shooting black powder since 1980. And I have always used this way to get a round ball out when I forget to put powder in the rifle! It's faster than trying to pulling it!
Most people I have talked to say they don’t even own a ball/bullet puller because they do it this same way. It worked great for me on this rod. Thanks for watching brother!!
I had a fisfire,first shot .Some storage oil gathered in the breech and soaked the powder i had just pot in .I took out the vent scooped out what powder i could and put in some fresh. Got lucky that day.
@@davidschaadt3460 I’ve had almost that exact thing happen to me years ago before I owned a ML. I was borrowing a friend’s and didn’t know to clean the barrel after he had cleaned it before putting it away.
I been muzzleloading for 30 years it's happened to me twice with a flintlock and it took what seemed like forever to get enough powder in the vent hole .
It’s a pain for sure, but man does it work good!! Thanks for watching!!
That happened to me and I did the same thing you did only I didn't find the ramrod. I stood and watched it go into orbit deep in the trees.
I pointed mine at an ant mound, figured they would make a good back stop if it went farther like yours did..lol..Thanks for stopping in brother!!
The end of rod you showed IS THE BALL SEATING END , THE CLEANING JAG GOES ON OTHER END OF RAMROD!
I’ve seen a lot of people use this seating end to do a quick patch through and it usually works on mine. I think the patch got too dry trying to remove any residue of oil from cleaning the barrel. Thanks for watching!!
Jags are a pain. I use the loop type with about a two inch bit of cloth pulled thru it. Never gets stuck or leaves patches down the bore.
I like my loop for cleaning when I’m at home after shooting. But when I’m in the field all I ever carry is the jag. I would have to say the loop has always worked best for me on all my rifles. Thanks for stopping by brother and happy shooting!!
Ok boys, listen up
Everybody dry balls once in a while and everybody gets their ramrod stuck sooner or later.
They sell a plyers like tool for pulling stuck ramrods. It's about $30.
But you will never need one if you do this simple thing.
The patch on your cleaning jag does most of its cleaning on the upstroke.
If you run the patch all the way down then try to pull it out the fouling will quickly build up above the jag and your ramrod is stuck.
Instead, do this. Run your ramrod down about six inches then pull up on the rod. You will feel the fouling break loose.
Then run it down another six inches deeper and pull up again.
Repeat six inches at a time until you hit the breach plug.
Then pull your ramrod out, Flip the patch over and run it all the way down and out the bore again.
Yiur bore is clean and ready to be loaded. You will never get your ramrod stuck again.
If you have a gun that grabs cleaning jags then the breach plug is not installed properly or the drum was not faced off in the barrel like it should have been.
These conditions require the attention of a gunsmith or a pretty handy fellow weith a big padded vice and a big wrench to pull the breach plug.
The fun never ends boys.
John Davis Jax Fl
Thanks so much for all of the great advise John. I have bought a bore scope and am going to bore scope it soon to see what she looks like inside. Thanks for watching Brother!!
@@mullisoutdoors i have a bore scope too but it doesnt work. I got it wet maybe thats whats wrong weith it.
If yours works let us know where you got it. Thats a might handy thing to have.
When you buy a used muzzleloader youre buying a pig in a poke. Its hard to tell if its beern cared for or not.
@@johnndavis7647 You are so right on a used muzzleloader John. I'll let you know if it works and make a video on it. It sounds like a fun project!
When in the field thier is never reason to run a patch deeper then base of ball or bullet. Shot smoke poles since 74, cleaning rod on the bench or at home😂
It is so much easier to do it there..🤣🤣
I do that with 4F when I dry ball the rifle. takes about 10 grans of 4f. Get yourself a long brass rod for the range and cleaning, you won't regret it.
