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Sorry but can you recommand CPU with a globaler view ? You forgot that the price of motherboard is important to, if you are on ddr5 or ddr4 and the capability to overclock the CPU with the right motherboard combo. And some cpu can limit ram overclocking to compare to other. With the simpliest point of view you're right but you forgot every important factor..... I see that you like AMD.....then talk about that 7800X3D on A620 is a cheap and right combo. (Look at some cpu's that are "not overclockable" if that possible to gain a huge amont of performance) You're realy great at what you do ! Thank for your content !
As someone who has built PCs in China. PC components in China are generally more expensive than US. So if you are in the US and find “deals” from sellers in China that have lower price than US stores. Then it’s either a scam that will send you something else entirely or it can be a scam in the sense that that it’s a second hand part. They will repackage it with new box, stickers and manuals, so it looks like it’s new and they will sell you it for a bit less than new price, but it is in fact used.
@@markruu5062 The short answer is I don't know. Just know that for domestic stores. Selling the PC part in China will earn them more money because the MSRP domestically is more expensive there than the US MSRP. So I don't see a good reason for them to sell it for a lower price internationally. Granted I don't own a store in China and they might have reasons I haven't thought about. The very very long answer. China doesn't have any large electronics store chains and basically only have small "mom and pop" stores. Their store areas are probably no larger then some large livingrooms. There are probably tens if not hundred of thousand of these stores in the country. It's impossible for anyone to know any of these stores by name only. Every large-ish city have at least one 8+ story building filled with these stores and none of the stores have any real inventroy. They all get their inventory from the closest storage from different manufacturers (ASUS, Nvidia, AMD etc), they are all clumped into one area. And they all fight for the same inventory. They are essensially brokers for the storage they have access to. And there are local storages everywhere. The better connections they have the more inventory and better prices they can get access to. Domestically e commerce platforms (jd.com, taobao.com) are extremely well regulated. You basically don't get scammed on those. You can buy from any store and you get what you're buying. They will sometimes still try to bamboozle you with the titles but they always say in the detailed descriptions exactly what the item is and in what condition it is in. Problem is you can't get on those sites from outside China. The ones aimed at internatinal buyers (such as Aliexpress) aren't very well regulated at all. And even if you find the exact same store on domestic sites and Aliexpress. If it's way less regulated. They can just scam you on Aliexpress while having a totally legit good store domestically. I'm not saying every chinese store is bad. Far from it. But since there are so many stores It is still a gamble buying from them on Aliexpress. Imagine if US stores would have a super easy way of scamming international buyers. How many of them would have a totally legit business inside the US while at the same time try to scam international buyers?
@@markruu5062JS- Computer is I’d say pretty reputable. I bought a ryzen 7600 from them and it’s performing with no faults for the last 8 months. I know of multiple people who have bought from there and have had no issues.
Dude you're insane. One of the best UNEDITED video I've ever watched. Your hook was spot on, you understand your viewer and the information was so valuable. G TO THE G homie. TLDR: I have a 5600x and thought about upgrading (I'm gaming, a bit of video editing too and productivity), I think I might wait next year else it's gonna cost me lots of $$ for not that much of performance.. I get that my 5600x and my RTX 3080 are probably still decent..! Cheers man !!!!!!!!!!!!
So good deal I got the 7600x because was 200Euro and the 7700X is 310Euro and doesn't gain much at games...Got with the extra 100 an Samsung ssd... I m just waiting for a good X3D model for games with extra cache...
As a Brazilian I feel so envy about price x minimum wages you guys have in US, is so cheap, here you just can't, and I'm not saying you hardly can't, you CAN'T buy any of this CPUs if you earn minimum wage, and prices are absurd, of course you just can't convert currency because you earn in dollars and we in reais, but just to compare, here the minimum wage is 1400 reais, the RTX 4090 cost 13000 reais, so, if you don't eat, pay bills and other things you need almost one year to buy the best GPU, the same with CPU, I know things aren't great with US economy right now but you have no idea how things are here... And not to forget, great video, like always, love your job, greetings 🇧🇷
Man, this sucks for you, and I'm sorry, but gaming is a hobby, and you can always find a less expensive hobby, you don't need to choose this one. You don't go on car testing videos and complain that Ferrari's are too expensive, do you?
The new 14900HX handles all the top graphics games flawlessly... I was going to do an AMD build with the 9950X, but the 14900HX had better all-round performance, so I purchased an MSI Raider laptop with it as a desktop replacement and hooked it up to my 4k monitor... Now I'm in hog heaven using Unreal Engine and playing games like Star Citizen and Starfield... The noise difference between the laptop and a build is a huge bonus as well...
I'm holding out for the 9950X3D coming soon... No way in hell will i go with Intel with half their CPUs failing and now needing a "patch" to stabilize them... No thank you... 💥
I have an AM4 platform currently, an R3600 with an RTX 2070 that's starting to show its age. I'm thinking of getting an used RX 6800 XT since it's below 400 usd here locally (Brazil) and a R5 5700X3D, so I don't have to replace my whole mobo + RAM setup. Idk if it's worth paying more for a new GPU, and am a little uncertain about used cards, but the newer cards don't seem great value, specially here
Hello fellow brazilian, i was about to buy a used ab350m board today, for my ryzen 5600, and the seller crashed its car in the way here because it was raining, now i dont know if i buy a used board, that was in a accident... maybe its too much risk involved lol.
@@meisterwu8922 no i didnt, i already knew buying a used mobo was a bad idea, so the deal was over. I will buy a new one for 500 R$, and that board with 24gb ram was 350 R$. I was trying to get cheap parts from people doing upgrades, like you. Already got my ryzen 5600 for 650 R$ when a new one was 850 R$.
@@polentusmax6100 unless the board itself got hit or fell and broke during the car crash I don't think it's a big deal that it was in a car accident lol. But yeah buying brand new parts always gives you way more peace of mind, knowing you can activate warranties and such
I remember watching one of your videos saying you’re a teacher… this really shows this is great for new pc builders and people wanting to hop into the PC World 👍🏽 keep it up
Personally i went with the 7900X3D, let me explain. First benchmarks are nice and all, but if you don't use a 4090 and a FHD 500Hz monitor, chances are even a ryzen 7500F will be plenty enough. the 7900X3D has about the same price as the 7800X3D, but has a few cores more, which are definitely appreciated for overall use, and at the same time, only half the cores use the 3DV cache, meaning the other ones can run at their full frequency. Thus, making it basically a budget 7950X3D with a much vetter price-to-performace ratio. In my eyes it's just the most versatile CPU that is still reasonably priced for non-professional use.
The 7900x3d is a good CPU and I would have went with that if I didn't find an open box 13700k for $235. I do more than game so I wouldn't even consider the 7800x3d.
I went with the 7900x3d too. I think that most reviewers are just too focused on gaming and not enough on productivity and mixed users. I upgraded from a 5900x and I think the 7900x3d was the most logical step up being better in single core, multicore, gaming, etc... When I have to pay 700-900 usd to move to am5, I think it's dumb to get a cpu that's not a complete upgrade in all areas like the 7800x3d. So many reviewers just skipped the 7900x3d and don't even benchmark it or include it in the charts, and just forget about it. The 7800x3d is more of a sidegrade when it is compared to a 5900x, having less cores and weaker multicore perf, and when it costs so much more compared to a 7700/7700x, I think it's objectively a bad value when you're paying 50-60% or more for some cache. AMD is just being like nvidia charging hundreds more for some vram. If the price of 7800x3d is similar to 7950x3d/7900x3d where it's 50-100 bucks difference between x and x3d cpus, I think it'll be a good buy, but youtubers keep drawing attention to the 7800x3d and amd knows that they can keep up the high pricing with them since they're the best. 7900x3d is about 9% worse in terms of gaming perf, but about 20% better in terms of productivity, so it's a better value and more all rounded product when they're around the same price.
