Gonna make a comment here to clarify some things I keep getting comments about so read it before writing your comment: 1. "Snapping twice would lead to 25% of life being left" "Snapping could eliminate all life" My point about snapping twice was merely covering my bases. The only confirmation of the stones' power we get is that they can eliminate AT LEAST half of life in the universe, so if there's some hard power cap to the amount of people a single snap can kill, snapping a second time would have enough power to clear out the rest. Snapping once probably would get the job done but just covering my bases in case someone brings up that we don't have any explicit confirmation of that 2. "The explosion wasn't universe wide" I should have explained this better in my video, but Ultron being alone because he killed all life is very clearly right after that explosion, thus that explosion killed all life in the universe (don't try to tell me those 5 planets were all that were left because there's no way he got the universe down to 5 planets before Captain Marvel heard about this and showed up). If you pay attention to the details (e.g. he doesn't have the sword when floating alone in space because CM knocked it out of his hand) it is clear that all life being killed is immediately after the explosion 3. "The infinity stones don't work outside their own timeline/universe" "Loki shows this" That is a comic rule that the MCU isn't required to follow, Endgame shows that they work across timelines, which is what Ultron is using them across. The reason the stones don't work in the TVA is because of the "no magic" rule (which I find kinda dumb but whatever)
3. Y'know the infinity stones not working inside the tva really doesnt make any sense seeing as the infinity stones are a law of the universe and not magic. Thats like iron man's suit not working withing tva bcuz shooting lasers is somehow considered magic when its simply science, a law of the universe like physics.
This show is like if they took any MCU fanfiction they could find, sifted out any good ones, and then somehow made the writing worse. Honestly a pretty great feat all things considered.
the infinity stones giving cosmic awareness of the universe is something that's only in the comics and never established in the mcu so i can only assume the writers just looked up the cliff notes of the events of the movies and found a wiki describing the comic infinity gauntlet and assumed that worked the same in the movies (it would explain why none of the timelines match the movie events)
This is made even wrose as part of the infinity stone comic lore is that they do not work outside their universe of origen, and the whole plot revolves around him being a treat to the multiverse because he hs the stones. So they clearly just cherry picked comic lore to give them the plot they wanted while ignoring lore that got in the way on top of ignoring the mcu lore
@no.1spidey-fan182 iirc, the only reference to the next avengers was in a 1-page cold-open where they said they go mad with unchecked power and destroy the world. I believe it was implied they died to the Marvel zombie virus, and then their universe ceased to exist
Ultrons line about a divine force throwing a stone at the world if it gets too settled makes me want to believe they always had plans for Thanos and the Celestials before things went sideways.
I agree… a lot of this episode made no sense. The fact that they showed Thanos with five stones dying to Ultron in Vision’s body (he had one stone). It made absolutely no sense. Great analysis
But it is 100% accurate... If you compare all the feats, the Mind Stone is easily strong enough to kill Thanos (not even close) and the Infinity Stones do not increase their wielders durability. Ultron is a super fast thinking ai with the desire to kill everything. So why would he hold back. Yes, "What if...?" has a lot of lazy writing... but that is actually the most logical outcome of this situation. And Ultron is a very logical thinker.
@@philippaufschnaiter7995Exactly what feats did Visions mind stone laser before what if have that would put it on the level of perception blitzing and one shotting Thanos? And how does that excuse Thanos inexplicably losing all of his intelligence and walking out to an infinity stone user completely off guard and with seemingly no plan of attack?
@@johangodojolo8652 1. When What if and the multiverse saga were announced, Kevin Feige stated, that everything is canon to the MCU continuity. With that in mind, we have a feat where Ultron in Visions body destroyed caps shield... literally in the same episode. Also, we know that Vision did most of the work when melting Ultrons Vibranium Body in AoU. (Thor and Iron Man with combined forces and giving it their all were not able to do anything tho Sokovias Vibranium core. But when Vision helped, and the two of them using way weaker attacks than in the other scene, they melted Ultron within seconds). Thanos' sword took multiple hits to destroy Caps shield with only cutting a couple of centimeters per hit. But in MoM we see Thanos killed by his own Sword. He is completely impaled by it. And the Sword had to travel through more of Thanos' tissue than it had to through caps shield. (Thanos' chest is way thicker than caps shield) So Mind Stone beam > Vibranium > Thanos And before you say something like "Thanos destroyed Vibranium"... If I use a hammer, I can also smash a rock, even though it is more durable than me. And the feat of Thanos crushing Visions head is also not viable because Vision literally had a surgery in order to remove the stone from his forehead of which we don't know how close it was to being finished. 2. Thanos is a talker... in infinity war he approached people of whom he knew they had an infinity stone (Loki, Doctor Strange and literally Vision... surrounded by other Avengers (and yes an attack this quick yould have hit him in those situations too... He literally got hit by Groots roots approaching him in slow motion) ... also with his guard down... and in 2 out of those cases, he had less stones than in the scene in what if (so he should have been even more cautious in those situations).
@@vikramamarnathgarg5237Actually, the Loki show establishes that the TVA has special protection against all kibds of magic, which ends up including the Infinity Stones as well.
that's a possibility, but if that were the case AND having the stones on actively harmed him, would he not cut his hand off to save himself from being wasted away by the stones?
25:23 “Its insane that having the Infinity Stones means he can just do this but ok.” Thats because that’s not how Infinity Stones work. Infinity Stones don’t work outside their native universe. DC and Marvel had the Amalgam comics back then and Darkseid tried using Thanos’ Infinity Gauntlet, but he was in a different universe so it didn’t work. A lot of people debate if Amalgam is canon, but considering there are a few canon comics that talk about it, and the rules it established for the Stones have never been denied or retconned, most people take the rule as law. Which makes sense if you think about it. Every batch of Infinity Stones is also different for each universe (Ultimate Universe had 8 instead of 6), and Infinity Stones are basically the password for their respective universe. And your password isn’t going to work on some else’s computer. Inb4: “MCU doesn’t need to follow the laws of the comics”. They are *sort of* free to change how characters act but the central rules should always stay the same. Example: The MCU existed in the comics labeled as universe 199999, the main comic universe is 616. But the MCU is trying to take the 616 title because Feige thinks he’s above the comics.
Also, in the show Loki they show that even the mcu follows this. The tva had a bunch of them in a drawer from different universes that were pruned. They used them as paperweights 😊
A good point, and one they specifically address in the first episode of Loki. The TVA collect infinity stones like they're pokemon cards and use them as paperweights. At the very least, the stones shouldn't work in the Watcher's zone between timelines, because they don't work in the TVA, a place between timelines.
The mcu existing in comics makes absolutely zero sense whatsoever. The living tribunal along with almost every single abstract entity would've interfered with the plot like 60 times
From what I understand is that the writers explain that while he can't do anything to a different universe directly with the stones, he can effect himself with them to make himself more powerful. It's been a minute since I read where it said that but it kinda helps explain some of his powers but not all of them
I could maybe buy the idea of Ultron getting to a higher level of perception but only if the universe was completly void of consciousness. But awesome analysis on the episode.
@@gamerboiiiiiiiI mean a complete void of consciousness. Clint and Natasha were still alive. I meant void so that the soul stone could give Ultron a perception bound to the universe. How would that work? I have no idea.
The way I would have had Ultron use the Stones, was that as a non-organic being, would have not been capable of wielding the stones properly, so reverts to using them as a power supply instead. He could also have time to study the stones and reverse-engineer his own set of synthetic stones which he can actually wield, which work in a similar way to the real ones, but are much weaker, which can be used to explain away some of his shortcomings with the stones' powers.
to be fair she wouldn't be using it at all after the earth got nuked so it would still have battery from before that. but that just begs the question if she has no reason to have a phone... why carry it around?
