Reframing Reproductive Rights: Going Beyond Pro-Choice vs Pro Life | Asha Dahya | TEDxNormal
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- Опубліковано 8 вер 2024
- Asha Dahya, Journalist and women’s rights activist; founder/editor of GirlTalkHQ.com, presents: “Reframing Reproductive Rights: Going Beyond Pro-Choice vs Pro Life” Asha shares her big idea surrounding what it would it look like if we took the most divisive topic in America and changed the narrative beyond pro-choice and pro-life? What would it look like if we took the most divisive topic in America and changed the narrative beyond pro choice and pro life? Can abortion be seen through the lens other than the narrow finery that currently exists? This talk was given at a TEDx event using the TED conference format but independently organized by a local community. Learn more at www.ted.com/tedx
If there are so many people against abortion why are there not more people pushing for Dr's to accept a women's right to want to sterilization at 18 years of age? Women inbetween between ages of 18 and 35 are being turned away by dr's because they didn't want to sterilize me even though I didn't have any interest to become a mother.
Because doctors... First off most doctors dont do abortion. Most say it will stain there repitation, and second it isnt the doctors fault for the baby life. The woman decided to go to the doctor. Go and make an appointment and then procide with the opperation. We are not going to accuse doctors for aborting babies. They have a job. But not the woman who decided to kill the baby.
Anyone at the age of 18 can get sterilized because they are adults. And I support this right. Unlike with abortion, this is really our body.
Monica Figueroa Doctors may not want to perform sterilization operations because those operations can be considered as mutilations of the body, which, I believe, is illegal in many places. Also, removal or destruction of reproductive organs takes away the inherent right to reproduce.
Actually, that’s a good damn point. Cut it at the roots. No more debate if there’s no chance of a pregnancy! Outlaw abortion, but make sterilization open to more people.
@@ivank7492 that's untrue. When I was 18 I tried to get sterilized but the Dr. laughed and said it wasn't for me just because according to her I supposedly didn't know what I wanted. I gave birth to my son at age 20 and I asked for a sterilization after giving birth to my son but the Dr. down right refused me. I was trying to get sterilized before I married but I had been turned away because I wasn't married. Now that I am married and 28 years old with only one child a Dr. finally took me seriously my sterilization is on May 16th. Of this year.
I swear she literally said NOTHING and managed to spread it out over 12 minutes?! Quite impressive to be fair.
I heard "She didn't confirm to me that there are only two possibilities and I don't like it".
So how could having no position make sense, it‘s about two lifes?
The point is that abortion shouldn't be an issue we look at in isolation. It's rooted in other social issues and simplifying it to two sides makes what each side is trying to achieve harder.
Thank you
Women already have Reproductive Rights. Here's how it works. If you don't want a baby use protection or keep your legs closed.
"Talking about abortion is so important that im not going to address it at all for 13 mins"
What was her point? I’m confused!
That she wants you to go see her documentary. That's pretty much it.
The point is that abortion shouldn't be an issue we look at in isolation. It's rooted in other social issues and simplifying it to two sides makes what each side is trying to achieve harder.
Ummm her points are as clear as a McDonald's restroom
you have a raw pallet do you?
It’s amazing how many words can be used while still managing to say nothing
JB & harris do it all the time.
She's not really saying anything ground breaking or new here. This is just a plug for her documentary. 🙄
The point is that abortion shouldn't be an issue we look at in isolation. It's rooted in other social issues and simplifying it to two sides makes what each side is trying to achieve harder.
If you're are an advocate for pro-choice, you have to be for both parties. If the mother has the right to choose on whether to have the baby, the father should have the right to choose on whether to support the baby. I personally think both parties are just as responsible and accountable as each other, they have an obligation. However, if you believe that one of them should have the right to dispose of that obligation and responsibility, the other party should have that right too.
FYI dependent upon your individual states laws, the father of the child could give up his rights to the child, no child support or involvement is required from then on.
Sure on the no (en)forced parenthood. Not so much on parental rights, since male parenthood is a social claim to something that can't naturally exist.
And also harms children and woman.
I'm most places abortion requires both the parents consent so this comment is kind of pointless? and there are loads of places that allow father's to give up rights to the child anyway some of those places are lobbying to make abortion illegal though
Pro-choice is actually peo-death.
