This SIMPLE thing makes POWERFUL Ebikes Legal? ft. Crazybird Jumper
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- This SIMPLE thing makes POWERFUL Ebikes Legal? ft. Crazybird Jumper
This is the Crazybird Jumper. A 750w ebike capable of reaching 30mph. Most would agree that this electric bike is not legal. But it comes without a throttle and is HARD limited to 15.5mph and therefore a much lower wattage. So does this mean the Crazybird jumper and other ebikes with similar features are also legal? Let's take a look.
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I am 67 yrs old and if it wasn't for my beloved ebike I would hardly venture out, this thing is a new lease of life for me and must be for loads of others, yes the laws and Police can say and do what they want but I,m not giving my ebike up for no one.
@Anti-dotardTeam-nb1cv Yes the pesky common chav bombing about on their souped up surrons ruining it for the rest of us, that's great you built your own bike, hope you have lots of fun on it and take care out there. Good luck.
Nice. And luckily i reckon you'd be left to it 👍👍
@Anti-dotardTeam-nb1cv that bike sounds awesome 👌
They will have to pry my e-bike from my cold dead hands! Lol. Game changers!
If the police tried to chase me through my town I would embarrass them so fast lol. Lived and biked around here for 21 years now I know every alley and hiding space I could go. That being said it's always the same 3 or 4 of them driving around and they like my bike even though it's 5x the power allowed.
Great review and reflection on the current ebike laws. Back in 1994 I reviewed the Sinclair Zike and I was then blown away by the potential... 30 years later and it's blatantly obvious that governments across the world do not want to promote anything that is a threat to their taxing revenue... although they have been increasing the cost of electricity to eventually bring it in line with potential lost fuel duty revenue. These past three years have proved the blatant contempt they have. They are now proposing a blitz on any ebike/escooter "law" breaker and once they have finalised the rental agreements for storage there will be mass seizures... Assuming the potential offender actually stops. Keep an eye on the media peddling criminal activities on ebikes as a justification.
Cheers! Is that the one where the motor is connected to the tyre and pushes the wheel around by pushing the tyre?
Don't forget all the lethal house fires!!
I’ve got a Trek 2019 Powerfly 4 and what i’ve done is drilled a hole in the left hand pedal arm and fitted the magnet from the rear wheel to that pedal arm then move the speed sensor on the chain stay closer to the down tube so the magnet passes the sensor and boom there you have it, a genuine 40mph mountain bike that keeps up with traffic no problem 👌👌👌
Two issues there - one is insurance and legality - but that's the risk you take. The second one is potentially bigger is that the Bosch (supplier of many of the motors and batteries) can detect when a bike has been tampered with when a diagnostic is run. Happened to someone I know and they shut down his battery at great expense.
I believe the Bosch program in the shop, and in the app for the gen 4, will indeed block your motor....so be sure not to update the software.
@@JohnONeill12 Who cares and one why would you take it to Bosch ? and two it’s not chipped i’m just using the crank for the speed censor instead of the rear wheel so it doesn’t show up.
@@velokernow3696 I’ve had the motor updated, it’s not chipped so it doesn’t show up. I’m just using the crank for the speed censor instead of the rear wheel, it runs just like it would normally but much faster.
Just pointing it out. I am sure you can work it out yourself.@@SharonD369
The 15.5mph limit is pathetic as we all pedal faster than that, Even a non ebike will ride faster so the law needs reviewing.
If not ALL cars and trucks will have to be speed limited. So your new corvette will top out at 70 mph
Im fortunately not bothered by the local police, they actually ask more questions out of curiosity than legality.
Im a 66 year old invalid, my e bike is a large part of my independence.
Long may it continue.
Love that you get left alone. If all sensible riders and people who obviously benefit from ebikes are left alone I'd be very happy. Luckily this is the case for the vast majority 🤟👍
@@e-VRC my comment was intentional. Be sensible, act responsibility get the guy who is supposed to enforce the law on the same wavelength .
We all win, whatever the written law.
I'm no angel, I still ride like a hooligan, just not around town. ,😉
Sounds like me 😂
Cycling hard on my gw20 I turned in to an entrance that had a speed trap. Cop stopped me. Was intrested in bike I commented I thought I was in trouble. No says he I clocked you at 32 mph but by god you were pedalling like the clappers. I’m 65 not in great shape. Wear proper hi vis and helmet with lights on day and night. Only interaction with police is admiration of my bike
@@garymurray5361 The trouble with riding an illegal bike is that if someone crashes into you through no fault of your own, it may invalidate your claim against them even if you are riding within the legal speed.
I’ve got 2 pedal assist. bikes and they are great at 60 years old. I get out and about up and down hills with the assistance of the motor. Great now we’ve got people delivering food on obviously illegal bikes no lights no helmet no insurance so what happens when I hit someone or something. if anything with amount of traffic that is on the roads, if you’re going to use a electric bike as you would call it, you should Curry minimum head and hand protection with insurance you thought
Great video, I've literally just ordered mine today, in white and step through.
