@@expandapantsii341 Emphasising. Like, for real, Disney are full assholes at this point, so they giving direct advice on writing an asshole-type character, while thinking they're doing great, would be overwhelmingly fitting.
Also, not so important actually, but the fact that a story with an asshole lawyer MC this bad, came out barely two months after the phenomenal Better Call Saul finale, makes it all the more jarring.
What bothered me most was the fact that she didn't want Hulk to help her in the end because it was "her show" yet we've watched Loki, Hawkeye, Dr. Strange, and Thor become damn near bystanders next to their female counterparts in their own shows.
What I like about Hawkeye though is that she at least never one-upped him. He actually had to train her and she had to allow him The agenda is still there, but it's done better than these other shows
In the examples you are listing, we already know about those characters so the writing focused on introducing new. In she hulk she is the new character so she is the focus. The guys you listed are not going to be around much longer
@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp That's true. But at least she had to train under him before getting that title. It's still cringe as she's so young and he is still alive. But I still think Hawkeye handled the new generation better than any film so far
Wish you had a short section talking about Jen's original character in the comic, which is what makes this the biggest tragedy in Marvel. The character of Jen Walters is actually extremely charming, she's a wise-cracking sass much like Peter Parker. She loves her cousin Bruce, who she is grateful to have been saved by, as her transformation into She-hulk actually was a huge boost to her life. She loved being She-hulk, and it empowered her. She didn't care if people thought she was monstrous, weird, or a freak. She was meant to be the opposite of Bruce. A woman who wanted to be seen, and found, and not have to hide who she truly was.
@@garenthal9638 You have that backwards. You think she is charming. Most people did not, which is evidenced by the poor performance of a show that had every advantage when it started.
@@billedens4749 the majority of the people who you say don’t like her already decided they didn’t like her before it came out. I actually think the show is pretty bad but she is great. Main issue is the writing. Tatiana Maslany gave a good performance and has the marvel charm that an actor needs to fit in. Brie Larson does not have that charm. When she hulk is in movies like secret wars with other people writing it people will start to like her more because she is likable. Captain Marvel is hated all around because she is just not a likable person
Because Deadpool is an actual good movie with actual good casting, directing, script, etc. Plus, was made by Fox. Not Marvel, which is why it's better.
Jessica Gao really let that pickle Rick episode go through her head , she actually think that she's a genius and her will shall be done no matter how stupid it sounds or looks like
Jessica Gao is guaranteed to die alone, in her apartment, not found or discovered for days, and no one will miss her or hold a funeral for her. Her and everyone like her, will end up like that. She will never learn from her mistakes and never grow as a person. I can't even hate someone so toxic and miserable, you already know how their life is going to end.
How I would have fixed She-Hulk: 1. Cast an actually tall, athletic woman to play She-Hulk, use practical effects to make her look even bigger compared to the other actors, and use CG to "Steve Rogers" her down to "Jen size." Why? Because, in the comics, Jen actually prefers her Hulk form and feels more confident as a Hulk, so she stays Hulk all the time. 2. Make THAT her story arc. In the beginning of the series, she hates being Hulk, and the series is about her accepting it and she becomes She-Hulk 24/7. 3. I like your idea about the Abomination case being one long arc. Let's keep that. Also, the complication that she may end up having to defend Wong as well for breaking Abomination out of prison. 4. Fewer 4th wall breaks. I know Jen does it in the comics, but the MCU just acquired Deadpool, so let's not overdo it. 5. Write an actually compelling character and story. 6. Hire a legal consultant for the court drama part of the story. 7. Don't. Let. She-Hulk. Twerk.
Or as part of Haveing her accepting it Have her work with banner to merge her hulk together giving banner a reason to be in the show and a setup for a mentor style connection with him
Also, maybe have some actually funny jokes. And not shit on men every 20 seconds. And stop pretending that Jen is anywhere near as strong as Banner. And show her original backstory where she is recused.
Can we add like her struggling to use an control her powers make her relatable more rage shit do a time skip or a montages. That's why I liked moon knight he struggled over time but slowly got better
So they’re just going to ignore that time the apple store employee called Steve Rogers a “specimen” as a compliment? Like, yeah, that’s fine, but when it happens to Jen (who repeatedly talks about Steve like a piece of meat), it’s a cardinal sin. Okay, cool.
Tbf the context is very obviously different. Its not perverted at all to compliment a bro whose obviously worked hard on his physique, and is going on a honeymoon with his hot wife (from the employee’s perspective). It was just a nerdy compliment from a somewhat socially awkward dude - a response from Natasha’s sarcastic “you must be twins” I don’t like she hulk, not trying to defend the show, but calling a woman a “specimen” on your first date is a creepy red flag in itself. It’s plain to see why Jen (or any self respecting woman) would be grossed out and even troubled by that remark, in that context. A better comparison would be that one h*rny female officer in First Avenger who took advantage of Cap (who was clearly uncomfortable in the situation). Both the officer and “toxic man 3” had little regard for the respective main character and tried to take advantage of them, showing how easily both genders can be harassed. I appreciate that the early mcu at least tried to show a female taking advantage of a strong man like Cap bc that shit happens to everyone unfortunately
@@vincesaenz2760 "A better comparison would be that one h*rny female officer in First Avenger who took advantage of Cap" You know, the one who groped and kissed him without his permission or prior interest? Thats S.A. and no its not 'a better comparison'. the better comparison was the one in the one espoused by the OP
@@Luke_SkywaIker I generally agree with what you're saying in this comment. But I do think the scene in CA:TFA proves there is a slight double standard. After all, unlike Jen - who gets to be angry about her sexual harrassment, Steve is victim-blamed, slut-shamed, and physically attacked by his love interest. And we know that the Marvel writers don't think Peggy's reaction would be acceptable if the genders were reversed because in the same movie Steve also wrongfully assumes Peggy is involved with Howard and he doesn't attack her for it. They also don't have a role-reversal of this scene in the Captain Carter episode of the "What If" series.
They had a chance to have She-Hulk stand for true justice, exposing how the justice system is broken and her struggle to fight against the corruption, but no. How you look on social media, dating issues, celebrities and dealing with petty 1st world problems are exactly what you should expect from She-Hulk Attorney At Law.
let me pitch you an idea: She-Hulk Season 2 with a lot more Daredevil, this exact plot, Pheonix Wright and Saul Goodman as side characters and Monokuma as the villian!
As a non-binary bisexual goof I am severely disappointed at the new shows they just paint wrong messages about people to promote their own message while people just want entertainment. The new Velma show is goofy you ruined a show and removed scoob and shaggy for your own message Bruv
Rumor has it, the Loki show. That time agency is supposed to be Disney. The writers just taking subtle jabs at how working for Disney turns you into a NPC.
I don't think so, they clearly don't know how to make She Hulk show. They don't understand the character and just turn her into something fit their propaganda.
When Jen told Bruce that she didn't have anger issues, i thought that it was part of her development. That by the end of the show, she would acept that she actually has anger issues, and learn that accepting that isn't a weakness, but a strenght. But that didn't happen, even when the final episode had the perfect chance to do that, after Jen's violent reaction when Todd revealed all those videos.
I thought that was what they were going for, especially at the penultimate episode when she got angry and lost everything because of it. Them the last episode was at age was wronged… and she Karen’s the writers to change the ending… the F!!
@@GreyKnight7777 it’s not that expectations where subverted. It’s that bad writing is grating. Ever hear of chekhov’s gun? Well if not neither did the writers. When the writers create a plot point, character thinks they have anger under control, to then show her life being trashed because of lack of control of anger. Then to have her fix it, not by actual character growth, but by complaining to the robot god who was never referenced before that point… it’s more then a missed opportunity. It’s nails to a chalkboard bad writing.
The Office was such a great show. They really didn’t pull any punches with the writing and it paid off in the end. I loved how they pushed the envelope with that show and it was greatly-executed by the actors.
The main issue with most of these female lead, writer self insert character stories revolves around one thing… They don’t get character arcs because that would force the writer to put her character(herself) down in some way. A character has to fall down in some way before they can raise back up. That’s the foundation of any good character arc, but it can never happen to any of these strong female characters because that would mean that first need to be knocked down, and the writers can’t have that.
you defined the problem in one short sentence "writer self insert character story" self insert characters are always the need of an egocentric person to prove they are better than what they are. and I know this because I'm no different than that. I have failed to write any decent story because I end self inserting myself as one of the main characters.
@@WilliamWizer I’ve never written anything to that extent, but I imagine it’s gotta be hard sometimes not to self insert in some way, even if it’s subconsciously.
@@ganjathegr8143 the problem isn't inserting yourself but inserting an idealized version of yourself because you tend to forget to insert your flaws too.
@@WilliamWizer Exactly. Character arc implies that there are lessons to be learned, experiences to be had, growth and personal development etc. Can’t really have any of those things if you’re a “Mary Sue” and there’s nothing more to add to your perfect character who knows everything. I think you worded everything excellently.
@@casadilla111 it's easy when you become able to see that your worst flaw is feeling you aren't allowed to have flaws (already working with my therapist about that)
My friend got mildly annoyed I had a opinion about the show and the mcu's state as a whole when I hadn't watched any of the shows, im like that's what reviews are for, so I know whether a given show is worth my time. She said the only criticism she's heard of the show was from and I quote "misogynistic dudebros who can't stand to see a powerful woman" I have never heard something that caused me more pain than that statement, and I once dropped a rock the size of my liver on my finger when I was nine.
@@azaril7780 to be honest all of the criticism I've heard is about the lazy writing. Every single time it comes down to that. Now I'm not gonna hate on this show or tell people not to watch it. But if every critical mention of this show is how in order to make the main character less shitty they make every man around her at least twice as shitty, then I think we might just have a shitty show
@@TheMovieCynic your not wrong I was just saying that it’s rediculus that a show made by marvel is cinematic garbage, minions was the best example foe comparison to me
Alright now I know she hulk is garbage but sheesh now we’re just saying literally anything is better ? Or did she hulk lower the bar so much a minions move can be considered “one of the best things to come out this year”?
@@oeny6040 I think you could show character development while breaking the fourth wall. I dare say it would make it easier, as the character has a chance to actively voice the change they've undergone, and show recognition of their past.
@@NicolasKiroy that's just monologuing no need to break the fourth wall to achieve it. Edit: now that I think about it I would like to see monologuing while breaking the fourth wall, it's as if the character is directly talking to the viewers.
@@oeny6040 That's literally what I was talking about. As a tool, using the wall break to have a heart to heart with the audience, a moment of reflection, etc. You can achieve that with a monologue, but monologues are cheesy the majority of the time they're used. Same could be said for the fourth wall break, but some do it better than others.
My mom isn't really into marvel stuff. She likes her crappy hallmark Christmas movies. But even she called me, and went on a rant about how terrible this show was. I was baffled that she was so upset with the show, because it's an honest, raw reaction for how someone feels about a piece of content.