With how many portable power banks exist in the world and how little she would likely use her phone, I feel like it would make sense that she would be able to keep it charged pretty easily if she just finds a power bank every once in a while
One thing I would also like to add is that Thanos had the time stone when Ultron Vision killed him, he could have easily used it to revive himself, similar to what strange did when he went up against Dormammu
God what ifs second and third season were unforgivably bad. Just god awful, especially that stupid howard the duck episode, i mean what the hell was that?
2 and 3 are bad but i would argue the first season is worse. the howard the duck episode was unironically the least bad episode of the show, it's not good but it has less problems than the rest and some payoffs that actually worked, it's just a very weird concept and i'm not sure why out of everything they went with that
I’ve said this many times, but I’ll say it here. Instead of being an MCU series, What If could’ve told What If scenarios on the Marvel Cartoons in general. Like for example, what if Marvel made a What If episode on the X-Men Animated Series, or a What If episode the 80s Spider-Man cartoon, or even a What If episode on Iron Man Armored Adventures, or an episode on Hulk and the Agents of SMASH… this probably would’ve made the What If series good, and it would’ve made everyone who were a fan of those shows watch the show, and it could’ve also introduced fans of the MCU to watch those Marvel cartoons, and see how the original shows went. Could’ve been a 1 & 1 done situation. It also could’ve helped the show, since one of the reasons the What If show is because it was tied to the MCU. So it had to follow up on the rules established in Loki and the Multiverse films rather then being it’s own distinct series. By removing its connection to the MCU, the What If series wouldn’t have been a serialized drama disguised as an anthology series. It would’ve been an anthology series.
3:03 I think she addressed him as Hawkeye as a joke to the point you were making earlier about it being a famous Russian location. Like a “duh you can’t tell?”
33:36 >Puggietaur conveniently forgets the last 10 minutes of the video where he went over how Ultron can transfer his consciousness from one bot to another. >seemingly cannot comprehend how the bots being able to transmit anything other than basic coordinates could possibly be of use
fair enough. I see that as entirely separate from transmitting data from sub-bots to the prime, because it's quite a specific case. But I guess if that functionality was sloppily implemented it could send over the Zola AI too
The funny thing is that Season 1 of Loki states the infinity stones are usless outside of both their home universe AND home timeline. This means Super Vision/Omega Ultron/Whatever the hell he's called would IMMEDIATELY cease to be super powerful as soon as he broke out of his own universe. Loki season 1 was out BEFORE What If season 1. So you can't use the argument of "we didn't know that."
The thing with multiverse is that it is a alternate universe inspired from MCU 616, these characters definitely aren't exactly as same as there MCU counterparts
I remember physically jumping out of my seat when i watched this episode LOL. The part where Ultron ears the watcher and breaks through the barrier is just pure stupidity... needless to say, good video!
To be fair with ultron, it's showed that after he killed all life he was left sort of depressed. It's possible that from the beginning he knew that would happen, so he made the robots weak inorder to make his conquest last longer.
3:08 this seems so wrong but its so specific that you know its true regardless how insane it sounds. I think she refers to Cap as Steve like 50 times by Endgame. Also some of these plotholes are valid but some are you making leaps and assumptions 4:36 i wouldnt be surprised if SHIELD has survival bunkers and im positive they would have intel on the location and access of real life apocalypse surving bunkers that leaders, the ultra rich, and oligarchs have. 5:24 he bleeds twice and he got impaled and decapitated by stormbreaker while i agree he should've put up a fight i do believe a hyper concentrated laser from the soul stone directly could do that to him especially because he doesn't have light speed reactions or he wouldn't have got hit by Thor and he doesnt have full invulnerability since Tony was able to wound him with a single blunt punch using terran tech. 17:06 power of the stones can eliminate all life Thanos simply wasn't aming for all life just half and once again we see a limit to his durability after snapping twice. 17:23 it was an explosion that only affected near by celestial bodies. Had it been a galactic or universal explosion they wouldve zoomed out and showed it as such. 19:21 they didnt write it in but a case could be made that an ultra powerful all knowing biomechanical AI powered by 6 infinity stones can analyze and comprehend the stones at a much deeper and greater level. 18:35 His original plan was orchestrated by a fully mechanical AI. In the new timeline he becomes organic and like organic beings tend to do his plans changed although as an organic being the new plan shouldnt be isolation but it also shouldnt be creating another version of humanity it would be something new and different entirely.
Fair points, however: me saying "if the stones can only eliminate half of all life then snap twice" was covering my bases. we technically don't have confirmation they have enough power to eliminate all life in one go, even if that would make sense the explosion was universal because immediately after it, Ultron says "it is finished." that explosion was the final thing that destroyed LITERALLY EVERYTHING and finished his task. it's kind of unclear so I should have specified but if you look you can see he doesn't have his sword because him being alone after having killed everything is immediately after that explosion, so that explosion killed the entire universe (but extremely conveniently avoided earth) I don't see how Ultron's plan would change so drastically because he got the vision body when the same consciousness is still there, but that's irrelevant anyway because they have him say "The elimination of all life" while in the metal ultron body at the start of the episode
I personally think that sezon one is the best out od all WHAT IF ... SO BE READY FOR THE SHIT IN SEZON 2 AND 3 (I wish we Got ghost rider in sezon 2 but Nope even tho him being in sezon 2 would make a lot of sense)
8:33 everything you say can be explained simply by, “this is ALSO a universe where the stones happened to be in other places and had different trials in order to get them
but the whole thing of "What If" is that there is ONE change and ONE change only. It's "What if Ultron Won" not "What if Ultron Won, AND the stones were in different places, AND Thanos got them years earlier AND Thanos also isn't cautious at all"
maybe she calls him hawkeye in a more sarcastic sense to mock him and to point out that he already should have seen the building and could have come up with it on his own.
And also i don't think The Watcher is omniscient and sees the future. It's more like he is reading a script that being written in real time and that's why he is surprised. Also things can happen time wise out of order for bigger suspence.
And also being a Super Soldier in Marvel doesn't make you have unattainable physical levels. Like for most yeah they are unrealistic but here we are talking about two people with very in depth physical training, And didn't you see how juiced up they are.
The writers were definitely having a laugh and did not try to make things fully consistent with the rest of the series. Its kind of like star wars visions but at least with visions it was accepted that the writers could establish their own canon. Here they pretend that it is a bit more consistent when its not.
To kinda explain why the watcher was describing what was about happen without realizing that it directly involved him might be because of cosmic awareness. Basically it's being half way to omnipotents. It lets people with it know a vague knowledge of stuff that's happening so sometimes they don't fully know what the information they are getting is about until it's happening. A good example of this is with one of the cap marvels, they had this ability and was taking missions based on the information he got, one day he got two different things pop up in his head. One was a planet wide genocide was taking place and another was just some random women was going to be beaten to death by her partner. He chose the planet but once the woman died he got the full image that apparently she was going to take that experience and use it to make the universe a better place but she died since he didn't save her. So he probably knew that that ultron was going to become aware of something but it was only until it was actually happening did he realize that he was that something.
Dang 😂 I was so outraged by Thanos getting one-shot with the laser, I never realized him having almost all the stones was practically impossible. Keep at it, boss 👍
@@puggietaur there are two kinds of marvel fans. those who just consume all the slop thrown their way, and people who genuinely can't bring themselves to enjoy literally anything. at least the slop eaters are happy.
That wasn’t a universe destroying explosion. It just destroyed a solar system. Also my best explanation for the sequence of events. I think The Watcher saw Infinity Ultron in Party Thor’s universe then him trying to see what caused this lead to him finding Infinity Ultron’s universe and his narration caused Infinity Ultron to enter Party Thor’s universe and a sequential loop is created. The episode’s writing was a mess but at least it was a fun watch.
