Why British cities make no sense

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  • Опубліковано 27 сер 2023
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    Why is Reading, a massive settlement of 170,000 people, NOT a city, while the tiny Welsh village of St Davids IS a city? Is it something to do with cathedrals? Or universities? Or is it a surprisingly simple answer which only raises more questions about how city status works in the UK, and merits a ten minute video? (No, no, and yes.)
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  • @JayForeman
    @JayForeman  10 місяців тому +762

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    • @StanAyesha-xu2df
      @StanAyesha-xu2df 10 місяців тому +3

      Hello!

    • @RotalHenricsson
      @RotalHenricsson 10 місяців тому +11

      If you think about it Surfshark is a brilliant answer: you can eat the shark and presumably it comes with a surfboard which can take you home.

    • @NeverStopRolling
      @NeverStopRolling 10 місяців тому +2

      Did you fully research Neil Buchanan before making that joke?

    • @thezomby5015
      @thezomby5015 10 місяців тому +1

      technically #94 has been done in the past.

    • @thecerealprovider3831
      @thecerealprovider3831 10 місяців тому +1

      i fucking love you mate

  • @Punnikin1969
    @Punnikin1969 10 місяців тому +14226

    Simple solution: Move Reading to Wales.

    • @Zebsterr
      @Zebsterr 10 місяців тому +928

      And suddenly Wales' GDP doubles

    • @imveryangryitsnotbutter
      @imveryangryitsnotbutter 10 місяців тому +322

      We should take [Reading] and push it somewhere else!

    • @ThatGuyNicho
      @ThatGuyNicho 10 місяців тому +252

      'Accidentally' drop it on the way, shattering it into a thousand pieces and losing nothing of value.

    • @coyotelong4349
      @coyotelong4349 10 місяців тому +563

      But then you’d have to change the spelling to “Rwding”

    • @simonr344
      @simonr344 10 місяців тому +90

      @@ThatGuyNicho causing millions of pounds worth of improvements

  • @Michelleaneous_
    @Michelleaneous_ 10 місяців тому +5569

    Wow - the budget on this episode... being able to buy three large packs of Cathedral City cheese is quite a feat

    • @youcanlearnalotfromlydia
      @youcanlearnalotfromlydia 10 місяців тому +131

      And don't forget travelling to the sign for St. Albans!

    • @leontrotsky7816
      @leontrotsky7816 10 місяців тому +116

      Clearly that's where the Surfshark VPN money went.

    • @Naddan9
      @Naddan9 10 місяців тому +71

      ​@@youcanlearnalotfromlydiaand they also went all the way to the sign for St David's in Wales!

    • @marksimpson2321
      @marksimpson2321 10 місяців тому +10

      Quite a feast, too! ❤

    • @gsurfer04
      @gsurfer04 10 місяців тому +3

      Throw one of them on beans on toast

  • @capybara2450
    @capybara2450 9 місяців тому +1539

    To add to the confusion: most British people who live in cities refer to the city centre as 'town'

    • @dillydraws
      @dillydraws 8 місяців тому +91

      Every center where all the shops are at are called town, unless it's a village from my experience.

    • @EdDueim
      @EdDueim 8 місяців тому +42

      Toon.

    • @emzz7358
      @emzz7358 7 місяців тому +8

      ​@@EdDueimNewcastle

    • @doncorleole2356
      @doncorleole2356 6 місяців тому +16

      @@EdDueim Gannin duuuun the tuuuuuuun

    • @wta1518
      @wta1518 5 місяців тому +21

      That makes sense. In the US, the city center is usually referred to as "downtown".

  • @vickywong303
    @vickywong303 9 місяців тому +611

    I went to university in Reading and one of the urban legends we were told was that when Queen Victoria first visited Reading, she reportedly didn’t like it. Some say that the statue of her in Reading town centre is also deliberately facing away from the centre of Reading.
    Of course like most urban legends, no one has been able to verify this

    • @DsgSleazy
      @DsgSleazy 9 місяців тому +56

      Urban legend here, I can verify that it’s true.

    • @orbitpro
      @orbitpro 9 місяців тому +14

      I'm from Reading, was told the same thing as a kid

    • @SarahViahhDay
      @SarahViahhDay 9 місяців тому +16

      All of our local legends (both true and false) are depressing as hell 😂 I forgot about this one. Don't know if it's true but I heard it too growing up here.

    • @MiG2880
      @MiG2880 8 місяців тому +13

      If you know any local Reading history, you know why. Reading in those days lacked a sewer system among other things. It stunk to high heaven and there was excrement everywhere.
      Reading at that time epitomised all the social ills of the day which Dickens wrote about in his novels. Disease, poverty, child labour, debtors prisons, workhouses, etc. It was pretty bad.
      In fact, there is some evidence to suggest that during his time in Reading, Dickens witnessed things which may have inspired some of his works. Particularly, Oliver Twist.

    • @DoubleOSeven007
      @DoubleOSeven007 8 місяців тому +10

      I don’t blame her. It hasn’t improved over the years either unless you like chicken shops and fancy getting your nails done.

  • @camhalls9366
    @camhalls9366 10 місяців тому +1194

    YES! NEW MAPMEN!!!!!!! MY LIFE HAS MEANING AGAIN

    • @doggy100
      @doggy100 10 місяців тому +7

      +1
      When new MM comes - HYPE!!!

    • @crazycjk
      @crazycjk 10 місяців тому +5

      Cyanide and Happiness pic+Map Men fan = certified man of culture

    • @TinyRobotED-tm9rs
      @TinyRobotED-tm9rs 10 місяців тому +3

      𝚂𝙰𝙼𝙴

    • @DogsRNice
      @DogsRNice 10 місяців тому +5

      You mean your life has cartography again
      Much better than meaning

    • @JShips46
      @JShips46 10 місяців тому +1

      Lol

  • @heddadybvadskog-nebb5603
    @heddadybvadskog-nebb5603 10 місяців тому +1061

    I greatly appreciate whoever put "make clothes sizes consistent" on the list of more important things to do cause it truly should be the top prority

    • @f.eugenedunnamiii9452
      @f.eugenedunnamiii9452 10 місяців тому +16

      I have the mosquito thing 1st, but yah, consistent clothes sizes is top 5.

    • @diamondbandit8385
      @diamondbandit8385 10 місяців тому +31

      Also Ban Twitter and Ban the number 71 at number 70. The attention to detail for such a small bit 😂😂

    • @antonioarroyas7662
      @antonioarroyas7662 10 місяців тому +24

      Invading Canada has me irrationally worried.

    • @rjtimmerman2861
      @rjtimmerman2861 10 місяців тому +10

      ​@antonioarroyas7662 at least they'll apologize right after😊

    • @honderdzeventien
      @honderdzeventien 10 місяців тому

      ​@@f.eugenedunnamiii9452the mosquito thing? Isn't that a bit far-fetched?

  • @hey3629
    @hey3629 2 місяці тому +91

    3:10 the long version:
    "Letters patent" is a fancy way of saying "a document that is officially issued by the Monarch." Like much UK law, what this technically means, and how this practically works in the real world, are different things. Technically, the Monarch can choose any town or village or motorway service he likes, and bestow city status upon it. But practically, it's the government of the day who makes the decision, and then the ceremonial stage is the bit where the Monarch signs a big piece of paper. Another important thing to note is that even in the olden days, when the Monarch had genuine power, he wasn't actually turning places that were not cities into cities. He was merely making their already established city status into official, monarchy-endorsed city status. If you've got time to pause this video and read this essay, you've got time to reply to that email.

    • @JayForeman
      @JayForeman  2 місяці тому +79

      If you’ve got time to pause this video and type out this essay into the comments section, you’ve DEFINITELY got time to reply to that email.

  • @puzzLEGO
    @puzzLEGO 9 місяців тому +722

    the fact that they made a two page bogus dictionary at 2:44 for like 3 frames of screentime is the type of unnecessary high effort that I want to see from this channel. keep it up!

    • @adiq6360
      @adiq6360 9 місяців тому +5

      with Chat GPT it takes 5 minutes bruh

    • @AuralPods-gm4pg
      @AuralPods-gm4pg 8 місяців тому +1

      @@adiq6360no it’s personalised and fitted to the channel

    • @MatthewConnellan-xc3oj
      @MatthewConnellan-xc3oj 8 місяців тому

      I broke the 100 likes

    • @BrickBustR
      @BrickBustR 8 місяців тому +73

      @@adiq6360 but it would be shit bruh

    • @Hand-in-Shot_Productions
      @Hand-in-Shot_Productions 8 місяців тому +9

      Indeed! That "dictionary" is quite funny!

  • @mrdaym
    @mrdaym 10 місяців тому +783

    I can't get over how they stop in the middle of the video to congratulate each other for being brilliant.
    So wholesome and factually correct.