What really made me uncomfortable was how Jen was talking about Steve. And that happened multiple times and she has his butt saved as phone wallpaper. And you don't even have to reverse the genders in this situation, it was just plainly disgusting.
@Danton I am sorry I don't understand that line xddd. But I am sure that there's plenty of those kind of lyrics, million sexist songs sung and written by both men and women.
@@onceafetus426 I wouldn't say double standard necessarily, because it seems most people agree it was creepy and weird. There certainly can be times where people unfairly treat issues between men and women but this one seems pretty universally understood as wrong
that and when she says she smashes Matt Murdock, which seemed like elevating him to just a piece of meat rather than respecting him as a person. If any man said said the same thing about Jen he would be called disgusting, and rightly so
I havent heard anyone talk about the fact that as a hulk her bodily fluids are radioactive and deadly to humans. She 100% killed every single perspn she got with. This is why bruce stays away from romance and is a crucial part of the burden that comes with his condition. It defines his character
I can't stand feminist movies/shows for that reason. Don't let me rub you the wrong way, I think everyone should have equal rights no matter the gender, sexuality, race, etc, but they only thrive with convenient misogyny, incompetence or having an actually good man for their storyline. I acknowledge that a lot of men suck and some of these scenarios are real and valid, but they over exaggerate so much that it is unbearable to me. Not to mention the fact that some of these movies make feminism their only plotline which is boring, dull and hard to watch
When you hire an all female writing staff unfamiliar with source material. They were hired because they all have an axe to grind with men who either don't give them a second look or leave after a few dates. Just one look at Gao tells you all you need to know about her.
@Ron Swanson lol exactly...like Olivia Wilde...made a movie on male patriarchy or something along those lines, which completely sucked,and when it failed she blamed Men for it 😂...not accepting the fact that her product geniunely sucked 🤡
I have never seen any form of media that holds the writers insecurities and hatred so tight to its core that it feels like you can see through the content into their mind without deeper analysis. This show is honestly astounding in how it managed to accomplish that.
I just fucking love the observation of Camile Vasquez being this universally loved lawyer (woman of color) while they talk about how hard it is to be a female lawyer, and then simultaneously saying they dont know shit about law or lawyers.
The fact that the writers even mention the online haters, and the very on-the-nose Doomcock reference is proof positive that it has truly gotten under their thin skin. A thing of beauty to witness.
@@fersuvious she did a really good job of playing such a shitty and narcissistic character, or that could be her real personality and she wasn't acting, you never know
I love when people call me a 40 year old happily married man an “incel” because I don’t like a tv show because it has an unlikeable main character and bad writing / acting and written by activists to send a message and not to just make a quality show (like how the Netflix daredevil show was). It’s like “incel” now a days just means “person who doesn’t agree with me” as well as “troll” these words have lost their meaning.
@@georgeray1906 Involuntarily Celibate. It's essentially calling out angry nerds who can't get laid. It used to reference fat ugly perverts gaming in their parents' basement who think all women are against them. It used to be a derogatory term toward someone who never took charge of their own life and blames the world for their problems. Ironic...
Reminder that Jennifer never apologized to her cousin about her belittling of him and his experiences in Episode 1, and probably rewrote the memories of Bruce and everyone involved in this show in order to avoid doing that, or any consequences.
I have a theory. Maybe Jen only runs into the worst guys because she’s just such a foul and despicable person herself and like attracts like and all. Or maybe it’s an “if you go outside and you meet an asshole, you met an asshole, but if you go outside and everyone’s an asshole, you’re an asshole” situation. Maybe that was what they were trying to say all along.
Tim Roth given 100% for The Incredible Hulk but here he don't give any shit whatever happens. After watching She-Hulk, my respect for Edward Norton's Hulk increased.
Much respect to Ruffalo but the Ed Norton version and look was better imo. The university scene against the military is the epitome of Savage Hulk. Underrated movie
@@Sci-Fi_Freak_YT Yea Ruffalo was excellent in the first Avengers film, especially the way he played Bruce. The socially awkward, depressed, embarrassed to be who he is, etc... that's the one time I felt he played the role perfectly.
“It’s not the best MCU show - but I appreciate the MCU trying something new” - *The Average MCU Fan* that can never muster up harsh criticism for a Marvel property.
Don’t forget the classic “oh it wasn’t for me but I still enjoyed it, I just can’t understand the hate! Don’t like, don’t watch” Nothing annoys me more than that deflection
Every once in a while I find myself in one of the mainstream Marvel comments sections. It's alarming. I'm not making fun of the fans, I'm just shocked at how ironically bad mainstream Marvel fans are at reading the room. They would probably say that the people calling out wokeness are "incels" who don't do well socially, but the average person has long since decided that Marvel has problems. The die hard fans are completely behind the times on this stuff. Warning bells were breaking out of flashing red enclosures months ago trying to call attention to the collapse of the MCU and some fans are oblivious to it. It's started canabalizing the nostalgia created by lots of the original films to power the low effort TV shows and that's the last thing that a fan would normally want. If they aren't careful, "Marvel" could become a hated household word.
@@matthewmosier8439 I somewhat agree. But because I really liked Wandavision, am I apart of the problem? Wouldn’t it be more wise for both sides of the isle to come together to voice genuine concerns for the franchise, rather then just clown on each other and not take others opinions seriously? That’s a lot of what I’m seeing in the comments, and personally I think that’s just as unhelpful as the die hard fans who can’t critique anything.
@@cosmo588 I agree there should be a happy medium. I think you should be able to watch something from Marvel, enjoy it, but also not allow them to insult your intelligence just because it’s Marvel. I think that’s the main issue, would they defend it so vigorously if it didn’t have the Marvel tag attached to it?
I couldn't believe the vitriol and hatred poured onto this series. So I went and watched 3 whole episodes. It's unbelievable. I can't imagine how many steps in the processes of movie industry must be compromised to hallow this brain damage to happen.
Modern writters really used the 'meta joke' tool to its limits, there is really nothing worse than a "see, how bad our show is? Even we know it". How about making a good show? That would definitelly subvert my expectations.
This show.... I honestly couldn't even stomach to finish it but the clips I have seen.... Wow.. Especially the finale.... It's almost like they're trying to make shehulk look bad on purpose and then gaslighting the consumers into thinking they're the problem. I honestly don't even know what to say
I find it interesting that they’re attacking the fans for disliking the show, effectively saying “it’s awesome, you’re just misogynistic idiots”, and then are apparently quietly restructuring phase 5 and 6 due to criticism. Sounds like a video needs to be made about that.
@@TheMovieCynic I would love to watch a video of you talking about that! I'm just still baffled at how delusional they are. Do they have dementia? I'm seriously rhetorically asking 😖 Videos like yours are the only entertaining thing about these dumb shows. Maybe they're using these shows to launder money or something. I dunno lol
@Alteori That's almost literally what Jessica Gao did; someone who has serious issues and baggage, who decided to literally waste millions of dollars of her employer's money to "troll the audience," in one big giant therapy coping session for herself and all her equally misandrist writers (as well as literally having a giant therapy session for herself and writers in the actual show.) And Marvel Studios, since they let them do it, deserved to lose all that money. But the character of She Hulk didn't deserve to be destroyed like this, and the audience didn't deserve this level of hate, either. It's actually poetic, because like most feminists, they unintentionally ended up hating women and female characters almost as much as intentionally hating men and male characters. Anyone who could write a female character this badly has to hate women.
@@TheMovieCynic Have you done that video??? If so, haven’t seen and would enjoy watching. She-Hulk cannot be put on screen ever again. It simply doesn’t fit. It’s beyond a joke to see She-Hulk and Kamala as part of main Avengers team in Kang Dynasty. Pure cringe.
When Batgirl was axed by WB, saying that it was brand damaging, I actually wanted to watch it to know what a brand damaging movie will look like. Now I know.
I find it hilarious that, when one upping Hulk, he throws the rock with just a wrist flick while she puts her whole arm and back into it and only gets a few feet farther. Then she celebrates thinking she did something. It's like the director snuck a little F U in to the writers and they were too dumb to notice.
I think a far better comparison than The Office would be Peacemaker.. He's a dude that has some bad personality defects, from his upbringing and other factors, but at his core, he is a good person and genuinely wants to be a hero. Throughout the show's first season, we learn where he came, how rotten his father is, the trauma from his past, and how all of that molded him into the person he is, but also it shows him grow and learn from both his victories and his failures, and in the end he finds redemption. He's still not perfect, but he comes a long way, gaining friends, developing clearer morals and values, rising above his villainous father's abuse, and becoming the hero he had always sought to be. On top of all of that, the show was fucking hilarious.. Basically every thing She-Hulk did terribly, Peacemaker did it right.
When the writers of a show featuring a lawyer as the main character said they had no idea how to do courtroom anything, you knew it was gonna be a one in a kind show.
What charm or comedy? I have no love for she hulk or Disney at all but Deadpool is only funny or charming to 12 year olds and crayon eaters. 4th wall breaks, swearing and being wacky and random isn't comedy
That moment with Michael buying Pam's picture was also even more poignant because he has been established as a man with no filter. We know that he is being absolutely sincere in how much he loves her work and the pride that he has in seeing her work. With a character like Jen we would assume she was just being nice.
i'm a woman and i hate this show sooo fucking much. i'm a massive feminist, equality, pronoun, lgbt type, and trust me even we hate it. i genuinely don't understand who this is made for except women who hate men and think all women are perfect all the time and can do no wrong. it pisses me off that she hulk got this treatment bc shes actually such a fun character, and it pisses me off that the writers think that in order to lift her into the light, they have to shit on hulk, who is a far bigger legend than she ever will be
No it didn’t, at least for me. Just like Teen Titans Go didn’t make me hate the Teen Titans By that I mean, it made me appreciate the previous, better-written incarnations
They did do it on purpose. They want to "stick it" to people who don't like it by deliberately making something horrific and then sit back and act it like it proved something. It's bizarre and psychotic. Funded by Disney.
Also, She-Hulk somehow manages to ruin the worldbuilding of the MCU even more by repealing the Sokovia Accords, which renders the Civil War film entirely meaningless now. You'd think that, after the events of Phase 4, the UN would want even more regulations and restrictions placed on superpowered individuals, because in the eyes of the average person, they clearly can't control themselves. And after what Wanda did in Westview - *_enslaving an entire town of over 3,000 people_* - and what Jennifer did in Episodes 6 and 8, which was start a fight at a *wedding reception hall* and *destroy the top level of a parking garage and multiple cars,* public opinion of superpowered individuals would be *down.* And now this finale has made the entirety of She-Hulk season 1 pointless. Kingdom Hearts: Chain of Memories and Kingdom Hearts 2 somehow take the idea of fucking with people's memories more seriously than the MCU, now.
@@MovieGuy666 No, they would. And the fact that they did away with it in such a shitty manner shouldn't be something you're glad about. These superpowered individuals have the potential to hurt thousands of people, if not more, and you think it's a good thing that the governments of the world have _no say_ in what those individuals do?
