How AI Could Change Video Games Forever

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  • Опубліковано 16 кві 2023
  • While it's true that video games have almost always used some form of AI in the game's engine, the meaning of AI within gaming is beginning to shift in a major way. With tools like Ubisoft Ghostwriter, artificial intelligence is about to change the way games are developed. In this video, we'll discuss the potential positive impacts that AI will have when developers can implement the tools readily available. We'll also be taking a look at the disruptive harm AI tools can be when they become dangerously close to taking away creative and top-level design decisions away from humans.
    Throughout the week of April 17th - 21st, IGN is having what we're dubbing "AI Week". All week long we'll be taking a look at the sudden burst of AI use in the games, tech, and entertainment industries while evaluating their impacts. Will AI change video games forever? Matt Kim delves into the trend that has taken over the games industry in 2023 as part of IGN AI Week.
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  • @Keyfram3d
    @Keyfram3d Рік тому +55

    Dude doesn’t understand the difference between scripted NPCs and actual neural network ai.

    • @patrickdanneker5480
      @patrickdanneker5480 Рік тому +1

      Exactly my thoughts

    • @captainlockes2344
      @captainlockes2344 Рік тому +1

      AI is actually very broad term, which includes scripted NPCs to make it feel like the world is alive.

    • @Keyfram3d
      @Keyfram3d Рік тому

      @@captainlockes2344 no, it’s a word they used to use to describe NPCs, but that wasn’t actual ai. Current ai is muchhhh different.

    • @captainlockes2344
      @captainlockes2344 Рік тому +5

      @@Keyfram3d All of these techniques fall under the umbrella term of AI. It’s just that generative AI is the latest advancement. You can’t say that something is not AI just because a new technique comes out that is better. This video is talking about all the AI techniques that have been used in the past and how new advancements in generative AI is taking it another step forward.

    • @stompysnake8233
      @stompysnake8233 Рік тому

      No one really cares

  • @user-zl8sm6ok2r
    @user-zl8sm6ok2r Рік тому +150

    The AI as in NPC behavior and the AI as in game development tools are two completely different things though. One is simple scripting, the other is actual neural network.

    • @LordShrub
      @LordShrub Рік тому +8

      Would be nice if game companies invested more in the former for more immersive games instead of the latter to cut costs.

    • @KidArkx
      @KidArkx Рік тому +8

      But you have to redo the script for each game. Meanwhile, once a framework is created, you could just apply the NPC ai to all of the npcs and then go in and make tweaks in order to give people certain personalities

    • @Virakotxa
      @Virakotxa Рік тому +2

      They could have named dropped Black&White...or that Mount & Blade mod...

    • @clearwater1231
      @clearwater1231 Рік тому +10

      They should re work this video. They completely fumbled this one.

    • @MikeStoneJapan
      @MikeStoneJapan Рік тому +1

      this

  • @Hexlaw111
    @Hexlaw111 Рік тому +17

    Imagine having full random conversations with npcs in games cause the ai is so advanced

    • @johnt.4550
      @johnt.4550 Рік тому +1

      And to be able to chat with them through the mic...

    • @johnt.4550
      @johnt.4550 Рік тому

      You can't hurt me, I'm not from your world! My body is just a puppet of a being in another dimension!

    • @caesar7723
      @caesar7723 9 місяців тому +1

      Already possible in Skyrim with mods. It takes like 2 seconds before they respond, but that will only get quicker in time. At some point we will have normal conversations in-game.

  • @walterellis2179
    @walterellis2179 Рік тому +31

    Put simply, AI is an umbrella term for both pre-scripted rule-based decisions, and machine learning decisions. Games have always used the first one, but it took decades to develop hardware and algorithms capable of useful machine learning, e.g. self-driving cars, creating images, or winning at Dota 2 and Go. While ML in general continues to advance rapidly, a subset of machine learning types focusing on Natural Language Processing recently blew up because it turns out the more information you allow it to learn about, the more usefully it can "reason" to generate language-based output. This is what GPT is. For games, the past, present, and potential of AI should be understood with these distinctions in mind.

    • @captainlockes2344
      @captainlockes2344 Рік тому +3

      This. People need to understand that AI is an umbrella term and that the latest advanced in generative AI is a subset of AI and not actually what defines AI.