Man, I just got one stuck and can’t shoot it out. It wasn’t even dry, so Im not sure why I stuck, the barrel was relatively clean too. It’s stuck about 8-10 inches down from the crown. I went up to about 20 grains to try and blow it out and wouldn’t even budge it. So now I’m going to try pulling it with a ball puller I ordered. Man I hope this works, or back to the drawing board..🤞🏻🤞🏻🍀🍀
@@mullisoutdoors The other thing you could try is CO2. I've never used one but I'm told they work well. Using powder to eject an unseated ball could result in a bulged barrel, be careful! The stuck ball is a barrel obstruction, if you build up too much pressure and the ball doesn't move, the barrel will! If you don't have a long brass ramrod for the range I'd recommend you get one. Just the weight of one of those is almost enough to drive a ball home! A long brass ramrod is just the thing you'll need to pull a ball from the barrel. Good luck!
Exact same thing happened to me with the same Jukar Kentuckian rifle that I have. Luckily I was cleaning it in my shop where i had tools. After much frustration and cuss words, I attached a drill to the end of the ram rod and spun that sucker at high speed . took about 5 secounds and the patch ripped up and the rod came out easy. I was useing a long ram rod with a .45 jag. I don't know why it happens to that particular rifle, never had that problem with any of my many muzzleloaders before.
I'm glad you found a way to get it out. I have bought a better range rod since this for cleaning and target shooting and have had no more problems with it so far. Thanks for the wisdom brother!!
That was a smart move! Glad it worked out for you. Thumbs 👍🏻 up thinking ~John
Thanks John! It is a great too to have in your bag in the field. Thanks for watching brother!!
An innovative solution. Nice!
Thank you and thanks for watching!!
Man I was all hyped to watch that ant hill explode! Glad you got that thingamajigger out of the barrel though 😄
Me too, I wasn't sure how that was going to go, but I'm glad it worked out for the good..lolol
Using 2-F in a flask normally used for 3-F, it doesn't flow too well.
Try using Nature Lube Bore Butter after cleaning, the greatest since black powder, dry patches in a dry bore is a recipe for a wreck, as you well see.
I meed to try the bore butter. I’ve read some stuff about it and a lot of people like it. What do you use on the outside of the barrel to protect it. I’ve been trying to get a lot of people’s opinions on that too. Thanks for watching brother!!
Been there done that. Powder works BUT!! Don't touch it off with a Bic lighter.
Yes..🤣..I even make sure to move it far away when I shoot!! Thanks for watching!!
I know how you felt when your musket just ain’t workin proper! It’s like you can’t rest until you get it working again. I dry balled my CVA 50cal Hawken a time or two and I drilled out a brass case so it fit on the nipple then put a few grains of f2 and kept poking the powder down. When I thought it was enough I put a cap on and out she came. Boy, did I feel better. You got to keep ‘em clean and working or you just can’t feel tight about much of anything! Kind Thanks for your video, great info! Many Blessings and Good Shootin! DaveyJO in Pennsylvania
Pennsylvania is on my bucket list for y'alls flint lock season! I really want to do that one day, and it gives me an excuse to get a flint lock too, so a win-win in my book! Great improvise on getting the stuck ball out. if I ever get one stuck I might have to use that..lol..Thanks for the kind words and the support Brother!! I hope you are having a Blessed day today Davey!!
Been there, done that !!!😂😂😂😂
Good morning, Wow, that is a bummer.
Had to get creative..🤣🤣
idk much about rifles but good to see that you were able to remove that broken stuck rod.
Me Too..🤣🤣I was kinda worried till I read that this was how they use to do it well before my time! Thanks for stopping by brother!!
LOL! Exactly what I did first time this happened to me.
Worked great for me too! Thanks for watching brother!!
Next time you go to the range just take a normal cleaning rod with a brush on it. Whenever I'm testing new powder and plan to fire quite a few shots I'll run the brush down the barrel and dump the fouling onto the ground. I don't have to use anything else to be able to continue loading and firing.
I did that last time I went and it worked great, I just can’t figure out how to keep my hands from getting so filthy..🤣🤣..but that’s black powder for ya!! Thanks for watching brother and the help!!
Thanks alot for sharing brother
Thanks for stopping by!!😁😁
Not with just a few grains of powder.
