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Despite the fact that you talk like someone announcing a monster truck rally, your content is among the best on UA-cam. You are in the same league as LTT, GamersNexus, JayZ, etc. Keep it up you deserve way more subscribers.
I have built my own PC for first time and already setting up for BIOS and Windows. thank you for the videos for these past few months and here I am, still watching your videos.
Yeah, same here, build my PC 3 Days ago for my Birthday and it gets delivered next week. Ryzen 5 7600X ASUS TUF-Gaming B650-PLUS WIFI RX 7800XT Might have "some" bottleneck on the CPU but upgradepath should be solid
@@Loca1ID it has? Jason said that 7800XT or RTX 4070S are the max recommended GPU for 7600X tho... and I believe that's the case when check out 7600X in other channels... yours is fine... congrats to us hehe
@@Venlorz My bad, should have stated that my view was influenced by "pc-builds bottleneck calculator" primarly under the General and CPU-heavy tasks. GPU heavy-tasks actually show 0.00% bottleneck. So you are right, Gaming is fine, but I gotta test how my Browser with "a few" tabs run alongside some games.
We shouldn't be comparing the 9700X with the 7700X despite the referential name. They might have the same amount of cores and threads, but their TDP is way different (9700X is 65W and 7700X is 105W). Instead we should be comparing the 9700X to the 7700 which has the same TDP, and also a $30 uplift in MSRP. A peformance and effienciency increasy of 7%, but who cares about efficiency at this power level? Most gamers only care about FPS for the buck, and when you go from $329 to $359 in MSRP and realize you lose the stock cooler, the game is kinda over. Name scheming means nothing nowadays. (I got this from youtuber Daniel Owen)
@@nikolailukanov8169 Yes, but only in gaming. My point is that the naming schemes have nothing to say between 7000 and 9000, and given the Intel situation it is important to be aware of AMD’s own lineup and specs on those gens, someone might be tricked to think the 9700X and 7700X are the same because of the similar names.
I think what really hammers it home that the 9700X and 9600X parts are fundamentally non-X parts is that the base clock is about the same as the 7000 series non-X parts. Next year we will see XT versions with 105W TDP that will be the true X versions
AMD missed a real opportunity to lure more customers away from Intel. If they're just going to lower prices eventually shortly after launch, why not price them lower to begin with.
Zen 5 doesn't actually have a big efficiency uplift. The 7000 CPUs were 65W, the 7000X CPUs were 105W, and the 9000X CPUs are 65W. They are intentionally misleading consumers to compare the 7600X to the 9600X and the 7700X to the 9700X so it looks like there is a big efficiency gain. In reality, the 7000X CPUs were much more power hungry than their non-X counterparts, while offering only 2% more performance. If we compare 9000X CPUs to 7000 non-X CPUs, the huge efficiency gain vanishes. AMD purposefully chose to make it look like a 5% performance gain and a 40% efficiency gain, rather than a 7% performance gain and 7% efficiency gain. They knew zen 5 was going to be disappointing and unfortunately successfully misled many reviewers.
I built a semi mobile ITX build for VR in February based on an 7600X and RTX 4070 in the Terra ITX case and barely touched my almost 4 year old main PC (5800X and RTX 3080) since. The little ITX thing on my living room table is just so convient. Thank you for your amazing videos, giving great overviews on performance and value, helping us choosing the best components. You are the best tech UA-camr, sharing No1 with Steve Burke! No fuss, just plain information and great enthusiasm. Please never change that.
You can simply up the power on 9700x to give each core more than 11W per core. Effectively they shipped with Eco mode enabled, which given the number of people who lost their chit over 95C and 120W & 170W TDP is understandable. But you cannot cut so much power and not have it cut performance, derB8uer's figures showed good gains. We need to see if there's more than the memory configuration issue with PBO enabled that pursuaded them defaulting to Eco mode would go down well on benchmark obsessed reviewers.
Great video, I think AMD really shot themselves in the foot with limiting the 9700x to only a 65w tdp. That's what the non X counterparts are for. Needless to say I will be waiting for the 9800x3d. Anyway, I hope everyone has a wonderful weekend, please be safe and God Bless
I was basing my entire spending plan off AMD having a killer launch and bringing down previous gen prices, this really screws things up. Hopefully something happens over the next four months to bring those prices back down.
I bet we are going to see lot of bios updates new AGESA versions to improve these CPUs. I can see that they will most likely keep getting faster as time goes on with better GPUs for higher scaling.
There is something wrong with the software in Windows. The disparity between Linux performance and Windows performance is too great. Check out Phoronix's review.
I'm very happy with my 7600x I got for 171. Was gonna go with 7600 , but seen that sale that one day and just grabbed it up and everything followed behind that. Got pretty much 50 bucks or so off of each main component except ram case and cooler
I'm currently building a 7600x pc. I got 7600xt, 5600mhz 32gb ram 46cl(bad), and a b650m from gigabyte. The cooler I bought doesn't fit in the case so I'm going to buy a smaller one and install everything when it comes
Currently happy with my 5600 and 6700XT at 1440p 144Hz system. After this 9000 series release by AMD I don't see any compelling reason to move to AM5 while the 5700X3D is available as an upgrade path.
I just got my 9700X build going last night. It works good for Stable Diffusion, general internet browsing/videos and moderate gaming. 7800X3D is still faster in gaming and other processors are a better value in price to performance, but Zen 5 is not bad at all. I'm happy with it, overall. Thumbs up for helping me to pick great parts for a smooth, cool build!
for the efficiency part, the new 9000x series are just regular non x series renamed to x, because they want you to compare non x series efficiency to x series efficiency
i just finished my first build yesterday, glad i didnt wait and went for 7800x3d for my 4080 super. Just need a better monitor and im ready for 1440p gaming
France update (from Amazon) 7600X ±215,87€ 9600X 352,04€ 780X3D 411,50€ 9700X 445,75€ Note that the 7600X and 7800X3D have never been this low in France (except the 7800X3D during the Prime Day)
I have been thinking on buying the board and ram so long due to possible stock issues then wait for the 9800X3D. After seeing my local pricing for the 9600x and 9700x I estimate it may not be worth waiting for the 9800X3D. Everyone waiting for the X3D variant and AMD knows it. Guess I will be holding back until the dust settles or get the 7800X3D only with a price cut. The X3D will be the cash cow for sure...
I continue to appreciate your analysis of pc component releases, and your comparisons using common sense and very clear insights into the nitty-gritty matchups. Super useful for this long time pc builder who doesn't have the time for my own deep research.
I've just finished building my first PC with your help, thanks for all your videos, always incredible useful! And after watching this I'm glad that I didn't wait and went with the ryzen 7600 (with the radeon 7900 gre). Thanks!!