@@zzz-vd5rp yea. Reviewers typically call out the 7950x3d for mixed use, but lets face it, the 7900x3d is perfect for that too when you want to save like 200€/$. Gaming will rarely cap out even 6 cores of x3d so you essentially get +50% cores for a mere +10% in price. while going up from 7900x3d to 7950x3d is +33% cores and +50% price. If you look realistically at it, it's a fking bargain. And honestly, the lack of reviwes/interst is probably the reason why it's so cheap.
Personally, I'm put off by the core parking business that still seems to be causing issues with chips like the 7900X3D. I like the chip and have considered it coming from a 5900x myself, but it seems even with a fresh Windows install and all, there can still be core parking issues coming up in gaming. Don't want to have to micromanage that until it works right. I think this is probably part of the reason why many reviewers recommend 7800X3D instead, even for people who do some (light) productivity on their machine since it'll just work with no core parking problems potentially ruining performance. If not for that, I would've loved to go for 7900X3D to have a more balanced chip that isn't pretty much 100% gaming-focused.
What type of productivity are you doing? The obvious choice for me is Intel except I'm not interesting given their current issues. Nothing in the Zen 5 lineup looks interesting to me. I'm mostly doing lots of AI generation and render. I play on a TV so I'm capped at 144 fps anyway... my 12600 can pull the frames fast enough for that.
I do a mix of gaming and productivity but the thing that I most notice is gaming performance. I have an AM4 board on a 5600G - I no longer need its GPU - and I decided to upgrade to a 5700X3D for the value; nearly as good as the 5800X3D for around 60% of the price right now (September 2024)! It's coming today. :)
Just snagged a brand new sealed 7600 for $150 today on a local ad. I have two boards and two kits of ram already and just waiting for a way below retail pricing 7500F/7600/7600x to complete the last two AM4 upgrades in the house. I have two 5800x's to sell off afterwards. I try to upgrade for as little as possible out of pocket hence why I just wait for the AM5 deal to pop up around $140-150 and then sell the 5800x for $140 hopefully.
yea never regretted getting my 7800x3d a 1 year ago with 32 gig ddr 5 6000 ram and the MSI 7900xtx ..it will be 3+ years before I will even consider any upgrades.
I'm still torn on what to build. I do a lot of gaming, which I'm hoping to upgrade to 1440p. I also want to process a lot of GoPro footage in Sony Vegas too. Is the 7800x3d still good for video editing and rendering? I just missed out on a really cheap, used 4070ti super build with a 7800x3d, it was $1500 Australian dollars :(
this was tailor-made for my interests and questions, thanks for doing all the hard work. something like this again once intel's new platform launches and opinions on it begin to settle would be very appreciated.
The 5700X3D is probably the best AM4 CPU for gaming right now considering its price. The 5800X3D is slightly better but the price is just silly now. The gap between the 5700X and the 5700X3D is as big as what you would experience between the 3600 and 5600X. So yeah, if you're on AM4 and gaming is what you do, you can basically skip the whole 7000 generation with the 5700X3D and wait for a bigger gap in the future.
Been loving my 7600x, 6400 cl30 32gb and 7900XT system. Coming from a amd FX and a gtx 960 it feels amazing launching a game and instantly being at the ultra preset
Hi Daniel, I have to upgrade from of my Intel 5 chip to a amd chip set in a mid tower case. I am looking for performance instead of gaming , but using two monitors added. My main concern is able to run a the latest operating system. I buy for long term only. Daniel, can you help? Enjoy video. Larry
i wouldn't buy a 13th or 14th gen Intel cpu above a 13700k or 14700k, if you want something with a lot of cores, get a 7900x or 7950x or a 12900k. The risk of the high end 13th and 14th gen Intel chips self destructing is too high for me.
I've very recently upgraded to the 7950X3D from the good ol' 3600 (had some money and wanted something I wouldn't have to upgrade for at least some years). The initial setup was a bit painful, with you having to install and check several things to make sure the core parking is actually working (don't let MSI install the CPU drivers upon initial setup. I did and later found out they were outdated). So far I've been very happy with it. Incredible gaming performance on top of smooth and fast productivity like in Affinity Photo and Davinci Resolve. Oh, and low temps and power consumption... Unlike chips from another company.
Thanks Daniel, for your clear and considered opinions. My use case is office work by day, and some casual gaming after hours. A Ryzen 5 is all I need and the money saved can go to more RAM or SSD capacity.
This is great but I'd also like to see comparisons of Performance/Watt and Performance/Watt/Dollar and how they compare to raw performance. I live in an area that gets frequent brownouts and blackouts during the summer and try to minimize my electricity use to help reduce load on the power grid (and keep my power costs down). So power efficiency and efficiency per dollar are two additional metrics I care about when building a computer.
Hi Daniel, I'm from the Philippines and I enjoy your videos. Maybe you can make a comparison with the pc parts we have here when it comes to US market so that the whole world would have a good perspective.
I've used many CPUs. Currently have a 7800X3D and as you can imagine, it's my favourite lol BUT imho I think the 5600/X is an absolute beast for gaming. Upgraded my stepdads PC a few months back (he was still on an i7 4790k) and got a bundle on eBay for £200. 5600X, 36GB 3600Mhz & A decent ASUS TUF B450. I was really impressed with just how well the 5600X can keep up with beefy GPUs. Stuck my 4080 Super in (he has a 1080 Ti) and it was still really damn good.
that was really useful info because i have the 5600X now and want to upgrade to a 5700X3D to handle a 4070TI super on a 1440P display ultra everything including RT , wat games and wat res did u try the 4080 with the 5600X?
I'm planning to upgrade from AM4 R5 5600gt to AM5. I mainly do digital painting, Photoshop, and a bit of Blender. My max budget is R9 7900x, but isn't that too overkill for those applications, or should I save a little and just get R7 7700x? My GPU is RX 7800xtr NITRO+
I just bought a Dell Inspiron 16 with a Ryzen 7 8840u. I'm hoping to use it mostly for dev work on Linux. I don't really care about the screen, so long as the keyboard is okay (doesn't have to be the best keyboard in the world). Is the Ryzen 7 8840u any good for what I want to use it for?
When referring to a chart listing multiple devices, it would be helpful if you highlighted the device you are talking about so we could see where on the chart that device is placed. I tired of having to get up and go to within a foot of my screen to try to find and read the rather subdued chart entries. Thanks for your efforts.
Hey do you happen to know if the 1300F is affected by instability and degradation issues? I heard someone say that from an architecture standpoint it's really just a 12100F with a slightly faster clock speed. I already own the 13100F, do you think I'll be okay? It's new in box I haven't built my pc yet just gathering all my parts now but I'm past the point where I could return it.
My Ryzen 7 1700X + GTX 1080 Ti combo I built back in 2017 is STILL going strong playing tons of games, even though it's not even on on your list anymore. A bit weak in the overclocking department, admittedly, but I just can't bring myself to replace it it's so stable and reliable.
I dropped in a 5700X3D to replace my 3700X, paired with a RTX 3080 and that has been a nice boost to 1% and max FPS in many games for me. I plan to build a new system the end of 2025 so it'll hold me down until then.
5700x3d and 3080 will last you even longer honestly. That's a great setup. Especially if you're 1080p, or even 1440p. You shouldn't need to upgrade for a few years honestly. However I understand how tempting it is when new stuff comes out.
If it were me I would get rid of the 9900k as soon as possible. They are starting to drop in price, seen them as low as 200-220 usd on ebay lately. I'd just be cautious if you sell it only, usually scammers will buy and delid, then return you some older intel 7th gen dual core chip with the 9900x heat spreader on. Make sure to record the numbers on the upper side of the substrate (not the numbers on the metal piece) although those are also a good idea to keep...