    • @shelookstome8727
      @shelookstome8727 8 місяців тому

      Hahaha that was excellent.

    • @emdivine
      @emdivine 7 днів тому

      And knowing them, there's about a 60% chance that the one congratulating is the one who wrote the bit

  • @HBMediaFilms
    @HBMediaFilms 10 місяців тому +923

    As someone from Reading, I dont want to become a City. Being the largest town in the UK is at least an interesting fact to tell people, if we get city status then we wont have any interesting facts to tell people
    Great episode as always, chaps

    • @jonevansauthor
      @jonevansauthor 10 місяців тому +73

      There's a joke in here about Reading being so boring that it being a town is what's considered an interesting fact there but it would be mean to say it, so I won't. The remodelled train station is a bit of an improvement although it desperately needs shops upstairs and more seats (although literally every train station needs more seats, and shops).

    • @jorriffhdhtrsegg
      @jorriffhdhtrsegg 10 місяців тому +20

      ​@@jonevansauthorhehe the train station? Readings response to being boring and nothing to do is to build lots of stuff that looks like an airport? They also have these featureless glass offices now too. One interesting thing was the previous brutalist weird buildings i hope they dont get rid of them all!
      Tbh living there is not too bad its surrounded by great country towns, scenery, oxford and london under an hour. Its just the bit you have to leave to get somewhere else that's the problem.
      The main historical fact being "we jailed a homosexual"!?

    • @RatzaChewy
      @RatzaChewy 10 місяців тому +24

      Us Northamptonians grew up believing that WE were the biggest town. We still say it today, hoping that people are too lazy to look it up themselves.

    • @changingform250
      @changingform250 10 місяців тому +17

      Reading is best observed from a train window.

    • @Jod-rh8xx
      @Jod-rh8xx 10 місяців тому +2

      Is it even the most populous town. Bolton is a town and has double the population of reading?

  • @GvinahGui
    @GvinahGui 6 місяців тому +68

    So basically Reading was left on Read

    • @HeyHeyChey
      @HeyHeyChey 2 місяці тому +2

      😂😂😂 underated comment

  • @liquidmetalrob
    @liquidmetalrob 9 місяців тому +293

    Now I'm hoping to see a spinoff entitled "It's Something to Do with Cheese" where Jay and Mark attempt to build a city made entirely out of cathedrals made of cheese.

    • @JayForeman
      @JayForeman  9 місяців тому +121

      That. Sounds. Rubbish.

    • @MatthewConnellan-xc3oj
      @MatthewConnellan-xc3oj 8 місяців тому

      @@JayForemanYou are rubbish!

    • @eihcra_
      @eihcra_ 8 місяців тому +47

      @@JayForeman Its a good idea, we can call it Red Leicester.

    • @elliotcm
      @elliotcm 7 місяців тому +4

      @@eihcra_ UK remake of The Americans?

    • @Becky_Cooling
      @Becky_Cooling 5 місяців тому +3

      @@eihcra_Or on the second attempt ( the first having run into some rather melty problems) we could call it double Gloucester .

  • @ethanfrancis4527
    @ethanfrancis4527 10 місяців тому +596

    The absolute dedication it must take to visit both st David's and st albarns for one video is incredible. They're even in different countries...

    • @b3yourself91
      @b3yourself91 10 місяців тому +89

      Who knew they had the same sign too

    • @vigilantcosmicpenguin8721
      @vigilantcosmicpenguin8721 10 місяців тому +47

      @@b3yourself91 Budget cuts. It's easier for the government to reuse the signs.

    • @EggPotionFilms
      @EggPotionFilms 2 місяці тому +1

      Your wrong. It was the same sign, but they scraped off the word "Alban's" and welded on some metal letters reading "David's" so the signs said "st. David's"
      Clever!

    • @ethanfrancis4527
      @ethanfrancis4527 2 місяці тому +5

      @@EggPotionFilms damn really? Because nobody could ever make a joke in a youtube section

    • @dorktriogamer2865
      @dorktriogamer2865 22 дні тому +1

      ​@@EggPotionFilmsr/whooosh

  • @Metalgooze
    @Metalgooze 9 місяців тому +887

    It takes absolute ages to watch a Map Men episode as I have to pause and read all the delightful little quirks thrown in at every possible opportunity. Lovely episode as always, lads.

    • @doxielain2231
      @doxielain2231 9 місяців тому +10

      You have the time

    • @hux2000
      @hux2000 9 місяців тому +18

      @@doxielain2231 Brb, replying to emails...

    • @Stuey182
      @Stuey182 9 місяців тому +1

      @@hux2000 But how do you have time?!

    • @Fealuinix
      @Fealuinix 9 місяців тому +13

      Should be easier moving forward with lists being banned.

    • @charm359
      @charm359 9 місяців тому +19

      I read the entire list at the end and now have a whole new perspective on how the uk needs fixing

  • @class444swr3
    @class444swr3 9 місяців тому +88

    Absolutely love the detail on the list by 3000, everywhere around Reading has been made a city, but they still refuse to let Reading have anything

    • @barrytschirpig9328
      @barrytschirpig9328 6 місяців тому +13

      Especially since they made "Reading 2: Electric Boogaloo" a city in 2401 and because was in Wales, it got accepted.

  • @riesenmax92
    @riesenmax92 9 місяців тому +34

    It's the same in Germany, although not with cities but with towns.
    In Germany, a place can only call itself a “town” if it has been granted the so-called “town rights”.

    • @NeovanGoth
      @NeovanGoth 8 місяців тому +2

      Wikipedia says to "town privileges": Common privileges were related to trading (to have a market, to store goods, etc.) and the establishment of guilds. Some of these privileges were permanent and could imply that the town obtained the right to be called a city, hence the term city rights (Stadtrecht in German).
      In other words: British city status and German Stadtrecht are literally the same.

    • @riesenmax92
      @riesenmax92 8 місяців тому +2

      @@NeovanGoth It actually makes sence for countries like the uk or the us, but i guess in germany is it slightly different.
      A small town (kleinstadt) with a small population (up to a few thousand people) maybe has an elementary school, a highschool and sometimes it has an local mayor.
      A big town (population between 50000 and 100000 people) has a lord mayor (oberbürgermeister), schools for higher education, is moustly a local powerhouse and, in some cases, the countytown like my hometown gotha.
      A city (population more than 100000), in my understanding, is nearly every time also a county in its own (like greater manchester or frankfurt/main), has a huge impact to the surounding areas (because of its huge size) and, sometimes, can be a state with its own government (like the city and state of berlin).

    • @NeovanGoth
      @NeovanGoth 8 місяців тому +11

      @@riesenmax92 No, it's not. Terms like "Kleinstadt" and "Großstadt" are statistical categories used by the Federal Ministry for Housing, Urban Development and Building and have no legal meaning whatsoever. The Stadtrecht however is a privilege originally granted by the monarch.
      The smallest Gemeinde that has the Stadtrecht (and hence is allowed to call itself a Stadt) is Arnis in Schleswig-Holstein, which has a population of less than 300 (and hence doesn't even fall into the statistical category of Kleinstadt), while the biggest Gemeinde _without_ Stadtrecht is Seevetal in Niedersachsen with a population of over 40.000 (which is categorized as "kleine Mittelstadt").
      In former times having the Stadtrecht granted a bunch of additional privileges like the right to host a market, and a certain amount of self-governance, but nowadays it's _only_ the right to call itself a Stadt.

    • @makesomenoiseagency2815
      @makesomenoiseagency2815 2 місяці тому +2

      @@NeovanGoth danke √√√√ and we are not boring.....

    • @roderickjoyce6716
      @roderickjoyce6716 Місяць тому

      @@makesomenoiseagency2815 A German teacher explaining German grammar to foreigners with a straight face is one of the finest examples of deadpan stand-up in the world.

  • @stidles5461
    @stidles5461 10 місяців тому +1237

    What I find interesting is how Colchester, despite only being given city status in 2022, still advertises itself as Britain's FIRST city, because technically it was a roman city when they first colonised

    • @DomenBremecXCVI
      @DomenBremecXCVI 10 місяців тому +208

      I think they would change the slogan, but "Britain's last city" might sour the mood a bit.

    • @JimCroz
      @JimCroz 10 місяців тому +46

      They did that after Chelmsford became Essex’s first city. I think they were a bit salty about that.

