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i think the biggest mistake ep 11 made was just not showing how long rudy was depressed
Honestly, we had a whole arc about his ED and now we get 1 ep about him getting over his depression? doesnt balance out man...
@@bman3977 Yea, they could've alluded to it being like 2 weeks between the dragon fight and the thing w/ him and roxy besides him having sunken cheeks like he hadn't eaten since, and since it was
Yea , love the anime but that’s really my only nitpick , there’s so much content that many times they just end up cutting out important moments
@@bman3977 it was like 3 weeks of him not leaving his room, not eating, and not really talking to anyone.
Would you like 3 or 4 episodes of him sitting in his room?
The problem isn't the amount of episodes - it's about the showing of time passing - which it failed on. I also think the show would've done better to add some specific scenes that were cut from the LN.. like the party's talk before Roxy went in to console him, or the line about how even if he broke a promise it isn't right to continue to break it when he says he has to "stay faithful" to slyphie at the campfire, or if Rudy gave more pushback from Elinalise about marrying Roxy... There's a lot of context that could have made the episode more palatable to "modern" audiences, but at the same time, I personally thought (as an anime only) there was no chance we were getting out of episode 23(11) without him and Roxy doing it. The only way I knew about those skipped scenes were from skipped content videos.
Dont have them tell us in 1 minute, show it to us. Show more of the aftermath of Paul's death, to everyone, to Roxy, n especially to Rudeus. Show us more abt the talk between Roxy n Rudeus, n not just a snap n into bed. Show us more of Rudeus breaking down, lashing out, n finally caving into Roxy's offer. This whole episode moved so fast that I didnt know what dafuq to feel, one minute we were mourning Paul n the next Roxy made the move, it was ridiculous.
They did an amazing job in ss1 during the Paul n Rudeus fight, dedicated 2 whole episodes for it. But here, for a much more important event, it only got like 15 minutes? Fvck this.
Grant: I didn't know it was coming but it didn't surprise me at all.
Sylphie: I didn't know it was coming but it didn't surprise me at all.
Edit: Yes, I know Sylphie knew what type of man she married.
It's 69 likes I can't press it sorry man
@@lricus you can press now
Sylphie definitely saw this coming. She said it literally after they got married.
Rudy: I came
She did saw it coming, honestly she was happy that it was Roxy, a person Rudy respects the most and not some random gal
Typical Milis acolyte behavior.
laughed so hard at this
Nah, he likes trashy harem drama, but let's be honest... this could have been done better in the anime.
@@jacklantern I spilled water from my nostrils as I read your comment. Thank you for the laugh.
@@raec5426apparently in the LN it was. There was way more context and Rudy is constantly thinking and feeling guilty about what he has done. The adaptation was just that bad. It was a crazy roller coaster of quality:
Ep10- AMAZING
Ep11- COMPLETE UTTER GARBAGE
Ep12- AMAZING
lol
@@onesmileybaldy8303 Yeah, I saw videos on skipped content.
I don’t know why people are so surprised they played it off in the anime as a joke but he really does worship Roxy.
literally his life force he depended on for 3 years. That's not inconsequential
@@Jackie_Tikki_Tavi facts, that whole Ark was insane when he was adventuring on his own before he went to the academy.
The man had a worship box for Roxy's underwear.
shes the person who made him actually leave the house for the first time in years. absolutely understandable.
last episode leave out to much context, no wonder it felt forced.
1.- Rudeus spended 3 hole weeks shut in his room people were really woried he didn't want to talk to anyone.
2.- Gease sugested that sleeping with some one woud get him back on its feet and wonder why Elinalise didn't want to be the one, But Elinalise knew that sleeping with the husband of her grandaughter and best friend of her fiance woud be a terrible mistake she cud not take back so she say, "maybe but I cano't be the one to do it"
3.- Roxy asked why not Rudy? Elinalise told her, becouse he is married to my grandaughter who is expecting his child. Roxy was destroyed by that revelation, she droped her drink and tought about all the flirting she did in the laberynth and how Rudy was receptive to her advances in a way she had never experienced before, she really got her hopes up this time and now this?
but her feelings wern't important right now, she wanted to help Rudeus.
4.- Even tho the tought of sleeping with him did cross her mind she didn't tought Rudy woud want to do it with her, she genuinlly came to chear him up and talk to him as a person, when they got closer and she fell in his lap she cudn't hold out any longuer and neather did Rudeus, it was a thing of the moment.
5.- Rudeus indirectlly told Roxy that he is from another world By telling her about a man that faild his parents and now he canot go back to fix his mistake. she leasen carefully siting naked in the bed in front of him and ansure "then YOU can onlly cherish the familly you have in front of you"
6.- even after Elinalise talked to Rudeus in the forest and even tho Rudeus did want to make both of them happy and love them both in diferent but equally intense ways the one he promise her fielty was Sylphie, he was gonna reject the idea off taking Roxy as a second wiffe, Then Elinalise told Rudeus that Roxy may be Pregnant and what he wanted to do about it.
Rudeus cud not leave Roxy alone bearing his child, he told her that he will take responsabillity and will take Roxy as her Wiffe but will need to talk it first with Roxy and Sylphie.
he did cheat, and he didn't told Roxy about his wiffe, and Roxy did tok advantage of an emotionally vulnerable Rudeus, what they did was horrible and much more than a dick move but with this extra context its a significantly diferent picture, its a messy situation tht they will have to deal with.
and make no misteke, this cud have been just as bad if not worst than when Eris left Rudeus thing is that time Rudeus was allone... this time he had Roxy
i feel like youre talking in ln version which is i dont understand alot of it cause the anime version is simplified pretty much rudy is having a hard time just take out side characters roxy is the one helping rudy and sx happen why he recover so fast? well its link to norn depression she also recover fast pretty much cry it out and rely on someone simple and its just what to do nxt the only out of context is roxy knowing he has wife someone probably told her who knows
Yep they cut alot of contents which is weird after watching ep 11 so now the whole last episode is the marriage??
The scene felt like the mirror image to Eris learning of her grandfather's execution. Now though, help wasn't asked for, and rather, was offered, and Rudeus took Eris' position.
@@akitski021 its too simplified to a point that the characters motives were shallow, if they had a few more episodes to work with, im pretty sure they wouldve fleshed it out beautifully.
I wouldn't call what they did horrible. Rudy was slowly killing himself. Roxy knew what she was about to do and did it anyway because the price of Rudy dying was worse. They didn't have an intention to destroy a marriage but climb out of a pit of darkness. Roxy was mourning Paul, too.
By no means I would call it a wonderful thing, but comparing evil to a lesser evil is what hardship and difficulty is.
If your still watching Mushoku Tensei, I doubt a harem route would stop you at this point.
bro the uploader of the vid is not gigguk
@TrickyJebus I'm making a statement. NOT a direct response to gigguk
Mushokou Tensei was my favourite anime before I picked up the light novel and found out about the harem route. I was so turned off that I have not watched the second part of season 2 and I will never watch this anime ever. I hate Rudeus for doin this and hate Sylphie more for accepting that kinda behaviour
@saksham5829 Did u just not care for all those other times ppl were cheating on their spouse?
