When you think of all the things to do in your life , daily struggles, chores, things to figure out., things to fix... that this gentleman takes the time to make these videos is absolutely wonderful...
Praise Yah (God), thank you brother for doing this work and bring the truth of Yah's Word & His creation to His people : HalleluYah! Psalm 68 : 4-5, Sing to God (Elohim), sing praises to His name; Extol Him who rides on the clouds, By His name YAH, And rejoice before Him. 5, A father of the fatherless, a defender of widows, Is God in His holy habitation. (nkjv).
@@HoneyHollowHomestead 'Yes' I believe the peaceful dinosaurs God (Yah) created' were allowed onto the ark as babies; like the vegetarian long-necked dinosaurs called Sauropods,.. But I don't believe the violent creatures mankind created through fallen angel knowledge & technology - (see the book of Jasher), through the mixing of species to make new violent creature, possibly like the T Rex dinosaur types; which didn't survive the flood because I & others believe they were never allowed on the ark because they were not of God perfect creation' Mankind is now again doing this great sin by mixing up the species, And Christ said in : Matthew 24 : 37, As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. Are we getting close to Christ's return ? I would say - 'Yes we are'
I attended a bible study where the subject was what the earth was like before the flood. It was proposed , because we are not completely sure what the conditions were at that time, that the earth was surrounded by a heavy warm atmosphere so much that the bible references the sun and the moon as the greater light and lesser light. After the flood it is referred to as the sun and moon. The conditions were so favorable that plant life grew in great abundance. The large dinosaurs were the means to maintain this balance by consuming large quantities of plant life. After the flood the earths conditions changed so they were no longer needed. All the water held in the atmosphere was released and that became our oceans and the extra is stored in the polar ice regions. Man indeed lived longer because the earth was protected from the harmful effects of the suns radiation (aging) on our bodies. The result of God's plan to change the earth also changed the need for a completely different eco-system which resulted in only certain animal species put into the Ark. No need for very large plant eating animals and their predators to keep them in check. Also the very real fact that with mankind living so long it is very clear, as stated in the bible, that their evil ways increased. We see that today even with an expected life span drastically reduced men are capable of tremendous evil. Just imagine how evil mankind could become living such long life spans. There also remains the mystery of the demonic realm injecting itself into the genetic biology of mankind. The Omniscience, Omnipresence and Omnipotence of our Heavenly Father, Son and Holy Spirit is wonderful to contemplate and study.
There is still water in the ground. it is extracted when drilling for mineral oil. i wonder if it is salty. the salt we got now in the oceans is probably salt that was washed out from the ground. the mineral oil, coal and gas are compressed humans, plants, animals and all kind of biological stuff that inhabited the earth before the flood.
Just imagine Klaus Schwab living close to a thousand years... yikes! But seriously, I do wonder what the preflood land was like. All we have that remains today is the precambrian basement granite rock that likely existed before the flood. The way it is suggested plants were more difficult to grow in the past makes me wonder how different that ecosystem was. I also wonder how much stronger the magnetic field was, and how it interacted with the environment.
There is an Ancient Greek legend of the 'Golden Age of Man', when no farming was necessary as edible wild plants would spring up from the Earth in abundance
This is so interesting to me because there was no alternative for me growing up. I was taught evolution and plate tectonics from that evolutionary and materialistic perspective.The Bible, under that view, was just a supernatural set of stories that you believed in on Sunday apart from "real science".
You forgot to mention that there was no rain before the flood. That a mist in the morning watered the plants. Also that there were four major rivers supplying the dry land.
@@nexpro6985 And your point is...? "...for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground. 6But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground."
Imagine water emerging fron the ground. I GUESS the whole earth before the flood or more so in the time of Garden Eden, tge whole earth as kind of womb. Like a "living being" on its own.providing perfect conditions for life
Are you planning to discuss climate and physical conditions in detail at a later date? For instance some YE theorists think that the oxygen levels and barometric pressure was higher.
Adam's job was to keep the garden. I ask this as serious questions - - Do you think Adam just picked up sticks or did he have tools such as something to prune with? Did he have a tool belt? ..a tool shed? How did they stay warm in the cool of the evening since they were naked? Were they curious about what lay outside the garden? Did they have a desire to explore?
Today's most abundant source of oil is in Saudi Arabia's deserts ,pointing to Garden of Eden once rich climate ,no oil in Sahara or or other big deserts .No computers ,sheds or plastics back than , life can change quite dramaticaly when evironment is no longer once it was . All is left is some tools ,piramids and written records that some will latter dismiss as fakes ,all we see fades away .Bible is vague but a record some can consider of things not found in most backyards .
The bible tells us that God gave Adam dominion over the whole world so Adam must of been aware of what was outside the garden. As for tools, who knows what technology pre fallen Adam was capable of creating. Since it was natural for Adam to speak and walk with God in the garden then Adam's brain was likely able to perceive the higher dimensions (spirit world) so who knows tools/tech Adam was able to make with his superior brain and close relationship with God. I suspect Adam may have had a limited form of godliness wherein he can make things happen by just saying it....but who knows, this is just my speculations.
What natural selection demonstrates is that God, not some ephemeral "force" is still intimately involved in His creation, working, directing, and keeping it alive toward His goal of total creation redemption, including humans through our Lord Jesus Christ.
yeh. it needs a diploid genome to work on like we have so there is back up copies of defective genes. its smart really. the best example of natural selection in humans is a kid born with a genetic disease and dies. natural selection=death. lol
I think they had even higher tech then than we have now because the fallen angels came with goods to barter for wives. Unfortunately all that technology was used for evil and for annihilation rather than for the good of people. We haven't changed a bit. We are still wretches sadly. But God!
Genesis 4 shows, in the line of Cain, string and wind instruments (lyre and pipe), and forging of bronze and iron were started. so when Noah built the ark, he would have had Some metal tools available. not necessarily that he had them but they existed.
Personally, I think the earth and space was created before he “formed” earth. No life existed. Then he formed earth and created life on this planet. And I think Adam and Eve lived with God for a long period. But we really don’t know how long it was. I can’t wait to talk to him about this stuff. It’s so exciting!
It seems to me that Adam would have become a leader (King) of a huge tribe over time. Is there any record of an ancient king that was perhaps Adam? If I lived back then and was not a part of the tribe of Adam and I heard creation stories I think I would have wanted to go find Adam and talk with him if he was still alive. Are there any records like that?
Probably not. Very few artifacts were found. One example is a little bell a coal mine worker found in a piece of coal. A remnant piece of art made by a smith before the flood. but even if they would have had script what people before the flood did not need to have (because they were genetically so good they could probably remember everything) ,it would have been destroyed by the flood water masses
I really enjoyed my teachers growing up, however, Kurt, I wish I had you as a teacher growing up or in college! Amazing teacher! As I started learning more about creation science, it becomes so much more fascinating as I study it and learn more about it! I especially am intrigued by the floating forests 🌳! It would be awesome if you could do a whole study on just the floating forest! I was also curious as to what if must have been like during the Edenic Epoch when there was no sin/natural disasters/pain/suffering/death/broken relationships with God, each other, with animals, and the environment. Amazing stuff!
I entered college in the early 70’s, believing the evolutionary nonsense, and took a few Geology classes. I realized the old earth paradigm had lots of problems and evolution was a crock. I challenged a Phd in a lecture hall after class and was told he agreed with me but was paid to teach old earth and evolution.
From my studies, It looks much more reasonable that God created everything in 6-24 hours days! Rather than the billions and millions of years that have been advocated by the Evolutionists!!
@@globalcoupledances Are you suggesting that natural selection and evolution are synonymous? To my knowledge, no creation scientists deny natural selection seeing as it is an observable phenomenon.
Question for the comments: (keep in mind I'm only a few minutes into the video) but if the world was perfect and death did not exist, that would have to mean that there was no entropy, right? Since entropy is a large part of the 2nd law of thermodynamics we would have to infer that physics worked differently in the Edenian epoch as well, right? That could very well be an argument for a young earth. Admittedly, I've oscillated between young and old earth theories without denying the fact that I believe the Lord created it all. However, because I believe He is the Creator of all things, I believe He is a limitless God who exists outside time, space, or matter. He is completely capable of changing the laws of physics in this universe if He so desires. This make perfect sense to me within the Creationist paradigm. Anyone else?
Very interesting information, about earthquakes before the flood. The scriptures mentions earthquakes during the last days, probably to release the fire that the earth is stored up for
The influence of the Watchers was and is so great, it changed mankind forever. That world was destroyed for a reason beyond our imperfect understanding and so our thoughts must be towards God and his regulations if we don't want to be found guilty and suddenly caught up in a snare. The battle has always been about enmity between human seed and Satan seed. They must grow together and then the weeds will be harvested 1st, bundled and tossed into the fire.
Wondering lifespans preflood world would have had a higher barometric pressure?? Right? Higher oxygen levels?? The firmament was intact?? These things plus closer to Adam genetically??? Do you think this would help??
You are assuming God actually told Moses these stories. Since Moses appears not to be a historical figure and the Bible itself an accretion of myths, your question is based on a false premise.
@@petemccutchen3266 Hmmm... you assume that Moses was not an historical figure and that the Bible itself is an accretion of myths. Your world view calls for this assessment because you certainly cannot provide evidence and proof to support such. You are certainly welcome to your opinion because that is really all you have: an opinion.