    • @lauraqueentint
      @lauraqueentint 10 місяців тому +8

      @@JimCroz oh rest assured, they were. XD

    • @klausbrinck2137
      @klausbrinck2137 10 місяців тому +61

      I bet, the Romans wouldn´t have forgotten to fill the paperwork, for keeping the city-status

    • @iain891
      @iain891 10 місяців тому +60

      We hate the 'first city' nonsense. Everyone loved the 'oldest recorded town' signs and slogan and wish they would bring them back

  • @holnrew
    @holnrew 10 місяців тому +546

    I assumed St David's was always a city because of the cathedral, but to find out it became one in my lifetime is making me doubt everything I ever thought I knew

    • @Nikelaos_Khristianos
      @Nikelaos_Khristianos 10 місяців тому +10

      Tbf, I’ve been caught out by the “It’s a city because of its church” thing multiple times since living in the UK. 😅

    • @Tomwithnonumbers
      @Tomwithnonumbers 10 місяців тому +32

      They simplified a bit - St Davids was a city for 600 years because of its cathedral and cultural importance in Wales. It lost its status in the 1800's and regained it in 1996.

    • @sandersson2813
      @sandersson2813 10 місяців тому +3

      I wish people would realise that having a cathedral doesn't make a place a city.
      It's related to civic charters and isn't remotely dependent on Cathedral presence

    • @QuantumHistorian
      @QuantumHistorian 10 місяців тому +19

      @@sandersson2813 Yes, we've seen the video too.

    • @thespankmyfrank
      @thespankmyfrank 10 місяців тому +2

      ​@@sandersson2813 Did you not watch the video?

  • @mauritsbutterworth3120
    @mauritsbutterworth3120 8 місяців тому +24

    I live in reading, the most notable feature recently about it is that we managed to have both of our football teams (men and women) relegated in the same season, also there's a very boring plaque that says something along the lines of: King Henry is buried here somewhere-ish (we think)

    • @Demiglitch
      @Demiglitch Місяць тому +1

      Was he playing for the men or women?

  • @gfdx3214
    @gfdx3214 6 місяців тому +13

    The Netherlands also used to do it with City Privileges. They aren't given out anymore (last ones being from 1819), but one notable town that isn't a city if you use this definition is The Hague, our 3rd largest "city"

  • @generallyawesome9677
    @generallyawesome9677 10 місяців тому +693

    I'm surprised you didn't give Welwyn Garden City a shout. Considering it has "City" in it's title and is still considered a Town.

    • @kuradamax
      @kuradamax 10 місяців тому +55

      Welwyn wasn't even the first garden city, that tile goes to Letchworth, which is also in Hertfordshire interestingly enough

    • @neilmcdonald9164
      @neilmcdonald9164 10 місяців тому +12

      They're a garden city,not a plain city "garden city" is a phrase coined by the creator of such style of settlement 🎩

    • @mattjackson9859
      @mattjackson9859 10 місяців тому +32

      Or as I call it - Welwyn City Garden Centre

    • @williamchamberlain2263
      @williamchamberlain2263 10 місяців тому +10

      ​@@mattjackson9859the Welwyn City town centre shopping centre?

    • @ROBARIO
      @ROBARIO 10 місяців тому +2

      There is also a settlement on the Dee called Garden City

  • @GeorgeCollier
    @GeorgeCollier 10 місяців тому +940

    Interestingly, Ely cathedral actually has an octagonal tower rather than the usual square. The original square crossing tower collapsed in 1322, so they replaced it with an octagonal one. Your little bit of trivia from an Ely resident.

    • @adamhope3943
      @adamhope3943 10 місяців тому +13

      Ely does still have a square tower at the west end, which is also unusual because it's more common for medieval English cathedrals to have two towers in that position. It's a really interesting church

    • @flamencoprof
      @flamencoprof 10 місяців тому +9

      IIRC the original was stone, but the new is octagonal because it was made of wood, and it was an easier build design, or something. (Visited in 1996, from NZ)

    • @cvbattum
      @cvbattum 10 місяців тому +4

      So that means they _do_ deserve to be a city!

    • @MrMegaman1410
      @MrMegaman1410 10 місяців тому +43

      this is an unexpected crossover of my subscriptions.

    • @AymanTravelTransport
      @AymanTravelTransport 9 місяців тому +8

      @@cvbattum also, their railway station actually has an insanely good variety of services for its size (long distance trains to Leicester and Birmingham by XC and Nottingham, Sheffield, Liverpool and Manchester by EMR as well as the usual services to Peterborough, Cambridge, Norwich and London) which kinda helps its image - there are other cities of a similar size (Ripon and Armagh) which don't even have train stations!

  • @thefurbeastunderyourbed5012
    @thefurbeastunderyourbed5012 9 місяців тому +21

    I love love love the work you put into making all these little Easter eggs one would miss out on if not paused the video! The "Glossary" gave me quite a good laugh, so did the definition of Doncaster and the other town leaflets and the flying list towards the end.

  • @g3n3.777
    @g3n3.777 9 місяців тому +53

    First time i’ve found you guys. This has part of the energy of horrible histories, but its its own universe. I love this so much. Subscribed in the first 20 seconds

  • @thorne9790
    @thorne9790 10 місяців тому +422

    I love how Wokingham, Pangbourne, Winnersh and Bracknell all turn up on the “Millennium 3000 cities” list, as they’re all much smaller towns very close to Reading

    • @mr22bishop
      @mr22bishop 10 місяців тому +26

      Pangbourne is just about a village, and the only thing notable about Winnersh is that it has a Park and Ride with no buses. Still, potentially more going for them than "used to make biscuits".

    • @Kromiball
      @Kromiball 10 місяців тому +1

      Wokingham?

    • @christopherwebber3804
      @christopherwebber3804 10 місяців тому +1

      @@mr22bishop and seeds and a brewery and a gaol for playwrights and a ruined church with some French speaking English kings buried there. Oh, and a battle against the Vikings and the walls of a Roman town/city. Still a rather ugly town, glad I lived on the outskirts.

    • @Stealth360stealth
      @Stealth360stealth 10 місяців тому +6

      Wokingham is pretty nice when it comes to connectivity, average salaries, average school ratings and just general feel. Its better than Slough, lets say that

    • @Thrill_Hou
      @Thrill_Hou 10 місяців тому +2

      @@Kromiballthere’s a movie studio near there if that counts?

  • @arch0051
    @arch0051 9 місяців тому +581

    I am an American who was living in Reading in 1999 and 2000. I remember how pumped people were to gain city status and how no one could tell me why it was important. I also remember how disappointed everyone was when it did not get it. Seeing the list of new "cities" since then does make me wonder what Reading ever did to Elizabeth II? I happened to have liked it and would grant it city status in a heartbeat.

    • @branbroken
      @branbroken 9 місяців тому +111

      Passed over for city status not once but 4 times. Even has a king buried there. Probably just considered as bad neighbours from windsors pov.

    • @RighteousReverendDynamite
      @RighteousReverendDynamite 9 місяців тому

      It has a stupid name that connotes a boring hobby done by lazy people who act soooo smart!

    • @diazinth
      @diazinth 9 місяців тому +74

      maybe books weren't her thing?

    • @markiliff
      @markiliff 9 місяців тому +6

      "Everyone"? Not by a long chalk. Unless you were talking mainly to royalists and local government panjandrums.

    • @joshuarosen6242
      @joshuarosen6242 9 місяців тому +9

      Reading is one of the dreariest places in England. It has no character at all compared to the vast majority of UK towns and has no right to be a city. I'm pleased to hear you enjoyed your time there but I bet you would have enjoyed most towns in England a lot more.

  • @owenhennelly5267
    @owenhennelly5267 9 місяців тому +3

    The little thing in the corner before the “ad break” was perfect. Chefs kiss

  • @paulketchupwitheverything767
    @paulketchupwitheverything767 9 місяців тому +8

    Brilliant, as always. Especially liked the typeface and colour you used for 'Salisbury', but there are so many clever little things in this video.

  • @morkryan8287
    @morkryan8287 10 місяців тому +414

    This is the most at-ease I have ever seen Jay and Mark in a video (and the most British). They feel like a proper UA-cam “institution” in their own right. Two old friends who have been in the “business” for (literally) decades continuing their great tv series.

  • @Minipipy
    @Minipipy 10 місяців тому +450

    As a resident of Reading, we are used to the constant tease of not being given City Status. I love how on the very last list, you listed all our neighbouring towns except us! Great episode!

    • @oootoob
      @oootoob 10 місяців тому

      Also, Reading is a shithole

    • @doppelplusungutmensch1141
      @doppelplusungutmensch1141 10 місяців тому +15

      Come to think about it, you have weird neighboring villages and towns. Playhatch, Wargrave, Three Mile Cross...

    • @janegeland7596
      @janegeland7596 10 місяців тому +8

      Indeed we are! And rather annoyed by the fact that we're still just a town ...

    • @andyhoudini
      @andyhoudini 10 місяців тому +9

      I spotted this too. Grew up in the Town of Reading, now I live in the City of Milton Keynes :)
      It used to be said that the statue of Queen Victoria in Reading faces the railway station because she hated the place so much.