Aight then.
@@halkun7191 who else was idk what u are talkin about
Episode 11 was incredibly annoyingly done. I get your frustration.
Roxy DID NOT know he was married initially. She kept flirting during the Labyrinth because she didn't know then. She only knew about Rudeus' marriage after he isolated in his room for 3 weeks. FOR THREE WHOLE WEEKS.
The whole team was thinking of taking Rudeus to a escort to give him some way to decompress, and during that conversation, Roxy FINALLY LEARNT ABOUT RUDEUS' MARRIAGE (she even got frustrated with Elinalise for not telling her).
Additionally, Roxy decided to try to connect to him when he was completely down, accepting there was a chance to go physical, but not thinking she was attractive enough for Rudeus. They did Roxy bad with that episode.
Apparently the novel did it way better. It seemed like a few days at most in the anime! It made Roxy look like a predator and Rudeus moving QUICK. With the better context, it's more to stomach. Harem shit aint for me but they somehow made it work in the final episode.
Hope that they improve some of this on the BD
this is where the anime adaptation did the wrong change
Dont forget it never the deed itself what help rudy in novel, doing it with roxy just help rudy clear his head but it not solve his whole problem
After they wake up rudy telling roxy a fictional story about a man who make a mistake to his past family, get reincarnated and repeat the same mistak to his current family, and roxy answer for what he need to do what actually help rudy to accept what happen to paul. Anime really downplay this scene a lot.
I hope they can fix it on bd ver but meh i doubt they will.
Idk what ep you watched cuz I'm anime only and got all of that info from the episode itself. The only thing you said I didn't know was the party considering an escort for him and imo that's a small enough detail to leave out.
They didn't add the bit where rudeus thought roxy was pregnant because elinalise said that roxy didn't get her period yet, so rudeus decided to take responsibility
it was mentioned in the last episode
@@GoldenFlash0 she mentioned it as a “what if” but nothing definitive. Meanwhile in the LN she said Roxy hadn’t had her period in weeks. There is a significant difference between these two
im glad he didnt got the spoiler about the family drama. also judging from the review it seems cutting the talhand, elinalise, geese and roxy bar meeting and elinalise pregnant conversation is a complete mistake
Thats the thing I thought was gonna be 100% there. I can forgive the conversation about coming from another world, but the bar convo was needed to understand the context.
@@rammycanales3784even the convo after they had sex was needed too, bc it shows that his depression didn't just magically disappear after they done it. It was just a way to clear his mind so that he can actually sort out his feelings and talk it out with roxy
@@rammycanales3784not even that though. Rudeus and how bad his depressive state from Paul dying wasn't given justice. He was so depressed that he starved himself for 3 weeks and the anime made it felt like it was just a day later when Roxy came into Rudeus' room.
I kind of appreciate that we feel wierd and unsure about the the harem aspect, because the characters themselves feel that way also. I think is kind of realistic. Sadly in the anime we never hear the internal thoughts of the girls.
Season 2 gave us something we didn't think season 1 would - an intro. Imagine if season 3 will give us new narrative perspectives. Would be appropriate too since Rudy is making peace with his previous life and embracing the current fully. He always felt like a fake this entire time, so it's like the show was refusing to show what he himself could not "see".
@Jackie_Tikki_Tavi Yeah, undeniably, Rudeous has changed a lot. The primary aspect is that he now treasures the people around him and is ready to sacrifice himself for them. Something that was unconcibable for him in his previous life. Also, you are right. In the next season, more plot threads arise, the structure of the whole story reveals itself, and the repercussions of Rudeouse's actions kind of come back to hunt him, so I hope people look forward to it.
Only problem I have with the harem is that a lot of it happens through drama… be it misunderstandings with eris or through Paul’s dead. It feels forced to make him end up with all starter Pokémon.
@sirnonsense5033 I agree 100%. The thing with Eris was that the author got rid of her because she was getting in the way of the Harem route, despite making no sense. However, I still think that despite this aspect, once the harem is formed, the characters continue to act in a somewhat believable manner.
@@santiagovillarreal7306I don't remember if it was ever explained in the anime the reason why Eris left and so I'll leave a spoiler warning to talk about it.
POTENTIAL SPOILER AHEAD
Eris leaving makes sense since she always felt inferior to Rudeus. You'll see it prominently on their journey through the Demon Continent with Ruijerd especially when Rudeus first got his eye and they had a sparring match and when they met Orsted. She felt that she is too weak to stay beside Rudeus and wanted to grow stronger without being a burden to him not knowing what would happen to him if she just abruptly leaves. It makes sense for her character at that point to leave Rudeus. It isn't just so the author could kickstart the harem route. I'd argue that Eris leaving Rudeus actively harmed his chances of growing his harem since he gained an Ed and cured it through his love for Sylphy. Rudeus was a faithful man at that point and it took another traumatic event and a figure that he worships and respect in Roxy who has the one to bear the responsibility of reviving the harem route for it to happen.
The final episode has come out and has answered the questions garnt asked
isnt it 25 episodes?
@@lukasky4666I'm pretty sure episode 0 counted
I agree, the last episode was done perfectly
What? Rudeus and Roxy still got off scot-free. It felt like the show was bending over backward to let them have absolutely no consequences. Sylphy just being like "oh I expected that, okay welcome :P" felt so forced, and even if it didn't, it still sends a stupidly awful message for a show about self-improvement. "Just leave it to others to be okay with/clean up after/placate to your fuckups" was not the kind of thing I expected Mushoku Tensei to go with
@@Charnutboy The only real fuckup is that he broke a promise he just wasn't destined to maintain let's be honest with ourselves here. I'm not justifying his actions, I still despise what he did, but neither does the show let him get away with it. There is still a lot of little inconveniences that come with having 2 wives and reestablishing that Rudeus is infact a huge pervert (wich just hinges his relationships with those around him, especially Norn). All in all, I think what I read in the novel was a very realistic depiction of depression, making mistakes in times of sadness, and growing out of them.
The problem with episode 11 is that there is no context to it, and that's because the cut out massive amounts of stuff from the novel in that episode. Like, you know, the WHOLE FUCKING REASON FOR ROXY TO DO THAT.
As a fan of the series for over 10 years ever since the Web Novel was coming out: I thought that was fair criticism
A lot of it is due to how the anime adapted it though, they left out quite a bit that would make it more justifiable, and just make more sense overall. The light novels explain what actually happened a lot better than the anime does.
@@Xx0ME0xXI was also FUMING when I finished this episode,but then I learned how much they cut out and instead of getting mad at the content adapted I got mad at the adaptation itself. It’s THE worst episode of the series,that’s how shitty of a job they did in conveying what happened. It hurts a lot more considering it came right after my favorite episode of the series.
