@@joshuajackson4161 magic is literally a finger wag so why are you people being dense? Oh right because you are miserable people and can’t sit the fuck down and try to enjoy shit for what it is.
One way they could've explained, in a casual throw away line, how nobody noticed Abomination vanished from the cell: When Wong is talking about taking him he could mention about how he left an illusion behind so as not to alarm the guards. Also: There is no federal parole.
@@erikbihari3625 Seriously. Get out of town before some batshit crazy witch comes and holds you hostage as her way of grieving her dead, lover robot and her imaginary kids.
It would've made much more sense if it wasn't a parole as much as it was Blonsky's first proper trial since his rampage in Incredible Hulk. According to the Sokovia Accords, anyone with enhanced powers can be detained indefinitely without trial. Episode 7 revealed in a throwaway line that the Accords were repealed, so Abomination would have to be tried for his crimes in order to remain imprisoned. If that little bit of world building had been established from the get-go, it would've made the premise of the show (and the opening arc) much more interesting.
I guess that could still be the case? They never show camera footage of like an empty cell exactly. They didn't even know he left until that phone footage leaked, so obviously Wong did something to mask Abominations absence. Either an illusion or he messed with the cameras.
This whole Wong issue is part of the reason why its hard to watch the MCU now. They just have no clue what they're doing for a collective story, and it leads to individual writers doing whatever they can to just push their individual pieces out with no thought process of the long run
See I’d be on board with that if the non event movies were more self contained in their stories, but since EVERYTHING has to be connected then it’s gonna get troublesome
Honestly it's impressive how much he knows about the MCU and keeps up with its events to be able to spot minute inconsistencies despite seemingly disliking it.
Its absolutely insane how Wong is one of the fandoms more favorite characters when he has been practically demoted to a glorified cameo. Like, we barely know anything about Wong as a character yet hes been in more movies that most of the current cast. The glorification of miminal effort from the majority of MCU fans is a big contributing factor in the lack of care for characters.
Honestly Wong just appears to be a lazy replacement for Stan Lee cameos. Wong can just show up wherever he wants and do whatever he wants during those cameos because...Sorcerer Supreme. And getting Benedict Wong is a heck of a lot cheaper than getting Benedict Cumberbatch for cameos. And it's a shame. Stan Lee cameos could be silly things. But Wong is an identified character within that universe. If he shows up for a stupid fight with Abomination or becomes a fugitive of the USA in She-Hulk, there are supposed to be consequences for that. And that is supposed to impact who is character is and his arc. But instead they just don't care, use him in the same "this seems like a funny idea" way and further demolishes Wong. At this point we really don't understand him at all anymore. The guy he was in Doctor Strange 1 and the guy he is after She-Hulk aren't remotely the same character.
@@Flaris All Alike (so you may wanna watch): -Jay Excis Doctor-Who-Essay -Hbomberguys RWBY-Video and Sherlock-Essay -Madvocate and his Flash-Coverage -Most of Krimson Rogues Channel -Basically the whole Channel of Some-More-News and Hello-Future-Me I say this because the Art-Form of 'Eecommendations' aint dead. It just aint.
Watching Wong in Phase 4 is like watching Rhodey in phases 1-3: except you’re watching a character crumble and be ruined over & over in the background instead of delvoping into a neat character.
All you had ro do was realize that idea is so complete utter dog shit and never make another comment again in your life. It shouldn't be that hard to do.
One thing that stuck out to me is how the job of a sorcerer Supreme is to "protect the time stone." That kinda raises the question of why a sorcerer Supreme is even needed anymore. In multiverse of madness, they imply it's basically their job to be a leader, but Dr. Strange just leads people anyway. So why don't they just make him sorcerer Supreme too. Is there a limit to how many leaders they can have?
I think saying that the job of a sorcerer supreme is to protect the time stone doesn't in any way imply that that's their only job now we already know that sorcerer's protect reality that'd mean that the sorcerer supreme would just be the leader of those that protect reality I also think that it's well within Wong's powers to circumvent cameras in abomination's prison(though that's only a conjecture since we don't see it) i also think that Strange's comment on how Wong became sorcerer supreme on a technicality is not mutually exclusive with Wong's comments on him training for it it's like when Naruto became a Hokage, he was allowed to be one because he was just that good, but he was still made to study as a part of the process His problems stem from him imposing some kind of mutually exclusive presuppositions that needn't be true or haven't been shown to be true He later on goes to point out that Wong was training after Strange had already returned This once again shows that we just don't know what the process of becoming a Sorcerer supreme is, but that also means that he doesn't know either Strange was the Chosen One according to the Ancient One, that is enough reason for Strange to become the sorcerer supreme (along with his skills that outclass Wong) But at the same time, he's the Sorcerer supreme that sacrificed the time stone We don't really know the process of choosing a sorcerer supreme, or what happens when one gets blipped, or one loses the time stone and then come back Also, him talking about Wong's punches is just how sparring partners talk it's like DBZ characters fighting for a day and then reflecting over their fight Abomination is for helping Wong, he does it by sparring with him Also, it's perfectly reasonable that Wong would fight non mystical beings he'll fight those that he'll realistically encounter in a fight, that includes someone like Abomination once again, he presupposes that all Wong did in 5 years of blip is to fight Abomination, which is a completely baseless statement Wong is also earning money in this way, so him not fighting in a more secluded place makes sense, because he still needs money to survive(we have also been shown that Wong has some possible money problems in Infinity War) As for why didn't Blonsky tell anyone? it's anyone's best guess considering that Blonsky doesn't seem to be the brightest tool in the shed Now don't know about shadow dimension but what he showed us was the dark dimension And the mirror dimension isn't even bad, it's just the mirror of our own dimension it's a perfectly safe place to keep Blonsky The part of him being a fugitive is something I can totally get behind though once again, engaging in mystic arts is a messy business with the only consolation being the person that's doing the messing around(whether they're good or evil)
Strange probably wouldn't have felt like he still had the skills to do that. Not only that, I think you keep that title till you die. Also Dr. Strange is off doing a ton of other shit, that wouldn't allow him to fulfill his duties as Sorcerer supreme.
It's implied that they have used that forgetting spell multiple times. In NWH there was the full moon party that Wong didn't remember AND in she hulk Wong says "I know what you're thinking ms walters and I am NOT erasing everyone's minds again" considering strange was the one who did the spells in NWH Wong could be referring to another time.
Seems like undoing the spell was pretty easy, Strange just had to put the bad spell in that box thing goblin blew up later in the movie. Peter wanting to save people was the problem.
Everyone in the show feels like a caricature designed solely for the plot and to revolve around Jen. Continuity, characterization, pacing, all of it is all over the place. It’s like they’re trying to be both an episodic weekly shenanigans type of show while also having an overarching plot regarding Jen’s blood, and neither are good. The episodic stuff makes no sense, and the overarching plot stuff is so underdeveloped we don’t care about it. Also, why the hell does Wong need to sue Donny Blaze at all? Shouldn’t he be able to just portal to him, take the sling ring, and just leave? All Blaze seems to be able to do is make portals with the sling ring, so take that away and he’s just a guy. If he wanted to go the extra mile, he could use magic to scare Blaze into never using real magic again. All the legal stuff makes absolutely no sense. Wong shouldn’t be able to just portal a random civilian into the courtroom and have her give a statement while clearly intoxicated. The “writers” either focus too much on being a “comedy” that they forget about the actual story, or they know they suck at writing the story and hope the “comedy” will save it by acting like it’s “changing up the marvel formula” The only realistic legal scene was with Matt Murdock. He walked in, made a charming joke, and dismantled Jen’s entire case within 3 minutes. Because Jen really sucks at being a lawyer, yet the show keeps acting like she’s incredible at it while she stumbles over her arguments, does absolutely no research into the case itself and seems to be making everything up as she goes along
Jen actually is a good lawyer for being able to get abomination out of jail. She only fails to help the leap frog because he forgot to mention he signed instructions/ a warrant which isn’t her fault. Leap frog just failed to uphold information. Everything else is right
Basically why I didn’t like Legends of Tomorrow after the first half of season 3, which saw the introduction of the ugly doll named Beebo. At least She-Hulk was funny, unlike LoT.