@@velkyn1 The Hebrew documents which you reject out of hand are indeed evidence. That you reject them says again more about your worldview than the evidence itself. Surely you must know that arguments from silence are tenuous at best and that is exactly what you base your argument on. Just because you have not seen some latrine, trash pit, grave or hieroglyphic stating something about Moses and the Exodus is by no means the definitive proof you seem to think that it is. Archaeology is a very incomplete science ... we know but a fraction and outline from the distant past. There is much from the ancient past that we will never discover. Furthermore, it would not be surprising that the Egyptians would not wish to broadcast loudly their utter humiliation and loss to the Hebrews. It is simply human nature to gloss over such momentous defeats. As to certain theologians not sure if the Hebrew documents are metaphorical or historical ... these men can decide for themselves which course they wish to pursue. I read Hebrew and Exodus is written in historical narrative form rather than in poetry. Hence, I see it as historical narrative. Again, you are free to feel that Exodus is a myth ... I just find your arguments utterly unconvincing.
The language used seems to indicated to me that when Adam named the animals he was naming each individual animal rather than a giving a generic name like bird, cow, etc... so it was Rosie and not cow. Do you think all animals were tame that God brought to Adam to name - so it was Leo the Lion and Rex the dog and they all lived in the garden with Adam and Eve as pets?
They indeed did get the message because Noah preached to them regarding the upcoming catastrophe for 120 years but since they preferred sin over God's will, they chose not to care. As a result they were all deleted. And the reason why the animals were also violent is because of the Gen. 6 rebellion of the fallen angels which ruined the human and animal genes. This period lasted 1296 years. God is patient. The prophet Enoch recounts God's sentence to Semyaza and his clique. They were doomed and they knew it. Currently they are in Tartarus awaiting their final punishment. Seriously, it's better to obey the Lord than to rebel. Thank you Professor Wise 😁
Satan made it easy for Man-kind to rebel, but man had a choice and volition, man-kind had their chance just like today. Man-kind again have a choice to believe or Not.
@@davidhorton7099 yes for sure, free will is the same as volition (synonym 😉). I pray that many will repent (synonym with change their mind in regards to who Jesus is, aka the God of creation and Saviour of humankind). 🥰
You seem to be overlooking the Nephilim ,violent fallen angels who cohabited with the daughters of man and corrupted man's DNA except for Noah. Chuck Missler covers that nicely on youtube. Good presentation of real history! Thanks!
Indeed, only this time, no water, just lot's of fire, brimstone and lava. Oh wait, there will be some water, giant ice blocks the size of car engines will fall from the heavens. We are in for one HELL of a ride. I am glad that I have Jesus Christ, otherwise I might as well say goodbye right now lol.
I find it more likely the trigger was some sort of comet or asteroid swarm impact, given the evidence of large impacts not only on earth but also on the moon, etc.
I just want the History Channel lol trying to explain the formation of the Grand Canyon over millions and millions of years. It is comical to say the least!
Hey I like watching ur videos. They are all educational nd good at explaining what has happened corresponding with the bible. One thing I was wondering that I havent seen anyone teach on yet much is (how did the fresh nd salt water separate from the flood?) Or how did the salt water come to be nd be sectioned to the certain areas? I'd love to learn more on how that may have happened. Thank you nd Good bless.
I have often had the same thought occur to me. Were there both salt and fresh water ecosystems prior to the flood or did those ecosystem some how diverge or arise after the flood? How is such a divergence explained post flood conditions? We are told the ark saved samples from all land animals... are we to assume marine life in its various forms weathered through the flood, not necessarily unscathed but still viable for repopulation purposes? If so, wouldn't the separation of fresh to salt water ecosystems be seriously distorted during the flood?
I have often wondered if the second law of thermodynamics was a part of the curse that didn't exist before the flood. Dr.Wise seems to agree that indeed it was.
A world without the second law would require a totally different physics, @@petemccutchen3266, not just a minor tweak. It would be a huge change, that's why I'm a little skeptical. (BTW, I meant after the *sin,* not after the "flood".)
What about the tree of life? Did Adam and Eve never eat of it before the fall? If there was no death before the fall, what was the tree of life's purpose? Where is it now? Was it wrenched up and planted elsewhere? Because it shows up again at the end.
Adam and Eve never ate from the tree of life, the tree of life would make them both immortal so that nothing can hurt them at all, forever. This would have cursed Adam and Eve into a torturous sinful existence drawn out into eternity. God had mercy and forbade them from eating of the tree of life. Thankfully, the redeemed and the saved will eat of the same fruit and be given eternal life. This is why I suspect that since many times throughout the bible the word "tree" is very often symbolic for a "person". I suspect that the tree of life in the garden is a symbol for Jesus Christ in our time when he returns. I think the tree is typologically pointing to Jesus.
Time must have passed different in the Garden. A & E don't age! Therefore there could have been enough 'time' for vast huge civilizations. Question when did Adams fall happen pre-watchers on not?
Interesting fact: Methuselah (His death shall bring) was born 369 years before Noah. The flood occurred in Noah's 600th year. Methuselah lived to be 969. 😮
@Is Genesis History and Dr. Kurt Wise:Now the earth shines blue, from space, due to a watery world. Maybe the earth did shine green once, due to the Garden of Eden Was Green overall?
The only thing I would question is the statement that animal flesh was not consumed prior to the flood. We know that God killed an animal to make garments for Adam and Eve. We also know they were sacrificed prior to the flood. We just don't know if they were consumed by humans or not.
Look at all the megalith structures we couldn’t reproduce today. I think they were far more technologically advanced than we and probably had anti gravity technology. If we lived 900 years how much knowledge would we accumulate?
Regarding God's plan for humanity and life in general: Does the bible address a situation where there would be no death? Would humanity and the animal kingdom procreate after the planet was fully populated?
A related question is how could a perfect man and a perfect woman live together for 130 years without the perfect woman getting pregnant? And they were initially naked together at that! One wonders if the age of adolescence and sexual maturity was ten times longer than it is today. That might be part of the answer.
@@KenJackson_US The range of the timeframe in Eden was theorized to be from several days to, at most, 100 years. But that's a good question, especially when you consider that God told them to "be fruitful and multiply" before the fall... were they not gettin' it on so they could multiply? Or did they confuse that for math lessons? Be fruitful meant to garden, and multiply meant to do math. :D
Time would seem to be a result of the fall. Entropy, the degenerative process that was the result of the law of sin and death, would seem to require that time be measured and exist. Before that time would be wholly unnecessary and without meaning as there would be no reason to measure it or to be cognizant of it.
It's more likely that time, as we know it, began on day 1 with illumination upon the Earth, that's when God begins calling a day a day. In the original creation, degeneration isn't a measure of the passage of time. Time marked seasons and occasions, like birthdays and covenant days (Gen 1:14) and was a function of man's dominion over the Earth.
Time is a necessity for any activity to occur. It takes time for you to walk from your kitchen to your front door. It takes time to take a breath. It takes time to speak something. If something moves, it is not just moving through space, from one point to another, it is also moving through time.
Time existed prior to the creation of earth. Prior to earth, there was an entire domain full of free willed, sentient creatures... the angels of heaven. I'm curious to know if God will prevent the heat death of the universe, given we live in a universe governed by physical laws. I suspect He will intercede somehow to prevent it, or let it die and create another one.
@@leroybrown9143 There are too many references to the heavenly kingdom to dispute your assertion that they do not inhabit a physical domain. Yes, they are spirit, but they exist in a universe with a physical component. Angels travel. They speak. They affect the earth and the people on it. Angels are created beings, and I'm quite positive God will be able to render an age for each and every one of them.
Perhaps Adam was solo for about a week which he spent being curious about animals. Then he slept on his second Sabbath, and woke up with a short rib. He showed Eve around & laid down the rules. And she said; "What! This Fruit? Crunch Chew Chew."
Hello Dennis, It is important to remember that, according to the Bible, Adam and God conversed right from the start on Day 6 of Creation Week (see Genesis 2). Since this was not enough time for Adam to develop an entire vocabulary on his own, God would have had to program a language into Adam upon his creation, despite the fact that Adam had not experienced any of the words in that language yet. This strongly suggests that Adam knew what death meant, even though he had no personal experience with it. You also mentioned that nothing in the text suggests the animals were everlasting. There are several scriptural reasons we believe this not to have been the case. One such example is the strong tie between human sin and animal death in the Bible's sacrificial system. This tie suggests that human sin is not only the cause of human death, but also the cause of animal death. This would mean that before man’s sin, animals did not eat each other, which, in turn, is consistent with the original animals eating only plants (Genesis 1:30). And, since animals and humans are the only organisms that are biblically alive, it follows that all death is due to man’s sin. The original creation would have had no death of biblical life.