  • @MegaDman16
    @MegaDman16 Рік тому +237

    Let's be real AI is going to kill a lot of jobs in the gaming industry.

    • @gmka3920
      @gmka3920 Рік тому +51

      Not only gaming..

    • @bluegizmo84100
      @bluegizmo84100 Рік тому +38

      Somebody pointed this out in the context of medicine and said it's not going to be AI replacing doctors, but doctors that use AI will replace doctors that don't. I imagine something similar will happen here.

    • @dominicbendinelli4805
      @dominicbendinelli4805 Рік тому +10

      In all industries

    • @donatellobarkey580
      @donatellobarkey580 Рік тому +3

      Lets hope not all

    • @Keyfram3d
      @Keyfram3d Рік тому +21

      @@bluegizmo84100 yes but it will take less people to output the same amount of work, meaning less jobs.

  • @jakeecake
    @jakeecake Рік тому +12

    a correction and note, no mans sky and other games that generate level content for the most part use procedural generation, not machine learning. Machine learning is the tech that powers ChatGPT and other advanced AI through data sets, while most procedural generation tech uses tuning by the designers and does not use any data sets for its generation.

  • @SkeletorTclaws
    @SkeletorTclaws Рік тому +76

    The new buzzword is AI. The marketers rush to rebrand anything and everything as AI.

    • @keanuxu5435
      @keanuxu5435 Рік тому +6

      But does it have…
      Blockchains, NFTs, or blast processing?

    • @fantomraja9137
      @fantomraja9137 Рік тому

      exactly.

    • @mmmmmmmmmmm10
      @mmmmmmmmmmm10 Рік тому +1

      ​@@keanuxu5435 wait till theres blockchain ai, AI nfts, blast processing with 32 bit megaram

    • @TheStarSquid
      @TheStarSquid Рік тому +10

      The fact you see AI as just some buzzword and not an actual field of science really shows how little you actually know about the tech

    • @captainlockes2344
      @captainlockes2344 Рік тому

      Well video games have always had AI in them, but people just weren’t that impressed because they were mostly rule-based. But with advancement in generative AI, it’s becoming a big deal in gaming now.

  • @HamadaKindnesss
    @HamadaKindnesss Рік тому +48

    Cant wait for AI to deliver us finished games back again.

    • @dragondelsur5156
      @dragondelsur5156 Рік тому +4

      Except it won't and games will look godawful.

    • @hadinterest
      @hadinterest Рік тому +1

      Stop being dramatic

    • @MarioRoggeroE
      @MarioRoggeroE Рік тому +5

      @@dragondelsur5156 sorry what we have now, complete and amazing game? Doesn't seem so...

    • @dragondelsur5156
      @dragondelsur5156 Рік тому

      @@MarioRoggeroE Go back to your echo chamber

    • @bazookaman1353
      @bazookaman1353 Рік тому +6

      ​@@dragondelsur5156 "look godawful" you haven't kept pace with the latest AI image news haven't you?

  • @caffedinator5584
    @caffedinator5584 Рік тому +5

    IGN is conflating procedural generation, decision tree graphs/FSMs, machine learning and large language models

  • @nak3dxsnake
    @nak3dxsnake Рік тому +5

    Anyone else starting to feel like Blade Runner will be our reality soon.

    • @soniromanov
      @soniromanov Рік тому

      Very soon, it's almost here... aaaaaaaaaaaaand nope. We are lightyears away from Blade Runner.

  • @morte1176
    @morte1176 Рік тому +3

    literally 90% of what he says is wrong or nonsensical. The recent hype for "AI" is for technology based on "neural networks" not on "enemy AI" that in videogames denotes the set of manually coeded rules a entety obey to simulate intelligence.

  • @skydmcsky
    @skydmcsky Рік тому +11

    Everything is AI now...got it

  • @skle2300
    @skle2300 Рік тому +6

    Can you imagine more advanced AI NPC behavior in 'Detroit Become Human"?

  • @jasonshere
    @jasonshere Рік тому +16

    You need someone with at least an above average understanding of "AI" to audit and edit your "AI" videos during your "AI" week, IGN.