You would have had to put a large powder charge and alot more weight in that barrel to raise pressures much higher.
Black powder charges are a low yield as far as pressures are concerned, as when compared to modern smokeless powder which are several times higher.
@@denisdegamon8224 one of the reasons I love black powder! Thanks for watching!!
Good video, yep I learn the same hard way years ago, now I use a thin patch sprayed with gum out choke and carb cleaner, a couple of swipes and it fires first time, also I have learn to use a mixture of what they call moose milk you can find the ingredients online the way it works is you load your firearm and put a couple of squirts rite on top of charge down the barrel, it's incredible in that it makes loading and cleaning effortless if you like to shoot a lot it's the miracle of muzzle loading give it a try and your next outing will be pleasant instead of a angry afternoon, Thanks and take care, PS let me know how it works for you ok.
I’ve read and heard a buddy talk about the moose milk and it sounds like a great idea I need to try! Thanks for reminding me. It’s the one made with Ballistol right? Everyone one who uses it seems to swear by it so it must be good. I need to get some and try it. I’ve even seen videos with people cleaning their ML with it too I believe. Thanks for the information and thanks for watching brother!!
Go to Traditional muzzle loading channel his is Murphy's soap and cutting oil there are 2 different recipes but his worked best
1 pint of cutting oil, 1 cup Murphy's Soap, 1 liter of water or rubbing alcohol when its freezing out
@@josephsawicki9335 I’ll have to try this. Thanks so much!!
Nice answer.
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@@mullisoutdoors to getting the stuck rod out.
This happened to me when I was 13 shooting my .50 Hawken. When we got home my Dad had his machinist buddy make a Breach Plug wrench. Then his buddy took the two ends and put them on a fiberglass spearfishing arrow shaft. That was in 1987 and i still shoot it regularly. Recently taught my 12 uear old daughter to shoot it albeit with a 40 hrain charge instead of my usual 90. Since then whenever i get a new Rifle or Musket i get a breach plug wrench made
That sounds like a plan. My newer inline rifle has a breach plug and I like having that. I wish this one had one, but it’s a solid barrel. I’m so glad to here people still shooting muzzle loaders and passing it down to their kids so maybe they’ll keep it going. Sadly around here it’s almost a dead art except for a few of us. Great story Mike and thanks for sharing brother!! Keep it alive my friend!!🍀🍀
@@mullisoutdoors I started shooting Black powder as a kid in the 80's. Became an Army Infantryman in the 90's and retired in the 2010's. I have tricked out AR's but my first love is Black Powder. The first Pistol I bought when I turned 18 was a Walker Colt repro from Dixie Gun Works. After seeing Outlaw Josey Wales and then Gus McRae on Lonesome Dove I knew I had to have one. That pistol started an addiction now I have the entire line of repro Colt Revolvers including the Patterson.
@@mikebrase5161 I have hunted and been an avid shooter all my like and so was my dad, but he never liked black powder. I didn’t get into it until my 30’s and have loved it ever since. I’m planning on getting a black powder revolver in the future, but I have no experience with the. Me and a friend are supposed to go out and shoot his soon. He has owned them for many years and is going to give me the crash course for them! I’m so glad you are keeping it alive too brother!!
Very cool my friend
Thanks John!! I had my fingers crossed..lol
Thompson center sells a CO2 cartridge unit if it’s over the nipple and will blow out stuck balls patches anything I’ll carry it with my kid all the time only had to use it once and it worked great
I'll have to check that out.Thank you so much for letting me know. Where can I get one from??
Been there, done that. I took mine to a gunsmith and they got it out… have a longer, sturdier rod now.
Me too, made one myself and have never been happier!
suggest you get a field rod WITH a muzzle protector, you can also fit a grease nipple and pump in grease next time does work will remove a ball that some for got to put powder in first OR keep some 4 f handy
A grease nipple from a truck will fit?!?!🤯..That’s an awesome Idea, now I’ve got to try that. I tried my air compressor and it wouldn’t even budge it. I am going to get a muzzle protector on my range rod. I have to find one long enough so it will work on all of my muzzle loaders. Thanks for the information and watching!!