For me, having owned a 250w restricted locked bike, and the speeds I like to travel I found it dangerous, the power cuts out just when you really need it. So I have several 1000w 48v ebikes and would not consider anything else, my comparison is any motor vehicle can exceed speed limits, I choose not to, but have that option if need be, most of my riding is in Spain off the road, but occasionally, road use to get to where I'm going. European laws need ammendments now, on most standard road bikes pedalling you can achieve at least 40mph.....and yes I choose to ride WAY more often than I drive!
Just my opinion, and others may agree / disagree, but anyway cheers, I have a superb bottle of Rioja and blue cheese on the go 🤣
Totally agree, they need to do more to get us out of cars but it sadly makes them so much money. It's a lovely bike and step thru makes a lot of sense. Enjoy!
I was able to achieve those speeds on my regular bike in my youth as well and was definitely an outlier on what here is called the Prarie Path. An old railway converted for bikes and pedestrians, and I have the sense to slow down and yell "on your left" when passing. There again, I was an outlier. If their not going to use the money on creating safe places for us to ride, we are forced to become criminals.
@@glennmorgan4197I prefer the term Outlaws... and stuff em, enjoy the ride 👍
Re your comment "on most standard road bikes pedalling you can achieve at least 40mph".
The current hour record for a cyclist is 34.7 mph. Professional cycle racers average 26 mph or so, during a race, and that's a team effort and they are top athletes.
I have been over 40 on a bike many times but only down steep hills and by those speeds pedalling is no longer effective.
Get real - a change to the law to allow us to get assistance to 20mph would be great, but anything more is very unlikely and certainly can't be justified by false comparisons with unassisted bikes.
Hi. Are you in the UK and if so, did you have to pay import duty taxes ?
Yeah... The law regarding e-bike regulations is a total mess. Motor classifications quote that a 250w motor should be capable of consistently outputting 250w of power over a 30 minute period, otherwise that motor is sub standard, and yet the e-bike regulations seem to point out an instantaneous power output of 250w. I agree that the law would be better worded if it stated that an e-bike is unable to power the cycle above 25 kph (15.5 mph). This would allow more suitable bicycles to be provided for shall we say... the more generously sized people living in hilly areas. I live in Wales, and the present law is a joke considering that the government want to encourage all people to take up cycling as a way of life. That simply doesn't work for overweight asthmatic (or post covid) individuals right now. 250w hub motors are just not suitable for these environments.
Totally agree. I made a video about exactly this. What has motor size got to do with anything anyway as long as it's speed limited? It's not like even 2000w motors provide dangerous acceleration.
@@e-VRCThis is exactly my issue as well. Being one of those more "generously sized" people and having watched a bunch of your reviews, I went for the pvy z20 plus 1000 (thanks for the discount code btw!) and so far (about 1 month in) it's been most of what I was hoping for!
The thing is, I was considering the pvy z20 pro too for easier mobility / less bulkiness (it's almost impossible to fold the plus and even then it's huge!) and of course that unbeatable price-tag, but after realizing through your videos how much power difference there is between them, I've now all but abandoned that thought and might get a 2nd plus 1000.
Or do you have any suggestions for a "z20 pro"-like competitor, which does the job as well as the plus 1000 does?
Yes those Welsh hills are no joke 250 watt hub would not help at all.
If people would use their common sense and stop endangering pedestrians and ride on the road instead of the sidewalk, there wouldn't be a need for these laws. Unfortunately, they don't, and it spoils the enjoyment for those who do. The miniscule amount of battery fires are about to cause E-bike bans in New York, thanks to people who insist on believing that they are smarter than the company that manufacturers their bikes and don't want to follow safety protocols. And don't forget the DIYers that build Frankenstein vehicles with spit and duct tape that get on UA-cam and share how to make them. If you don't have extensive experience in using tools and electronic products, stop putting your accidents waiting to happen on UA-cam for the next maroon to poorly copy and hurt themselves or others.
I must be the only person who thinks that 15mph on a bike is plenty.
I’d love to see powerful motors allowed so they can fly up hills at 15mph with no bother, and have amazing mileage capacity, but much over 15mph on a bike for me just feels like like the smallest thing goes wrong and you’re in trouble.
It’s easy to restrict the speed on a powerful motor and that should be allowed.
Old bill could easily tell if a bikes been messed with if a fat old knacker like me is pedalling at 25 mph lol. My average is about 7mph on pedal power alone lol
15mph is plenty for me too, I cycle for the pleasure of it and want to enjoy the journey not watch the world go by in a blur
@@Vineleafstudio exactly
Me too, 250watt is fine for me. I don't want to go fast. I want to experience the journey, not get to my destination as fast as I can.
The controller most have two blue wirea connect 15.5 mph I've got 1500wst on stand 50mph on road 42mph you run two blue wires through a switch 12 v so when on road or yes hide swich but so you can switch it when riding that restrict the bike it's better than stopping to connect the blue wires
If cars can have a sport mode on a switch, I can't see why ebikes can't. One journey I do is 70% off road and 30% on. I'm more than happy to ride that legally, but they government needs to legislate so it is easy for us to do.