@@MovieGuy666 The Sokovia Accords would have been an effective mine for character drama, especially since they want to bring in the X-Men who have many stories built around mutants, who are super powered individuals, being profiled, registered, and hunted down. You also had the potential of background organizations like Hydra or Shield repurposing Stark's tech to create an enforcement system for helping handle super powered individuals. There was a lot of narrative conflict that could have been used to make something, be it referencing comic content or making something new to fit the MCU.
I am consistently appalled at the kind of dialogue that comes out of shows like this. "I love harassing women at the work place" is fucking legendary lmao. I guarantee that's never come out of a person's mouth genuinely. I'm sure it's crossed a person's mind. But literally declaring it to a room of nothing but women? Seriously? Lmao
I heard a guy say once, “we were just talking about women, and how we don’t respect them and only have sex with them.” But he was shitfaced and he said it super awkward, like you could tell he didn’t know why he was saying it. This was at a college party about ten years ago. Anyway that’s all I got.
It’s funny because Hollywood used to make strong female leads better than they have in recent years. It’s almost like when they specifically try to make them a strong female boss bitch, they fail, but when they didn’t really try and were just focused on making a decent movie, they succeeded. Lara Croft is a good strong female character because they focused on making a good movie and character, and didn’t focus on the fact that she was a women. She went through trials and hardships, she wasn’t insufferable and immediately amazing at everything. I just don’t understand how people nowadays think that these “strong females characters” are good. I would NEVER want my daughter to look up to a female character who puts men down, is completely obsessed with herself past the point of general confidence, is born amazing at fighting or whatever and never had to work for it. A good lesson would’ve been if She Hulk did allow Hulk to help her. Boom, teaches kids and everyone that you can’t immediately be great at everything, and seeking help from people with more experience than you is invaluable. But no, teach them to be conceded assholes who never have to work for anything and overshadow every male no matter what.
I think that made me not like she hulk even more. Micheal is a mess… but in that moment we got to see the bright-gentle human soul underneath. She Hulk has nothing like this to redeem her
Scrubs is a light hearted show. But when they talk about serious stuff it is impactful and amazing. The Janitor spending a whole day with a patient that was paralyzed was so good I still rewatch it to this day.
Same can be said about MASH. It’s a comedy for the most part, but isn’t afraid of pulling out the emotional and serious stuff, which makes sense since it takes place in the middle of a war.
THANK U LIKE SCRUBS IS ONE OF MY FAV SHOWS. It gives us of a nice balance of comedy and drama with the blend of just trying to figure out what they're talking about via doctor language
Beautiful video that touches RIGHT on the subject matter at hand, especially around the 10:00 mark. There's a wild misunderstanding in Hollywood writing these days that the only way to get an audience to connect with movie characters, they have to relate to them by means of gender, race, or sexual orientation. This is not true. A man can watch Alien and find ways to connect to Ellen Ripley, just like a woman can watch a Spider-Man movie and relate to Peter Parker. Sadly, the writers of today can't understand this. Excellent video! Gave it a thumbs up!
THIS. I've also seen the misunderstanding affect Japanese media, in this case, the new Mobile Suit Gundam show. Witch from Mercury is made by and for people who don't get Gundam. The concept of a female protagonist however, SHOULD have worked because Mobile Suit Gundam has tons of memorable female characters in the franchise. Sayla Mass from the original show? Marida Cruz from the Unicorn OVA? Cagalli Yula [Atha] from SEED? All of these characters could be relatable to male viewers, just like how Amuro Ray, Banagher Links and even Kira Yamato could be rooted for by women. However, Witch from Mercury didn't get this, and instead, under the belief that "GUNDAM IS FOR OLD FOLKS SO LET'S UPDATE IT FOR MODERN AUDIENCES!", decided to make a High School Lesbian Romance, which is just UUUUUGH... so frustrating and hateful. It's quite telling that now, the fanbase is suffering from an invasion of fake "fans" who misunderstand the franchise like how the staff do, and that there's no safe haven. Witch from Mercury used the Hollywood woke misunderstanding, and it is damaging the franchise.
@@criccode2993 NO, They did it WRONG, you nutter! Rather than just making a show with a female protagonist, they decided to trick fans into watching something that foresook the DNA of the franchise for something far worse. They made it about IDENTITY and REPRESENTATION rather than STORYTELLING.
@@NebLleb Well its been only 3 episodes out of 25+ so I would hold back on criticism about story telling. It has only set up the basic premise of the show and have not done anything bad yet. Identity and representation are very welcome in any show as a theme so I am happy to see them. We will have to see what they do with these and then we can criticise them. I do not believe that there is any problem with the concept of this show, and you should keep an open mind while watching this show.
I'm not a homosexual person but I still find it kinda insulting that the show represents almost every gay character as the same? Like, it's like they turned the term homosexual into a personality (which is literally just being feminine and shit) rather than what it is, a sexuality And that's not even a problem in just this show, it's literally a problem in everything
Yeh, that was my issue when I saw the designer dude... fkin insulting. I may bottom with my man, but I dont walk around with my hand up, talking like a walking stereotype and dangling my hips. This show managed to denigrate everyone.
@@AnonningAnon yeah, I'm surprised people aren't talking more about this, it seems to be a trope now which, well, it's pretty insulting, considering that this is not how gay people act (I know that there are a few that do but to assume that it's every single one is ridiculous)
Titania stood out to me. For how bad she was depicted. She's supposed to be a major villain to she-hulk. In episode 1 she smashes through a wall and has a quick fight with she-hulk. No one knows why she showed up or what she was doing there. Then she copyrights the she-hulk name and sells some products. Villain behavior at it's best 😂She finally has 1 last fight with she-hulk at the wedding and again, no one really knows why she is the villain or dislikes she-hulk. Ultimately us "toxic fans" were the real villain because the showrunner told us so. I guess this is why the actual villain character in the show had no backstory at all, barely any lines, and only appeared a handful of times over the 9 episodes. My 9 year old nephew could've written a better show. This was absolutely awful in every way imaginable. I also noticed She-Hulk's body count. I counted 4 guys in a very short period of time. Which means she would've been stacking up 40-50 bodies in a year. Never in my life have I heard a guy refer to a hot hick as "it." I'm older and grew up at a time where if someone did that say no one would be offended and it might even have gotten a laugh. I grew up around some guys that maybe would say something like that. Yet when drunk of out their minds I still never heard anyone say this. One last thing, all the cameos, I noticed this b4 the 1st episode even aired and told multiple friends the show NEEDS these cameos from bigger more well know characters to help carry it and that's an enormous red flag. There is a reason Marvel picked this show to do Daredevil's 1st appearance in the MCU. The 1st Tom Holland Spider-man did this because Marvel wasn't sure Holland could carry the movie plus he wasn't known to American audiences. So they brought in RDJ to help carry it. This made sense but RDJ was the only cameo and it turns out Holland was fantastic and probably didn't need RDJ in that film.
Bro, for real. That's another character this series screwed up besides She-Hulk herself. Titania is essentially the Joker to She-Hulk's Batman, yet they treat her like an inconvenient nuisance at best, which is insulting.
@@bibi-bi9qu it’s a caricature of objectification. That’s the point. Of course men aren’t that over the top about it in real life, but objectification is real. And it’s fine. And it’s fine for women to feel annoyed by it. And it’s fine to make a comedy show for women to vent their frustrations. It doesn’t mean you think men are bad.
I think the amount of good Camille did for male victims of female abuse is incredible, I never even thought about the Me Too movement as a full-time father who experienced years of abuse with no escape because of the custody double standard, and the abuse double standard's prevalence. Women are always stereotyped as better parents even when the dad raises his daughter 100% alone. Women are always stereotyped as the victims of domestic abuse, even when the man is bleeding from the nose with a fat swollen lip after being punched repeatedly in the face while sitting there and taking it. A man can get beat up without provocation without fighting back and still get arrested more often than the actual criminal when that criminal is a female. And when a child growing up alone with an abuser like that is at stake, and custody laws give children to mothers so frequently, I would take a million times the physical abuse to save my daughter from being targeted. Its an escapable. And Camilla helped Johnny not just because Amber was the abuser, but even more so because Amber was the abuser AND the accuser! That sentiment is beyond f'd up, and creates a beyond unlivably painful life situation for the true victim.
Yes I hated that comment - setting the metoo movement back? WTF?? That sounded really sexist to me and made me cringe so hard ... Abuse victims are abuse victims. It was a major win for anyone suffering from domestic violence and men need vindication as much as women. WTAF Movie Cynic? OH! and so sorry that happened to you! Dx
actually during custody, 94% of times when men filed for custody over their children they got it. The court doesn't favour women in custody its just that men don't file for custody in the first place because they don't wanna take care of their own children. Quite a big misconception
@@RED-my9hl Where is this statistic from? source please. By the way, it isn't that men don't file for custody. The system is built around not giving them custody. If a man has a child with a woman, and isn't there to sign the birth certificate, then custody automatically goes to the woman. If the woman wants to, she can quickly sign the birth certificate, or even refuse to share it with the man, because she has the power over the birth certificate when their child is born. If a man isn't married to a woman, then custody automatically goes to the woman. The man has guardianship, but does not have legal custody even if they sign the birth certificate. And their sounds like some mysogyny in your words when you phrase them like, "men don't file because they don't wanna take care of their own children." Because I am a man and my daughter's only parent, while her mother goes off doing heroin, smoking crack, prostituting herself, every terrible influence that I refuse to let my little girl see her birth mother engaging in. Yet she can still come back home and terrify me by threatening to take her away because SOMEHOW she still has custody. I do not do drugs, do not drink, and fully devoted myself to my daughter the day I fell in love with her, the day she was born. I even home school her just to build a stronger bond and be able to give her the 1 on 1 attention that schools of 30 unfortunately can never give a student. She learns at an astronomical rate compared to when I was in public school I cannot believe it and at 5 she is where I was in 3rd grade. But I did notice that the home schooling community is almost entirely made up of women. But the thing is that neither men nor women are bound by their biology, gender and genetics to be either ABLE or UNABLE to raise their child with unconditional and undying love and devotion; its a choice that requires the openness to learn and complete devotion to your child's wellbeing and trust me, there are degenerate women and degenerate men alike. And I would die the most painful death imaginable a million times over if it meant protecting my daughter, so don't even try to tell me "men don't want anything to do with their children, they are all pigs" because I am my own man undefined by anyone or anything else but the love for my daughter!
@@RED-my9hl your claim doesn't pass the eye test. I'm sure there is some doctored up stat that makes the situation look better than it is. I've never seen men running around impregnating as many baby mamas as possible to collect a paycheck. I have seen a lot of women do just that.
The MoCritical madness was a real time glimpse into the factual reality of gaslighting. His initial criticism was exclusively for the twitter crap Velmuh was typing. Yet, the instant gut reaction from who I would assume is his audience is to assume he means Velma's intense new tan. They have been conditioned to assume the worst intentions of every interaction. It sucked watching him flounder trying to to figure out if they were simply fckn with him or doing the sjw fingerwag.