I think the best example of lazy writing is this Black Widow and Hawkeye can somehow fight and survive against Ultron and his robots with the infinity stones but the entire rest of the universe cannot? He became aware of other universes because he killed everything, right, but two humans get away with being unnoticed? huh?
Its not that the snap is limited to half its that thanos choose to eliminate half he could eliminate all with one snap if he wanted it would only be a quarter if he choose to keep it half
i was just covering my bases power levels wise. technically speaking we only see they have enough power to kill half of all life in the universe, whatever that number is. they probably could kill everything, but even assuming that's a hard limit to how many people it can kill, snapping again would have enough power to eliminate the rest
The entire premise of Ultron is LAAAZY 1) Tony already programmed a whole-ass-human- one that is SO wonderful, the damaged, PTSD'd Wanda fell deeply in love with him, AND he's like the best of us- why would making "Jarvis 2: Earth Defense Force Boogaloo" be so vastly different? 2) for Tony to make his Earth Guardian by creating an AI with one directive: "protect the *human race* at all costs"- seems antithetical to Tony's "superhero-level genius" 3) an AI that's programmed to "protect the humans", which then goes on to attack humans
20:00 the whole point of this episode is to glaze the hell out of Ultron and show how OP he truly was, it was also later mentioned that Vision didnt have access to the full power of the mind stone. Doesn't mean I agree with the glaze, just pointing out what was said by the writers
I do believe Fiege did not watch these projects carefully or care anymore after Endgame. If he did, he would have hired the same writers who wrote the movies and made an alternate scenario
Hawkeye and black widow could be fighting to obtain the Infinity Stones so they could wield the time Stone and go back in time to before Tony even creates Ultron and put a stop to it being a possibility thereby saving the universe that could be what their goal is
maybe he did come to earth and get the time stone but ultron didn't see him, then he teleported over to ultron. very unlikely like i said in my video but not technically impossible
19:14 you purposely edited the scene to skip the part where the watcher explains that the silence of the dead universe is what caused ultron to become more conscious it has nothing to do with the stones I agreed with pretty much everything you said up until that point, it’s disingenuous asf making up things, the series has actual criticism you could have used but your choosing to make things up Also where are you getting that the explosion from captain marvels death destroyed the whole universe? It destroyed the neighbouring planets in the same galaxy it didn’t travel across to other galaxy’s Ngl bro your either reaching so bad for anything you can find to bash the series or your just not paying attention
the watcher doesn't explain that, the quote is "Basking in the boundless silence of his universe, Ultron ascended to a previously unattainable level of consciousness." There's no cause and effect laid out there, it's merely a description of where he is and then saying what happened. There is no "because" in that sentence, I guess you could say it's implied but I didn't read the line that way And the explosion did destroy the universe, because it leads right into the scene where he's done. All life was destroyed because of that explosion, if you pay attention to the details they are right after each other (He lacks the sword as he's floating on the rock saying "it is finished" because it takes place right after the xandar scene where the sword was knocked out of his hand)
@ true it’s I only implied but it’s kinda obvious that the watcher is explaining why ultron is evolving as it happens, imo it was like ultrons mind was silent enough to hear the watcher but it’s all opinion I suppose As for the explosion you may be right as it’s been a while since I watched it (when it released) so I could be wrong I just remember it wiping out the close planets but not necessarily every planet but like I said it’s been a while🤷🏼♂️ Sorry about the combativeness of my first response
Why didn't Ultron just cut Marvel in half just like he did with Thanos? She isn't all that much more durable then Thanos and Thanos had 5 stones when he got cut
16:40 to be fair information can only travel at light speed, so the 90 secs is probably a hard limit on how fast the information can travel from the bots to the main consciousness of ultron. i doubt the writers thought of this however given how stupid every other thing is in this goddamn show
I did like the one where yondu actually dropped off peter, purely because we get to see more celestial fight stuff, even if it was done in a less interesting way than gotg 2. I also liked the premise of a bunch of them but thought they were mishandled (I mean how do you drop the ball on Tony and the Grandmaster interacting???) I feel like this is true of a vast majority of What If, if the writing had been better it could have really been something special, but instead we get slop. Sorry for the rant
- its actually almost impressive how bad the writesr are when the whole concept of what if lets them basically pursue any out there idea they want and just have fun with it. They couldn't keep it fun though, they had to make it so lame.
why couldnt ultron just do a snap but for the whole universe and not just half? even if the snap only kills half, he should snap first then clean up the rest before they can recover from losing half their manpower
he wants to lead whatever is left of humanity, which by the end of the movie he concludes will be only him and his sub bots "the only thing living in this world will be metal"
@puggietaur right, but his original problem with the Avengers was that they were a crutch, not allowing humanity to evolve. Ultron just replacing everyone was one of two successful outcomes that were considered. The reason why Ultron failed is that the Avengers saved everyone preventing humanity from adapting to anything.
All im going to say is you would be surprised how unorganised storage archives can be. They are not really organised at all for majority of them. Government ones included
What confuses me is how Loki (and by extension Deadpool and Wolverine now) make the infinity stones (idiotically) about as useful as paper weights when you have 4th/5th dimensional power. Yet the watcher, being a REAL 4th/5th (whatever the hell he is) being can’t just instantly obliterate ultron despite the fact he needs the stones to even see or enter the higher dimension, and he somehow is that powerful in the higher dimension despite the fact that the stones have been said to be basically useless in the higher dimensions.
What if should've never been MCU based and just adapted the comics OR each season should been based on a Phase. So ONE ep from each movie. That way you can still to the teamup and have it make more sense Phase 1 would be: What if Iron Man BECAME the Mandarin or The Mandarin Knight. Maybe the OG Mandarin had the info about his parents but lies abit about it which initially turns him against the government and sheild. And then in the 2nd movie SHEILD tells him the REAL truth about his parents and he turns against the Mandarin. Maybe Black Widow is a double agent for the Red Room still What if Hulk became Doc Green? In that experiment that almost took his powers he merged his mind. But this time its a version of Smart hulk that's more like Reed Richards, thst being cold and aloof Peggy's ep can still work as is but don't put her in the ice. Maybe she ends up leading SHEILD cause the serum slows aging What if Thor was adopted or what if its a Superman situation where the frost giants took over Asgard and Thor was sent away as a baby. And Loki grows up with his Frost Giant parents. Hawkeye would be left unchanged since he barely does anything in this movie💀 What if Loki won in Avengers 1. Frost Giant Loki invades earth but wins this time due to being able to use asgard's resources That's how I would've done it at least. Cause these randomized episodes don't really make much sense. What exactly are they what ifs OF...cause a lot of them don't seem to be based on ANY of the ACTUAL mcu movies💀
Dont the stones stop working if they're outside of their native universe, so the moment ultron went to fight the watcher, he should've lost all the infinity stones power? Much less be able to fight him through universes. Like, wasn't that stated in the Loki show???
Was this episode before or after the first season of Loki? Didn’t the TVA use infinity stones as paperweights because they had no power outside of their original timeline/universe?
Individual fans will notice glaring plot holes clearly obvious to anyone paying close attention. And yet even with hundreds of people involved in these productions and everyone knowing how scrutinizing the fans can be can't point out something as clearly defined as splitting from the sacred timeline. Sucks even more when I'm phase 1 and 2 there wasn't an abundance of MCU critics and analysts and there are today. And they just don't seem to watch any knowledgeable UA-camrs on a path to carry on. Insane how fast they killed this franchise and I'm very curious to find out if a universal reboot is actual gonna help or hinder. I based Marvel's success on "my non comic reader/fan mother can enjoy and comprehend these films so they're successful" the moment my mom stopped asking when is the next marvel i knew it was over.
