My FIRST Warhammer Terrain REIMAGINED| Bretonnian Old World Medieval Fantasy Houses

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  • Опубліковано 12 вер 2024
  • I decided to revisit my first ever Warhammer terrain project - a house I made in 2001 when I was 12 years old, copied out of How to Make Wargames Terrain by Nigel Stillman. The result is a nice medieval village, with new stonework, thatching, window making and wattle and daub techniques for enhanced realism, and some time saving techniques as well. If you play Mordheim, Age of Sigmar, Dungeons and Dragons (D&D) or Warhammer Fantasy (The old world), then check it out.
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  • @hmgirlpopuri5819
    @hmgirlpopuri5819 3 роки тому +100

    Oh man I remember drooling over the terrain in that book in high school. Back when GW encouraged you to scratch build stuff instead of just buying their $100 terrain kits.

  • @lucycannon6732
    @lucycannon6732 3 роки тому +142

    In case no one has told you, you're a damned good natural teacher, Eric. You make fiddly things easy to understand and show your process while you do it. I've learned quite a lot in the short time I've been subbed, and can't wait to see what else you're working on. This channel should be shared.

    • @EricsHobbyWorkshop
      @EricsHobbyWorkshop  3 роки тому +14

      Thanks Lucy, thats very kind. I really enjoy teaching and I’m glad you like my style

  • @NatesMiniatures
    @NatesMiniatures 3 роки тому +44

    I still have that how to make wargaming terrain book, what a great place to start at. Great update on the buildings mate

    • @EricsHobbyWorkshop
      @EricsHobbyWorkshop  3 роки тому +4

      Thanks Nate, appreciate it!

    • @Hobbyrepubliken
      @Hobbyrepubliken 3 роки тому

      Check out TheTerrainTutor

    • @christopherthurman5424
      @christopherthurman5424 3 роки тому +2

      Same, it's in storage with all my 2nd ed. D&D stuff and a whole town of 3"x5" houses

    • @Jjgm69
      @Jjgm69 4 місяці тому

      ​@@christopherthurman5424that sound lovely, You should put the houses in a glass display case with miniatures, It would be something interesting to look at.

  • @neinach927
    @neinach927 Рік тому +5

    I don't think you realize how much of an inspiration you are, Eric. One of the most gifted teachers and passionate artists. Thank you for everything you do.

  • @markrateau7850
    @markrateau7850 Рік тому +2

    Really great work Eric! It's definitely old school. Games Workshop, in the Oldhammer days provided a lot of inspiration to all of us gamers! It's good to see that come back! Welcome back Old World! Keep up your good work man!

  • @RealTerrainHobbies
    @RealTerrainHobbies 3 роки тому +33

    Love these Eric. Nice job man!

  • @thomasboynton1
    @thomasboynton1 3 роки тому +2

    Not even half way through this and there's like 5 completely revolutionary innovative tricks you're just throwing around like candy here mate. Absolute winner this video.

    • @EricsHobbyWorkshop
      @EricsHobbyWorkshop  3 роки тому

      Thanks Thomas! I’m glad you could take something away from it

  • @kimples
    @kimples 3 роки тому +15

    I really appreciate the attention to detail that you put into your crafts, things like research on the thatch are things I never would think about, but it really adds to the authenticity. Keep up the great videos, I always eagerly await the next one.

  • @Terrainosaur
    @Terrainosaur 3 роки тому +12

    The curved part of the roof is new to me, I haven't seen that before. I like your plastic trees too. Who else has had enough with flock falling off trees?

    • @TurnStyleGames
      @TurnStyleGames 3 роки тому

      If you want quick/cheap/easy trees...consider Woodland Scenics armatures (the bendable tree frames) but then skip the flock...and simply cram unglued lichen into the branches. Easy and looks good, and can be removed for use on winter tables (or replaced with autumn/fall coloured lichen, etc.).

    • @annasstorybox7906
      @annasstorybox7906 2 роки тому +1

      I've actually seen this curved bits in real life a few times, although they are more often seen on windows "cut" into the roof or on top of doorways. A lot of thatched roofs in northern Germany, especially at the coast, have similar curved details. While there are only few thatched roofs left, some of them are actually protected as cultural heritage and aren't allowed to be replaced by modern roofs.
      Combined with a low hanging roof thatch on a half-timbered house, a plain white grouty wall or dutch clinker are the most common combinations and they all look very cozy.