Well yeah, because if you charitably interpret someone you disagree with, you might have to actually consider they might have a valid criticism! If I can’t handwave away all my perceived opponents.. what’s the point, man?
The best part is when he said he is convinced that they are actually racists and it’s true, they think about race far more than the people they call racists
“Think of all the things She Hulk brings to the table, and those were the best options” *the things* : being an awful lawyer, an even more awful superhero, and an even more awful human being *the best option* : a guy who helps kids with cancer, is young, jacked, handsome and his drawback was not liking it when he got catfished, for which he was extremely polite at that.
Yeah my wife said the same about the show. We kept our kids away from it. She Hulk and this show is a bad role model for girls. All men are not like this. It's all about hating men. And they changed She Hulk origin too. She was dying and Bruce gave her his blood.
They changed it cause this show is only about empowering women so they will never show a woman needing help from a man cause they're better than everyone all of a sudden
I have a sneaking suspicion that the writers were extremely insulated females who never actually experienced these various stylizations of men. Merely, they were romanticizing being a victim because that’s what they heard it’s like when men actually show interest because these women have never actually had a man interested in them to begin with, sad.
I couldn't watch more than episode 1. I then immediately canceled Dis+. I was fed up with all the man-hate by Disney. I like both of my fathers, they are dear to me. This endless anti father crap needs to end bad. Those writers need therapy. Also ty for watching it all and reviewing it. I know the struggle was real and it was appreciated.
Yea I got rid of Dinsey plus after 2021 when every single show was just a woke agenda with terrible writing/plot. Only way change will come is to stop giving them money.
I LOVED that movie "Everything Everywhere All At Once". And i enjoyed how they reversed traditional gender roles with her husband and didn't do it in such a ham fisted way.. to the point that I bet most of you didn't even notice they did it. 90s Star Trek (TNG & DS9) also did it very well.
17:20 this is the same problem I have with the Harley Quinn show. If a male character isn't an ally, he's written as stupid, pathetic, an asshole, or a combination of the three. None of the men can be good without any of those properties attached in some way.
Sometime Its like jessica gao is putting in the serie everything that she wanted to happen to her like everyone telling she is amazing and every men around her is just a bad person. It can happen a lot when you write a story and then you realize you just made a character based on yourself
when i was like 7 i wrote a comic where the characters from a star trek show (i forget which one but me and my dad watched it all the time) were all furbies and i recently found the notebook i drew it in. my NINE YEAR OLD FURBY TREK COMIC made me laugh more than she hulk. i also loved the part about social commentary not being a bad thing altogether and i really appreciate you including your girlfriend’s opinion, i think those were great points
Half of Disney’s employees are lawyers, they literally could’ve gotten one to help them with courtroom scene
"Hey! Remember that time we sued a family over a Spider-Man gravestone? We need a little advicing here."
@@miguelandresforerodelgadil3059 I can't tell if this is making fun of my comment or emphasising my joke lmao
@@expandapantsii341 Emphasising.
Like, for real, Disney are full assholes at this point, so they giving direct advice on writing an asshole-type character, while thinking they're doing great, would be overwhelmingly fitting.
Also, not so important actually, but the fact that a story with an asshole lawyer MC this bad, came out barely two months after the phenomenal Better Call Saul finale, makes it all the more jarring.
@@expandapantsii341 he's not making fun of you nor expanding your joke, Disney actually sued a family over a spider-man gravestone IRL.
What bothered me most was the fact that she didn't want Hulk to help her in the end because it was "her show" yet we've watched Loki, Hawkeye, Dr. Strange, and Thor become damn near bystanders next to their female counterparts in their own shows.
What I like about Hawkeye though is that she at least never one-upped him.
He actually had to train her and she had to allow him
The agenda is still there, but it's done better than these other shows
@@Beastinvader There's still that part where Hawkeye tells Kate that she really is the best Archer in the world
In the examples you are listing, we already know about those characters so the writing focused on introducing new. In she hulk she is the new character so she is the focus. The guys you listed are not going to be around much longer
@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp That's true. But at least she had to train under him before getting that title.
It's still cringe as she's so young and he is still alive. But I still think Hawkeye handled the new generation better than any film so far
@@Beastinvader she's definitely the best set up, but that show is just less crap then all the other crap they've been putting out. I demand better.
Wish you had a short section talking about Jen's original character in the comic, which is what makes this the biggest tragedy in Marvel.
The character of Jen Walters is actually extremely charming, she's a wise-cracking sass much like Peter Parker. She loves her cousin Bruce, who she is grateful to have been saved by, as her transformation into She-hulk actually was a huge boost to her life. She loved being She-hulk, and it empowered her. She didn't care if people thought she was monstrous, weird, or a freak. She was meant to be the opposite of Bruce. A woman who wanted to be seen, and found, and not have to hide who she truly was.
The character in the show is extremely charming. You just dont like it
@@garenthal9638 You have that backwards. You think she is charming. Most people did not, which is evidenced by the poor performance of a show that had every advantage when it started.
@@billedens4749 the majority of the people who you say don’t like her already decided they didn’t like her before it came out. I actually think the show is pretty bad but she is great. Main issue is the writing. Tatiana Maslany gave a good performance and has the marvel charm that an actor needs to fit in. Brie Larson does not have that charm. When she hulk is in movies like secret wars with other people writing it people will start to like her more because she is likable. Captain Marvel is hated all around because she is just not a likable person
To the OP: it's a pity that the "writers" didn't take their inspiration from the source material then, as the version you're referring to sounds fun.
@@billedens4749 Ironic - Palpatine
She Hulk: "Nothing can top me! I'm the worst show Disney has produced!"
The Accolyte: *"Hold my 180 million dollars"*
No no no. The Acolyte was bad. She hulk is the worse show ever made. Let's be clear.
Deadpool had a million jokes and fourth wall breaks in it, and STILL had serious moments where the comedy was turned down
Because Deadpool is an actual good movie with actual good casting, directing, script, etc. Plus, was made by Fox. Not Marvel, which is why it's better.
And what's worse is, Deadpool had a smaller budget than all of She Hulk, was made by FOX, and is a less popular, newer character than She Hulk is.
"Jokes"
Because deadpool is an actually good movie
And still felt as shitty as most of the MCU nonsense these days.
if your gf didnt dump you for making her watch this, she is a keeper
hahaha
But maybe you aren't lol
Facts.
She now understands those mood swings and drinking.
She's a keeper!!
Jessica Gao really let that pickle Rick episode go through her head , she actually think that she's a genius and her will shall be done no matter how stupid it sounds or looks like
Jessica Gao is guaranteed to die alone, in her apartment, not found or discovered for days, and no one will miss her or hold a funeral for her. Her and everyone like her, will end up like that. She will never learn from her mistakes and never grow as a person. I can't even hate someone so toxic and miserable, you already know how their life is going to end.
Which is hilarious because that episode was the beginning of the end for R&M
@@gingeranagram2467 The episode was based on joke from Twitter. A picture where they put Rick's face on a pickle. They really ran out of ideas.
That was weird
@@gingeranagram2467 tbh that episode was amazing
How I would have fixed She-Hulk:
1. Cast an actually tall, athletic woman to play She-Hulk, use practical effects to make her look even bigger compared to the other actors, and use CG to "Steve Rogers" her down to "Jen size." Why? Because, in the comics, Jen actually prefers her Hulk form and feels more confident as a Hulk, so she stays Hulk all the time.
2. Make THAT her story arc. In the beginning of the series, she hates being Hulk, and the series is about her accepting it and she becomes She-Hulk 24/7.
3. I like your idea about the Abomination case being one long arc. Let's keep that. Also, the complication that she may end up having to defend Wong as well for breaking Abomination out of prison.
4. Fewer 4th wall breaks. I know Jen does it in the comics, but the MCU just acquired Deadpool, so let's not overdo it.
5. Write an actually compelling character and story.
6. Hire a legal consultant for the court drama part of the story.
7. Don't. Let. She-Hulk. Twerk.
You also forgot not let her be a obnoxious, smart-ass, condescending, narcissistic, alcoholic feminazi.
Or as part of Haveing her accepting it
Have her work with banner to merge her hulk together
giving banner a reason to be in the show and a setup for a mentor style connection with him
Also, maybe have some actually funny jokes. And not shit on men every 20 seconds. And stop pretending that Jen is anywhere near as strong as Banner. And show her original backstory where she is recused.
I will rewrite this list
How to make she hulk better
1. Delete it
Can we add like her struggling to use an control her powers make her relatable more rage shit do a time skip or a montages. That's why I liked moon knight he struggled over time but slowly got better
So they’re just going to ignore that time the apple store employee called Steve Rogers a “specimen” as a compliment? Like, yeah, that’s fine, but when it happens to Jen (who repeatedly talks about Steve like a piece of meat), it’s a cardinal sin. Okay, cool.
Tbf the context is very obviously different. Its not perverted at all to compliment a bro whose obviously worked hard on his physique, and is going on a honeymoon with his hot wife (from the employee’s perspective). It was just a nerdy compliment from a somewhat socially awkward dude -
a response from Natasha’s sarcastic “you must be twins”
I don’t like she hulk, not trying to defend the show, but calling a woman a “specimen” on your first date is a creepy red flag in itself. It’s plain to see why Jen (or any self respecting woman) would be grossed out and even troubled by that remark, in that context.
A better comparison would be that one h*rny female officer in First Avenger who took advantage of Cap (who was clearly uncomfortable in the situation). Both the officer and “toxic man 3” had little regard for the respective main character and tried to take advantage of them, showing how easily both genders can be harassed. I appreciate that the early mcu at least tried to show a female taking advantage of a strong man like Cap bc that shit happens to everyone unfortunately
@@Luke_SkywaIker Whhhhat? You think calling a woman a 'specimen' is equal to groping and sexual assault? Opinion disregarded.
@@15thobserver tf where did he say that
@@vincesaenz2760 "A better comparison would be that one h*rny female officer in First Avenger who took advantage of Cap" You know, the one who groped and kissed him without his permission or prior interest? Thats S.A. and no its not 'a better comparison'. the better comparison was the one in the one espoused by the OP
@@Luke_SkywaIker I generally agree with what you're saying in this comment. But I do think the scene in CA:TFA proves there is a slight double standard. After all, unlike Jen - who gets to be angry about her sexual harrassment, Steve is victim-blamed, slut-shamed, and physically attacked by his love interest.
And we know that the Marvel writers don't think Peggy's reaction would be acceptable if the genders were reversed because in the same movie Steve also wrongfully assumes Peggy is involved with Howard and he doesn't attack her for it. They also don't have a role-reversal of this scene in the Captain Carter episode of the "What If" series.