    • @morte1176
      @morte1176 Рік тому +5

      or at least whatch a video on youtube on what is AI, this vidoe in embarassing

    • @patrickdanneker5480
      @patrickdanneker5480 Рік тому +2

      IGN totally not getting it

  • @MunjiGames
    @MunjiGames 9 місяців тому +1

    This is a very broad definition of "ai." AI that people are excited about today are transform and generative ai, which are a function beyond "ai" like procedural levels and npc actions. It's starting to show up in game dev tools but not yet in game.

  • @KevinSheppard
    @KevinSheppard Рік тому +5

    Max has a solid take.

    • @jasonshere
      @jasonshere Рік тому

      Yeah, he's usually a bit more real than the rest.

  • @TheFirstRealChewy
    @TheFirstRealChewy Рік тому +8

    It's going to be great for gaming. Instead spending years just creating the world, the world can be created in a month. The rest of the time can be spent creating meaningful content in the world. This way you get large and dense worlds.

    • @icedancer2370
      @icedancer2370 Рік тому +1

      You mean more time can be spent perfecting how to extract more money from you through microtransactions😂

    • @hherpdderp
      @hherpdderp 10 місяців тому

      How did you come up a month timelime?

  • @harry1178
    @harry1178 Рік тому +10

    IGN is gonna be replaced by AI lmao 😂

  • @iporush1667
    @iporush1667 8 місяців тому

    ... whos gonna tell him about the nvdia cards? you have to have the most expensive cards to use their ai.

  • @vgman94
    @vgman94 Рік тому +19

    Video game devs are next to lose jobs to ChatGPT. Using AI to code a level, or even create visuals and voices is going to take thousands of jobs in this sector.

    • @7PlayingWithFire7
      @7PlayingWithFire7 Рік тому

      That's all of their intentions. Capitalism is about infinite growth. Once you run out of new customers to sell to, move on to milk more money from your current customers, then cutting wages, benefits, and finally jobs. The future is either slave labor or A.I

    • @rojaynazir1668
      @rojaynazir1668 Рік тому +7

      Not at all. It will only make our games bigger and richer. Game devs will have more time to focus on polishing the games.

    • @Anonymous-st3gy
      @Anonymous-st3gy Рік тому +8

      ​@@rojaynazir1668in the beginning yes

    • @_Cetarial
      @_Cetarial Рік тому

      Yes, and?

    • @MrGreatDane2
      @MrGreatDane2 Рік тому +1

      @@rojaynazir1668 So tell me this then, when AI can perform voice acting on a professional level, what work do voice actors have left to do?

  • @tamphex
    @tamphex Рік тому +1

    2:58 No one on this planet who is a human being has ever pulled that face to show anger.

  • @Elibbb-sx3kg
    @Elibbb-sx3kg Рік тому +12

    Maybe with AI, we will get competitive enemies that actually fight you

    • @indraft7812
      @indraft7812 Рік тому +3

      Well the thing about AI is that is learns with you (the player) and AI can already do things better than majority of people, so challenging? Definitely yes.

    • @faresfares-ultra
      @faresfares-ultra Рік тому +2

      hello neighbor 2 ai kinda does that

    • @kalisticmodiani2613
      @kalisticmodiani2613 Рік тому +2

      maybe for Mobas where you are evenly matched against human players and only care about the outcome of one match (and are fine restarting from zero). The AI would still have to hold their punches for most players though.

    • @achirasilva2567
      @achirasilva2567 5 місяців тому

      Even with the current non genrative scripted AIs can play any game perfectly and beat you everytime, the developers just don't do it because no one will like a game that is unbeatable.

  • @joaocardoletto
    @joaocardoletto Рік тому +2

    Companies using a new technology to reduce overwork?
    That is the opposite of what usually happens. New technologies are used to pile up more responsibilities and decisions on the plate of the minimal staff necessary, keeping the same old salary.
    You don’t like it? There is a line of people outside fighting for the few jobs not yet automatized.

  • @Iamwolf134
    @Iamwolf134 Рік тому +2

    If AI lets certain game developers take on more ambitious projects on a comparably tight budget...

  • @cancheluk
    @cancheluk Рік тому

    thank you very much for the wonderful video

  • @yungmatt009
    @yungmatt009 Рік тому +2

    There will literally be no jobs left.

  • @connozac1109
    @connozac1109 Рік тому +2

    Dawg doesn’t know what AI is

  • @nothanks3590
    @nothanks3590 Рік тому +11

    hopefully AI will replace 99% of the "writers" at IGN.