I got a TC Hawken kit when I was about 14 years old. The barrel had machine burrs left in it. It would foul so bad that you couldn't get the second ball down and couldn't pull it back out. The grease fitting and grease gun were a normal part of my accoutrements. I gave up on muzzleloaders for a couple of years.44 years later and having built my own rifles since, I would lap that barrel or reamed it to a larger caliber and rerifled it.
@@shawnbaird4873 I had thought about that, but have not had that problem since I have gotten a better range rod. I even thought about turning it into a smooth bore for small game hunting with birdshot. Thanks for watching and the information brother!!
It works,but it’s messy getting the grease cleaned out of the barrel
Best thing to do is. Make a wippin stick out of brass or steel.
I’m not sure what that is, but I will look it up. I have since made a better range rod that works great so hopefully this doesn’t happen again!! Thanks for the help Mike!!
Civil War reenactor here: you used the end that pushes the ball down the barrel. Do not do that. For that reason I use a commercial muzzleloading cleaning kit so I cannot Accidentally put a patch on the ball end -guaranteed stuck. A Rev War reenactor just told me to cut a small hole in a corner of the patch, put rod through the hole, screw on the jag over the patch, and the patch will never come off inside the gun. For air you can use AC unit condensor coil blowout devices that uses CO2 cartridges. You take off the nipple and place it over the hole. The advantage to these is they can be used in the woods or camp as small and portable.
@@johnmoreno9636 Thank you so much for all of the great information!! I’ll have to try the patch before jag and see how that goes and I’ll look up the coil blow out device. Sounds like something handy to have. I would love to do a Civil War reenactment one day. We have one not to far from me they do in May. I hope one year to get a chance to do it. They look like a lot of fun on here. Thanks for watching John!!
Dang! I'm up to 10 grains of 4F and my rod is still stuck in my flintlock!😭
Of course, it's old enough that the touch-hole liner won't come out without drilling out and replacing!
Man I hate to hear that!! Have you gotten it to budge any?
@@mullisoutdoors
Not yet! Going back to WD_40 and soap and water to attempt to loosen it up a bit first! Wish I still had my workbench with a vise!
@@davisrs1 Good Luck Brother! I hope you get it out!!
Got the same thing going on right now. .58 cal rifle with a .50 cal rod and a patch on it. Thing will not come undone, may need to try this out
I tried everything I could think of and this wound up worked for me. Good luck and I hope you get it out!!🍀🍀
@@mullisoutdoors ok, so I tried this. Didn’t work cuz the patch had cleaner and it soaked the powder. Decided to leave and try again the next day, and the next day I tried pulling the thing and it just popped out.
@@misguidedsaint3693 thank goodness, a stuck rod is a BAD FEELING!! I remember it well!! I’m so glad you got it out. Maybe the cleaner broke down some of the fouling. 🍀🍀👊🏼👊🏼
@@mullisoutdoors probably, just got the gun and it’s sat there for a good long while and the barrel was pretty dang rusted. Was trying to get it all out.
It stuck because there is something in the barrel. Get a real cleaning rod, brush, and patch jag. Start scrubbing. It needs to feel the same from one end to the other. Use a bore abrasive paste on the tight spots. Work all of the way into the rifling with the correct double layer of patches. This is called hand lapping. The treatment all high dollar barrel makers use.
Thanks brother, that rod was a old piece of junk, I normally clean it with my brass rod, but had to try something different.. and it got me..🤣..I’ll try this next time I clean! Thanks for watching and the help!!
@moaoutdoors Never judge too harshly. That's how we develop our life experiences. I once left my 54 Renegade loaded for a year. I used a screw jag and pulled the bullet. Then I opened the woodstove, pointed the end in the door, and snapped a cap. That old compressed powder went off with a boom. It blew ashes all over me, so I looked like Casper. That's when I learned how to clean up a tight spot by lapping and my workshop.