I will say, Ultron doing stuff Vision never did is probably a result of him not being Vision. Like his laser being stronger could probably be because Vision is too kind. Vision probably didn’t use the emp power because he either didn’t know about it or he didn’t wanna emp all of Sokovia. He probably would’ve accidentally hit Tony or worse shut down the rockets under Sokovia causing it to drop, also depending on when he’d do it there’s a chance Ultron escapes back to the internet. Also as far as he weaker drone bodies, that’s just a consistently bad part about almost all Ultron variants, it’s a nerf the plot gives him in almost every iteration. Also in age of Ultron he does the dumbest thing and destroys a prime body just to flex💀 Lastly, I think Ultron’s ascension to higher consciousness might be because he’s a machine, like an organic being like Thanos or Tony can’t handle an ascension like that (no Captain Carter and her miltiversal crew are not included in this). Thanos has the stones for a few weeks and used them twice to great strain, maybe the first snap left him to drained or weak to be able to have access to a higher consciousness.
5:36 I mean it IS an INFINITY Stone😂. He's only fought humans before with human reaction time and he was aware of what he was fighting. Thanos is a trained warrior so its able to shrug off human level attacks. He was also able to react before Wanda attacked Also Vision is a pacifist....Ultron isn't Vision💀. He's gonna use Visions powers in ways Vision wouldn't dare use them. If this show was R Rated I could see him going intangible to crush people's heart😭 There's a reason they NERFED Vision at the VERY START of Infinity War and Corvus had to SNEAK attack him to do it. He would DEMOLISH pretty much ALL of the Black Order without Corvus' weapon😂 I do agree with why the Black Order wasn't there and why he came 3 years earlier. I chalk that up to budget reasons and they only have 1 ep to tell a story🤔
I still don't why this show exists or why anyone likes it Marvel tier writing just decided that normal humans can survive things that can knockout superman. It gets tiring how characters are just immune to damage. So when someone unalives you are like "but there was like 100 ways this could have been avoided or prevented" and they are often brought back anyway. It feels like for so many years now no story involving the Marvel characters has been decent. These spin offs are all bad. These cartoon series are all bad and the movies are all bad.
that's not entirely true, X-Men 97 was really good, that's the only one though. if you haven't seen it you should watch, legitimately good writing there
I've been reading and collecting comics for nearly 40 years. What If? are my favorite, i have a MASSIVE collection of them and still hunt them down. What they did to them is awful, i just can't watch this trash. There's so, so, so very many amazing What If? issues out there that would make banger episodes and this is what they give?
lowkey the beginning part is fine as both characters take similar hits in the actual age of ultron movie. i literally watched it yesterday and im pretty sure natasha got flung like way further in the movie. hawkeye def is taking to much damage but i swear in the movie they purposely hurt him like every 5 secs for plot
i already made it, won't be going as in depth because season 1 is the worst, 1 video per episode on that was warranted but for the other seasons i don't care enough
My friend. I had to stop watching at 5 minutes because of how stupid this show is. I will come back and finish it to give you a view but man I can’t stand this crap
I think when vision Ultron meant other worlds, I think he meant other realities Essentially, he became a watcher It is still stupid. He wouldn’t have figured that out on his own though.
Let me tell you something - read some comic what-ifs then look at these what-ifs --- you will 100% throw up from how horrible they are compared to comics. Then even if you tell yourself it's the MCU they still go way too far and don't do characters right. I just don't get why ppl get excited for this. It's like getting an animated series of Avengers from wish.
I think there is potential in this concept have ultron fuse with visions consciousness this being a universe where vision sides with ultron then have the two of them chase perfection trying to make a perfect society the two of them would then start to seek the infinity stones as to further there plan in the chase of perfection they exterminate all life in the universe gathering infinity stones then at the final stone the mind stone have ultron sacrifice visions consciousness for his goal of perfection then there could be a time skip where ultron is the only one left in the universe with his robots imitating peaceful life unfulfilled ultron chases power believing that he is not strong enough to achieve his goal he then could obtain so much power that he can see the watcher then discovering the other multiverses could sper ultron to look for the perfect life form it’s not perfect but if at the very least wouldn’t completely assassinate his character
I was fairly critically undiscerning when this show’s first season dropped, so I gave all of its episodes a pass. This episode and the next one were the ones that pulled me out. They were that nakedly bad. I’ve been waiting for you to tear them a new one.
Gonna make a comment here to clarify some things I keep getting comments about so read it before writing your comment:
1. "Snapping twice would lead to 25% of life being left" "Snapping could eliminate all life" My point about snapping twice was merely covering my bases. The only confirmation of the stones' power we get is that they can eliminate AT LEAST half of life in the universe, so if there's some hard power cap to the amount of people a single snap can kill, snapping a second time would have enough power to clear out the rest. Snapping once probably would get the job done but just covering my bases in case someone brings up that we don't have any explicit confirmation of that
2. "The explosion wasn't universe wide" I should have explained this better in my video, but Ultron being alone because he killed all life is very clearly right after that explosion, thus that explosion killed all life in the universe (don't try to tell me those 5 planets were all that were left because there's no way he got the universe down to 5 planets before Captain Marvel heard about this and showed up). If you pay attention to the details (e.g. he doesn't have the sword when floating alone in space because CM knocked it out of his hand) it is clear that all life being killed is immediately after the explosion
3. "The infinity stones don't work outside their own timeline/universe" "Loki shows this" That is a comic rule that the MCU isn't required to follow, Endgame shows that they work across timelines, which is what Ultron is using them across. The reason the stones don't work in the TVA is because of the "no magic" rule (which I find kinda dumb but whatever)
Don't worry about it, it doesn't matter.
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Y'know the infinity stones not working inside the tva really doesnt make any sense seeing as the infinity stones are a law of the universe and not magic. Thats like iron man's suit not working withing tva bcuz shooting lasers is somehow considered magic when its simply science, a law of the universe like physics.
This show is like if they took any MCU fanfiction they could find, sifted out any good ones, and then somehow made the writing worse. Honestly a pretty great feat all things considered.
Should be in the hall of fame for biggest fumble ever.
the infinity stones giving cosmic awareness of the universe is something that's only in the comics and never established in the mcu so i can only assume the writers just looked up the cliff notes of the events of the movies and found a wiki describing the comic infinity gauntlet and assumed that worked the same in the movies (it would explain why none of the timelines match the movie events)
Yep lazy and unimaginative “writing.”
This is made even wrose as part of the infinity stone comic lore is that they do not work outside their universe of origen, and the whole plot revolves around him being a treat to the multiverse because he hs the stones. So they clearly just cherry picked comic lore to give them the plot they wanted while ignoring lore that got in the way on top of ignoring the mcu lore
@@lesvernornvienas8232It’s established in the MCU that stones don’t work outside their original reality too in Loki
Thanos had no self preservation because he was only there to deliver the stones.
"What is my purpose?"
"You die and deliver the stones to Ultron"
"Oh my gosh..."
What’s funny is this what if was done better years ago in that old animated kid avengers movie
The Next Avengers. That movie was AMAZING. It's sad Marvel NEVER did anything meaniniful with it after😔
@@ultraironicman1853 Respect for Marvel Animation! 🥳
@no.1spidey-fan182 iirc, the only reference to the next avengers was in a 1-page cold-open where they said they go mad with unchecked power and destroy the world. I believe it was implied they died to the Marvel zombie virus, and then their universe ceased to exist
Or The Super Hero Squad Show which was the last good Marvel show to be honest
@Goremize Love for The Super Hero Squad Show!
Ultrons line about a divine force throwing a stone at the world if it gets too settled makes me want to believe they always had plans for Thanos and the Celestials before things went sideways.
This is the kind of analysis that the editors ought to be making the writers listen to before a script is approved.
I agree… a lot of this episode made no sense. The fact that they showed Thanos with five stones dying to Ultron in Vision’s body (he had one stone). It made absolutely no sense. Great analysis
Ultron one shotting Thanos with 5 stones has become the most iconic moment of lazy writing ever at this point.