  • @thisisfullspectrum
    @thisisfullspectrum Рік тому

    Must be cold in the studio Max?

  • @TheNickellis
    @TheNickellis Рік тому

    So would we be able to get games more often? Still waiting on elder scrolls 6.

    • @ashdang23
      @ashdang23 9 місяців тому

      no the point is that you take your imagination and creativity and put it in the hands of AI. so basically you can have infinite games

  • @nicollokhumalo2826
    @nicollokhumalo2826 Рік тому +3

    Find it funny that you didn't talk about how AI will affect game review and content sites, like ign 😂

  • @trench01
    @trench01 Рік тому

    There is a book called ‘The Kleroterion: Would You Trust Your Future to AI?’: Story about AI, that decides who will be elected officials based on an ancient Greek model and the challenges about it.

  • @StevenBanaszak
    @StevenBanaszak 6 місяців тому

    Putting in guard rails so that people don't lose jobs seems like a bad idea. We shouldn't stop technological progress just because we are worried about laborers. We should instead change the system to work for people so that their job loss is not a huge detriment to their quality of life.

  • @DrewTrox
    @DrewTrox Рік тому +7

    I'm looking forward to more dynamic reactive gameplay. Like the director in Left 4 Dead. Imagine the story and city of GTA changing to fit your play style.

  • @gamingwithhunna422
    @gamingwithhunna422 Рік тому +3

    Let's not kid ourselves, a.i has been in video games since the dawn of em. Every cpu you've faced, every final boss, every mini boss, every npc, every random encounter, in every level we've encountered some form of A.I for many years now in video games don't act like it's a new concept.

    • @Keyfram3d
      @Keyfram3d Рік тому +3

      That was scripting, not truly ai like we are seeing now.

  • @minbari73
    @minbari73 Рік тому +2

    AI will eventually free up humans to remain in their floating chairs and rot away to nothing.

    • @dragondelsur5156
      @dragondelsur5156 Рік тому

      MIND IS SOFTWARE
      BODIES ARE DISPOSABLE
      THE SYSTEM WILL SET YOU FREE

  • @namelesswitch8779
    @namelesswitch8779 Рік тому +1

    "How AI Change the games industry"... Nah,me watching SAO

  • @WavemStudios
    @WavemStudios Рік тому

    We are including AI into Cosmic Force

  • @anexs
    @anexs Рік тому +2

    AI also has been decades giving human false sense of victory when the developer tune down their aggression in hard mode because you keep trying and they gave you a chance out of pity. Lol

  • @ariesone3221
    @ariesone3221 Рік тому

    So is the narrator AI itself?

  • @philliphuey231
    @philliphuey231 Рік тому

    It will go from Kojima game to the Google Algorithm. Mostly negatives in the future but resistance is futile.

  • @AdmiralBison
    @AdmiralBison Рік тому

    It is INNEVITABLE that AI will replace countless jobs, corporations like McDonalds and Wendy's are trialing to do this with drive through's, just like automation has done for manufacturing.
    Instead, we should change our ECONOMIC SYSTEM, democratize AI/Automation, not all in the control of giant corporations and the rich.

  • @Curt_Randall
    @Curt_Randall Рік тому +7

    Wow, AI in games? What will they think of next? Three dimensional graphics? Directional sound? Motion capture?

  • @Serpher1
    @Serpher1 Рік тому

    AI for NPC's is just scripts. Actual AI adjusts itself depending on the input.

  • @whatisiswhatable
    @whatisiswhatable Рік тому

    Just started the video. This guy sounds like he’s AI

  • @rebelangel8227
    @rebelangel8227 11 місяців тому

    the ai in video games is completely differant than what computer scientist call AI...that is about to change though...

  • @pointbrake3183
    @pointbrake3183 Рік тому

    I’m years ai will be able to create AAA games with a prompt

  • @caiuspostumiusturrinus1024
    @caiuspostumiusturrinus1024 11 місяців тому

    They are downplaying the ish outta this... It's so much more capable than what they are willing to tell you.

  • @bpelectric
    @bpelectric Рік тому

    ... really disagree with the viewpoint you're taking here. Calling traditional rules-based NPC behavior and procedural generation 'AI' in the modern sense is like calling a pocket calculator an early form of a x86 PC since they are both 'computers'. Fundamentally different technologies, despite the overloaded tech jargon.