Good video, cant say i disagree on the pricing for the least CPUs on AMD. As a Example. I bought the AMD Ryzen 5 7600X 6 For $274.55 original price $388.55 "Open Box" At Canada Computers in Canada. For some strange reason Canada Computers has another version of the CPU with a similar price. Likely not "Open Box" Original pricing. $409.00 On Sale $289.00. Almost 300 dollars which for the Ryzen 5 i did like the pricing drop otherwise its very likely i wouldn't had bought it. AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D 8-Core/16-Thread costs around $528.98. For me the Ryzen 7 costs a bit more then the Ryzen 5 7600X I wish the 7800X3D was cheaper lol
Ryzen reminds me of intel's 4-core 14nm++++++ run. Single digit to no improvement year over year. Really disappointing that CPU's are once again boring. Lets hope we get some better GPU's.
The 7800x3d was priced at $309 on Amazon 2 separate times Monday and Tuesday. I ordered it both times but the order was cancelled by seller both times shortly after purchase. I finally got it for $366.
The 9700X is more expesive then the 7800X3D in my region and its slower. It is more efficient and runs cooler out of the box but i think its not worth it. Im going to wait for the X3D variants and the new motherboards. Maybe there will be a bigger difference in performance in the future.
@@PCBuilderChannel Yeah i have 2 Intel systems a 12th gen and 13th gen. I was going to uppgrade the 12th gen to Ryzen 9000 and change to DDR5 since that system is still using DDR4. I hope the X3D variants will be a lot faster in games but we shall see. 🙂
As someone who use Intel cpu for the longest time, and recently try to build my first PC, I can't tell you enough how helpful this is. I was planning to go with i7-13700+RTX 4070 combo. But after watching this video, I decided to swap them with r7 7600x+RX7800XT, and a MSI B650 Tomahawk Wifi board. Thank you for your this great guide, looking forward to your future video!
Thank you so much for supporting the channel! So glad we could help! The 7600X/ 7800XT is a great choice! Best wishes on your build and let us know how it goes
You are in good hands, this guy legit gives some of the best pc hardware recommendation i've ever seen. And I watch a lot of youtube pc hardware channels
The temps will bounce around a lot when you're doing things but if you think the cooling is not properly working check your setup, mounting pressure, airflow, fan curve etc.
In my eyes, the Ryzen 5 9600X with its 65W TDP and $280 MSRP, replaces the Ryzen 5 7600 which had a much lower MSRP of $229, i.e. a $51 price hike, which is unacceptable. Same goes for the Ryzen 7 9700X.
My R7 5700x3d 200$ and RX 7900xt 650$ was the best upgrade after my 7 year platform R7 1700 and GTX 1080ti. AM4 X470 was a god send. Gave the cpu and gpu to my brother he got a b450 and 750 watt PSU hell peobably get a 5700x3d this xmas since he loves Cyberpunk, God of War, and Hogwarts at 1440p.
Still on the bench about the Ryzen 9000 series and as seen with most reviewers they expected more from AMD, from total victory against to just going for "We're not Intel". Going to have to try to RMA my 13900K.
I'm kinda hoping Nvidia's RTX 5000 GPU's aren't going to be delayed by too much.. Seeing the leaks/rumors of RTX launch being pushed back to Q2 2025. That would certainly put a hamper in doing an all next gen build this year.. If worse comes to worse I'll get a current Gen GPU as I dont want to wait that long. I already delayed my build plans for earlier this year in spring because next gen stuff was only a couple seasons away, or so I thought. Then summer arrives and the entire tech industry just implodes with RMA scandals, lawsuits/antitrust, delays, ect... Maybe if Battlemage comes in early, and at a low price I can just get that as an intermediary.(I've always wanted to tinker with Arc) Probably won't be the greatest for a 4k TV, but I still want to wait for that 5090 or maybe a Titan... Either way I don't want to end up with a half build pc missing a GPU here in Oct/Nov and then have to wait an additional 4-6 months for the damn GPU. If that indeed ends up being the case. This whole launch cycle is all outta sync. Hopefully Battlemage launches before CES, could hopefully improve GPU pricing going into the Holiday season. Certainly looking like RDNA 4 and RTX 5000 will most likely debut at CES unfortunately. Patience is a virtue, patience is a virtue, patience is a virtue.... dag nabit! 😬
@@MrAnimescrazy I'm still gonna wait for at least Intel 15th Gen before I build. I've still got my laptop to carry me till then. As for a GPU, I'll make that decision when I get there. If Battlemage launches at/near the same time I may try it out for a bit, depends on the reviews. If it has comparative performance to the RTX 4070 Super, AMD 7800 XT or XTX I may run with it. All kinda in the air atm. Just gotta wait at least until Arrow lake launches, then figure it out from there. I've been a PC enthusiast since 1999 due to my dad lol. Not my first rodeo with wonky release cycles. 30 year old something dude gonna be giggling like a toddler with fresh silicon to unbox lol.
Really hope that the x3d models are a +15% more faster than the 7800x3d and cheaper. Already have my motherboard and case ready; Just waiting for the rtx 5k series to drop and waiting for black friday/cyber monday
my thoughts exactly. if they would of stuck to the original leaked prices, $400 for the 9900x than the prices would be more reasonable. but jacking up another $50-$60 for the chips because they KNOW intel is in hot water is a asshole move. you seriously think the 2 week delay was because of a typo. nope. it was pricing adjustments.
I love how you put logic behind your claims. You use numbers to back up what you say while other content creators use emotions or they dont provide their reasoning.
Thank the gods I recently picked up a 12600KF instead of a 13th or 14th gen! This Intel business really sucks, 13th gen has been out for a while now hasn't it??? Why are we just seeing these problems now?
Why is it that the biggest problem for AMD launches is AMDs prior generation? We saw this with the 7000 series launch being first on AM5, we saw this with the 7000 series GPUs, and now this. I have a few requests out to build pcs right now, and unless we see some great value in the upper 9000 series chips, im building with 7000 cpus and putting more money into other components. My personal builds will be waiting for the x3d builds as there isnt a point to me downgrading to a non x3d 9000 cpu.
Me when I built my pc with 7800x3d for 329 20$ off when you buy and SSD and motherboard bundled together at microcenter. I dont plan on upgrading for another 4 to 5 years.
@MrAnimescrazy currently a Sapphire 7900xtx Nitro +, 7800x3d, MSI 670e tomahawk, 32gb ddr5 temgroup rgb 6000mhz cl 30, 2tb nvme sk hynix, 6tb toshiba HDD, Deepcool PQ1000M, lian li galahad II trinity and a standard EVO fan setup. Spent all together about 2100, not including the monitor.