I still don't know what Wong could have possibly threatened Blonsky with, would he have made threats against the women that blonsky is in a relationship with. Wouldn't that make wong a villain
Wong lied, Blonksy lied, they both just like to go to fight clubs, how is this so hard to realize for people? Of course Wong didnt force him to go, Wong asked him, and Blonksy knowing that he doesn't get to leave his cell ever, takes a chance to join a fight club. How is this so hard for people to understand?
@@YahhSirio cuz it's out of freaking character, why is that so hard for YOU to understand? Why are you willing to accept garbage like it's a yard sale?
@@ninjanibba4259 I mean in She Hulk, He makes a complete 180 from who he was when we last saw him. So is it also "Out of character" for him to act the way he does now? No because it's character development. He might just do the fight club to blow off steam. He might do it, because it's something different for him to do while he is stuck in a cell 24/7. Who really knows. All you need to know is that Wong and Blonsky are lying about the real reason.
I think the “training for sorcerer supreme” and technicality lines could mean that wong did get it on a technicality but wanted to become more powerful to truly live up to the title.
@@ninjanibba4259 that’s true but I’m talking bout the implication that Wong is currently working on getting the title which contradicts the line in NWH
@@grahamdayam3693 this phase is just the worse....the more we think about it, the worse it becomes It really does seem no one cared enough to communicate the simplest details of the MCU structure
Honestly I think it would be interesting to explore how someone who can just teleport out of prison is basically just above the law in most ways that matter. Of course they won't do that, but maybe someone else could, IDK
“As an actor you often have to expend a lot of time and energy trying to make a silk purse out of a pig’s ear, trying to improve bad writing.” -Charles Dance
It's almost like the executives at Disney and Marvel said: "Welp, we literally peaked with Endgame, no point in trying anymore as we already made the highest grossing move of all time."
I feel like you're right. Of course, plenty of other people have also made the highest grossing movies of all time... until someone out-grossed them. I can't wait for this to bite them in the ass, when they get dethroned and, due to years of not caring, are in no position to even put up a fight to get the crown back.
Regarding the memory erasure line. I was initially very fearful that, with the talk that everyone kind of "got over" the blip. Wong meant that he used the memory erasure powers a second time to FORCE that onto everyone. Luckily it's just an odd but weird line, but man that could've very easily been a choice of the writers and so much worse as a result.
@@somethingwithultra7231 it has no consequences, only time it's dangerous is when you fuck it up, which strange doesn't when spider man isn't in the mix, so wong probably wouldn't either (assuming he couldn't just get strange to do it)
@@fortnitesexman By smaller scale, it means only few is directly effected. in Spiderman's case, Only A few hundred people knows peter parker personally and even less are directly influenced by him while for the rest of the world, it's just tuesday. Blip is something that's experienced by everyone in the whole universe for 5 years. A hole in memory of a hundred people will be felt by themself, but they most likely won't talk about it. But when the whole world have hole in their memory, they know something is up.
@@Dismiazs what?? literally what are you talking about, i never mentioned anything about scale?.. and..literally all of spider man no way home disagrees with you, noone would notice a hole in their memory because the shit writing says so the spell would've work if peter hadn't asked strange to change it midway through casting, and the spell at the end quite literally worked
I think Dr. Strange proved himself worthy when he fought and won against Dormamu, which just proves your point that a mystical threat would be a better foe to train for being SS.
I'm genuinely impressed by how well you keep up with the logic and continuity of this franchise. I kinda just checked out after Eternals and Ms Marvel came out. I waited for Daredevil in this series and kinda got what I was expecting. I just separate him from his Netflix counterpart. At this point I don't even watch any Marvel related until Wakanda Forever comes out. Here's hoping they dont fuck that up.
@@disguyz709 Yeah I was too tired to finish it yesterday but it definitely had something, just compare the cinematography of this “special” to half the MOVIES of phase 4 and you already get that it’s different. I guess they just wanted to spend more time and effort on it than on the 400 billion movie that Thor Love and Thunder is 😭🤣
10:48 that isn't the Shadow Dimension, that's the Dark Dimension. The Shadow Dimension is where the Necrosword was forged and home to the Shadow Monsters conjured by it, and this is the first time it's been mentioned in the MCU as an easter egg (though i'm sure we'll see more of it eventually). I understand the confusion though
@@RighteousBoone the Shadow Dimension isn't mentioned, referenced, or shown in thor love and thunder. She-Hulk is the first time it's appeared at all in the MCU; i think you're thinking about the Shadow Realm, where Gorr kept the children captive. the Shadow Realm is a realm like Asgard, but not one of the Nine Realms, just a barren planet devoid of life, colour, and light. While it is possible the Shadow Realm is the MCU's version of the Shadow Dimension, it's very unlikely as they fit very different descriptions, the Shadow Dimension is mentioned by name in She-Hulk while the Shadow Realm is only ever referred to as that, and the Shadow Dimension being (obviously) another dimension like the Dark Dimension while the Shadow Realm is an area or planet in space like all the other realms. Again, easy to see the confusion, there's way too much going on in Marvel lol
@@kurocat471 they introduced so much shit that I think they don't know anymore what they are referencing...same with timelines, universes, realities, realms, dimensions...they use all these words in Endgame to describe the same thing.
I think the implication for Abominations escape is that the sorcerer blanked out the cameras with magic or smth? But like that should’ve just been shown, not inferred, not told
I think Wong doing some magic to the cameras happened (I refuse to believe Abomination's cell didn't have cameras). But that would raise more questions, Was Abomination's breakout a one-time thing or a frequent thing? Wong mentioned that he practiced with Abomination before the fight. And assuming the breakout was a one-time thing, how come the guards didn't try to fix the cameras or check with Emil?
So here you are, making an inference. Then complaining that it should not have been inferred yet shown to you. Why are you able to come to that inference yet you feel the need for it to be shown to you. It should be easily implied for anyone watching with any level of intellect that, that is the way it happened.
@@YahhSirio Because, as long as it's inference, "Wong messed with the cameras" remains effectively fan theory. Fan theories are great, but they should never be used to excuse lazy writing. "We'll imply some stuff, let the audience fill in the blanks" is great, and avoids over-expositing. "We're too lazy to fill this hole in, we'll just leave that to the audience and see what they infer" is the stance of a hack.
@@trianglemoebius You know what would be lazy? If the reality bending magic man didn't cover his tracks while breaking the law. Just because they didn't show you (yet), doesn't mean it's lazy. They just haven't shown you how he managed to do it for so long and not get caught. Not a fan theory if what they are doing is building character for Wong and subtly dropping hints that he may not be the super serious guy everyone sees him as.
@@YahhSirio well see the reason for my complaint is A) my inference is to cover their ass, I shouldnt have to do that, im covering a plot hole for them, and B) my inference doesnt work since they knew wong did it, which implies a bigger plot hole
Also, apparently, a worthy opponent for a Sorcerer Supreme who has to train to defend world from mystical threats is a guy without any mystical ability or link with it whatsoever... Like... You are a fencer, you need workout or else, you fight a boxer ? Man... The writing is Twitter level, it's a form of art at this point.
it's worse than that. Why does Wong get to choose his own opponent? He even tells Abomination not to punch too hard. It's pretty obvious that that is not what Shang-Chi had in mind. That fight was clearly for show, as evidenced by Abomination and Wong being on good terms. She-Hulk just made up some non-sense that does not fit. Yet another addition to the MCU that can be declared non-cannon. Along with.....most of Phase 4?
My god, is everyone in this comment section dumb as hell or am I crazy? WONG LIED, BLONKSY LIEDDDD. THEY BOTH LIED ABOUT WHY HE ESCAPED HIS CELL. THEY BOTH JUST LIKE TO DO FIGHT CLUBS. HE DID NOT ACTUALLY NEED TO PROVE HIMSELF WITH A WORTHY OPPENENT. THIS SHOULD EASILY BE KNOWN FOR ANYONE WHEN THEY RECOGNIZE THAT THEY DID IT IN A UNDERGROUND FIGHT CLUB.
@@smilingman4299 Because Emil and Wong lied, they are doing something else together and the "Needed a worthy opponent" was a lie. At the end of She-Hulk there is a scene where Wong breaks Emil out of prison, and it's because they are setting up future events.
I heard a theory that Wong was sparring with Abomination because he thinks he didn't bring enough people in Endgame... Well! Now we finally have our answer! Are you happy with it!?! BECAUSE I'M NOT!