But it is 100% accurate... If you compare all the feats, the Mind Stone is easily strong enough to kill Thanos (not even close) and the Infinity Stones do not increase their wielders durability. Ultron is a super fast thinking ai with the desire to kill everything. So why would he hold back.
Yes, "What if...?" has a lot of lazy writing... but that is actually the most logical outcome of this situation. And Ultron is a very logical thinker.
@@philippaufschnaiter7995Exactly what feats did Visions mind stone laser before what if have that would put it on the level of perception blitzing and one shotting Thanos? And how does that excuse Thanos inexplicably losing all of his intelligence and walking out to an infinity stone user completely off guard and with seemingly no plan of attack?
@@philippaufschnaiter7995nah you’re wrong Disney drone
@@johangodojolo8652 1. When What if and the multiverse saga were announced, Kevin Feige stated, that everything is canon to the MCU continuity. With that in mind, we have a feat where Ultron in Visions body destroyed caps shield... literally in the same episode. Also, we know that Vision did most of the work when melting Ultrons Vibranium Body in AoU. (Thor and Iron Man with combined forces and giving it their all were not able to do anything tho Sokovias Vibranium core. But when Vision helped, and the two of them using way weaker attacks than in the other scene, they melted Ultron within seconds).
Thanos' sword took multiple hits to destroy Caps shield with only cutting a couple of centimeters per hit. But in MoM we see Thanos killed by his own Sword. He is completely impaled by it. And the Sword had to travel through more of Thanos' tissue than it had to through caps shield. (Thanos' chest is way thicker than caps shield)
So Mind Stone beam > Vibranium > Thanos
And before you say something like "Thanos destroyed Vibranium"... If I use a hammer, I can also smash a rock, even though it is more durable than me.
And the feat of Thanos crushing Visions head is also not viable because Vision literally had a surgery in order to remove the stone from his forehead of which we don't know how close it was to being finished.
2. Thanos is a talker... in infinity war he approached people of whom he knew they had an infinity stone (Loki, Doctor Strange and literally Vision... surrounded by other Avengers (and yes an attack this quick yould have hit him in those situations too... He literally got hit by Groots roots approaching him in slow motion) ... also with his guard down... and in 2 out of those cases, he had less stones than in the scene in what if (so he should have been even more cautious in those situations).
@@MikeHawk-00 I am not protecting Disney... I am just saying the lazy writing was in Infinity War... not in this scene
The stones/gems have rules to them one of those rules being THEY DON'T WORK OUTSIDE THEIR NATIVE UNIVERSE.
That applies to the comics, not the MCU.
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It does in Loki tv series with the TVA..a bunch of stones just lying around
@@vikramamarnathgarg5237I think that was just a joke
@@vikramamarnathgarg5237Actually, the Loki show establishes that the TVA has special protection against all kibds of magic, which ends up including the Infinity Stones as well.
The amount of potholes in this one episode reminds me of the later seasons of CW flash
This is worse because they have so much more budget while the cw was made with 50 bucks
19:54 I thought the implication was that the gauntlet had been fused to Thanos’ body after his first or second snap
that's a possibility, but if that were the case AND having the stones on actively harmed him, would he not cut his hand off to save himself from being wasted away by the stones?
@@puggietaur yeah especially if he considered his work done after destroying them
@@puggietaur I guessed that The metal melted to him after his first snap.
25:23 “Its insane that having the Infinity Stones means he can just do this but ok.”
Thats because that’s not how Infinity Stones work. Infinity Stones don’t work outside their native universe. DC and Marvel had the Amalgam comics back then and Darkseid tried using Thanos’ Infinity Gauntlet, but he was in a different universe so it didn’t work. A lot of people debate if Amalgam is canon, but considering there are a few canon comics that talk about it, and the rules it established for the Stones have never been denied or retconned, most people take the rule as law. Which makes sense if you think about it. Every batch of Infinity Stones is also different for each universe (Ultimate Universe had 8 instead of 6), and Infinity Stones are basically the password for their respective universe. And your password isn’t going to work on some else’s computer.
Inb4: “MCU doesn’t need to follow the laws of the comics”. They are *sort of* free to change how characters act but the central rules should always stay the same. Example: The MCU existed in the comics labeled as universe 199999, the main comic universe is 616. But the MCU is trying to take the 616 title because Feige thinks he’s above the comics.
Also, in the show Loki they show that even the mcu follows this. The tva had a bunch of them in a drawer from different universes that were pruned. They used them as paperweights 😊
A good point, and one they specifically address in the first episode of Loki. The TVA collect infinity stones like they're pokemon cards and use them as paperweights. At the very least, the stones shouldn't work in the Watcher's zone between timelines, because they don't work in the TVA, a place between timelines.
The mcu existing in comics makes absolutely zero sense whatsoever.
The living tribunal along with almost every single abstract entity would've interfered with the plot like 60 times
From what I understand is that the writers explain that while he can't do anything to a different universe directly with the stones, he can effect himself with them to make himself more powerful. It's been a minute since I read where it said that but it kinda helps explain some of his powers but not all of them
Infinity stones do work across timelines, we see this in endgame. Comic continuity is irrelevant to the MCU
I could maybe buy the idea of Ultron getting to a higher level of perception but only if the universe was completly void of consciousness. But awesome analysis on the episode.
Isnt .. that exactly what he did :p
@@gamerboiiiiiiiI mean a complete void of consciousness. Clint and Natasha were still alive. I meant void so that the soul stone could give Ultron a perception bound to the universe. How would that work? I have no idea.
12:41 by this timestamp in the video, I completely realized how different the two depictions of Ultron in the MCU are
Holy crap it legit took me the entire vid to realize that this is a channel with 900 subs. Awesome video man u deserve way more attention!
had 800 yesterday.... we poppin off
Its like the writers knew nothing about Marvel and is just using Marvel to write their putrid shitty stories in a coat of Marvel's characters
The way I would have had Ultron use the Stones, was that as a non-organic being, would have not been capable of wielding the stones properly, so reverts to using them as a power supply instead. He could also have time to study the stones and reverse-engineer his own set of synthetic stones which he can actually wield, which work in a similar way to the real ones, but are much weaker, which can be used to explain away some of his shortcomings with the stones' powers.
another thing to add how does nat have power on her phone? i guess you could say the quinnjet but like you say in the video that is beyond a stretch
to be fair she wouldn't be using it at all after the earth got nuked so it would still have battery from before that. but that just begs the question if she has no reason to have a phone... why carry it around?
With how many portable power banks exist in the world and how little she would likely use her phone, I feel like it would make sense that she would be able to keep it charged pretty easily if she just finds a power bank every once in a while
"Visions Beam is way wider than this" he said a second after showing a scene where vision changes the width of his beam 🤦🏼♂️
that's not true, his beam is a consistent width in that clip as it is the other times he shows up in the MCU
One thing I would also like to add is that Thanos had the time stone when Ultron Vision killed him, he could have easily used it to revive himself, similar to what strange did when he went up against Dormammu
While Ultron Vision splitting Thanos was lazy, I felt like it was tactically the correct move.
tactically on the writers' part? i guess it achieved their goal really quickly but it just doesn't make sense
@@puggietaur It doesn't make sense that he wasn't having a forcefield around himself but the fact that he could be split isn't something farfetched.
God what ifs second and third season were unforgivably bad. Just god awful, especially that stupid howard the duck episode, i mean what the hell was that?
