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I remember Kripp evaluating Vicious Fledgling, and running scenarios in his head and slowly coming to the realization that the card was broken if played early and unanswered
Yeah i remember that too it was quite smth when u saw his face when he realised how broken it could be
Kripp in the original HS was incredibly good, I can singlehandedly say he's what kept me playing the game and what made me an above average player in the first place.
please. please please please keep doing this series. it is so entertaining and overall just a bunch of fun, roffle is a great personality and i hope you keep collabing with him
Agreed!
Agreed!!
That was a "tough" watch
Editor is goated for those afflictions, you and them went hopeless for sure lol
In the mind of a rater, conditional effects always happen. You'll notice that Professor Slate "your spells have poisonous" often does nothing, on most turns he has no effect. Including, for example, turn 3 on curve. But not to these ratings. In their minds, every time you play Professor Slate you also have a spell and your opponent has a big minion. Every Time. He's basically battlecry destroy a minion. And Tickatus comes down on turn 6 milling the opponent.
Roffle: This card was perceived this way and that way cause of this and that
Rarran: See,it's *tough*
The fact that Tickatus is an anagramm of 'Suck at it' suggests someone in card design knows what they are doing.
Not gonna lie.. I've never noticed, that's fucking hilarious
Tickatus is such a great card.... to be discovered by Aman'thul
There was that Discover a Demon It Costs 1 Less in the meta at the time too, which made it even better because 5 is easier to corrupt than 6.
There was also that lategame legendary that returned dead Corrupted cards to your hand.
It was so stupid and deleted everything even remotely slow from the meta.
In wild it was viscerally toxic when played with brann at the time, too.
@@jaeusa160People that say Tickatus wasn't good must have lived in a different timeline, Control Players complained the most, some of them quit the game or moved to aggro decks like Aggro DH because as you said there was no point to build a late game plan if you played against Warlock
@@paolo8665 i would say that now it's probably not worth to put in a deck, i played a lot of thief priest and i played that card more times than my opponents
@OptimisticRealizer you're still wasting a card slot, just not a draw.
"I am 100% behind this" as rarran flames chat is really good energy
I think the tickatus comment is referring to the felosephy card that let you duplicate it in hand then of course you yashaar those three tickatus to burn 30 cards
lol, by the time you get that off they’ve probably already drawn at least 15 of their cards
i think they thought corrupt stacked, so that if you played 4 cards more that 6, each would increase the card burn
@@werdinator1234 No, people just generally believed in the tickatus y'shaarj dream
@@jeromevent4548They weren't wrong tho
@@paolo8665 they were demonstrably wrong.
Logically I know tickatus isn’t amazing, but as a control player who was playing in darkroom fair, that card was miserable to play against, I was so happy the day it rotated.
Oh wow I absolutely loved the previous video of this, hyped to already see a sequel.
8:21
Your editor deserves a raise.
33:12
Darkest dungeon resolve test 😂
What a throwback, i remember when you aimed to be "the mercenaries guy" lol
Oh, is that the il siracusano menu theme i hear? Quite suprised to hear it here
I thought I was going mad when I heard it, glad to see that if I am, at least i'm not alone
Holy moly, arknights siracusa music.
Legit spooked, but a good spook
Took me a while to react to it since it's significantly lower volume than the speaking, very good pick for something lowkey in the background
Power creap is evident in marin the fox. Where for wizbangs workshop they drop the mana by one and have him just give you all 4 treasures
Great improvement on the original format! This seemed like a good content on the lice stream as well. Removing the possibility of metagaming by having both of you lock the guess simutaniously was a great improvement, even if it was not an actual issue in the first video.
Editor did a great job as well, the layout of both cameras was felt dynamic and natural. The half-cropped guess in Rarrans stream layout was bit annoying, but cropping in on the card was still definitely the right choice! While the scoreboard was not ”pretty”, it did serve its purpose well and the bright colors guided eyes to it, as it was important information for the videos narrative.