    • @tricksor6589
      @tricksor6589 10 місяців тому

      Fucking Milton Keynes as if a worse shithole couldn't be given city status. What's next? Slough? @@andyhoudini

  • @davidmorrissey5075
    @davidmorrissey5075 9 місяців тому +7

    In Ireland, Kilkenny was given the title of city in the medieval ages due to the fact it was where the national parliament met. It currently has a population of around 27k people and presently holds the city title for ceremonial and tourism purposes

    • @cooldog1994
      @cooldog1994 Місяць тому

      that's about the same population as my massachusetts hometown, which has its city status due to america's surprisingly consistent rules on what constitutes a city

  • @charolastra606
    @charolastra606 9 місяців тому +1

    the black and white animated thingy in the corner ITV used before ad breaks was a great touch :D

  • @davekirwin
    @davekirwin 9 місяців тому +1308

    The level of effort put into each episode is a joy to behold, all the animations, cut away, jokes, in-jokes, many of them painstaking done for a mere few seconds of use - an utter treat! Thanks Jay and Mark. (ps. Getting Roger Tilling involved is next level)

    • @Varksterable
      @Varksterable 9 місяців тому +21

      Totally agree with this. And I know they are more experienced now than at the start, but I do have an urge to go back and watch all the other episodes.
      But with much more generous use of the pause button to pick up all the cleverly put-together jokes that flash by too fast to read normally.
      The dictionary, future cities and especially the list of what else Parliament has to do in this episode are just hilarious

    • @CharmEng89
      @CharmEng89 9 місяців тому +15

      @@Varksterable stopping to read all of them (getting burned by the one that said "you have time to write that email"), I half expected an Achievement Unlocked notification! (also, Neil Buchanan should alsolutely be given a knighthood)

    • @SomeGuy-yl1bx
      @SomeGuy-yl1bx 2 місяці тому

      It's been months and I just found the 'Beef Jerky' entry.

  • @HowardFingersTV
    @HowardFingersTV 10 місяців тому +1564

    I've always been interested in why Stoke-on-Trent, as a city, is actually 5 towns, of which Stoke is only 1 of the towns. And the official city centre is Hanley which is a different 1 of the 5 towns to Stoke which is not the city centre of Stoke-on-Trent

    • @roderickmain9697
      @roderickmain9697 10 місяців тому +145

      Stoke-On-Trent is actually 6 towns. Fenton, Longton, Hanley, Burslem, Tunstall ...and Stoke-upon-Trent

    • @fireaza
      @fireaza 10 місяців тому +144

      I'd be more interested to know why someone thought "Stoke-on-Trent" is a sensible name for a city, rather than some kinda curse directed at a guy named Trent.

    • @ShakeMilkyWay1
      @ShakeMilkyWay1 10 місяців тому +90

      so Stroke-on-Trent is 6Towns-on-Trenchcoat?
      where is the exit?

    • @youngarkas4994
      @youngarkas4994 10 місяців тому +24

      I think one of us had a stroke, I just don't know jet who.

    • @adrianthoroughgood1191
      @adrianthoroughgood1191 10 місяців тому +68

      ​@@fireazaIt's because it's a town next to the river Trent. There's another town called stoke elsewhere in the country and on Trent clarifies which one you mean. There are also 2 Newcastles, one of which is Newcastle on Tyne. It's like how in the US there are lots of towns with the same name and you specify the State to differentiate, except we do it with rivers.

  • @relampago5013
    @relampago5013 9 місяців тому +10

    Thank you for a well-researched, informative and entertaining video! I have no doubt that you have put a lot work into it. Thank you! 🙏

  • @AeroLowdown
    @AeroLowdown 9 місяців тому

    Loved the little "ad break coming" stripe xD Great video as always, another this bit of knowledge about the UK's ways

  • @GodsAwayOnBusiness87
    @GodsAwayOnBusiness87 10 місяців тому +111

    I lost it at "bursting with factory workers" while panning across the picture of elementary school children.

    • @bskibinski
      @bskibinski 10 місяців тому +1

      Glad i'm not alone!

    • @dubspool
      @dubspool 10 місяців тому +10

      The children yearn for the factory floor. You can’t blame them

    • @Rutherford_Inchworm_III
      @Rutherford_Inchworm_III 10 місяців тому +4

      Listen, structural steel doesn't hammer itself. Little Billy can buy shoes with his first paycheck.

  • @shvelgud
    @shvelgud 9 місяців тому +446

    Honestly these two could write Monty python level sketches if that’s what they got into. Brilliant witty & funny writing. Everytime. Love these guys!

    • @Prederick
      @Prederick 9 місяців тому +12

      "In the majority of the world, where it's not Britain" is a line that happens in the first 30 seconds and is pure, undiluted Monty Python.

    • @gui18bif
      @gui18bif 9 місяців тому +1

      The intermission is very pythonescque

    • @arthurb6882
      @arthurb6882 9 місяців тому +2

      I hate these Monty Python comments

    • @Varksterable
      @Varksterable 9 місяців тому

      ​​​@@arthurb6882Absolutely. I strongly disagree with them in both directions.
      They have almost _nothing_ in common stylistically.
      MP was Avant-garde, surreal.
      Mm is almost surgically constructed and highly educated.
      The only commonality is that (some people) find both very funny. And both use words. That's it.

    • @Varksterable
      @Varksterable 9 місяців тому

      "could write Monty Python level sketches.."
      Hmm. I do wonder how much of Monty Python you have seen, outside the well worn classics?
      And also how much of the intricacies of Map Man you actually 'get'.
      To paraphrase OP; "Being thrown into the Panama canal is like drinking a glass of sparkling Perrier water."
      Because both are wet, right?
      I do agree with your closing remark, though.
      They are all brilliant writers, performers and comics. And _always_ top-notch entertainment.
      Heck; Map Men even make their sponsorship ads worth watching. I want to start another company up just to sponsor them and see what they come up with!

  • @BunderChowed
    @BunderChowed 9 місяців тому +2

    Right that's it, Im subscribing!
    The advert warning in the form rectangle of stripes made me do it.

  • @jamesgillatt6810
    @jamesgillatt6810 8 місяців тому +6

    I was always curious about this topic as I am from Doncaster and can remember the town submitting multiple bids and not getting it despite much smaller places getting city status then Doncaster finally got it in 2022 for the platinum jubilee, good video and nice to know its because Britain does it's own thing lol

  • @charlottepatey79
    @charlottepatey79 10 місяців тому +325

    Thanks, from Reading. I don't think many of us here feel particularly aggrieved the Queen turned us down three times, more bemused.
    We were more upset when the council wanted to rename us Reading-On-Thames (something to do with search engines getting confused with the word reading).
    Also, very interesting to hear that Greater London isn’t a city. When I was a kid in 1987 we moved to Reading from London and my parents have always referred to visiting London as “going to town” and only referred to it as a city when they meant the very centre (Westminster). Goin into Reading town centre was always just “going to the centre”.

    • @aodhanmonaghan1268
      @aodhanmonaghan1268 9 місяців тому +9

      City status is granted to a council (a legal corporation.
      In the 1960s they expanded the County of London to include parts of Essex, Kent, Surrey, Hertfordshire and almost all of Middlesex.
      London County Council never had city status, as that was held by the City of London Council (the Square Mile).
      Essentially, places like Southall, Croydon etc are towns, that at some point were in the same county as the City of Westminster, and so were towns of the COUNTY of London, not the City of London, which was not in the County of London.
      Greater London no longer exists, so now we just have a bunch of towns that are part of "London Boroughs". A Borough Council or Town Council is renamed a City Council if it gets status. Like Southend-on-Sea Borough Council is now Southend-on-Sea City Council. Today only City of Westminster and City of London have City status. The rest of the boroughs are just collections of towns, villages and housing estates

    • @JordanMel
      @JordanMel 9 місяців тому

      this is so interesting

    • @LRC92
      @LRC92 9 місяців тому +6

      @@aodhanmonaghan1268 If there's no council, a city status can be granted to a charter trustee, Carlisle for example.
      Greater London still exists as both a county, region and administrative area (Greater London Authority).

    • @msinclair8261
      @msinclair8261 9 місяців тому +1

      You can change the name of Reading but my satnav will always pronounce it 'reading'.....

    • @tatianapreobrazhenskaya9777
      @tatianapreobrazhenskaya9777 9 місяців тому +2

      It's also peculiar that British monarch cannot enter the City of London without permission. From whom and how, go look up.

  • @tscinsanity1402
    @tscinsanity1402 10 місяців тому +1352

    As someone born and raised in Northampton, the rage I felt when Milton Keynes became a city is unfathomable
    Edit: This isnt to say MK is underserving of being a city, in terms of population, economy, relevancy and future potential. its probably superior to Northampton but it feels wrong that they got it before us. Afterall they were only built a little over 50 years ago, paling in comparison to our roughly 1100 years of solid history. But if it comes down to the Monarchs choice i guess we're still reaping the rewards from turning against the crown a couple times. Having one of the worst councils in the country also doesnt help.