She literally said NOTHING but still is a 12 minutes video. Very impressive how she managed to do that.
You're so right
In all fairness, she googled some stats first.
Her point is to watch her documentary
The point is that abortion shouldn't be an issue we look at in isolation. It's rooted in other social issues and simplifying it to two sides makes what each side is trying to achieve harder.
@@zu3455 please elaborate
Pro life or pro choice
*y e s*
@MovieManiac33 Not children, but fetuses or embrons. Abortion can be only used very early, not in EVERY state of pregnancy.
MovieManiac33 I totally see where you’re coming from, and I get how a fetus is also a life, but I think a woman/couple should be able to look at their state in life, their financial and emotional stability, and decide for themselves is they wants to have the responsibility of taking care of a human life. And I believe that people who are pro choice believe in this not because they don’t value the life of the baby, but because they value the life of the baby and the parent(s). It would be much more cruel for the child to starve to death or get ill along with the mother or father than for the mother to get an abortion and decide when she is ready to become a parent.
MovieManiac33 Well women dying because they self induce their own abortions is the only other option. It’s been proven that abortion laws do not decrease the rate of abortions. The countries with the most liberal abortion laws have the lowest rates of abortion actually.
@@agees924 this is meant as a 100% honest comment. Do you have any prove for that? Can you point me towards any research or data?
MovieManiac33 wow you pro lifers like to appeal to emotions instead of science
“Humans have always argued for the right to murder. Arguments such as, ‘They are not the right color to be human,’ are no different than arguments such as, ‘They are not the right size to be human.’” -Kevin Everett FitzMaurice
I2@
Is it possible to refund 13 minutes of one's life?
We would just spend that 13 refunded minutes watching this gem again.
I have never, not once, heard a single, rational argument that justifies abortion.
Nobody needs to justify abortion to anyone, the pro-choice reasoning is that everyone should have the right to bodily-autonomy.
@@Christi_the_Mac but getting an abortion invades someone elses bodily autonomy
Then take your fingers out of your ears.
She took a very long time to essentially say nothing and promote herself and her series. Smh.
The point is that abortion shouldn't be an issue we look at in isolation. It's rooted in other social issues and simplifying it to two sides makes what each side is trying to achieve harder.
dude the point of this flew way over everyone’s heads LOL
The point is that abortion shouldn’t be an issue we look at in isolation. It’s rooted in other social issues and simplifying it to two sides makes what each side is trying to achieve harder.
No, the simple problem that needs to be addressed is whether or not an unborn baby is a human being, and if and when it is a human being, does it have the right to not be killed.
@@brendenreader7407 that’s too simple
@@brendenreader7407 guess imma kill all the babies then because pro choice is the only correct option
"Hear that? That's the sound of nothing."
-An actually good Ted Talk.
Hard hitting and insightful.Said no one after watching.
Clearly, you were not paying attention.
@@roxannerhodes4136 I was paying attention. Did she say something about abortion?
Is she trying to create a fluffy magical rainbow unicorn approach to abortion? No right or wrong.. What's she on... Probably a few million quid from planned parenthood.
Sounds like someone from the left. Appealing to emotions, rather than reason.
This was a 12 minute advertisement for her work.
You either kill the baby or let the baby live. What is the third option?
Felipe Solanet Common ground obviously. Don’t be so close minded.
Sometimes letting fetuses grow, kill both woman and future child. There many horrible sickness kid may be born with.
@@eevve9894 having a horrible illness justifies your death? Then let’s kill everyone with cancer or diabetes
@@CabalisticCat murder is murder
@@strawberriesblueberries2258 murder IS murder unless it's not. No where is it written that abortion is murder.
this whole video was just an advert for her documentary.
Yes! Want to know what I’m thinking? Watch the series!
Going "beyond" pro life and pro choice basically means becoming pro choice
how
Mastering financial responsibility before procreating is more ethical and successful than after procreating. It could even be said that being financially unprepared to procreate and procreating regardless is irresponsible and unethical, especially in today’s first world societies.
... what the heck was the point of this?
It was a talk about a talk we could be having if she were talking about the subject. I personally saw myself while listening to this. Freaked out man!
