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PHEARABLE Stage 3 ECU Tune - DYNO TESTED!!! // 10th Gen (2018+) Honda Accord
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- Опубліковано 6 тра 2022
- How much horsepower & torque does the PHEARABLE Stage 3 off the shelf (OTS) base map ECU tune make on an otherwise stock 2019 Honda Accord 2.0? How much horsepower and torque can you gain from simply adding the KTUNER ECU tuner - let's find out! We put our 10th Gen Honda Accord - a 2019 Honda Accord 2.0 Touring project car on a DYNOJET dyno to compare both our baseline dyno numbers (link below), and the KTuner Stage 2 ECU tune (link below), to the Phearable Stage 3 ECU tune to find out if Phearable's performance claims are accurate. We'll routinely dyno test our 2019 Honda Accord 2.0 Touring as we embark on our Honda Accord's modification journey - next up, a custom ECU tune, PRL intercooler, PRL high-volume downpipe, you can help decide...
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Your videos are super insightful, and no one does it to your standard! Thank you for setting the benchmark for seeing how performance tuning works on these cars
Oh man, you made my day. 😁 Thank you for leaving such a nice comment 👍. It means a lot for me to hear this. Very much appreciated 🥹
@@TheLemonFactor I’ll always show my support, you deserve a lot more recognition in this community. Excited to see the direction your channel goes in!
Thanks again, Daany! What would you like to see be done in the future?
I really do appreciate you taken your time to switch from prl air intake to stock intake I know that takes a min to do and we all appreciate you spending your money to do all this for us from dyno testing to purchasing stuff that may or may not work or gain any hp or torque. But as what I saw from your video stage 2 is a better way to go I’m thinking the best step would be a custom tune to get the most out of your accord. at the moment I’m still with stage 2 with k&n air filter and my car moves! Can’t wait for your next video to see if u gain or lose power!! So I know what to do next to my accord. Thank you so much for your hard work!
I appreciate that - thank you! 👍 Yes, I feel like I can swap intakes in my sleep now 😂
Thank you bro this whole channel is a 2.0t goldmine of information 🙏🏻
I've been running the stage 3 for about 2 months now and honestly I'm in love with it. Really makes the car much more responsive and you feel the power on the high end alot more than the stage 2
Do you have any other supporting mods?
@@TheLemonFactorK&N drop in filter, plm downpipe, prl front pipe and a Rev 9 exhaust. I wanna go cold air intake at some point
@@SaltKillshow’s it been holding up? Planning on getting an accord soon
@christianjeanbaptiste1994 Going great, I've been daily driving the tune without any issues, I do about 200 miles a week on average on the car. Still having a blast with it
@@SaltKills happy to hear you’ve been having fun with it, appreciate the reply man 🙌🏾
Ive been rewatching all your videos on the Accord and planning on PRL HVI, oil catch can, Ktuner and Borla exhaust in the future.
Nice choices! 👍. Have you considered flex fuel?
YESSS. Didn't even start watching and already excited for this one.
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Chad, I ended up buying a K Tuner from Phearable after watching this! Man... I am blown away. Mine just has a K&N drop in with aftermarket lighter wheels.
I’m glad to hear that you found the video informative 👍. The Phearable Stage 3 tune is a great tune, not just because of the power gains, but it’s smoothness in power delivery.
I want to do this set up, since it’s a daily car. I assume this would be safe
I'm so glad you posted this video and keep the Accord community so informed! I too, have a Phearable Stage 3, an Injen Performance Air Intake, and a Hasport 62A upper torque mount installed. It truly and absolutely moves.
I recently installed the performance air intake, mainly to hear the turbo better not for actual gains, however, with this stage 3 tune and then adding the air intake, I definitely noticed more power!
The torque mount helps quite a bit with wheel hop. I was honestly expecting to feel much more vibrations in my cabin, but honestly feel very little. It's a worthy investment, though fair warning, Hasport is very behind with orders, my mount took over 3 months to get to me.
I've been running my Stage 3 for about a year now while completely stock and just added the air intake and upper torque mount, the difference is definitely noticeable as well. Just something I'd throw out there in case anyone is looking to upgrade their Accord.