Ye it's a fair criticism. Because of the adaptation it makes it harder to understand but it doesn't make it right.
@@Xx0ME0xXWhat are you on about? The LN makes it even worse.
@@damn51that was so far and away from what they said.... can these youtube commenter's fucking read? He ain't say it made it better or worse, but that the LN explained things better.
Simple reading yall. Stupidity kills
You probably already know this, but the anime skipped alot and altered a scene because the backlash would have been...WAY worse. Ultimately they had to get to the same end point. They could have added one bar converstation and made the passage of time post-battle more clear. Then it would have felt right and had the context it needed. The show runners definitely didn't adapt ep 11 right...maybe in the DVD.
Literally probably 3-5 minutes worth of added air time. They should have cut the OP and ED that week, solved.
You must've come from a different timeline. Try watching out timeline's version of part 2 ep 11, they removed the OP. Still could be better though, but I can't imagine having even less content due to the OP.
/jk jic
@@musketeer2727 I always skip the OP, didn't double check before posting. I meant that they could have used that time to add in the scene. I still think they could have editted down some of the other scenes to make the time for the missing piece from the light novel that clears up Roxy's motivation...but maybe you understood that and that was the "jk". Sorry, I don't read text cues too well, couldn't tell.
@@yevaud6 yes, everyone goofs up sometimes, don't worry about it.
Agreed they could have had more screentime for a lot more development by cutting OP and ED, just like how S1 had no OP at all. But then again S1's quality should be treated as an outlier, not the norm. Overall, S2 still hit the general story beats well enough, and I'm more than satisfied with most of the season, especially how the hydra fight played out.
This kind of writing reminds me how Rudy saved children from slavers once and then later just nonchalantly went on a "date" with his childhood friend to a slave market and bought a child slave. I know slavery exists in the world & Rudy can't do anything/or care about it. But at least, charcter wise, as a modern man who fought slavers, he should stay away from the market?
Yeah sure, why not
Who cares about them. This is such a western take. “We must save everyone complex”
the market isnt only with slaves lol,its like saying stay away from the mall cuz you are against oranges....weird
The beastfolk children were being kidnapped. Julie's situation was that her parents were broke and starving, so they had no choice but to sell themselves, as surviving in a world full of monsters, especially in the northern territories with harsh winters, isn't exactly easy. Most of the slaves were in similar situations and had to sell themselves to survive.
Nah not his problem
I didn't know that saving Rudeus' life is considered a mistake now
They lack critical information
you missed his point completely.
@@kynexiz2685 and most of his Point is because of the lack of context that the Anime cut yes what they did was wrong every one knows that including the characters in MT However a massive amount of the context was cut and it makes what happened a lot easier to understand.
@@The_CodFish69 You REALLY missed his point. His point is not entirely about how it was done, the most important thing is the lack of consequence, not the action in of itself.
@@lucckyZ and have you read the novel because his point literally falls apart with the missing context + what happens in EP 12 so maybe he should have waited one week b4 uploading a hot take.
If you are thinking that it's gonna be better in terms of morality, well, it doesn't
From reading the comments I find it strange that so many people are trying to justify Rudy's infidelity while Rudy himself didnt lmao
the only problem is in rudys head,because he said he wouldnt get a second wife,but sylphie said she expects it to happen,no1 but rudy himself had a problem with it
To anyone who is feeling the same emotion as the Giggster right now, I implore you to read Volume 12 Chapter 10-13 of the Light Novel. There were alot of Rudy and Roxy’s part of the story that weren’t covered in the anime that I think is really important.
If you still feel critical of what they’ve done after reading, fair enough. I just think it is unfair to be harsh on them without knowing their side of the story, that’s all.
I wish this season had at least 1 more episode to adapt what was left out but it is what it is.
Every time Roxy flirted with Rudeus in the dungeon I always said "wait till she hears he has a wife" and just laughed about it. I never thought that it would evolve to this mess lol. Rudeus is jus like his dad bruh.
Oh Norn addresses it alright
But it's suddenly fine cause Paul did it too, that argument is so weird.
@@peenoice5176to be fair Paul did it because he was seduced and couldn't keep it in his pants Rudy did it because he was at his lowest and it was elinalise that pushed him to marry her (and in the LN she convinced Roxy to do what she did). It's still not right but Sylphie was still compassionate to understand and it wasn't that surprising to her since Rudy talks about Roxy all the time, she's basically okay with it as long as it wasn't nanahoshi lol. She figured he would only be with another girl if he wanted to bring her to their family.
@@soul4178 I meant they used it like an excuse to shut norm down but you now realistically it's a dumb excuse.
He got bitched at for 5 minutes and walks away with two wives. Wow such consequences
@@peenoice5176 its not a dumb excuse,norn is being a bici,you forget polygamy is only an issue with her because of her specific religion,that only SHE follows in that house (well her mom to but doesnt rly matter),sylpie is ok with it,she even likes roxy very much,what norn thinks shouldnt matter to the people involved,shes not a part of it,and again...her dad did it,and her mom accepted it even when it was against her religion,her getting so mad on sylphies behalf is exagerated,also norn has no room to speak considering her relationship
I'ma say it, the light novel did it better, they could have made a 2 episode buildup that explores rudi's psyche, and show more of Roxy's perspective, in the LN it is mentioned that ptsd is like a curse in this world, and they way to get rid of it is to make the person suffering it face the same pain and conquer it, and Roxy tries to take the pain from rudi by letting whatever he wants with her, and so afterward rudi opens up about his feelings and it turns out that he was still suffering from the death of his original parents, and at the end of the book he says that now he grew up as a person, and can move on for the sake of his family
ye i get wut ur saying and agree, but the production of a anime and the writing of a novel is completely different, lets cut the studio some slack, I bet the ppl who worked on it also wanted a better outcome.
@@alephnull7446 they only needed to animate people talking, this is almost equivalent to when Game of Thrones started getting bad, it's when the writers lost their love for the story and didn't care about it
@@alephnull7446 but the anime must atleast deliver the messagge properly, this is why game of thrones is getting bashed because the huge ass plot that makes it good was changed, and in mushoku tensei the reason why the harem worked out and was okay was because of how its written well. the anime failed the LN in episode 11. its supposed to be another depressive episodes for rudy and a realization about his past life, the death of paul was supposed to be a moving forward and realizing about his parents in the past. and this time he wasnt alone to face the death and thats the role of roxy here. anime adaptation are suppose to follow the major plot of the storyline and this thing is major yet they didnt even give an anticipation about it which makes it worst and really distatsteful even for the fans of the series/LN
@@n_y_a2 they wanted to stick to the 24 episode limit which is a disadvantage in this case, I'm watching Frieren right now, and so far i see that it doesn't care about how much material it puts into one episode, sometimes the conclusion of a plot form the previous episode is resolved in the middle of the next episode, and a new plot starts from the middle, and the first season is 28 episodes, which means that they gave the adaptation of the different plot points the time it deserves, but for MT the goal was to forcefully make the stars align so they could fill the 24 episode limit.