If they want to generate income, they can easily introduce an excise duty which also includes a third party insurance. Moped tax is £24, so if it was priced around that and included insurance I'd be more than happy to pay it.
I think you'll find that the law states that the motor must not have a rated output of more than 250W. The rated output of the motor is what the manufacturer says the motor will handle continuously. So, it's not how you use it but what the maker claims it's capable of that counts. This bike is rated by the maker as 750W. It doesn't matter if you never take it over 250W, it's still illegal, just the same as if you put a 100cc motor in a moped but never rode it at over 28mph - mopeds can't be more than 50cc.
You do seem obsessed with speed. 250 gets you upto 15.5 mph fast , most cyclists being able to then manually travel on flats at 20mph. The assist also doubles your climbing speed. If you want to cruise at 30mph , get yourself a moped or electric maxi scooter if you like electric.
I don't think I said I wanted to go fast in this video. I did make a video about the speed law though where I said that ebikers were wrong to want to go faster.
I disagree. I think it's really hard to maintain 20mph on a restricted ebike that has cut out at 15 because of the extra weight of the motor and battery, even more so if it has chubby tyres like this one. A restricted ebike is only really helpful on hills. Everywhere else its more of a hindrance.
I think you’re over regulated!!😂
Sustaining 20mph in the company of other cyclists on anything other than the flat whilst using a good quality road ebike is beyond most users abilities. A 20 mph limit as per the enlightened US would be a sensible compromise in the UK especially with the profusion of 20mph limits. 20mph limits will appear in greater nr across the rest of the UK over the next few years and it’s time for sensible regulation.
It isn't just the speed that they've made illegal (anything over 15mph)
But simply having a high powered motor, if it has more than 250w they can take it off you.
And the good ones have 1000w motors.
Still not legal with current ridiculous laws sadly. However, it seems that the po-po seem to be more concerned with the speed of the bike more than its power at least at the moment. So if you were to uprate the power so that it can gove you better acceleration up to the 15.5 mph pedal assist, and climb hills better, then that will not attract too much attention., as long as you are pedalling. However, if you do use a throttle with a more power that is currently not legal, be sure to move your legs a bit. You can also put a larger front sprocket so that when you do pedal, there is some assistance provided by your legs.
It'd be nice if the laws were more common sensical. Make it legal to go upto 30mph pedal assist or throttle only, but you must legally wear a helmet, and hold a provisional licence, and perhaps some kind of registration plate and cheap basic insurance. But then I guess a moped kinda has that category, or MSVA.
I just think that sensible people always seem to get villified and fined and taxed etc with regards to things like this. Legislations come out that affect sensible people more than the idiots that rides these things without due care and attention. These said idiots would pretty much not even think twice about taking a joyride in a stolen vehicle anyways, so these laws do nothing really other than cause problems and tax/fines for everyday joes just going to work etc.
Whatever, in some countries with good lawyers, there will be a problem. The "rendering" of " Nominal power" is wide. So, they will be focused on speed ? Nominal power and speed, so at a nominal voltage ? 3,71v/cell ? Because top speed will not be the same at 4,2v vs 3,71v... I don't know the european limit to 25km/h, because my bike is new, only 1 battery charge.
I unplugged the wire before the first ride so, I don't have any idea about the speed as the battery will discharge after few miles. Can you tell me if you start to 25, and will finish to 25 too, with a regulation by controller ? I'm want to understand how they all can pretend to control something, with a power source that is never the same, and a "nominal" power that should be measured with a nominal voltage...
I love how people just blurt out absolute crap ! Like “just go buy a moped” ??? I mean, how stupid are you to say that ?
A moped needs a license, insurance, road tax, MOT, servicing, a legally approved helmet.
Anything registered is also able to get you speeding fines, other road traffic penalties & even parking fines !
We want to cycle but also have some range, not all be Chris Boardman & not have the issue of hills to deal with.
Having an e-bike is like owning a normal cycle where there are no hills or wind.
E-bikes, Ultimately they are good for the environment, physical & mental well being of their riders & they are great for rest of the road users, one less car damaging the roads & causing traffic jams.
The people who say that though are often those who see E bikes being used illegally as mopeds. (Like this gentleman does in the video). If you use the Ebike like he does you are breaking the law.
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It's continuous over 250w in the UK. Both my perfectly legal Specialised ebikes can do more than 250w. Just not continuously. Throttle is illegal unless grandfathered.
Just found a place I can get a Super 73 RX on cycle to work. Have a Carrera Vengeance Espec rn as my first ebike, my 12 months is up in April...Super 73 time baby!
Nice. How much of a discount is that? I need to look into the cycle to work scheme if only to talk about it here.