As someone who started playing for the first time around League of Explorers these cards feel very nostalgic. Just great hearthstone content. 5/5
When tickatus was put into standard initially, control priest and warrior that played for fatigue were still in the dying phases but playable. Tickatus was a polarizing card that said "win the game" in those matchups, and in the mirror, whoever drew and played tickatus first often just won the match.
Saying it was actually bad in standard is just... wrong. Bad in wild maybe, bad against aggro maybe, but it was a very powerful card in the meta
Yes and it was very popular too. "Corrupt" warlock was probably the most played deck of Darkmoon fair and they played 2 sometimes 3 Tickatus per game.
Also on lifecoach leaving.. it wasn't because the power level of the quest per se, but rather the design philosophy. If it's good you get a lot of games that look exactly the same, quest into 1 cost creature spam->carnassus->raptor spam. If it's bad it's a useless legendary you dust and feel shit about opening.
@BernieDSniper yeah, I was a priest only player until KotFT, and still played about 70% priest after that; prior to KotFT I exclusively played value control priest decks, after that I mostly played for inner fire combo deck lists and was rank 1 legend multiple times. Trying to have fun with a value deck early into monthly reset felt miserable while tickatus was around
Edit: similarly to life coach I quit when I saw united in storm wind card reveal because I hated the quest meta, and questlines looked like even more deck defining and powerful quests
Cry dude, they just talked about kids like you
@heracles9595 just to be clear in less words for you; most players play aggro. This card had a very negative winrate against aggro matchups. This card had an overall fairly negative winrate.
But it's played winrate in 4 meta matchups was over 90%
Bad design.
Sup Rarran! Have a video idea for you... I was thinking it would be fun if you and another creator played bingo in HS. You each have your own bingo card with different things you need to get in packs. For example, the same mana and stats, a legendary, all cards are from different expansions in a pack, name of the card contains 4 words. And the one that finish the entire card first or most of it wins. Hope you see this and love your content man! Take care
ETC actually makes the potential value of Platebreaker go up because you can easily run it in wild without wasting a card slot.
This is probably the best edited video on this channel. Great job!
Just so you know, the Darkest Dungeon references are appreciated ;)
Roffle standing the whole video like normal to show dominance. I adore him.
This vould easily be a mini series you do for every expansion. Wait a few months and then do this video format/concept with the newest cards. I would love this
I freaking love the doll master dorian/plot twist combo. Plot twist is one of my favourite cards ever.
Alternate Universe Rarran be like: "It's difficult".
11:40 regarding Platebreaker we need to consider the fact that card reviews (at least on the websites) are not supposed to say how much card will be played but how good it is.
Platebreaker is a super unique effect in Hearthstone that has ton of potential to be the key card in a right meta. Unlike weapon tech there is not ton of other options for this effect.
While I don’t follow hearthstone too much there is a similar example of this in magic happening right now. Suncleanser is a card allowing you to remove energy from your opponent (only well costed card to do so in Modern currently). It was a joke for last 6 years, but now it is a key sideboard card that allows the broken Nadu deck flip around its worst matchup.
The issue is Platebreaker costs WAY too much to be a tech card only viable in like....2 match ups. The reason Ooze (now Viper) can see play despite being useless against say Priest, Mage, etc. is because at worst you get a cheap vanilla statted minion for tempo. Platebreaker is bad stats for the cost and costs 5.
Platebreaker is and always has been absolutely garbage and in general tech cards are much worse in Hearthstone than in MtG
Watching videos like this is so unqiuely entertaining as being someone that has never actually played hearthstone because I don't know how good any of the cards were in their meta so at first glance I rate the card myself which is in every way that matters the same thing as rating the card before it comes out
How high did you rate plot twist?
Is it possible to get the initial ratings with the waybackmachine?
You’re finally awake! That fall looked really bad. Demon Hunters? Mercenaries? What are you talking about?
Come on, I just unpacked a Golden Moorabi, let’s go build a Freeze Shaman deck.