@@JoseTheKrakenI’m pretty sure everyone knows that the LN has more detail and is better in most cases of this series. It was mentioned that cursed in their world is like PTSD in the episode they save Roxy from the labyrinth and planning further. Frieren was a different beast being able to take on 28 episodes (4 episode special when it first aired). Sadly if only Mushoku had a couple extra episodes, I’m pretty sure the animators and production crew would include the smaller details and explain things much better like the LN
10:55 Yes he actually gets pushback but only from his sister😂
Though it's instantly shut down pretty quickly. But it's something.
And cliff, just not in this season
@@holdeenyo8914 But cliff belongs to that looser religion 🤣🥁
Poor, sweet innocent Garnt, Turning point 4 are the consequences (For you fellow LN readers you know what I mean 😜), Also the fact that they didn't show the conversation with the rest of the party while Rudy was in his room removes a fair bit of critical information and context which puts what happened with Roxy and Rudy under a slightly different lens. I think that they managed to do an Okay job but Rudy's thoughts during that scene with Roxy as well as the discussion she had with the rest of the group prior are important.
Not saying that is excuses what happened but adds more key information that softens the reception and makes it a tiny bit easier to swallow.
Garnt sorry to break it to you, but MT isn't about becoming a better person, is about not wasting a second chance he didn't deserve, Rudeus Learns that his original life Behaviors are deplorable and leaves them behind as much as he can, but he can also relapse and it can be catastrophic, Novel readers would know
Yes, but what is wasting a new life more than by not becoming a better person?
Not a novel reader, but that's what I got out of watching the anime. People mistake Rudeus' character development to be him becoming a better person, but that's not really what it's all about. It's about living a life that one should live, the constant struggle between his past and current self, and learning how to grow from his mistakes. As Rudeus points out in the end of S2, he'll probably keep making mistakes, but he accepts that and is willing to do something about it instead of just wallowing like he did in the past.
@@TheAdminSlayer he Becomes a better person by living his life to the fullest and learning from. The mistakes along the way, but he isn't actively trying to be a. Better person, its just a secondary effect of his choice to live to the fullest
Also this Paul tragedy is the final catalyst for Rudeus's Character from now on, Everything from here on out is to protect his family, and he doesn't give a shit who he has to kill in order to protect them
Past life: no hoes
New life: all the hoes
I enjoy the series so I watch uncut contents to supplement my enjoyment. But for anime only viewers they have a valid reason to hate everything that happened in episode 11 because in the end that's what made the final cut for the episode. My friend ended having the exact same reaction Garnt had and hated Rudeus even more. On the other hand I was more open to what happened even if I don't commend both Roxy and Rudeus's actions.
When he mentioned about EP 10 airing on father's day, it reminds me of Fate/Zero audacity on Father and Mother's day; Kiritsugu was put through the ringer with that.
Hot take. I get that It’ll turn into a harem in the end because thats what this anime is, but really? To cheat as a way to cope with his fathers death? doesn’t help that roxy basically pity fckd him because he was so depressed for so long
I mean yea...people use sex to cope with a lot of things
Well, I mean after weeks of not eating and hardly drinking anything, rudy wasn't listening to anyone. They were all trying to pull him out of it but nothing was working. So geese brought up to everyone that sex can pull a man out of this. But since sylphie wasnt there, and they didn't think rudy would feel good about sleeping with a random person at a brothel, they basically begged enelise to sleep with him but she kept refusing no matter how much they pleaded with her, they even brought up Lilia sleeping with him, but that got shot down. Roxy after thinking about it for a long time decided that she'd do it if it would save rudy.
Just wish the anime showed how desperate of a situation it was.
@@Dafiid22well said, the anime omitted such key details that could somewhat justify Roxy and Rudy sleeping together, and also the part when Rudy opened up to her about his past life, his poor decisions and asked for her opinion
Roxy didn't pity fuck him. In both executions of this scene, anime and LN, Roxy was very much in love and fully attracted to Rudeus. Her only transgression which is admittedly a big one, is that she allowed it to happen despite learning about Sylphie cause she was that down bad with Rudy.
In LN it was unexpected to her when he made a move but ultimately she couldn't ignore her own desires and gave in to the temptation immediately. In the anime they whore-ified her to a certain degree so that she instead acted like a bunny in heat all for the sake of saving his life. She saved his life in both cases it's just that in one case, she looked like a bitch in heat which is unfortunate.
Ultimately, Roxy was always my favourite girl from this series so I am immensely happy she didn't lose the race (always hoped she would reunite with Rudy first). I like Sylphie to a very similar level cause like how can't you not love her? She's fucking adorable and an absolute sweetheart. But Roxy will always be my favourite and I am just so happy that Sylphie is such a sweet girl that recognised how important of a figure Roxy was to Rudy and allowed her as his second wife.
Also he didn't just recovered after doing it with roxy. It was to clear his mind so he can actually sort out his depression by talking to roxy about his past life and the mistake he Made, up until now. After that was when he started to recover
His sadness over his dad was not solved. He just got over the feeling of giving up and hopelessness.
They skipped so much context in the anime from the LN. If you feel like the pacing is fast read vol12 of the LN it should fill the gaps. Part 2 really needed 1 mire ep atleast
I felt the exact same way when I first saw it. It did seem like an off-episode, however I really loved 12 and I think his sister's reaction is perfect
I hope we get his thoughts after episode 12
Elinalise told Roxy to do it. It was so much better in the Light novels Sylphie knew that Rudy was probably gonna do so and had already premediated a response (You can see her response in the LN and next episode), Elinalise also knew that Sylphie wouldn't have any harm. In the Universe, polygamy is completely fine (as long as your not a devoted Millis follower). In the LN, Paul's death had a much greater impact on Rudy: it took him loads of Chapters to get over it. The episode however had to cut out loads of it as they can't really do the entire outcome. Furthermore, next episode Norn is gonna rail Rudy for it and Rudy will have some shit taken but Sylphie will just shut her down. The next episode makes up this episode.
Elinalise didn't tell Roxy to do anything. Geese was talking shit to Elinalise saying that she's said that sex could help men out of depression, and that she would normally be all over a man in the state that Rudeus is in. Roxy just took it more seriously than she should have and presented a temptation for Rudeus. Rudeus even thinks to himself that it didn't actually help, and it only just shifted his focus to a different problem. It was the heavily abridged discussion after the fact that helped that really should have been kept in the anime by also removing the ED from the episode as well to fit it in the time slot. Episode 11 should have been like the last episode with no OP/ED.
Rudeus was in love with Roxy, she was his first love, practically a goddess to him; hell he calls her goddess during the anime. So I wasn't surprised how things turned out. Honestly the moment I saw her I had a feeling his loyalty wouldn't last, Paul's death was what tipped him over. However, the anime skipped a lot of important context given in the books.
also even the first opening spoils the RGB thing
What he said is literally my every thought for the last few episodes.