Definitely an eye opener for both sides. My solution is reasonable. The second abortion should also be a sterilization unless it’s a life threatening pregnancy. I know someone who has six abortions in her life. Some people would use abortions as a form of contraceptives. That is not right.
Why is the sixth abortion worse than the first? If it's "murder" then it's murder for all. If it's not "murder" then having 1 is the same as having 13.
No, because that's still her body. On a moral level I think it's abhorent, but in the way that specifically those actions are that of moral only and can't be well encompased witthinn a framework of humans as having rights.
@@catsaresocute650 she’s also a landlord when she got pregnant. Landlords are not allowed to kill their tenets. You might as well say you can murder your tenets if you don’t like them. See my point?
@@frankthetank1032 No, because one: a persons body IS a very differnt from a flat and two: even landlord gets to evict tennants she/he don't want in their property.
@@frankthetank1032 it's not so much that I say murder itself is okay, it's more that whatever means anyone has to go through to be able to uphold their bodily autonomy is okay, so murder in self-defence is totally fine, while murder itself is morally wrong
This is a 12:46 advertisement for this ladies documentary. This whole video makes a great intro to the topic but has absolutely no substance.
There were some googled stats randomly thrown in.
So, if I am understanding the basic premise here... "going beyond pro-choice pro-life" is basically sidestepping the fact that abortion is the needless extermination of a living human being developing within its mothers womb, ignoring whether the unborn should or should not have the right to live, and looking the other way by focusing on other social issues.
Our Declaration of Independence clearly says "Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness"...These are God given rights. The first of which is LIFE!!! Abortion is murder,, we have the right to LIFE , not death.
Summary ( It will save you 12 mints)
What I am trying to say is that I am not with or against abortion, I am saying absolutely the opposite. BTW, watch my film.
worst ted talk EVER
yea lmao this is why I'm not a fan of TED talks
I love how she is talking about who we value and interconnected social issues.
I agree!
It seems like most of the commentary on this video is coming from teenage boys. I'm glad to see someone actually watched it.
I LOVE COMMENTING ON UA-cam
This speech was the text message equivalent of typing the title and keep pressing the middle word for 12 minutes. Letting auto predict write it.
Studies have proven that the infant in the womb can distinguish the difference between the mother and the father's voices which means they are cognitive
Life begins @ conception. If you have a problem with that talk to God. If you have a problem with God, you've got way bigger problems than abortion.
A baby takes it’s first breath in the womb
@@reletaortiz2026 God isn't real
She has answered the age old teacher question, what if a student wrote an essay with no thesis but lots of random support. C+
she offered an alternative hypothesis via critically analysising existing qualitative and quantitative data and offered an alternative to the binary. You're selling her short!
@@cherierose356 I noticed you said nothing as well lol. Wake me up when someone says something.
@@cherierose356 I should’ve noted that I do appreciate your humor though. Thanks.
The opposite of life is death not choice.
So, the correct would be:
Pro Life or pro death/killing debate.
There's no choice to the unborn in the womb.
So sad that 700 moms die each year from giving birth. Yet, the mortality rate for victims of abortion is close to 100% with hundreds of thousands of the most innocent and vulnerable dying each year from abortion.
And folks wonder why God is judging America now. How many millions of babies have been murdered here in the U.S.A.?
I feel like this was just the introduction
There was no claim or thesis so it wasn’t the full introduction. Maybe just the hook.
So, she's for moral relativism. That's faster to say
Moral relativism is the entire argument for abortion. "I view it as not human, therefore it is not human."
This talk is basically how to talk about abortion without talking about abortion.
She wants to make money off abortion.
Think about this FACT: "You still have the same heart that began beating in your mother's womb" You were YOU, even in the womb. So, remember to thank your mother this Mother's Day, for CHOOSING to let YOU live
FALSE. You are not YOU if there is no brain. If you have no brain function, you are declared "brain dead" and are no longer a person. Likewise, before your brain starts to function at around the 24th week of pregnancy, you are not yet a person.
The heart beating means nothing. My husband had a heart transplant. Why can't we declare the heart as a dependent on our taxes? It has unique dna.