@@IsGenesisHistory The only possible way for a lion to suddenly go from eating veggies only ( a herbivore) to becoming a full blown carnivore is a completely new digestive system. As well as the sudden addition of long fangs, claws, etc. and a keen hunting sense. You realize how highly specialized the digestive system of total herbivores are? For all practical purposes, this is a new animal and would require a divine re-working, necessarily making God continue to create even after the day of rest had begun. Also, the logical question becomes, who decided which animals turned carnivore? Why didn't hippos begin stalking deer? Or elephants begin eating wildebeest? Why are the carnivores we have today the ones God re-made? ( Again, God would have to be involved, AFTER the day of rest had begun). You are talking about God having to re-create the structure of life on this planet simply because of what Adam did. And why didn't God tell Adam this? " All the animals will die too". This is no small point. You are adding to God's express warning, making it say something it doesn't. And why did God grant the brute animals of the field everlasting life automatically, while making man's completely conditional? As for Genesis 1:30, it noticeably lacks the word 'only'. God is making a general statement here showing simply that He has provided food for all his creation. If taken literally, then no animal ate fruit, but only 'green vegetation'. No birds ate fruit ? Or nuts? Only something green? Bears didn't love berries? Sorry, don't buy it. Animals are not like people. God did not put "everlasting into their hearts". ( Ecclesiastes 3:11 ) There is nothing in the Genesis account that suggests animals lived forever. It is a complete inference. The earth would be overrun in very short order and would require divine intervention to halt all breeding processes. ( Rabbits, anyone? ). The animal sacrifices under the Law showed that the animals lives did have value to God, and that value was the shed blood. That blood had to be shed for atonement was an important concept for the Israelites to understand, as Paul says it " was a tutor leading to Christ". They knew that blood had to be spilled for the remission of sins. Yet at the same time, they could never sacrifice enough animals to gain life. They needed something better. The atoning value of Christ's blood. This is a whole different topic but, suffice to say, nothing in the animal sacrifices suggests that at one time the animals were immortal. That's really reaching to support a "pet theory". That last sentence, honestly, makes no sense. Fish are alive. The oceans are full of them. All with blood too. Redefine life to make animals immortal? "Biblically alive"? Everything else is dead ? Silly reasoning to support a silly argument.
I am wrestling with the idea that the sun, universe would have remained forever. I understand that scientifically- law of entropy-or " bondage to corruption" Romans 8:21. Yet Adam expected to be further clothed, not stay naked before the fall. Wasn't the Tree of Life held out as the reward?
God cursed the earth, because of the human betrayal. We caused God to curse us. We must rememer it clearly so that no believers curse and blame God for their misgivings. I hear often the cry from "the believers" why they were sick, innundated with tragedies and misfortune. They question why God is not merciful with them. They don't see the truth by blaming God.
They are not curses but trials. Jesus took the curse upon Himself. Faith is tested by fire. Fire either purifies and strengthens or weakens and destroys, depending on the material i.e. "believer". Most Christians forget that I think. Rom 12: 1; 1 Pet 1:7; Rev 3:18; Heb 12: 29
@@velkyn1 Mnt Sinai in Arabia is huge evidence for the exodus. The subject of this comment section is evidence. Phoenicians got their writing from the Hebrews. That's kind of the point of archeology. You just don't like it. The bible mentions YOU quite a few times also. Those who hate truth. Those who hate righteousness. Those who believe their own lies.
@@velkyn1 see Dr.Douglas Petrovich, oldest alphabet. Associates for Biblical Research - you tube for the curse tablet dating somewhere around 1446 - the date of the Exodus with Aminhotep II as the pharaoh
This is the first I'm hearing about a universal curse on the ground for the cause of murder. Gen 4:11 - And now art THOU (not the earth) cursed from the earth, which hath opened her mouth to receive thy brother's blood from thy hand; Genesis does not curse the ground because of Cain (like He did for Adam's sin) but rather he cursed Cain from the earth. He was made a "vagabond" (a beggar) in effect because he couldn't earn a living anymore no matter how hard he tried. This is not a general poisoning of the ground wherever he set foot. You have to read that into the passage. And in fact, here's what the bible says when God removes the curse: Gen 8:21 - And the Lord smelled a sweet savour; and the Lord said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground any more for MAN'S sake; for the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; neither will I again smite any more every thing living, as I have done. That word, "man" in Genesis 8 is LITERALLY, Adam in Hebrew. So it's saying, "I will not again curse the ground any more for Adam's sake..." Man and adam are the same Hebrew word. A lot of what you're teaching here, you have to read into (i.e. force into) the scriptures. At my church we have an hermeneutic that constrains us as follows: "We speak where the bible speaks and where the bible is silent we are silent." This constraint prevents us introducing error, which is SO widespread in the denominational world. For example: Paul wrote to the Corinthians and mentioned baptism for the dead. What does that mean? The correct answer is, "I don't know." You cannot (given the above constraint) flesh that out (like the Mormons have) because to do so is to add to what has already been revealed. And we know that whosoever transgresseth and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ hath not God (2 Jn 9a). We are not at liberty to flesh out the revelation of God in order to build our own religion (or whatever you're up to). It's raw, down and dirty, cut-throat fundamentalism and it keeps "the faith ONCE delivered unto the saints", pure. You need to join our church and be set free from every wind of doctrine that blows out of Rome or even your own imagination. Build your faith on a solid foundation and Jesus promises that, though the wind blows and the waves beat, your structure will stand.
GizmoFromPizmoGizmoFromPizmo, I can tell you that you can know as I know that Joseph Smith is a true prophet with God given authority to open this Dispensation of the Fullness of Times. Who else teaches the true nature of the God-head, or what is required for salvation, or the true meaning and purpose of life?
Question::: do think that the flood my have knocked the earth to the present axis... because the Antarctic and the Arctic have been proven to be tropical or am I wrong?
No, sorry there is no evidence of a global flood as described in the Bible. The tropical fossils found in the polar lands is in fact evidence for plate techtonics and climate change over geological time. 100 million years ago, long before North and South American joined, the alignment of the continents allowed the warm currents of the equator to flow to the poles, ensuring that even Antarctica had a temporate climate. The icy continent we know now only began to ice up about 40 million years ago.
It has been my understanding that the fountains of the great deep were broken on that day, which suggests that there were no tectonic plate boundaries before that. So with none of the plates yet broken, it's hard for me to imagine earthquakes of any appreciable magnitude. The planet has evidence of many extinction event impacts. And due to being extinction level, they must all have occurred during Noah's Flood, a few of which could have fractured the crust into tectonic plates. Any such impact having occurred on a plate boundary that subsequently gushed forth unimaginable volumes of water would have all evidence of it eroded away in a very short time. Niagara Falls erodes an enormous amount of rock each year, and it is a pinhole leak compared to what gushed out of the great deep for those 40 days. I doubt we will ever find an extinction level impact on a plate boundary, unless said boundary formed after the 40 days ended.
Kurt did you think the time was 33.5 years before the fall from creation. This is why Christ was Crucified at 33.5 years. It was made to match Adams sinless time and then brought sin into the world, Christ with his death and resurrection taking it to defeat.
So you don't think the main reason for the flood was that the fallen angels were inter breeding with humans and most likely animals plus also humans becoming more and more sinful.
No, Michael. God told us the reason in Gen 6: 5-7: _"The Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intention of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And the Lord regretted that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him to his heart. So the Lord said, 'I will blot out man whom I have created from the face of the land, man and animals and creeping things and birds of the heavens, for I am sorry that I have made them.'"_
@@KenJackson_US I covered all that in my question . If you would have read my question thoroughly instead of trying so hard to be mister Bible authority. So in your opinion God didn't mind that the fallen angels were interbreeding with humans and animals. It was man's little sins that set him off . Hahaha Hahaha. How foolish.
Do you think God formed Adam as a mature man or as a child ? Could Adam immediately walk and talk when he first opened his eyes after the breath of life was breathed into him? Or perhaps God raised him and he grew and leaned to walk and talk?
What would the creationist answer be to the objection that if animals never died, but continued to reproduce, there would quickly arise a serious problem of overpopulation?
He spoke to this in saying that reproduction rates were less in the pre-fall world and increased with the introduction of death. Likely this comes from the pre-flood geneologies where human procreation was delayed until the 130th year of life on average, so if you extrapolate that to the animals you have a far slower rate of population growth. For my part, I don't believe that our preoccupation with carnality and sexuality existed before the fall. As we still see in many animals, there was probably a time and season for such things even among man that we have since corrupted in our lust to satisfy the flesh.
@@leroybrown9143 , If all the creatures that are represented in the fossil record existed at the same time, there wouldn’t be enough room to turn around.
@Chris Jones: There are several things to consider. First of all, the earth was in a state of perfection, without poisonous plants, without deserts or icy wastelands. There were probably no freezing winters. So the earth was much more productive and fertile. There was no wasted land. Also, the earth is very large. With the land area being 100% productive, it could sustain vastly greater numbers of people and animals. It is possible, perhaps likely, that all plants were edible or produced edible fruits. It was a perfect world of abundance. If at some point, the populations of humans and animals would have outgrown the earth, God is certainly able to come up with a solution. The universe is an enormous place. God could have moved populations of animals and humans to other planets. God could have had an infinite number of solutions to such a problem. However, the fall of man changed everything, and none of those things ever happened.
@@dooglitas 95% of the fossil record is made up of marine invertebrates. The oceans are not running out of space. Of the remaining 5% of the fossil record 95% is plants, The earth is not overpopulated by plants. You can just do the math and see it's absurd to believe every creature both extinct and extant could not have co-existed, 99% of the fossil record is not land animals. And you are right, there was probably a much larger temperate zone. We know that in the first 10 generations of mankind (leading up to Noah) the average age of child bearing was approx 130 years of age. This suggest that, in the beginning, there was a time and a season for a man to come together with his wife and conceive. If this season was every 50 or 100 years it's easy to see how slow population growth would have been. And you can extrapolate that to the animals, who still mate in a due season to this day, in the beginning, with no death to consider, there was no need for an annual mating season, it could have been on a cycle of 5, 10 years or more.