    • @peterandhiscat
      @peterandhiscat 10 місяців тому +55

      I agree. Where is MiltonKeynesShire after all!!? I've previously lived in both places and am fond of both, but I do feel that Northampton is more deserving than MK .

    • @jessicastrike5640
      @jessicastrike5640 10 місяців тому +25

      Northampton has the Saints so if nothing else then this really should show we deserve to be a city

    • @n1thmusic229
      @n1thmusic229 10 місяців тому +14

      I mean even though it’s literally barely more than 50 years old, it is larger than Northampton now so it seems about right

    • @mygetawayart
      @mygetawayart 10 місяців тому +37

      Queen must've seen something in Milton Keynes that literally no one else saw

    • @Stealth360stealth
      @Stealth360stealth 10 місяців тому +30

      I mean all the criteria mentioned aside, MK certainly feels like more of a city, with its vast and varying districts, quirky 60s features and excellent connectivity, all designed to be self sufficient. Its the fastest growing place in the UK, it certainly deserves city status. This is from someone who lives near Reading

  • @samx2222
    @samx2222 9 місяців тому

    lol loved the queue dot to signify advert break was coming up!

  • @amaelcoutaz7179
    @amaelcoutaz7179 9 місяців тому

    Impressive work! I’m really glad that map men is back, it’s definitely a good way to keep in touch with my English skills. Cheers from Switzerland!

  • @mylex817
    @mylex817 10 місяців тому +651

    In case the Germany reference wasn't done on purpose: German city status is also fairly random, mostly based on historical claims to cityhood, that granted some political independence from the nobility.

    • @randuru
      @randuru 10 місяців тому +72

      That's town status, not city. A city - or Großstadt - is quite clearly defined by a population of 100k within city limits.

    • @PeterAuto1
      @PeterAuto1 10 місяців тому +91

      it's the first time I hear someone translating City as Großstadt instead of Stadt. I would have used major city as Großstadt. And town for Gemeinde.

    • @DuskHorizon
      @DuskHorizon 10 місяців тому +37

      I refuse to accept that there isn't a properly written rule with three exceptions that everyone has to learn in school. And a very long word for it.

    • @miri64
      @miri64 10 місяців тому +9

      ​@@DuskHorizon How else should we get Lernlebensfreude?

    • @mylex817
      @mylex817 10 місяців тому +62

      @@randuru City is by far the more common translation for Stadt, and it's also more historical accurate, as the German Stadtrecht corresponds closely to English city status.

  • @darinfoat8410
    @darinfoat8410 10 місяців тому +51

    It always takes me approximately twice the running time to finish a Map Men episode, because I have to constantly pause and read all of the clever graphics.

  • @UnknownMari
    @UnknownMari 9 місяців тому

    Is that a whacky wheels song at the end? 😆 Always love watching Map Men videos! 😁

  • @mary.ermachenko
    @mary.ermachenko 5 місяців тому +1

    Mark and Jay never get old! Have just been watching all the episodes from Season 1 etc, they look the same as young as six years ago

  • @ussamam1
    @ussamam1 10 місяців тому +291

    Paused to read the pamphlets and I died laughing at the Doncaster one, the attention to detail in these videos is astounding

    • @WyvernYT
      @WyvernYT 10 місяців тому +12

      "And Hove!"

    • @TravelSignal
      @TravelSignal 10 місяців тому +17

      Make Tesco's sell Golden Grahams again!

    • @casualonion
      @casualonion 10 місяців тому +6

      That ugly flyover is my reminder to brace myself for having to change trains at Donny.

    • @DSAhmed
      @DSAhmed 10 місяців тому +1

      Bloody, he's right. I do have time to reply to that email.

  • @gregorbeyer4286
    @gregorbeyer4286 10 місяців тому +86

    I paused for the "important things the government has to deal with" list and literally the first thing I read was "Install giant anti-rain dome over UK" 😂
    The Level of Detail you put into these Videos is just brilliant!

  • @EndlessNameless5
    @EndlessNameless5 9 місяців тому

    The dictionary at 2:45 is one of the reasons that I love Map men videos. Great one!
    The text at 3:10 made me feel bad, because I really DO have e-mails to reply...

  • @peenixtrite
    @peenixtrite 9 місяців тому +6

    Number 71 is such a pressing issue, honestly. I'm surprised it isn't number one on the list!

  • @Braddowski
    @Braddowski 10 місяців тому +72

    Medway forgot to reapply for city status because they were in the middle of a court case with Kent County Council over the correct reallocation of rescources. It got so petty that they asked for 1/3 of a minibus.

    • @pyromanic8
      @pyromanic8 10 місяців тому +16

      That's the Britain I know and love

    • @draftsmann
      @draftsmann 10 місяців тому

      Medway was never a city. The ancient city of Rochester was, until its incompetent council screwed up and lost its status.

    • @SportyMabamba
      @SportyMabamba 10 місяців тому

      @@pyromanic8Glorious

    • @TomDestry
      @TomDestry 10 місяців тому +7

      Front, middle or back?

    • @paulkurilecz4209
      @paulkurilecz4209 10 місяців тому +1

      @@TomDestry left side, middle down the length, or right side? Or, top third, middle third or bottom third?

  • @HawaiianShirtGuy
    @HawaiianShirtGuy 10 місяців тому +272

    London not technically being the capital city reminds me of my hometown of Douglas, which serves as the capital city of the Isle of Man but didn't actually become a city until 2022!

  • @matthiasman
    @matthiasman 9 місяців тому

    Oh my god, the ad break black/white in the top right corner… that was a hit of nostalgia.

  • @samuela-aegisdottir
    @samuela-aegisdottir Місяць тому +2

    Fun fact: The Czech language doesn't have te distinction etween town and city and as a result, I sometimes don't know which one to use when speaking English. I know that cities are bigger than towns, but where is the line? This video answered many questions I have, but did not help me in distinguishing which Czech settlements to call a city and which call just a town.

  • @pineapplegamer6986
    @pineapplegamer6986 10 місяців тому +273

    Love watching map men so well produced and I can’t believe you guys go through the effort to put all those small jokes and Easter eggs in single frames but they’re always a little treat

    • @Malforian
      @Malforian 9 місяців тому +5

      the black and white corner thing before a break got me

    • @derrickthewhite1
      @derrickthewhite1 9 місяців тому +7

      The list of things for the government to do first is hilarious. "make google pay taxes"

    • @Nooticus
      @Nooticus 9 місяців тому +1

      legends

    • @hux2000
      @hux2000 9 місяців тому +1

      Beatles reference in the Blackburn city bid (4,000 holes).

  • @joyrowancasey788
    @joyrowancasey788 10 місяців тому +113

    The number of random references to british media institutions in these videos makes me immensely happy. Love a good episode of University Challenge

    • @josephkarl2061
      @josephkarl2061 10 місяців тому +1

      I was just about to watch the latest episode 😂

    • @itxi
      @itxi 10 місяців тому +2

      Plus the little code in the top right before the advertisements

  • @DasTubemeister
    @DasTubemeister 8 місяців тому +2

    I’ve passed through places named a city in the USA, that consist of a trailer park, a gas station, and burger joint.

  • @licketyclick3952
    @licketyclick3952 9 місяців тому

    Just happened to pop onto this channel today - subscribed within 10 minutes and I have a bad habit of being too critical at times!!!😆 keep up the good work😊

  • @AlkalineOrion
    @AlkalineOrion 10 місяців тому +318

    Was hoping you'd mention the City of Llandaff. Llandaff has it's own cathedral (about 900 years old) and was given city status.
    But Llandaff is IN Cardiff, which is also a city. Which is in Wales, which is in the UK.
    So Llandaff has the peculiar status of being a city, in a city, in a country, in a country.
    (Llandaff's city status was never formally recognised by the modern UK government, however the welcome sign still reads "Welcome. City of Llandaff. City within a City)

    • @donotforgetmycode
      @donotforgetmycode 10 місяців тому +38

      The UK is in Europe, which is in Eurasia.
      So Llandaff is a city in a city in a country in a country in a continent in a continent.

    • @AymanTravelTransport
      @AymanTravelTransport 10 місяців тому +12

      Llandaff's historic city status in kinda on the same boat with St Asaph and St Davids cos both were cities by virtue of their cathedrals, but never formally recognised by the modern post-1974 government (Bangor was the only historic cathedral city in Wales to have its city status formally recognised in 1974). Incidentally, St Davids did actually lose its city status in 1888 when they abolished the cathedral rule to allow Belfast and Birmingham (later most of the other industrial giants) to become cities, only for it to be reinstated over a century later.

    • @garethaethwy
      @garethaethwy 10 місяців тому +1

      @@AymanTravelTransport there's them what says that Cardiff only got it's city status because of Llandaff... Not sure how true that is mind...