I picked up a Ryzen 7 7700x for $200 on Amazon a week or two ago.. I was planning on getting the 5 7600x but it 7700x was basically the same price.. I see most people prefer 7600 but since the price of both was so close did I make the right decision?? Thanks
@@NastroGG It still beats Intel's DOA products. And over priced depends on who you ask. Ask the average gamer, and everything is over priced. So by that logic, pc gaming should be dead. The value of a product is what the consumer is willing to pay. And a company charge what a consumer is willing to pay.
@Audiosan79 the situation always changes based on what's available at any given point in time and the buyer's needs based on what they have or dont have. For me, there was no better option than getting a 5700x3d since I could just slot it directly into my existing pc. That put its price to performance in my use case so far ahead of any of the competition that it was far and away the best option. In a hypothetical: If the situation was different, and my only option for an upgrade was a new system, and among the new systems Intel was both the performance and price/performance leader after factoring in motherboard and ram costs, then it would get my buy. That is not the case right now, but it could easily be the case in a year or two from now. So, if that's the case, and I'm in the market for a new pc, there's no reason I should feel like I'm one team or another. The fact amd supports their motherboards for so much longer than Intel has been a huge boon for customer retention. But, that is simply a decision that has been true up until now. It could change or be matched by Intel at any time in the future, completely changing the equation. My point stands: be team consumer, because that means you are team You.
@@NastroGG I agree with all that. And the 5700X3D is a great choice when you allready have a AM4 system. But my point is, gamers are complaining about prices no matter how low or high the prices are. They are often not in touch with the reality of the market.
me and my partner currently have i7 4790s ( i know its old af) and are upgrading in the very near future, obviously we arent rich if we are running 4790s in 2024. looking at either going for R5 7600, B550, 32gb ram, or for almost half the price we could get R5 5600, b450, 16gb ram... which would still be a huge leap from the 4790, but is on a dead platform (AM4), is it worth spending almost twice the money for the AM5 platform to have a bit of "future-proof-ability"??
My older sister has i7 4790k with 970 gtx I built her b550 mobo ryzen 5 5500 cpu 32gb ddr4 ram with 3060 free since I get PC parts free she's loving it 👍
@@kren4449 Yeah, i was looking at buying that one as well. From what i’ve seen you’ll lose on average like 20 frames or something over the 5800x3d, a worthy trade in my opinion considering the productivity boost.
I have been struggling to identify the best cpu to play City Skylines 2. If history is an indication, the first City Skylines needed a future cpu (from what was available then) to be truly fun at large city sizes. I am hoping that's not the case for this one and one from the current bunch will be more than sufficient. Would love to hear your thoughts. Thanks for the content!
12400F with 6700 XT What CPU upgrade viable for me in the future? 13th and 14th gen is cooked. Highly doubt the new microcode fix the degradation issue.
Dont know if I should upgrade my 12400 to something like 13600kf... Was my plan originally but after seeing all the microcode problems with it i have doubts... MB is msi b660 pro, My GPU is 6800xt, 1440p monitor. Also not sure if i need to upgrade my power supply with it, currently 650w 80 gold... Its fine now because my cpu never even uses 65w... And i guess 13600kf should be locked to 65w by new bios settings maybe? Any tips?
Thanks for all the great info. I'm building a new system for gaming and productivity. I'm going with the Ryzen 5 7600 (non-x) With it being 65w it should run cooler (Tech Power Up shows it much cooler running). I need a cool CPU as the PC lives under my desk. Pairing it with an RTX 4070 super.
Been watching your vids on both gpu and cpu. Trying to upgrade from a 7 year old build Intel i7-8700k and 1080SC2 GPU. Budget is not the issue, but if i can get something cheaper that works just as well, im good for another 7 years or more.
many games are developed for consoles, and they always have 8 cores even if only 2.3ghz. so if you dont want to have problems buy 8 core cpu, not 4, not 6, but 8
@@tomaszszupryczynski5453 problems? a 7600x3d will undoubtedly beat out anything non x3d cpu available. VERY few games benefit from those 2 extra cores for more than 2% benefit. "If you wanted to have something running in the background.." I don't. gamers don't. Not here to argue but making this 8cores or nothing argument is dishonest.
@@tomaszszupryczynski5453 Consoles don't use all 8 cores for gaming, they use 6 or maybe 7 as at least 1 core has to be for the OS and other things in the background.
@@masterlee1988 i highly doubt that. this was true with x360 and ps3, but today system most of time does nothing, and its linux kernal based so, yeah core0 is more used even in windows thats why i moved my gpu to core3 and sata to core2. that helped a little with performance, still just first descendant creates 196 threads, most performance loss is other people in network, albion and most crashes when someone joins. when you grind its better to set game to private
Hey I want to see testing with discord, streamlabs, and even logitech program running while gaming. While AMD is great for gaming does intel run better because of the efficiency core running other programs in the background? I have multiple things running while gaming and now my ryzen 2700 is having a hard time keeping up.
If you are an existing AM4 owner primarily focused on gaming you have only one question to ask. Can a $150 5700X3D drop in upgrade get full utilization from a RTX5070 or 8800XT in most gaming situations? If the answer is yes, than that is arguably your best upgrade path, especially when the savings of avoiding an entire new platform greatly helps to fund that next gen GPU purchase. Great work as always Danny :O)
I don't understand the 7950X3D. Results vary so much between reviewers. Sometimes consistently being on par or a bit better than the 7800X3D, sometimes being significantly slower...
It's scheduling. If you have one, be prepared to manually schedule games/apps to the individual ccds with process lasso. IMO don't bother. 7800x3d or Intel (be sure to cap voltages with raptorlake)
@@basilez It's do to windows install. If you do not have a fresh new windoms install that can detect that dual CCD CPU when you're installing windows, you're scheduling is f***ed. Thats why. Same goes for the new 9000 series dual CCD's. Even the non X3D's.
@@basilez I think some reviewers are limiting cores to 8 for their gaming reviews. If I recall correctly, that changes it's gaming performance to be very close to the 7800x3d
I watch these videos everytime you upload them knowing full well that the only two CPUs worth buying are 7600 and 7800X3D for budget and gaming respectively.
Idk yes theres better price to performance but alot of time you end up fiddling with stuff like bios updates and boost settings just to get it to run right
Ryzen 5 9600x and Ryzen 5 7600x only differ about €30 in price and the R5 7600 is another € 30 cheaper. I'm kind of forced to buy a new mobo, CPU and RAM right now. Would you still recommend going for the older chips? The difference in price is negligible as I will probably use this for more than 5 years. And the efficiency seems nice. Still, everyone recommends I buy a 7600?
I sat back and waited. I built an AM4 X570 in 2020. I had a 3700x, 32 gig of ddr4 3600, and an RX 580. Then things got crazy and I wasn't going to upgrade the graphics for 4 years. I just this year bought a 5800X3D at $308 and an RX 6800 for $358. I am good where I am for 3-4 years at least. I contemplated going with totally new everything. As it turns out I am glad I didn't build new. I switch back and forth and if Intel was looking like the better deal I would have gone with them. I could have had a chip on a timer. I would have been very irate and done forever with intel. If I'd have bought into AMD's FX line up I might have sworn off AMD although those chips didn't blow up they just kinda sucked. Nvidia got me "once". They'll never get me again.
You buy for improving the low end consistency, like when you normally would slow to a crawl because of memory swaps. Instead of thrashing between 25-100 fps you might see more time where frames never drop below 75. So effective you stay between 75-100 fps, which is much more pleasant.
Just got ryz 9 7900. Best cpu per watt. Just using 65w in eco mode, still can do as much as a 12900! Sold my 12900k. It made my room reach 33C in summer. I had to use AC. 250W for cpu + ??? watt for AC, I paid nearly 100$ per month electricity bill.