That could've been a really interesting arc for Wong. A constant feeling of inadequacy because the battle against Thanos failed to go how it should have, twice. Not that Wong had any sort of connection to Tony, but as sorcerer supreme, he could be accepting that responsibility.
Honestly that's what I'd assumed him "training" was for to be able to protect the earth from the next Thanos level threat as the current Sorcerer Supreme but guess they decided that would be too interesting to write and just made it a whole big joke or whatever.
It's depressing that with how sloppy and broken the continuity in the MCU is nowadays, especially considering that it used to be one of the strongest aspects of the series.
Doctor Strange is such a good movie with super strong rules in it, being it my favorite Marvel movie ever, I'm so sad for what Marvel has been doing with it's characters recently :(
It is weird they chose to make the fight apart of Wong’s training when there was a pretty obvious continuation. Wong, knowing Earth needs mighty heroes and being the sorcerer supreme who is supposed to be a morally righteous figure to at least some extent, decides to train and rehabilitate Abomination so he can fight for good or at the very least be normalised to society. The fight in the cage could have been Wong giving him some much needed space outside his confined cell and a lesson of some kind in self-control as Abomination is told to hold his punches, something he will probably need to do if he becomes a hero, protect himself in self-defence or even just decides to protect someone on a whim in his crime ridden world. This would add some character development to Abomination and help establish why Wong DESERVES to keep the title of sorcerer supreme despite being weaker than Dr Strange
Tbh when it comes to whole explanation about Sorcerer Supreme i took it as Wong just giving version of story that would be helpful Abomination, while his adding line about training is just not to say "i needed pocket money". Not that it makes sense in Shang Chi.
I can totally buy that Wong was lying to She Hulk to conceal the pride involved with the whole scenario. That said, Strange became Sorcerer Supreme after his movie because he used the time stone for those loops and gained the experience over an immeasurable amount of time. Wong never resorted to that so him training isn’t a major stretch
5 years of the blip would suggest differently, plus he should already have certain knowledge of the Arts since he was there before Strange The writers are incompetent and lazy
@@ninjanibba4259 The reason Dr. Strange became sorcerer supreme is because he mastered the mystical arts and was able to complete the Trials of Vishanti after the Ancient Ones death. Wong would have had to do the same, because this is the only way to gain that title. Wong may have been there longer but you forget the fact that Dr. Strange literally took on Kaecilius almost single handedly even while corrupted by the dark dimension.
Who cares about logic and consistency in the MCU? She-Hulk is a slice-of-life about the everyday of women's lives; it's all about the relatability baby! No seriously, they really said that's what She-Hulk is all about in some interviews.
14:38 idk sorcerers having diplomatic immunity kinda makes sense. Doesn't seem that far-fetched. Makes it easier for them to protect the world and such Also, how would you even go about imprisoning a sorcerer??
The continuity is all over the place, and now I’m curious to know what was made first. Was all of this planned, or did the writers from each project just throw in Wong and Abomination wherever they wanted? Did Marvel studios make Shang Chi and then added in the Wing scene later because they needed something weird to set up the cage fight?
Honestly, I didn't mind him in Shang Chi. Small touches like "Maybe you should control yourself like we practiced" and using his actual human name implied (to me) that he was effectively on some kind of Parole or prison leave system, trying to get him to control his powers and maybe rehabilitate himself. Hell, the "like we practiced" part seemed to imply it'd been going on for a WHILE, and the cage match wasn't just the first time he left. She-Hulk just totally bunged that up.
Wait that Wong part, it can still work. 1) Wong became Sorcerer Supreme (SS) by default, but due to his obligations he fought the "worthy" opponent. 2) Wong met abomination the first time long before, but he just continued to fight with him because of idk money I guess 😂. 3) And going to other dimensions and fighting beasts, there is no evidence that Wong didn't do that. He might have fought abomination along with all these things. It's celotape fix to a glaring hole but for now I can only think of this. 😅
That makes sense! Perhaps Wong felt inferior to the Ancient One (since he’s SS by default) and wanted to be as strong as her so he’d start training in order to be prepared for the next Thanos level threat. (And considering M.o.M. he really has to step up his game)
The training argument was so flimsy to me that my initial reaction was to assume that Wong was lying to cover up his real intention of just being a naughty boi and having fun.
I could honestly see an in-universe explanation of: The Sorcerer Supreme cannot be arrested (like a diplomatic immuntiy) The problem is. The show doesn't say that!? It could have been a funny bit when he comes back She-Hulk telling him off for being a dick, and him saying 'yeah, but you can't arrest the sorcerer supreme' Makes him even more of a dick, but that seems to be where they're taking him anyways
Strange became sorcerer supreme because the time stone pretty much allowed him to train for what felt like millions of years when he was fighting and loosing to Dorammamu
Dr strange getting the title of sorcerous supreme after his first movie actually makes sense even if wong needed to train for more 5 years for the title. Strange was stuck in a time loop of constant fighting against dormamu for who knows how long. It makes sense all of that practice would translate to skill. And wong saw him manipulate time at that fight, so Strange probably told Wong "hey I kinda was stuck in a time loop until dormamu gave up. I've become way better than I was at the start." But yeah, bullcrap about the Shang shi
The defense that it'll be fixed in a later property needs to die. Every new property has introduced elements that serve to further pulverize the continuity under the same exact excuse, that a later property will fix it in post. An already irreparably broken continuity is not a sound fall back for defending anything.
The MCU is stumbling badly. The entire first saga was mostly good. But this next phase is all over the place. They're so interested in marketing to people who don't really care for super hero stuff. Its so baffling because they go "this wasn't made for you, but you're a bad person if you don't watch it!" Wut? Why would you do that?
6:10 It sounds like Wong was lying to help abomination. But I've never seen She-Hulk but I think it would fit his character. I also took the line "hold back punches" as a line of reformation, but now that I've seen that clip in she-hulk it falters. Because why wouldn't Wong talk to the prison to assist in the reformation. My second thought is he was doing it for money and abomination was in the skit.
I am sure you’ve already noticed this, but I’m pretty sure Wong is Lying for Emil Blonsky. I think the writers are trying to give him more pride and in return had him go to the cage match with Abomination (Someone that people will recognize) for people to scream his name. It absolutely contradicts his character. I have no idea what they were thinking.
Watching san Chi (Amazing movie) this scene pissed me off so much, it basically told me that everything that was built up from Wong was destroyed in between the time of Infinity war and end game, and then MoM and Spider-man came out and I was just confused lmao.
To be fair to be Wong they can't travel the Multiverse because Wanda destroyed the darkhold, meaning they cant shadow walk. They CAN l, however, travel anywhere in the universe! (Where as Strange knows, exists all sorts of aliens)
So, what I'm getting from this video is: "She-Hulk" and "Shang Chi" ruined Wong's character by making him some arrogant wizard who puts people in danger and forces other people to fight him for his own pride and glory, lies about it and then evades the law. Great job Disney 🙃
I kinda thought that wongs bout with abomination in Shang-chi was about money. Like they were staging the fight in order to scam the guys putting it on and abomination got Carried away. Which is why I thought wong kept reprimanding him for hitting too hard.
I assumed he was teaching abomination to control his strength and then was gonna get him a new life/break him out permanently and that he does this a lot.
To play devil’s advocate. The technicality Strange is referring to could be that Wong was earth’s top sorcerer during the blip, while Strange was dust, without officially taking that title from Strange. Once Strange returned, he has technically been an “inactive” Sorcerer supreme for 5 years, thus there was a strong case to be made that Wong should now be Sorcerer supreme instead of Steven. As a result Wong starts training to become Sorcerer supreme, leading to the cage fight in Shang-Chi and him officially being Sorcerer supreme by No way home. I don’t at all think this is a good explanation, if Wong were to take Steven’s title is should have happened automatically or at least soon after the blip started but again, this is just me playing devil’s advocate.
My gripe with Wong is his caricaturizing. In Dr. Strange, he was this stoic library guardian, with the one gag showing that he's listening to modern music to show he has this other lighter side to him. They took this gag and ran with it harder than the Olympic torch runner. From that point on, they kept making him goofier and goofier, less respectable and more rash and brash. The arena fight is just a wrestling gig. Like those WWE matches, both sides are in on it for the show and for the money. His excuse of having a worthy opponent to get his title? That's a lie. Because he doesn't care, he'll just bullshit his way to diffuse the situation. He doesn't care about Abomination's imprisonment as that's beneath him, and he only returns him because Emil shows some responsibility for his actions.