@@Michael-rg7mx Man that sounds like a job! I couldn't imagine the mess...I'm just glad you got it out and are ok. I never judge too hash either, it's how I have learned a lot of things..The hard way. I can't wait for hunting season to start this year and get my first with this rifle!!
Purchasing a range rod would be a good idea
I did and it is worth every penny! A one piece rod has been awesome! Thanks for watching..😁
Oh no! Well, you know what they say, "If you can't fix it with Super Glue, Duct Tape, or WD-40 then, you might as well just blow it up!" Wisdom as true as God, Time, and Broken Spines. Ooph, not our aim tho.
Glad that worked. What calibre is it?
Me too!! It’s a .44 caliber. Thanks for watching!!😁
Been there done that….several times. Easy fix with just a little powder down the nipple.
Great trick to know in the field..Thanks for stopping by!! I love your videos brother!! Thanks for all the great knowledge!!
@@mullisoutdoors Keep on shooting brother!
I've actually had to do this got to do what you got to do
It works well and very handy to know in the field, thanks for watching!!
I've had to do this a few times 😂
Whoke like a charm..🤣
The nipple should never be that hard to break loose. After I clean the gun I put just a tiny amount of ballistol or some other oil on the threads and I never have any issues with it freezing up. In contrast nearly ALL used guns I've picked up have nipples that have to be hit with penetrating oil to get off.
This one was very stuck when I first got it. The previous owner had used it and put it up for years without cleaning it, so when I received it and cleaned it it had to use penetrating oil to get it out. I sometimes have a heavy hand when tightening things and probably did with this..🤣🤣..You and another friend of mine have both mentioned using Ballistol to clean their muzzle loaders with. I can’t find it in any stores around here, so I think I will order some offline and see how it goes. Thanks for watching and the information!!😁😁
I use anti seize grease on mine.
How much power did u use
About 3 grains, just enough to get the rod out.
Why is the ramrod so short?
I’m not sure about that one myself. This is the original rod that came with it to my knowledge. At the end it was about an inch longer because it had a small brass fitting for you to attach a brush or a jag, but it pulled off in the process of trying to remove the rod.
i had to shoot a cleaning jag out once.
I hope this was my last time, but only time will tell..lol..Thanks for watching!!
Get a longer ramrod.
I bought a longer range rod and have been all good since. Thanks for watching!!
That was not a cleaning jag, Big problem , To clean out gun before first shot , use a cleaning jag - patch with alcohol ,up and down a few times .
I’ve never tried using alcohol before. Do you use regular isopropyl alcohol, or denatured? I wonder if anyone has used vinegar? I know it evaporates quick and is a pretty good cleaner. Thanks for the information and for watching!! Merry Christmas!!
Your patch wasn't lubed sufficiently.
I’ve seen some of the guys use spit to clean out the barrel..😳..Have you ever tried it and if so does it work decent for a quick field cleaning?
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Invest in a range rod.
I have and it has made my life so much easier..😁😁
Very dangerous. That is a bore obstruction.
Yes it was.
Sometimes the percussion cap has enough energy to push the rod out enough to grab the end. I’m sure you have done it by now but get a longer range rod for cleaning and swabbing.
And how long have you been an NRA instructor, Thomas?
So is a ball 😂
You may not know this so I have 2 things to fill you in on. 1) “I swear to God” is a use of His name in vain. And 2) “if it’s gOn happen anywhere it’s gOn happen to me”. The Bible tells us The power of life and death is in our tongues. Christ told the disciples “what you loose on earth will be loosed in Heaven and what you bind on earth will be bound in Heaven”. Be careful with hat you say because your words can give authority to the bad things you speak into existence. We all need to work on it and you may not have known it but now you do.
I do forget a lot of times, thank you for reminding brother!
Get a longer ramrod.
I did wind up getting a longer and better made range rod so hopefully this want happen again..lol..Thanks for watching!!