Everything just felt so rushed and they made it look like that cheating is completely fine. It felt like the show was gaslighting me into thinking that cheating was really normal in that world. I really expected for Rudy reject Roxy after she told him that she knew he had a wife and kid the whole time and still took advantage of him, but then it felt like Rudy ignored everything she had just said and went on with it. Also even if Sylphy was ok with it, what about Norn??????? Does she just not exist???
They've completely thrown away Rudy's entire season of character development with those episodes bro.
The exact thing Hitogami didn't want to happen...
I always see hitogami's warning as "I will make you regret it" rather than "you will just regret it somehow" becuase of turning point 4
@@KuroAshi_senpaithe revelation lol
Turning point 4 that make everything clear TwT next season will clear everything up
@@KuroAshi_senpaiyeah that's actually what he was saying dude. This God is manipulative. He even keep make Rudy separate from Roxy since Eps 12 season 1 to Season 2 Eps 4 and the last one S2 eps 18.
He really don't want Rudy to meet Roxy. The purpose of All his advice only to Kill Rudy, Separate Rudy and Roxy, and Kill Roxy. Its Just Rudy and Roxy fate was strong enough that he can't do anything about it.
In EPS 12 Rudy almost meet with Roxy, but hitogami advice made Rudy meet up with Kishirika. And because of that Roxy can't find Rudy when she look at Eris and Ruijerd Training.
In S2 EPS 4. He really scared that Rudy might go to help Paul where Roxy at. And manipulated him that his ED will be cured if he go to University it's not wrong though. But the different the one who cured him is Slyphy not Roxy. Because if it's Roxy she will do the same.
In turning point 3 S2 Eps 18. He even told him the same advice, told him that he will regret if he go to Paul. Even manipulated him by using Rinia and Pursena to call out his Perv nature. He know really know if Rudy don't go there Roxy will die. So this is a big moment for him.
Wink wink
7:30 To be considered it didn’t completely heal him it just made it that he wasn’t suicidal anymore but he still did feel really bad But it was the goddess who slept with him that would have made anyone feel a bit better 😂 In the Light Novel it was shown way better but it wasn’t that clear because the anime cut a lot of content
What gigguk is feeling now I started to feel much earlier in the season. Bro doesn't get punished and just gets away with shit.
what did he say after seeing the finale episode?
Makes you wonder how they are going to treat Rudius' husband
Because MT was so good in its story, making such decisions as harem route makes you feel like a very good exemplar being spoiled or worsened by a harsh, breaking addition.
Except it's not lol. The anime adaptation didn't do it justice and here we are
Does anyone know where to read the light novel, particularly the part where Ep11 starts of?
Volume 12 around Chapter 10 of the Light Novel, you can find it pretty easily if you want to buy it, or just get the pdf in Jnovels or whatever other site you feel like downloading it from
Psst... Here... Take this....
jnovels
Not sure what the volume is. But it shouldn't take too long to find
Was anyone else also pissed when Rudy made a comment shortly before they saved Zenith where he said that he doesn't actually care that much about her when in the last episode of season 1 part 2, his whole motivation from leaving the tent and moving on was finding his mom like his dad told him to do? Even when Paul died it seemed like they picked that to be the moment when he finally actually sees himself as Paul's son when I feel like their relationship was already that close long before he died.
We need Gigguk to do reaction videos on MT! 😆
You're kind of right. The writing is off a bit. The author changed things around a little from the light novel to try to vindicate Rudeus's character. The consequence of that is that something felt skipped. A lo1t of character thoughts and motives were ignored.
Love the show, binged the last episodes and once again it’s absolute peak!
they cut an unbelievable amount of context out of this season. The fact that anime only's won't understand the nickname "Quagmire" really shocked me. Alongside why King Baddi came to respect Rudy during their duel.
I though episodes 10-12 would be when they would really dive back into Rudy's head to flush out everything that was going on but they really skimmed over a lot.
I highly suggest checking out some cut conent videos for this season as a lot of things that were cut are weren't just nuance, but extremely important for things to come later in the following season.
I also just realized how much content they cut of Rudy/Badigadi. They never explaiend Touki(Fighting Aura) in the anime. Without that information its no wonder a lot of people are confused as to why Rudy never progresses with the sword. For some infromation, Rudy is unable to produce Touki, which is related to his Laplace factor that increases his overall mana capacity. Being unable to create Touki caps his innate potential as a swordsman at the intermidiate level, because Touki is required for the advanced levels. It's also sometihng that just happens and is formed from battles and training, so him not having it by now was proof to Badigadi that he will never have it. They really cut so much stuff looking back at the season. I get why they need to cut content, but man I really feel like there was a lot of things that needed to be put in...the whole Roxy stuff being number 1.
@TheKevin50cal Yea I totally agree. Especially since that conversation about Touki is extremely important as a connection between Rudy and Laplace, as well as what Rudy comes up with in order to compensate for the lack of battle aura. which was inspired by Laplace coming to the same conclusion during the war and what ultimately comes about with Badigadi towards the end of the series.
Also, them not drawing more attention to the Laplace / Rudy connection makes me a little worried about certain reveals about Rudy and the girls later. Obviously I won't go into spoilers, but if you know, you know.
5:59 I think that is not bad writing because you don’t always get punished for bad actions it makes it more realistic and just shows what an MVP Mylphie actually is
Feels odd that people want people punished for every deed. And it's like Paul did it far worse with his history with Lilia and she also seduced him. While Rudy did throw Paul under the bus at the time ultimately Paul got two wife's.😊
Yeah, that's just how life is. Just like how you don't always get rewarded for doing good deeds, you also don't always get punished for doing bad deeds.
I do still think it lacks consequence. That doesn't mean he should be punished, but it felt weird how there was no real push back. Only Norn really and that gets resolved pretty quickly.
Rudeus' father saw more consequences and it still worked out in the end. Here it did feel like everyone is seemingly in on it and ok with it and then there was no real struggle to get to the polygamy.
I have no problem with the polygamy part, but with everything being set up you would expect a more complex way of arriving there. Now it feels more like they couldn't decide who Rudeus should end up with and so they handwave a reason to get with everyone.
Idk about that... just feels like the writing is framed to give Rudy a harem, but there's not much meaningful stakes in the path to get there. That of course things will work out just fine. There's not much tension because the harem is guaranteed.
@@raec5426 Agreed. The harem is okay. The way of getting there feels under developed
Let it cook Garnt. Into next season and beyond.
This is a turning point. But most people seems like forgetting this fact now.
Oh the lesson comes. It comes latter, explosively.
It feels like when you have a creamcake, a blueberry and a strawberry to choose from, and the autor just couldn't choose and decided to break the rule of "choose one please", shoving all three into his mouth.