The problem we face is that regardless of how a life is conceived if it is not wanted now why do you think it will be wanted when it is born ? The number of unwanted, abused and abandoned children is staggering. There are a lot of mothers who should never have the RIGHT to have children because they are both mental and financially incapable of raising them. Let the self rightest and pollical / religious establishment provide for these unwanted children when they are born. No I think not. We as a society can't and won't provide for the one's we have now. It's not about what is right or wrong it's about what your crying about -Human life, dignity and Quantity of life.
We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are life,
Amen
So, you are saying that all religious males should be treated equally? How very inclusive!
yeah you ever consider that not everybody believes the same thing as you? Stop trying to force your religion on other people, keep your opinions sure but stop trying to make them laws so non religious people have to follow them as well😒
So many people who are claiming this speaker said nothing in so many words miss the nuance. She's clearly tiptoeing on eggshells around the pro-life fervor. In essence, she could not be so bold as to say abortion is a useful social tool, as that would enrage folk who believe it to be murder. She had to point out issues that abortion addresses without specifying that it is abortion which addresses those issues. She's trying to build a coalition between pro-choice and pro-life. To foster conversation on the innumerable benefits abortion gives women. Read between the lines folks.
To kill or not to kill ?
Hhhhmmm 🤔
I wonder,
what the baby would answer.
Psalm 139:13-16
For you formed my inward parts; you knitted me together in my mother's womb. I praise you, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made. Wonderful are your works; my soul knows it very well. My frame was not hidden from you, when I was being made in secret, intricately woven in the depths of the earth. Your eyes saw my unformed substance; in your book were written, every one of them, the days that were formed for me, when as yet there was none of them.
“This is what the Lord Almighty says... ‘Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.’” (1 Samuel 15:3)
But the Bible says life begins at first breath. God even commanded abortion in some cases.
We dont need to quote the Bible not everyone believes in it. I do but that's just me. Abortion is wrong because your killing a human life. And no one has the right to kill a human. Period
@@loriolson1143 I want to quote the Bible. So I will... Always
@@agees924 please provide the text you are reffering to.
Is murder okay?
carogame I don’t know anymore. We murder animals and no one seems to really care about that lmao.
@@giftedwolf6671 Are you vegan?
carogame Nope, are you?
@@giftedwolf6671 No, I am not either. I am curious about your thoughts about killing animals to eat them?
I don’t enjoy the thought of animals being murdered but I think it’s necessary for our survival. If we didn’t eat them we’d die. Same for plants. If we didn’t eat them, we’d die. What do you think about it?
The fact that you spoke to some women who had abortions is no science-based logical argument. And neither is promoting your tv show or bragging about your successes in work.
@Hailie Leonard But she basically told no facts at all.
The last hot poop i took contained more information than a Ted talk.
10:36 Let's take this line of logic back to less than 2 centuries ago.
"Let's do away with this notion that [slavery] is a single issue we vote on. Instead, what if it was thought of as an [economic] and a social issue like it used to be [centuries] ago? What if we lived in a world where people felt confident share their [slavery] stories knowing it would lead to positive and productive outcomes in policy as opposed to shame and judgment?"
This is why atheists could not have ended slavery. It would take Christians who believed in moral absolutes to make a moral argument against slavery.
How are you going to be pro life, and get an abortion...
Nah.
Yeah, I found that part suspect. I liked the part where she emphasized she could tell the person’s story; then didn’t share anymore of the story.
What about the woman's life?
Doing something just because you know God will forgive you is not a good argument
There are still consequences
the reason these woman don't tell anyone is because they know it's the wrong thing but they are selfish and would rather end an inocente human life than go through and "emotional tramitizing" expiernce. it is just selfish to really go and murder a baby just because it doesn't have a heartbeat or relay on the mother.
All life matters. The pro-life stance doesn't threaten either life. Women who currently die during childbirth aren't forced to carry to term. They make that choice. This statistic is useless in whatever argument that you are planning to make
If there is a law like there is in Alabama, then they don't have a choice. Find it out before you comment.
@@ryandaly3680 there are 50 states,. They have a choice to move or just drive to another state. Florida cranks them out like an assembly line.
It’s like she made a bet with her friend that she could do a 12 min Ted talk on abortion and not actually say anything
It’s like her Ted talk was accidentally accepted and she hadn’t expected that.
It sounds like she thinks that abortions certainly is the wrong decision for some and the right decision for others. Therefore, she's far more than likely pro-choice.