If it averages at 250 watts and without constant full power or speed to the throttle or no throttle. I interpret this as in the spirit of the current UK law. However the problem is, if you have a lot of inclines the bikes potential wattage will increase this average and most probably why there was a government consultation on an increased motor size from 250-500 watts. Hopefully this will get legislated. The speed restriction I see two groups against or for a increase in speed they are various valid points to the discussion. But myself I would propose at least 20 Mph even that would be an improvement, better traffic flow and less entanglement with other road users.
Not trying to ruffle feathers (again) the problem lies with insurance, people charge around in Cars, on Motorbikes & Mopeds all day and sadly on occasions have accidents but that's where insurance comes in. Now with these Ebikes if that accident involves someone else then as well as being prosecuted because of the bike being illegal, which of course it is we all know that, you will also be sued because the victim has no choice. The owner of this chanel is a good guy who delivers some useful information, but if he crashes into you one day will you chase him for money......seriously think about it.
I think they should introduce an insurance. Even mopeds would have different insurance costs as companies recognise that some mopeds would accelerate much faster than others, granted to a restricted 28mph. My main 'wonder' is, if a powerful bike can be restricted to be classed as a moped, can a more powerful ebike be restricted to be classed as a legal config eapc.
Riders with a full licence can legally ride a derestricted moped if they choose. An ebike rider needs no licence or training, the bike has no brake lights, indicators, brakes up to dealing with high speeds, type testing or MOT, no insurance is only a minimal part to it. Get a proper bike licence and electric motorcycle or follow the ebike rules.
@@malcolmmarchant6609 that's what the video is asking: is a bike that 'follows the rules' by being restricted legal. It's not about going fast it's about being restricted to go slow.
For kids under 16 yip defo restrictions but for adults umm no.Get insurance and thats it maybe a competence test like a moped and 40mph should be the top speed and helmet is compulsory on any bike over 15.5 mph . Got my engwe a couple of weeks ago the m20 duel battery and love it !!
It's all covered under the current Driving Licence Requirements and Vehicle Licencing Requirements
Driving Licence Requirements -
Mopeds
Category AM - Minimum Age 16 Compulsory basic training (CBT), theory test, practical test on all powered 2-wheeled moped.
You can drive 2-wheeled or 3-wheeled vehicles with a maximum design speed of over 25km/h (15.5mph) but not more than 45km/h (28mph).
It has a mass in running order of not more than 425kg (not including batteries if it’s an electric vehicle)
Motorcycle
Category A1 - Minimum Age 17 CBT, theory test, practical test
You can drive light motorbikes with:
an engine size up to 125cc (ICE)
a power output of up to 11kW (ICE or Electric)
a power to weight ratio not more than 0.1kW/kg
Category A2 - Minimum Age 19
Direct access route - theory and practical or Progressive access route - 2 years experience on A1 motorbike and a further practical test
You can drive motorbikes with a:
power output up to 35kW (ICE or Electric)
power to weight ratio not more than 0.2kW/kg
Whereas for a normal Ebike ( EAPC ) Minimum Age is 14 and has no Driving Licence Requirements and no Vehicle Licencing Requirements except -
show either: the power output, the manufacturer of the motor.
also show either: the battery’s voltage, the maximum speed of the bike.
Its electric motor:must have a maximum power output of 250 watts and should not be able to propel the bike when it’s travelling more than 15.5mph
Powered above 15.5 mph now makes it a Moped or a Motorcycle
Personally I would rewire the connector into a hidden switch
Now that would behandy. I've thought for a while hidden switches or 'panic mode' combinationof button presses to reset to a legal config for throttle and assist.
how do i convert an ebike to be fully restricted on road and simple to unrestrict off road...farm tracks etc.
Depends on the controller. Some you can hold down the brake and throttle when turning on/ off and it will disable the throttle and then speed can be limited in the computer.
The Fiido T2 has a button you hold down and then the throttle can be disabled in the app. The best solution so far imo.
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Hi I have a haoqi cheetah pro 1000 watt mid drive ebike. The bike is terrible slow. I'm using this bike only in closed course private land. Is there a way to ope. The bike up? It cuts off at 19.5 mph
Hey bud! I still think your switch from APB game host to tech reviews was a great decision. I love the vids and they help me out a lot. I was wondering.... you probably heard about what the Dutch police started doing? I could limit my Engwe Engine Pro in the software, but would this save me from getting fined?
Hey thanks! I was watching an old apb video just the other day and i found out about console shutting down literally yesterday. I'm glad you like the new videos. Yeah i heard they were power testing ebikes on the side of the road. It looked like they were doing it with a rolling road though? It might help you especially if you quickly flick it into eco mode at the first sign of trouble. The three modes on the engine pro aren't as obvious as pedal assist settings so they may not know about it.
@@e-VRC Yes they have specially designed rolling roads for them now. I'm already changing some things like disconnecting the gas handle and trying to get rid of the 750w and Engine Pro marks. I also ordered an Engine X sticker. Hope they won't be fiddling to much with the settings.