When I saw the abomination in Shang Shi, I just thought, Ah cool, Wong started a Villain reabilitation program and he's been working with abomination for a while now. That's just a special session
If there was a simple throwaway line from Wong or Blonsky saying "Colonel Ross wanted to ensure I was ready to be reintroduced to the civilian population", and how that match in the club was a test for him, it would've made infinitely more sense. Wong, as Sorcerer Supreme, can perform such a test without needing to get the government or parole board involved, and, normally, it'd be a simple procedure. Get him out, do the fight, then send him back. Wow, an idea I came up with in 30 seconds was better than what a team of writers could come up with
The idea of Wong making friends with Abomination is the sort of thing which sounds really cool, *in concept.* Like, give me a buddy cop movie where Wong **somehow** redeems Abomination, and I'd appreciate the creativity of the premise, if nothing else. You could do a whole weird story where maybe Wong needs to prevent someone else from obtaining Abomination's blood for some evil arcane ritual. I dunno. Something. Instead, the story treats it as just a bland reference along the line of, "Hey, you remember these people? Remember them? Don't you like it when you remember things?"
A major problem with all this is Abomination being up for parole. He would be in prison for life after what he done in The Incredible Hulk, meaning Wong wouldnt have to testify and incriminate himself
A wizard in a comedy: "I'm a powerful magical wizard and I need your sandwich for my magic spells, I'm DEFINITELY not taking it because I'm hungry." Madvocate: "you're telling me this wizard needs this specific sandwich for his spells? Even though he's casted these spells before without this sandwich? Wow, bad writing."
I'm going to be honest, I thought the Abomination fight was just a funny gag where Wong was fighting him to earn money on the side and showing what happened to a forgotten villian. Making it a plot in She Hulk kinda ruins it for me.
As much as I agree with all your reasoning but I'm pretty sure no sorcerer cares about what countries think or want, they literally exist as a higher power dealing with actual threats and not stupid politics. Sure the government could list Wong as a fugitive but they have no real way to stop him or contain him unless for help from other heroes.
I have recently begun writing a script defending Alien from a very bad review. My script so far has over 7000 words and I’m only half way through the video. I tip my hat to the old guard. Absolute chads.
Lol. Typical "You can't criticize this show/movie! It's not supposed to be serious!" The second I can't criticize something is the second I no longer have any respect for it. Criticism and critique is how you get better. If you're shit at drawing, but everyone else keeps saying "No! No. You're drawing is perfect don't let anyone tell you otherwise. Never change!", you're gonna STAY shit at drawing.
And if you can’t criticize it, then it’s not a show worthy of, nor deserves praise or accolades. Because it doesn’t take itself seriously to where it _could_ hold up to scrutiny.
He used the memory erase spell to make people forget about logic and consistency
That's Marvel As a whole not just wong.
Disney's over arching story to take over the world.
Bu-bu-but character growth. Creative liberties! Comic "accurate" look.
@@knightofkorbin888 ☝'finger wag'
@@joshuajackson4161 magic is literally a finger wag so why are you people being dense? Oh right because you are miserable people and can’t sit the fuck down and try to enjoy shit for what it is.
Wong is proof that an actor's performance can make any terrible character likeable.
It can't unless you don't think about his character at all.
@@Сайтамен it can make him likable, not well written.
@@thephoenix4093 Exactly.
@@thephoenix4093 yep, Likeable =/= Well-written
tf are you talking about? Wong is the GOAT
One way they could've explained, in a casual throw away line, how nobody noticed Abomination vanished from the cell:
When Wong is talking about taking him he could mention about how he left an illusion behind so as not to alarm the guards.
Also:
There is no federal parole.
You're expecting competency in a Marvel production? Get out of town!🤣
@@erikbihari3625 Seriously. Get out of town before some batshit crazy witch comes and holds you hostage as her way of grieving her dead, lover robot and her imaginary kids.
I actually like that, fuck it seems so simple too how did the writers not think about this
It would've made much more sense if it wasn't a parole as much as it was Blonsky's first proper trial since his rampage in Incredible Hulk.
According to the Sokovia Accords, anyone with enhanced powers can be detained indefinitely without trial. Episode 7 revealed in a throwaway line that the Accords were repealed, so Abomination would have to be tried for his crimes in order to remain imprisoned. If that little bit of world building had been established from the get-go, it would've made the premise of the show (and the opening arc) much more interesting.
I guess that could still be the case? They never show camera footage of like an empty cell exactly. They didn't even know he left until that phone footage leaked, so obviously Wong did something to mask Abominations absence. Either an illusion or he messed with the cameras.
This whole Wong issue is part of the reason why its hard to watch the MCU now. They just have no clue what they're doing for a collective story, and it leads to individual writers doing whatever they can to just push their individual pieces out with no thought process of the long run
Now that's comic accurate
@@jevy2099 LOL facts
I think this is just an issue with multiple writers.
(Let's be real, this is even a problem with single authors, Araki forgot is a meme for a reason.)
See I’d be on board with that if the non event movies were more self contained in their stories, but since EVERYTHING has to be connected then it’s gonna get troublesome
@@razi_man Araki forgot is a terrible example because a lot of “Araki forgot” moments have been debunked.
Honestly it's impressive how much he knows about the MCU and keeps up with its events to be able to spot minute inconsistencies despite seemingly disliking it.
We should ask for him to cover then the two Sonic l.a. movies!(like cw flash.)
you can enjoy something and still have problems with it
@@platinumwolf526The exception enforces the rule.
@@platinumwolf526 Yeah, hence why I said "seemingly." I'm not sure what his overall opinions on the MCU are.
Its almost like he does research for his videos. Crazy thought, I know.
Its absolutely insane how Wong is one of the fandoms more favorite characters when he has been practically demoted to a glorified cameo. Like, we barely know anything about Wong as a character yet hes been in more movies that most of the current cast. The glorification of miminal effort from the majority of MCU fans is a big contributing factor in the lack of care for characters.
Honestly Wong just appears to be a lazy replacement for Stan Lee cameos. Wong can just show up wherever he wants and do whatever he wants during those cameos because...Sorcerer Supreme. And getting Benedict Wong is a heck of a lot cheaper than getting Benedict Cumberbatch for cameos.
And it's a shame. Stan Lee cameos could be silly things. But Wong is an identified character within that universe. If he shows up for a stupid fight with Abomination or becomes a fugitive of the USA in She-Hulk, there are supposed to be consequences for that. And that is supposed to impact who is character is and his arc. But instead they just don't care, use him in the same "this seems like a funny idea" way and further demolishes Wong. At this point we really don't understand him at all anymore. The guy he was in Doctor Strange 1 and the guy he is after She-Hulk aren't remotely the same character.
@@Flaris All Alike (so you may wanna watch):
-Jay Excis Doctor-Who-Essay
-Hbomberguys RWBY-Video and Sherlock-Essay
-Madvocate and his Flash-Coverage
-Most of Krimson Rogues Channel
-Basically the whole Channel of Some-More-News and Hello-Future-Me
I say this because the Art-Form of 'Eecommendations' aint dead.
It just aint.
Wait till you hear about Luis...
It's criminal how Wong has been in so many projects yet Michael Mando has yet to take off 😑
@saimin yeah, it all seems so forced.
Watching Wong in Phase 4 is like watching Rhodey in phases 1-3: except you’re watching a character crumble and be ruined over & over in the background instead of delvoping into a neat character.
@@nenmaster5218 I’m subbed to Jay & Madvocate but I’ll check the others out, thanks!
@@VentA_7 !!!
@@VentA_7 For Krimson Rogue, i especially recommend his Roast of 'Empress Theresa'. Its hilarious af.
"It's like this, but the opposite"?
Rhodes had 0 devolpment and it has always been a sidekick. Is a miracle he survived the snap
As a Doctor Who fan, I desperately want this man to watch it, he'd have a flipping heart attack
He'd need to be a four D chess master for it!
@@erikbihari3625 😄
@@patrickleonard1114I mean try unraveling river song's timeline from her appearences alone!
@@erikbihari3625 I know, and the inconsistencies in what The Doctor's abilities are are huge
@@patrickleonard1114how do you know, gone through it with a fine teeth comb?