Thank you, Ryan for providing your feedback. It will be interesting to see if we see any gains on the dyno with the addition of the PRL HVI on the Phearable Stage 3 🤔.
@@TheLemonFactor absolutely no problem, I thank you for all your videos and research!! I'm also interested in seeing if there are any visible gains, can't wait!!
Thank you for your support, Ryan. 👍😁
How is it holding up? any problems?
Thanks again for yet another fantastic video! My ‘21 2.0T Sport is still completely stock, so these videos are really exactly the info I need to make the right mod decisions. This makes me so excited to get the Phearable Stage 3. Thank you sir!
I’m glad to hear that you’re finding them helpful in making a decision as to what the right mods for you are 👍
hows the car held up after another year?
Cars running great! Still loving the Kuro turbo 👍
Your video made me go wth the Phearable stage 3 and holy shiznit! 😍
Night and day difference and my knock is stay right around 50. Thanks for all testing that you do!
😅. Glad to hear that you’re happy with the Phearable Stage 3 tune 👍. Thank you for leaving a supportive comment and the feedback 😁
Thanks! A JB4 comparison would be excellent as well. Keep up the great work, we all enjoy your channel!
Thanks for the support, Shawn! 😁
I agree! Jb4 comparison would be nice, I’ve been running jb4 on 2020 2.0t sport 10-auto since 20K miles and now at 68k but the last 10k miles or so I’ve been adding 1 to 1.5 gallons of E85 with 91 and helps out with knock control quite a bit otherwise knock is very high on these accords even when with slightly pushed…but it’s a lil expensive like ~$650ish. Maybe and just maybe I’ll give my jb4 to lemon factor (for some dyno pulls perhaps 😊) when I move onto phearable stage 3….but they’re days when jb4 stage 3 is sublime!!
It would be interesting to see how the JB4 compares to the KTuner 🤔. What knock levels are you seeing and under what conditions?
@@TheLemonFactor regarding knock levels, they spike up to as much as 0.75ish when full pedal to the floor (and that’s with 1 gallons of e85) but otherwise stay around 0.49-0.50…. However if I don’t add gallon or so of e85 and just stay on 91 alone, they’re in the mid to high 0.5’s upto 0.60 or even a lil higher when just normal driving around town but as soon as get on it (full send) they go up to 0.7’s
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Love the video, thanks for the info. I am running catless downpipe, Hondata E30 tune on a 10 speed. To help with traction I went with Michelin PS All Season 4 tires 255/40/19 on stock rims. Also installed a manual trans. upper motor mount, it's stiffer than the automatic motor mount. A small amount of vibration when I first installed it, but after a few drives it seemed to settle in and not noticable any more. For handling, I installed an Eibach rear sway bar, that along with the new Michelins made a dramatic difference in handling. It is even more fun than before.
Thank you! I’m glad you found the info helpful 👍. Sounds like you have quite a build 😎. Have you taken it to the track?
Solid info. Thanks Chad for all the hard work getting quality info out to the community
My pleasure, Zachary! Thanks for watching and leaving a positive comment. 😁
I’m getting a 2.0 currently looking for a manual but it’s been hard to find so I may have to opt for a 10 speed which I don’t mind
Also your videos on these 10th gen accords are amazing so detailed man I appreciate it
Good luck with your search for your new Honda Accord 👍. I’m really glad to hear that you find the videos helpful 😁
Great info as always dude. Really wish prl had their version 2 out when you were doing the comparison. Can't wait to see the next one
Thanks for the support, Aizen!
love this car man. great pulls none the less much improvement from the previous dyno runs ✨ ✨ ✨
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This is great. I’m planning on upgrading to a 10th Gen accord 2.0 soon and I enjoy watching your videos. I’m curious to see if the intake makes much of a difference or not. Keep up the great work!
Thank you! I’m not getting my hopes up that the PRL HVI will add much considering the results from the KTuner Stage 2. 😬
I have the same tune on my .otherwise stock 21 TLX A-Spec. LOVE IT!!
The TLX is one good looking car 😁🤔
Dude that's awesome I would totally spend the money on one... but alas they don't come in a stick shift.