I've been collecting parts for the new pc for past few months. In july there was a deal on 7800x3d, only 1350pln. But I thought it was still too high, and I wanted to get aio and mobo first. Of course, shortly after the deal ended, this entire shitstorm with Intel started and ryzen 9000 was delayed... Now the lowest price for 7800x3d is over 1600pln, with no deals in sight. It's a disaster for me, I literally have all other parts but cpu. And I don't know what to do, keep waiting for at least 1400pln price, bite the bullet and just pay almost 1700pln, consider going for 9700X?
@@MrAnimescrazy that is still my plan, but prices are stupidly high. I'm honestly considering just getting the cheapest am5 cpu, which are massively discounted now, and waiting for 9000x3d. It would be an improvement over my current cpu anyway
Love your enthusiasm AND quantitative approach. You seem like you genuinely want to help people, which is really cool. Erm...really? The 7900X3D only 4 points lower in gaming than the mighty 7800X3D? Seems off to me. I didn't think I'd still be considering 7000s. BUT, we will see next week. I WANT TO BELIEVE! I soo agree that efficiency is sorta stupid as a primary desktop CPU attribute (below 253 W). Just turn off the lava lamp or something while gaming. haha Seems like there is a lot of OC headroom on the 9700 tho. I mean, why introduce Curve Shaper for this series??? AMD might have sandbagged (like with PBO on the 7900 non-x) to steer peeps towards the pricier stuff. Do you really think Der Bauer would compare a non-PBO CPU to a PBO'd CPU? Thermal Grizzly is all about being hardcore OC smart. He said he had more work to do tho. Thanks for all you do! =) Hi to the cats
i was debating on waiting for ryzen 9000 but seeing as theres hardly any improvement at all im pretty happy with my 7800x3d, ill upgrade when we can have something more significant than zen5%, heck in some cases the 9000 version performs worse than it s 7000 counterpart its basically a repeat of what happened on their radeon division with the 7000 gpus
I think it's possible looking at the past when you look at 300/400 series boards to 500 series but that had more to do with AMD sourcing the chipsets in house finally. I think it could help get better memory timings but on 9600X and 9700X I doubt many people will spend money on kits capable of increasing performance. Maybe tightly timed 6400 CL32 though... I'm interested in seeing how it turns out.
Great video thanks. I am in the market for a new computer to handle all my trading activities, while also gaming with my kids. I am ruling out intel for now and was hoping this chip would do the trick, but maybe not. What do you recommend for running multiple demanding applications and gaming?
@@MrAnimescrazy Whatever it takes to get the job done well. It will be a business expense, but I don't want to overspend for the sake of spending. I don't want to be wasteful. I was looking at a falcon nw, at 4K+ but it seems I could get a NZXT for 1000 to 1500 less. I will be running apps like interactive brokers, think or swim, and lots of browser web apps. Then playing fortnite at night. Leaning towards AMD right now.
@brandond2868 you can get the 7950x3d and the 7900xtx or the 7950x3d and the 4090. Do you need help with a parts list or do you have all of the parts picked?
It depends on your budget/build needs but it sounds like a 7800X3D build would be great for you. Don't go 7950X3D or 7900X3D because they have performance issues compared to a 7800X3D. See our Best GPU/CPU Combo 2024 video, I think that will help you decide what you need
Of course the prices will drop after the initial release is over. The current prices are to take advantage of those early adopters who have to have the newest thing right away. I'll bet they will lower the prices of the 9000s by Black Friday.
With ryzen 9000 not being very good I don't know what to do coming from an old platform that I would be looking to pair with a $$300-$600 GPU at 1440p (with a micro center available). I was hoping I would just be able to get a 9700x micro center bundle for like $400 and have it nearly match the performance of a 7800x3d but that won't be the case
Under $500 is rough with new parts, you'll likely need to go used which other channels cover. But we have our Best Budget Gaming Builds 2024 video with a $550 sample build with all new parts
Your camera has amazing quality. What are you using? Overall, I think the 9000 series is being compared to the wrong 7000 counterpart given the voltage. I say compare the same voltage part between the two families (9700X with 7700 non X). Hope to see something better, but ill continue using 5800X3D for now.
I agree with you 💯% that performance increases are WAY more important than efficiency ratings. The 9xxx chips are a major disappointment. It's like buying a new car just to get that extra 2-3 miles per gallon. It would take decades before you'd recoup the cost vs. energy savings. I'm not a conspiratorial type (well, actually I am! LOL), but it almost seems like AMD is paid opposition to release such lame CPU series in comparison to it's Intel brethren. Think I'll stay with my 5800x for the time being. Cheers Jason!
@@MrAnimescrazy I did, I have 3 of each. About ready to get a 4th 7600X in a $500 custom PC that the parts right now equal $931 on Amazon. All new parts except a placeholder RX570. Going to pull that CPU and complete another B650 Aorus Elite home build. Save the board/ram for a rainy day when I come across a dirt cheap 7500F/7600. Put my shop PC's guts 5700x/B550/32gb/6600XT in it and sell it back off for $500.
If they put up 9600 and 9700 (without X) and they use even less power, it will be a real comeback. The X3D for now will only be able to save the series, not elevate them after what happended with the X.
I have to admit this is very disappointing from AMD. You would think they would know by now how they should price their products, but unfortunately this has happened for the past 5 years.
I'm sticking with my 5800x and 5600x in our computers and the 12600k I have in the HTPC. I won't be upgrading to AM5 for a while but feel good I will be able to get a reasonably priced second hand CPU. So I will probably not upgrade for 3-5 years. I may upgrade the 5600x to a 5800x3D before a platform upgrade.
I just want to say that i love these vids as well as your boost your build ones. They help a lot when it comes to trying to choose between all of the pc options for most people.
Based on your own parameters of >= 160, the 9700x should have showed up on the high performance at 160 points? I'm guessing it is a rounding thing and barely missed out? Still the 7800X3D is the obvious better buy, but just saying, It maybe should have made it to the high performance section?
My son's 13600k is running fine for now, but we're keeping an eye on it. My 12600k is running like a champ. Plan b if we have issues is to switch to amd.
The actual difference between the reviews seems to be the system configuration, not PBO If you use the officially supported DDR5 5200/5600 as your base, the 9000 series looks a lot better than the 7000 series It also looks a lot better than Intel 14th gen for gaming when all the systems use supported memory.. Using DDR5 5600 is representative of how Dell would configure a system, but not how someone watching gaming tech channels would configure a system. Of course, anyone who watches the tech news knew that the current 9000 series CPUs would be uninteresting for high end gaming back in June when AMD admitted that the 7800x3d was faster.