Upgrading my old pc. 1080ti, i7 7700k. Just bought the 4070 super on a discount. Npw im trying to decide between 7700 and 7800x3d. No clue on motherboard thou.
The X versions of each chip are usually better binned. Yes a 7600 can become a 7600X with PBO and manually inputting PPT, TDC and EDC values and vice versa but usually - not always the X parts have better memory controllers, FCLK, etc.
I am late to say this but resolution is also a huge factor in the demands set on your computer. General rule is the higher the resolution, the more the GPU will be depended on and the less for the cpu. Of course, how the game engine is designed has its effect and so forth, in which you will find some games just performing great and others not at relative resolutions.
MicroCenter has Ryzen CPUs on sale with a bundle discount if you include a motherboard + RAM. I snagged a 7950X3D for $400, which is a steal. They had the 7800X3D for $250 in similar bundles.
8600G can me mentioned in both CPU and GPU videos :) I got mine for 140$ Tray, I think in US it's at 180$ box, which is still a good price. Has ~gtx 1060 performance and allows playing older/esports games no problems, and comes with all the benefits of the newest chips - AM5 platform, AV1 decode and encode, great efficiency and as a result can work with a basic cooler and in a cheap case.
@@zhila5958 yes, like I have a 5700x and a 4070 ti super, it's bottlenecking my gpu but not in a way I can justify changing the mobo+ram+cpu, every game that doesnt have a limitator like elden ring it get way over 100-140fps, and in elden ring its solid rock 60 fps, imagine a 5700x3d
Daniel you are a legend. I am one of the ones who had a 13900 K and it has only had issues. I would upfate the bios and everything else. I rma'd it last month and they replaced it with a 14900 K and that came back 2.5 weeks ago and 2 days ago it's already crashing. The 14900 K is literally a 13900 K (already unstable chip) overclocked. It's been a nightmare. The microcodes haven't solved the problem. They keep coming up with "fixes" that aren't actual fixes since April. I am saving up for the 7800 X3D cause sick of intel. Could you recommend a good motherboard with it?
All of these have 2.5Gbit and very strong VRM. Without WiFi: Asrock B650 PG Lightning. With WiFi 6E: Asrock B650 Steel Legend WiFi. MSI MAG B650M Mortar WiFi. Gigabyte B650M Aorus Elite AX.
I enjoy the videos. I just completed my personal build. Lian li a3 matx case. ASRock B650m PG 7800x3d Gigabyte 4070 ti super Aorus m.2. Thermaltake edge 360 SP 32GB cl30 Corsair SF850L
X3d 9000 is going to flop because its going to be the exact same as the 7000x3d. Arrow lake will bring some gains, so we'll see in about a month. Have you notice their havent been any rumors on the 9000x3d chips?
How exactly will a 9700X with more cache be any better than a 7700X with more cache? Either AMD will change a lot more than they did when designing the 7800X3D for the Zen5 X3D chips, which I think is very unlikely other than a clock speed bump closer to the 9700X clocks, or they will give margin of error improvements on gaming just like regular Zen5 vs regular Zen4. At this point AMD is delivering Intel back the lead on gaming performance.
@@band0lero We don't know yet. The branch prediction improvements on Zen 5 cores might be mitigated by RAM latency so having more cache available might be able to better show the micro architecture improvements. We'll see when X3D lands.
For upgrades on am4, those charts are missing the 5600x3d and 5700x3d. And the big thing that is never talked about in cpu review / suggestion videos is what FPS/Resolution are you trying to achieve with a specific CPU/GPU. The 7800x3d may irrelevant if you have a weaker GPU or playing at 1440. A 12400 may be irrelevant. These maximum performance charts with a 4090 are of little help.
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Sorry but can you recommand CPU with a globaler view ? You forgot that the price of motherboard is important to, if you are on ddr5 or ddr4 and the capability to overclock the CPU with the right motherboard combo. And some cpu can limit ram overclocking to compare to other.
With the simpliest point of view you're right but you forgot every important factor.....
I see that you like AMD.....then talk about that 7800X3D on A620 is a cheap and right combo.
(Look at some cpu's that are "not overclockable" if that possible to gain a huge amont of performance)
You're realy great at what you do ! Thank for your content !
As someone who has built PCs in China. PC components in China are generally more expensive than US. So if you are in the US and find “deals” from sellers in China that have lower price than US stores. Then it’s either a scam that will send you something else entirely or it can be a scam in the sense that that it’s a second hand part. They will repackage it with new box, stickers and manuals, so it looks like it’s new and they will sell you it for a bit less than new price, but it is in fact used.
is JS-Computer Store or Jin Shi Computer, a Chinese store? found them on Aliexpress and looking to be buying a cpu from them. Are they reputable?
Useful info, thanks for sharing👍
@@markruu5062 If it's on AliExpress, it's a chinese seller. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm 95% certain
@@markruu5062 The short answer is I don't know. Just know that for domestic stores. Selling the PC part in China will earn them more money because the MSRP domestically is more expensive there than the US MSRP. So I don't see a good reason for them to sell it for a lower price internationally. Granted I don't own a store in China and they might have reasons I haven't thought about.
The very very long answer.
China doesn't have any large electronics store chains and basically only have small "mom and pop" stores. Their store areas are probably no larger then some large livingrooms. There are probably tens if not hundred of thousand of these stores in the country. It's impossible for anyone to know any of these stores by name only.
Every large-ish city have at least one 8+ story building filled with these stores and none of the stores have any real inventroy. They all get their inventory from the closest storage from different manufacturers (ASUS, Nvidia, AMD etc), they are all clumped into one area. And they all fight for the same inventory. They are essensially brokers for the storage they have access to. And there are local storages everywhere. The better connections they have the more inventory and better prices they can get access to.
Domestically e commerce platforms (jd.com, taobao.com) are extremely well regulated. You basically don't get scammed on those. You can buy from any store and you get what you're buying. They will sometimes still try to bamboozle you with the titles but they always say in the detailed descriptions exactly what the item is and in what condition it is in. Problem is you can't get on those sites from outside China. The ones aimed at internatinal buyers (such as Aliexpress) aren't very well regulated at all. And even if you find the exact same store on domestic sites and Aliexpress. If it's way less regulated. They can just scam you on Aliexpress while having a totally legit good store domestically. I'm not saying every chinese store is bad. Far from it. But since there are so many stores It is still a gamble buying from them on Aliexpress.
Imagine if US stores would have a super easy way of scamming international buyers. How many of them would have a totally legit business inside the US while at the same time try to scam international buyers?
@@markruu5062JS- Computer is I’d say pretty reputable. I bought a ryzen 7600 from them and it’s performing with no faults for the last 8 months. I know of multiple people who have bought from there and have had no issues.
Dude you're insane. One of the best UNEDITED video I've ever watched. Your hook was spot on, you understand your viewer and the information was so valuable.
G TO THE G homie.
TLDR: I have a 5600x and thought about upgrading (I'm gaming, a bit of video editing too and productivity), I think I might wait next year else it's gonna cost me lots of $$ for not that much of performance.. I get that my 5600x and my RTX 3080 are probably still decent..!
Cheers man !!!!!!!!!!!!
The 7800X3D.
Here, there is your video.
Depends on the use case, tho.
@@mrm7058Some productivity applications love the 3d cache. Not all though.
Imagine the top best of the best GPU for gaming was $350, wouldn't've that been nice. 🤣
if cant afford -> 5800X3D ,
if AM4 ->5700X3D
7500f>all lol
Bought 7700X for 200$ USD happy with the purchase
Was that the total price with tax?