Feige...all you had to do was tell Jessica Gao to make Wong Abomination's parole officer, and work from there. It shouldn't have been that hard to do.
Gao is a hack, it wouldn't have mattered either way
@@ninjanibba4259 unfortunately so, this _is_ the woman who wrote the Pickle Rick episode.
All you had ro do was realize that idea is so complete utter dog shit and never make another comment again in your life. It shouldn't be that hard to do.
@@grandarkfang_1482 that episode was so corny lol
Felt like filler
How would that make anymore sense? Why would they randomly make a Sorcerer his parole officer?
One thing that stuck out to me is how the job of a sorcerer Supreme is to "protect the time stone." That kinda raises the question of why a sorcerer Supreme is even needed anymore.
In multiverse of madness, they imply it's basically their job to be a leader, but Dr. Strange just leads people anyway. So why don't they just make him sorcerer Supreme too. Is there a limit to how many leaders they can have?
I think saying that the job of a sorcerer supreme is to protect the time stone doesn't in any way imply that that's their only job
now we already know that sorcerer's protect reality
that'd mean that the sorcerer supreme would just be the leader of those that protect reality
I also think that it's well within Wong's powers to circumvent cameras in abomination's prison(though that's only a conjecture since we don't see it)
i also think that Strange's comment on how Wong became sorcerer supreme on a technicality is not mutually exclusive with Wong's comments on him training for it
it's like when Naruto became a Hokage, he was allowed to be one because he was just that good, but he was still made to study as a part of the process
His problems stem from him imposing some kind of mutually exclusive presuppositions that needn't be true or haven't been shown to be true
He later on goes to point out that Wong was training after Strange had already returned
This once again shows that we just don't know what the process of becoming a Sorcerer supreme is, but that also means that he doesn't know either
Strange was the Chosen One according to the Ancient One, that is enough reason for Strange to become the sorcerer supreme (along with his skills that outclass Wong)
But at the same time, he's the Sorcerer supreme that sacrificed the time stone
We don't really know the process of choosing a sorcerer supreme, or what happens when one gets blipped, or one loses the time stone and then come back
Also, him talking about Wong's punches is just how sparring partners talk
it's like DBZ characters fighting for a day and then reflecting over their fight
Abomination is for helping Wong, he does it by sparring with him
Also, it's perfectly reasonable that Wong would fight non mystical beings
he'll fight those that he'll realistically encounter in a fight, that includes someone like Abomination
once again, he presupposes that all Wong did in 5 years of blip is to fight Abomination, which is a completely baseless statement
Wong is also earning money in this way, so him not fighting in a more secluded place makes sense, because he still needs money to survive(we have also been shown that Wong has some possible money problems in Infinity War)
As for why didn't Blonsky tell anyone? it's anyone's best guess considering that Blonsky doesn't seem to be the brightest tool in the shed
Now don't know about shadow dimension but what he showed us was the dark dimension
And the mirror dimension isn't even bad, it's just the mirror of our own dimension
it's a perfectly safe place to keep Blonsky
The part of him being a fugitive is something I can totally get behind
though once again, engaging in mystic arts is a messy business with the only consolation being the person that's doing the messing around(whether they're good or evil)
Well i think it's more like a tradition to have only one sorcerer supreme.
@@it6647 dude wrote a novel
@@Rio-zh2wb fr
@@it6647 We (I) salute too for making such a time consuming sacrifice. And also making things make more sense
I still don't understand why Wong didn't give up being Sorcerer Supreme once Strange came back. He never seemed like he really wanted to be SS anyway.
I too find it improbable that Wong would want to be a member of the Waffen SS.
Well Strange is reckless... It could be possible that Wong had enough of Strange stupidity and decided to become ss.
@@Psyduck15O8 What recklessness prior to Endgame are you referring to?
Strange probably wouldn't have felt like he still had the skills to do that. Not only that, I think you keep that title till you die.
Also Dr. Strange is off doing a ton of other shit, that wouldn't allow him to fulfill his duties as Sorcerer supreme.
Maybe he couldn't, or it's not just something you give up without a process and that process was underway?
He must have cracked under the pressure of being Sorcerer Supreme, went from competent to dumb within the five year gap
Everyone has!
>doesn’t care about consistency
>refuses to elaborate
>teleports away
absolute fucking giga chad
Wong just let's spiderman no way home happen even though it could literally destroy the multiverse
It wouldn't destroy the multiverse
It's implied that they have used that forgetting spell multiple times. In NWH there was the full moon party that Wong didn't remember AND in she hulk Wong says "I know what you're thinking ms walters and I am NOT erasing everyone's minds again" considering strange was the one who did the spells in NWH Wong could be referring to another time.
Seems like undoing the spell was pretty easy, Strange just had to put the bad spell in that box thing goblin blew up later in the movie. Peter wanting to save people was the problem.
@@okand6770 incursions caused by people from other universes being in a different universe for too long/ at all. Go watch dr strange 2
@@mahoutsuguy863 Yeah that still doesn't destroy the multiverse. It destroys a universe or even two, sure. That's it.
Glad to have helped with this wonderful video. Thank you again for giving me the chance to lend my voice! :D
Everyone in the show feels like a caricature designed solely for the plot and to revolve around Jen. Continuity, characterization, pacing, all of it is all over the place. It’s like they’re trying to be both an episodic weekly shenanigans type of show while also having an overarching plot regarding Jen’s blood, and neither are good. The episodic stuff makes no sense, and the overarching plot stuff is so underdeveloped we don’t care about it.
Also, why the hell does Wong need to sue Donny Blaze at all? Shouldn’t he be able to just portal to him, take the sling ring, and just leave? All Blaze seems to be able to do is make portals with the sling ring, so take that away and he’s just a guy. If he wanted to go the extra mile, he could use magic to scare Blaze into never using real magic again.
All the legal stuff makes absolutely no sense. Wong shouldn’t be able to just portal a random civilian into the courtroom and have her give a statement while clearly intoxicated. The “writers” either focus too much on being a “comedy” that they forget about the actual story, or they know they suck at writing the story and hope the “comedy” will save it by acting like it’s “changing up the marvel formula”
The only realistic legal scene was with Matt Murdock. He walked in, made a charming joke, and dismantled Jen’s entire case within 3 minutes. Because Jen really sucks at being a lawyer, yet the show keeps acting like she’s incredible at it while she stumbles over her arguments, does absolutely no research into the case itself and seems to be making everything up as she goes along
Jen actually is a good lawyer for being able to get abomination out of jail. She only fails to help the leap frog because he forgot to mention he signed instructions/ a warrant which isn’t her fault. Leap frog just failed to uphold information. Everything else is right
Basically why I didn’t like Legends of Tomorrow after the first half of season 3, which saw the introduction of the ugly doll named Beebo.
At least She-Hulk was funny, unlike LoT.
@@Dave102693 yeah the final 2 episodes made me laugh a good bit
I still don't know what Wong could have possibly threatened Blonsky with, would he have made threats against the women that blonsky is in a relationship with. Wouldn't that make wong a villain
Yes, it would
Heyyyyy it’s clipped coin fancy seeing you here good sir.
Wong lied, Blonksy lied, they both just like to go to fight clubs, how is this so hard to realize for people? Of course Wong didnt force him to go, Wong asked him, and Blonksy knowing that he doesn't get to leave his cell ever, takes a chance to join a fight club.
How is this so hard for people to understand?
@@YahhSirio cuz it's out of freaking character, why is that so hard for YOU to understand? Why are you willing to accept garbage like it's a yard sale?
@@ninjanibba4259 I mean in She Hulk, He makes a complete 180 from who he was when we last saw him.
So is it also "Out of character" for him to act the way he does now? No because it's character development.
He might just do the fight club to blow off steam. He might do it, because it's something different for him to do while he is stuck in a cell 24/7.
Who really knows. All you need to know is that Wong and Blonsky are lying about the real reason.
I think the “training for sorcerer supreme” and technicality lines could mean that wong did get it on a technicality but wanted to become more powerful to truly live up to the title.
I'm just surprised he doesn't try employing it to the Sonic movies!
He's had 5 years of training during the blip....what has he been doing in all that time? Watching TV?