You mean pro death
I’m starting to hate Ted Talks now smh I just wasted 12 mins and 46 seconds of my life 🤦🏽♂️
Play them at 2x or 3x.
Men would never stand for anyone taking away his choice or right. So why do we allow this to happen to women? It should be the right for a woman to decide. Period.
Are there any pro life ted talks?
I’ve never seen one
Wasn’t this a pro life talk? I’m so high after watching this and I’ve never done any drugs in my life man.
I found this deeply informative. Perhaps a bit to dependant on the emotional and social intelligence of some people but really that's to be expected.
In other words, she has compromised
Lukewarm, neither hot nor cold.
Lukewarm is an expectorant, make you vomit.
"Let's go beyond calling things what they are"
MAGA apologist: "The premise of The Handmaid's Tale (ending reproductive choice to save the economy) is total nonsense. That would never happen, and no one is calling for it."
Mike Johnson: “Roe v. Wade ... the implications of that on the economy. We’re all struggling here to cover ... Social Security ... all the rest. If we had all those able-bodied workers in the economy...”
How do you feel about gender, selective abortion as a woman of Indian descent?
India has a huge gender ratio disparity because of liberal abortion laws. Canada has the same problem now too.
I believe everyone has the Right to Reproduce (including someday the unborn child), but not to kill their children through abortion, infanticide, Filicide.
The point she is making is that when women who protest in front of clinics find themselves walking through their doors in search of help, it becomes clear that centering arguments around the ethics of abortion does little to prevent them.
Kids have heartbeats too. Please don't kill your kids.
Reproductive rights end once a human being is created. At that point, the innocent human being deserves life and love. Taking a baby’s life is never a healthcare issue. To think that abortion can make a woman’s life better is the sickness in our world. Please pray for conversion of hearts before it’s too late!
Amen 🙏
Your way of thinking means you want women to belongs to the state because her body is no longer hers. You're just wrong.
@@cutecats532 Taking a human being’s life is just wrong. Defending a “right” to kill is just wrong- no matter what you choose to call it.
@@cutecats532 Terrible selfish choices are exactly what got us to this point. This world is full of people who have no regard for human life. Just turn on the news.
@@freedommatters7677 I don’t support forced anything. It’s your free choice to do what it takes to make a baby or not! You can be responsible and value human life… or not.
So let me ask everyone out there, pro life, pro choice, whatever you are. If a girl got pregnant and the doctor told her that she would die if she gave birth, would she get an abortion or die for her baby?
In that case which I believe is less than 1% of all abortions performed it becomes a personal issue between her, her Dr, the father of the child (if he is involved) and whatever she believes in if anything.
And if she just wouldn't want the healthy baby and pregnancy had no complications? What would you choose?
We pay doctors to try and save lives. If you are still on the clock, you should be trying to save both. Killing someone is giving up on medicine.
Very articulate, very eloquent, and had ABSOLUTELY NO POINT WHATSOEVER.
I applaud her ambition, however, from my experiences talking to pro-lifer's, the vast majority of them are religious and believe in a soul and that the soul is connected to the zygote at time of fertilization. As such, their belief (or at least the beliefs they choose to defend that belief with) contain two unprovable assertions:
1) the existence of a soul;
2) the point at which the soul is connected to the zygote/embryo/fetus.
Of course, these religious beliefs are part of why the Establishment clause exists, and that prevents those reasons from being used to make laws enshrining the pro-life stance. So, other people defend those defences with recourse to the useful bits of science that can be deployed to make the case (such as the fact of unique DNA and the biological definition of life). This all ignores the fact that religious positions on when the soul enters the body have frequently changed over time.
The denominations that most fervently vote pro-life now barely voted at all before 1979 and were ambivalent about abortion. They were motivated to vote for Reagan by Jerry Falwell, who also encouraged Reagan to adopt a pro-life stance, and most of this was orchestrated by Republican strategist Paul Weyrich. This means that whilst the professed views are religious, and thus protected, the religious have allowed their views to be altered by politicians, which seems more than a little contrary to the intent of those religions (especially for those whose Biblical views on abortion come from a place of the claimed infallibility and inerrancy of the Bible).
looks like the truth is too much for most people to handle.
Don't Murder Your Children.