I just found an i7 8700 with an Asus MOBO and 16GB of ram all for $100. I’d like to build a pc using all this. What NVIDIA GPU should I get? The seller had an RYX 2080 Super with it. Should I go for something similar?
Really good information in this episode! I have a 7600 with a 7900 GRE and I'm getting great price to performance. I'll probably consider another AM5 CPU in 2025/2026, but more for productivity than gaming, since I'm not CPU bottlenecked right now. Even then the 7600 works really good for my current productivity needs (my previous PC was AM4 5700x/RX 6600). I agree on waiting for 9000 series for now unless someone needs whatever productivity performance the 9900x or 9950x might have when they launch on 8/15 (but still a wait - if a short one - until the reviews come in).
Hello quick question. I build a new PC, my plan is 5700X3D, 7800XT. Is the combo future proof? If not i would need to go AM5, which in my budget(and the prices in my country) would leave me with a R 5 7600x and a 7700XT. I think even tough it's AM4 my first choice is stronger for gaming, though? Thank you in advance.
Its not "future proof" because that is the end of the line in terms of CPU upgrades possible. But you could upgrade the GPU in the future. But my two cents is the best "future proofing" is to build the strongest pc you can right now with the budget you have. So if staying in AM4 gets you a stronger GPU that's a solid option
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What are your thoughts on Ryzen 9000? Are you building or upgrading? What games are you playing? Tell your story in a new comment below!
Dumb question but can anyone else vouch for this Windows key sponsor? I need a Win 10 Pro 64 bit key but this reeks of "too good to be true".
@@Hybris51129 I have been using the codes for several builds with no issues.
Basically they sell off excess OEM keys which is why they are so cheap, and also Microsoft is a greedy company.
@@Hybris51129 Anything 20 buck or more base price on a reputable site like urcdkeys are fine. Only issue I've had was with eBay codes back in the day.
HODL thus far. Maybe X3D and new mbs next month will make a difference or R9s.
Despite the fact that you talk like someone announcing a monster truck rally, your content is among the best on UA-cam. You are in the same league as LTT, GamersNexus, JayZ, etc. Keep it up you deserve way more subscribers.
haha thank you! Appreciate it (:
same league as LTT? LTT is garbage. This man's work is honest and puts the consumer 1st. Can't say the same for LTT.
Better than LTT in terms of usefulness tbh...
In terms of use to the most people this guy is committed as hell. Imo he is THE most useful pc youtuber if you are looking to build a pc
@@ZxanonbladeLTT is so overrated and despite all the controversies over the years he still somehow has a massive following 😭
I have built my own PC for first time and already setting up for BIOS and Windows. thank you for the videos for these past few months and here I am, still watching your videos.
Congrats on your build!! So glad we could help. Show off a build pic if you like on twitter/threads @pcbuilderjason
That's cool, have fun.
Yeah, same here, build my PC 3 Days ago for my Birthday and it gets delivered next week.
Ryzen 5 7600X
ASUS TUF-Gaming B650-PLUS WIFI
RX 7800XT
Might have "some" bottleneck on the CPU but upgradepath should be solid
@@Loca1ID it has? Jason said that 7800XT or RTX 4070S are the max recommended GPU for 7600X tho... and I believe that's the case when check out 7600X in other channels... yours is fine... congrats to us hehe
@@Venlorz My bad, should have stated that my view was influenced by "pc-builds bottleneck calculator" primarly under the General and CPU-heavy tasks. GPU heavy-tasks actually show 0.00% bottleneck. So you are right, Gaming is fine, but I gotta test how my Browser with "a few" tabs run alongside some games.
Can't wait for the X3D variants!
Yes hoping they will be a much better launch
LoL its going to be trash as well😂😂😂
@@JahonCrossdid you build the cpu already?
@@Riyozsu nope 🙅♀️
@@JahonCrossthen how would you know?
It's like when Intel released Skylake and it was only around 5% faster than Haswell. That's what happens when your competitors don't compete.
Yes, lack of competition is disastrous
We shouldn't be comparing the 9700X with the 7700X despite the referential name. They might have the same amount of cores and threads, but their TDP is way different (9700X is 65W and 7700X is 105W). Instead we should be comparing the 9700X to the 7700 which has the same TDP, and also a $30 uplift in MSRP. A peformance and effienciency increasy of 7%, but who cares about efficiency at this power level? Most gamers only care about FPS for the buck, and when you go from $329 to $359 in MSRP and realize you lose the stock cooler, the game is kinda over. Name scheming means nothing nowadays. (I got this from youtuber Daniel Owen)
This needs to be upvoted more especially on a channel like this that compares pricing. Don’t fall for the marketing tricks.
I too saw the DO video
7800x3d beats 14900k while being a fraction of the tdp. Stop making excuses. The 9000 chips revealed so far are way worse than expected.
@@nikolailukanov8169 Yes, but only in gaming. My point is that the naming schemes have nothing to say between 7000 and 9000, and given the Intel situation it is important to be aware of AMD’s own lineup and specs on those gens, someone might be tricked to think the 9700X and 7700X are the same because of the similar names.
I think what really hammers it home that the 9700X and 9600X parts are fundamentally non-X parts is that the base clock is about the same as the 7000 series non-X parts. Next year we will see XT versions with 105W TDP that will be the true X versions
AMD missed a real opportunity to lure more customers away from Intel. If they're just going to lower prices eventually shortly after launch, why not price them lower to begin with.
Agreed! They had a chance to really shine, and they still can if they drop prices quickly
True enough AMD's marketing team really misunderstand this lineup
Zen 5 doesn't actually have a big efficiency uplift. The 7000 CPUs were 65W, the 7000X CPUs were 105W, and the 9000X CPUs are 65W. They are intentionally misleading consumers to compare the 7600X to the 9600X and the 7700X to the 9700X so it looks like there is a big efficiency gain. In reality, the 7000X CPUs were much more power hungry than their non-X counterparts, while offering only 2% more performance. If we compare 9000X CPUs to 7000 non-X CPUs, the huge efficiency gain vanishes. AMD purposefully chose to make it look like a 5% performance gain and a 40% efficiency gain, rather than a 7% performance gain and 7% efficiency gain. They knew zen 5 was going to be disappointing and unfortunately successfully misled many reviewers.
I built a semi mobile ITX build for VR in February based on an 7600X and RTX 4070 in the Terra ITX case and barely touched my almost 4 year old main PC (5800X and RTX 3080) since. The little ITX thing on my living room table is just so convient.
Thank you for your amazing videos, giving great overviews on performance and value, helping us choosing the best components. You are the best tech UA-camr, sharing No1 with Steve Burke! No fuss, just plain information and great enthusiasm. Please never change that.