@@chhandobhihbhushan2742 yes
@Krypto121 I don't understand why ? I don't have problems with cooling or psu also planning on upgrading to 9800X3D if it's any good in the future
@@RazMaster01 yeah dunno what he's on about
So good deal I got the 7600x because was 200Euro and the 7700X is 310Euro and doesn't gain much at games...Got with the extra 100 an Samsung ssd... I m just waiting for a good X3D model for games with extra cache...
As a Brazilian I feel so envy about price x minimum wages you guys have in US, is so cheap, here you just can't, and I'm not saying you hardly can't, you CAN'T buy any of this CPUs if you earn minimum wage, and prices are absurd, of course you just can't convert currency because you earn in dollars and we in reais, but just to compare, here the minimum wage is 1400 reais, the RTX 4090 cost 13000 reais, so, if you don't eat, pay bills and other things you need almost one year to buy the best GPU, the same with CPU, I know things aren't great with US economy right now but you have no idea how things are here... And not to forget, great video, like always, love your job, greetings 🇧🇷
Man, this sucks for you, and I'm sorry, but gaming is a hobby, and you can always find a less expensive hobby, you don't need to choose this one. You don't go on car testing videos and complain that Ferrari's are too expensive, do you?
That's so rough bro, and you can't leave either. Modernday slavery, share cropping.
Buy the 7500f it's on Ali. $125
The new 14900HX handles all the top graphics games flawlessly... I was going to do an AMD build with the 9950X, but the 14900HX had better all-round performance, so I purchased an MSI Raider laptop with it as a desktop replacement and hooked it up to my 4k monitor... Now I'm in hog heaven using Unreal Engine and playing games like Star Citizen and Starfield... The noise difference between the laptop and a build is a huge bonus as well...
I'm holding out for the 9950X3D coming soon... No way in hell will i go with Intel with half their CPUs failing and now needing a "patch" to stabilize them... No thank you... 💥
avx 2 did the same job as the patch but no talke about this trick pssssssssssssssssssssssssssssst :)
This November?
I wish the Ryan 7500f for $140 would get talked about more. Absolutely crazy vale and it bought my am5 build down to $760
7500f is 142€ in my area. Best bang for buck!
Haven't ever seen it available at any major stores in the US
I got my 7500f for 109 bucks
@@danielowentechonly available in china and some other countries
@@danielowentechIt’s 2024 we are no longer bound by what is sold within our borders.
-Proud 7500F owner
I have an AM4 platform currently, an R3600 with an RTX 2070 that's starting to show its age. I'm thinking of getting an used RX 6800 XT since it's below 400 usd here locally (Brazil) and a R5 5700X3D, so I don't have to replace my whole mobo + RAM setup. Idk if it's worth paying more for a new GPU, and am a little uncertain about used cards, but the newer cards don't seem great value, specially here
Hello fellow brazilian, i was about to buy a used ab350m board today, for my ryzen 5600, and the seller crashed its car in the way here because it was raining, now i dont know if i buy a used board, that was in a accident... maybe its too much risk involved lol.
@@polentusmax6100have you already paid for it? If so did you get your money back?
@@meisterwu8922 no i didnt, i already knew buying a used mobo was a bad idea, so the deal was over. I will buy a new one for 500 R$, and that board with 24gb ram was 350 R$. I was trying to get cheap parts from people doing upgrades, like you. Already got my ryzen 5600 for 650 R$ when a new one was 850 R$.
@@polentusmax6100 unless the board itself got hit or fell and broke during the car crash I don't think it's a big deal that it was in a car accident lol. But yeah buying brand new parts always gives you way more peace of mind, knowing you can activate warranties and such
Think the 5700X3d is the best value CPU for gaming at or under $200 USD.
I remember watching one of your videos saying you’re a teacher… this really shows this is great for new pc builders and people wanting to hop into the PC World 👍🏽 keep it up
Personally i went with the 7900X3D, let me explain. First benchmarks are nice and all, but if you don't use a 4090 and a FHD 500Hz monitor, chances are even a ryzen 7500F will be plenty enough. the 7900X3D has about the same price as the 7800X3D, but has a few cores more, which are definitely appreciated for overall use, and at the same time, only half the cores use the 3DV cache, meaning the other ones can run at their full frequency. Thus, making it basically a budget 7950X3D with a much vetter price-to-performace ratio.
In my eyes it's just the most versatile CPU that is still reasonably priced for non-professional use.
The 7900x3d is a good CPU and I would have went with that if I didn't find an open box 13700k for $235. I do more than game so I wouldn't even consider the 7800x3d.
I went with the 7900x3d too. I think that most reviewers are just too focused on gaming and not enough on productivity and mixed users. I upgraded from a 5900x and I think the 7900x3d was the most logical step up being better in single core, multicore, gaming, etc... When I have to pay 700-900 usd to move to am5, I think it's dumb to get a cpu that's not a complete upgrade in all areas like the 7800x3d. So many reviewers just skipped the 7900x3d and don't even benchmark it or include it in the charts, and just forget about it.
The 7800x3d is more of a sidegrade when it is compared to a 5900x, having less cores and weaker multicore perf, and when it costs so much more compared to a 7700/7700x, I think it's objectively a bad value when you're paying 50-60% or more for some cache. AMD is just being like nvidia charging hundreds more for some vram. If the price of 7800x3d is similar to 7950x3d/7900x3d where it's 50-100 bucks difference between x and x3d cpus, I think it'll be a good buy, but youtubers keep drawing attention to the 7800x3d and amd knows that they can keep up the high pricing with them since they're the best.
7900x3d is about 9% worse in terms of gaming perf, but about 20% better in terms of productivity, so it's a better value and more all rounded product when they're around the same price.
@@zzz-vd5rp yea. Reviewers typically call out the 7950x3d for mixed use, but lets face it, the 7900x3d is perfect for that too when you want to save like 200€/$. Gaming will rarely cap out even 6 cores of x3d so you essentially get +50% cores for a mere +10% in price. while going up from 7900x3d to 7950x3d is +33% cores and +50% price. If you look realistically at it, it's a fking bargain. And honestly, the lack of reviwes/interst is probably the reason why it's so cheap.
Personally, I'm put off by the core parking business that still seems to be causing issues with chips like the 7900X3D. I like the chip and have considered it coming from a 5900x myself, but it seems even with a fresh Windows install and all, there can still be core parking issues coming up in gaming. Don't want to have to micromanage that until it works right. I think this is probably part of the reason why many reviewers recommend 7800X3D instead, even for people who do some (light) productivity on their machine since it'll just work with no core parking problems potentially ruining performance. If not for that, I would've loved to go for 7900X3D to have a more balanced chip that isn't pretty much 100% gaming-focused.
What type of productivity are you doing? The obvious choice for me is Intel except I'm not interesting given their current issues. Nothing in the Zen 5 lineup looks interesting to me. I'm mostly doing lots of AI generation and render. I play on a TV so I'm capped at 144 fps anyway... my 12600 can pull the frames fast enough for that.
Ryzen 5 5600 + 3060 for my 1080p entry gaming Pc. Its what i can afford
Thank you, Daniel, your reviews are professional and chilling at the same time
I do a mix of gaming and productivity but the thing that I most notice is gaming performance. I have an AM4 board on a 5600G - I no longer need its GPU - and I decided to upgrade to a 5700X3D for the value; nearly as good as the 5800X3D for around 60% of the price right now (September 2024)! It's coming today. :)
Best move on AM4 platform. 7800x3d is the same deal on AM5
Just snagged a brand new sealed 7600 for $150 today on a local ad. I have two boards and two kits of ram already and just waiting for a way below retail pricing 7500F/7600/7600x to complete the last two AM4 upgrades in the house. I have two 5800x's to sell off afterwards. I try to upgrade for as little as possible out of pocket hence why I just wait for the AM5 deal to pop up around $140-150 and then sell the 5800x for $140 hopefully.