Appreciate these videos man! My KTUNER v2 arrived in the mail the other day! I'm super excited. Currently waiting on the KTUNER team too see if they can get it working for me cause unfortunately my ECU isn't on the supported list 😭 Hopefully they can sort it or it'll be a new compatible ECU
😬. Hopefully they’ll be able to get it straightened out for you. Good luck 🤞
Been waiting on this vid! Thanks!
You considering getting the Phearable Stage 3?
@@TheLemonFactor After my warranty ends in a few years, definitely! I’m gonna plan which mods to do thanks to channels like yours :)
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Good stuff Chadd. Thank you for the useful info. 👍🏻
You’re welcome! Thank you for the watch and support 👍
I’ll become a patron and recommend testing HPS aluminum intercooler pipes vs the PRL silicone intercooler hoses both are larger than stock diameter either one should pair nicely to these tunes!
I could use all the Patron’s I can get… thanks for your support 👍
Down here in Miami. With out 93 and below sea level the ktuner stage 2 is around 300hp. Thats the average we see from all the accords that are bone stock and stg2 tune.
Yesss thank youu 💪🏽!!!
Thank you, Denzel! Appreciate your continued support 👍😁
Almost been a month need more videos haha I need to know what to add to my car to gain hp and torque please!!! 😂
😁 a new video will be released on Saturday 👍
Awesome news!! Can’t wait!!! I’m excited tbh!!
I hope you enjoy it 👍
Nice comparison and opinion sir!! Wondering, have you sold the mishimoto intake that you used for the testing? I’m interested if you haven’t. Thanks!
I have sold the Mishimoto air intake. I do have the aFe Takeda if you’re interested. Let me know.
Do you think the ecu was reducing timing/boost as a result of the 91 octane? The ecu makes adjustments when 93 vs. 87 octane is used. I'm so used to old school turbo tuning. Timing/boost/afr. Set your afr, turn up the boost and fuel. Go! The GN loves cold weather! I read where Honda and late model turbo cars want consistent performance in hot/cold & sea level/high altitude. Just my .02 cents! The Phearable Stage 3 is a hot tune and really needs quality 93 to perform at it's peak.
No, not at all. The K.cont and K.count readings were very solid. The data logs look great, and the pulls were very consistent. With that said… results may vary. I think I’m able to get away with it, because of the fact that I’m at high altitude with less oxygen in the air.
These cars make so much torque down low! A CTR turbo with a higher 2500-4500 rpm powerband should help with traction and top end pull.
I think a CTR turbo upgrade would suit this car very well 🤔
My only gripe with the stage 3 is pricing vs what you gain isn't proportional. Stage 1 & 2 are free via the purchase of a ktuner, stage 3 is almost $200 on top of the purchase of a ktuner and 3rd party. @ the cost of stage 3 you could have applied that $200 into a custom tune and got a superior product. Stage 3 is still off the shelf but a high price tag. Now if this was $50-75 I'd say go for it but @ $200 anyone considering purchasing a tune should honestly consider going custom
When comparing the cost to a custom tune, maybe, but compared to other mods like an air intake, downpipe, front pipe, exhaust, etc it’s a better ROI.
@@TheLemonFactor that's debatable, if your talking about a straight HP/TQ gain sure but if we're being honest and covering every gain including things like IATs, airflow restrictions, ect probably the greatest ROI mod for the gen X with or without a tune is either the PRL or moshimoto intercooler especially given the numerous cases of mystery limp mode activation any time there's mist out, hard rain, or other weather phenomenon that causes water buildup in the stock intercooler causing limp mode that none of the aftermarket intercoolers are subject to throwing the car into limp mode during these situations. They already recalled the RDX intercooler for this issue but have yet to do the same for the accord knowing it's a common issue
Great video
Thank you, Jmarcos! I appreciate that 😁
yesssir finally!
maybe stage 3+prl hvi+flex fuel 👀👀 or stage 3+flex fuel 🥹
Flex Fuel next, or downpipe?
Stage 4 is the FlexFuel tune, its $199
@@TheLemonFactor flex fuel def, biggest diff between the 2
@@Ransack777 i meant stage 4*
In your other video where you did a dyno test of the K tuner stage 2, you recorded an average of 250whp and 306toq? I am confused on how in this test you came up with 277 whp on the same stage 2 tune from K tuner.