There's no excuses of how Wong is written
@@ninjanibba4259 that’s true but I’m talking bout the implication that Wong is currently working on getting the title which contradicts the line in NWH
@@grahamdayam3693 this phase is just the worse....the more we think about it, the worse it becomes
It really does seem no one cared enough to communicate the simplest details of the MCU structure
@@ninjanibba4259 true
Honestly I think it would be interesting to explore how someone who can just teleport out of prison is basically just above the law in most ways that matter. Of course they won't do that, but maybe someone else could, IDK
Without his ring he can't teleport, so he can be easily imprisoned. The hard part is actually catching him
@@skial7493 Wong is not going to jail. A streaming show can't majorly effect the MCU.
POV: gun.
“As an actor you often have to expend a lot of time and energy trying to make a silk purse out of a pig’s ear, trying to improve bad writing.”
-Charles Dance
It's almost like the executives at Disney and Marvel said: "Welp, we literally peaked with Endgame, no point in trying anymore as we already made the highest grossing move of all time."
I feel like you're right. Of course, plenty of other people have also made the highest grossing movies of all time... until someone out-grossed them. I can't wait for this to bite them in the ass, when they get dethroned and, due to years of not caring, are in no position to even put up a fight to get the crown back.
nah they haven’t even used the x men yet. L take
@@trianglemoebius Nah they haven’t even used the x men or fantastic four so L
@@imhim3717 you're sad and soon to be disappointed
@@CorelUser L
Regarding the memory erasure line. I was initially very fearful that, with the talk that everyone kind of "got over" the blip. Wong meant that he used the memory erasure powers a second time to FORCE that onto everyone. Luckily it's just an odd but weird line, but man that could've very easily been a choice of the writers and so much worse as a result.
using the spell to make people forget would be a good thing no?
why let them continue to suffer from the blip any longer than necessary?..
On a smaller scale maybe, but no it would be absolutely atrocious and what kind of abominable consequences it would have is insane by itself.
@@somethingwithultra7231 it has no consequences, only time it's dangerous is when you fuck it up, which strange doesn't when spider man isn't in the mix, so wong probably wouldn't either (assuming he couldn't just get strange to do it)
@@fortnitesexman By smaller scale, it means only few is directly effected. in Spiderman's case, Only A few hundred people knows peter parker personally and even less are directly influenced by him while for the rest of the world, it's just tuesday. Blip is something that's experienced by everyone in the whole universe for 5 years. A hole in memory of a hundred people will be felt by themself, but they most likely won't talk about it. But when the whole world have hole in their memory, they know something is up.
@@Dismiazs what??
literally what are you talking about, i never mentioned anything about scale?..
and..literally all of spider man no way home disagrees with you, noone would notice a hole in their memory because the shit writing says so
the spell would've work if peter hadn't asked strange to change it midway through casting, and the spell at the end quite literally worked
I think Dr. Strange proved himself worthy when he fought and won against Dormamu, which just proves your point that a mystical threat would be a better foe to train for being SS.
I still don’t know why *Wong* is ranked as *Sorcerer Supreme* when he could just use portals instead of spells that we didn’t know about.
I love Wong, but FINALLY someone said it
I'm genuinely impressed by how well you keep up with the logic and continuity of this franchise. I kinda just checked out after Eternals and Ms Marvel came out. I waited for Daredevil in this series and kinda got what I was expecting. I just separate him from his Netflix counterpart. At this point I don't even watch any Marvel related until Wakanda Forever comes out. Here's hoping they dont fuck that up.
Werewolf by night seems cool, I’ve just seen the beginning but it’s not She Hulk at least.
@@Xlaeflicks that special kicked ass
Was actually "something different" for Marvel
@@disguyz709 Yeah I was too tired to finish it yesterday but it definitely had something, just compare the cinematography of this “special” to half the MOVIES of phase 4 and you already get that it’s different. I guess they just wanted to spend more time and effort on it than on the 400 billion movie that Thor Love and Thunder is 😭🤣
@@glurpious73 it wasn’t, the last fight scene was ass because of the vfx but the movie itself was fine
@@glurpious73 lol I don’t have time for this, if you don’t like it fine but except if you have arguments I don’t see the point of that conversation
I am a big mcu fan but I got to say listening to you pick apart the plot is far more entertaining
When it isn't?
@@erikbihari3625 probably never their monotone voice works so well with his style
@@SuperChez100.That's true!🤣
10:48 that isn't the Shadow Dimension, that's the Dark Dimension. The Shadow Dimension is where the Necrosword was forged and home to the Shadow Monsters conjured by it, and this is the first time it's been mentioned in the MCU as an easter egg (though i'm sure we'll see more of it eventually). I understand the confusion though
Both the necrosword and the shadow dimension are key points in Thor: Love and Thunder which came out before she hulk so not quite accurate there
@@RighteousBoone the Shadow Dimension isn't mentioned, referenced, or shown in thor love and thunder. She-Hulk is the first time it's appeared at all in the MCU; i think you're thinking about the Shadow Realm, where Gorr kept the children captive. the Shadow Realm is a realm like Asgard, but not one of the Nine Realms, just a barren planet devoid of life, colour, and light. While it is possible the Shadow Realm is the MCU's version of the Shadow Dimension, it's very unlikely as they fit very different descriptions, the Shadow Dimension is mentioned by name in She-Hulk while the Shadow Realm is only ever referred to as that, and the Shadow Dimension being (obviously) another dimension like the Dark Dimension while the Shadow Realm is an area or planet in space like all the other realms. Again, easy to see the confusion, there's way too much going on in Marvel lol
I thought it was the same...shadow creates dark...
@@kurocat471 they introduced so much shit that I think they don't know anymore what they are referencing...same with timelines, universes, realities, realms, dimensions...they use all these words in Endgame to describe the same thing.
I think the implication for Abominations escape is that the sorcerer blanked out the cameras with magic or smth? But like that should’ve just been shown, not inferred, not told
I think Wong doing some magic to the cameras happened (I refuse to believe Abomination's cell didn't have cameras). But that would raise more questions, Was Abomination's breakout a one-time thing or a frequent thing? Wong mentioned that he practiced with Abomination before the fight. And assuming the breakout was a one-time thing, how come the guards didn't try to fix the cameras or check with Emil?
So here you are, making an inference. Then complaining that it should not have been inferred yet shown to you.
Why are you able to come to that inference yet you feel the need for it to be shown to you. It should be easily implied for anyone watching with any level of intellect that, that is the way it happened.
@@YahhSirio Because, as long as it's inference, "Wong messed with the cameras" remains effectively fan theory. Fan theories are great, but they should never be used to excuse lazy writing. "We'll imply some stuff, let the audience fill in the blanks" is great, and avoids over-expositing. "We're too lazy to fill this hole in, we'll just leave that to the audience and see what they infer" is the stance of a hack.
@@trianglemoebius You know what would be lazy?
If the reality bending magic man didn't cover his tracks while breaking the law.
Just because they didn't show you (yet), doesn't mean it's lazy. They just haven't shown you how he managed to do it for so long and not get caught.
Not a fan theory if what they are doing is building character for Wong and subtly dropping hints that he may not be the super serious guy everyone sees him as.
@@YahhSirio well see the reason for my complaint is A) my inference is to cover their ass, I shouldnt have to do that, im covering a plot hole for them, and B) my inference doesnt work since they knew wong did it, which implies a bigger plot hole
Also, apparently, a worthy opponent for a Sorcerer Supreme who has to train to defend world from mystical threats is a guy without any mystical ability or link with it whatsoever...
Like... You are a fencer, you need workout or else, you fight a boxer ?
Man... The writing is Twitter level, it's a form of art at this point.
it's worse than that. Why does Wong get to choose his own opponent? He even tells Abomination not to punch too hard.
It's pretty obvious that that is not what Shang-Chi had in mind. That fight was clearly for show, as evidenced by Abomination and Wong being on good terms. She-Hulk just made up some non-sense that does not fit.
Yet another addition to the MCU that can be declared non-cannon. Along with.....most of Phase 4?
@@TheFuzzician These types of inconsistencies happen all the time in the comics and it's because of how different writers handle characters
My god, is everyone in this comment section dumb as hell or am I crazy?
WONG LIED, BLONKSY LIEDDDD. THEY BOTH LIED ABOUT WHY HE ESCAPED HIS CELL. THEY BOTH JUST LIKE TO DO FIGHT CLUBS. HE DID NOT ACTUALLY NEED TO PROVE HIMSELF WITH A WORTHY OPPENENT.