After a speech like that, she should try a career in politics.
Press secretary 😂
I can't imagine the fear and desperation a mother must feel to make the decision to destroy the life growing inside of her. And to make the decision to have the little soul inside of her womb cut into pieces and removed, as if that innocent life were a cancer inside of her. I pray that more of those women will consider other options.
cut into pieces? Elaborate, please.
I’m sorry but- most fetuses die before even a few weeks due to the body rejecting it, a woman also can choose to take just a pill for the baby to be aborted which most of the time just lets the body reabsorb the nutrients from the dead cells of the “child”. They are not cut up and debatably have a soul? But I’m not religious so I won’t get into that. But also if the fetus was malformed and would have life threatening defects would you still force the mother/family to endure the heartache of months of trauma and surgical procedures for one child? To maybe pass away anyway? Again, I’m sorry, but I just can’t understand a lot of pro life arguments…
@@paige1955 look into d and e surgical abortion
Hard hitting and insightful!!!❤️ I look forward to your reframing this divisive topic. Clearly, from the comments here, hour TedTalk brings out the biased and fiery reaction of both ProChoice and ProLife. Your work is courageous. You engage my heart as a true women's activist🌹. Thank you.
We will ban abortion and theres nothing you can do about it
@@andygardner3300 You sure? XD
Abortion is about women health (mental health too) and you think girls won't fight when someone want to harm them? XD
Marie Rose women are no more pro choice than men are. Either way you only think thats a valid argument because you dont care about the baby. You know this as well as I.
Andy Gardner Well even if that’s true, women have been inducing their own abortions for millennia. The countries with the strictest abortion laws have the highest rates of abortion actually, only it’s done in unsafe conditions. Which is obviously more risky for the mom and the fetus dies as well.
A.S Bernard liechtenstein and Switzerland have a higher abortion rate, And riskier abortions than the US and north korea? Really? I find that hard to believe
If someone aborted ur baby without asking should they be charged with murder or just assault on the woman? How about both? It shouldn’t matter if it’s the mother or another person abortion is just a fancy word for murder or kill. God will judge u. Repent.
If you want to abort or abandon a baby, don't have any.
Girl with how bad this ted talk was I'm placing my bets the movie is gonna be even worse tf
this is an amazing talk. Something seems a little off about these statistics though... i've done a lot of research on this and I don't think these statistics are accounting for population growth. So they may be the highest numbers seen in human history but it very well may be the lowest percentage in human history. I find it hard to believe as medicine exponentially grows better that women are dying from childbirth more than they have in human history. That just doesn't make logical sense to me.
It's just plain untrue to claim that we've gone as far back as 1800s with this topic. absolutely not true.
I continue to be confused by all these videos discussing how "reproductive rights" are under attack. Last I checked every woman in the US has the right to reproduce. There are zero laws restricting any female from conceiving and delivering a child.
That’s not the only thing reproductive rights encompasses… it’s not just about having the right to reproduce. You need to go and find some articles to educate yourself on the subject so you can actually have an opinion
@@leomariscaba8210 To be honest, I've tried that, and each and every time it's an attempted conflation/hi-jacking/euphamizing of the term to ultimately just mean abortion rights, which is definitely not the same as reproduction. Also, I certainly don't need your permission to "actually have an opinion". I already have one ;-)
If anyone would like to debate a pro lifer ( me) let me know. Thanks
I am also pro life but I’ll debate you. Boom. We agree. Debate finished.
The title of the video is misleading. The speaker didn't offer any suggestions about how to reframe the discussion about reproductive rights. Instead, she offered suggestions about the need to reframe the discussion. Maybe a more accurate title would be Why We Should Reframe the Discussion About Reproductive Rights.
Well, here are some suggestions for that 30 or 40% of people in the U.S. who are looking for alternatives to the dogmatism of typical pro-life and pro-choice champions.
A wise man once pronounced a blessing on peacemakers.
If we wouldn’t want civil government entities or agencies to promote beliefs or practices with which we disagree or if we wouldn’t want civil government entities or agencies to enforce prohibitions with which we disagree, the golden rule prohibits us from encouraging politicians to use civil government entities or agencies to promote our own beliefs and practices or to enforce our own philosophical or religious prohibitions.