They had a chance to have She-Hulk stand for true justice, exposing how the justice system is broken and her struggle to fight against the corruption, but no. How you look on social media, dating issues, celebrities and dealing with petty 1st world problems are exactly what you should expect from She-Hulk Attorney At Law.
let me pitch you an idea: She-Hulk Season 2 with a lot more Daredevil, this exact plot, Pheonix Wright and Saul Goodman as side characters and Monokuma as the villian!
Truly, a show written by women.
There is no version. Of SHE hulk that would work. Just stop
She-Hulk is the worst show ever made
Velma:allow me to introduce myself
She-hulk: "at last, our battle shall be legendary!"
@@ezroid7791 Queen Cleopatra: Weaklings....
@@l0sts0ul89 How dare you, it's a documentary!
@@Rudra0141 That's even worse💀
@@Rudra0141💀
i think its funny how one of the people who worked on this show worked on the annoying orange show on CN back in 2012
Well that explains why this garbage is so idiotically braindead.
...that explains literally everything
I feel that nowadays a lot of writers ruin things completely out of malice and envy.
As a non-binary bisexual goof I am severely disappointed at the new shows they just paint wrong messages about people to promote their own message while people just want entertainment. The new Velma show is goofy you ruined a show and removed scoob and shaggy for your own message Bruv
Misandry is the only driving force of out society
@@angeloryanguerzon7561 wait scooby’s not gonna be in the new show?
@@1Luhreezy yes, he doesn't exist
@@nohomonohetero7932 how tf they make a show about mystery inc without scooby??? Ts not adding up
It’s almost as if the writers knew exactly what they needed to write a good She Hulk series and just did the exact opposite
Rumor has it, the Loki show. That time agency is supposed to be Disney. The writers just taking subtle jabs at how working for Disney turns you into a NPC.
@@hectorrico8661 wooahh that's pretty interesting if that's true 😂
Didn't the writer said that she will anger fans in purpose because she wants to see the drama or some shit like that if I remember right?
And they somehow created a character that's more narcissistic than Patrick Bateman
I don't think so, they clearly don't know how to make She Hulk show. They don't understand the character and just turn her into something fit their propaganda.
When Jen told Bruce that she didn't have anger issues, i thought that it was part of her development. That by the end of the show, she would acept that she actually has anger issues, and learn that accepting that isn't a weakness, but a strenght.
But that didn't happen, even when the final episode had the perfect chance to do that, after Jen's violent reaction when Todd revealed all those videos.
i honestly believed the ending of the last before 8th episode would be a start of some sort of redemption arc
I thought that was what they were going for, especially at the penultimate episode when she got angry and lost everything because of it. Them the last episode was at age was wronged… and she Karen’s the writers to change the ending… the F!!
She didn’t say that. She said she used to controlling her anger due to dealing with catcalling and ish like that
@@CalebBerman thank you for your message. A little out of left field, but appreciated all the same. God bless you as well.
@@GreyKnight7777 it’s not that expectations where subverted. It’s that bad writing is grating. Ever hear of chekhov’s gun? Well if not neither did the writers. When the writers create a plot point, character thinks they have anger under control, to then show her life being trashed because of lack of control of anger. Then to have her fix it, not by actual character growth, but by complaining to the robot god who was never referenced before that point… it’s more then a missed opportunity. It’s nails to a chalkboard bad writing.
That office scene when Michael goes to Pam’s art show is truly written perfectly
The Office was such a great show. They really didn’t pull any punches with the writing and it paid off in the end. I loved how they pushed the envelope with that show and it was greatly-executed by the actors.
@@bradleye660yeah but they had to ruin it by making a office Australia reboot
Being a VFX artist working on a show like this sounds like hell on earth.
It was
@@MASTEROFEVIL damn were u one of them
@@jacobmatthews7524 Never worked for Marvel or Disney but I did do VFX one summer back when I was interning. It sucked
@@MASTEROFEVIL i can imagine, any kind of animation is something i would never want to do as a job, the conditions seem terrible
@@jacobmatthews7524 Believe they are. They really really are
The main issue with most of these female lead, writer self insert character stories revolves around one thing… They don’t get character arcs because that would force the writer to put her character(herself) down in some way. A character has to fall down in some way before they can raise back up. That’s the foundation of any good character arc, but it can never happen to any of these strong female characters because that would mean that first need to be knocked down, and the writers can’t have that.
you defined the problem in one short sentence "writer self insert character story"
self insert characters are always the need of an egocentric person to prove they are better than what they are.
and I know this because I'm no different than that. I have failed to write any decent story because I end self inserting myself as one of the main characters.
@@WilliamWizer I’ve never written anything to that extent, but I imagine it’s gotta be hard sometimes not to self insert in some way, even if it’s subconsciously.
@@ganjathegr8143 the problem isn't inserting yourself but inserting an idealized version of yourself because you tend to forget to insert your flaws too.
@@WilliamWizer Exactly. Character arc implies that there are lessons to be learned, experiences to be had, growth and personal development etc. Can’t really have any of those things if you’re a “Mary Sue” and there’s nothing more to add to your perfect character who knows everything. I think you worded everything excellently.
@@casadilla111 it's easy when you become able to see that your worst flaw is feeling you aren't allowed to have flaws (already working with my therapist about that)
I'm so glad essays like this exist, that way I don't have to actually watch the show
The immortal guy who jumped out of the window to get away from those women is a hero to me.
Fallout will come true soon enough
My friend got mildly annoyed I had a opinion about the show and the mcu's state as a whole when I hadn't watched any of the shows, im like that's what reviews are for, so I know whether a given show is worth my time. She said the only criticism she's heard of the show was from and I quote "misogynistic dudebros who can't stand to see a powerful woman" I have never heard something that caused me more pain than that statement, and I once dropped a rock the size of my liver on my finger when I was nine.
@@azaril7780 to be honest all of the criticism I've heard is about the lazy writing. Every single time it comes down to that. Now I'm not gonna hate on this show or tell people not to watch it. But if every critical mention of this show is how in order to make the main character less shitty they make every man around her at least twice as shitty, then I think we might just have a shitty show
@@TheHarryBalzonya exactly, you can have a powerful woman, look at half the damn xmen, several of dcs female heroes, this just ain't how you do it
Apparently comic book accuracy and respect to the original source material has gone out the Windu, thanks a lot society
Even windu got out the windu
Are we really living in a time where Minions: The Rise of Gru is one of the best things to come out this year!?
I wouldn’t say that. Sonic 2 and Batman were pretty great.
The Batman, Sonic 2, X, Pearl, Top Gun: Maverick, Dahmer, Everything Everywhere All At Once… definitely a few worthy features out there this year.
@@TheMovieCynic your not wrong
I was just saying that it’s rediculus that a show made by marvel is cinematic garbage, minions was the best example foe comparison to me
Alright now I know she hulk is garbage but sheesh now we’re just saying literally anything is better ? Or did she hulk lower the bar so much a minions move can be considered “one of the best things to come out this year”?
No.
Imagine if this show had character development, a good sound track and every episode wasn't about she hulk trying to get laid.
Ep 7 was good character development but the following eps kinda messed it up.
Imo breaking the fourth wall doesn't fit well to character development.
Welcome to near every TV show in the modern day..
@@oeny6040 I think you could show character development while breaking the fourth wall. I dare say it would make it easier, as the character has a chance to actively voice the change they've undergone, and show recognition of their past.
@@NicolasKiroy that's just monologuing no need to break the fourth wall to achieve it.
Edit: now that I think about it I would like to see monologuing while breaking the fourth wall, it's as if the character is directly talking to the viewers.
@@oeny6040 That's literally what I was talking about. As a tool, using the wall break to have a heart to heart with the audience, a moment of reflection, etc. You can achieve that with a monologue, but monologues are cheesy the majority of the time they're used. Same could be said for the fourth wall break, but some do it better than others.
She-Hulk is a show that will be forgotten and one I know I can be certainly glad to never have watched
What the heck is She-Hulk? Is it a show?
I'm still trying to figure out Why Anybody watched this show..
It couldn't have been Just for Daredevil, knowing they'd Butcher him too.
@@kmdreacts To see how bad it is lol
@@kmdreacts I watched it because it was fascinating. I make nothing but bad videos and yet somehow professions have done worse than me.
@@whateverkat8122 that seems like a Lot of work 😩
"you must be fun at parties"
This is always said when someone says something REALLY dumb and gets called out
I have the feeling that the new form of entertainment these days isn't really the product itself, but rather the controversy surrounding it.
At this point, I doubt anything would surprise me.
Agreed.
Deep truth.
Amen
The new form of entertainment is listening to UA-camrs shit on garbage movies and shows that we’re never gonna watch ourselves.
My mom isn't really into marvel stuff. She likes her crappy hallmark Christmas movies. But even she called me, and went on a rant about how terrible this show was. I was baffled that she was so upset with the show, because it's an honest, raw reaction for how someone feels about a piece of content.
It’s unreal how bad this show was… on all aspects
A show so bad that makes Hallmark movies look like Citizen Kane level of movie making.
What really made me uncomfortable was how Jen was talking about Steve. And that happened multiple times and she has his butt saved as phone wallpaper. And you don't even have to reverse the genders in this situation, it was just plainly disgusting.
I'm a woman but I agree as well, i found those scenes really creepy; shows the double standards
@@onceafetus426 Yeah, really gave me an ick. Imagine Moonknight doing this to Natasha...
@Danton I am sorry I don't understand that line xddd. But I am sure that there's plenty of those kind of lyrics, million sexist songs sung and written by both men and women.
@@onceafetus426
I wouldn't say double standard necessarily, because it seems most people agree it was creepy and weird. There certainly can be times where people unfairly treat issues between men and women but this one seems pretty universally understood as wrong
that and when she says she smashes Matt Murdock, which seemed like elevating him to just a piece of meat rather than respecting him as a person. If any man said said the same thing about Jen he would be called disgusting, and rightly so
I havent heard anyone talk about the fact that as a hulk her bodily fluids are radioactive and deadly to humans. She 100% killed every single perspn she got with. This is why bruce stays away from romance and is a crucial part of the burden that comes with his condition. It defines his character
I hate these shows like She-Hulk where they can only lift women up by demeaning and almost de-humanizing men
I can't stand feminist movies/shows for that reason. Don't let me rub you the wrong way, I think everyone should have equal rights no matter the gender, sexuality, race, etc, but they only thrive with convenient misogyny, incompetence or having an actually good man for their storyline. I acknowledge that a lot of men suck and some of these scenarios are real and valid, but they over exaggerate so much that it is unbearable to me.
Not to mention the fact that some of these movies make feminism their only plotline which is boring, dull and hard to watch
This show is a cautionary tale about what happens when you hire the wrong writer.
Or more to the point, when you let narcissists become writers for a TV show.
A lesson Hollywood is doing the opposite of learning nowadays
When Karens run show. These are another type of Karen's.
When you hire an all female writing staff unfamiliar with source material. They were hired because they all have an axe to grind with men who either don't give them a second look or leave after a few dates. Just one look at Gao tells you all you need to know about her.