THIS SHOULD EASILY BE KNOWN FOR ANYONE WHEN THEY RECOGNIZE THAT THEY DID IT IN A UNDERGROUND FIGHT CLUB.
Especially when Strange is here. Why isn't he training with Strange ?
@@smilingman4299 Because Emil and Wong lied, they are doing something else together and the "Needed a worthy opponent" was a lie. At the end of She-Hulk there is a scene where Wong breaks Emil out of prison, and it's because they are setting up future events.
I heard a theory that Wong was sparring with Abomination because he thinks he didn't bring enough people in Endgame...
Well! Now we finally have our answer! Are you happy with it!?!
BECAUSE I'M NOT!
That could've been a really interesting arc for Wong. A constant feeling of inadequacy because the battle against Thanos failed to go how it should have, twice. Not that Wong had any sort of connection to Tony, but as sorcerer supreme, he could be accepting that responsibility.
Honestly that's what I'd assumed him "training" was for to be able to protect the earth from the next Thanos level threat as the current Sorcerer Supreme but guess they decided that would be too interesting to write and just made it a whole big joke or whatever.
It's depressing that with how sloppy and broken the continuity in the MCU is nowadays, especially considering that it used to be one of the strongest aspects of the series.
Doctor Strange is such a good movie with super strong rules in it, being it my favorite Marvel movie ever, I'm so sad for what Marvel has been doing with it's characters recently :(
Character writing in the hands on the MCU? What could possibly go Wong?
nah they used to be good at writing characters
Bro made me have an asthma attack
@@supersaiyan6004 you should see your doctor. Or use an inhaler.
It is weird they chose to make the fight apart of Wong’s training when there was a pretty obvious continuation. Wong, knowing Earth needs mighty heroes and being the sorcerer supreme who is supposed to be a morally righteous figure to at least some extent, decides to train and rehabilitate Abomination so he can fight for good or at the very least be normalised to society. The fight in the cage could have been Wong giving him some much needed space outside his confined cell and a lesson of some kind in self-control as Abomination is told to hold his punches, something he will probably need to do if he becomes a hero, protect himself in self-defence or even just decides to protect someone on a whim in his crime ridden world.
This would add some character development to Abomination and help establish why Wong DESERVES to keep the title of sorcerer supreme despite being weaker than Dr Strange
Btw avengers secret wars script will be writen by the same guy who wrote doctor strange 2 and loki
Big F for Marvel. That avengers script will suck
why does disney spend millions on cgi but hire writers that have no other experience with good writing
I sleep peacefully knowing Madvocate is out here fighting the good fight against bad writing
Not bad writing just idiots like you who think it is
don't forget critical drinker too
@@danielnidhiry5796 Critical Drinker doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about 90% of the time.
@@YahhSirio u sure about that
@@danielnidhiry5796 Yes he's wrong about a lot of the stuff he talks about.
0:53 People who dismiss not blindly liking, praising and accepting everything in a show as nitpicking annoy me.
Tbh when it comes to whole explanation about Sorcerer Supreme i took it as Wong just giving version of story that would be helpful Abomination, while his adding line about training is just not to say "i needed pocket money". Not that it makes sense in Shang Chi.
Welcome to the mcu's topsy turvy world!
She hulk is the show of all time.
No dude, are you serious, ass opinion. SHE HULK IS ONE OF THE MOST STORIES EVER MADE IN EXISTENCE
@@riptear7768 debatable.
@@thornnorton5953 NO, OMDSFGS SHE HULK IS SO FUCKING, IT'S CHARACTER ARCS ARE ONE OF THE MOST! I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU DIDN'T!
@@riptear7768 How does this affect Morbius’s legacy though?
@@thornnorton5953 IT'S ONE OF THE MOST
Love how he has a check list for the entire episode
Who doesn't?
What you need to understand is that The Flash is a comedy, which makes it incapable of having bad writing.
I can totally buy that Wong was lying to She Hulk to conceal the pride involved with the whole scenario. That said, Strange became Sorcerer Supreme after his movie because he used the time stone for those loops and gained the experience over an immeasurable amount of time. Wong never resorted to that so him training isn’t a major stretch
5 years of the blip would suggest differently, plus he should already have certain knowledge of the Arts since he was there before Strange
The writers are incompetent and lazy
@@ninjanibba4259 The reason Dr. Strange became sorcerer supreme is because he mastered the mystical arts and was able to complete the Trials of Vishanti after the Ancient Ones death. Wong would have had to do the same, because this is the only way to gain that title. Wong may have been there longer but you forget the fact that Dr. Strange literally took on Kaecilius almost single handedly even while corrupted by the dark dimension.
The “nerdarodtic cameo” line had me crying🤣🤣
I'm sorry to hear you've watched Shulk. You're a braver man than most.
Why do you people feel the need to constantly hate on things you don't even watch?
@@125loopy I'm watching it and I hate it.
@@125loopy as am I
@@125loopy Because I can.
"An empty beach"
*shows a beach with people on it*
Wong knows and does the impossible without explanation classic mystic arts
15:51 This little clip made me laugh way more than the entirety of She-Hulk's 8 episodes
Check bully maguire!
One throwaway line about an illusion or magically messing with the cameras could have fixed so much but it doesn’t seem they care enough for that...
Who cares about logic and consistency in the MCU? She-Hulk is a slice-of-life about the everyday of women's lives; it's all about the relatability baby!
No seriously, they really said that's what She-Hulk is all about in some interviews.
No it wouldn't because it is implied.
14:38 idk sorcerers having diplomatic immunity kinda makes sense. Doesn't seem that far-fetched. Makes it easier for them to protect the world and such
Also, how would you even go about imprisoning a sorcerer??
🤡
Wong is one of the characters of all time in the mcu, my favorite scene of him is when he said "it's wong'n time!" And wonged all over the place
Morbius ruined memes for at least the next few weeks
@@anyways4438 agreed
Years*
YES. WONG.
I like the idea of Wong being the "everyman" guy.
But Disney can't handle that.
Safer locations to fight a rage monster? Maybe. But does it pay for Wongs addiction to Amphetamines and Ladies of the night?
The continuity is all over the place, and now I’m curious to know what was made first. Was all of this planned, or did the writers from each project just throw in Wong and Abomination wherever they wanted? Did Marvel studios make Shang Chi and then added in the Wing scene later because they needed something weird to set up the cage fight?
"Everyone loves Wong"
Well, i don't so that makes that statement a lie.
They're clearly setting up Wong to die in Doctor Strange 3 so Stephen can be the Sorcerer Supreme again
In HISHE voice "Yes. Wong"...
I see the She-Hulk colour scheme, I see a new Madvocate video, and I smile.
Nice content as usual, keep it up!
Can’t wait to see Madvocates appreciation video of Daredevil’s appearance in She-Hulk.
Truly the Daredevil of all time.
When pigs fly!
I haven't, nor will ever, see it. So how bad was he?
@@jcore0981 walk of shame.
@@jcore0981 He was not done justice in this show. I can acknowledge he was the best part, but that doesn’t change the damage done
@@brendofire2084 I'm curious if this rendition specifically will be the permanent MCU one or if Echo and his show will essentially ignore this.
Honestly, I didn't mind him in Shang Chi. Small touches like "Maybe you should control yourself like we practiced" and using his actual human name implied (to me) that he was effectively on some kind of Parole or prison leave system, trying to get him to control his powers and maybe rehabilitate himself. Hell, the "like we practiced" part seemed to imply it'd been going on for a WHILE, and the cage match wasn't just the first time he left.
She-Hulk just totally bunged that up.
I can't wait for your companion video: Abomination is a Wong of a character 😂😂😂
Wait that Wong part, it can still work.
1) Wong became Sorcerer Supreme (SS) by default, but due to his obligations he fought the "worthy" opponent.
2) Wong met abomination the first time long before, but he just continued to fight with him because of idk money I guess 😂.
3) And going to other dimensions and fighting beasts, there is no evidence that Wong didn't do that. He might have fought abomination along with all these things.
It's celotape fix to a glaring hole but for now I can only think of this. 😅
That makes sense! Perhaps Wong felt inferior to the Ancient One (since he’s SS by default) and wanted to be as strong as her so he’d start training in order to be prepared for the next Thanos level threat. (And considering M.o.M. he really has to step up his game)
@@low-key-tony you can also see that he is uncomfortable, when strange doesn't regard him as SS, may be feeding that insecurities more.