A question that has been nagging at me: Was Adams age of 930 years started from the moment he was kicked out of eden? Because before that he would have been eternal, right? Ageless . So Adam may have already been very old before he became mortal . Adam and Eve may have already been thousands of years old before the clock started ticking after eating the apple . So the chronological time line may be all wrong
The Bible says, "In the beginning," which is time. The Bible describes a sequence of events during creation and afterwards, that is time. The Genesis account talks about the cool of the evening and also says Eve was tempted and ate of the fruit before Adam- both of those indicate time. At what point would time stop just to start again at the fall?
I look forward to the restoration of the earth and rolling back of the edenic curses. The return of Christ and eventually a beautiful world of immortal people that can reflect the glory of God.
@@robertthiry9712 Deuteronomy 29:29 KJV - The secret things belong unto the LORD our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law.
@@spencershaw2407 If you don't know you don't know. But for myself, Proverbs 3:13 Blessed are those who find wisdom, those who gain understanding, I've been excavating and studying fossils, geology and many other Biblically back and proven fields of science. I'm just going to keep asking and seeking.
before noah's flood the earth's surface water was just around 15 % (river system) after the flood surface water became 75% of earths surface (river, lakes, seas, ocean, glaciers) ...
I'm confused about your usage of the word Nephesh. You keep saying it means something more physical, like "Nephesh death" means "physical death". However, everywhere I look, "Nephesh" is defined as meaning "soul" which has a spiritual meaning. So wouldn't "Nephesh death" mean spiritual death and not necessarily physical death?
What about insects? I have a theory that they were not small (flies ants mosquitoes) but rather large “bugs” and what we have today is a byproduct of the curse, like with some herbivores becoming carnivores.
Can you really guess the time spent in Eden with God since time did not start "really" before the fall since Adam was eternal? Age seems to come into play after the fall?
A pre flood talk and the fallen angels/ nephilim / animal human hybrids are just left out!? 1 Cor 6:3 “ do you not know you will judge angels?” 2 Peter 2:4 God didn’t spare the angels that sinned but threw them into Tartarus”. Jude 1:6 “He has kept with eternal chains, angels who did not keep their own habitation”
❤️ and this is the pleasure of My Father that sent me ,that of whomever he has given me ,I will lose none ,but will raise them up on that day .This is the pleasure of my Father ,that everyone that SEES me ,the Son of GOD ,and has the Faith ,WILL have life eternal ,and I will raise him up on that day .John. 6 vs 39-40 and vs 45-48. It is written by the Prophets ,and Everyone of them WILL be taught by GOD .Whoever HEARS from my Father ,and learns from him ,COMES to me ,the Son of GOD .Not that anyone has seen the Father ,except the Son who has come to you by GOD , I have SEEN my Father ,and Do SEE . I speak the Truth to you ; To He that has The Faith IN me ,there is Eternal life .I am the bread of life .vs 65 and YESHUA said to them ,For this reason ,I said to you ,That no man can COME to me ,unless it is GIVEN to him by my Father .and John 14 vs 21 He with whom are my Commands ,and who Keeps them ,he it is that loves me ,and he that loves me Will be loved by my Father ,and I Will love him ,and WILL manifest myself to him. the children of GOD now SEE by YESHUA the living Messiah because he SEES and HEARS by living IN the children of GOD by the Holy Spirit !!! Do you KNOW him ...or just know about him or just read about him or just hear about him ..? The promise of the Gospel is to KNOW him by The Holy Spirit as soon as being given the Holy Spirit !!! The Holy Spirit of Truth whom the world cannot receive because they SEE him not and they KNOW him not ,But you KNOW him because he lives WITH you ,and is IN you .John 14 vs 17 .just ask and be given by the living GOD our Father in Heaven in the name of YESHUA and SEE !!!🕊️
We are living in a similar time as that of the ante - diluvian period. Earthquakes, hurricanes, floods, landslides etc. coming before the Chastisement predicted by Our Lady of Fatima in 1917. This chastisement will come upon the earth as a result of mankind's refusal to conform his life to God' s way and his arrogance in believing that God does not exist. Start praying as this Chastisement is going to be that of fire and only prayer (the rosary) and a return to God will mitigate it.
Like right NOW, is what it was like before the flood. Luke 17 26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. 27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all. 28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; 29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. 30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.
Great video, but why do you speak in King James old English? “Waxes”…? It might help some of your listeners to update some of your vocabulary. Thank you.
@@KenJackson_US I was probably in a little bit of a moody, kind of critical mood the other night when I posted this but, I do think there is some point in speaking to people who may not be Christians in a way that they can understand. Sometimes we say things that we don’t realize that we may be speaking more to the choir but not speaking in a way that relates to common people who don’t have her experiences.
The bible references Adam's age when his first child was born but never make a reference of his age (since he was eternal) when God gave "birth" to the woman which came from Adam." So perhaps Adam walked with God for a very long time before Eve was birthed?
I have another question. Are there fossils of contemporary animals that are the same or nearly the same as todays? Say, domestic cat, cow, etc? If fossilisation occured during the flood, the contemporary animals must be somewhere in the fossil record.. thanks
The best examples are perhaps insects which look exactly the same as today, but only larger in size due to pre flood conditions, just like the plants. Ant fossils, fly fossils, etc. It also shows there is no macroevolution, only changes in species that are possible within the limits of the existing genetic makeup of the original species.
When you think of all the things to do in your life , daily struggles, chores, things to figure out., things to fix... that this gentleman takes the time to make these videos is absolutely wonderful...
I agree, he is a kind hearted man.
Thanks for the video!
The Edenic and Antediluvian ages are such a fascinating topic.
Praise Yah (God), thank you brother for doing this work and bring the truth of Yah's Word & His creation to His people : HalleluYah!
Psalm 68 : 4-5, Sing to God (Elohim), sing praises to His name; Extol Him who rides on the clouds, By His name YAH, And rejoice before Him. 5, A father of the fatherless, a defender of widows, Is God in His holy habitation. (nkjv).
Dinosaurs were on the Ark. All land dwelling animals were represented on the Ark.
@@HoneyHollowHomestead 'Yes' I believe the peaceful dinosaurs God (Yah) created' were allowed onto the ark as babies; like the vegetarian long-necked dinosaurs called Sauropods,.. But I don't believe the violent creatures mankind created through fallen angel knowledge & technology - (see the book of Jasher), through the mixing of species to make new violent creature, possibly like the T Rex dinosaur types; which didn't survive the flood because I & others believe they were never allowed on the ark because they were not of God perfect creation'
Mankind is now again doing this great sin by mixing up the species, And Christ said in :
Matthew 24 : 37, As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man.
Are we getting close to Christ's return ? I would say - 'Yes we are'
I attended a bible study where the subject was what the earth was like before the flood. It was proposed , because we are not completely sure what the conditions were at that time, that the earth was surrounded by a heavy warm atmosphere so much that the bible references the sun and the moon as the greater light and lesser light. After the flood it is referred to as the sun and moon. The conditions were so favorable that plant life grew in great abundance. The large dinosaurs were the means to maintain this balance by consuming large quantities of plant life. After the flood the earths conditions changed so they were no longer needed. All the water held in the atmosphere was released and that became our oceans and the extra is stored in the polar ice regions. Man indeed lived longer because the earth was protected from the harmful effects of the suns radiation (aging) on our bodies. The result of God's plan to change the earth also changed the need for a completely different eco-system which resulted in only certain animal species put into the Ark. No need for very large plant eating animals and their predators to keep them in check. Also the very real fact that with mankind living so long it is very clear, as stated in the bible, that their evil ways increased. We see that today even with an expected life span drastically reduced men are capable of tremendous evil. Just imagine how evil mankind could become living such long life spans. There also remains the mystery of the demonic realm injecting itself into the genetic biology of mankind. The Omniscience, Omnipresence and Omnipotence of our Heavenly Father, Son and Holy Spirit is wonderful to contemplate and study.
There is still water in the ground.
it is extracted when drilling for mineral oil.
i wonder if it is salty.
the salt we got now in the oceans is probably salt that was washed out from the ground.
the mineral oil, coal and gas are compressed humans, plants, animals and all kind of biological stuff that inhabited the earth before the flood.
Just imagine Klaus Schwab living close to a thousand years... yikes! But seriously, I do wonder what the preflood land was like. All we have that remains today is the precambrian basement granite rock that likely existed before the flood. The way it is suggested plants were more difficult to grow in the past makes me wonder how different that ecosystem was. I also wonder how much stronger the magnetic field was, and how it interacted with the environment.
A bible study full of false information.
There is an Ancient Greek legend of the 'Golden Age of Man', when no farming was necessary as edible wild plants would spring up from the Earth in abundance
This is so interesting to me because there was no alternative for me growing up. I was taught evolution and plate tectonics from that evolutionary and materialistic perspective.The Bible, under that view, was just a supernatural set of stories that you believed in on Sunday apart from "real science".
Thank You Dr. Wise!
You forgot to mention that there was no rain before the flood. That a mist in the morning watered the plants. Also that there were four major rivers supplying the dry land.