Not marked 250w motor, not legal, simple. Limiting speed but not hill climb power is more sensible.
If ebike or moped removes restriction it is illegal. Its meant to be fulfilling laws from factory, if encountered illegal, confiscate and scrap. Or change laws to accept whatever.
not sure about where you are but here in Canada pedals are just the start of it......peddles, 500 watt and no faster then 32kmph unless you are peddling
I am a heavy rider and live in a VERY hilly area. A 250w e-bike has no chance. How can I manage getting an e-bike with these silly rules? I don’t need fast I just need it to carry me. I’d be very grateful for advice.
@@g7eit a bike like this one that is sold as '250w' is actually a more powerful bike with the speed locked to legal speeds. A lot of bikes are sold like this. And they'll get you up hills despite them saying they're 250w. Keep it locked and you'll be fine.
@@e-VRC thanks for the reply. I’m just nervous because these are serious hills up here. So you’re saying you reckon it would do the job? Most of the police around here have trouble reading let alone working out what an e-bike can do 😂
@@g7eit haha. Obviously I don't know the hills but the hill I do for my tests can easily be pedalled up with a 250w bike. So a 750 one with pedalling can do much steeper than that. You might not power up like you're on a motorbike but it will be way easier than no power or 250w
@@e-VRC it’s a shame there’s no way to test anything. So where are you and this sandy lane? I know a couple of sandy lanes but they’re in the midlands. I’m up in the Shropshire hills hence the bike problem
@@g7eit this sandy lane is in bushbury. There's another one nearbye in codsall. Yeah I've seen a few too.
Them flat tyres will suck power
Glad mine come with a PIN code to lock it to 15.5 1000w locked to 250 and stickers lol hills here are savage and has no probs
Cargo or loaded bikes need a throttle for him starts and power for hols.
Surely an e legal scooter on the trial scheme would have a 250w 15.5mph limit .
But like a formula 4 or 3 car with the same engine as a normal car but less weight they would accelerate faster than an e bike.
However i do feel although a 20mph cut out would make sense only higher speeds should be offered on bikes with disc brakes and not for conversation kits to ensure the brakes are upto the speed output
Coswheel gt20 is legal in Europe?
Wouldn't do 30 with my weight on it , lol .
If you're comparing that e-bike to a mopeds then by all means add in compulsory insurance, tax, a licence (having passed a CBT) and then you have a comparable basis. But all you're doing is trying to justify why an electric bike should be exempt when a petrol-driven one isn't.
Limitations to ebikes, scooters, etc are as stupid as pretending to limit car owners to drive up to 40mph… let people buy whatever they want, and use those within established limits for other trasnportation methods… aske them to get an insurance in case you want to protect third parties…
I am not bothered tinkering with the output but more concerned that the brakes will stop me at full speed .Looking for an ebike but at 23 stone and a pensioner of 70 and wanting to lose that fat theres no cheap ebikes i can find that will propel me without me having an instant heart attack . Not concerned with speed but the power to get my up slopes .
Check out the Pvy z20 plus maybe.
Also, respectfully try a Crazybird jumper, the step through version. It's an amazing bike, they come restricted, but one wire changes everything..... I've added a suspension seat post to mine as well. 52v 750w - 1000w can't remember.... But I have 4 different ebikes all around 1000w, I hardly drive anywhere now mostly ride 😁
Hi mate, just bought a crazybird myself, is the unrestrcting really as simple as disconnecting the wires? I seen somebody else on another video saying they did that and now their display on the bike is showing error. Any issues with you? @@kafkent6727
Thanks for the video. It seems your controller is the same as me. In fact, Crazybird Jumper got the same motor, screen, battery and maybe controller than Cyrusher Trax. But I have 24" wheels Trax, so maybe our controllers are different. And they also repeated the same "error" on their website, they both show 250w and 750w versions, but if I had a good picture of the Bafang hub, I would be able to confirm you it's a 1000w like me on the Trax, not a 750w. And a 1000w that is under exploited, because able of 8 turns per volt, and maybe tuned to 6 for you and me. I'm actually working on controllers programmation, and I need infos on ours. Is any Crazybird owner has already took a picture of the controller ? Thanks
Yeah it's a weird one, they must have a max output of 250w continuous at this watt is completely legal as I'm away to explain my Bosch ebike the smart system and Gen 4 motor is 250w Nominal but max output is 600w! It's a way for manufacturers to add more wattage legaly if the max output is 600w but as long as it is Not continuous at 600w, it's legal! The Gen 4 always assisting you at around 360% we have just had an update this week that is pushing the new Auto mode to bit higher mph which when noticed will be written over from a new update very soon I expect but till then we have the joy of a slightly faster speed at rhe moment bit who's going to want to update it again it won't have anything new for a good couple of years to come so just switch the auto update mode off and keep the new firmware that has just rolled out to the UK bosch Gen4 systems, I'd you have a bosch ebike there you will know exactly what I am talking about so it seems absolutely bonkers that an ebike law is maxed at 250w when not a single motor is maxed out at 250w that ebike you are on is probably pushing 1000w max output and 250w nominal output for EU legal restrictions
Im disabled and cannot add torque with my legs so im looking for torque NOT speed increase
me too....i need more than 250w to push my old fat body up hills but happy to ride under 15mph.