I've never catch one of your video this early before. I'm so happy 😅, very informative video as always.
i can't really explain how satisfying to watch daniel's god teaching mode with that mythic glass🔥🔥
yea never regretted getting my 7800x3d a 1 year ago with 32 gig ddr 5 6000 ram and the MSI 7900xtx ..it will be 3+ years before I will even consider any upgrades.
I got mine about the same time and play on a 4k monitor and have had no issues.
that should give you atleast 7 years before you need an upgrade.
3 years? more like 6 years atleast
Youre doing gods work Daniel!
Thx for this episode 👍🔥
I'm still torn on what to build. I do a lot of gaming, which I'm hoping to upgrade to 1440p. I also want to process a lot of GoPro footage in Sony Vegas too. Is the 7800x3d still good for video editing and rendering? I just missed out on a really cheap, used 4070ti super build with a 7800x3d, it was $1500 Australian dollars :(
I watched the whole video and I agree.
Bro, I haven't even watched the whole video yet.
X10 speed not enough huh? lol
this was tailor-made for my interests and questions, thanks for doing all the hard work.
something like this again once intel's new platform launches and opinions on it begin to settle would be very appreciated.
The 5700X3D is probably the best AM4 CPU for gaming right now considering its price. The 5800X3D is slightly better but the price is just silly now.
The gap between the 5700X and the 5700X3D is as big as what you would experience between the 3600 and 5600X.
So yeah, if you're on AM4 and gaming is what you do, you can basically skip the whole 7000 generation with the 5700X3D and wait for a bigger gap in the future.
Been loving my 7600x, 6400 cl30 32gb and 7900XT system. Coming from a amd FX and a gtx 960 it feels amazing launching a game and instantly being at the ultra preset
I saw that offer on Amazon also and thought the same thing. You would think Amazon would police that sort of thing. Thanks for sharing all this info.
Hi Daniel, I have to upgrade from of my Intel 5 chip to a amd chip set in a mid tower case. I am looking for performance instead of gaming , but using two monitors added. My main concern is able to run a the latest operating system. I buy for long term only.
Daniel, can you help? Enjoy video. Larry
Very helpful. 🤟
i wouldn't buy a 13th or 14th gen Intel cpu above a 13700k or 14700k, if you want something with a lot of cores, get a 7900x or 7950x or a 12900k. The risk of the high end 13th and 14th gen Intel chips self destructing is too high for me.
I paid 115$ for a 7500f with no sales tax on aliX, peforms same as 7600 minus iGPU
Will be a problem when your GPU has an issue and you cant do anything to debug
@@manojlds Oh my, that is probable. Not.
Great video where would you recommend going to from an i5 13400f? Thanks
I've very recently upgraded to the 7950X3D from the good ol' 3600 (had some money and wanted something I wouldn't have to upgrade for at least some years). The initial setup was a bit painful, with you having to install and check several things to make sure the core parking is actually working (don't let MSI install the CPU drivers upon initial setup. I did and later found out they were outdated).
So far I've been very happy with it. Incredible gaming performance on top of smooth and fast productivity like in Affinity Photo and Davinci Resolve. Oh, and low temps and power consumption... Unlike chips from another company.
Thanks Daniel, for your clear and considered opinions. My use case is office work by day, and some casual gaming after hours. A Ryzen 5 is all I need and the money saved can go to more RAM or SSD capacity.
This is great but I'd also like to see comparisons of Performance/Watt and Performance/Watt/Dollar and how they compare to raw performance. I live in an area that gets frequent brownouts and blackouts during the summer and try to minimize my electricity use to help reduce load on the power grid (and keep my power costs down). So power efficiency and efficiency per dollar are two additional metrics I care about when building a computer.
Hi Daniel, I'm from the Philippines and I enjoy your videos. Maybe you can make a comparison with the pc parts we have here when it comes to US market so that the whole world would have a good perspective.
I've used many CPUs. Currently have a 7800X3D and as you can imagine, it's my favourite lol
BUT imho I think the 5600/X is an absolute beast for gaming. Upgraded my stepdads PC a few months back (he was still on an i7 4790k) and got a bundle on eBay for £200. 5600X, 36GB 3600Mhz & A decent ASUS TUF B450. I was really impressed with just how well the 5600X can keep up with beefy GPUs. Stuck my 4080 Super in (he has a 1080 Ti) and it was still really damn good.
that was really useful info because i have the 5600X now and want to upgrade to a 5700X3D to handle a 4070TI super on a 1440P display ultra everything including RT , wat games and wat res did u try the 4080 with the 5600X?
I have a 5600x and when I upgrade my rtx2060 to a rtx3080 I was shocked at how well it kept up with it
Thanks for the meta analysis
"K-you-pon" is a word uttered by Satan when he stubs his toe.
The scene where Madison roasts Linus for saying Kyuopon lives rent free in my head.
did u mean "K-you-toe"
pon-pon shit, pon-pon shit...🎵🎶
He's saying Q-pun.
Hi Daniel..im from the land of the Ommpa Loompa's and PC parts are very rare and expensive here...thanks fir the review
Hey Daniel, good to see you
I'm planning to upgrade from AM4 R5 5600gt to AM5. I mainly do digital painting, Photoshop, and a bit of Blender. My max budget is R9 7900x, but isn't that too overkill for those applications, or should I save a little and just get R7 7700x? My GPU is RX 7800xtr NITRO+
I just bought a Dell Inspiron 16 with a Ryzen 7 8840u. I'm hoping to use it mostly for dev work on Linux. I don't really care about the screen, so long as the keyboard is okay (doesn't have to be the best keyboard in the world). Is the Ryzen 7 8840u any good for what I want to use it for?
When referring to a chart listing multiple devices, it would be helpful if you highlighted the device you are talking about so we could see where on the chart that device is placed. I tired of having to get up and go to within a foot of my screen to try to find and read the rather subdued chart entries. Thanks for your efforts.
Hey do you happen to know if the 1300F is affected by instability and degradation issues? I heard someone say that from an architecture standpoint it's really just a 12100F with a slightly faster clock speed. I already own the 13100F, do you think I'll be okay? It's new in box I haven't built my pc yet just gathering all my parts now but I'm past the point where I could return it.
I just ordered a 5700X3D for my AM4 motherboard and UA-cam immediately recommended this to me :)
I need to wait for my b650 steel legend that arrives in December should i wait for the x3d CPUs or just grab a deal for the 7700x - 265€
My Ryzen 7 1700X + GTX 1080 Ti combo I built back in 2017 is STILL going strong playing tons of games, even though it's not even on on your list anymore. A bit weak in the overclocking department, admittedly, but I just can't bring myself to replace it it's so stable and reliable.
Great video
What kind of workload would you take into account to make it mixed ? Like streaming or more like video editing/3D work?
I dropped in a 5700X3D to replace my 3700X, paired with a RTX 3080 and that has been a nice boost to 1% and max FPS in many games for me. I plan to build a new system the end of 2025 so it'll hold me down until then.
Sounds like my friend in new zealand.
5700x3d and 3080 will last you even longer honestly. That's a great setup. Especially if you're 1080p, or even 1440p. You shouldn't need to upgrade for a few years honestly. However I understand how tempting it is when new stuff comes out.
you speak so good and slowly that i can understand the most sences with my baaaad english ❤
This was informative and easy to listen to. I might consider the 7700 from my 9900k
If it were me I would get rid of the 9900k as soon as possible. They are starting to drop in price, seen them as low as 200-220 usd on ebay lately. I'd just be cautious if you sell it only, usually scammers will buy and delid, then return you some older intel 7th gen dual core chip with the 9900x heat spreader on. Make sure to record the numbers on the upper side of the substrate (not the numbers on the metal piece) although those are also a good idea to keep...
So theoretically speaking , if i want to have proper performance in both working scenarios , 7950x3d is a good purchase. right?