I tried to find about this the other day. Was it the case for the whole period, or limited to the beginning?
@@i7Qp4rQ Read his first sentence, again.
@@swmovan This is why im asking confirmation about it.
@@nexpro6985 And your point is...?
"...for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground. 6But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground."
Imagine water emerging fron the ground. I GUESS the whole earth before the flood or more so in the time of Garden Eden, tge whole earth as kind of womb. Like a "living being" on its own.providing perfect conditions for life
Are you planning to discuss climate and physical conditions in detail at a later date? For instance some YE theorists think that the oxygen levels and barometric pressure was higher.
THIS IS SO INTERESTING. I COULD LISTEN TO YOU ALL DAY. THANK YOU!
I was really hoping for an hour long lecture! 🤷🏽♂️
Thank you, Kurt! That was really good!
Adam's job was to keep the garden. I ask this as serious questions - -
Do you think Adam just picked up sticks or did he have tools such as something to prune with? Did he have a tool belt? ..a tool shed?
How did they stay warm in the cool of the evening since they were naked?
Were they curious about what lay outside the garden? Did they have a desire to explore?
Those are good asks. They bring even more to mind but alas, even if we were told truly we still wouldn't really "know"
Today's most abundant source of oil is in Saudi Arabia's deserts ,pointing to Garden of Eden once rich climate ,no oil in Sahara or or other big deserts .No computers ,sheds or plastics back than , life can change quite dramaticaly when evironment is no longer once it was . All is left is some tools ,piramids and written records that some will latter dismiss as fakes ,all we see fades away .Bible is vague but a record some can consider of things not found in most backyards .
The bible tells us that God gave Adam dominion over the whole world so Adam must of been aware of what was outside the garden. As for tools, who knows what technology pre fallen Adam was capable of creating. Since it was natural for Adam to speak and walk with God in the garden then Adam's brain was likely able to perceive the higher dimensions (spirit world) so who knows tools/tech Adam was able to make with his superior brain and close relationship with God. I suspect Adam may have had a limited form of godliness wherein he can make things happen by just saying it....but who knows, this is just my speculations.
What natural selection demonstrates is that God, not some ephemeral "force" is still intimately involved in His creation, working, directing, and keeping it alive toward His goal of total creation redemption, including humans through our Lord Jesus Christ.
Not at all though. In fact it fits a theory completely that is opposite of this one. "Force"? Lol
yeh. it needs a diploid genome to work on like we have so there is back up copies of defective genes. its smart really. the best example of natural selection in humans is a kid born with a genetic disease and dies. natural selection=death. lol
great job sir !! very well done !!
I would be interested to know what technology was available at the flood.
Great question, SJM..
I think they had even higher tech then than we have now because the fallen angels came with goods to barter for wives. Unfortunately all that technology was used for evil and for annihilation rather than for the good of people. We haven't changed a bit. We are still wretches sadly. But God!
I have been wondering that too.
Genesis 4 shows, in the line of Cain, string and wind instruments (lyre and pipe), and forging of bronze and iron were started. so when Noah built the ark, he would have had Some metal tools available. not necessarily that he had them but they existed.
I would NOT be surprised that in the latter portion of the ante deluvian period that Enoch's and Noah's societies had ELECTRICITY.
Thank you for sharing this. It’s a shame we have lost so much.
Personally, I think the earth and space was created before he “formed” earth. No life existed. Then he formed earth and created life on this planet. And I think Adam and Eve lived with God for a long period. But we really don’t know how long it was. I can’t wait to talk to him about this stuff. It’s so exciting!
It seems to me that Adam would have become a leader (King) of a huge tribe over time.
Is there any record of an ancient king that was perhaps Adam?
If I lived back then and was not a part of the tribe of Adam and I heard creation stories I think I would have wanted to go find Adam and talk with him if he was still alive.
Are there any records like that?
Probably not. Very few artifacts were found. One example is a little bell a coal mine worker found in a piece of coal. A remnant piece of art made by a smith before the flood.
but even if they would have had script what people before the flood did not need to have (because they were genetically so good they could probably remember everything) ,it would have been destroyed by the flood water masses
I really enjoyed my teachers growing up, however, Kurt, I wish I had you as a teacher growing up or in college! Amazing teacher!
As I started learning more about creation science, it becomes so much more fascinating as I study it and learn more about it! I especially am intrigued by the floating forests 🌳! It would be awesome if you could do a whole study on just the floating forest!
I was also curious as to what if must have been like during the Edenic Epoch when there was no sin/natural disasters/pain/suffering/death/broken relationships with God, each other, with animals, and the environment.
Amazing stuff!
I entered college in the early 70’s, believing the evolutionary nonsense, and took a few Geology classes. I realized the old earth paradigm had lots of problems and evolution was a crock. I challenged a Phd in a lecture hall after class and was told he agreed with me but was paid to teach old earth and evolution.
From my studies, It looks much more reasonable that God created everything in 6-24 hours days! Rather than the billions and millions of years that have been advocated by the Evolutionists!!
@@globalcoupledances To be fair, both cosmologists and evolutionists have advocated for “billions and millions of years”.
Correct. Evolution is not the truth of creation.we are not from slime and monkeys. Evo is only pictures in a book.
@@globalcoupledances Are you suggesting that natural selection and evolution are synonymous? To my knowledge, no creation scientists deny natural selection seeing as it is an observable phenomenon.
@@globalcoupledances the earth, moon and sun align for the saints but your made from evo
slime.
, You should broaden your studies beyond creationist sources.
Excellent. First time I have heard Gods grace infused with the curse conditions. Thank you very much.
Question for the comments: (keep in mind I'm only a few minutes into the video) but if the world was perfect and death did not exist, that would have to mean that there was no entropy, right? Since entropy is a large part of the 2nd law of thermodynamics we would have to infer that physics worked differently in the Edenian epoch as well, right? That could very well be an argument for a young earth. Admittedly, I've oscillated between young and old earth theories without denying the fact that I believe the Lord created it all. However, because I believe He is the Creator of all things, I believe He is a limitless God who exists outside time, space, or matter. He is completely capable of changing the laws of physics in this universe if He so desires. This make perfect sense to me within the Creationist paradigm. Anyone else?
Very interesting information, about earthquakes before the flood. The scriptures mentions earthquakes during the last days, probably to release the fire that the earth is stored up for
The influence of the Watchers was and is so great, it changed mankind forever. That world was destroyed for a reason beyond our imperfect understanding and so our thoughts must be towards God and his regulations if we don't want to be found guilty and suddenly caught up in a snare. The battle has always been about enmity between human seed and Satan seed. They must grow together and then the weeds will be harvested 1st, bundled and tossed into the fire.
Block an tackle, reciprocal saw, bow drill pump, hydraulics, etc.
Wondering lifespans preflood world would have had a higher barometric pressure?? Right? Higher oxygen levels?? The firmament was intact?? These things plus closer to Adam genetically??? Do you think this would help??
Of course Genesis is history. Why would God have told Moses something other than what he did?
You are assuming God actually told Moses these stories. Since Moses appears not to be a historical figure and the Bible itself an accretion of myths, your question is based on a false premise.
@@petemccutchen3266 Hmmm... you assume that Moses was not an historical figure and that the Bible itself is an accretion of myths. Your world view calls for this assessment because you certainly cannot provide evidence and proof to support such. You are certainly welcome to your opinion because that is really all you have: an opinion.
@@velkyn1 The Hebrew documents which you reject out of hand are indeed evidence. That you reject them says again more about your worldview than the evidence itself. Surely you must know that arguments from silence are tenuous at best and that is exactly what you base your argument on. Just because you have not seen some latrine, trash pit, grave or hieroglyphic stating something about Moses and the Exodus is by no means the definitive proof you seem to think that it is. Archaeology is a very incomplete science ... we know but a fraction and outline from the distant past. There is much from the ancient past that we will never discover. Furthermore, it would not be surprising that the Egyptians would not wish to broadcast loudly their utter humiliation and loss to the Hebrews. It is simply human nature to gloss over such momentous defeats.
As to certain theologians not sure if the Hebrew documents are metaphorical or historical ... these men can decide for themselves which course they wish to pursue. I read Hebrew and Exodus is written in historical narrative form rather than in poetry. Hence, I see it as historical narrative.
Again, you are free to feel that Exodus is a myth ... I just find your arguments utterly unconvincing.
@@Dcm193 do you believe any books have truth?
Excellent points. 👍
I really like your videos. When God cursed Adam and Eve (and thus the world), the phenomenon of TIME began. Eternity was “outside” time so to speak.
Well thought out presentation. As you suggest, Famine was occurring, along with possible tectonic earth movement.
The language used seems to indicated to me that when Adam named the animals he was naming each individual animal rather than a giving a generic name like bird, cow, etc...
so it was Rosie and not cow.
Do you think all animals were tame that God brought to Adam to name - so it was Leo the Lion and Rex the dog and they all lived in the garden with Adam and Eve as pets?
They indeed did get the message because Noah preached to them regarding the upcoming catastrophe for 120 years but since they preferred sin over God's will, they chose not to care. As a result they were all deleted. And the reason why the animals were also violent is because of the Gen. 6 rebellion of the fallen angels which ruined the human and animal genes. This period lasted 1296 years. God is patient. The prophet Enoch recounts God's sentence to Semyaza and his clique. They were doomed and they knew it. Currently they are in Tartarus awaiting their final punishment. Seriously, it's better to obey the Lord than to rebel. Thank you Professor Wise 😁
Satan made it easy for Man-kind to rebel, but man had a choice and volition, man-kind had their chance just like today. Man-kind again have a choice to believe or Not.