It is possible to be both pro-life and pro-choice.
I’m pro-life in the sense that I have never recommended that a woman have an elective abortion and I can’t imagine a scenerio in which I would recommend it.
I’m pro-choice becuase I’m aware of evidence that, not only among people who deny the possibility of special revelation but also among theists whose belief systems are built largely on special revelation, there have, historically, been a variety of teachings on the question of when life begins.
Historically, many observant Hebrews have considered life to begin at birth. There is evidence that many Christians have held that view but I plan to refer to that evidence on this thread only if someone requests it.
In 1591, Pope Gregory XIV began to teach that a fetus was a person beginning at the quickening - the first noticeable movement of the fetus, usually near the end of the second trimester of pregnancy. The official language of the dogma referred to the “unanimated” and the “animated” fetus.
On December 8, 1854, Pope Pius IX established the dogma of the Immaculate Conception of Mary. In 1869 he removed the labels of “aminated” fetus and “unanimated” fetus and concluded that abortions at any point of gestation were punishable by excommunication. During the Vatican Counsel of 1869-1870, he established the dogma of papal infallibility.
How many people in the West - even people who consider themselves adherents of the papal system - are aware that those three doctrines were not taught by previous popes?
I don’t have an opinion about when, exactly, an egg, an embryo or a fetus becomes “a person”. For this reason, I’m sympathetic with Pope Pius IX in the sense that I agree it would be better to assume that life begins at conception than for a person who doesn’t “know” “when life begins” to recommend or seek an abortion. I DISAGREE with Pope Pius IX about whether to be dogmatic about “when life begins” or dogmatic about whether a person can be considered a Christian (or “Catholic) who reads for himself, studies for himself and thinks for himself.
I don't understand what made death due to childbirth so commen, or rather more commen then with us.
And a right to life sadly makes no objective sense. A right to persue live in liberty can, do but an absulut right to life isn't making any sense.
But no, there is no commen ground on pro-forced birth and woman habe the right to their own bodys. The best is it's right for societiy to help pregnant woman and mothers so that should any lack of basic material-/ socialneeds be the reason abortion/strerilisation are wanted.
So on that there appears to be commen ground. But there's nothing I have to say to somone who thinks woman as class and I in specific don't have the absulut right over our body and persumably similarly somone who inherenty dosn't have this feeling of owenership over ones body /or if it is a men of woman over theirs will only see it as murder and then it's illogical and emotionaly non-sensical to compromise on saying murder is right. So there exists no commen ground. I think it's my body and I have the right to own it and I won't compromise litteraly anything about that nor will woman like me. Nor you would hope would people who think it's murder. So the only thing left is how to deal with it.
This comment section is filled with a lot of people who she is trying to reach - those who fight against conversation on a topic that NEITHER side will get 100% of what they want. Either talk about it or argue until you die.
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@@TheNephilim101 I said conversation, not speech. They are not the same.
I just want everyone to focus on when she said place value on families, women, and children. Thats the whole deal.
If women aren’t smart enough to use contraceptives, are they smart enough to raise kids? GlennFHoward
Well that's nicely advertised company she is running
so...?
The point is that abortion shouldn't be an issue we look at in isolation. It's rooted in other social issues and simplifying it to two sides makes what each side is trying to achieve harder.
Just a poor attempt to reframe the pro-choice argument.
Morgan Johnson you may not agree that abortions should be had but I still feel it's a woman's right to choose to keep it or not
Abortion is an abortion of birth control. GlennFHoward
Nicker did you just quote yourself
Men need some serious clarification at this time:
If the woman does not want the developing child, then it is a matter of this "wrongfully conceived" child being inside her body, and that only the potential mother of this potential child has the God-given right to abort that child (no male input needed!; potential fathers---drop dead!)
But if that same female decides that she wants to take this potential life to full term, birthing it, then suddenly it's no longer strictly a matter of "her body---her choice", but it's now the man's fault for knocking her up! Now it's the man's responsibility----because----miraculously so-----it's the "man's body" that helped to create this child!
But where was all this sentiment when the above-mentioned woman learned she was pregnant and wanted to have an abortion?
If the woman wants to destroy the child developing inside her uterus, then it's A-Okay! Because it's all about HER CHOICE! It's her body, and it's HER CHOICE!!!