Another nice video! So if you're around 5000ft in Colorado what kind of numbers do you think you'd get at sea level with stage 3?
Thank you. These dyno results are standardized for altitude. This way comparisons can be made regardless of altitude and other various atmospheric conditions such as temperature and humidity.
@@TheLemonFactor just purchased ktuner from phearable wth stage 3. I plan on keeping it stock with just a k&n drop in, Incase I trade it in down the road.
#Sleepermobile
I'm sure you'll be quite happy with the Phearable Stage 3. Unfortunately, you may also be looking for some stickier tires too ; )
Thanks so much. This is good
Thank you for the watch and comment 👍
Another great video! Aside from the stage 3 tune was the accord stock?
Thank you! I appreciate your supportive comment. Yes, other than the tune, the car does not have any other power producing modifications.
@@TheLemonFactor thanks for the reply! Do you know if tuning the accord with phearable or ktuner would void factory warranties? This is one of the reasons I’m swayed to not touch my 2.0t at the moment. Also keep doing what you’re doing, youre honestly a pioneer with these types of videos so informative and straight forward.
If you’re in the U.S., although they can’t void your entire warranty, if they can attribute the warranty issue to the tune then they’ll most likely deny the claim. With that said, I’ve had mixed experiences with dealerships over the years 🤷♂️
If I stall this on my car will it ruin my reliability and or mileage, and is there a way to switch back to stock
Bruce Willis is a badass tunner😂
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Did you use the 91 tune or 93 tune?
Thanks!
Many thanks for your support, TheDougTechCrew!!! 😁👍
Great video! I'm curious of the reliability over time though? Say 2-3 years. Any negatives? Thanks
I've heard of many people running the tunes for several years now, without problem. I think it depends upon how much you push the car. If you're always hammering on the throttle with WOT runs at peak boost, it's certainly not going to help reliability, as you ask your turbo to put out more boost than what was originally programmed by Honda. It's also important that you make sure to put a high octane, and high quality fuel in and watch your K.cont for signs of knock.
Is it easy to install k tuner 2 to phearable tune 3?
Yes, super simple to upload the new file.
Epic video!!!Ayo brotha this is the 91 octane version right, I want to get the 93 version but is it okay for me to run 91 sometimes on the 93 version?!!
I honestly wouldn’t beat on your car if running 91 with a 93 tune you can drive it just don’t go crazy. I had another car and went on vacation mine was tuned for 93 and all they had was 91 at all of the gas stations. I put 91 in and the engine starting knocking and I had a loss of power and gas mileage. In that case add in an octane booster to be safe and continue to drive it normally until you get 93. Just my two cents !
I wanna know to!
Unless you’re planning to mix in a gallon of E85, don’t run 93.
@@HondaAccordPerformance so always have a bottle of octane booster in the car right?
@@24gabe gotchu, the problem is i dont have any e85 around me and 93 is also kinda scarce, can i jus add one of those octane boosters in
Did you use the 91 Octane version?
Yes, he stated 91 octane used at 3:05.
Chad, did you notice the loss in torque with the Phearable tune gave you better traction at lower speeds/rpm's... or specifically from a dig? If you say yes I'm sold on this over a custom tune. I'm not trying to run 11's, just want to make sure I put RT Chargers, N-Line Elantras and WRX's in their place.. haha!
It would still be close.
@B Hoffman - I still easily break the tires loose 🤷♂️. But with stickier tires there may be a difference.
@@TheLemonFactor ha! That’s what I figured. I’m actually in the market for summer tires right now. Buying those before I do anything else to this thing!
I’ve started looking (again) for lightweight rims and summer tires. I get too overwhelmed with the choices in rims 🤷♂️
I lowered my car on coilovers and it’s helped a bit with wheel spin from a dig. Currently running stock tires and I’m sure some stickier tires will help even more. Keep I mind, 2.0’s will always have wheel spin regardless. Falken azenis rt615k+ are great or if you have the cash, PS4S. Will be running 265/35/19 soon.
Every video you make, you make me want to get the k tuner for my 2021 2.0T...but I'm scared to void warranty so the basic JB4 keeps calling my name...do you think they will really be checking if I messed with my ecu if all I'm doing is getting oil changes at the dealer
Probably not noticeable, all they do at oil changes is the actual oil change and the oil maintenance light is reset, if you’re really stressed about it, you can flash the car to stock for dealer services.