Congrats on your build! And thank you for the feedback it means a lot
The Truth kinda hurts, was expecting more 😢 But if the price drops more, I hope your right 😊
I know! I'm frustrated too. But I hold out hope they drop prices quick like they have done before
You can simply up the power on 9700x to give each core more than 11W per core.
Effectively they shipped with Eco mode enabled, which given the number of people who lost their chit over 95C and 120W & 170W TDP is understandable.
But you cannot cut so much power and not have it cut performance, derB8uer's figures showed good gains.
We need to see if there's more than the memory configuration issue with PBO enabled that pursuaded them defaulting to Eco mode would go down well on benchmark obsessed reviewers.
Great video, I think AMD really shot themselves in the foot with limiting the 9700x to only a 65w tdp. That's what the non X counterparts are for. Needless to say I will be waiting for the 9800x3d. Anyway, I hope everyone has a wonderful weekend, please be safe and God Bless
Have a great weekend! Thanks for watching
You can undo that just by enabling PBO
Don't think they care.
These are the duds and overstock of Epyc.
At least 9700x won't cook it's self like it's current intel counter parts
@@9TDFevery cpu cooks themself silly
I’ve been here around the time you had 10k subs and WOW has your channel grown. You’re almost at 500k! Congratulations bro you deserve it.
Thank you so much for going on the journey with us! We sure do appreciate it
thanks to you all, I have a 7800×3D.. and RX 7800XT .....So Happy
Congrats on your build!
I was basing my entire spending plan off AMD having a killer launch and bringing down previous gen prices, this really screws things up. Hopefully something happens over the next four months to bring those prices back down.
I picked up a 7800x3d in June for $340. No regrets.
Nice!
I bet we are going to see lot of bios updates new AGESA versions to improve these CPUs. I can see that they will most likely keep getting faster as time goes on with better GPUs for higher scaling.
Here's hoping!
There is something wrong with the software in Windows. The disparity between Linux performance and Windows performance is too great. Check out Phoronix's review.
I'm very happy with my 7600x I got for 171. Was gonna go with 7600 , but seen that sale that one day and just grabbed it up and everything followed behind that. Got pretty much 50 bucks or so off of each main component except ram case and cooler
Did the same. Super happy with my 7600X
I'm currently building a 7600x pc. I got 7600xt, 5600mhz 32gb ram 46cl(bad), and a b650m from gigabyte. The cooler I bought doesn't fit in the case so I'm going to buy a smaller one and install everything when it comes
@ronzerker390 I would went with a more powerful graphics card at that price range honestly
@@ronzerker390 also get better ram don't sell yourself short save a little more
@peytonembaugh1484 I'm running a RX6800. Over 144 frames at 1440P all day no problem.
If the 9000X3D isn’t coming out this year I’m getting a 5 8500G and using my 4060, I’m really hoping X3D September/October
Currently happy with my 5600 and 6700XT at 1440p 144Hz system. After this 9000 series release by AMD I don't see any compelling reason to move to AM5 while the 5700X3D is available as an upgrade path.
I just got my 9700X build going last night. It works good for Stable Diffusion, general internet browsing/videos and moderate gaming. 7800X3D is still faster in gaming and other processors are a better value in price to performance, but Zen 5 is not bad at all. I'm happy with it, overall. Thumbs up for helping me to pick great parts for a smooth, cool build!
That's great to hear! Congrats on your build!
for the efficiency part, the new 9000x series are just regular non x series renamed to x, because they want you to compare non x series efficiency to x series efficiency
Madness of the X ,, and XT ,, AND xtx ,,, xxttxx xxxtttxxxtxtxxx
I am still using my intel 4790k for gaming, waiting for 9800x3d because I want the CPU to be set for 500hz monitors in the future.
beyond excited for the 9000 x3d line, will be building my first AMD system!
Nice!
i just finished my first build yesterday, glad i didnt wait and went for 7800x3d for my 4080 super. Just need a better monitor and im ready for 1440p gaming
Congrats on your build! Show off a build pic if you like on twitter/threads @pcbuilderjason
France update (from Amazon)
7600X ±215,87€
9600X 352,04€
780X3D 411,50€
9700X 445,75€
Note that the 7600X and 7800X3D have never been this low in France (except the 7800X3D during the Prime Day)
got ryzen 5 5600 for $117 back in may, thank god
Nice!
I have been thinking on buying the board and ram so long due to possible stock issues then wait for the 9800X3D. After seeing my local pricing for the 9600x and 9700x I estimate it may not be worth waiting for the 9800X3D. Everyone waiting for the X3D variant and AMD knows it. Guess I will be holding back until the dust settles or get the 7800X3D only with a price cut. The X3D will be the cash cow for sure...
I continue to appreciate your analysis of pc component releases, and your comparisons using common sense and very clear insights into the nitty-gritty matchups. Super useful for this long time pc builder who doesn't have the time for my own deep research.
Thanks so much for the feedback! It really means a lot
If I can get lower temps for the same performance then I’m all for it
Not trying to hotbox my office
Ryzen 7000 is just as easy to cool to be honest
I've just finished building my first PC with your help, thanks for all your videos, always incredible useful! And after watching this I'm glad that I didn't wait and went with the ryzen 7600 (with the radeon 7900 gre). Thanks!!
Congrats on your build!! So glad we could help. Show off a build pic if you like on twitter/threads @pcbuilderjason
Good video, cant say i disagree on the pricing for the least CPUs on AMD.
As a Example.
I bought the AMD Ryzen 5 7600X 6
For $274.55 original price $388.55
"Open Box"
At Canada Computers in Canada.
For some strange reason Canada Computers has another version of the CPU with a similar price.
Likely not "Open Box"
Original pricing.
$409.00
On Sale $289.00.
Almost 300 dollars which for the Ryzen 5 i did like the pricing drop otherwise its very likely i wouldn't had bought it.
AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D 8-Core/16-Thread costs around $528.98.
For me the Ryzen 7 costs a bit more then the Ryzen 5 7600X
I wish the 7800X3D was cheaper lol
Thanks for the sum up! 7900x being cheaper than 7800x3d is crazy.
Ryzen reminds me of intel's 4-core 14nm++++++ run. Single digit to no improvement year over year. Really disappointing that CPU's are once again boring. Lets hope we get some better GPU's.
In canada prices are still crap. AMD has an event on august 23. Hopefully they announce the X3D cpus.
The 7800x3d was priced at $309 on Amazon 2 separate times Monday and Tuesday. I ordered it both times but the order was cancelled by seller both times shortly after purchase. I finally got it for $366.
Always check the seller on Amazon, those were likely scam sellers sadly
The 9700X is more expesive then the 7800X3D in my region and its slower. It is more efficient and runs cooler out of the box but i think its not worth it.