@@davidhorton7099 yes for sure, free will is the same as volition (synonym 😉). I pray that many will repent (synonym with change their mind in regards to who Jesus is, aka the God of creation and Saviour of humankind). 🥰
You seem to be overlooking the Nephilim ,violent fallen angels who cohabited with the daughters of man and corrupted man's DNA except for Noah. Chuck Missler covers that nicely on youtube. Good presentation of real history! Thanks!
And they definitely ate meat.
Excellent job my hillbilly friend.
Very good.
Appreciate the video
What Was the World like before the Flood? Just like Now days!!! That is why we need another cleansing!
Indeed, only this time, no water, just lot's of fire, brimstone and lava. Oh wait, there will be some water, giant ice blocks the size of car engines will fall from the heavens. We are in for one HELL of a ride.
I am glad that I have Jesus Christ, otherwise I might as well say goodbye right now lol.
The better question is: What was the first earth age like before the overthrow (Katabole, Foundation) ?
Didn’t exist.
I find it more likely the trigger was some sort of comet or asteroid swarm impact, given the evidence of large impacts not only on earth but also on the moon, etc.
Impact of Satan being hurled to Earth, and his angels with him.
No such thing as millions of years.
I just want the History Channel lol trying to explain the formation of the Grand Canyon over millions and millions of years. It is comical to say the least!
Hey I like watching ur videos. They are all educational nd good at explaining what has happened corresponding with the bible.
One thing I was wondering that I havent seen anyone teach on yet much is (how did the fresh nd salt water separate from the flood?) Or how did the salt water come to be nd be sectioned to the certain areas?
I'd love to learn more on how that may have happened. Thank you nd Good bless.
I have often had the same thought occur to me. Were there both salt and fresh water ecosystems prior to the flood or did those ecosystem some how diverge or arise after the flood? How is such a divergence explained post flood conditions?
We are told the ark saved samples from all land animals... are we to assume marine life in its various forms weathered through the flood, not necessarily unscathed but still viable for repopulation purposes? If so, wouldn't the separation of fresh to salt water ecosystems be seriously distorted during the flood?
What an excellent explanation. Thanks a lot, may THE LORD bless you always
I have often wondered if the second law of thermodynamics was a part of the curse that didn't exist before the flood. Dr.Wise seems to agree that indeed it was.
I have always thought it must be so, too.
Without thermodynamics stars don’t work. Without our star, no life.
A world without the second law would require a totally different physics, @@petemccutchen3266, not just a minor tweak. It would be a huge change, that's why I'm a little skeptical. (BTW, I meant after the *sin,* not after the "flood".)
@@KenJackson_US I thought you did, no worries 😉
@@petemccutchen3266 this is not about thermodynamics… it’s only about the second law thereof.
Plus perhaps the highly nutritious plants from before are not growing well or not as nutrition in soil not as good
What about the tree of life? Did Adam and Eve never eat of it before the fall? If there was no death before the fall, what was the tree of life's purpose? Where is it now? Was it wrenched up and planted elsewhere? Because it shows up again at the end.
Adam and Eve never ate from the tree of life, the tree of life would make them both immortal so that nothing can hurt them at all, forever.
This would have cursed Adam and Eve into a torturous sinful existence drawn out into eternity. God had mercy and forbade them from eating of the tree of life. Thankfully, the redeemed and the saved will eat of the same fruit and be given eternal life.
This is why I suspect that since many times throughout the bible the word "tree" is very often symbolic for a "person".
I suspect that the tree of life in the garden is a symbol for Jesus Christ in our time when he returns. I think the tree is typologically pointing to Jesus.
Time must have passed different in the Garden. A & E don't age! Therefore there could have been enough 'time' for vast huge civilizations.
Question when did Adams fall happen pre-watchers on not?
Interesting fact: Methuselah (His death shall bring) was born 369 years before Noah. The flood occurred in Noah's 600th year. Methuselah lived to be 969. 😮
My opinion the fall happened almost immediately after creation week.
@Is Genesis History and Dr. Kurt Wise:Now the earth shines blue, from space, due to a watery world. Maybe the earth did shine green once, due to the Garden of Eden Was Green overall?
The only thing I would question is the statement that animal flesh was not consumed prior to the flood. We know that God killed an animal to make garments for Adam and Eve. We also know they were sacrificed prior to the flood. We just don't know if they were consumed by humans or not.
I would NOT be surprised that in the latter portion of the ante deluvian period that Enoch's and Noah's societies had ELECTRICITY.
Look at all the megalith structures we couldn’t reproduce today. I think they were far more technologically advanced than we and probably had anti gravity technology. If we lived 900 years how much knowledge would we accumulate?
Regarding God's plan for humanity and life in general: Does the bible address a situation where there would be no death? Would humanity and the animal kingdom procreate after the planet was fully populated?
The universe is a big place. Once earth begins to approach an uncomfortable population, some of us might move elsewhere... some other galaxy, perhaps.
A related question is how could a perfect man and a perfect woman live together for 130 years without the perfect woman getting pregnant? And they were initially naked together at that! One wonders if the age of adolescence and sexual maturity was ten times longer than it is today. That might be part of the answer.
@@KenJackson_US The range of the timeframe in Eden was theorized to be from several days to, at most, 100 years. But that's a good question, especially when you consider that God told them to "be fruitful and multiply" before the fall... were they not gettin' it on so they could multiply? Or did they confuse that for math lessons? Be fruitful meant to garden, and multiply meant to do math. :D
Time would seem to be a result of the fall. Entropy, the degenerative process that was the result of the law of sin and death, would seem to require that time be measured and exist. Before that time would be wholly unnecessary and without meaning as there would be no reason to measure it or to be cognizant of it.
It's more likely that time, as we know it, began on day 1 with illumination upon the Earth, that's when God begins calling a day a day. In the original creation, degeneration isn't a measure of the passage of time. Time marked seasons and occasions, like birthdays and covenant days (Gen 1:14) and was a function of man's dominion over the Earth.
Time is a necessity for any activity to occur. It takes time for you to walk from your kitchen to your front door. It takes time to take a breath. It takes time to speak something. If something moves, it is not just moving through space, from one point to another, it is also moving through time.
Time existed prior to the creation of earth. Prior to earth, there was an entire domain full of free willed, sentient creatures... the angels of heaven. I'm curious to know if God will prevent the heat death of the universe, given we live in a universe governed by physical laws. I suspect He will intercede somehow to prevent it, or let it die and create another one.
@@cklester The angels did not then, nor do they now, inhabit a physical domain. Angels are spirit, not flesh and they are not reckoned in years.
@@leroybrown9143 There are too many references to the heavenly kingdom to dispute your assertion that they do not inhabit a physical domain. Yes, they are spirit, but they exist in a universe with a physical component. Angels travel. They speak. They affect the earth and the people on it. Angels are created beings, and I'm quite positive God will be able to render an age for each and every one of them.
Question did Adams age start when he fell or when created??
When he fell.
Are these videos available as podcast ?
Perhaps Adam was solo for about a week which he spent being curious about animals. Then he slept on his second Sabbath, and woke up with a short rib. He showed Eve around & laid down the rules. And she said; "What! This Fruit? Crunch Chew Chew."
And women have been screwing men up ever since then
If there was no death in the garden, Adam would not have been able to understand what death was. Nothing suggests the animals were everlasting.
Hello Dennis,
It is important to remember that, according to the Bible, Adam and God conversed right from the start on Day 6 of Creation Week (see Genesis 2). Since this was not enough time for Adam to develop an entire vocabulary on his own, God would have had to program a language into Adam upon his creation, despite the fact that Adam had not experienced any of the words in that language yet. This strongly suggests that Adam knew what death meant, even though he had no personal experience with it.
You also mentioned that nothing in the text suggests the animals were everlasting. There are several scriptural reasons we believe this not to have been the case. One such example is the strong tie between human sin and animal death in the Bible's sacrificial system. This tie suggests that human sin is not only the cause of human death, but also the cause of animal death. This would mean that before man’s sin, animals did not eat each other, which, in turn, is consistent with the original animals eating only plants (Genesis 1:30). And, since animals and humans are the only organisms that are biblically alive, it follows that all death is due to man’s sin. The original creation would have had no death of biblical life.
@@IsGenesisHistory The only possible way for a lion to suddenly go from eating veggies only ( a herbivore) to becoming a full blown carnivore is a completely new digestive system. As well as the sudden addition of long fangs, claws, etc. and a keen hunting sense. You realize how highly specialized the digestive system of total herbivores are? For all practical purposes, this is a new animal and would require a divine re-working, necessarily making God continue to create even after the day of rest had begun. Also, the logical question becomes, who decided which animals turned carnivore? Why didn't hippos begin stalking deer? Or elephants begin eating wildebeest? Why are the carnivores we have today the ones God re-made? ( Again, God would have to be involved, AFTER the day of rest had begun). You are talking about God having to re-create the structure of life on this planet simply because of what Adam did. And why didn't God tell Adam this? " All the animals will die too". This is no small point. You are adding to God's express warning, making it say something it doesn't. And why did God grant the brute animals of the field everlasting life automatically, while making man's completely conditional? As for Genesis 1:30, it noticeably lacks the word 'only'. God is making a general statement here showing simply that He has provided food for all his creation. If taken literally, then no animal ate fruit, but only 'green vegetation'. No birds ate fruit ? Or nuts? Only something green? Bears didn't love berries? Sorry, don't buy it. Animals are not like people. God did not put "everlasting into their hearts". ( Ecclesiastes 3:11 ) There is nothing in the Genesis account that suggests animals lived forever. It is a complete inference. The earth would be overrun in very short order and would require divine intervention to halt all breeding processes. ( Rabbits, anyone? ).