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I cruise at 15 mph on my human power MTB...
Just going to work....
And my rear gear changer has been broken for a while have a c battery tape to hold the cable in just the right spot... Too not move
So many reviews coming up. Nice!
When can we expect to see an Ebike chopper, a tandem and a tricycle? You have these in your shed yet?
I think a chopper would have to be custom. I've considered it! I'd love to try the other two but I'm not sure I have room in the shed 🤪😂
With two-up, maybe the power restriction should be raised to 500W for an E-tandem when they inevitably get made. - It's only fair.
Have a Ridgback Arcus 1 and wondered if this kit would work and fit on my bike. Any info would be great. Enjoy all of your videos mate
Anyone know how you get into the control panel settings on this crazy bird jumper ?
Im not saying everyone should go above the 250/15.5 rules with the Ebike but im sure if you do and apply a bit of common sense while riding you will be ok.... hooning down the road at 40mph using a throttle is asking for trouble, getting a bit of extra assistance upto the low 20s i cant see anyone batting an eyelid.
What country is this where people are talking about 250 w max power ? In Ontario Canada we are allowed 500w, I think federal law dictates 750w, some grey areas here. Next week my 1500w is coming LOL !
hi great breakdown,
i purchased a Engwe M20 last year on ebay a few weeks later i recieved i message from Ebay saying DVLA had instructed them to advise me not to use it on the roads! like many in the comments i am disabled and the M20 is a god send and has changed my ability to get out and about.. is there any way to restrict the M20?
i have the twin battery version and its a 40 mile round trip to the closest town and i have more than enough range..
i have invested heavily with suspension brakes and seat upgrades..
and ill be dammed if im giving my M20 up..
I would not tell the police I was doing 15 mph if they were clocking me behind. Now days they video you with mph readings on the screen.
I dont think the stardard bike is type approved. The spec/bike needs to be approved for it to be road legal.
That is a moped expect moped type laws and restrictions.
Terrible battery location. water will just spray the bottom tube and flood into the electricals (lower end) and short !! wtf were they thinking
New subscriber here, this sort of info is just what I have been looking for ,thank you.
Thanks for watching 👍
A fairly high degree of wishful thinking in the video and many of the comments….The legal reality is that a Restricted E bike is no longer a Restricted E bike when you de-restrict it or modify any of the specific features. What you then have is a moped - but not one you would be able to register, tax and insure. Have an accident on it (or be caught by a sudden local Police purge) and you are in for a world of pain for years with lots of licence points, a record of driving uninsured etc. etc.
I won't speak for the comments but the main idea of the video was about whether a REstricted ebike is legal. I did derestrict an ebike but the question and discussion was about restricting more powerful ebikes.
Thanks for replying. I had to watch the video again to get the point you were making, and for what it's worth I'm sure you are right - the wattage restriction would refer to what is possible to use in the configuration you are riding it, not it's potential after conversion.
However, two things threw me off message in the first place and still worry me. The first is seeing you ride unrestricted on road. I think most people doing this are fairly unaware of the possible risks to licence, future insurability etc. etc. and I suspect most would not go out on a moped without the appropriate licence, tax, insurance. An E Bike keeping up with traffic seems an obvious target for Police. The second point is wondering what the utility of all this is? Are you envisaging someone riding in legal mode to and from an off-road location and riding in de-restricted mode whilst there? @@e-VRC
My question exactly
I mean by this measure.... surely Bosch ebikes and such are also "restricted" illegal ebikes, without software or limiters, they would definitely peak over 250w and over 17.5mph. I think it's an arguable opinion on whether having something restricted by a factory by design, or restricted by yourself is any different from each other. I don't think it is!!! (if you're being honest that is, and thats what it boils down to here really). I'd like to think most people who know this level of detail about speed limiters and ebikes won't be the kind who ride recklessly on pavements etc and knock people down which is what this is intended to combat. I think it will be a very small percentage who even do these kind of "restrictions" and those few are among the more knowledgable of electric riders.
I just received my new Himiway cruiser, restricted 750 watt to 250watt. The throttle is restricted to 4 mph... I guess its there for hill starts ect, there is a separate walk mode.
I could d restrict the throttle but id have to send off for an American controller, thats another £100... im happy with it as it is!
Also wisper bikes come with a legal throttle up to 15mph... For an extra £300.
It's like an MOT certificate which proves the bike is safe up to 15mph...and includes fitting.
That's awesome. More companies should do a 'get you going' throttle as it's the most useful thing abiut a throttle imho. Walk mode isn't reqlly strong enough.
@@e-VRC exactly, hills starts on a heavy ebike can be quite tricky, this low speed throttle solves that problem.