Hilarious
I love the Darkest Dungeon edits sooooo much, god i wish Rarran would go back to it. It was the most fun i had watching him live
Im at 10:14 and i thought:
Wait, is that ”unwelcome school” playing in the background?
Still trying to build Last Kaleidosaur/Lynessa. Both are in my favorite cards of all time. 💜
All power to you! But I find it interesting to hear. I find them super boring; it’s just weird minor buffing stuff as a reward for so much work. I like it flashier! 😅
Hell yeah, love the Roffle collabs
And you guys suffering seeing the scores
Platebreaker is great for the sideboard and it's 100 percent emotional. Plus, the art is fantastic.
Yeah, I remember having been in that side and I ranked cards based on how I liked them. This is a 5-star meme tech-card for me; I love it.
Surveying is difficult, because you don’t really know why people are answering the way they do and it can be quite diverse. In any case, this doesn’t dismiss the moldy-wood tier skills of the average HS enthusiast in judging and predicting the strength of new cards.
One of the best type of content for me (better only no dmg PVE and expansion series). Roffle and you are an amazing duo for this, keep doing!
Your editor is the GOAT
putting unwelcome school and papa ya in the same video should be against the Geneva Convention
31:30 I'm pretty sure back then Healing was the best Forbidden card. Ritual might have been played but Healing was like Reno before Reno. It was dead tempo but against aggro it could win the game.
Thing you guys missed on plague of murlocs compared to devolve is that devolve leaves them with big cost minions if their board was already big cost minions.
In theory, plague turns them all into small guys, so the bigger the enemy board, the better it gets compared to devolve.
On release, a control Shaman to use it didn't really exist otherwise it would have been better than devolve at that point. Over time, bigger murlocs kept getting released, so that upside over devolve was eaten away.
Old snowfall guardian... Probably one of the strongest card at that time. Turn 5 guardian, turn 6 guardian, turn 7 macaw turn 8 macaw turn 9 shudder
could you use the wayback machine to see the rating of the card on release?
plot twist was released the same expansion as renounce darkness, so basically it is an RD finder
Uther of the ebon blade is now an utter monster in wild. Once it's out all you need is the 1/4 and garrison commander and then tap your hero power twice for an uninteractive otk.
editor loving on darkest dungeon lol
I loved Green Jelly in Blood Death Knight, just make so many taunts that your opponents quit as a win con.
Funny that quite a few of these cards Kibler made them work. And those old videos are what brought me back to HS after 5 years of AFK. Tesspionage, Galvadon with BGM, Plot Twist WL, fun at hell. Now that I think about it, there’s nothing quite like that that Kibler is doing recently as the meta is so boring. You play the good cards to win or you play the meme cards and lose.
I think mercenaries was how I found rarran
the sudden pa-paya made me fucking double take, based editor holy
Roffle was just using math at his favor, always close to 2.5
tbh if i could tell my past self to do somthing, it would def be just disenchant cards from all the other classes and just invest in druid
I plan to come back tomorrow to watch this, but I wanted to say thank you for todays stream - it took some time but I appreciate the drops.
hot take but forbidden ritual was not the best forbidden card. it saw play in zoolock a bit but forbidden healing was the better card, control paladin either with nzoth in wotog or anyfin in gadgetzan both ran two copies of healing, the 20 point life swing is so much better than some 1/1s when you dont need many flexible cost cards in warlock because of life tap
Forbidden healing was absolute garbage. Flame was the best of them, then ritual.
@@YMasterScompletely disagree, forbidden healing saw play in nzoth paladin the whole time and it was always at least a tier 2 deck while the other forbidden were cut at most a month in
@Matiargentino100 it was wrong for it to see play. It was a bad card and shouldn't have been in those decks.
Also, wtf are you talking about, neither of the other two were cut until their decks stopped being viable.