2 and 3 are bad but i would argue the first season is worse. the howard the duck episode was unironically the least bad episode of the show, it's not good but it has less problems than the rest and some payoffs that actually worked, it's just a very weird concept and i'm not sure why out of everything they went with that
I’ve said this many times, but I’ll say it here. Instead of being an MCU series, What If could’ve told What If scenarios on the Marvel Cartoons in general. Like for example, what if Marvel made a What If episode on the X-Men Animated Series, or a What If episode the 80s Spider-Man cartoon, or even a What If episode on Iron Man Armored Adventures, or an episode on Hulk and the Agents of SMASH… this probably would’ve made the What If series good, and it would’ve made everyone who were a fan of those shows watch the show, and it could’ve also introduced fans of the MCU to watch those Marvel cartoons, and see how the original shows went.
Could’ve been a 1 & 1 done situation. It also could’ve helped the show, since one of the reasons the What If show is because it was tied to the MCU. So it had to follow up on the rules established in Loki and the Multiverse films rather then being it’s own distinct series. By removing its connection to the MCU, the What If series wouldn’t have been a serialized drama disguised as an anthology series. It would’ve been an anthology series.
3:03 I think she addressed him as Hawkeye as a joke to the point you were making earlier about it being a famous Russian location. Like a “duh you can’t tell?”
that is a fair read. i still think it's a bit awkward but i could see it
33:36
>Puggietaur conveniently forgets the last 10 minutes of the video where he went over how Ultron can transfer his consciousness from one bot to another.
>seemingly cannot comprehend how the bots being able to transmit anything other than basic coordinates could possibly be of use
fair enough. I see that as entirely separate from transmitting data from sub-bots to the prime, because it's quite a specific case. But I guess if that functionality was sloppily implemented it could send over the Zola AI too
The funny thing is that Season 1 of Loki states the infinity stones are usless outside of both their home universe AND home timeline. This means Super Vision/Omega Ultron/Whatever the hell he's called would IMMEDIATELY cease to be super powerful as soon as he broke out of his own universe. Loki season 1 was out BEFORE What If season 1. So you can't use the argument of "we didn't know that."
Loki only established that they don't work within the TVA, which is because of the "No magic" rule. Endgame shows that they DO work across timelines
One of the first time infinity stones are used is Strange using it to time loop the Dark Dimension, this was never a rule in mcu.
I chalk that to be TVA exclusive as it is outside of time and space. As in, in no universe.
The thing with multiverse is that it is a alternate universe inspired from MCU 616, these characters definitely aren't exactly as same as there MCU counterparts
8:41 in theory (very unlikely), he could have sacraficed nebula, but idk im probably wrong...
29:15
I remember physically jumping out of my seat when i watched this episode LOL. The part where Ultron ears the watcher and breaks through the barrier is just pure stupidity... needless to say, good video!
To be fair with ultron, it's showed that after he killed all life he was left sort of depressed. It's possible that from the beginning he knew that would happen, so he made the robots weak inorder to make his conquest last longer.
why did he choose to blow up the entire universe then? that sped things up immensely and immediately led into the scene where he has finished his goal
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Disney Marvel is so bloody frustrating
3:08 this seems so wrong but its so specific that you know its true regardless how insane it sounds. I think she refers to Cap as Steve like 50 times by Endgame.
Also some of these plotholes are valid but some are you making leaps and assumptions
4:36 i wouldnt be surprised if SHIELD has survival bunkers and im positive they would have intel on the location and access of real life apocalypse surving bunkers that leaders, the ultra rich, and oligarchs have.
5:24 he bleeds twice and he got impaled and decapitated by stormbreaker while i agree he should've put up a fight i do believe a hyper concentrated laser from the soul stone directly could do that to him especially because he doesn't have light speed reactions or he wouldn't have got hit by Thor and he doesnt have full invulnerability since Tony was able to wound him with a single blunt punch using terran tech.
17:06 power of the stones can eliminate all life Thanos simply wasn't aming for all life just half and once again we see a limit to his durability after snapping twice.
17:23 it was an explosion that only affected near by celestial bodies. Had it been a galactic or universal explosion they wouldve zoomed out and showed it as such.
19:21 they didnt write it in but a case could be made that an ultra powerful all knowing biomechanical AI powered by 6 infinity stones can analyze and comprehend the stones at a much deeper and greater level.
18:35 His original plan was orchestrated by a fully mechanical AI. In the new timeline he becomes organic and like organic beings tend to do his plans changed although as an organic being the new plan shouldnt be isolation but it also shouldnt be creating another version of humanity it would be something new and different entirely.
Fair points, however:
me saying "if the stones can only eliminate half of all life then snap twice" was covering my bases. we technically don't have confirmation they have enough power to eliminate all life in one go, even if that would make sense
the explosion was universal because immediately after it, Ultron says "it is finished." that explosion was the final thing that destroyed LITERALLY EVERYTHING and finished his task. it's kind of unclear so I should have specified but if you look you can see he doesn't have his sword because him being alone after having killed everything is immediately after that explosion, so that explosion killed the entire universe (but extremely conveniently avoided earth)
I don't see how Ultron's plan would change so drastically because he got the vision body when the same consciousness is still there, but that's irrelevant anyway because they have him say "The elimination of all life" while in the metal ultron body at the start of the episode
Mind stone not soul stone. All i have to say.
I agree.
@@puggietaur In my personal opinion it would be a percentage wipe instead of flat number wipe.
I personally think that sezon one is the best out od all WHAT IF ... SO BE READY FOR THE SHIT IN SEZON 2 AND 3
(I wish we Got ghost rider in sezon 2 but Nope even tho him being in sezon 2 would make a lot of sense)
i think season 1 is the worst. i already made vids on 2 and 3, not going episode by episode for those
8:33 everything you say can be explained simply by, “this is ALSO a universe where the stones happened to be in other places and had different trials in order to get them
but the whole thing of "What If" is that there is ONE change and ONE change only. It's "What if Ultron Won" not "What if Ultron Won, AND the stones were in different places, AND Thanos got them years earlier AND Thanos also isn't cautious at all"
Vision killing Thanos in a second was the dumbest thing ever
Now you know how Halo fans felt watching the Halo show
maybe she calls him hawkeye in a more sarcastic sense to mock him and to point out that he already should have seen the building and could have come up with it on his own.
Oh yea that makes sense
that's a possibility, i still think it's awkward usage though
I will just say this, Ultron is an Artificial Inteligence whose limits of mind are not the same as for living beings.
And also i don't think The Watcher is omniscient and sees the future. It's more like he is reading a script that being written in real time and that's why he is surprised. Also things can happen time wise out of order for bigger suspence.
And also being a Super Soldier in Marvel doesn't make you have unattainable physical levels. Like for most yeah they are unrealistic but here we are talking about two people with very in depth physical training, And didn't you see how juiced up they are.
Domt forget the needless addition of Captain Carter that happens in every episode.
16:41 why doesn't one of the robots run away for 90 seconds? They make it so much easier by chasing everyone.
The writers were definitely having a laugh and did not try to make things fully consistent with the rest of the series. Its kind of like star wars visions but at least with visions it was accepted that the writers could establish their own canon. Here they pretend that it is a bit more consistent when its not.
the rest of the series isn't consistent either 😆
To kinda explain why the watcher was describing what was about happen without realizing that it directly involved him might be because of cosmic awareness. Basically it's being half way to omnipotents. It lets people with it know a vague knowledge of stuff that's happening so sometimes they don't fully know what the information they are getting is about until it's happening. A good example of this is with one of the cap marvels, they had this ability and was taking missions based on the information he got, one day he got two different things pop up in his head. One was a planet wide genocide was taking place and another was just some random women was going to be beaten to death by her partner. He chose the planet but once the woman died he got the full image that apparently she was going to take that experience and use it to make the universe a better place but she died since he didn't save her. So he probably knew that that ultron was going to become aware of something but it was only until it was actually happening did he realize that he was that something.
Fair enough explanation, but I think the episode should make it clearer if that's the case.
@@puggietaur So you want exposition
tbh i think its mad funny that Black Widow doesnt tell Hawkeye ANYTHING.
Leading him around like a dog is just disrespectful.