I picked up a Ryzen 7 7700x for $200 on Amazon a week or two ago..
I was planning on getting the 5 7600x but it 7700x was basically the same price..
I see most people prefer 7600 but since the price of both was so close did I make the right decision??
Thanks
I Was team intel in the past now my 13900k died so I got angry and turned red I guess I'm amd team now
Best option is to be team consumer. If amd releases over priced or dud products, no reason to be beholden to them
@@NastroGG It still beats Intel's DOA products. And over priced depends on who you ask. Ask the average gamer, and everything is over priced. So by that logic, pc gaming should be dead.
The value of a product is what the consumer is willing to pay. And a company charge what a consumer is willing to pay.
@Audiosan79 the situation always changes based on what's available at any given point in time and the buyer's needs based on what they have or dont have. For me, there was no better option than getting a 5700x3d since I could just slot it directly into my existing pc. That put its price to performance in my use case so far ahead of any of the competition that it was far and away the best option. In a hypothetical: If the situation was different, and my only option for an upgrade was a new system, and among the new systems Intel was both the performance and price/performance leader after factoring in motherboard and ram costs, then it would get my buy. That is not the case right now, but it could easily be the case in a year or two from now. So, if that's the case, and I'm in the market for a new pc, there's no reason I should feel like I'm one team or another. The fact amd supports their motherboards for so much longer than Intel has been a huge boon for customer retention. But, that is simply a decision that has been true up until now. It could change or be matched by Intel at any time in the future, completely changing the equation. My point stands: be team consumer, because that means you are team You.
@@NastroGG I agree with all that. And the 5700X3D is a great choice when you allready have a AM4 system. But my point is, gamers are complaining about prices no matter how low or high the prices are. They are often not in touch with the reality of the market.
@@NastroGG They did kinda just that.
me and my partner currently have i7 4790s ( i know its old af) and are upgrading in the very near future, obviously we arent rich if we are running 4790s in 2024. looking at either going for R5 7600, B550, 32gb ram, or for almost half the price we could get R5 5600, b450, 16gb ram... which would still be a huge leap from the 4790, but is on a dead platform (AM4), is it worth spending almost twice the money for the AM5 platform to have a bit of "future-proof-ability"??
My older sister has i7 4790k with 970 gtx I built her b550 mobo ryzen 5 5500 cpu 32gb ddr4 ram with 3060 free since I get PC parts free she's loving it 👍
what about a mixed gaming and productivity CPU for the AM4 socket?
Whichever fits your budget 5800x/5900x/5950x.
@@SkiRiverRunOk, thank you so much!
Bought 5950x for 310 eur, arriving tomorrow according to tracking, that should be good for productivity and gaming for a while
@@kren4449 Yeah, i was looking at buying that one as well. From what i’ve seen you’ll lose on average like 20 frames or something over the 5800x3d, a worthy trade in my opinion considering the productivity boost.
I have been struggling to identify the best cpu to play City Skylines 2. If history is an indication, the first City Skylines needed a future cpu (from what was available then) to be truly fun at large city sizes. I am hoping that's not the case for this one and one from the current bunch will be more than sufficient. Would love to hear your thoughts. Thanks for the content!
12400F with 6700 XT
What CPU upgrade viable for me in the future? 13th and 14th gen is cooked. Highly doubt the new microcode fix the degradation issue.
R7 7700 or i7 12700
Dont know if I should upgrade my 12400 to something like 13600kf... Was my plan originally but after seeing all the microcode problems with it i have doubts... MB is msi b660 pro, My GPU is 6800xt, 1440p monitor. Also not sure if i need to upgrade my power supply with it, currently 650w 80 gold... Its fine now because my cpu never even uses 65w... And i guess 13600kf should be locked to 65w by new bios settings maybe? Any tips?
Is there a consensus that keeps you reviewers from talking about the Ryzen 8000 ? e.g. 8700G ?
Thanks for all the great info. I'm building a new system for gaming and productivity. I'm going with the Ryzen 5 7600 (non-x) With it being 65w it should run cooler (Tech Power Up shows it much cooler running). I need a cool CPU as the PC lives under my desk. Pairing it with an RTX 4070 super.
In Germany we got ryzen 5 7600x sitting at 205€ and ryzen 7 7700 and 215€ what to choose for an rtx 4070 at 1080p?
Ryzen 7950x3D for productivity? ;-)
Been watching your vids on both gpu and cpu.
Trying to upgrade from a 7 year old build Intel i7-8700k and 1080SC2 GPU. Budget is not the issue, but if i can get something cheaper that works just as well, im good for another 7 years or more.
I think Daniel makes some great points here but if I was building on a new platform, it’s 8 cores MINIMUM
many games are developed for consoles, and they always have 8 cores even if only 2.3ghz. so if you dont want to have problems buy 8 core cpu, not 4, not 6, but 8
@@tomaszszupryczynski5453 problems? a 7600x3d will undoubtedly beat out anything non x3d cpu available. VERY few games benefit from those 2 extra cores for more than 2% benefit. "If you wanted to have something running in the background.." I don't. gamers don't. Not here to argue but making this 8cores or nothing argument is dishonest.
@@tomaszszupryczynski5453 Consoles don't use all 8 cores for gaming, they use 6 or maybe 7 as at least 1 core has to be for the OS and other things in the background.
@@christophermullins7163 Yep, exactly.
@@masterlee1988 i highly doubt that. this was true with x360 and ps3, but today system most of time does nothing, and its linux kernal based so, yeah core0 is more used even in windows thats why i moved my gpu to core3 and sata to core2. that helped a little with performance, still just first descendant creates 196 threads, most performance loss is other people in network, albion and most crashes when someone joins. when you grind its better to set game to private
What, first time see you do cpu guide.
Hey I want to see testing with discord, streamlabs, and even logitech program running while gaming. While AMD is great for gaming does intel run better because of the efficiency core running other programs in the background? I have multiple things running while gaming and now my ryzen 2700 is having a hard time keeping up.
No.
If you are an existing AM4 owner primarily focused on gaming you have only one question to ask. Can a $150 5700X3D drop in upgrade get full utilization from a RTX5070 or 8800XT in most gaming situations? If the answer is yes, than that is arguably your best upgrade path, especially when the savings of avoiding an entire new platform greatly helps to fund that next gen GPU purchase. Great work as always Danny :O)
looking to upgrade to a 5700x3d i was wondering if a pure rock 2 would be enough to keep good temp witheout undervolting
I don't understand the 7950X3D. Results vary so much between reviewers. Sometimes consistently being on par or a bit better than the 7800X3D, sometimes being significantly slower...
@@jealouspictures253 Because the cores have to be clocked down on the 7950X3D to not make the 3DVcache overheat
its due to software tbh, it all relies on Windows detecting game launch and pinning the game onto the CCD with X3D cache
It's scheduling. If you have one, be prepared to manually schedule games/apps to the individual ccds with process lasso.
IMO don't bother. 7800x3d or Intel (be sure to cap voltages with raptorlake)
@@basilez It's do to windows install. If you do not have a fresh new windoms install that can detect that dual CCD CPU when you're installing windows, you're scheduling is f***ed. Thats why. Same goes for the new 9000 series dual CCD's. Even the non X3D's.
@@basilez I think some reviewers are limiting cores to 8 for their gaming reviews. If I recall correctly, that changes it's gaming performance to be very close to the 7800x3d
I watch these videos everytime you upload them knowing full well that the only two CPUs worth buying are 7600 and 7800X3D for budget and gaming respectively.
Whats a great alternative to the unavailable 7800x3d for an am5 user?
AMD for gaming simple as that
Idk yes theres better price to performance but alot of time you end up fiddling with stuff like bios updates and boost settings just to get it to run right
The question is what's good for other stuff. We all already know (and have known for a millionth time) you should get you-know-what for games, bro.