@Ron Swanson lol exactly...like Olivia Wilde...made a movie on male patriarchy or something along those lines, which completely sucked,and when it failed she blamed Men for it 😂...not accepting the fact that her product geniunely sucked 🤡
I like how CGI in the 2000s and early 2010s are better than most of todays 😢
Expensive time-consuming CGI vs. Expensive mass-produced time crunch CGI with unreasonable deadlines and no pay to the actual animators.
The difference is lots of overtime and not being paid for it.
She hulk looks and is awful but tbf the cgi is better then alot of the stuff in the early 2000s not 2010s
@@shlurgledoo I couldn't get specific cause I was too lazy 4 months ago 🤕
@@Dewday1REAL Its alright I DIDINT KNOW YOUR COMMENT WAS 4 MONTHS OLD LMAO
I have to admit the "I'm a completely different person now" joke made me chuckle
I have never seen any form of media that holds the writers insecurities and hatred so tight to its core that it feels like you can see through the content into their mind without deeper analysis. This show is honestly astounding in how it managed to accomplish that.
Must really suck to hate all men on such a visceral level, yet still be attracted to us.
Velma would like a word lol
@@EWlTZ Tbh it feels like Velma is just more honest about it, but has the same opinions behind it.
What's truly astounding is the raw and naked insecurities of so many dudes that this show has revealed. 😂
@@dougcrump3581 Hope she sees this bro
I just fucking love the observation of Camile Vasquez being this universally loved lawyer (woman of color) while they talk about how hard it is to be a female lawyer, and then simultaneously saying they dont know shit about law or lawyers.
I agree with you but it is hard as a woman in that field, that’s just how it is :/ Camille Vasquez is a badass tho
And the woman who defended Heard was loved?
Who knows Goa might’ve been siding with Heard during the trial.
@@bibi-bi9qu Speaking from experience?
@@bibi-bi9qu Camille was a pilot of Zeta Gundam after all
The fact that the writers even mention the online haters, and the very on-the-nose Doomcock reference is proof positive that it has truly gotten under their thin skin. A thing of beauty to witness.
Who is doomcock?
Who is doomcock?
The one who constantly leaks Disney's internal issues
bro typed out a whole paragraph to cope with the fact that a show got under his skin 💀💀💀
@@superspies32 actually: the guy who imagines Disney's internal issues, then presents his imagination as a leak.
Hold on there bucko! Rings of Power and Willow are defiantly in the conversation
Even though this video is 34 minutes long, it was compendious and accurate. The lead actress-as talented as she is, couldn’t save this show.
And then she doubled down on the BS.
I'm still yet to see her talent, what are you seeing that I'm not?
@@ironmatto3 dude so many people keep talking about it including Drinker himself but idk what they’re talking about.
She’s objectively terrible.
@@fersuvious she did a really good job of playing such a shitty and narcissistic character, or that could be her real personality and she wasn't acting, you never know
I love when people call me a 40 year old happily married man an “incel” because I don’t like a tv show because it has an unlikeable main character and bad writing / acting and written by activists to send a message and not to just make a quality show (like how the Netflix daredevil show was).
It’s like “incel” now a days just means “person who doesn’t agree with me” as well as “troll” these words have lost their meaning.
Just out of curiosity but what does incel meant originally?
LOL
"Incel" these days is the same with the word "woke", irrelevant words caused by overexposure and the constant misusing
@@georgeray1906 Involuntarily Celibate. It's essentially calling out angry nerds who can't get laid. It used to reference fat ugly perverts gaming in their parents' basement who think all women are against them. It used to be a derogatory term toward someone who never took charge of their own life and blames the world for their problems.
Ironic...
@@georgeray1906 involuntary celibate, someone no one wants to have sex with usually because that person is incredibly ugly, unlikable, or both.
Reminder that Jennifer never apologized to her cousin about her belittling of him and his experiences in Episode 1, and probably rewrote the memories of Bruce and everyone involved in this show in order to avoid doing that, or any consequences.
She even doubled down in that episode and said she was "right".
Very noble character, right?
@@INFILTR8US are you a fucking retard as well as a sexist?
@@INFILTR8US eh
Why would she appologize for telling him the truth
@@MarStoryTime she was right
I have a theory. Maybe Jen only runs into the worst guys because she’s just such a foul and despicable person herself and like attracts like and all. Or maybe it’s an “if you go outside and you meet an asshole, you met an asshole, but if you go outside and everyone’s an asshole, you’re an asshole” situation.
Maybe that was what they were trying to say all along.
I promise you the writers are not that intelligent or self aware
@@Werewolf.with.Internet.Access But…but… No one can be that unselfaware, right? …right?
P- Please…please tell me they don’t suck that hard. Please…
@@coconutcore I don't really care about the show, but I like your optimism
Lesson from the She Hulk Finale: Don't like your plot in life? It's ok, just whine until you're given what you want.
I think that was suppose to be about how the mcu is repetitive and messy Idk how you got that out of it
That's an Oof
@Easton Earl idc it was funny
@@mamajeans8966 🤡
@@mamajeans8966 Don't listen to them. FemceIs who hang out on FDS forums also find it funny.
Tim Roth given 100% for The Incredible Hulk but here he don't give any shit whatever happens.
After watching She-Hulk, my respect for Edward Norton's Hulk increased.
Much respect to Ruffalo but the Ed Norton version and look was better imo. The university scene against the military is the epitome of Savage Hulk. Underrated movie
@@mikewright8304 I always felt Nortons Hulk was great. And I thought Mark was good at first but after Ragnarok I was like “okay I’m out.”
@@Sci-Fi_Freak_YT Yea Ruffalo was excellent in the first Avengers film, especially the way he played Bruce. The socially awkward, depressed, embarrassed to be who he is, etc... that's the one time I felt he played the role perfectly.
@@anthonyanderson9303 same 👍
“It’s not the best MCU show - but I appreciate the MCU trying something new” - *The Average MCU Fan* that can never muster up harsh criticism for a Marvel property.
Don’t forget the classic “oh it wasn’t for me but I still enjoyed it, I just can’t understand the hate! Don’t like, don’t watch”
Nothing annoys me more than that deflection
When they get super-hyped up over a small cameo like dude, DD was done dirty in She-Hulk and you know it.
Stop being a shill 😂
Every once in a while I find myself in one of the mainstream Marvel comments sections. It's alarming. I'm not making fun of the fans, I'm just shocked at how ironically bad mainstream Marvel fans are at reading the room. They would probably say that the people calling out wokeness are "incels" who don't do well socially, but the average person has long since decided that Marvel has problems. The die hard fans are completely behind the times on this stuff. Warning bells were breaking out of flashing red enclosures months ago trying to call attention to the collapse of the MCU and some fans are oblivious to it. It's started canabalizing the nostalgia created by lots of the original films to power the low effort TV shows and that's the last thing that a fan would normally want. If they aren't careful, "Marvel" could become a hated household word.
@@matthewmosier8439 I somewhat agree. But because I really liked Wandavision, am I apart of the problem? Wouldn’t it be more wise for both sides of the isle to come together to voice genuine concerns for the franchise, rather then just clown on each other and not take others opinions seriously? That’s a lot of what I’m seeing in the comments, and personally I think that’s just as unhelpful as the die hard fans who can’t critique anything.
@@cosmo588 I agree there should be a happy medium. I think you should be able to watch something from Marvel, enjoy it, but also not allow them to insult your intelligence just because it’s Marvel. I think that’s the main issue, would they defend it so vigorously if it didn’t have the Marvel tag attached to it?
If I had a nickel for every time where a show on a streaming service was bad I would have… holy f'ck this is a lot of nickels
I couldn't believe the vitriol and hatred poured onto this series. So I went and watched 3 whole episodes. It's unbelievable. I can't imagine how many steps in the processes of movie industry must be compromised to hallow this brain damage to happen.
Wtf are y’all talking about 🤣🤣 she hulk stands up fine
@@joermcconnor7331 Hope she sees this bro
@@joermcconnor7331 k paid npc bot desperate to defend trash from the light of reality
Modern writters really used the 'meta joke' tool to its limits, there is really nothing worse than a "see, how bad our show is? Even we know it".
How about making a good show? That would definitelly subvert my expectations.
This show.... I honestly couldn't even stomach to finish it but the clips I have seen.... Wow..
Especially the finale.... It's almost like they're trying to make shehulk look bad on purpose and then gaslighting the consumers into thinking they're the problem.
I honestly don't even know what to say
I find it interesting that they’re attacking the fans for disliking the show, effectively saying “it’s awesome, you’re just misogynistic idiots”, and then are apparently quietly restructuring phase 5 and 6 due to criticism. Sounds like a video needs to be made about that.
@@TheMovieCynic I would love to watch a video of you talking about that!
I'm just still baffled at how delusional they are. Do they have dementia? I'm seriously rhetorically asking 😖 Videos like yours are the only entertaining thing about these dumb shows.
Maybe they're using these shows to launder money or something. I dunno lol
@Alteori
That's almost literally what Jessica Gao did; someone who has serious issues and baggage, who decided to literally waste millions of dollars of her employer's money to "troll the audience," in one big giant therapy coping session for herself and all her equally misandrist writers (as well as literally having a giant therapy session for herself and writers in the actual show.) And Marvel Studios, since they let them do it, deserved to lose all that money. But the character of She Hulk didn't deserve to be destroyed like this, and the audience didn't deserve this level of hate, either.
It's actually poetic, because like most feminists, they unintentionally ended up hating women and female characters almost as much as intentionally hating men and male characters. Anyone who could write a female character this badly has to hate women.
@@TheMovieCynic Have you done that video??? If so, haven’t seen and would enjoy watching. She-Hulk cannot be put on screen ever again. It simply doesn’t fit. It’s beyond a joke to see She-Hulk and Kamala as part of main Avengers team in Kang Dynasty. Pure cringe.
I couldn't even last the first 5 minutes of the first episode
Jumping up and down on broken glass with bare feet would be less painful
"Ignomy" would have been a better word than "anti-glory"....which ain't even a word....🤷♂️
When Batgirl was axed by WB, saying that it was brand damaging, I actually wanted to watch it to know what a brand damaging movie will look like.
Now I know.
People forget originally she was white, then recast as a bw. Then kept snowballing downhill. Why make a big budget movie of that?
I bet you BG was slightly better than this. At leasr Zaslav has some sense of shame.
"She-Hulk is the worst show ever made"
*Velma:* Hold my beer
Tim Allen: hold my Maga hat
*Megamind Rules!* : Hold my dehydration gun
That office scene literally makes my eyes water. This show can only dream of anything resembling that.
Fun fact: this was the only Marvel tv show that I started but never actually finished
Damn my compulsive need for closure...😭
I find it hilarious that, when one upping Hulk, he throws the rock with just a wrist flick while she puts her whole arm and back into it and only gets a few feet farther. Then she celebrates thinking she did something. It's like the director snuck a little F U in to the writers and they were too dumb to notice.