Also, car dealerships can’t void your warranty unless they can prove your tune did something to break something, check your laws in ur state
@Eloiseau - for routine maintenance, I sincerely doubt it. If you have an engine related issue they may. It is a tough call, as you never know what’s going to happen 🤔🤷♂️
I have JB4 and a KTuner w/Phearable Stage3. You won't be disappointed with either. I've sent logs to JB4 and everything always looked good. I have the wifi unit and app with the JB4. It's pretty awesome. Let me know if you have any questions!
@@87gn93what is jB4
Jealous that you're K Cont readings are so much lower than mine lol. I drive around at like .65 and usually after a good WOT pull it'll go up to as high as .75 (before it shifts usually making it go higher)
Are you on the Phearable Stage 3 tune for 91 or 93 octane?
@@TheLemonFactor Custom tune on 91. Readings were worse when I was on KTuner's 91 stage 2 so that's why I went to a custom tune so quickly.
I think it has to do with your fuel quality. try switching to a better gas station and check agin
@@danish2199 that's what I thought too. Went from Circle K to Shell and noticed at higher RPM it was lower so I'm happier with where it's at now. Not as low as .51 but not reaching .80 like it was after a WOT before. Usually around .70 is where I get to now. Tuner had me bring down the gap on my plugs too and that with the fuel is what helped
I bet altitude accounts for some of the lower k counts too. Less dense air at altitude means slightly lower cylinder pressures, and less knock as a consequence
Can you test out a mazda 3 turbo? i live in Ca and just bought one wihtout even realizing I dont have access to 93 octane gas....
Is it tuned specifically for 93 octane? What’s wrong with using 91?
@@TheLemonFactor idk Mazda says it’s tuned for 93 but some say 91 is fine and others say it’s not I have heard so many different statements. And there’s not a single video of a 2021+ Mazda turbo being put on a Dyno
You should be fine assuming it’s stock. When car manufacturers indicate premium fuel, although 93 octane is preferred, 91 should be acceptable.
@@TheLemonFactor ok sweet I bought a 2022 and I am picking it up today fresh from the factory
Nice! Congratulations and enjoy!
Question, does this tune get better top speed? I hate falling on its face after 120 mph. Thanks in advance
Yes, it does remove the speed limiter 👍
Where you get the valve cover plastic from?
I purchased mine from College Hills Honda… 2019 Honda Accord 2.0 - Civic Type R Engine Cover Install
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@@TheLemonFactor thanks bro!
What was the difference between this video than the video before that produced more hp?
hey i’m running stage 2 and my k con varies from .5 all the way to a .8 and would love to know if that is horrible i use 91 and am located in northern us please give me some insight on this
Adding a gallon or two of ethanol (E85) to a full tank should help as it effectively raises your octane rating. If that doesn’t help and you routinely see >.65 then I would recommend that you consider getting a custom tune 👍
The other vid you made less power with the phearable stage 3 what’s the difference
Hey chad how does your k.con number stays around .49-.51? After a couple pulls for me using phearable stage 3 it goes to like .6-.79 but eventually it’ll go down but how’d you get yours to stay? Gas quality? I use 93 from shell/ Chevron
When you refer to "pulls" are you talking about on the dyno, or on the street, and if it's on the street is it from a dig, or a roll and to what RPM? I ask all of this as my k.cont numbers do change depending on the situations I describe above, with some situations having a stable 0.49-0.55 range, while others increase, but I'm also in a unique situation. With that said, I'm wrapping up a video in which I discuss just this topic based on my experience.
So I watched this video and your stage 2 KT video you only got 251WHP on Ktuner stage 2 and on this tune you all the way up to 290+ WHP?
The dyno comparison between the Phearable Stage 3 and KTuner Stage 2 can be found at 6:40. Not sure why you're referencing the 251whp (which is the baseline number).
@@TheLemonFactor I need to find the link to your other video. You showed 251whp and this video you show different graphs I’ll see if I can find ur video name
KTUNER Stage 2 - DYNO TESTED // 10th Gen
Honda Accord… that was your video name I watched then I watched this one so idk what is true n fake any more so that’s why I compared my numbers I wrote up there
“True n fake…”.??? What are you talking about. The info is right in the video.