@@DurkheadEh. I got a 7700 and I didn't have to mess with anything. I like that my system is stable and doesn't degrade rapidly.
@@DurkheadIs this true at all? Is there a single example where a modern desktop CPU won't run perfectly fine out of the box AMD or otherwise?
@@Durkheadyou really don’t though, also it’s not just price to perf, it’s just perf in general.
Ryzen 5 9600x and Ryzen 5 7600x only differ about €30 in price and the R5 7600 is another € 30 cheaper. I'm kind of forced to buy a new mobo, CPU and RAM right now. Would you still recommend going for the older chips? The difference in price is negligible as I will probably use this for more than 5 years. And the efficiency seems nice. Still, everyone recommends I buy a 7600?
My recently RMA replaced 13700k is a good sweet spot for game and productivity. It cost me $350 more than two years ago.
I sat back and waited. I built an AM4 X570 in 2020. I had a 3700x, 32 gig of ddr4 3600, and an RX 580. Then things got crazy and I wasn't going to upgrade the graphics for 4 years. I just this year bought a 5800X3D at $308 and an RX 6800 for $358. I am good where I am for 3-4 years at least. I contemplated going with totally new everything. As it turns out I am glad I didn't build new. I switch back and forth and if Intel was looking like the better deal I would have gone with them. I could have had a chip on a timer. I would have been very irate and done forever with intel. If I'd have bought into AMD's FX line up I might have sworn off AMD although those chips didn't blow up they just kinda sucked. Nvidia got me "once". They'll never get me again.
X570. Which is AM4
@@onomatopoeia162003 Typo. Thanks for pointing it out.
Are defective intel 13/14 still being sold? I'm about to do a new build.
5700x3d looks like its only a 10% performance increase for me. Am I correct in assuming that isn't enough of a boost to make a purchase?
You buy for improving the low end consistency, like when you normally would slow to a crawl because of memory swaps. Instead of thrashing between 25-100 fps you might see more time where frames never drop below 75. So effective you stay between 75-100 fps, which is much more pleasant.
Do you think Denovu is hindering Wukongs performance and making it harder to render??
What about the ryzen 9 7900x3d for gaming and productivity?
Crazy that we are getting the Ryzen 7 9800x3D (end of October ) before we get Ryzen 9 9950x3d
Do u have any apu recocmmendations?
7500F is damn sick for new cheap processor, got one for games with 7900GRE and iam damn happy.
BTW Dude whats that site u using for searching prices?
I think it’s called PCPartPicker
It's PC part picker site.
Just got ryz 9 7900. Best cpu per watt. Just using 65w in eco mode, still can do as much as a 12900! Sold my 12900k. It made my room reach 33C in summer. I had to use AC. 250W for cpu + ??? watt for AC, I paid nearly 100$ per month electricity bill.
Upgrading my old pc. 1080ti, i7 7700k. Just bought the 4070 super on a discount. Npw im trying to decide between 7700 and 7800x3d. No clue on motherboard thou.
The X versions of each chip are usually better binned. Yes a 7600 can become a 7600X with PBO and manually inputting PPT, TDC and EDC values and vice versa but usually - not always the X parts have better memory controllers, FCLK, etc.
What is the actual difference between a 95% vs a 105 % relative performance. is that 10% justified in terms of the money that you pay?
ok but I game in 4k 120hz with a 3090 ti and i need cpu for gaming and productivity. So i need witch cpu??
I am late to say this but resolution is also a huge factor in the demands set on your computer. General rule is the higher the resolution, the more the GPU will be depended on and the less for the cpu. Of course, how the game engine is designed has its effect and so forth, in which you will find some games just performing great and others not at relative resolutions.
MicroCenter has Ryzen CPUs on sale with a bundle discount if you include a motherboard + RAM. I snagged a 7950X3D for $400, which is a steal. They had the 7800X3D for $250 in similar bundles.
8600G can me mentioned in both CPU and GPU videos :) I got mine for 140$ Tray, I think in US it's at 180$ box, which is still a good price. Has ~gtx 1060 performance and allows playing older/esports games no problems, and comes with all the benefits of the newest chips - AM5 platform, AV1 decode and encode, great efficiency and as a result can work with a basic cooler and in a cheap case.
Recently went from a 3600X to 5700X3D.
I can finally play the Elden Ring DLC above 40fps.
Is it really that much better? I have a 2700x with an RX 5700.
@@zhila59585700x3d is amd's greatest gift to am4 users.
@@zhila5958 yes, like I have a 5700x and a 4070 ti super, it's bottlenecking my gpu but not in a way I can justify changing the mobo+ram+cpu, every game that doesnt have a limitator like elden ring it get way over 100-140fps, and in elden ring its solid rock 60 fps, imagine a 5700x3d
@@felipebrena6918 but i do have to upgrade my graphics card to accommodate the upgrade. am i right?
Went from 2600 to 5700x3d, feels amazing! Its so much smoother
Why is the 7500f not listed? It's the budget king of them all, performs like 5800x3d and super low power consumption.
5700x3D isn’t a bad buy I’m on it and it with an 4080S and it does everything I need em to do
Daniel you are a legend. I am one of the ones who had a 13900 K and it has only had issues. I would upfate the bios and everything else. I rma'd it last month and they replaced it with a 14900 K and that came back 2.5 weeks ago and 2 days ago it's already crashing. The 14900 K is literally a 13900 K (already unstable chip) overclocked. It's been a nightmare. The microcodes haven't solved the problem. They keep coming up with "fixes" that aren't actual fixes since April.
I am saving up for the 7800 X3D cause sick of intel. Could you recommend a good motherboard with it?
Do you want a b650 or b650e or x670 or x670e motherboard? I would recommend watching hardware unboxed motherboard videos.
I rma'ed a 14900ks and I demanded a refund. I don't have time for intel's foolishness.
@@deandremartin5739 did you have any luck? I am almost at this point.
@@MrAnimescrazy What would you recommend?
All of these have 2.5Gbit and very strong VRM.
Without WiFi:
Asrock B650 PG Lightning.
With WiFi 6E:
Asrock B650 Steel Legend WiFi.
MSI MAG B650M Mortar WiFi.
Gigabyte B650M Aorus Elite AX.
I enjoy the videos.
I just completed my personal build.
Lian li a3 matx case.
ASRock B650m PG
7800x3d
Gigabyte 4070 ti super
Aorus m.2.
Thermaltake edge 360
SP 32GB cl30
Corsair SF850L
Those new AMD cpu's are not for gaming. Wait for the 3D versions for gaming.
X3d 9000 is going to flop because its going to be the exact same as the 7000x3d. Arrow lake will bring some gains, so we'll see in about a month. Have you notice their havent been any rumors on the 9000x3d chips?
That makes sense considering how much AMD marketing materials and benchmark were focused on gaming. Total sense.
How exactly will a 9700X with more cache be any better than a 7700X with more cache? Either AMD will change a lot more than they did when designing the 7800X3D for the Zen5 X3D chips, which I think is very unlikely other than a clock speed bump closer to the 9700X clocks, or they will give margin of error improvements on gaming just like regular Zen5 vs regular Zen4. At this point AMD is delivering Intel back the lead on gaming performance.
They suck at productivity too for the most part.
@@band0lero We don't know yet. The branch prediction improvements on Zen 5 cores might be mitigated by RAM latency so having more cache available might be able to better show the micro architecture improvements. We'll see when X3D lands.
For upgrades on am4, those charts are missing the 5600x3d and 5700x3d. And the big thing that is never talked about in cpu review / suggestion videos is what FPS/Resolution are you trying to achieve with a specific CPU/GPU. The 7800x3d may irrelevant if you have a weaker GPU or playing at 1440. A 12400 may be irrelevant. These maximum performance charts with a 4090 are of little help.