Im going to wait for the X3D variants and the new motherboards. Maybe there will be a bigger difference in performance in the future.
Sounds like a plan!
@@PCBuilderChannel Yeah i have 2 Intel systems a 12th gen and 13th gen.
I was going to uppgrade the 12th gen to Ryzen 9000 and change to DDR5 since that system is still using DDR4. I hope the X3D variants will be a lot faster in games but we shall see. 🙂
BTW love the comment about the efficiency, Would've loved to see the 9700x with a higher TDP, AMD really "screwed the pooch" with this one
Agreed, its very frustrating
If you prefer the IPC gains to give more performance instead of efficiency, then just enable PBO.
As someone who use Intel cpu for the longest time, and recently try to build my first PC, I can't tell you enough how helpful this is.
I was planning to go with i7-13700+RTX 4070 combo. But after watching this video, I decided to swap them with r7 7600x+RX7800XT,
and a MSI B650 Tomahawk Wifi board.
Thank you for your this great guide, looking forward to your future video!
Thank you so much for supporting the channel! So glad we could help! The 7600X/ 7800XT is a great choice! Best wishes on your build and let us know how it goes
Literally on my way not to pick up a 7800x3d bundle at microcenter and finish my build today! Thanks for all the info Jason!
You are in good hands, this guy legit gives some of the best pc hardware recommendation i've ever seen. And I watch a lot of youtube pc hardware channels
What are your pc specs,
Nice! Congrats on your build! Show off a build pic if you like on twitter/threads @pcbuilderjason Id love to see it!
After releasing amd zen 5 . Pc industry becomes more interesting. Now whole year we gonna see intel vs amd . It's beneficial for youtuber as well . Yo
After the reviews I picked up a 7800X3D. My frames went up a lot in most my games for sure. I just don't like the temps. They bounce around a lot.
The temps will bounce around a lot when you're doing things but if you think the cooling is not properly working check your setup, mounting pressure, airflow, fan curve etc.
Cannot wait for "X3D".
Those are the really important chips.
Everything else can suck for all I care. :D
Yeah exactly.
If you are coming from a 5000 Series AMD, the 9000 is a big uplift. Well Worth it. I think I will go with a 9950x from a 5950x.
The question is, is it enough of an uplift as opposed to just going for a 7950X to make the money worth it?
Hey, one change you should do is add ryzen 7500f for comparisons. For all the rest,great video.
Sadly its not available in my market (the US)! Otherwise I would.
Tell Lisa to sell it here in the States... but she'd only give MicroCenter 69 of them and call it a day 😂
Ordered a 7800x3d a few days ago, suspect they will go up a lot in price when they run out of stock.
I wouldn't be surprised if they continue to go up in price
In my eyes, the Ryzen 5 9600X with its 65W TDP and $280 MSRP, replaces the Ryzen 5 7600 which had a much lower MSRP of $229, i.e. a $51 price hike, which is unacceptable. Same goes for the Ryzen 7 9700X.
LMAO ,, get a mental health check ,, your brain has been infected with AMD shill disease
My R7 5700x3d 200$ and RX 7900xt 650$ was the best upgrade after my 7 year platform R7 1700 and GTX 1080ti. AM4 X470 was a god send. Gave the cpu and gpu to my brother he got a b450 and 750 watt PSU hell peobably get a 5700x3d this xmas since he loves Cyberpunk, God of War, and Hogwarts at 1440p.
Nice!
Still on the bench about the Ryzen 9000 series and as seen with most reviewers they expected more from AMD, from total victory against to just going for "We're not Intel". Going to have to try to RMA my 13900K.
I know! It was such a moment for AMD to shine. Best wishes with your 13900K
Ouch! 😯 Best of luck with the 13900K RMA ... May the odds be ever in your favor 🫡
I'm kinda hoping Nvidia's RTX 5000 GPU's aren't going to be delayed by too much.. Seeing the leaks/rumors of RTX launch being pushed back to Q2 2025.
That would certainly put a hamper in doing an all next gen build this year.. If worse comes to worse I'll get a current Gen GPU as I dont want to wait that long. I already delayed my build plans for earlier this year in spring because next gen stuff was only a couple seasons away, or so I thought. Then summer arrives and the entire tech industry just implodes with RMA scandals, lawsuits/antitrust, delays, ect...
Maybe if Battlemage comes in early, and at a low price I can just get that as an intermediary.(I've always wanted to tinker with Arc) Probably won't be the greatest for a 4k TV, but I still want to wait for that 5090 or maybe a Titan... Either way I don't want to end up with a half build pc missing a GPU here in Oct/Nov and then have to wait an additional 4-6 months for the damn GPU. If that indeed ends up being the case. This whole launch cycle is all outta sync. Hopefully Battlemage launches before CES, could hopefully improve GPU pricing going into the Holiday season. Certainly looking like RDNA 4 and RTX 5000 will most likely debut at CES unfortunately.
Patience is a virtue, patience is a virtue, patience is a virtue.... dag nabit! 😬
Just get the 4090 high end build now and if you need the 5090 and a newer cpu you can sell the old stuff and upgrade
@@MrAnimescrazy I'm still gonna wait for at least Intel 15th Gen before I build. I've still got my laptop to carry me till then. As for a GPU, I'll make that decision when I get there. If Battlemage launches at/near the same time I may try it out for a bit, depends on the reviews. If it has comparative performance to the RTX 4070 Super, AMD 7800 XT or XTX I may run with it.
All kinda in the air atm. Just gotta wait at least until Arrow lake launches, then figure it out from there. I've been a PC enthusiast since 1999 due to my dad lol. Not my first rodeo with wonky release cycles. 30 year old something dude gonna be giggling like a toddler with fresh silicon to unbox lol.
@Demonoid1990 ha ha sounds like a plan.
ryzen 9000x series should have just been 9000 non-X with lower price. people are more inclined to buy the x3d instead of this
Yep
Really hope that the x3d models are a +15% more faster than the 7800x3d and cheaper.
Already have my motherboard and case ready; Just waiting for the rtx 5k series to drop and waiting for black friday/cyber monday
Would love to see a nice boost from them for sure!
I'm really hoping AMD will not make the same mistake with the 12 and 16 core CPU of the 9000 series.
I am so glad I didn't wait. Let's see what the X3D brings.
Yes! Fingers crossed people took advantage of the earlier deals
my thoughts exactly. if they would of stuck to the original leaked prices, $400 for the 9900x than the prices would be more reasonable. but jacking up another $50-$60 for the chips because they KNOW intel is in hot water is a asshole move. you seriously think the 2 week delay was because of a typo. nope. it was pricing adjustments.