    • @TheCaptainSlappy
      @TheCaptainSlappy 10 місяців тому +3

      one moment
      "...or Laws of England in their Natural Order, according to Common Use." (in four Books), Tommy Wood, 1724
      **flips pages**
      ah yes, Book 1, Chapter 8, "Of Corporations or Bodies Politick"...
      **it was right here somewhere**
      "A Corporation is a Person in a Political Capacity created by the Law, and is a Body Politick fram'd by Policy or Fiction of Law to endure in perpetual Succession with Capacity to take and grant, to sue and be sued, & c.
      He who gives the first Possessions is the Founder of it, tho they are but of small Value. So that a common Person may be Founder, tho' the King shall afterwards endow it with great Possessions. It differs from a Franchise or Liberty, because they are Estates of Inheritance, and may be granted over from one to another." (More on Letters Patent as Company Charters later, with Gerard Malynes and Thomas Hobbes...or Lord Coke.)
      Okay so it says right there you can stack personal fictions as corporations, since corporations are personal fictions, using the Law of Transportation (Beyond the Seas) to stack Personae Cities-zens (denizens and inhabitants) on and in Cities, as long as Bocland Ledger Dominii is preserved in the Kings-Dome (Domes-Day Book)...as long as the royal company office (the royal we incorporated) does of course agree that it can be done and is not an unnatural impossible fiction since all fictions in pleadings are hereby abolished...yadda yadda...
      It's how they made a penal company called "Australia" in Britain, then set up the court system (probatio) with George 3 on the company books internally, then shipped the books (transported beyond seas) to Auscorp Prime along with convicts, while retaining "proprietorship and good graces, et al." in Britain.
      So technically, Australia was never a city or county or country, it was a probate court system run by an Admiral with a special charter commission by King George 3 (the absolute madman GENIUS!) to run "Auscorp Prison Industries".

    • @AymanTravelTransport
      @AymanTravelTransport 10 місяців тому +3

      @@garethaethwy never heard of that claim before, but what is certain is that Cardiff was awarded city status in 1905 after it petitioned for it, irrespective of any cathedrals within its boundaries at the time.

  • @captainchaos3667
    @captainchaos3667 10 місяців тому +211

    Fascinating and very British indeed. We have a similarly quaint system in the Netherlands. Cities were allowed to raise taxes, but in return they had to protect the population, so only towns with defensive fortifications were given city status. Resulting in lots of cities that are still very small by modern standards, and some big towns that aren't cities, like The Hague.

    • @highpath4776
      @highpath4776 10 місяців тому +5

      wasnt The Hague created to stop Amsterdam and Rotterdam fighting for who had the right to be capitol of the neatherlands?

    • @cecasander
      @cecasander 10 місяців тому +21

      @@highpath4776No, you're thinking of Brasilia.

    • @TCA17
      @TCA17 10 місяців тому +15

      ​​@@cecasanderno, he's thinking of Canberra. Brasília was not built to stop any dispute.

    • @klaxoncow
      @klaxoncow 10 місяців тому +3

      @@TCA17 No, I'm pretty sure he's thinking of how Washington D.C. isn't part of any state.

    • @adamcashin4021
      @adamcashin4021 10 місяців тому +9

      @@highpath4776 Technically Amsterdam is the capital. The Hague is just the seat of Government. I have no idea how the seat of Government isn't automatically the capital (other than in the event of a short term relocation).

  • @c.5095
    @c.5095 8 місяців тому +4

    As someone from reading, I’m simultaneously offended for my town not being a city and not at the same time

  • @joebramley3309
    @joebramley3309 9 місяців тому +1

    The editing for this is mint

  • @johnwood6750
    @johnwood6750 9 місяців тому +272

    A Cathedral is a church that contains the throne of a bishop. Cathedra = latin for seat or throne. Also "Satellite map animations PEADAR DONNELLY" probably explains why it was Derry on the map and not Londonderry. Thanks Peadar :)

  • @diofernic
    @diofernic 10 місяців тому +70

    10:31 Germany is actually really inconsistent with city status. The city of Arnis in Schleswig-Holstein only has around 300 people, and there are in total 11 cities with less than 1000 inhabitants throughout the country

    • @menoflowicz
      @menoflowicz 10 місяців тому +8

      Just like Poland! Here, technically speaking settlement may be either "miasto" (city) or "wieś" (village). There are no towns in legal language. Well, we have word "miasteczko" (literary a diminutive for miasto), but is used only colloquially and there is no real consensus what it means. Therefore smallest Polish city has 300 (sic!) inhabitants, whereas biggest village has 12.000. BTW it is also mostly a status thing - city does not have any special powers - these are held by "gmina" (community), which may consist of only one city, city and surrounding villages, few cities and surrounding villages or no cities at all. The only legal differences are probably in agricultural law, with some privileges for villages.

    • @joshuasanderson7359
      @joshuasanderson7359 10 місяців тому +15

      I came to the comments because I figured that they picked Germany in jest. Thank you for the confirmation

    • @Hoihaufen
      @Hoihaufen 9 місяців тому +2

      but at the same time we have fixed numbers for different levels of cities. there is no city under 5k unless it fulfils a central role in the region.

    • @henningbartels6245
      @henningbartels6245 9 місяців тому

      In my opinion Arnis is a town - not a city.

    • @KasabianFan44
      @KasabianFan44 Місяць тому

      @@menoflowicz
      I have heard an argument that Poland _does_ make a distinction between a town and a city - they just call them both _miasto_ anyway for some reason. The argument is that “towns” have a mayor, and “cities” have a president. But while it is true that the mayor-president distinction exists in Poland, whether this is equivalent to the town-city distinction is debatable. It certainly isn’t as much of a status symbol as in the UK!

  • @DoubleDeckerAnton
    @DoubleDeckerAnton 9 місяців тому

    Always informative...😁

  • @SudberyClare
    @SudberyClare 9 місяців тому

    You two are very funny! And your wordplay is excellent. I enjoyed this.

  • @francescogiovannizollo2989
    @francescogiovannizollo2989 10 місяців тому +201

    Fun fact. In Italy, we use a system similar to the British one: the title of city is granted to municipalities that have been awarded it by decree of the King of Italy (until 1946), or of the President of the Italian Republic (after 1948), by virtue of their historical, artistic, civic or demographic importance. Some cities even boast of the title by virtue of legislative acts of the pre-unification Italian states (pre 1861), or they do so due to very ancient and uninterrupted custom: in some cases, titles granted by pre-unification states have been ratified with norms of the Italian Republic; in other cases, the right to city status is instead sanctioned only by pre-unification deeds, technically not being even addressed by modern Italian legislation!

    • @JohnyG29
      @JohnyG29 10 місяців тому +5

      They do seem quite ignorant on how countries outside their own operate, usually defaulting to some bland statement that everything is better elsewhere.

    • @wiegraf9009
      @wiegraf9009 10 місяців тому +1

      @@JohnyG29to be fair it usually is. But in this case, no!

    • @Hobbyrepubliken
      @Hobbyrepubliken 10 місяців тому +8

      Sweden used a similar system until Säffle got City status. Then we stopped. Anyone who has been to Säffle understands why.

    • @slyasleep
      @slyasleep 10 місяців тому

      Grazie for this municipo-political insight

    • @Piridinio
      @Piridinio 10 місяців тому

      In Italy nobody cares about the official status of a city. My city has a thousand-year history behind it, it has been capital of an empire and capital of several barbarian kingdoms.
      And that is only for the first thousand years of its history
      So how can the official status of city give by the monarch really matter?

  • @ClearlyPixelated
    @ClearlyPixelated 10 місяців тому +84

    That handshake for Jay after sticking the landing for "cathed-rules" was well appointed! I couldn't agree more! One of your finest.

    • @jonevansauthor
      @jonevansauthor 10 місяців тому

      That was definitely sharp. Cathedral City sharp.
      (For those outside the UK, Cathedral City is a brand of less than good cheddar, sharp is a word used to describe cheddar that cheddar purists would probably be just as offended by as the concept of extra mature cheddar)

    • @crikeymiles
      @crikeymiles 9 місяців тому

      (For those outside the UK, “extra mature cheddar” can also refer to an unexpectedly attractive pensioner.)

  • @teroristi6107
    @teroristi6107 15 днів тому +2

    Just wait till you hear about Finland, where city-ness is decided by the municipalities themselves in the municipal council. It's like the bidding round, except no contest and everyone who participates wins.

  • @lassebong3902
    @lassebong3902 6 місяців тому +3

    Had to smile at the reference to Germany in the end. There may well be a size-regulation nowadays which can be revoked again, but there are quite many cities around here with "historic city right" which stays in place, even if the population is negligible. Similar to Britain, the right was granted by a souvereign and usually entailed such additional rights as holding a market or building a wall and taking tolls.
    Anyway, I discovered MapMen last week and I'm hooked. Well done!