  • @michaelmanning5379
    @michaelmanning5379 3 роки тому +23

    Great tips with the tape to hold the roof together and fast plank doors! The curving window dormers technique is brilliant.
    (Happy Canada Day.)

    • @EricsHobbyWorkshop
      @EricsHobbyWorkshop  3 роки тому +4

      Happy Canada Day to you too. Glad you got a few good techniques out of it!

  • @real-lomas-chenko
    @real-lomas-chenko 3 роки тому +9

    Just moved into my new house, been waiting 6 months, as soon as I've got my space ready I'm going to try and imitate a few of your builds Eric. Particularly your desert terrain and battlematt 👍.......and probably the space marine Fort too. Looking forward to the chaos upgrade video.

    • @EricsHobbyWorkshop
      @EricsHobbyWorkshop  3 роки тому +3

      Coming soon! I keep trying to buy myself time with other builds like this that end up sprawling into large projects of their own. The wait will be worth it though i hope :D

    • @real-lomas-chenko
      @real-lomas-chenko 3 роки тому

      @@EricsHobbyWorkshop I'm sure it will be

  • @holybowmanempire9629
    @holybowmanempire9629 3 роки тому +1

    The 1/4 inch by 1.5cm flex killed me. Love the videos man ive made a whole 4x4 Mordheim table inspired by your tutorials.

  • @drewbakka5265
    @drewbakka5265 3 роки тому +2

    If you didn't want too much glass, wooden shutters would have worked very well. Also a great place to put word carving designs

  • @PhoenixFeatherAirsoft
    @PhoenixFeatherAirsoft 10 місяців тому

    Dude this is so cool! This is literally the first thing I ever built too. I think back in the day the article got published on the German white dwarf. Damn I have to revisit this 🎉

  • @skull9674
    @skull9674 3 роки тому +11

    Your house you made as a twelve year old looks better than anything I have done.

  • @peterfiser
    @peterfiser 3 роки тому

    I got a double sided mat from Warzone, it's quality stuff. I bought a cloth one, 180cm x 120cm, one meadow one desert, covers our needs for fantasy skirmish. Came in a small satchel, it should last us a decade or more. Worth the money.

  • @5thterrax
    @5thterrax 3 роки тому +3

    DUUUUUDE Eric these are amazing! I have that same book lol. These are fantastic updates to those oldhammer tutorials. Doing more videos like this would be awesome to see too. Keep up the great work!

  • @aspermypreviousemail5907
    @aspermypreviousemail5907 2 роки тому

    That's exactly the first piece of terrain I built! I had the same book, so many memories are coming to me!

  • @perotekku
    @perotekku 8 місяців тому

    0:16 Nigel Stillman!
    Recently got back into the world of Warhammer, mostly Kill Team/Warcry.
    I fell out of love with 40k as I felt like the task of building a "good" army, in terms of competitiveness, was too daunting.
    Happy coincidence was that I just recently discovered "Stillmania", and I wish I had over a decade ago when I fell away from the hobby.
    So I'm always really excited to see Mr. Stillman's name anywhere. For anybody else feeling burnt out by the list building/gaming side of the hobby, I highly recommend looking into his philosophy.

  • @apacheandy
    @apacheandy 3 роки тому +7

    "somebody stop me" 😂another great video, you unit mixer.

  • @tiny_worlds
    @tiny_worlds 3 роки тому +5

    To diffuse the light in the windows you could spray matt varnish on the inside / outside of the glass. Great video. The buildings came out great.

    • @EricsHobbyWorkshop
      @EricsHobbyWorkshop  3 роки тому +3

      I thought about that! I might do that. I might also glue some tissue paper. Still pondering

    • @erc1971erc1971
      @erc1971erc1971 3 роки тому +1

      I take some sandpaper to both sides of the transparency. That gives it a frosted look that diffuses the light and makes it so you can't look through the window and see the unfinished inside and tea light - you just get the glow.

  • @eldraque4556
    @eldraque4556 2 роки тому

    the best thing about old GW was scratch building and improv, the more you practiced the better you got and you felt you where getting there. each project was satistfying then you realised how you could do better. It was cheap fun (in the late 80's early 90's)

  • @xremming
    @xremming 3 роки тому +2

    This is incredible content. Most other people just show them creating things but you actually teach us!