I think a far better comparison than The Office would be Peacemaker.. He's a dude that has some bad personality defects, from his upbringing and other factors, but at his core, he is a good person and genuinely wants to be a hero.
Throughout the show's first season, we learn where he came, how rotten his father is, the trauma from his past, and how all of that molded him into the person he is, but also it shows him grow and learn from both his victories and his failures, and in the end he finds redemption. He's still not perfect, but he comes a long way, gaining friends, developing clearer morals and values, rising above his villainous father's abuse, and becoming the hero he had always sought to be.
On top of all of that, the show was fucking hilarious.. Basically every thing She-Hulk did terribly, Peacemaker did it right.
But Peacemaker is from the master James Gunn
@@arturocastroverde3349 very true
@@arturocastroverde3349 give james gunn the she-hulk IP and watch the magic happen
Well to be fair if Movie Cynic actually used Peacemaker as a comparison with She-Hulk then it would've been more like a curbstomp battle.
@@georgeray1906 You definitely have a point there.
When the writers of a show featuring a lawyer as the main character said they had no idea how to do courtroom anything, you knew it was gonna be a one in a kind show.
But the writers were females, and they know everything
0:55 imagine seeing a person who stopped a leviathan in one punch being thrown to the ground after a clap from its female counter part
The last episode felt like something out of Deadpool without the comedy or charm of Deadpool
What charm or comedy? I have no love for she hulk or Disney at all but Deadpool is only funny or charming to 12 year olds and crayon eaters. 4th wall breaks, swearing and being wacky and random isn't comedy
@@AlexRye-sv6no Go back to 4chan incel
"None of these storylines make any sense!"
You literally just summed up the entirety of The Falcon and the Winter Soldier.
What's wrong with Falcon and the Winter Soldier?
@@leonrobinson8180 So much. Red Devilosa Reviews has more information and he says it far better than I ever could, so watch his content.
Sums up every show in phase 4 😕
@@k7l3rworkman97 You're so right that it's not even funny.
Facts
That moment with Michael buying Pam's picture was also even more poignant because he has been established as a man with no filter. We know that he is being absolutely sincere in how much he loves her work and the pride that he has in seeing her work.
With a character like Jen we would assume she was just being nice.
i'm a woman and i hate this show sooo fucking much. i'm a massive feminist, equality, pronoun, lgbt type, and trust me even we hate it. i genuinely don't understand who this is made for except women who hate men and think all women are perfect all the time and can do no wrong. it pisses me off that she hulk got this treatment bc shes actually such a fun character, and it pisses me off that the writers think that in order to lift her into the light, they have to shit on hulk, who is a far bigger legend than she ever will be
Critical Drinker: "Nahh,it will be fine"
🤣🤣🤣🤣
His making Cameo's everywhere now😂
Ironic that She-Hulk is one of the most beloved superheroines in Marvel comics, but the show made her one of the most hated.
No it didn’t, at least for me. Just like Teen Titans Go didn’t make me hate the Teen Titans
By that I mean, it made me appreciate the previous, better-written incarnations
Because some comic characters simply don’t translate to big screen.
@@jayw3512 except that this was a tv show
@@Animestar21 Any screen.
Well, if it worked for Deadpool, there was no reason She-Hulk couldn't work
The problem was the people making it
The writers literally self inserted themselves into the show, and not the several times they gave themselves cameos like at the awards show.
Oh man I’m gonna love this channel , great content to binge. You literally hit the nail on the head with everything 🤯 much appreciated sir
It’s everything wrong with the mcu in one show. It’s like they did it on purpose
It planned to do it in purpose "dats da joke... bigot!"
everything wrong with phase 4, shows mcu should of ended with end game
They did do it on purpose. They want to "stick it" to people who don't like it by deliberately making something horrific and then sit back and act it like it proved something.
It's bizarre and psychotic. Funded by Disney.
When I saw Bob's Burgers I thought they tried to write the worst show ever on purpose. She Hulk makes that look like The Sopranos.
@@kyotheman69 No, the commentor does not need correction. its had the same problems since p1 and endgame quite literally made it worse.
Also, She-Hulk somehow manages to ruin the worldbuilding of the MCU even more by repealing the Sokovia Accords, which renders the Civil War film entirely meaningless now. You'd think that, after the events of Phase 4, the UN would want even more regulations and restrictions placed on superpowered individuals, because in the eyes of the average person, they clearly can't control themselves. And after what Wanda did in Westview - *_enslaving an entire town of over 3,000 people_* - and what Jennifer did in Episodes 6 and 8, which was start a fight at a *wedding reception hall* and *destroy the top level of a parking garage and multiple cars,* public opinion of superpowered individuals would be *down.*
And now this finale has made the entirety of She-Hulk season 1 pointless.
Kingdom Hearts: Chain of Memories and Kingdom Hearts 2 somehow take the idea of fucking with people's memories more seriously than the MCU, now.
The Sokovia Accords wouldn't have lasted anyways and it would be impossible to enforce it over a long period of time. I'm glad they did away with it.
@@MovieGuy666 No, they would. And the fact that they did away with it in such a shitty manner shouldn't be something you're glad about. These superpowered individuals have the potential to hurt thousands of people, if not more, and you think it's a good thing that the governments of the world have _no say_ in what those individuals do?
@@MovieGuy666 The Sokovia Accords would have been an effective mine for character drama, especially since they want to bring in the X-Men who have many stories built around mutants, who are super powered individuals, being profiled, registered, and hunted down.
You also had the potential of background organizations like Hydra or Shield repurposing Stark's tech to create an enforcement system for helping handle super powered individuals.
There was a lot of narrative conflict that could have been used to make something, be it referencing comic content or making something new to fit the MCU.
I am consistently appalled at the kind of dialogue that comes out of shows like this. "I love harassing women at the work place" is fucking legendary lmao. I guarantee that's never come out of a person's mouth genuinely. I'm sure it's crossed a person's mind. But literally declaring it to a room of nothing but women? Seriously? Lmao
that was a shapeshifter who wanted to mess with anything and everything so it makes sense she would say that lol
I heard a guy say once, “we were just talking about women, and how we don’t respect them and only have sex with them.” But he was shitfaced and he said it super awkward, like you could tell he didn’t know why he was saying it. This was at a college party about ten years ago. Anyway that’s all I got.
It reminds me of old people trying to write teenaged characters. It’s just so out of touch and literally no teenager actually talks like that lol
It’s funny because Hollywood used to make strong female leads better than they have in recent years. It’s almost like when they specifically try to make them a strong female boss bitch, they fail, but when they didn’t really try and were just focused on making a decent movie, they succeeded. Lara Croft is a good strong female character because they focused on making a good movie and character, and didn’t focus on the fact that she was a women. She went through trials and hardships, she wasn’t insufferable and immediately amazing at everything. I just don’t understand how people nowadays think that these “strong females characters” are good. I would NEVER want my daughter to look up to a female character who puts men down, is completely obsessed with herself past the point of general confidence, is born amazing at fighting or whatever and never had to work for it. A good lesson would’ve been if She Hulk did allow Hulk to help her. Boom, teaches kids and everyone that you can’t immediately be great at everything, and seeking help from people with more experience than you is invaluable. But no, teach them to be conceded assholes who never have to work for anything and overshadow every male no matter what.
The fact that the short clip from the office almost brought me to tears proves that Hollywood is creatively bankrupt.
I’ll never get sick of people crapping on she hulk
And I’ll never get sick of dunking on it
I almost sobbed at that Michael and Pam moment with her drawings
Cried bro. Ngl
Same here man, so heartwarming
I think that made me not like she hulk even more. Micheal is a mess… but in that moment we got to see the bright-gentle human soul underneath. She Hulk has nothing like this to redeem her
I really hate the fourth wall breaking stuff. Deadpool being shoved down our throats in the mid 2010s ruined it for everyone else
Scrubs is a light hearted show. But when they talk about serious stuff it is impactful and amazing. The Janitor spending a whole day with a patient that was paralyzed was so good I still rewatch it to this day.
Same can be said about MASH. It’s a comedy for the most part, but isn’t afraid of pulling out the emotional and serious stuff, which makes sense since it takes place in the middle of a war.
That's because the writers are good and knew how to write without being heavy-handed.
@@henrydupree8412Goddamn, M*A*S*H is so good. If they try to do a modern reboot of that one, I will fucking riot.
THANK U LIKE SCRUBS IS ONE OF MY FAV SHOWS. It gives us of a nice balance of comedy and drama with the blend of just trying to figure out what they're talking about via doctor language
"Then he turned himself into a pickle funniest shit I've ever seen" I think she let that gone into her head
At least the end of that episode had some interesting character analysis 😭 I’d give ANYTHING for the therapist monologue to be in this show
"Just try and remember whose show this actually is."
Strange; I've been trying to forget this show existed at all!
I love how the most rewatch part is when hulk was on screen 😂
This show feels like it was a writing-by-committee fanfic, but the committee was Twitter.
Beautiful video that touches RIGHT on the subject matter at hand, especially around the 10:00 mark. There's a wild misunderstanding in Hollywood writing these days that the only way to get an audience to connect with movie characters, they have to relate to them by means of gender, race, or sexual orientation. This is not true. A man can watch Alien and find ways to connect to Ellen Ripley, just like a woman can watch a Spider-Man movie and relate to Peter Parker. Sadly, the writers of today can't understand this. Excellent video! Gave it a thumbs up!
THIS.
I've also seen the misunderstanding affect Japanese media, in this case, the new Mobile Suit Gundam show. Witch from Mercury is made by and for people who don't get Gundam.
The concept of a female protagonist however, SHOULD have worked because Mobile Suit Gundam has tons of memorable female characters in the franchise. Sayla Mass from the original show? Marida Cruz from the Unicorn OVA? Cagalli Yula [Atha] from SEED? All of these characters could be relatable to male viewers, just like how Amuro Ray, Banagher Links and even Kira Yamato could be rooted for by women.
However, Witch from Mercury didn't get this, and instead, under the belief that "GUNDAM IS FOR OLD FOLKS SO LET'S UPDATE IT FOR MODERN AUDIENCES!", decided to make a High School Lesbian Romance, which is just UUUUUGH... so frustrating and hateful. It's quite telling that now, the fanbase is suffering from an invasion of fake "fans" who misunderstand the franchise like how the staff do, and that there's no safe haven. Witch from Mercury used the Hollywood woke misunderstanding, and it is damaging the franchise.
@@NebLleb Well said it!
@@NebLleb I don't get the complaint here, You say that female protagonist would work and they made a show with them. How is that an issue?
@@criccode2993 NO, They did it WRONG, you nutter!
Rather than just making a show with a female protagonist, they decided to trick fans into watching something that foresook the DNA of the franchise for something far worse. They made it about IDENTITY and REPRESENTATION rather than STORYTELLING.
@@NebLleb Well its been only 3 episodes out of 25+ so I would hold back on criticism about story telling. It has only set up the basic premise of the show and have not done anything bad yet.