  • @chrisassemble1282
    @chrisassemble1282 10 місяців тому +84

    To be fair to the queen, Reading did almost kill her when one of the escalators at the newly refurbished station collapsed only shortly after she rode it at the opening ceremony. I'm not sure I would grant it city status after that either.

    • @honkstheclown8631
      @honkstheclown8631 10 місяців тому

      Yeah! I'd only grant city status to a town that could *actually* kill me. Finish the job if you want to be a city, coward.

  • @DenisovichDev
    @DenisovichDev 10 місяців тому +77

    Reading the list of things that government should worry about was the most hilarious experience that I had today

    • @PJWey
      @PJWey 10 місяців тому +13

      Reading, or Reading? Given the video 😂

    • @DenisovichDev
      @DenisovichDev 10 місяців тому

      @@PJWey I don't know why I laughed at that!!

    • @juanpablosaenz9037
      @juanpablosaenz9037 10 місяців тому +1

      I think make Reading a city did not make the list... Am I wrong?

    • @DenisovichDev
      @DenisovichDev 10 місяців тому +3

      @@juanpablosaenz9037 indeed it did not. Somehow make Neil Buchanan a knight did. Which I think is absolutely necessary.

    • @joshguest1104
      @joshguest1104 10 місяців тому

      Unironically a great manifesto for a progressive party 😂

  • @KILLER.KNIGHT
    @KILLER.KNIGHT 9 місяців тому +3

    2:11 Let’s nit forget Daventry. 🤣

  • @54Immortal
    @54Immortal 9 місяців тому

    5:27 Omg I haven't seen that little thingy in the top right corner, signifying an upcoming advertisement break, in such a long time.

  • @liftlash98
    @liftlash98 10 місяців тому +166

    I am fascinated by this subject and as a Reading native, I'm okay with us being a humble town but I've also wondered why our fellow Berkshire friends in Windsor aren't a city. I'd have thought being a home of the monarch is a good case for somewhere being a city.
    Also as a Reading native, the skit from 10:46 is especially hilarious as Wokingham, Winnersh and Pangbourne all practically border Reading and Bracknell and Henley are close enough to walk to in a single day. Loved this.

    • @geezer1024
      @geezer1024 10 місяців тому +20

      i think being the biggest town in the UK is much better than being some random city anyways

    • @alternativeglasto
      @alternativeglasto 10 місяців тому +19

      I always say that the reason Reading never gets city status is because the queen - or king now - is from Slough.

    • @raverdeath100
      @raverdeath100 10 місяців тому +2

      hey, let's not be greedy - Windsor is already part of a Royal Borough with Crossroads on Thames (otherwise known as Maidenhead).

    • @jasoncallow860
      @jasoncallow860 10 місяців тому +4

      Reading can't become a city because the name confuses tourists. I was reading about it last week... oh wait!

    • @MaidaValeTom
      @MaidaValeTom 10 місяців тому +2

      Loved that bit of Detail 😂

  • @danielgwillim8220
    @danielgwillim8220 10 місяців тому +292

    How Southend-on-Sea gained it's city status last year is extremely interesting. Our MP David Amess campaigned for his entire career to become a city but never succeeded. He was assassinated 2 years ago while meeting constituents and his wish was granted posthumously as a mark of respect.

    • @waspsandwich6548
      @waspsandwich6548 10 місяців тому +7

      why are political assassinations so common in the UK??

    • @bruhngl
      @bruhngl 10 місяців тому +61

      ​​​@@waspsandwich6548they aren't. Aside from David Amess, the last one was in 2016 and before that it was 1990. That's not exactly common.

    • @Ealsante
      @Ealsante 10 місяців тому +43

      @@bruhngl 3 in about 3 decades, and 6 in 45 years, is actually very frequent.

    • @adrianaspalinky1986
      @adrianaspalinky1986 10 місяців тому +6

      Jo Cox.

    • @cacamilis8477
      @cacamilis8477 10 місяців тому +16

      ​@@bruhnglit's surprisingly more common per capita than many other similar countries in the past few decades, but by and large historically speaking? It's fine... I guess.. probably. ?

  • @CP-rg5mi
    @CP-rg5mi 9 місяців тому +4

    I don't see how the production of this piece could be made any more British than it is. Brilliantly evocative!

  • @mohammadsattar5488
    @mohammadsattar5488 9 місяців тому

    Love the humour here. Born and bred in Dewsbury and grew up on all the classics of TV from Monty, some mothers do have em, brookside, Hale and Pace ....there are honestly too many too mention and these guys are a great combination of some brilliant oldies.

  • @WuffiePhoenix
    @WuffiePhoenix 9 місяців тому +109

    The amount of detail on that page of definitions is extraordinary, great job!
    "Beef Jerky: doesn't start with M, shouldn't be on this list" and the sneaky merch promo are my favourites.

    • @IrtazaRehman
      @IrtazaRehman 9 місяців тому

      Yeah, don't know why people are not talking about it.

    • @ZER0ZER0SE7EN
      @ZER0ZER0SE7EN 9 місяців тому

      Mexico is not happy. No bueno.

  • @SnabbKassa
    @SnabbKassa 10 місяців тому +554

    Yes, but when youtubers incorrectly call small places "a town" we get to correct them in the comments, pretend we live there, and act offended, which is fun!
    And listing Derry as a UK city, as a monarch presumably once did just can't be argued with or cause any problems. jk

    • @jayplay8140
      @jayplay8140 10 місяців тому +48

      at least they spelled Derry correctly, meaning Map Men have won the internet today

    • @drunkenhobo8020
      @drunkenhobo8020 10 місяців тому +27

      @@jayplay8140 I thought it was spelled Londonderry. With a massive emphasis on the London?

    • @CloroxBleach-cq7tj
      @CloroxBleach-cq7tj 10 місяців тому +5

      ​@@drunkenhobo8020cos it is

    • @xxDEAGORxx
      @xxDEAGORxx 10 місяців тому +73

      @@drunkenhobo8020 Only word in the English Language with 6 silent letters

    • @Bracketmeister
      @Bracketmeister 10 місяців тому +30

      Oh no, it's happening again! Someone get the Good Friday Agreement in here!

  • @OfMoachAndMayhem
    @OfMoachAndMayhem 5 місяців тому +2

    @3:40 - do I get extra nerd creds by spotting the churches from SimCity 2000? XD

  • @Pikachu0071000CS
    @Pikachu0071000CS 2 місяці тому +1

    Long version's a bit hard to read at 3:10, so:
    '"Letters patent" is a fancy way of saying "a document that is officially issued by the Monarch." Like much UK law, what this technically means, and how this practically works in the real world, are different things. Technically, the Monarch can choose any town or village or motorway service station he likes, and bestow city status upon it. But practically, it's the government of the day who makes the decision, and then the final ceremonial stage is the bit where the Monarch signs a big piece of paper. Another important thing to note, is that even in the olden days, when the Monarch had genuine power, he wasn't actually turning places that were not cities into cities. He was merely making their already well established city status into official, monarchy-endorsed city status. If you've got time to pause the video and read this essay, you've got time to reply to that email.'

  • @MrFleit
    @MrFleit 10 місяців тому +134

    As a german I can confirm that we have a strict set of rules by which we promote a bunch of houses to a city!
    It's something like: if it's a city, it's a city...

    • @pdruiz2005
      @pdruiz2005 9 місяців тому +8

      You Germans also got rid of all the crazy little borders you had during German Empire times. Kings for Bavaria and Hanover, Prussian borders all over the place, with exclaves here and enclaves there. Made the county map of England look like a piece of rationality and logic. Thank God certain, ahem, ***events*** transpired to rationalize German maps. Huzzah!

    • @tancreddehauteville764
      @tancreddehauteville764 9 місяців тому +21

      If it was bombed by the RAF from 1940 to 1945 then it's a city!!

    • @chcucivtxzclccucifudohzfu6766
      @chcucivtxzclccucifudohzfu6766 9 місяців тому +4

      In Germany the term „Stadt“ (city) doesn’t mean anything but that the place once was awarded the right to call themself city. All that counts is the municipality as that’s the important unit. So some municipalities are allowed to call themselves city, others can call themselves market (as they had the right to host a market) but it all has no real value other than bragging rights.

    • @countcain
      @countcain 9 місяців тому +1

      I mean at least we TRIED to rationalise the rules by adding the rule of number of inhabitants to the existing rules. So basically now there is three ways to become a city in Germany. Why...

    • @timowagner1329
      @timowagner1329 9 місяців тому

      @@chcucivtxzclccucifudohzfu6766 and the bragging rights are meager at best. Though is has the nice side effect (at least in Hesse) that the city governement/ the local council can call themselves "Magistrat".
      But it is just as vague as you said, though there will be a ministerial guidline somewhere that makes the rule more concrete.