  • @hyperbene7711
    @hyperbene7711 3 роки тому +2

    It's a gem, this video. That faux fur really works as thatch, and as always, appreciate the historical background you threw in! (I will watch for thin thatch in movies now.) --Great tips on shortcuts for good-looking doors and windows too.

  • @FlowersInHisHair
    @FlowersInHisHair 3 роки тому +2

    I was skeptical of the faux-fur thatch, but when you painted it I was sold - the paint changes the texture like magic

    • @davidmarkley3015
      @davidmarkley3015 3 роки тому

      I wet the faux fur with diluted pva glue. Then comb down the fur as Eric did. This gives the thatching a little more texture. You can also use window screen material for the leaded glass windows. Not as elegant as the screening Eric used, but close enough. The spackle for grouting the fence was a new method for me.

  • @Beartree
    @Beartree 3 роки тому

    11:47 Genius method for roof shingles! Keep up the great work

  • @everthingtotal8798
    @everthingtotal8798 3 роки тому +2

    They turned out really well! The "mortar" effect on the stone wall is awesome--great idea! Also, the warm color choice you changed to, on the rocks, looks much better. The timbers, daub and roof all look great too.
    BTW, medieval peasants and commoners commonly used wooden "slits" like jail bars, in their windows. Then they simply had shutters to keep out the cold or heat. A cloth hanging may also have been put up, on the inside of the window, for further protection from the elements (like a curtain.)

  • @DiningTablePrintPlay
    @DiningTablePrintPlay 3 роки тому

    Those stone walls are perfect!
    Regarding the mesh windows: have you tried just pressing hot-glue into the mesh? Early windows had tiny panes like that because normal people could only afford small bits of lower-quality glass, and being able to actually see through them was less important than letting light in. If you place the mesh on a transparency sheet, squeeze a load of hot glue over it, then use a second transparency sheet to press the glue down into the mesh, you should be able to peel the transparencies off and leave just the less-optically-clear thin hot glue layer stuck actually between the mesh 'leading'. As a bonus I expect it would diffuse the light from the tealight more as well!

  • @SpeckedJim
    @SpeckedJim 3 роки тому +4

    Another great video! I was pretty sceptical about the fur but it looks brilliant when finished. Here in the UK we have a lot of dry stone walls on farms (especially in the north) so no need to worry about mortar.

  • @Zorpazorp
    @Zorpazorp 3 роки тому +1

    Love your work man, this was choice.

    • @Zorpazorp
      @Zorpazorp 3 роки тому +1

      Why the fuck have I never made my doors like that....

  • @dartfast
    @dartfast 3 роки тому +2

    Using that spackle as mortar between the rocks on the fence turned out brilliant, definitely makes me want to nab that technique and try building some big castle wall

  • @ZX-ou5op
    @ZX-ou5op 3 роки тому +3

    This guy thatches!
    Awesome work as always, Eric. I've seen many attempts at thatched roofs on terrain here on the UA-cams and many of them were excellent, but yours truly looks like the real deal.

  • @chillumaperios1873
    @chillumaperios1873 3 роки тому

    This was a trip down memory lane.. absolutely F 💣ing fantastic

  • @crapphone7744
    @crapphone7744 Рік тому

    The Spackle overcoat was genius!

  • @TheDopingman
    @TheDopingman 3 роки тому +3

    This video is exceptional. I used to love making models and terrain when I was small but I grew out of touch with it. This video has reinvigorated my interest! Thank you so much, genuinely.

  • @johnsmith-mi2uc
    @johnsmith-mi2uc 2 роки тому

    oh man i built that building too from the magazine! got that book as a gift from a friend a few years ago.

  • @dartmart9263
    @dartmart9263 3 роки тому +4

    AWESOME tutorial. And just in time too. I’m building a table full of terrain and felt overwhelmed. AND thank you for correcting yourself on the basswood! Those of us who have been train modelers cringe when we hear someone say “basewood”. Keep up the great work.

    • @EricsHobbyWorkshop
      @EricsHobbyWorkshop  3 роки тому +2

      I know the right way but i always say it wrong for some reason!

  • @goatmealcookies7421
    @goatmealcookies7421 3 роки тому

    Very nice terrain tutorial. Love both the shingles , stone, and thatch!