I love how you put logic behind your claims. You use numbers to back up what you say while other content creators use emotions or they dont provide their reasoning.
Thank you! Appreciate the feedback
Thank the gods I recently picked up a 12600KF instead of a 13th or 14th gen! This Intel business really sucks, 13th gen has been out for a while now hasn't it??? Why are we just seeing these problems now?
We saw it first in the 13900K and 14900K, but now its becoming clear its a problem down the line.
Why is it that the biggest problem for AMD launches is AMDs prior generation? We saw this with the 7000 series launch being first on AM5, we saw this with the 7000 series GPUs, and now this.
I have a few requests out to build pcs right now, and unless we see some great value in the upper 9000 series chips, im building with 7000 cpus and putting more money into other components.
My personal builds will be waiting for the x3d builds as there isnt a point to me downgrading to a non x3d 9000 cpu.
What are you going to upgrade in your personal build?
Me when I built my pc with 7800x3d for 329 20$ off when you buy and SSD and motherboard bundled together at microcenter. I dont plan on upgrading for another 4 to 5 years.
What are your specs?
@MrAnimescrazy currently a Sapphire 7900xtx Nitro +, 7800x3d, MSI 670e tomahawk, 32gb ddr5 temgroup rgb 6000mhz cl 30, 2tb nvme sk hynix, 6tb toshiba HDD, Deepcool PQ1000M, lian li galahad II trinity and a standard EVO fan setup. Spent all together about 2100, not including the monitor.
I've been collecting parts for the new pc for past few months. In july there was a deal on 7800x3d, only 1350pln. But I thought it was still too high, and I wanted to get aio and mobo first. Of course, shortly after the deal ended, this entire shitstorm with Intel started and ryzen 9000 was delayed... Now the lowest price for 7800x3d is over 1600pln, with no deals in sight. It's a disaster for me, I literally have all other parts but cpu. And I don't know what to do, keep waiting for at least 1400pln price, bite the bullet and just pay almost 1700pln, consider going for 9700X?
I would get the 7800x3d.
@@MrAnimescrazy that is still my plan, but prices are stupidly high. I'm honestly considering just getting the cheapest am5 cpu, which are massively discounted now, and waiting for 9000x3d. It would be an improvement over my current cpu anyway
@@hopin8krzys ok sounds like a plan.
Thank you, Jason, for reminding me about the bios update.
Happy to help!
Jason you good that intro u seemed a bit tired and sleep deprived u good?
Love your enthusiasm AND quantitative approach. You seem like you genuinely want to help people, which is really cool.
Erm...really? The 7900X3D only 4 points lower in gaming than the mighty 7800X3D? Seems off to me. I didn't think I'd still be considering 7000s. BUT, we will see next week. I WANT TO BELIEVE!
I soo agree that efficiency is sorta stupid as a primary desktop CPU attribute (below 253 W). Just turn off the lava lamp or something while gaming. haha Seems like there is a lot of OC headroom on the 9700 tho. I mean, why introduce Curve Shaper for this series??? AMD might have sandbagged (like with PBO on the 7900 non-x) to steer peeps towards the pricier stuff.
Do you really think Der Bauer would compare a non-PBO CPU to a PBO'd CPU? Thermal Grizzly is all about being hardcore OC smart. He said he had more work to do tho.
Thanks for all you do! =) Hi to the cats
i was debating on waiting for ryzen 9000 but seeing as theres hardly any improvement at all im pretty happy with my 7800x3d, ill upgrade when we can have something more significant than zen5%, heck in some cases the 9000 version performs worse than it s 7000 counterpart
its basically a repeat of what happened on their radeon division with the 7000 gpus
That 7800X3D is a great choice, I'd hold for sure
I like the Dumb & Dumber reference. LOL
(;
Do you think B850/X870 boards will benefit Zen 5 more than Zen 4, perhaps better defining the performance gap between the two?
I don't sadly. But maybe a bios update down the road will help
I think it's possible looking at the past when you look at 300/400 series boards to 500 series but that had more to do with AMD sourcing the chipsets in house finally. I think it could help get better memory timings but on 9600X and 9700X I doubt many people will spend money on kits capable of increasing performance. Maybe tightly timed 6400 CL32 though... I'm interested in seeing how it turns out.
Anandtech correctly compared the 9700X to the non-X 7700. Meaning the 9700X seems way overpriced to me.
Yes and a 7700 non x is like 180$ on on AliExpress 😂 I own one and it's pretty dam good considering the 7600x was $220 when I bought my CPU months ago
Great video thanks. I am in the market for a new computer to handle all my trading activities, while also gaming with my kids. I am ruling out intel for now and was hoping this chip would do the trick, but maybe not. What do you recommend for running multiple demanding applications and gaming?
What is your budget?
@@MrAnimescrazy Whatever it takes to get the job done well. It will be a business expense, but I don't want to overspend for the sake of spending. I don't want to be wasteful. I was looking at a falcon nw, at 4K+ but it seems I could get a NZXT for 1000 to 1500 less. I will be running apps like interactive brokers, think or swim, and lots of browser web apps. Then playing fortnite at night. Leaning towards AMD right now.
@@brandond2868 I would go with a 4090 build with a 7950x3d cpu. Do you need help with the parts?
@brandond2868 you can get the 7950x3d and the 7900xtx or the 7950x3d and the 4090. Do you need help with a parts list or do you have all of the parts picked?
It depends on your budget/build needs but it sounds like a 7800X3D build would be great for you. Don't go 7950X3D or 7900X3D because they have performance issues compared to a 7800X3D. See our Best GPU/CPU Combo 2024 video, I think that will help you decide what you need
I just was able to pick up a 7600x from Micro Center in Denver for $98! Love it!
Nice!
Of course the prices will drop after the initial release is over. The current prices are to take advantage of those early adopters who have to have the newest thing right away. I'll bet they will lower the prices of the 9000s by Black Friday.
It's ok but not worth the price difference, of course they wouldn't release the x3d versions because they want to sell these first.
Frustrating strategy for sure!
You now do videos at greater resolutions than 1080p!!
Yes! 4k now!
Common reason is, AMD want to clear all 7000 series cpus out of the stocks, it make sense at all.
Love the news monthly vids👍
Thank you!
With ryzen 9000 not being very good I don't know what to do coming from an old platform that I would be looking to pair with a $$300-$600 GPU at 1440p (with a micro center available). I was hoping I would just be able to get a 9700x micro center bundle for like $400 and have it nearly match the performance of a 7800x3d but that won't be the case
Get the 5700x3d or the 5800x3d or the 7800x3d.