@TheLemonFactor! LLC I know absolutely nothing about cars but I bought a 2022 Honda Accord 2.0T today and I'd like to add the Phearable Stage 3 and the intercooler you suggested in your other video and don't know where to start. I'd also like to improve the smoothness of the ride and the handling. Any help/suggestions you can offer would be greatly appreciated, thanks!
Congratulations on your new car! I would recommend first getting the KTUNER and using the included Stage 2 tune. To improve handling (not necessarily smoothness) upgrading to a larger rear sway bar helps a lot. Checkout the Honda Accord playlist on the channels, there you’ll find a bunch of relevant videos 😁👍
@@TheLemonFactor Thank you so much, I've already scoped out the Eibach rear sway bar, so thanks for that! Where do I get the KTUNER from?
You can buy the Ktuner from PRL Motorsports, Axion Industries, or even on Amazon. Here's an Amazon link that also includes a windshield mount...amzn.to/3PlAx2w
@@TheLemonFactor thanks again! I’ll keep you posted! I really appreciate your help.
I see you are in CO? Isnt the entire state at a higher elevation and drop your horsepower numbers? Im in FL so sea level and good 93 octane
Yes I am. However, it doesn’t matter as all the dyno tests are standardized to account for differences in altitude, and other atmospheric conditions.
Do you think Stage 3 requires after market engine mounts? I've heard that from others?
Required? Engine mounts have nothing to do with the tune. However if you’re experiencing a lot of wheel hop when taking off from a standstill they may help as the limit the movement of the engine, but the mounts will result in more vibration that can be felt inside the car. I’m not a huge fan of them unless you plan to regular track your car, launching from a standstill. With that said, I may test them in the future 🤔
They really help with on off throttle at high rpm. Also helps your transmission feel way more direct when it shifts. Just the transmission feel alone makes the upper mount worth it. The lower mount does add alot of vibration though
Can you run tunes without changing spark plugs? I know a lot of these turbo cars need colder plugs
You do not need to change your spark plugs when running the OTS tunes.
What's the 0-60 with the Phearable tune? Cant find any info on this
Checkout the channel page for the follow up videos - there’s one where we test the 0-60mph of the Phearable Stage 3 and another for the Phearable Stage 4. 👍
I'd enjoy doing this. But heard now California won't pass smog with a tune?
Ouch! That’s not surprising.
Just flash back to stock and you’ll be fine.
I'm currently on stage 2 ktuner and I slightly struggle with traction when I gas hard. Do you think if I upgrade to stage 3, I'll have an even bigger issue with traction?
If you're currently struggling with traction n the KTuner Stage 2, you'll most likely have a similar experience with the Phearable Stage 3, just at a little higher RPM.
Hi chad , so I flashed my car with the stage 3 but it’s hard to tell the difference from the stage 2 . I only use the tuner view so it’s alittle difficult to read my levels . But how do I find out if my car is flashed or not ? It is a possibility I flashed back to factory but I don’t know aha
I would simply reflash the Phearable Stage 3 again 🤷♂️
Silly question for everyone,
Would this work on a Hybrid?
Have you tested the hondata tube by chance?
The “tune”? No, I haven’t 🤷♂️
Will you ever do a jb4 review/ dyno?
It is a consideration, but not at the top of the list. It would be interesting to see how it compares to a KTuner Stage 2.
@@TheLemonFactor thanks for all the videos. They have been very helpful with my intake install and future installs. I’d like to only run 93 through the motor. The highest 93 jb4 map is rated at 4.5 psi over stock. Id guess thats around 275 whp with no other mods. Whats your opinion on the jb4?
I’m glad to hear that you find the videos helpful 👍. I can’t comment specifically on the JB4 and its use on the Accord. However, if it’s tuned properly it may be a good option 🤷♂️. I do plan on testing the JB4 on our other project car, the 2023 Toyota GR Supra 👍😁
so in order to get the peferable stage 3 i have to buy the ktuner v2?