The animal sacrifices under the Law showed that the animals lives did have value to God, and that value was the shed blood. That blood had to be shed for atonement was an important concept for the Israelites to understand, as Paul says it " was a tutor leading to Christ". They knew that blood had to be spilled for the remission of sins. Yet at the same time, they could never sacrifice enough animals to gain life. They needed something better. The atoning value of Christ's blood. This is a whole different topic but, suffice to say, nothing in the animal sacrifices suggests that at one time the animals were immortal. That's really reaching to support a "pet theory".
That last sentence, honestly, makes no sense. Fish are alive. The oceans are full of them. All with blood too. Redefine life to make animals immortal? "Biblically alive"? Everything else is dead ? Silly reasoning to support a silly argument.
Dr. Wise, Do you know if there were any large oceans before the flood? I think the earth grew and that's where the water went after the flood.
The water was underground, in a couple of rivers, and a thick mist surrounding the planet.
I am wrestling with the idea that the sun, universe would have remained forever. I understand that scientifically- law of entropy-or " bondage to corruption" Romans 8:21. Yet Adam expected to be further clothed, not stay naked before the fall. Wasn't the Tree of Life held out as the reward?
God cursed the earth, because of the human betrayal. We caused God to curse us. We must rememer it clearly so that no believers curse and blame God for their misgivings. I hear often the cry from "the believers" why they were sick, innundated with tragedies and misfortune. They question why God is not merciful with them. They don't see the truth by blaming God.
They are not curses but trials. Jesus took the curse upon Himself.
Faith is tested by fire. Fire either purifies and strengthens or weakens and destroys, depending on the material i.e. "believer". Most Christians forget that I think. Rom 12: 1; 1 Pet 1:7; Rev 3:18; Heb 12: 29
Yahweh retains his name and power. The "Cursing text"; in a folded tablet 3,500 yrs old is now found on Mt. Ebal, Israel. Thank You Yahweh.
Proves they were writing at the time of the exodus. They actually invented the world's oldest alphabet. That's where our alphabet comes from
@@velkyn1 it's written on the side of the rock you're under.
@@velkyn1 oh, c'mon, har-D-har-har
@@velkyn1 Mnt Sinai in Arabia is huge evidence for the exodus. The subject of this comment section is evidence. Phoenicians got their writing from the Hebrews. That's kind of the point of archeology. You just don't like it. The bible mentions YOU quite a few times also. Those who hate truth. Those who hate righteousness. Those who believe their own lies.
@@velkyn1 see Dr.Douglas Petrovich, oldest alphabet. Associates for Biblical Research - you tube for the curse tablet dating somewhere around 1446 - the date of the Exodus with Aminhotep II as the pharaoh
This is the first I'm hearing about a universal curse on the ground for the cause of murder.
Gen 4:11 - And now art THOU (not the earth) cursed from the earth, which hath opened her mouth to receive thy brother's blood from thy hand;
Genesis does not curse the ground because of Cain (like He did for Adam's sin) but rather he cursed Cain from the earth. He was made a "vagabond" (a beggar) in effect because he couldn't earn a living anymore no matter how hard he tried. This is not a general poisoning of the ground wherever he set foot. You have to read that into the passage.
And in fact, here's what the bible says when God removes the curse:
Gen 8:21 - And the Lord smelled a sweet savour; and the Lord said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground any more for MAN'S sake; for the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; neither will I again smite any more every thing living, as I have done.
That word, "man" in Genesis 8 is LITERALLY, Adam in Hebrew. So it's saying, "I will not again curse the ground any more for Adam's sake..." Man and adam are the same Hebrew word.
A lot of what you're teaching here, you have to read into (i.e. force into) the scriptures. At my church we have an hermeneutic that constrains us as follows: "We speak where the bible speaks and where the bible is silent we are silent."
This constraint prevents us introducing error, which is SO widespread in the denominational world. For example: Paul wrote to the Corinthians and mentioned baptism for the dead. What does that mean? The correct answer is, "I don't know." You cannot (given the above constraint) flesh that out (like the Mormons have) because to do so is to add to what has already been revealed. And we know that whosoever transgresseth and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ hath not God (2 Jn 9a).
We are not at liberty to flesh out the revelation of God in order to build our own religion (or whatever you're up to). It's raw, down and dirty, cut-throat fundamentalism and it keeps "the faith ONCE delivered unto the saints", pure. You need to join our church and be set free from every wind of doctrine that blows out of Rome or even your own imagination. Build your faith on a solid foundation and Jesus promises that, though the wind blows and the waves beat, your structure will stand.
Interesting for sure.
GizmoFromPizmoGizmoFromPizmo, I can tell you that you can know as I know that Joseph Smith is a true prophet with God given authority to open this Dispensation of the Fullness of Times.
Who else teaches the true nature of the God-head, or what is required for salvation, or the true meaning and purpose of life?
It felt like he was just making stuff up at will. I don't know where he got half of it. Not the Bible that's for sure.
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It would help if you actually read your bible before making statements that show your ignorance.
What floating island? Aus? Madagascar?
Question::: do think that the flood my have knocked the earth to the present axis... because the Antarctic and the Arctic have been proven to be tropical or am I wrong?
I think it could have. Tremendous amounts of energy.
Look up the hydroplate theory by Dr Walt Brown. Calvary Church Port Orchard has some great talks on it, I’ll dig up the links.
No, sorry there is no evidence of a global flood as described in the Bible. The tropical fossils found in the polar lands is in fact evidence for plate techtonics and climate change over geological time. 100 million years ago, long before North and South American joined, the alignment of the continents allowed the warm currents of the equator to flow to the poles, ensuring that even Antarctica had a temporate climate. The icy continent we know now only began to ice up about 40 million years ago.
It has been my understanding that the fountains of the great deep were broken on that day, which suggests that there were no tectonic plate boundaries before that. So with none of the plates yet broken, it's hard for me to imagine earthquakes of any appreciable magnitude. The planet has evidence of many extinction event impacts. And due to being extinction level, they must all have occurred during Noah's Flood, a few of which could have fractured the crust into tectonic plates. Any such impact having occurred on a plate boundary that subsequently gushed forth unimaginable volumes of water would have all evidence of it eroded away in a very short time. Niagara Falls erodes an enormous amount of rock each year, and it is a pinhole leak compared to what gushed out of the great deep for those 40 days. I doubt we will ever find an extinction level impact on a plate boundary, unless said boundary formed after the 40 days ended.
Are insects nefesh (sp?) life? Do you think maybe insects might have been eaten, by birds and frogs and such, like plants were before the fall?
I think a lot of things probly survived on giant rafts of floating garbage and debris
From what Planet do you come from?
Why were there different continents for dinosaurs, mammals and reptiles?
Kurt did you think the time was 33.5 years before the fall from creation. This is why Christ was Crucified at 33.5 years. It was made to match Adams sinless time and then brought sin into the world, Christ with his death and resurrection taking it to defeat.
That's a very interesting question, one I've never heard of or thought about before. Thank you for asking.
So you don't think the main reason for the flood was that the fallen angels were inter breeding with humans and most likely animals plus also humans becoming more and more sinful.
People lived hundreds of years, so bad bad people grew very bad. Longer they lived worse they got.
No, Michael. God told us the reason in Gen 6: 5-7: _"The Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intention of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And the Lord regretted that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him to his heart. So the Lord said, 'I will blot out man whom I have created from the face of the land, man and animals and creeping things and birds of the heavens, for I am sorry that I have made them.'"_
@@KenJackson_US I covered all that in my question . If you would have read my question thoroughly instead of trying so hard to be mister Bible authority. So in your opinion God didn't mind that the fallen angels were interbreeding with humans and animals. It was man's little sins that set him off . Hahaha Hahaha. How foolish.
Do you think God formed Adam as a mature man or as a child ?
Could Adam immediately walk and talk when he first opened his eyes after the breath of life was breathed into him? Or perhaps God raised him and he grew and leaned to walk and talk?
Don't even think of limiting the Almighty: If God wants a pebble to sing, it will do so upon His very thought. It is written and it was witnessed.
What would the creationist answer be to the objection that if animals never died, but continued to reproduce, there would quickly arise a serious problem of overpopulation?
He spoke to this in saying that reproduction rates were less in the pre-fall world and increased with the introduction of death. Likely this comes from the pre-flood geneologies where human procreation was delayed until the 130th year of life on average, so if you extrapolate that to the animals you have a far slower rate of population growth. For my part, I don't believe that our preoccupation with carnality and sexuality existed before the fall. As we still see in many animals, there was probably a time and season for such things even among man that we have since corrupted in our lust to satisfy the flesh.