5700X3d is a great choice if you are on AM4. See our "how to upgrade your pc" video for more
@@PCBuilderChannel I’m coming from an i7 4790
Building my first pc as well trying to make it under 500
Under $500 is rough with new parts, you'll likely need to go used which other channels cover. But we have our Best Budget Gaming Builds 2024 video with a $550 sample build with all new parts
@@PCBuilderChannel i managed to get a seasonic gx-750 for 31 bucks and asrock a520m-hdv for 30 bucks
@@PCBuilderChanneli managed to get a seasonic gx-750 80+ gold for 30 bucks and a asrock a520m-hdv for 33 bucks
@@terrafair3248 unfortunately A520 Motherboards aren't any good. Nobody recommends them. That's probably why you were able to get it cheap.
I have 5 pcs, they all are doing their jobs just fine. I don't see a reason to upgrade for sometime. Got a 5900x, 2700x. 1650v2, i5-2500, and i7-2600
Your camera has amazing quality. What are you using? Overall, I think the 9000 series is being compared to the wrong 7000 counterpart given the voltage. I say compare the same voltage part between the two families (9700X with 7700 non X). Hope to see something better, but ill continue using 5800X3D for now.
Thank you! We just upgraded our camera setup with a Sony ZV- E1
I agree with you 💯% that performance increases are WAY more important than efficiency ratings. The 9xxx chips are a major disappointment. It's like buying a new car just to get that extra 2-3 miles per gallon. It would take decades before you'd recoup the cost vs. energy savings.
I'm not a conspiratorial type (well, actually I am! LOL), but it almost seems like AMD is paid opposition to release such lame CPU series in comparison to it's Intel brethren. Think I'll stay with my 5800x for the time being. Cheers Jason!
Thanks for sharing!
My ryzen 5 7500f paired with an Rx 6800 still kicking names and taking ass!😅
Love it!
AM5 for me is either 7600x or 7800x3D. 7500F would be on this short list if available through regular retailers.
Get the 7800x3d
The best choice will depend on your budget and GPU! See our Best GPU/CPU Combo 2024 video for more
@@MrAnimescrazy I did, I have 3 of each. About ready to get a 4th 7600X in a $500 custom PC that the parts right now equal $931 on Amazon. All new parts except a placeholder RX570. Going to pull that CPU and complete another B650 Aorus Elite home build. Save the board/ram for a rainy day when I come across a dirt cheap 7500F/7600. Put my shop PC's guts 5700x/B550/32gb/6600XT in it and sell it back off for $500.
@@45eno nice.
If they put up 9600 and 9700 (without X) and they use even less power, it will be a real comeback.
The X3D for now will only be able to save the series, not elevate them after what happended with the X.
I have a 5700X3D coming for $183 CAD. Seemed too good to pass up as a drop in upgrade for my existing PC.
Nice! See our "how to upgrade your pc 2024" video if that's helpful
Props to you and the great content. Greetings from Germany 👍🏻
Thank you so much, glad you're enjoying the channel! Hello from the States :))
I surely am the most loyal sub
We sure appreciate you!
Not complaints on the 7800x3d will see what the 9800x3d has to offer also the 5090 before replacing my 4080 super.
Yup I am waiting for the 9800x3d and the 5090 3rd party testing.
In my country all of them cost more... always...make me sick :(
i wonder if the 9000s will work any better in the new 8xx mobos?
Highly unlikely sadly. But a future bios could unlock more performance
I have to admit this is very disappointing from AMD. You would think they would know by now how they should price their products, but unfortunately this has happened for the past 5 years.
Frustrating for sure
I'm sticking with my 5800x and 5600x in our computers and the 12600k I have in the HTPC. I won't be upgrading to AM5 for a while but feel good I will be able to get a reasonably priced second hand CPU. So I will probably not upgrade for 3-5 years. I may upgrade the 5600x to a 5800x3D before a platform upgrade.
I just want to say that i love these vids as well as your boost your build ones. They help a lot when it comes to trying to choose between all of the pc options for most people.
Thank you for the feedback! Its really helpful to hear
Based on your own parameters of >= 160, the 9700x should have showed up on the high performance at 160 points? I'm guessing it is a rounding thing and barely missed out? Still the 7800X3D is the obvious better buy, but just saying, It maybe should have made it to the high performance section?
It's a calculated score and it is 159.6 which is rounded up, however the filter reads it as 159.6 so that is less than 160. I'll fix for next time.
My son's 13600k is running fine for now, but we're keeping an eye on it. My 12600k is running like a champ. Plan b if we have issues is to switch to amd.
The actual difference between the reviews seems to be the system configuration, not PBO
If you use the officially supported DDR5 5200/5600 as your base, the 9000 series looks a lot better than the 7000 series
It also looks a lot better than Intel 14th gen for gaming when all the systems use supported memory..
Using DDR5 5600 is representative of how Dell would configure a system, but not how someone watching gaming tech channels would configure a system.
Of course, anyone who watches the tech news knew that the current 9000 series CPUs would be uninteresting for high end gaming back in June when AMD admitted that the 7800x3d was faster.
I just found an i7 8700 with an Asus MOBO and 16GB of ram all for $100. I’d like to build a pc using all this. What NVIDIA GPU should I get? The seller had an RYX 2080 Super with it. Should I go for something similar?
Really good information in this episode! I have a 7600 with a 7900 GRE and I'm getting great price to performance. I'll probably consider another AM5 CPU in 2025/2026, but more for productivity than gaming, since I'm not CPU bottlenecked right now. Even then the 7600 works really good for my current productivity needs (my previous PC was AM4 5700x/RX 6600). I agree on waiting for 9000 series for now unless someone needs whatever productivity performance the 9900x or 9950x might have when they launch on 8/15 (but still a wait - if a short one - until the reviews come in).
Thanks for sharing!
wasn't Nvidia supposed to release a consumer (desktop) CPU? like a year ago?
Still waiting for 13900kf replacement here, in case they don't send replacement I dunno what I'll upgrade to
Frustrating! Sending good wishes for it.
You can upgrade to the 7800x3d.
For the algorithm and the almighty Mr. Bear
Have a fantastic day!
Mr Bear thanks you!
Hello quick question. I build a new PC, my plan is 5700X3D, 7800XT. Is the combo future proof? If not i would need to go AM5, which in my budget(and the prices in my country) would leave me with a R 5 7600x and a 7700XT. I think even tough it's AM4 my first choice is stronger for gaming, though? Thank you in advance.
Its not "future proof" because that is the end of the line in terms of CPU upgrades possible. But you could upgrade the GPU in the future. But my two cents is the best "future proofing" is to build the strongest pc you can right now with the budget you have. So if staying in AM4 gets you a stronger GPU that's a solid option