  • @happyphiri4237
    @happyphiri4237 Рік тому

    You guys at ign need ai to play shooters for you after that redfall showcase

  • @-Sparagmos-
    @-Sparagmos- Рік тому +10

    AI replacing Ubisoft devs doesn't sound so bad tbh

    • @JayTraversJT
      @JayTraversJT Рік тому

      That’s the one place I’d except it lol

    • @_Cetarial
      @_Cetarial Рік тому +3

      You want devs to lose their jobs?

    • @handsomesquidward151
      @handsomesquidward151 Рік тому

      @@_Cetarial Ubisoft and EA devs? Yes.

    • @_Cetarial
      @_Cetarial Рік тому +1

      @@handsomesquidward151 You know the devs have little to do with the terrible business practices, right?

    • @dragondelsur5156
      @dragondelsur5156 Рік тому

      Sounds like something Ubisoft would do without even thinking about it.

  • @ArtDocHound
    @ArtDocHound 6 місяців тому

    There's no "AI" in T.E.A.M.

  • @PigRipperLAW
    @PigRipperLAW Рік тому +1

    We better create a universal basic income

  • @privatetoyz
    @privatetoyz 6 місяців тому

    dudes shirt is way too damn tight.

  • @iblazefielding4983
    @iblazefielding4983 Рік тому

    4k?

  • @deserttyphoon665
    @deserttyphoon665 Рік тому +1

    So what's the difference between AI and motion capture??

  • @FeralWolfPack
    @FeralWolfPack Рік тому

    @ 1:44

  • @abhijeetchatterjee1869
    @abhijeetchatterjee1869 Рік тому +2

    Just imagine you speaking to an NPC, based on a natural language AI, that responds to your query perfectly, what then how should you interpret this behavior of a natural language processing AI which can also respond to you, when you are immersed into a games story line or a plot line. It will be a dynamic shift into a behavior model of an AI which would be hard, for all of us to distinguish between a plot line of a game and an dynamic variable introduced into the plot of the virtual experience of the game, which is now catered by an AI to suit every gamers whims and fancies to control the narrative of a plot line, enabled by an AI designed to meet expectation of every gamers and not by creative directions of the games creator. This will surrender the narrative of the the game to the interpretation of it by an AI as ordained by the player, although it's a freedom that can't be imagined right now but it's the pathway all narrative based gaming is headed towards.

  • @jasonshere
    @jasonshere Рік тому +3

    At least we know AI didn't write this - it would have done a much better job.

  • @blackbird1891
    @blackbird1891 Рік тому

    In a capitalist society, time and money are the value points. Opportunities to save or produce either, will define its value. Not just for companies but individuals as well. Societal or moral concerns be damned.

  • @Seanobb
    @Seanobb Рік тому

    AI is not the same thing as fixed scriptwriting which is what 90% of these examples actually are.

    • @achirasilva2567
      @achirasilva2567 5 місяців тому

      AI is an umbrella term that includes "fixed scriptwriting ". Most people know AIs nowadays as generative AI.

  • @Vectone
    @Vectone Рік тому

    Make the boss think for themself and make it more of challenge and we all will suffer =D

  • @Steezowl
    @Steezowl Рік тому

    AI mate will be a thing in the close future. my r1 in wow will be easier

  • @lakadososhava5866
    @lakadososhava5866 Рік тому +2

    Most major studios already saying they won’t touch AI generated art assist because of the legal problems they bring in.

    • @jarivuorinen3878
      @jarivuorinen3878 Рік тому +1

      AI can probably be trained in big studios from assets that the studio owns, not all AI art is Midjourney for texturing or whatever questionable audio AI's there are. Disney is apparently training AI's from its own assets.

    • @lilbaz8732
      @lilbaz8732 11 місяців тому

      And you believe them?

  • @CaptainJeoy
    @CaptainJeoy Рік тому +1

    Procedural Generation is not a form of AI 🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️ Are y'all just guessing or what? Pls do your research before making up something false.

  • @blist14ant
    @blist14ant Рік тому +10

    A lot of people lost jobs in the horse and carriage business because of the invention of cars. Its a natural economic process.