  • @shelleycovey8437
    @shelleycovey8437 Рік тому

    A great video, with some alternative techniques that I have not seen on other sites. I played D&D without any sets or models 40 years ago, then life took me other places. I am so fascinated with all this model making, and have been just watching the last month since I randomly saw a post by Garmin of Storycraft Society. Now my daughter and I are making a couple of things on the cheap. Thanks for your insight!

  • @katmom49
    @katmom49 3 роки тому

    Fur roof! I’m totally impressed!

  • @HacksawsHobbyBunker
    @HacksawsHobbyBunker 3 роки тому +2

    Cracking build! I have that same book, GW used to make some wonderful guides. Some brilliant techniques you devised for the roof and stonework. Cheers!

  • @d-bro-sector36
    @d-bro-sector36 3 роки тому

    Haha I have that book too and made several of those houses about 2 years ago for my kids. I kinda liked the simplicity of it.

  • @lonestarminis
    @lonestarminis 2 роки тому

    I love your mini collection man! I see you sneaking in those DOW pikes to defend the town!

  • @OreoPriest
    @OreoPriest 3 роки тому

    That piece from 20 years ago already looks great!

  • @brushmans-guild
    @brushmans-guild 3 роки тому +2

    Amazing that you used a pic of the Medieval Merchant's House (original name, huh?) in Southampton as inspiration - I knew I recognised it from the pic, I was there just last year!
    Awesome build as always, chap!

    • @EricsHobbyWorkshop
      @EricsHobbyWorkshop  3 роки тому +1

      Oh did I? I think i just googled some variations of “medieval house”. Thats really cool. I’d love to spend some more time in England taking in old architecture

    • @Flamethrower1942
      @Flamethrower1942 3 роки тому

      @@EricsHobbyWorkshop I highly recommend the Derbyshire peak District it's basically the shire from lord of the rings, lost of historic towns and stately homes.

  • @adammc8107
    @adammc8107 3 роки тому

    I got a double sided (winter/city) Warzone Studio fabric mat to try out, and... I love it. The fabic print is top notch and lays down just as nice as a neoprene mat. Added bonus, is it folds up super small. I own about 9 battle mats (8 neoprene and the 1 fabiric) and now wish I had more of them in fabric. that said, I usually do lay down a neoprene mat (over my two folding tables) and then put the fabric mat down on top (but that is just to cover the gaps where the two folding tables join).

  • @Homizi20
    @Homizi20 3 роки тому

    omg i remember wanting that book soooo badly! was young and broke... wow just a blast from the past..... love the videos m8 keep up the good work

  • @crapphone7744
    @crapphone7744 Рік тому

    Nice technique for the thatch roof. comes out a bit over scale and thickness but not terribly so and looks great after you paint it.

  • @alistairmacfadyen1925
    @alistairmacfadyen1925 3 роки тому +1

    I also have that book, still on my shelf and is a inspiration for my terrain building

  • @stuffandnonsense8528
    @stuffandnonsense8528 3 роки тому +1

    Absolutely awesome! Redolent of what I remember as the golden age of gaming.

  • @jeffhreid
    @jeffhreid Рік тому

    The fur for the thatch is very clever and effective

  • @AzraelThanatos
    @AzraelThanatos 3 роки тому

    For the windows, you could try adding a layer of wax paper between the mesh and the transparency. The compression should lock it in place and the wax paper's translucency would make it work for the appearance of the old leaded glass at scale

  • @frogpog7372
    @frogpog7372 7 місяців тому

    Love the castle crashers theme near the end of the video

  • @albertmast4627
    @albertmast4627 3 роки тому

    So funny I have exactly the same build and book on my shelf. Due to adulthood, jobs kids etc had to take a break, but getting back into it. Let’s see what I can do next. Thanks so much

  • @idontwanttopickone
    @idontwanttopickone 3 роки тому +4

    15:40 - It depends where the stone comes from. The reference image you were looking at was made from sandstone or limestone, which tends to be yellow-ish. But there is no reason your fantasy building couldn't be made out of granite, limestone, marble or slate, which are all kinds different colours - lots of blue-grey, red-grey and greenish-grey colours. Or honestly, if it's fantasy, you could say it's a fictional rock and make it any colour you like. Jade buildings? Obsidian buildings? Why not!? But the important thing is that all buildings in a town will likely be made of similar materials because (unless they are very wealthy) the materials will be what ever is available to them. Only wealthy people would be able to afford to ship stone or wood in from far away.