Honestly, a series of eps showing Ultron getting the stones might have been more interesting as we then see his mind evolve through experience.
Dang 😂 I was so outraged by Thanos getting one-shot with the laser, I never realized him having almost all the stones was practically impossible. Keep at it, boss 👍
im like 2 minutes in and already the nitpicking is INSANE. literally average marvel fan lmao
the average marvel fan is uncritical. plenty of people like this show and loki
@@puggietaur there are two kinds of marvel fans. those who just consume all the slop thrown their way, and people who genuinely can't bring themselves to enjoy literally anything. at least the slop eaters are happy.
i enjoy plenty of stuff. X-Men 97 is one of my favorite shows ever. I just don't enjoy slop because it could have been much better
@puggietaur yeah that show from what I've seen is pretty good :).
That wasn’t a universe destroying explosion. It just destroyed a solar system. Also my best explanation for the sequence of events. I think The Watcher saw Infinity Ultron in Party Thor’s universe then him trying to see what caused this lead to him finding Infinity Ultron’s universe and his narration caused Infinity Ultron to enter Party Thor’s universe and a sequential loop is created. The episode’s writing was a mess but at least it was a fun watch.
I think the best example of lazy writing is this
Black Widow and Hawkeye can somehow fight and survive against Ultron and his robots with the infinity stones but
the entire rest of the universe cannot?
He became aware of other universes because he killed everything, right, but two humans get away with being unnoticed?
huh?
Vision did block Ultron from escaping via the internet at the end, I think.
You cant snap twice to kill all of life, because if theres only the second half, wiping out half of it again leaves a fourth of the original amount
Its not that the snap is limited to half its that thanos choose to eliminate half he could eliminate all with one snap if he wanted it would only be a quarter if he choose to keep it half
This is the only reason Clint and Natasha are alive. LoL
He snapped half over and over until there were just the two. Haha.
@@stardust4374 yeah people really seem to forget what the word INFINITY means
i was just covering my bases power levels wise. technically speaking we only see they have enough power to kill half of all life in the universe, whatever that number is. they probably could kill everything, but even assuming that's a hard limit to how many people it can kill, snapping again would have enough power to eliminate the rest
9:25 it could be because he’s using the time stone, and space stone? but that a stretch
The entire premise of Ultron is LAAAZY
1) Tony already programmed a whole-ass-human- one that is SO wonderful, the damaged, PTSD'd Wanda fell deeply in love with him, AND he's like the best of us- why would making "Jarvis 2: Earth Defense Force Boogaloo" be so vastly different?
2) for Tony to make his Earth Guardian by creating an AI with one directive: "protect the *human race* at all costs"- seems antithetical to Tony's "superhero-level genius"
3) an AI that's programmed to "protect the humans", which then goes on to attack humans
20:00 the whole point of this episode is to glaze the hell out of Ultron and show how OP he truly was, it was also later mentioned that Vision didnt have access to the full power of the mind stone.
Doesn't mean I agree with the glaze, just pointing out what was said by the writers
I do believe Fiege did not watch these projects carefully or care anymore after Endgame. If he did, he would have hired the same writers who wrote the movies and made an alternate scenario
Hawkeye and black widow could be fighting to obtain the Infinity Stones so they could wield the time Stone and go back in time to before Tony even creates Ultron and put a stop to it being a possibility thereby saving the universe that could be what their goal is
the time stone shouldn't be able to time travel but episode 4 of this show already breaks that
@@puggietaur It can create a time loop with a god, i do think reversing one person in a timeline wouldn't be that hard.
How did thanos get the time stone without coming to earth beforehand how does this version of ultron not know him ☠️
maybe he did come to earth and get the time stone but ultron didn't see him, then he teleported over to ultron. very unlikely like i said in my video but not technically impossible
19:14 you purposely edited the scene to skip the part where the watcher explains that the silence of the dead universe is what caused ultron to become more conscious it has nothing to do with the stones
I agreed with pretty much everything you said up until that point, it’s disingenuous asf making up things, the series has actual criticism you could have used but your choosing to make things up
Also where are you getting that the explosion from captain marvels death destroyed the whole universe? It destroyed the neighbouring planets in the same galaxy it didn’t travel across to other galaxy’s
Ngl bro your either reaching so bad for anything you can find to bash the series or your just not paying attention
the watcher doesn't explain that, the quote is "Basking in the boundless silence of his universe, Ultron ascended to a previously unattainable level of consciousness." There's no cause and effect laid out there, it's merely a description of where he is and then saying what happened. There is no "because" in that sentence, I guess you could say it's implied but I didn't read the line that way
And the explosion did destroy the universe, because it leads right into the scene where he's done. All life was destroyed because of that explosion, if you pay attention to the details they are right after each other (He lacks the sword as he's floating on the rock saying "it is finished" because it takes place right after the xandar scene where the sword was knocked out of his hand)
@ true it’s I only implied but it’s kinda obvious that the watcher is explaining why ultron is evolving as it happens, imo it was like ultrons mind was silent enough to hear the watcher but it’s all opinion I suppose
As for the explosion you may be right as it’s been a while since I watched it (when it released) so I could be wrong I just remember it wiping out the close planets but not necessarily every planet but like I said it’s been a while🤷🏼♂️
Sorry about the combativeness of my first response
How does this guy not have more subs ????
Why didn't Ultron just cut Marvel in half just like he did with Thanos? She isn't all that much more durable then Thanos and Thanos had 5 stones when he got cut
16:40 to be fair information can only travel at light speed, so the 90 secs is probably a hard limit on how fast the information can travel from the bots to the main consciousness of ultron. i doubt the writers thought of this however given how stupid every other thing is in this goddamn show
that would make sense if not for the fact that we see later that the bots literally wait 90 seconds before transmitting anything
@@puggietaur yeah like i said they didnt even bother putting in this very sensical defense due to how lazy they are
Even if his goal did change aftwr seeing all those universes, he could NOT kill everything in those universes.
Nice Job on this video. I am a Comic Nut and can't stand the direction Marvel has taken. Threw you a Sub!
I did like the one where yondu actually dropped off peter, purely because we get to see more celestial fight stuff, even if it was done in a less interesting way than gotg 2. I also liked the premise of a bunch of them but thought they were mishandled (I mean how do you drop the ball on Tony and the Grandmaster interacting???) I feel like this is true of a vast majority of What If, if the writing had been better it could have really been something special, but instead we get slop.
Sorry for the rant
- its actually almost impressive how bad the writesr are when the whole concept of what if lets them basically pursue any out there idea they want and just have fun with it. They couldn't keep it fun though, they had to make it so lame.
why couldnt ultron just do a snap but for the whole universe and not just half? even if the snap only kills half, he should snap first then clean up the rest before they can recover from losing half their manpower
The idea behind Ultron's original plan was to introduce a near extinction event and force humanity to evolve or die.
he wants to lead whatever is left of humanity, which by the end of the movie he concludes will be only him and his sub bots "the only thing living in this world will be metal"
@puggietaur right, but his original problem with the Avengers was that they were a crutch, not allowing humanity to evolve. Ultron just replacing everyone was one of two successful outcomes that were considered. The reason why Ultron failed is that the Avengers saved everyone preventing humanity from adapting to anything.
My favorite part of this entire what if was ultron only, I didn't care about anybody else except ultron
You're assuming the multivers events play out exactly alike in all events...which isn't the case in multiversal theory
I loooove Ultron but i agree the episode made no sense at all wished he got a better treatment
Isn't there like two or three seasons of the What If series?
there are, i have videos on the 2nd and 3rd seasons
All im going to say is you would be surprised how unorganised storage archives can be. They are not really organised at all for majority of them. Government ones included
What confuses me is how Loki (and by extension Deadpool and Wolverine now) make the infinity stones (idiotically) about as useful as paper weights when you have 4th/5th dimensional power. Yet the watcher, being a REAL 4th/5th (whatever the hell he is) being can’t just instantly obliterate ultron despite the fact he needs the stones to even see or enter the higher dimension, and he somehow is that powerful in the higher dimension despite the fact that the stones have been said to be basically useless in the higher dimensions.