@@leroybrown9143 , If all the creatures that are represented in the fossil record existed at the same time, there wouldn’t be enough room to turn around.
@@davidgardner863 That's entirely made up and absurd on it's face. But if YOU believe it that's great.
@Chris Jones: There are several things to consider. First of all, the earth was in a state of perfection, without poisonous plants, without deserts or icy wastelands. There were probably no freezing winters. So the earth was much more productive and fertile. There was no wasted land. Also, the earth is very large. With the land area being 100% productive, it could sustain vastly greater numbers of people and animals. It is possible, perhaps likely, that all plants were edible or produced edible fruits. It was a perfect world of abundance. If at some point, the populations of humans and animals would have outgrown the earth, God is certainly able to come up with a solution. The universe is an enormous place. God could have moved populations of animals and humans to other planets. God could have had an infinite number of solutions to such a problem. However, the fall of man changed everything, and none of those things ever happened.
@@dooglitas 95% of the fossil record is made up of marine invertebrates. The oceans are not running out of space. Of the remaining 5% of the fossil record 95% is plants, The earth is not overpopulated by plants. You can just do the math and see it's absurd to believe every creature both extinct and extant could not have co-existed, 99% of the fossil record is not land animals. And you are right, there was probably a much larger temperate zone.
We know that in the first 10 generations of mankind (leading up to Noah) the average age of child bearing was approx 130 years of age. This suggest that, in the beginning, there was a time and a season for a man to come together with his wife and conceive. If this season was every 50 or 100 years it's easy to see how slow population growth would have been. And you can extrapolate that to the animals, who still mate in a due season to this day, in the beginning, with no death to consider, there was no need for an annual mating season, it could have been on a cycle of 5, 10 years or more.
A question that has been nagging at me:
Was Adams age of 930 years started from the moment he was kicked out of eden? Because before that he would have been eternal, right? Ageless .
So Adam may have already been very old before he became mortal .
Adam and Eve may have already been thousands of years old before the clock started ticking after eating the apple .
So the chronological time line may be all wrong
That is a super good one. Seems like it could be legit
The chrono time line is screwed up for sure. All we know for sure is Judaism has recorded 5782 years to date
The Bible says, "In the beginning," which is time. The Bible describes a sequence of events during creation and afterwards, that is time. The Genesis account talks about the cool of the evening and also says Eve was tempted and ate of the fruit before Adam- both of those indicate time. At what point would time stop just to start again at the fall?
Where do u extract the idea that there was no carnivory?
Think about it. I'm sure you can answer your own question.
It's needed to fit the narrative.
@@Jeremy9697 It's not a "narrative." It is history. Evolution is a narrative.
@@dooglitas lol a book doesn't just make things history though. How does it fit evolution narrative? Lol
@@Jeremy9697 It doesn't fit the evolution narrative. The evolution narrative is not true. It is mythology.
I look forward to the restoration of the earth and rolling back of the edenic curses. The return of Christ and eventually a beautiful world of immortal people that can reflect the glory of God.
Before that there was formless and void.
Still trying to figure that out.
What are you talking about
You are thinking to hard about it
@@spencershaw2407 Neither of your replies informed or helped.
@@robertthiry9712 Deuteronomy 29:29 KJV - The secret things belong unto the LORD our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law.
@@spencershaw2407 If you don't know you don't know.
But for myself, Proverbs 3:13 Blessed are those who find wisdom,
those who gain understanding,
I've been excavating and studying fossils, geology and many other Biblically back and proven fields of science.
I'm just going to keep asking and seeking.
before noah's flood the earth's surface water was just around 15 % (river system) after the flood surface water became 75% of earths surface (river, lakes, seas, ocean, glaciers) ...
I'm confused about your usage of the word Nephesh. You keep saying it means something more physical, like "Nephesh death" means "physical death". However, everywhere I look, "Nephesh" is defined as meaning "soul" which has a spiritual meaning. So wouldn't "Nephesh death" mean spiritual death and not necessarily physical death?
Nephesh is "life, living being".
It is used of creatures in Genesis before man is made.
What about insects? I have a theory that they were not small (flies ants mosquitoes) but rather large “bugs” and what we have today is a byproduct of the curse, like with some herbivores becoming carnivores.
Can you really guess the time spent in Eden with God since time did not start "really" before the fall since Adam was eternal? Age seems to come into play after the fall?
Everyone forgets the days of Noah were 950 YEARS and until we find someone 950 years old IT SHALL NOT BE AS IN THE DAYS OF NOAH!!!!
A pre flood talk and the fallen angels/ nephilim / animal human hybrids are just left out!? 1 Cor 6:3 “ do you not know you will judge angels?” 2 Peter 2:4 God didn’t spare the angels that sinned but threw them into Tartarus”. Jude 1:6 “He has kept with eternal chains, angels who did not keep their own habitation”
Shortening man's life spans struck me. Could that be maybe why it says in revelation that the days were shortened for the elect's sake?
Enoch says the fallen Angels sinned with Women and Animals.
❤️ and this is the pleasure of My Father that sent me ,that of whomever he has given me ,I will lose none ,but will raise them up on that day .This is the pleasure of my Father ,that everyone that SEES me ,the Son of GOD ,and has the Faith ,WILL have life eternal ,and I will raise him up on that day .John. 6 vs 39-40 and vs 45-48. It is written by the Prophets ,and Everyone of them WILL be taught by GOD .Whoever HEARS from my Father ,and learns from him ,COMES to me ,the Son of GOD .Not that anyone has seen the Father ,except the Son who has come to you by GOD , I have SEEN my Father ,and Do SEE . I speak the Truth to you ; To He that has The Faith IN me ,there is Eternal life .I am the bread of life .vs 65 and YESHUA said to them ,For this reason ,I said to you ,That no man can COME to me ,unless it is GIVEN to him by my Father .and John 14 vs 21 He with whom are my Commands ,and who Keeps them ,he it is that loves me ,and he that loves me Will be loved by my Father ,and I Will love him ,and WILL manifest myself to him. the children of GOD now SEE by YESHUA the living Messiah because he SEES and HEARS by living IN the children of GOD by the Holy Spirit !!! Do you KNOW him ...or just know about him or just read about him or just hear about him ..? The promise of the Gospel is to KNOW him by The Holy Spirit as soon as being given the Holy Spirit !!! The Holy Spirit of Truth whom the world cannot receive because they SEE him not and they KNOW him not ,But you KNOW him because he lives WITH you ,and is IN you .John 14 vs 17 .just ask and be given by the living GOD our Father in Heaven in the name of YESHUA and SEE !!!🕊️
We are living in a similar time as that of the ante - diluvian period. Earthquakes, hurricanes, floods, landslides etc. coming before the Chastisement predicted by Our Lady of Fatima in 1917. This chastisement will come upon the earth as a result of mankind's refusal to conform his life to God' s way and his arrogance in believing that God does not exist. Start praying as this Chastisement is going to be that of fire and only prayer (the rosary) and a return to God will mitigate it.
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Like right NOW, is what it was like before the flood.
Luke 17
26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.
27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.
28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.
Great video, but why do you speak in King James old English? “Waxes”…? It might help some of your listeners to update some of your vocabulary. Thank you.
I agree. Though I use the word "waxes" occasionally. If someone talks and talks and talks, I say he waxes eloquently or waxes on and on.
@@KenJackson_US I was probably in a little bit of a moody, kind of critical mood the other night when I posted this but, I do think there is some point in speaking to people who may not be Christians in a way that they can understand. Sometimes we say things that we don’t realize that we may be speaking more to the choir but not speaking in a way that relates to common people who don’t have her experiences.
Hello. Can someone explain/provide me a link, where the "heat problem" during the flood is explained?
I wish I could have seen it. Except for my very presence might have corrupted it
The term "universe" is a science term. Either you believe in creation and ditch the science terms, or you believe in science.
There was the death of Cain.
Sorry Able. So there was death during this time.
The two God-created human institutions established during the pre-sin Edenic epoc are marriage and the 7th-day Sabbath.
The bible references Adam's age when his first child was born but never make a reference of his age (since he was eternal) when God gave "birth" to the woman which came from Adam." So perhaps Adam walked with God for a very long time before Eve was birthed?
I have another question. Are there fossils of contemporary animals that are the same or nearly the same as todays? Say, domestic cat, cow, etc? If fossilisation occured during the flood, the contemporary animals must be somewhere in the fossil record.. thanks
@@globalcoupledances there are living fossils though, and they've been published on front pages
A huge amount of wild plants and animals. Ex you find dogs but not labrdoodels.
The best examples are perhaps insects which look exactly the same as today, but only larger in size due to pre flood conditions, just like the plants. Ant fossils, fly fossils, etc. It also shows there is no macroevolution, only changes in species that are possible within the limits of the existing genetic makeup of the original species.
Have you seriously looked into the fact we cannot be living on a spinning wet ball. Bodies of water lay level. They will never curve rested.
I feel sorry for you.
Seth was murdered and therefore he died... so wouldn’t death have been before the flood as well?
There was certainly death before the flood. But apparently there was none before the sin.
Abel was killed
You are getting pre flood and pre fall confused.
Do you think God taught Adam how to write? There are records that are said to be from Adam - perhaps he told it to someone else who wrote it down?
So just one random day all the lions woke up craving antelope? And knew how to hunt them?