Yes, that’s correct. The Phearable Stage 3 is the actual tune you would use the KTuner to upload to your car. With that said, the KTuner Stage 2 tune comes free as part of the purchase of the KTuner. 👍
Hey bro... This question probably gets asked a lot... But what's your DA there Colorado? I'm assuming someone with the same setup would make more power closer to sea level? Thanks for all the videos it's definitely helpful to see what these upgrades do
The dyno standardizes for altitude and a handful of other environmental factors. My actual, non-standardized number is actually lower. To answer your question, I’m at 5,600-6,000 ft above sea-level.
@@TheLemonFactor appreciate the feedback bro! Well then since it's corrected those should be close to sea level numbers..... Again appreciate the videos hope to see more soon!
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Why did you only run the car to roughy 5.6k rpm? Also the PHEARABLE with less torque that low in the rpm range is healthier for the engine with less cylinder pressure and less opportunity for pre-ignition. Being in CO you have E85 everywhere, it would not hurt to add a gallon or two a tank to reduce possible knock.
The car is a 10AT and automatically shifts at ~5700 RPMs. With the K.cont values being so low, and very few K.count instances, there’s no need to add E85 for this tune 😁👍
@@TheLemonFactor But why does the car shift at 6500rpm when on the road and at 5700 when on Dyno ??
@@TheLemonFactor Copy that. Any tuners with control over the transmission out there? Not familiar with Honda.
@Mark - Unfortunately, none that I’m aware of 🤷♂️. It would be great to have the ability to make some adjustments, like the Audi folks have with API.
@@TheLemonFactor so me having a completely stoc car ive been only using 93 octane for a while now right, so my question is do you think my 2.0t engine being at 44k miles (completely stoc) will be okay still only using 93 octane when i tune with the stage 3 while also makin this my first mod to the car? Also could you do a vid on flex fuel kit an how its works my brain just isn’t understanding the whole how it work an E85 thing 🤦🏾♂️
i was 2.0t 10at FBO with stage 3 using octane 93, cobb dyno on long island , that guy dyno my car and it show 261 whp / 362tq. thats really weird. i thought i was more than 300 whp lol.. what a joke. i cant believe that dyno from long island anymore.
That’s very strange. The tq readings are there, but hp is closer to a stock number. What kind of dyno are they running?
@@TheLemonFactor his machine called dynapack have to take off the wheel.
I may have missed it in the video, but did you order a 91 or 93 octane Phearable tune? The 93 octane is likely what they used for their ~304whp ~370wtq claims. Edit: Just saw on a different comment that you’re on the 91 tune.
I’m on the 93 tune, using 91 octane. Due to the high altitude and lower oxygen content it was recommended to try it. As you can see from my low K.cont values the car seems to like it 😁👍
@@TheLemonFactor what’s your elevation? I use 91 mixed with e85 on the 93 tune and sometimes it still goes to .60, I’m 2600ft above sea level. I’m also in hot Arizona so that doesn’t help lol
I’m at 5,600-6,000 ft above sea level.
@@TheLemonFactor wow making practically 300whp? That’s really good I didn’t expect that
That is standardized for altitude and other environmental variables so the values can be compared globally. The number is more indicative of what one would get at sea-level. My actual number is lower due to my altitude.
Lemon factor, I’m confused why was the difference between stage 2 and the phearable 3 in your old video that came out a year ago so drastic 20 horsepower and 44 torque ! Now the gap has narrowed why is that?
Good question, Brian. I moved from MA to CO, from sea-level to almost 6,000ft above sea-level, although I used the same type of dyno, the DynoJet, it's still a different dyno, the octane used went from 93 octane in MA to 91 octane in CO. More importantly, the engine is in it's prime, now that's it's been thoroughly broken in. Now, I can't tell you exactly which one of these variables had the biggest impact, but knowing that there were so many changes I had reset the dyno testing, which included establishing new baseline tests once I moved here (videos can be found not he channel page).
@@TheLemonFactor Thanks for the response. I had my k tuner from my V6 Accord so I think I’m just going to do the Stage 2 since it won’t cost me anything.
I personally don’t think the Stage 3 is worth it unless you haven’t bought your ktuner yet. Phearable also raised their prices from $180 (on sale) to $200 now (on sale) regular price is $250! The difference from going from a stock tune to stage 2 will be more noticeable than going from a stage 2 to phearable stage 3 - based off numbers. If I’m upgrading from the stage 2 base map tune it will be to a flex fuel stage 4 phearable tune or a custom dyno tune.