Identity and representation are very welcome in any show as a theme so I am happy to see them. We will have to see what they do with these and then we can criticise them. I do not believe that there is any problem with the concept of this show, and you should keep an open mind while watching this show.
“Trying to appease those peoples who don’t even watch it” pretty much sums it all up.
2023: She-Hulk is The Worst Show Ever Made.
2024: THe Acolyte: "Hold my Green Milk".
I'm not a homosexual person but I still find it kinda insulting that the show represents almost every gay character as the same? Like, it's like they turned the term homosexual into a personality (which is literally just being feminine and shit) rather than what it is, a sexuality
And that's not even a problem in just this show, it's literally a problem in everything
Yeh, that was my issue when I saw the designer dude... fkin insulting. I may bottom with my man, but I dont walk around with my hand up, talking like a walking stereotype and dangling my hips. This show managed to denigrate everyone.
@@AnonningAnon yeah, I'm surprised people aren't talking more about this, it seems to be a trope now which, well, it's pretty insulting, considering that this is not how gay people act (I know that there are a few that do but to assume that it's every single one is ridiculous)
The Token Gay Character is becoming another box to check with each series. Another aspect that makes these properties so regressive.
Titania stood out to me. For how bad she was depicted. She's supposed to be a major villain to she-hulk. In episode 1 she smashes through a wall and has a quick fight with she-hulk. No one knows why she showed up or what she was doing there. Then she copyrights the she-hulk name and sells some products. Villain behavior at it's best 😂She finally has 1 last fight with she-hulk at the wedding and again, no one really knows why she is the villain or dislikes she-hulk. Ultimately us "toxic fans" were the real villain because the showrunner told us so. I guess this is why the actual villain character in the show had no backstory at all, barely any lines, and only appeared a handful of times over the 9 episodes. My 9 year old nephew could've written a better show. This was absolutely awful in every way imaginable.
I also noticed She-Hulk's body count. I counted 4 guys in a very short period of time. Which means she would've been stacking up 40-50 bodies in a year. Never in my life have I heard a guy refer to a hot hick as "it." I'm older and grew up at a time where if someone did that say no one would be offended and it might even have gotten a laugh. I grew up around some guys that maybe would say something like that. Yet when drunk of out their minds I still never heard anyone say this. One last thing, all the cameos, I noticed this b4 the 1st episode even aired and told multiple friends the show NEEDS these cameos from bigger more well know characters to help carry it and that's an enormous red flag. There is a reason Marvel picked this show to do Daredevil's 1st appearance in the MCU. The 1st Tom Holland Spider-man did this because Marvel wasn't sure Holland could carry the movie plus he wasn't known to American audiences. So they brought in RDJ to help carry it. This made sense but RDJ was the only cameo and it turns out Holland was fantastic and probably didn't need RDJ in that film.
Yeah as a woman never heard a man refer to a woman as “it”
Bro, for real. That's another character this series screwed up besides She-Hulk herself. Titania is essentially the Joker to She-Hulk's Batman, yet they treat her like an inconvenient nuisance at best, which is insulting.
@@bibi-bi9qu it’s a caricature of objectification. That’s the point. Of course men aren’t that over the top about it in real life, but objectification is real.
And it’s fine. And it’s fine for women to feel annoyed by it. And it’s fine to make a comedy show for women to vent their frustrations.
It doesn’t mean you think men are bad.
@@darkstar4494 what a dense take
@@knight808. A thoughtful critique of my position, I’ll consider it carefully.
Don't bring up The Office lol, that's unfair on so many levels lol
You earned a subscriber immediately just for dropping the Tourette’s Guy in the first few minutes.
Wow…that 4th wall break was awful! It looked so jarring!
As I was typing it, you said it…I’m posting it anyway 😂
I think the amount of good Camille did for male victims of female abuse is incredible, I never even thought about the Me Too movement as a full-time father who experienced years of abuse with no escape because of the custody double standard, and the abuse double standard's prevalence. Women are always stereotyped as better parents even when the dad raises his daughter 100% alone. Women are always stereotyped as the victims of domestic abuse, even when the man is bleeding from the nose with a fat swollen lip after being punched repeatedly in the face while sitting there and taking it. A man can get beat up without provocation without fighting back and still get arrested more often than the actual criminal when that criminal is a female. And when a child growing up alone with an abuser like that is at stake, and custody laws give children to mothers so frequently, I would take a million times the physical abuse to save my daughter from being targeted. Its an escapable. And Camilla helped Johnny not just because Amber was the abuser, but even more so because Amber was the abuser AND the accuser! That sentiment is beyond f'd up, and creates a beyond unlivably painful life situation for the true victim.
Yes I hated that comment - setting the metoo movement back? WTF?? That sounded really sexist to me and made me cringe so hard ...
Abuse victims are abuse victims. It was a major win for anyone suffering from domestic violence and men need vindication as much as women. WTAF Movie Cynic?
OH! and so sorry that happened to you! Dx
actually during custody, 94% of times when men filed for custody over their children they got it. The court doesn't favour women in custody its just that men don't file for custody in the first place because they don't wanna take care of their own children. Quite a big misconception
@@RED-my9hl got a source for that stat?
@@RED-my9hl Where is this statistic from? source please.
By the way, it isn't that men don't file for custody. The system is built around not giving them custody. If a man has a child with a woman, and isn't there to sign the birth certificate, then custody automatically goes to the woman. If the woman wants to, she can quickly sign the birth certificate, or even refuse to share it with the man, because she has the power over the birth certificate when their child is born. If a man isn't married to a woman, then custody automatically goes to the woman. The man has guardianship, but does not have legal custody even if they sign the birth certificate.
And their sounds like some mysogyny in your words when you phrase them like, "men don't file because they don't wanna take care of their own children." Because I am a man and my daughter's only parent, while her mother goes off doing heroin, smoking crack, prostituting herself, every terrible influence that I refuse to let my little girl see her birth mother engaging in. Yet she can still come back home and terrify me by threatening to take her away because SOMEHOW she still has custody. I do not do drugs, do not drink, and fully devoted myself to my daughter the day I fell in love with her, the day she was born. I even home school her just to build a stronger bond and be able to give her the 1 on 1 attention that schools of 30 unfortunately can never give a student. She learns at an astronomical rate compared to when I was in public school I cannot believe it and at 5 she is where I was in 3rd grade. But I did notice that the home schooling community is almost entirely made up of women. But the thing is that neither men nor women are bound by their biology, gender and genetics to be either ABLE or UNABLE to raise their child with unconditional and undying love and devotion; its a choice that requires the openness to learn and complete devotion to your child's wellbeing and trust me, there are degenerate women and degenerate men alike. And I would die the most painful death imaginable a million times over if it meant protecting my daughter, so don't even try to tell me "men don't want anything to do with their children, they are all pigs" because I am my own man undefined by anyone or anything else but the love for my daughter!
@@RED-my9hl your claim doesn't pass the eye test. I'm sure there is some doctored up stat that makes the situation look better than it is. I've never seen men running around impregnating as many baby mamas as possible to collect a paycheck. I have seen a lot of women do just that.
You are so creative and funny. Loved this.
The MoCritical madness was a real time glimpse into the factual reality of gaslighting.
His initial criticism was exclusively for the twitter crap Velmuh was typing. Yet, the instant gut reaction from who I would assume is his audience is to assume he means Velma's intense new tan. They have been conditioned to assume the worst intentions of every interaction. It sucked watching him flounder trying to to figure out if they were simply fckn with him or doing the sjw fingerwag.
Well yeah, because if you charitably interpret someone you disagree with, you might have to actually consider they might have a valid criticism!
If I can’t handwave away all my perceived opponents.. what’s the point, man?
The best part is when he said he is convinced that they are actually racists and it’s true, they think about race far more than the people they call racists
I hate people. I used to like people.
“Think of all the things She Hulk brings to the table, and those were the best options”
*the things* : being an awful lawyer, an even more awful superhero, and an even more awful human being
*the best option* : a guy who helps kids with cancer, is young, jacked, handsome and his drawback was not liking it when he got catfished, for which he was extremely polite at that.
he wasn't catfished
Yeah my wife said the same about the show. We kept our kids away from it.
She Hulk and this show is a bad role model for girls. All men are not like this. It's all about hating men.
And they changed She Hulk origin too. She was dying and Bruce gave her his blood.
fr its disgusting to try to get girls to start fearing or hating all men. like what???? u rlly cant be happy in life if u hate half the population
They changed it cause this show is only about empowering women so they will never show a woman needing help from a man cause they're better than everyone all of a sudden
His ass jumped out that tho...lmbo. He was like, I can't be a part of this ish...giggle...lmbo
Mr immortal jumping out the window is the only time I laughed
And I completely understood his motivation, unlike any other character in the show.
"Get me tf out of here"
The reaction was so genuine lmao
😂😂😂😂
I have a sneaking suspicion that the writers were extremely insulated females who never actually experienced these various stylizations of men. Merely, they were romanticizing being a victim because that’s what they heard it’s like when men actually show interest because these women have never actually had a man interested in them to begin with, sad.
Obviously
I’ll get on board with that
I watched the head writer of this movie interview and I HATE her already😂
Daaaamn.
DAMN! you just dropped a nuclear BOMB on the writer LMAO
I couldn't watch more than episode 1. I then immediately canceled Dis+. I was fed up with all the man-hate by Disney. I like both of my fathers, they are dear to me. This endless anti father crap needs to end bad. Those writers need therapy. Also ty for watching it all and reviewing it. I know the struggle was real and it was appreciated.
I made through 3 episodes and I’ve never seen worse TV. Ever. She-Hulk belongs in comics only. She does look like Gumby. She looks stupid.
Yea I got rid of Dinsey plus after 2021 when every single show was just a woke agenda with terrible writing/plot. Only way change will come is to stop giving them money.
not the quick cut to brokeback mountain when talking about comradery basically HAHAH
I LOVED that movie "Everything Everywhere All At Once". And i enjoyed how they reversed traditional gender roles with her husband and didn't do it in such a ham fisted way.. to the point that I bet most of you didn't even notice they did it. 90s Star Trek (TNG & DS9) also did it very well.
17:20 this is the same problem I have with the Harley Quinn show. If a male character isn't an ally, he's written as stupid, pathetic, an asshole, or a combination of the three. None of the men can be good without any of those properties attached in some way.
Sometime Its like jessica gao is putting in the serie everything that she wanted to happen to her like everyone telling she is amazing and every men around her is just a bad person. It can happen a lot when you write a story and then you realize you just made a character based on yourself
Idk who this show was even for. I’m a feminist and propping up any gender over the other is no way to exist.
when i was like 7 i wrote a comic where the characters from a star trek show (i forget which one but me and my dad watched it all the time) were all furbies and i recently found the notebook i drew it in. my NINE YEAR OLD FURBY TREK COMIC made me laugh more than she hulk. i also loved the part about social commentary not being a bad thing altogether and i really appreciate you including your girlfriend’s opinion, i think those were great points