@@YMasterS "I think it's bad so the data doesn't matter it's a bad card" lol
No joke, I loved green jelly. It's a joke card, but I would play druid with more taunts and buffs and chant "green jelly" to pray for it's survival. On rare occasions, it actually was quite good.
unwelcome school piano cover slaps at 10:35, nice vid btw
Plot Twist as a card exists in other card games and does very well in those, its just the type of game hearthstone is doesnt care about it as much. But as like a raw card game card, it would be pretty good which is why people probably value it highly
@@namelessliberty9869 Does banish mean "discard/put into graveyard" or "shuffle back into your deck"?
@@robertlupa8273 banish is remove from game, so neither
Pokemon is about the only tcg it would be good in. These effects have been made in Yugioh (Reload, Magical Mallet) and were awful.
I think Forbidden Ritual would've been a lot less good if it wasn't printed alongside Darkshire Councilman tbh.
I feel like I don’t even need to play hearthstone when these legends collab. Love both of them. 😊
Snowfall might have been one of the best card ever made before its nerf don't know what made them think it was fine to make
Viscous Fledgling
As someone who was going for fatigue control ,I loathed Tickatus soo much. I was losing to it constantly
Great editing Rarran :)
I totally get the plate breaker rating because games against infinite armor warrior were really long and boring to play against.
6:30 Is that Il Siracusano's Lobby theme I ear in the background? Didn't know Rarran knew Arknights. Great taste BTW
is that Simpsons Hit and Run music in the background? based editor.
I think this could be a really fun price is right type game with multiple creators, where they try and guess the ranking, getting the closest but not going over.
pa paya...pa pyapya pa paya pa paya...
This format is very fun, but I think it would be more tense when you would get points based on the difference between the guess and the card rating. This way you could have huge swing turns if you miss. Also would need to change to rate X cards instead of first to X points.
The lowtiergod edit lmao
I was and still am popping Platebreaker in my etc band in my control decks if the armor gain is meta
trying to sneak unwelcome school into the background music without us noticing
Platebreaker is a funny thing....mostly i added it to my funny, random spell generating mage and my thief rouge.
Ishue with those? If the enemy has constantly returning sustain, you can deal with it, but you can't deal with infinitely stacking hp unless you roll realy well on damaging spells or big minion creating spells. Many a times either a druid, or warrior, or even a paladin could break my ankles by just being a tiny bit too tanky for me to handle.
Honestly? The new, odin warrior is what i needed it be used against most of the time, as it simply generated too much armor too fast for me to keep up
Do I hear pa-paya in the background or am I going insane
I thought the same thing and tabbed in and out of FFXIV to stop and check 3 times! 😂
you underestimate how bad twig was in wild after instrument tech surprised people didnt have lost in the park lower
I loved Marin the fox. It's when I started playing and my first deck was inner fire priest. What's that? A free 0/8 that can attack as soon as it gets back to my turn? YES PLEASE
This was cool to watch live, I love these videos
funny thing, i started watching rarran his videos & streams because i was heavy into mercenaries
@31:00 "Myra's will be either one extreme or the other."
[is a flat 3.0 the dead hard median value on a scale of 1-5]
ngl I was with you guys there. I figured "Probably a like 1.8 Concede Rogue dud". It's just amazing that Myra's managed to be the exact opposite of a "well it's good or terrible" by being dead center.
Not sure if you implied this, but if the people just voted on the 2 extremes it would balance out at 3, so it probably has very few actual 3.x ratings
@@breeze0203 Ha, I didn't even think it might've actually been a case of so many extreme votes averaging out.
Galvadon the last Kaleidosaur, he's got stealth, and a whole lot more~
Galvadon the last Kaleidosaur, he's pretty good if you don't die turn 4~
While rogue ended up with endless ways to draw their deck, when Counterfeit Coin was released I don’t think that was the case at all. It was mostly just Gatgetzan Auctioneer, the rest was largely just cycle, not really draw as rogue was known for.