Hope you review one soon. If you do, go onto the settings to adjust acceleration and assist levels.
Out of the box the bike is a bit too much!
yunger healthier peple shuld go faster if they want to its their natere
35-40 is good with me everything that has been going on this week with e bikes . Don’t get me wrong it’s cool to go fast but you have to pay attention. But honestly cool bike bro 😎
Nice Bike And some very interesting points. Thanks for the vid........1st btw
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All that should logically (not legally) matter regards restriction is that if stopped by police, you can demonstrate a 15.5 mph restriction exists at the time of the stop. Otherwise police are prosecuting based upon how you MIGHT break the law rather than because you did break the law - in other words guilty by circumstantial evidence. The ridiculousness becomes clearer when you consider we drive cars capable of well over 70 mph, but you only get prosecuted if caught doing over the speed limit…e-bikes should follow suit.
Absolutely agree 👍
Its like cb years ago, you could own one, but not turn it on... then you could own one that didnt transmit and they sold them with transmit disabled, so you lifted the lid and there was a wire with a label saying cut to enable transmit.... then we had 40 channels and cutting a wire gave you 120 channels.
same now with ebikes, but the other thing they have in common is once you do it, its an illegal device. pay your money and take your choice, but dont cry when its taken away.
I have restricted mine (1kw) to 250w output and 15mph by soldering different parts into the controller and removing the throttle, I cant change it back without an hours time with the controller on the bench, but I still wonder if I'm within the law and so i'm thinking of buying a real 250 kit
Hi new to your channel would love your input about where to go and view Engwe m20 had 2 new knees but want to get back out cycling again
The maximum output from my feet is 1400W
Nah i think i will custom build my own 1000W battery assisted bike❤
You should have the freedom to de restrict and restrict your bike with ease. The laws apply to pubic roads and pedestrian areas. Offroad and on private lane you can use all the power you want. Just be aware of the rules and enjoy your Ebike ❤
your going to fast for a bike you should be made to have tax mot and insurance and a number plate its that simple that is a moped a motorbike not an assist electric bike this makes me angry because if i hit you off your bike and its your fault whos paying???????????????????????????????????
Isn't the problem that if it can power itself above 15.5mph it becomes classed as a moped and needs tax, MOT, insurance, a licence to ride it and a crash helmet? It doesn't matter how it is powered - petrol or electric.
That's what's unclear... Well sort of. Ebikes are limited to 250w sustained power but the argument is that if an ebike is physically limited in speed it's also limiting the amount of sustained power the bike can put out.
@@e-VRC I'm not expert, but as I read it the UK still follows the EU for vehicle categories (given in EU 168/2013). E -bikes come under category L1e-A if they are set up for assisted pedalling AND are limited to 25kph AND are limited to 1000W (250W is a UK reg). If they don't meet ALL of that they go in category Le1-B - two wheeled moped, which will need MOT, tax, insurance etc.
@@salamander5703 yeah your right but the question posed in the video is that when speed is limited the bike never has chance to put out a sustained power that's particularly high. And if that sustained power is less than 250 is it then legal? Since the bike in the video meets the speed and pedalling regs
@@e-VRC I looked again at the EU reg and there's an exemption for e-cycles if the motor is less than 250W (and pedal assistance only and 25kph max).
It also says power is measured according to UNECE Reg85. That is a test the motor manufacturer does at max power averaged over 30mins. It only concerns the power the motor can produce, not what it may produce in the bike it is installed on.
So if your motor is already declared as 750W, it looks to me like the bicycle is outside the e-bicycle definition even before you beef up the battery or do anything else.
The EU and UNECE regs are available, free, online if you Google them. A bit of a pain to work through, but it's all in there. As far as I can see the UK still follows those regs post Brexit.
I have owned and ridden several road legal e bikes. I de-restricted one briefly, and found it made no real difference to my tön riding, so I un modified it. I would not like to be involved in a „test case“ over the legality of your argument here.
Smart 🤓👍
Hi mate, can you confirm that this was the 250w version that you are showing in the video and not the 750w? Just checking if the 250w can be de-limited to do 28mph and comes with a throttle? Thanks for the video!
As far as I know they're both exactly the same.
I'll ask them for.you though to make sure
Cheers for the quick reply! Thanks mate, really appreciate it!
Finally got a reply. Both exactly the same 👍
@@e-VRC legend, thanks mate!
Currently thebonly other thing that interests me is the new Kawasaki Electric Ninja which is equivalent to a 125cc.
I'd love to get a proper electric bike. Sounds awesome.
@@e-VRC yes dude have you seen it ?