If I have to choose between my wife dying of starvation while I’m away for a year due to her losing both her parents and a hand and not eating , or her living because someone took her out of that slump….ill take the latter because I have my priorities straight…
To put it simply, if Roxy didn’t do that, Rudeus would be DEAD. Was it right? No, but was it OBJECTIVELY the correct thing to save his life, yes.
also polygamy is ok and rudy loves em both,there is literaly no issue here,the only problem is in rudys head because he told sylphie he wouldnt get another wife when she said it would be fine,also people getting mad at this anime for harem reasons is rly weird,they dont complain about other harem shows,but THIS one that handles it in a mature and realistic way is bad somehow?
Horrible argument
@@damn51 then we can reduce it down to:
Persons life, or their fidelity, what is worth more
@@deenman23 because most harems start that way from the start and we can simply avoid them. Turning this into a harem multiple seasons in is obviously disappointing if we would have never picked it up knowing that's what it would become.
@@ricestrike7937 thats what makes it good,it evolves naturaly and shows you why it is this way,it makes sense,most harem animes are trash,they are there just cuz its a checkmark
Has he watched the last episode and given his thoughts yet? I haven't yet but as a novel reader i know there's some pushback from norn, but acceptance from Sylphy so i'm interested on his thoughts, i always got annoyed by how Sylphy decided to just brush it all under the carpet despite her reservations and grievances with what was happening so i'm really curious on garnt's thoughts
Here’s the thing as to why there are no consequences to Rudy’s actions:
Sylphy is happy with their situation.
Roxy is happy with their situation.
Rudy is happy with the situation.
They all feel genuine, true love and will do everything they can to build a happy and loving family.
Of course there’s no consequences, literally no one with genuine involvement has any negative feelings towards the things that happened once it was all said and done.
And had Roxy not done what she did (that’s all she could come up with, she’s not some god who can come up with the absolute perfect solution) Rudy would’ve died after a little while more.
He did cheat, but he was in deep depression which if you’ve ever felt it, you know it makes you turn your brain off to such a degree that you can barely even think, and Roxy did what she thought would do something to help Rudy. She wanted to save him, regardless of what other stuff might come from it. Roxy was ready to leave the love of her life, Rudy was ready to have Sylphy hate him for life, and Sylphy already was ready for this because she knows who Rudy is and what family he comes from.
They were ready for the consequences. It’s just that Sylphy feels genuine love for Rudy and everything that he as a person is, which lead to her accepting a person who, mind you, was really important for Rudy since he was a child (which Sylphy knew from hearing him talk about his teacher), and not just some random girl he found and fd.
10:30 Its not like he didn’t get any push back not from Mylphie but from his little Sister🤣
We all knew Jobless was a harem, but still hate to see it. Garnt is right on the money. It's not about "Rudeus as a character is a bad man", it's "hold on, why is such an otherwise well-written story getting contrived into a typical harem show?" Rudeus taking a second wife without repercussions is a big example of him having his cake and eating it to. The big take away of Jobless, for me, is that Rudy pays for his mistakes and grows from it. But I guess the author is more concerned with "muh dick" than anything else.
I guess Rudy pre-paid for the harem with Paul's death? But he doesn't even feel bad about Paul's death after chasing tail.
I wouldn’t say it was completely without consequences. He definitely estranged his relationship with his niece at least a little bit.
I mean, it’s culturally acceptable. The fact he didn’t just cheat and get out of there, and instead decided to take responsibility and marry her is a sign of being a good person
Read the light novel and then speak. Rudy was completely destroyed by Paul’s death, even after he returns home and sylphy gives her blessing for the second marriage. He visits the grave of Paul consistently, he grieves that Paul won’t know his grandkids. He doesn’t get over it by chasing tail, he takes that grief with him to his grave
What is even a "typical harem show" explain,just because an mc have several love interest the show becoming typical harem show? All identity from the series just gone like that because of that? That's stupid
It's the mistakes these people make, and how they deal with them that make the show compelling. And these actions do get addressed in the next episode.
Episode 12 is even worse...
i think if rifujin and studio bind saw the comment on ep 23, he will rethink about the changes further on, tbh if they just adapted as is its pretty much done and great!.
The last two ep were rushed. They could have made the last ep the most tear jerking ep ever
they only had so much time and so many episodes calm down
Man he is so spot on. Best take of Gigguk ever.
This is the dude that hated Bleach until it was popular enough to like again.
@@TheMarch-jn3rzI am just talking about this take not every thing he spewed before.
Just wait till turning point 4.
Garnt sounding like a Novel a follower of Millis 😂
I like Garnt, but I do find myself fairly often not agreeing with his takes or ratings on animes.
For instance, him putting "Reincarnated aristocrat" 1 tier above "7th Prince" and 2 tiers above "Chilling in another world" blows my mind...
As for his take on MT Ep11, I'll admit that the anime did butcher the adaptation somewhat here (it wasn't exactly clear how much time had passed since Pauls death, nor was it blatantly obvious that Rudeus was basically committing slow su!cid3), but also, we're not really supposed to learn a moral lesson here, nor is Rudeus supposed to grow as a character from what happened right then and there. In isolation (with the exception of Roxy basically saving Rudeus' life) this event is a "bad" thing: Roxy takes advantage of a mentally ruined Rudeus and Rudeus passively cheats on his wife by not preventing Roxy from sleeping with him.
What can we learn from this going forward?
In the short term? That Roxy necessarily isn't the nice ray of sunshine some might think, and that Rudeus (while he has improved) still isn't beyond cheating on someone he loves, if the proper (bad) conditions are met. Also that the two of them obviously have feeling for eachother.
In the long term? Plenty, but that would be spoilers so...
Agreed. Gigguk thinks Mushoku Tensei is about Rudeus becoming a better person, but thats just not the case.
MT is about Rudeus wanting to live a better life (getting a second chance). There's a subtle difference. The characters aren't shackled by some imaginary law saying "you need to be punished for your actions". No, it was never about that.
Chilling in another world and 7th Pribce is good junkfood at best. Reincarnated aristocrat is actually good.
@@salierihiyajo6596don't enjoy as much even thou finish it 7th prince animation like did not expect that
He said it's the lack of repercussions that's missing here. In the novels, Rudeus knew he fucked up by taking that one moment of solace from Roxy in that down period. He didn't even think about marrying her until being manipulated by Elinalise. There's crucial layers of characterization missing in the anime, in fact it's an all along different impression, a decision made to make the scene more palatable for the general audience and it just didn't sit right for many.
Grant: "there were no consequences"
Rudy: " so my arm and my dad are not consequences, i see"
They weren't exactly consequences of his actions, they were tragedies that happened beforehand. A consequence would be Sylphie dumping him or at the very least some kind of worsening their relationship and him having to earn that trust back. But nothing, Sylphie just takes it in stride
@@MinosML roxy and rudy NEED to get together, otherwise the worlds goes to shit. don't trust mangod
@@alexisnekko I get the point, I get the prophecy of their children, and I also personally want them to be together. I just didn't want the harem to be formed like this. It's icky af.
When turning point 4 happens rudeus knows he needs to look the hell in
This is the best outcome. ALL best girls win. A harem where nobody has to lose. Eating good.