    • @DrOmegaBattleSphere
      @DrOmegaBattleSphere Рік тому

      Looks like Cotswold stone which is limestone, I actually think I may have been to where that reference image is.

  • @Nyveria
    @Nyveria 2 роки тому

    I've not even finished my backlog of nurgle dudes and your making me want to make a medieval village :D

  • @gozer87
    @gozer87 2 роки тому

    That tip to use fun fur for thatch will be very useful.

  • @dougsundseth6904
    @dougsundseth6904 3 роки тому

    It's pretty easy to make transparent plastic translucent, even after it's installed. All you need to do is use a fine-grit sandpaper on the side without the mesh. It's easier before you install the windows, but with buildings like these it would be really easy to do this even when they're finished.
    Depending on the plastic you use for the "glass", you could also use a plastic solvent like acetone (or super glue) to fog them if sanding is difficult.

  • @scottywan82
    @scottywan82 3 роки тому

    YES! I love that piece and the book! Happy Canada Day!

  • @grimdarkroast
    @grimdarkroast 3 роки тому

    I love that blue tape idea!
    That book and early White Dwarf articles were a big inspiration for my scratch building.

  • @nightfire734
    @nightfire734 3 роки тому +1

    This is definitely I saw as a kid (or even now) and was like "woah, that is way more detail than I could do with all that measuring and those perfect walls." and this breaks it down and makes me want to try something that seems unfeasible as a child.

  • @Flamethrower1942
    @Flamethrower1942 3 роки тому

    Great results and very easy to follow along .

  • @charlesfe
    @charlesfe 3 роки тому

    I just pulled that terrain book out from my bookshelf the other day and had a flip through it.

  • @jayseddon7525
    @jayseddon7525 3 роки тому

    great easy idea on how to do the dormer window and the roof line above it

  • @guadalupemunoz1767
    @guadalupemunoz1767 3 роки тому

    Always love tuning in to your videos

  • @ManJackThe
    @ManJackThe 11 місяців тому

    That door method is real good!

  • @Gamarishi
    @Gamarishi 3 роки тому

    "To make this rock hard", so we do have similar taste in humor hahahahaha Awesome video!

  • @MatthewCharmanadventures
    @MatthewCharmanadventures 3 роки тому +1

    SO inspiring!!! Plus I love that Bretonnian up on the roof: "Come 'ere you goaty buggers, I'll 'ave you!"

  • @OverkillJOE1
    @OverkillJOE1 3 роки тому

    Great tips!!!! Wonderful presentation!!
    Windows are awesome! Could also use a really fine sandpaper and rough the inside so light hits the little scratches that shines thru 👍

  • @DungeonMasterpiece
    @DungeonMasterpiece 3 роки тому

    Love the gothic blackletter font!

  • @bandvcreations5955
    @bandvcreations5955 3 роки тому +1

    Truly enjoy what you do. It inspirational, and a great distraction from the hum-drum. Thank you for being a part of my covid relief (there was only so much cable news I could watch). I look forward to each of your videos.

  • @paul_mak
    @paul_mak 3 роки тому

    This gave me a solid hit of nostalgia

  • @oscarmml6678
    @oscarmml6678 3 роки тому

    Love it, I have that book and I actually keep looking att it for inspiration

  • @DaLavenderhillMob
    @DaLavenderhillMob Рік тому

    I had the same book and made that house, new it looked to familiar. Cheers

  • @Melw44
    @Melw44 3 роки тому

    Just found your channel the other day. You do some great work. Thanks for sharing.

  • @BarringtonDrive
    @BarringtonDrive 2 роки тому

    Thos roofing technique is amazing. Will use it!

  • @samuelalexandermarkovnikov891
    @samuelalexandermarkovnikov891 3 роки тому

    I'm pretty sure that warm tan/yellowish stone is Cotswold Stone! Pretty unique to the area.

  • @jameslivingstone8267
    @jameslivingstone8267 3 роки тому +1

    I wish I was this good at building houses like that when I was 12! Thanks for another awesome video! I'm planning on making some ruined buildings soon, so this type of project is a huge inspiration for me!