No I'll check it out
I want an ebike with one of those motors that pro cyclists use. You know, the ones that fit in the down tube.
il give it about another 10 years and red tape registration will apply to all bikes including pedal cycles thats the way its heading and its not going to stop people need to start shouting is this another freedom we are going to be denied
Yes they want to control us to th 15 minutes town, personally I think it is very difficult when a bike is struggling up hills in Devon where you cannot pass because the roads only wide enough for a bus and car to pass each other.a bike to travel at 30 would be much safer than a bike struggling at5/8 mph with HGV s folowing. 😮😊. Stay safe everyone.
an ebike i an ebike. that means 25kmh and 250w in Europe. going over that is tehnically illegal tho wo an offical registration, i doubt it will ever get checked unless you drive like a hoonigan. modifying a moped to output more power is probably illegal, even if the person driving it has an unlimited power motorcycle license. unless its done with verified parts and the moped is than registered as a 125cc.
I think many can be modded simply by removing a limiter. But yeah they'd have to be registered differently but the point is that the power is in there just like it is with this ebike.
22.22 30mph
It cracks me up when I hear about Ebikes and Police. Police don't give a damn about Ebikes. Oh wait, This is UK . I'm watching this from The U.S. of A.
Can this bike be supplied without the circus tyres ?
Yeah but it would be really uncomfortable unless you're on the side of a train track 😂😂
@@e-VRC Only good on sand or snow otherwise a total overkill in my humble opinion for what it's worth. . .but some people like them . . .all the best
@w.josephcarpenter1374 yeah they're generally not needed. They just look cool but they are good for potholes especially on bikes without dual suspension.
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Why do you want to brake the law all the time. All you are going to do is bring more regulation in, give it a rest!
You ive in this world at your own risk, and you can't insure against the will of god....
So every car on the road can go over the car speed limits of 30mph & 40mph so it makes no sense to have ebikes restricted. We just have to decide how to ride safely ourselves.
We need more people out there expanding the Karen's minds who are nine times boosted for something that doesn't exist 😂😂
The law says no motor higher than 250w
If you get stopped and the copper has any clue you will have the bike taken .
Pretending you are not breaking the law is foolhardy.
I realise you are making a living reviewing these bikes , but please be honest .
The bike will be confiscated if its motor is over 250w and no amount of complaining will change that.
Honest about what? It's a discussion video. I'm asking a question not telling people what is what. However I still very much believe that someone riding an ebike that looks like a bike, keeping at sensible speeds will be totally fine in the vast majority of cases. You're talking like every single ebike that is over 250w is immediately going to get confiscated which is an extreme and obviously untrue view. Especially when you consider that most ebikes sold even those sold by reputable dealers are more powerful than 250w.
I may be wrong but I'm certainly not lying to make money.
Too bad you f'ed that up with your subscribe shock and it's not even Halloween.
What?
Prove it.
Man yall laws are super lame. My state us is 750w and we can have a throttle oh and 30mph and that'd even lame. My bike is 3500w 72b Mid-Drive and it's Hella fun.
Sounds awesome
@e-vrc How do you not get arrested for blatantly breaking the e-bike laws on public roads? It's people like you that will spoil it for everyone else.
I try to ride sensibly and not be blatant.
@@e-VRC you are literally showing your speedo above 15mph and you're not pedalling up hill. Seems pretty blatant to me.
You deserve to lose your drivers license for these practices!
I hold a full motorcycle licence and own a motorbike and e bike. I believe the promotion of illegal modification and use of a peddlec e bike, de-restricted, or an e bike that is not built for road use, is both dangerous somewhat stupid. I have a number plate, pay insurance, have been trained to ride at highway speeds, I know the risks and inherent dangers of 2 wheel transport to both myself and others. Those who don't should be prosecuted by a law that is there to safeguard irresponsible use. An e bike that is capable of over 15 mph is a motorbike, should have number plate, be taxed and insured, why should it be any different to all those electric cars? You cant just get in one of those and drive it on the road without a licence or insurance! I think you should not promote breaking the law.
Karen.
I've done over 30mph on my perfectly legal ebike. I was going down hill.
this is reckless
I think have what you what, I astounded that this is even a problem for the police , is this what we really pay the police to do, pull bikes over, take me back 30 years when you could have fun
about time the gov cracked down on ebikes and scooters
Lol...🤡🌏🥴
When it comes to the law i just ignore it, as long it looks like a bicycle and has working pedals then it's whatever.
Side note I've brought my ebike to a guy and having a controller upgrade done to it and having better suspension put in. When i get it back i should have about an extra 700w of output and reach or exceed 40mph!.
Niiice. Remind me which bike you have?
@@e-VRC it's a custom built converted Carrera with a 1500w motor and 52v battery. Had a 26amp controller originally which gave me 1200-1400w on average about 35mph. It's having a 40amp controller upgrade and the battery is being modified to output that as well. End result will hopefully be a bit more torque up hills and better acceleration. The bike also has developed mechanical problems after being ridden hard through winter so it's getting a full service while it's there.
@@JudeTheUA-camPoopersubscribe That sounds great. Not what Halfords intended 😂😂
@@e-VRC the frame is taking it like a champ, 3k+ miles over pothole ridden country lanes. My freewheel however has had enough completely fried due to coasting at 30mph constantly, that's something nobody talks about.