One:
To address Grant issue with episode 11: the problem can be summarized as having not enough episodes to flesh out the story properly, as it was done in the light novel.
Two:
People are so up in arms about Rudy being unfaithful. The thing is, while most say they themselves would never be unfaithful in Rudy's position, they are just saying it without really thinking about the situation, the trauma, and other factors. Additionally, people think that marriage and a good relationship mean never having any sexual relations with others. While that is preferable, it should never be a dealbreaker if it occurs, as long as it happens for a good reason and there is clear communication and openness between both parties about any missteps. We are only human, and sometimes we find ourselves in moments of weakness. At the end of the day, sex is just sex.
Three:
People think having more than one wife is somehow a complete taboo. Why? If all parties are okay with it, then it's fine. Marriage is meant to show that you truly love a person, but you can love more than one person, just like you can have more than one best friend. At the end of the day, marriage is simply a moral concept that society collectively decided upon, which people follow because everyone else thinks the same way. In the world of Mushoku Tensei, these marital morals don't exist. It’s only considered so wrong because it’s what is expected, not because it is necessarily wrong if handled correctly.
Saying that a character somehow NEEDS to be "punished" for actions that the viewer deems reprehensible no matter how small it's honestly one of the weakest and nothingburger complaint when criticizing narrative because not only it artificially and arbitrarily limits what characters can and can't do, it almost NEVER does something significant in the long run and worse of all, no matter the punishment it's almost NEVER enough for certain people and will always say stuff like "it was not a punishment" or "they got it easy". Life is not black or white, not every bad deed will get punish just as not every good deed will get rewarded.
Rudeous litteraly lost his hand, father, his mother is now a vegetable and was getting haunted by his regrets and the ghost of his past to the point of almost wasting away but sure. He manage to get a polygamy relationship going on so he needs to be crushed to dead by a meteorite, sure.
Exactly
If you go back and look over the story again, you'd see that Roxy was potentially going to be his first, and possibly only, wife, but a certain someone's interactions with Rudeus led to that not happening.
Gigguk finally realized what type of show was this.
go eat pagpag peenoise
I’m going to say s3 is going to be where his mistakes from the last two seasons start to creep up on him and he’ll need to make decisions which will require him to be better as a person than as he was so far.
A casually glossed over that he had been locked in his room for 2 weeks and hadn't been eating. Also the harem route is kind of obvious when in the first intro you see the red, blue, and green bird all become one.
There are a lot of insight into the characters and reasoning for what they did in the light novel that the Anime straight up skipped over, like how Roxy did it partly to save Rudeus because she knew he couldn't recover from [spoiler] on his own. I feel like including those moments would've gone a long way in, not justifying their action, but explain the nuance and reason for it, which at the end of the day makes these characters more human.
I want an updated video on ep 12. I agree with a lot of what Garnt said this video. The fact that Rudy never even said that he was married to Roxy meant that he was clearly hiding it.
i always love how people excuse the writing and rudeus because he is so depressed and polygami is fine in this world and he kinda got an okay from his wife so everything is fine! those must be people who never were in a loving, trusting relationship! let me tell you something: my father died in front of my eyes! i felt for rudy so much in this season i cried for him because he reminded me of myself but i would have never ever cheated on my GF just because i was sad and believe me this was the lowest point of my life ever! actually, you really think some sex and romance would cure your state of heart? maybe for 30 minutes and then you go back to beeing depressed!you know who can actually get you out of the depression over time! your loving partner that is there for you! your family that supports you and yourself! If i would’ve betrayed them just to get some happytime and feel better for a lil bit i would 100% feel more awful afterwards because not only did i loose my father and are depressed but now i also have a new guilt i have to deal with! especially after i told my pregnant wife i will be faithful to her! i would probably never gotten out of that deep hole ever again! this harem route is BS anyway! the author should have just picked one girl or put relationshipdrama in there where rudy goes from one broken relationship to another because that is how real relationships work! believe me even if your pregnant wife tells you it is okay to get another woman….she will hope you don‘t end up with another or even two haha…man this makes me really mad, sorry!
You put your catholic believe on a world where this is fringe.
Stop being like that, you intolerant peasant!
I agree with you 100% it's so weird seeing people say that he wasn't cheating. Just because he had a father who was a cheater doesn't mean that he gets to have a pass to cheat especially to his pregnant wife as well. It was honestly satisfying to see Norn give them a reality check though it was disappointing how people tend to misunderstand her. Maybe she was a little "bratty" as people are saying but she had a point. It's insane how Rudeus didn't even mention he had a wife beforehand and how Roxy just went to "comfort" him knowing damn well he has a pregnant wife waiting for him worried. And for those saying It wouldn't be cheating if Sylphy accepted it, they literally did all that without asking Sylphy for permission and that is considered cheating. Just because she approved of it doesn't make it right. I also hated Elinalise and Geese for pushing this to happen. Can't believe people call this show peak.
you seem to think that just because you dont understand polygamy that NO ONE ELSE DOES! its perfectly normal to love more than one person,if you have 2 kids,do you only love ONE?
"the actors were rewarded for doing bad things" so everyone in mushoku tensei is like a rich person irl? got it lol
Episode 11 skipped his depression arc it was supposed to last longer and roxy wanted to help him after weeks to a month because she knew he was emotionally weak from when he was scared to go outside
i hope he is happy with the last ep
Mushoku Tensei is a masterpiece
when your talking about there being no real punishment for the actions rudy takes that is completely wrong. in the novel he is struck with so much guilt that he ends up increadibly conflicted. It was between chosing sylphie or roxy and the only reason he got the final push to marry the both of them is because in the novel elenalise lies to rudy and tells him that roxy is pregnant to guilt trip him. Not just this but much later in the story even more punishment comes from him having a harrem. Much much much more
The anime didn't do well to protray this stuff. Also the Rudy/Roxy "romance" feels very lacking from what little time it got.
@@raec5426 that is because the rudy/roxy reomance does not exsist yet. Rudy does not want to go far with her or feel lovey dovey with her at this point in time because he knows full well he is in the wrong. Thats exactly why he assumes sylphie wouldnt agree to it. So of course it is "lacking".
@@emblemofemotions7168 I mean he already went far with her. lol
IMO the last episode clutched up.
Well people will definitely love the next arc lmao
I just rewatched episode 22 of first season and I'm so done with people victim blaming Rudeus. He literally refused Eris's advances initially in order to not take advantage of her and then she proceeds to seduce him and ditch him leaving him with severe depression. Now Roxy actually takes advantage of him while fully aware of what she is doing and now Its Rudeus's fault. This man has been sexually abused this entire series and hate to be that guy, but you swap his gender and there is no debate to who is at fault
Honestly, everything Garnt talks about is why I feel like this is the point where some of what I think the author preferences and feelings began to outshine the story he was telling. I won't spoil, but having read the entire story (Though I will freely admit I barely remember much of the later third of the series) it just felt like the series gave up on the pretense of growing, and instead just had characters shrug and go "meh, its all good" and everyone just sort of... accepts the faults without issue. Hell, some of the inner monologue Rudy has about his sisters is hella creepy and just.. yeah idk.