A custom tune is definitely a good option.
@@TheLemonFactor Thank you so much for testing again an answering this question. My 2018 2.0t now has over 40K and feels like it has become quicker.
My pleasure. Thank you for your support 👍. What other plans do you have for your Honda Accord?
I noticed phearable mention the use of a stock maf housing may result in uneven fuel trims, have you had any issues with that? Thank you
I’ve experienced different fuel trims between banks in stock trim, with the KTuner Stage 2 and Phearable Stage 3, so yes, I’ve seen it, but it’s not unique to the Phearable tune.
@@TheLemonFactor I appreciate the response. Yeah I’ve flashed back to stage 2 a few times now due to the improper fuel trims until I at least grab a prl hvi. I honestly have zero issues with the trims when on stage 2, but they go crazy on stage 3.
When you say that they go crazy, do you mean that the LTFT is constantly fluctuating without settling?
@@TheLemonFactor Yes, correct. It goes up to 10% when driving and stays around there until I give it a break & come back to drive the car later in the day again. The stage 2 seems to stay at 0% & going up to 3% or so at times but never surpasses that.
Now I’m no expert in tuning, but I don’t think it’s a problem to see your LTFT move as long as it finds consistency.
Are you on oem spark plugs?
I also have a 10AT Accord mine is stock is it normal for rpms to hang if you accelerate quickly and let off? Mine did that today. I accelerated fast 0-40 and saw a cop so I let off right away off the throttle and my rpms were stuck at 3500-4000 for 2-3 seconds before the transmission shifted up. Is that normal ? When driving normal it doesn’t have that issue it’s done this several times on me.
You are probably experiencing “rev hang”
Same with me 2020 2.0 accord
@Brian - rev hang effects manual transmission cars. What you might be experiencing is the AT trying to decide which gear it should be in. If you’re coming off the throttle abruptly from WOT it’s probably holding the higher RPM expecting that you’ll get back on the throttle. I’ve had this happen, not just with the Honda Accord, but other AT cars when they’re in their sportiest setting.
91 or 93 Stage 3 tune? Phearable offers both.
93 tune, but with 91 fuel - crazy that my k.cont are so solid. It was recommended to try this route due to the elevation and thinner air, and it seems to like it 👍
r u using any torque mounts?
I am not using any engine torque mounts.
I think I heard a lot of turbo sputter on hard acceleration... I had that with early spool turned on and the more aggressive options on ktuner. Dialed it back and turned off early spool and it went away. I'm assuming it's not a good thing.
I've got early spool on and no problems. Though. Mine is a manual
I didn’t hear any sputtering 🤷♂️
@@TheLemonFactor when it's WOT, you don't hear the turbo machine gunning?
No I don’t.
@@TheLemonFactor maybe it's my speakers 🤣 great review BTW!
Why not hondata?
can i use phearable with stock parts?
Yes, you can use the tune without having to upgrade any other parts.
Hey man! Will this stage tune be safe for my 1.5 cvt?
Yes, they have a stage 3 tune for your 1.5 cvt.
In my state Cali only have 91 octane is pherable stage 3 tune worth it?
That’s all I have access to (91 octane), and I think it’s well worth it 👍
@@TheLemonFactor alright thanks
@@TheLemonFactor this tune will help lower my knock con better then stage 2?
Make sure that you’re using the highest octane Tier One gas possible. If you’re experiencing high K.Con values, try adding a gallon or two of E85.
@@TheLemonFactor right now at moment in Cali its winter my kcount stay 49 to 55 but in summer its at 60-70
Wish i was smarter and knew what the hell K-control numbers are
This was only 180?????
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get the V2 HVI!
I really doubt the new design is going to add any benefit. If anything it may hurt as it’s open underneath (similar to the aFe Takeda). However, if you’d like to send me one I’ll test it.
@@TheLemonFactor after seeing your HVI Dyno video I'd have to agree lol 😂
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What's the point of trying to tune a car with all those factory bottlenecks? Why don't you compare tunes on a car that is FBO?
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