What if should've never been MCU based and just adapted the comics OR each season should been based on a Phase. So ONE ep from each movie. That way you can still to the teamup and have it make more sense
Phase 1 would be:
What if Iron Man BECAME the Mandarin or The Mandarin Knight. Maybe the OG Mandarin had the info about his parents but lies abit about it which initially turns him against the government and sheild. And then in the 2nd movie SHEILD tells him the REAL truth about his parents and he turns against the Mandarin. Maybe Black Widow is a double agent for the Red Room still
What if Hulk became Doc Green? In that experiment that almost took his powers he merged his mind. But this time its a version of Smart hulk that's more like Reed Richards, thst being cold and aloof
Peggy's ep can still work as is but don't put her in the ice. Maybe she ends up leading SHEILD cause the serum slows aging
What if Thor was adopted or what if its a Superman situation where the frost giants took over Asgard and Thor was sent away as a baby. And Loki grows up with his Frost Giant parents. Hawkeye would be left unchanged since he barely does anything in this movie💀
What if Loki won in Avengers 1. Frost Giant Loki invades earth but wins this time due to being able to use asgard's resources
That's how I would've done it at least. Cause these randomized episodes don't really make much sense. What exactly are they what ifs OF...cause a lot of them don't seem to be based on ANY of the ACTUAL mcu movies💀
Dont the stones stop working if they're outside of their native universe, so the moment ultron went to fight the watcher, he should've lost all the infinity stones power? Much less be able to fight him through universes. Like, wasn't that stated in the Loki show???
Was this episode before or after the first season of Loki? Didn’t the TVA use infinity stones as paperweights because they had no power outside of their original timeline/universe?
Individual fans will notice glaring plot holes clearly obvious to anyone paying close attention. And yet even with hundreds of people involved in these productions and everyone knowing how scrutinizing the fans can be can't point out something as clearly defined as splitting from the sacred timeline. Sucks even more when I'm phase 1 and 2 there wasn't an abundance of MCU critics and analysts and there are today. And they just don't seem to watch any knowledgeable UA-camrs on a path to carry on. Insane how fast they killed this franchise and I'm very curious to find out if a universal reboot is actual gonna help or hinder. I based Marvel's success on "my non comic reader/fan mother can enjoy and comprehend these films so they're successful" the moment my mom stopped asking when is the next marvel i knew it was over.
I want to rewatch Age of Ultron now.
it's underrated. not the greatest but there's some neat stuff in there
Erm, actually i was wearing armor with fireball resistance, so i wouldn't have died when you cast it.
I will say, Ultron doing stuff Vision never did is probably a result of him not being Vision. Like his laser being stronger could probably be because Vision is too kind. Vision probably didn’t use the emp power because he either didn’t know about it or he didn’t wanna emp all of Sokovia. He probably would’ve accidentally hit Tony or worse shut down the rockets under Sokovia causing it to drop, also depending on when he’d do it there’s a chance Ultron escapes back to the internet.
Also as far as he weaker drone bodies, that’s just a consistently bad part about almost all Ultron variants, it’s a nerf the plot gives him in almost every iteration. Also in age of Ultron he does the dumbest thing and destroys a prime body just to flex💀
Lastly, I think Ultron’s ascension to higher consciousness might be because he’s a machine, like an organic being like Thanos or Tony can’t handle an ascension like that (no Captain Carter and her miltiversal crew are not included in this). Thanos has the stones for a few weeks and used them twice to great strain, maybe the first snap left him to drained or weak to be able to have access to a higher consciousness.
5:36 I mean it IS an INFINITY Stone😂. He's only fought humans before with human reaction time and he was aware of what he was fighting. Thanos is a trained warrior so its able to shrug off human level attacks. He was also able to react before Wanda attacked
Also Vision is a pacifist....Ultron isn't Vision💀. He's gonna use Visions powers in ways Vision wouldn't dare use them. If this show was R Rated I could see him going intangible to crush people's heart😭
There's a reason they NERFED Vision at the VERY START of Infinity War and Corvus had to SNEAK attack him to do it. He would DEMOLISH pretty much ALL of the Black Order without Corvus' weapon😂
I do agree with why the Black Order wasn't there and why he came 3 years earlier. I chalk that up to budget reasons and they only have 1 ep to tell a story🤔
I still don't why this show exists or why anyone likes it
Marvel tier writing just decided that normal humans can survive things that can knockout superman. It gets tiring how characters are just immune to damage.
So when someone unalives you are like "but there was like 100 ways this could have been avoided or prevented" and they are often brought back anyway.
It feels like for so many years now no story involving the Marvel characters has been decent. These spin offs are all bad. These cartoon series are all bad and the movies are all bad.
that's not entirely true, X-Men 97 was really good, that's the only one though. if you haven't seen it you should watch, legitimately good writing there
I've been reading and collecting comics for nearly 40 years. What If? are my favorite, i have a MASSIVE collection of them and still hunt them down. What they did to them is awful, i just can't watch this trash. There's so, so, so very many amazing What If? issues out there that would make banger episodes and this is what they give?
lowkey the beginning part is fine as both characters take similar hits in the actual age of ultron movie. i literally watched it yesterday and im pretty sure natasha got flung like way further in the movie. hawkeye def is taking to much damage but i swear in the movie they purposely hurt him like every 5 secs for plot
What if… Disney just stopped?
They nerf Thanos so much in this show.
I can't wait to see the video on the most recent season LMAO 😂
i already made it, won't be going as in depth because season 1 is the worst, 1 video per episode on that was warranted but for the other seasons i don't care enough
The ONLY episode I liked in What if Season 3 was the Red Guardian and Winter Soldier episode
that one wasn't too bad... the only episode i liked in s3 was the howard the duck one. it was dumb but fun
@puggietaur it was alright kinda funny how every evil being in the universe and Zeus wanting that egg
My friend. I had to stop watching at 5 minutes because of how stupid this show is. I will come back and finish it to give you a view but man I can’t stand this crap
I think when vision Ultron meant other worlds, I think he meant other realities
Essentially, he became a watcher
It is still stupid. He wouldn’t have figured that out on his own though.
My question is we're are the celestials weres galactic weres lady death
Let me tell you something - read some comic what-ifs then look at these what-ifs --- you will 100% throw up from how horrible they are compared to comics. Then even if you tell yourself it's the MCU they still go way too far and don't do characters right. I just don't get why ppl get excited for this. It's like getting an animated series of Avengers from wish.
Couldn't get into the what if series. I just couldn't see the point of "what if".
I think there is potential in this concept have ultron fuse with visions consciousness this being a universe where vision sides with ultron then have the two of them chase perfection trying to make a perfect society the two of them would then start to seek the infinity stones as to further there plan in the chase of perfection they exterminate all life in the universe gathering infinity stones then at the final stone the mind stone have ultron sacrifice visions consciousness for his goal of perfection then there could be a time skip where ultron is the only one left in the universe with his robots imitating peaceful life unfulfilled ultron chases power believing that he is not strong enough to achieve his goal he then could obtain so much power that he can see the watcher then discovering the other multiverses could sper ultron to look for the perfect life form it’s not perfect but if at the very least wouldn’t completely assassinate his character
I was fairly critically undiscerning when this show’s first season dropped, so I gave all of its episodes a pass.
This episode and the next one were the ones that pulled me out. They were that nakedly bad. I’ve been waiting for you to tear them a new one.
Some nitpicking
plenty of this is integral to how the episode plays out but okay
It's because this movie was never meant to be seen
Good video I'll sub