Counterfeit Coin was instantly played, as Tomb Pillager had shown how valueable coin was for rogue. You’d think not getting a minion on the board would negate much of the value of Tomb Pillager, but rogue had many ways to benefit from the tempo Counterfit Coin enabled, and could affort to spend the low impact draw and one card because they would get it back once they found Auctioneer.
This is to say: it was all just Auctioneer. If Auctioneer was not a great draw engine without Counterfeit Coin, Counterfeit Coin would have been too clunky as a combo piece. Rogue also didn’t have any other significant draw to make up for drawing it. Only because Auctioneer was already so good was Counterfeit Coin also a great card. If Auctioneer didn’t exist, it would have been exactly as good as in any other class that didn’t have an Auctioneer deck (as in: unplayable)
"It was just Gadgetzan Auctioneer" well yes, but that was one hell of a card sooooooooo
Tickatus was played and was played alot
it was shitting on control decks as much as Wheel of Death
so idk what timeline did I come from
Rarran not playing the game when snowfall guardian was released makes a lot of sense for not putting it in his top 100. i brought up this card in his stream and he said it was ok not that great when it was released it was one of the best cards ever printed it needed nerfed twice. You would lock out a board twice cause you could have two copies get 13/13s or wev and if the opponent dealt with those you would just shudderwock. It was soooooo broken and is a WAY better card and more impactful than patches ever was. i never lost a game because of a 1/1, yes the card was in every aggro deck because thinning your deck and getting a free card is useful but a 1/1 token is not very impactful in the long run of the game.
Uploading the best Hearthstone content so consistently has to be tough :)
Rarran keeps cranking out bangers! Amazing work!
Day 263 of waiting for Rarran to play Plants VS Zombies Heroes.
Day 264 no vid.
As an exclusively wild player since Un'goro you guys saying certain cards weren't good is "wild" to me. Such a different perspective to some of these cards when you get to include everything in the thought process.
Roffle has been predominantly a Wild player and streamer for the length of the game.
@@YMasterS well Rarran says it. I wished Rarran would give more to the wild community but I guess it's just not his territory. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I hate ticketus and I hate when people say I shouldn’t hate it. Idgf if it’s good or not, it sucks to play against and is the worst card design in hearthstone history
I agree annoying to play against.
Worst design in HS history, absolutely not.
From the top of my head, nozdormu, theotar and far watch post are 3 of the worst designed cards ever. If I had to say one though, it just is nozdormu. Losing the game because your opponents’ animations take up your whole turn is a win con that exploits bad coding. That’s the definition of a badly designed card imo
People tell you you sholdn't hate it because unless you play specifically combo or fatigue decks or any deck that for some reason absolutely needs to play one or two ultra specific cards against exactly Tickatus Warlock that card does literally NOTHING to you, you are just factually wrong about it being "the worst card design in history" or even bad design in general, it's not even close, but that's not something new players or bad players understand so people tried to teach them
I'm pretty sure with the guy who said Tickatus would destroy 25 cards is because they thought corrupt was repeatable, so each time you corrupted it, it would destroy 5 more cards. Odd conclusion to make from the card text but hey.
this video could be 3 hours long and I would watch it in one sit. I was really chearing for Rarran at the end so the video was longer.
Green jelly was pretty good for arena
25:38 Rarran once again reading what Lifecoach actually said but continues to propogate that he thought the card would be broken.
The Platebreaker I could see as something that nobody is actually putting in their decks, but every deck that is running ETC Band Manager is putting it as one of the band members. It's such a hyperspecific tech card that matters only in the endgame if ever.
love this type of content
Next time do it with an ante. The loser has to adapt the winner's facial hair.
I'd love to see bearded Roffle or clean shaven Rarran.
I think you guys forgot how easy it was to copy and get multiple copies of tickatus at the time. Thats why people hated him
Thanks for the video. I think you should get an extra point for guessing the score exactly.
God the 2 legends are back at it
33:00 Sick edit
16 times i was closer than both of you. Either being a bad player is an advantage here or i can just get into the head of most people better.