I should probably reread the last third to refresh the details, but I remember being so annoyed that I felt like I was just reading the author self inserting at times of what sort of life they wanted that it took me out of the story.
what are the names of all the S tear anime
I’m surprised most of y’all didn’t see this coming I had a feeling this would happen
Anime fans just don't seem to understand that taking advantage of someone when they're at one of the lowest points of their life IS BAD
I know some of them really upset for Episode 11, but I think for me it's not really that bad.
Cuz everyone though that "Oh yeah, Rudeus is basically faithful for his wife" "He's going to be great father". But remember, Rudeus lose his father, and his mental state was destroy by it and also in the state of like "You know what, do whatever you want".
And Roxy take advantage of it? Absolutely not, because she knew that he's on the state of that, she just want to cheer him up, and then Elinalise comes in, and tell Roxy that "Hey, if you want to cheer him up, just do what he like the most" and that scene happened.
So that means Elinalise at the fault here? Yes and also No, cuz he doesn't know anything at all about Rudeus, except the fact that he's a pervert, who's also a smart mage. And she thought that the only thing that can cheer him up, it's just having sex, even tho she realize that Rudeus had a Sylphy, which is basically her granddaughter.
So in conclusion, is basically just a sequence of events when every single characters in this anime didn't know anything about each other, including themselves, and they know their flaw, and they learn their mistakes
To be fair in the novel, rudy really tried hard not to cheat on silphy and was absolutely crushed the day after and was ready to just do whatever silphy asked of him even if that was to be left alone
The problem is that they should have show the scene when the party talked about the Rudeuses condition before Roxy did the thing.
Saying mushoku tensei is peak isekai is disingenuous solely for the fact that re zero exists. No other isekai can even catch up. The sole amount of side stories takes the world building and characters depth to a whole another level. Light novel readers know how insanely goated arc 6 is, but now(it just came out) also how insanely goated the ending for arc 8 is. Rip best girl. Nothing even comes close. You NEED to read it from the start to experience peak
Agreed. I'm not exaggerating when I say that I was literally depressed and crying at the "Who is Rem?", that alone made me drop the series, then after a few months I picked up the series again and finished season 2. Needless to say, only few animes like Death Note, One Punch Man and Kaguya-sama made me cry along with Re Zero and I'm just even more excited when you say that it's just going to get better :)
Well all of what you said is correct but doesnt diminish how good of an isekai mushoku is and the fact that it is peak too, it is not wrong to say it just because another better isekai exists, especially if you consider how much shit there is in the isekai category
@@GIN-zh7joIt is really not anextremely high bar overall in manga or anime to be better than most isekais or to be at MT's level tbh. So I'd say its more of a "hill" at best than a peak.
@@antagonisticalex401 well idk if ur referring to the whole story or just what has been animate until now, the complete story imo can be considered peak without a doubt: it has a great development of many characters even those who are not part of the main cast, a plot easy to follow but with many twists and turns, the world building is done very well both on the actual political side and the historical one, and the few fights are great too especially the final. A story written this well is not something you can find easily even in the novel ambient. Obviously im counting the complete novel and redundancy chapters into this, if we consider only what we have seen so far in the anime i dont think it is even a "hill".
@@GIN-zh7jo I just have higher standards I guess. Since by "peak" I mean Monster. I mean 20th Century Boys. I mean
Trail of Blood
Homunculus
Goodnight Punpun
Berserk
Made in Abyss
Holyland
The Climber
Usogui
Kingdom
Slam Dunk
Dorohedoro
Blame!
Gantz
Akira
Land of the Lustrous
Innocent
THIS is the level of fictional mastery I speak of when it comes to calling something peak. A lot of other series are close to this level. Rezero, Gachiakuta, Sakamoto Days, (Freiren is not there but its fine), SpyxFamily, Undead Unluck, Shibatarian, Centuria, Dandadan, Witch Hat Atelier etc.
And thats just manga alone. I have read a lot yknow?
See? So many series better than the entirety of MT in my personal opinion. Infact, both of those groups can be called peak in my eyes, but MT wasnt on my list there. But hey. Its probably just my personal preference.
I mean I used to hate harems, but Mushoku is the only organic one I know, the other ones tastes like f*cking plastic while Mushoku like a 5 star meal.
Also Sylphy and Roxy have still self respect unlike some other anime women (If y' know what I mean y' know what I mean).
Anyways see y'all for season 3
bro gigguk is talking about consequences. he doesnt mind harems. he wants to see immediate consequences but the anime doesnt show it
@@TrickyJebus I'll take the L I didn't watched the video I admit it.
you caught me bro
Sylphie accepting another wife feels no different from the likes of kanojo mo kanojo.
@@Master_3530 it's different, she knew what she was getting when marrying rudy, she still has self respect, something that would be... important
It’s probably because it knows it’s stopping at a point; most harem anime seem to be overindulgent with that.
If only he knew more about the context from the light novel it would have made stomaching the blow more bearable
i wonder if he knows the change from the light novel, that would be even more controversial
i'm glad that there are people out there that can express how i feel about something 100x better than i ever could 👍
I feel like Garnt underestimates just how okay Japanese people are with "cheating" culture that in comparison to western values. I also feel like the reason Garnt is on this so much now is because he is also a married man now. Either way I didnt care, Its a different world, with different values. Judging people in a different world with our values doesn't make any sense to me personally. Just like people harping on all the in*est and who*ing in Game of thrones.
Yeah my thought exactly
I never like anime influencers so I was so happy when they announced season 3 so I could ignore people like him. Didn't even watch the video but I did watch a clip where he somehow was surprised that Rudeus, who said he loved Roxy in episode 2, said he wanted to marry her in that same episode, carried her panties around for ten years, somehow fell in love with her and cheated on Sylphy when he was depressed and she offered to save him a second time in his life. You would have to be a complete media illiterate to still not know that Rudeus falls in love with those who save him during low points in his life. Plus, even given the complete consistency of Rudeus's actions with his character, this is a complaint from someone who says he likes "trashy isekai." There's not an original thought in his mind. It's always business first.
Bro what are you talking about? MT ep 11 is horribly done in anime and this is a fact.
@@kizufan8726 you wish so hard that you were Rudy it's almost sad. How is him being obsessed with a person a justifiable reason to cheat with that person? Are you this much of a narcissist yourself?
Rudy falling in love with whoever saves him is piss poor writing for you idiots that just want wish fulfillment. He's at this point mentally 40+ years old. This shit is pathetic.
I see the thumbnail, sigh, click on the video
first thing i see is Garnt doing the exact same sigh lmao
Sylphie did NOT, give him the ok at the start. Sylphie gave him permission to use a concubine to have a kid
5:50 oh just you wait, garnt. just you wait.