  • @TheGreene88
    @TheGreene88 9 місяців тому +450

    As someone from Reading. Seeing Wokingham, Winnersh, Bracknell, Henley and Pangbourne on the future list made me cry with laughter.

    • @CluelessNerd
      @CluelessNerd 9 місяців тому +14

      As someone from wokingham... I agree😂

    • @jamesdear3496
      @jamesdear3496 9 місяців тому +9

      @@CluelessNerd Wokingham gang ✊

    • @VadimkaMr
      @VadimkaMr 9 місяців тому +10

      as someone from Bracknell ... i hope we win , just for LULZ

    • @JamezPea
      @JamezPea 9 місяців тому +4

      ​@@VadimkaMrLULZ is that like ULEZ?

    • @hazza1230
      @hazza1230 9 місяців тому +3

      If Winnersh gets to be on that list, I think Woosehill should get a shout as well!

  • @johanmetreus1268
    @johanmetreus1268 9 місяців тому +2

    Sweden has a similar peculiarity. Here, a city is defined as having received the city rights from the crown, i.e. the monarch. Problem is that the monarch was removed from anything but ceremonial duties in 1975, and already before then was pretty much out of the whole ruling business, so no new cities in a fair while... and before that, the criteria was that the town either deserved to be a city, or that the crown decided a city was needed in the area and thus appointed the nearest village as now a city.

  • @stockportlad8560
    @stockportlad8560 9 місяців тому

    In Stockport, we're kind of the Reading of the North, every time it comes around to City bidding time again there is always a lot of local talk about it given the historical landmarks (Stockport Viaduct, start of the Mersey, McVities - all the big important things), the size of the town with a population of between 250-300k and the size of the area it covers being almost as big as Manchester but I don't think it will ever happen (not that I particularly care either way) because of it's very close proximity to Manchester and being less than an hour from other cities such as Leeds, Sheffield, Salford and Liverpool.

  • @justinbchen
    @justinbchen 10 місяців тому +151

    The US definition of the city is inconsistent and depends on the state. In California, for instance, all incorporated communities are cities like you described, but in some states, you have towns and villages that also have incorporated governments. Sometimes the definition is population-based and sometimes it is completely arbitrary.

    • @douglasgriffin694
      @douglasgriffin694 10 місяців тому +21

      Precisely. In Virginia, where I live, there are no cities, per se, there are instead independent cities, which function like counties. This is unique among states and leads to all sorts of difficulties with census data

    • @TA-eg9oi
      @TA-eg9oi 10 місяців тому +10

      In North Carolina municipalities can choose to be a village, town, or city no matter the population.

    • @henereye
      @henereye 10 місяців тому +11

      Here in Oregon, every incorporated community is considered a city. The exception is Clackamas County, which has a separate category of "village," which includes exactly one place, Mt. Hood Village.

    • @Marquipuchi
      @Marquipuchi 10 місяців тому +17

      In Massachusetts every piece of land is incorporated as either a town or a city, villages are located entirely within 1 town or city and do not have a government of their own. Towns can have some form of town meeting as governance. While cities have to have a mayor/manager and a council.. Some cities still choose to keep "town of" in their name, like the City of the Town of Randolph, MA.

    • @SamAronow
      @SamAronow 10 місяців тому +8

      California does have a handful of incorporated towns, but they are functionally identical to cities. Also California used to have townships, which were unincorporated towns and villages. When my mom was born, for instance, East Los Angeles was Belvedere Township, and before my hometown of Pasadena incorporated in 1886, it was two villages, Indiana Colony and Lake Vineyard, which were administered as part of San Gabriel Township.

  • @El-mq4bj
    @El-mq4bj 10 місяців тому +39

    I'm from Reading although moved away as an adult! Our theory as to why we never got city status was always general monarch dislike. Local legend was that Queen Victoria also hated Reading, based on the fact her statue in town faces away from the main town, towards the train station. If you look at the facts, yeah, it's a Saxon town, been there over 1000 years, has an abbey that was destroyed by Henry VIII, is mentioned in accounts of the English Civil War, has the prison where Oscar Wilde was locked up, a university that's fairly highly regarded (in some very niche areas anyway) and a decent amount of industry. There's even a Banksy now, so it's gotta happen soon right? Right???

    • @markiliff
      @markiliff 10 місяців тому +1

      "it's gotta happen soon"
      ↑ Oy! Stop trying to spend my council taxes on fawning to the monarch

    • @75oharas
      @75oharas 10 місяців тому

      I always though it was so it doesnt overshadow Windsor in prestege. Though they do like to misrepresent the population a bit by quoting the Reading Urban Area (233k ish) rather than actual Reading (174k ish) so while it is still a big town they still like to cheat a bit. (And theres otehr wierdness like i live in Lower Early 2 miles from reading centre but i am technically part of wokingham (7 miles away)

    • @jorriffhdhtrsegg
      @jorriffhdhtrsegg 10 місяців тому

      As someone from Reading, my theory is its because Reading is shite and lack enough culture to be a city, but rather a commuter base for people working in london. Plus, quite possibly the overinflated population figures due to being an ever-growing amoeba of suburbia and towns that are actually outside of Reading.

    • @jorriffhdhtrsegg
      @jorriffhdhtrsegg 10 місяців тому

      ​@@75oharasyeh, its cheating with the population. I believe they extended to nearby town of wokingham to include that which i would never say was reading. Centrally, its not small yet not really anything in comparison to actual cities. I mean, Bath or Oxford are smaller but internally seem to have features of being a city somehow...because in many ways are more facilitated centrally. There is a lot of large suburbs that could be (and probably are..) towns in their own right and are attached, so maybe that gives it cause for being a city? Or does it give it less cause by just having filled in gaps with stuff without necessarily doing much city-like facility? It does have a laarge red-brick university so perhaps.

    • @willholland1697
      @willholland1697 10 місяців тому

      "in some very niche areas" - is maths considered niche?

  • @Falkriim
    @Falkriim 9 місяців тому

    1:31 ooh now I’m in the mood for some Cathedral City

  • @rcexplores5331
    @rcexplores5331 9 місяців тому

    cracking job with an entire two pages of amusing definitions just to be onscreen for a handful of seconds. love those little details

  • @TeagueChrystie
    @TeagueChrystie 10 місяців тому +130

    This series fills me with so much joy. Please never stop.

    • @eastportland
      @eastportland 10 місяців тому +4

      Did you see #101 on the to-do list? 10:20

  • @Zergboy2
    @Zergboy2 10 місяців тому +37

    As someone who's lived in Reading for 18 years, I understand why the Queen hated Reading...

    • @koiyune
      @koiyune 9 місяців тому +1

      she hates words

    • @mattykeel8521
      @mattykeel8521 9 місяців тому

      been here for 19 years and I agree. but hey, we’re getting mentioned on UA-cam!

  • @dr.a006
    @dr.a006 Місяць тому

    That delayed “ow!” In the intro😂

  • @csanadhorvath
    @csanadhorvath 9 місяців тому +1

    those university pictures were AWESOME

  • @alt_zaq1_esc
    @alt_zaq1_esc 10 місяців тому +225

    You've mentioned that Japanese cities are defined by population size. That is true when the central govt awards city status to a town or village.
    Though, the city status won't be deprived even if the population falls below the 50k threshold.
    There are a handful of cities in Hokkaido region which once thrived with coal miners but now got less than 10k of population.

    • @stephenderry9488
      @stephenderry9488 10 місяців тому +29

      Tokyo's districts are all called cities, so I guess Tokyo is like a mega-Stoke-on-Trent.

    • @wiegraf9009
      @wiegraf9009 10 місяців тому +9

      @@stephenderry9488Tokyo I believe is translated as being a metropole and is the only one in Japan.

    • @Inferryu
      @Inferryu 10 місяців тому +19

      ​@@stephenderry9488 That's because they where all cities that grew to the point of merging together into a big massive megalopolis.

    • @dosta5652
      @dosta5652 10 місяців тому +6

      @@stephenderry9488 Right so technically Yokohama is the largest city in Japan

    • @reneartois616
      @reneartois616 10 місяців тому

      @@dosta5652 That depends on the time of day

  • @ASocialistTransGirl
    @ASocialistTransGirl 10 місяців тому +30

    10:14 that list of things for the government to do is amazing

    • @thomasawl
      @thomasawl 10 місяців тому +11

      I totally agree with the ‘Stop psychopaths from becoming CEOs’ and the ‘Change X back to Twitter’.

    • @ASocialistTransGirl
      @ASocialistTransGirl 10 місяців тому +7

      @@thomasawl I feel like all of the actual policy proposals are really agreeable

    • @KingCrafter999
      @KingCrafter999 9 місяців тому +2

      Based❤

  • @real_swiftydragon
    @real_swiftydragon 9 місяців тому +1

    9:40 that skit was amazingly comical!! I can definitely imagine those from Marazion who submitted the request to be exactly like that!! 😂😂