  • @mirshia5248
    @mirshia5248 Рік тому

    How about ai to test for bugs I'm games

  • @vincedgarvlogs
    @vincedgarvlogs Рік тому

    2025 AI will make games.

  • @Twistybeard
    @Twistybeard Рік тому

    Great article

  • @les_crow
    @les_crow Рік тому

    They're getting pushed out. AI will win. Nothing stopping this train.

  • @marshallmcluhan33
    @marshallmcluhan33 Рік тому

    The medium is the message.

  • @dr.coconut6051
    @dr.coconut6051 Рік тому

    my 13 reasons why

  • @zombl337og
    @zombl337og Рік тому

    the smart AI will make games a lot more immersive. having smart NPCs who act and move like humans is key, along with advanced physics and destruction

  • @kontex616
    @kontex616 Рік тому

    nuknukan na itu!

  • @icedancer2370
    @icedancer2370 Рік тому

    Can’t wait for AI for run games instead of graphics cards. I’d imagine it would be like playing destiny or something and then you get a quest that goes way deeper than you would have ever thought into a procedurally generated world hand crafted for the prompts of the quest as if a human made it.

    • @c.m3558
      @c.m3558 11 місяців тому +1

      That's not how it works. If we ever get a Machine Learning-based game, you will not only need a GPU for rendering the grafics, you need a beefy GPU to run dynamic code on your PC. Otherwise you can't make a game that actually uses AI and machine learning individually for every player.

  • @panjimahesa
    @panjimahesa Рік тому

    wow DEEP fake+artificial intelligence=some folks/studio will get rich, it is a tool like legendary microsoft office, imagine one stop machine/software to produce high end game 🤔🤑

  • @saiepro9708
    @saiepro9708 Рік тому

    My question is: if AI takes over everything what will be left for us to do?

    • @newyearzeve
      @newyearzeve Рік тому

      Play videogames

    • @ashdang23
      @ashdang23 9 місяців тому

      AI isn’t taking over all jobs. jobs will always be around and there’s gonna be hundred thousands of jobs

  • @WhiteEagle8888
    @WhiteEagle8888 Рік тому +1

    THE AI DUN TOOK OUR JOOOBS!!!!!!!!!

  • @jonfee5081
    @jonfee5081 Рік тому

    😮

  • @favio194
    @favio194 Рік тому

    They should give an ai the tools to create a game and tell it to make the most fun game in the world

    • @lilbaz8732
      @lilbaz8732 11 місяців тому +1

      And wipe humanity out in the process.

  • @crobinson2624
    @crobinson2624 Рік тому +5

    How about NO.

  • @KillerTacos54
    @KillerTacos54 Рік тому

    AI has literally been in games for decades. At least be more specific

    • @morte1176
      @morte1176 Рік тому

      the misconception is that the creator of the video has not graspet the fact that "vidoegame AI" is not "AI" as the science field for neural network based approach. they bare two separate thing, so no AI as never been part of vidoegames; the first notable implementation is on the unreal game engine and doungeon alchimist to popolate a scene using assets.

  • @mahavakyas002
    @mahavakyas002 Рік тому

    this is a terrible video. gaming AI so far is NOT the "AI" that is all the rage now.

  • @iShredStreets
    @iShredStreets Рік тому +21

    Boycot AI!

    • @rojaynazir1668
      @rojaynazir1668 Рік тому +6

      Please dont. AI is the next step in the accessibility of information. It will speed lab research and unlock new ways to process information.

    • @iShredStreets
      @iShredStreets Рік тому +5

      @@rojaynazir1668 are you planning to have children?

    • @_Cetarial
      @_Cetarial Рік тому +3

      @@iShredStreetsWhat does that have to do with A.I?

    • @iShredStreets
      @iShredStreets Рік тому +2

      @@_Cetarial Uh… their future?

  • @Tim_Franklin
    @Tim_Franklin Рік тому

    IGN couldn't get someone to record a real voice over for this? C'mon...

  • @sherebelek
    @sherebelek Рік тому +3

    An American black woman with colored hair

  • @tem0079
    @tem0079 Рік тому +3

    More AI & less humans plz

    • @dragondelsur5156
      @dragondelsur5156 Рік тому +1

      If you want less humans, start with yourself.

    • @tem0079
      @tem0079 Рік тому

      @@dragondelsur5156 So you want me to kill myself? Yikes!