So he can fight as many different beasts as he wants, but decided that one of them must be stolen from prison...
The training argument was so flimsy to me that my initial reaction was to assume that Wong was lying to cover up his real intention of just being a naughty boi and having fun.
I could honestly see an in-universe explanation of: The Sorcerer Supreme cannot be arrested (like a diplomatic immuntiy)
The problem is.
The show doesn't say that!?
It could have been a funny bit when he comes back
She-Hulk telling him off for being a dick, and him saying 'yeah, but you can't arrest the sorcerer supreme'
Makes him even more of a dick, but that seems to be where they're taking him anyways
Strange became sorcerer supreme because the time stone pretty much allowed him to train for what felt like millions of years when he was fighting and loosing to Dorammamu
Dr strange getting the title of sorcerous supreme after his first movie actually makes sense even if wong needed to train for more 5 years for the title.
Strange was stuck in a time loop of constant fighting against dormamu for who knows how long. It makes sense all of that practice would translate to skill. And wong saw him manipulate time at that fight, so Strange probably told Wong "hey I kinda was stuck in a time loop until dormamu gave up. I've become way better than I was at the start."
But yeah, bullcrap about the Shang shi
how I would’ve written this
guy: wong why are you training evil hulk?
Wong: train him to be good and we get two hulks TWO FUCKING HULKS JERRY!!
Looks like we were asking the... Wong questions 😎
The defense that it'll be fixed in a later property needs to die. Every new property has introduced elements that serve to further pulverize the continuity under the same exact excuse, that a later property will fix it in post. An already irreparably broken continuity is not a sound fall back for defending anything.
I can only imagine he essay for She-Hulk.
The MCU is stumbling badly. The entire first saga was mostly good. But this next phase is all over the place. They're so interested in marketing to people who don't really care for super hero stuff. Its so baffling because they go "this wasn't made for you, but you're a bad person if you don't watch it!"
Wut? Why would you do that?
The amount of damage this one show is doing to the mcu is crazy😭😭
6:10 It sounds like Wong was lying to help abomination. But I've never seen She-Hulk but I think it would fit his character.
I also took the line "hold back punches" as a line of reformation, but now that I've seen that clip in she-hulk it falters. Because why wouldn't Wong talk to the prison to assist in the reformation.
My second thought is he was doing it for money and abomination was in the skit.
I am sure you’ve already noticed this, but I’m pretty sure Wong is Lying for Emil Blonsky. I think the writers are trying to give him more pride and in return had him go to the cage match with Abomination (Someone that people will recognize) for people to scream his name. It absolutely contradicts his character. I have no idea what they were thinking.
Watching san Chi (Amazing movie) this scene pissed me off so much, it basically told me that everything that was built up from Wong was destroyed in between the time of Infinity war and end game, and then MoM and Spider-man came out and I was just confused lmao.
To answer your question about strange's training, we don't know how long the time loop he put up went for. He kept fight/ training the whole time
This is gonna be good! I literally commented on ECUM yesterday about this!
Edit: It was good, another masterpiece Madvocate!
To be fair to be Wong they can't travel the Multiverse because Wanda destroyed the darkhold, meaning they cant shadow walk. They CAN l, however, travel anywhere in the universe! (Where as Strange knows, exists all sorts of aliens)
So, what I'm getting from this video is: "She-Hulk" and "Shang Chi" ruined Wong's character by making him some arrogant wizard who puts people in danger and forces other people to fight him for his own pride and glory, lies about it and then evades the law. Great job Disney 🙃
I kinda thought that wongs bout with abomination in Shang-chi was about money. Like they were staging the fight in order to scam the guys putting it on and abomination got Carried away. Which is why I thought wong kept reprimanding him for hitting too hard.
the vibe I got from shang chi is that wong was just doing some rehabtlltion training for abomination to control his anger or something like that
I assumed he was teaching abomination to control his strength and then was gonna get him a new life/break him out permanently and that he does this a lot.
To play devil’s advocate. The technicality Strange is referring to could be that Wong was earth’s top sorcerer during the blip, while Strange was dust, without officially taking that title from Strange. Once Strange returned, he has technically been an “inactive” Sorcerer supreme for 5 years, thus there was a strong case to be made that Wong should now be Sorcerer supreme instead of Steven. As a result Wong starts training to become Sorcerer supreme, leading to the cage fight in Shang-Chi and him officially being Sorcerer supreme by No way home.
I don’t at all think this is a good explanation, if Wong were to take Steven’s title is should have happened automatically or at least soon after the blip started but again, this is just me playing devil’s advocate.
Abomination should be treated as a end of the world level threat.
Still gotta watch Morbius and Wong to finish this video tho 😂
My gripe with Wong is his caricaturizing. In Dr. Strange, he was this stoic library guardian, with the one gag showing that he's listening to modern music to show he has this other lighter side to him. They took this gag and ran with it harder than the Olympic torch runner. From that point on, they kept making him goofier and goofier, less respectable and more rash and brash.
The arena fight is just a wrestling gig. Like those WWE matches, both sides are in on it for the show and for the money. His excuse of having a worthy opponent to get his title? That's a lie. Because he doesn't care, he'll just bullshit his way to diffuse the situation. He doesn't care about Abomination's imprisonment as that's beneath him, and he only returns him because Emil shows some responsibility for his actions.
When I saw the abomination in Shang Shi, I just thought, Ah cool, Wong started a Villain reabilitation program and he's been working with abomination for a while now.
That's just a special session
If there was a simple throwaway line from Wong or Blonsky saying "Colonel Ross wanted to ensure I was ready to be reintroduced to the civilian population", and how that match in the club was a test for him, it would've made infinitely more sense.
Wong, as Sorcerer Supreme, can perform such a test without needing to get the government or parole board involved, and, normally, it'd be a simple procedure. Get him out, do the fight, then send him back.
Wow, an idea I came up with in 30 seconds was better than what a team of writers could come up with
The idea of Wong making friends with Abomination is the sort of thing which sounds really cool, *in concept.*
Like, give me a buddy cop movie where Wong **somehow** redeems Abomination, and I'd appreciate the creativity of the premise, if nothing else. You could do a whole weird story where maybe Wong needs to prevent someone else from obtaining Abomination's blood for some evil arcane ritual. I dunno. Something.
Instead, the story treats it as just a bland reference along the line of, "Hey, you remember these people? Remember them? Don't you like it when you remember things?"
A major problem with all this is Abomination being up for parole. He would be in prison for life after what he done in The Incredible Hulk, meaning Wong wouldnt have to testify and incriminate himself
New madvocate vid lets go
A wizard in a comedy: "I'm a powerful magical wizard and I need your sandwich for my magic spells, I'm DEFINITELY not taking it because I'm hungry."
Madvocate: "you're telling me this wizard needs this specific sandwich for his spells? Even though he's casted these spells before without this sandwich? Wow, bad writing."
I'm going to be honest, I thought the Abomination fight was just a funny gag where Wong was fighting him to earn money on the side and showing what happened to a forgotten villian. Making it a plot in She Hulk kinda ruins it for me.
As much as I agree with all your reasoning but I'm pretty sure no sorcerer cares about what countries think or want, they literally exist as a higher power dealing with actual threats and not stupid politics. Sure the government could list Wong as a fugitive but they have no real way to stop him or contain him unless for help from other heroes.
I have recently begun writing a script defending Alien from a very bad review.
My script so far has over 7000 words and I’m only half way through the video.
I tip my hat to the old guard. Absolute chads.
9:36 hahahahaha
Edit: I like your mask. It reminds me of Toa Tahu Mata.
Lol. Typical "You can't criticize this show/movie! It's not supposed to be serious!"
The second I can't criticize something is the second I no longer have any respect for it.
Criticism and critique is how you get better. If you're shit at drawing, but everyone else keeps saying "No! No. You're drawing is perfect don't let anyone tell you otherwise. Never change!", you're gonna STAY shit at drawing.
And if you can’t criticize it, then it’s not a show worthy of, nor deserves praise or accolades. Because it doesn’t take itself seriously to where it _could_ hold up to scrutiny.
The next time a sorcerer gives the macguffin to the bad guys, I'm joining Mordo
11:40 - 11:50 This made me laugh harder than the entirety of the series