But when this same woman wants to carry that fetus to full term, now it's suddenly HIS CHOICE!! HE DID IT! He got me pregnant, and now it's HIS responsibility. Because it was HIS CHOICE, and this baby is all HIS DOING!"
Will someone help me out here?
Pro choice all the way, WTH let them decide.
If the baby came out of the womb and the mother or doctor stabbed the baby they would go to jail for murder. In the womb when the doctor does this its a choice?
When should convinience ever be more important that another persons life? Its like... oh I dont have enough time to deliver a live baby and give it up for adoption, so I will just poison a baby that can feel pain and has a developed enough brain to enjoy music because "its my body so I can kill it if I dont want it." Would you agree with abortion if you were going to be murdered by your mother?
spookyfruit so it's fine for her to put her life on hold? To halt her career just when she's almost to her goal, which she's been working towards for years? Her body changed forever, confidence at an all time low.
Also you act as though giving a baby up for adoption is somehow a fix it all solution. What if that child never gets adopted? There have been psychological studies conducted showing that the emotional and mental development of children in the system is stunted compared to those that grow up with a family.
In my opinion, you should think of the quality of life the child will have when they're born. Why set them up for a life of suffering?
Wish your parents were pro choice
So your saying murder is a good choice plz
Tell me this isn't a baby. Only 8 weeks away from being able to live outside the womb. @t
@@thesimplegospel3529 you are a sick individual. go away!
most abortions happen way before this, most happen BEFORE the first 8 weeks where the baby hasn't formed a nerve system even. late term abortions are quite rare.
@@callumfinlayson-palmer8393 It took me ages to get an abortion , I asked the doctor for one at 5 weeks pregnant and had to wait weeks to get one so it was 10 weeks by then , Thats in Uk but I could have gone private an had it done quicker I know , some people cant afford to an some women dont find out theyre pregnant until alot later then me an will have to wait weeks to get it done an so end up having a very late abortion
@@randommess6667 I support all abortions, I would theoretically prefer not to do later abortions but that up to a doctor and a woman. And like in your case it was unavoidable.
"Families women and children" and men? I guess men only matter if they are part of a family... and this talk was more of a promo for her documentary she didnt really say much.
Their is also people that can’t conceive a child, as to set up adoption centers for anyone even to seek alternatives besides abortion to give up their children to couples that can’t have a child.
And there are millions of older children in foster care who desperately need loving homes. But people don't want to deal with their trauma. They just want to take the easy way out and get a perfect little baby that isn't broken.
Watch the movie "Unplanned"
I haven't picked a side who has fair evidence that one option is better than the other?
When a child is conceived, their cells contain the combine DNA of the mother and Father which means they have different DNA from both the mother and father. Having distinct DNA means that a developing fetus is biologically a separate human being from the mother and father. Killing a fetus still inside the womb is just killing a human being during the first stage of its life.
don’t pick “a side”, just realize that life is really important, pro choice people can’t deny that the clump of cells will eventually be a person like you or me, but on the same note pro life people should value freedom and understand the situations of people wishing to get an abortion.
Laxus Dreyar well abortion is murder end of story decide knowing that
Laxus Dreyar You choose yourself. Read yourself. Don’t trust people in the comments to tell you your beliefs. No side is better then the other. They both have completely different points. it’s up to you my friend
jojo One side being “better” than the other does depend on your own stance on the issue. Pro-lifers believe that since you’re alive, you automatically have a leaning towards the protection of life. However, sometimes that leaning can turn towards selfishness, sometimes that leaning can turn selflessness.
Mike Bloomberg seems to ready to Deal with???
Death is sanctified by the godless
Life is sanctified by the Godly
Watch "Unplanned". It is full of proven facts, and answers everything!
@cayenne pepper Show me the proof. All I see is hearsay. There is hard evidence for her story, plus corroborating testimony from women all over, at different ages and from this year going back to 1973. Are all these girls lying! How could you think that. Why is it you will jump all over womans rights. Why say that women should be heard, and believed? You obviously only truly believe that if these women are on your side.
@cayenne pepper Not at all. I used to be as pro-choice as anyone could be. Then, I was challenged into really proving it, so I tried, then had to completely change my mind. Would you?
Do you comment this on every single video