  • @nobeldnoble7048
    @nobeldnoble7048 3 роки тому

    Just a small suggestion if i may....the thatch roofs have a horizontal "cut" at the bottom (as a overhang)...hope it helps!...awesome vid!..thanks for sharing!

  • @silversscratchbuiltproduct6277
    @silversscratchbuiltproduct6277 3 роки тому

    I loved watching this my fist was out of the White Dwarf a barn many many years ago. I'm more interested in the industrial builds you do and im working on a 4 ft × 8 ft modular industrial board and will post on my channel when I have it finished love your work keep it up!!!!

  • @ruaridhmackenzie3215
    @ruaridhmackenzie3215 3 роки тому +1

    Eric, this has to be one of your best videos (along with the mordheim series). Nice idea for the curved roof, I've started scoring my coffee sticks to increase the texture and superglue little patches of coconut fibre under the filler, to make crumbling wall sections, looks pretty good in my opinion

  • @bulkbu6331
    @bulkbu6331 3 роки тому

    the fluffy roof is a great idea :D

  • @kienesel7
    @kienesel7 3 роки тому

    The whole video is very good but that door around minute 5 is SICK

  • @alejandrotabilo1988
    @alejandrotabilo1988 2 роки тому

    Great video, with lots of information. I would like to see a video on a 1800 rural buildings. Cheers

  • @BroadswordWargaming
    @BroadswordWargaming 3 роки тому +1

    What a great build man! Classic terrain. 😍

  • @aduazenoni203
    @aduazenoni203 Рік тому

    wonderful work👏👏👏and very well explained tutorial👍

  • @Sudo_Nimh
    @Sudo_Nimh 3 роки тому

    That intro tunes with the village shots makes me think the Terminator is gonna shoot up Ye Olde Tech Noire

  • @davidsonfamily2930
    @davidsonfamily2930 3 роки тому

    I picked up about 3 new techniques here. Thanks!

  • @markt.3685
    @markt.3685 2 роки тому

    And this is another great video, much appreciated, thank you!

  • @alvaroaugustomeridio
    @alvaroaugustomeridio 2 роки тому

    I built the very same cottage from the very same book many years ago!! We're getting old...

  • @monsterhobbiesageofsigmar
    @monsterhobbiesageofsigmar 3 роки тому

    Bending the shingles...great idea!

  • @TylerProvick
    @TylerProvick 3 роки тому +1

    Your videos are dangerous. I love watching them and they make me want to make terrain despite making a pact with myself to not own or collect any terrain. I am lucky to have many hobby shops here in Ottawa I can play at, which gives me the opportunity to focus on painting and storing only miniatures. But then I watch your videos...

  • @ksbsnowowl3569
    @ksbsnowowl3569 3 роки тому +1

    Great video. Love it.
    Unfortunately, my local Hobby Lobby doesn’t seem to want to stock the long faux fur fabric like you used. I’ve had a terrible time trying to source fur that’s the proper length to look good.
    This vid is going in my terrain building favorites playlist, right beside Landvaettr’s Lair’s thatched roundhouses video. Great stuff!

    • @EricsHobbyWorkshop
      @EricsHobbyWorkshop  3 роки тому +2

      Landvaettrs stuff is so awesome, its a shame he doesnt post anymore

  • @Slydeish
    @Slydeish 3 роки тому +1

    Omg, I freaking love your builds.

  • @BananaPeelEuroTrash
    @BananaPeelEuroTrash 3 роки тому

    Ohh that book brings back memories. Used to browse through it for ages as a kid. Being super impressed and too scared to even try.

  • @sigurdbjohansson
    @sigurdbjohansson 3 роки тому

    Oh man, that book opened up so much for me when I started out! I never knew how you could build all that neat scenery with so simple stuff before I got it! That was one happy birthday :D

  • @flyinghotdog7270
    @flyinghotdog7270 3 роки тому

    I love your tutorials, always excited when my notifications ping for your new video. Keep them coming.

  • @msterrainlab
    @msterrainlab 3 роки тому

    Looking awesome!!
    Nice to see an old piece getting a new life!😊

  • @dkblap
    @dkblap 3 роки тому

    Good Music in this one. Much love

  • @edin6128
    @edin6128 3 роки тому

    I had the same book and I made the same piece back in the early 2000's :O