WoW Legion 7.2.5 - Frost Mage PVE Guide (Thermal Void Spec)

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  • @marcolozadadegregori6679
    @marcolozadadegregori6679 7 років тому +1

    Hi there really nice guide but I have to point out that you CAN´T shatter your frostbolt with your FOF proc, and that is because ice land dont get your target the freeze debuff, the only way that you can freeze your target is with flurry. That´s why u cast an ice lance right before the instant flurry, I think this could change your rotation a little bit, congrats on the vids tho!.

  • @superherokiller6
    @superherokiller6 7 років тому

    some problems in this video: you actually can do the double ice lance , you just have to shimmer before it. if you see 2+ FoF proc, you should spam it because if you have a BF proc you dont want to have a FOF proc at the same time, cuz its already a proc loss. For trinkets actualyy the haste one from harjatan is epic bis, you just have to use shimmer if you have to move. Single target rotation , i prefer using howling blast 24/7 because of the cdr of the orb. and you can use 2 instant blizzards within one orb. you have to precast frostbolt into a flurry, then an ice lance for maximum dps, and if you have enough haste(so your whispers in the dark procced, or bl used, or harjatan trinket is on max stack) , then you should use shimmer to the target and one more ice lance.

    • @ThatRealGamerGuy
      @ThatRealGamerGuy  7 років тому

      Hi @ExtremeCrew, I know you can double IL with shimmer. But people like to keep shimmer for boss mechanics. The pro's whom use shimmer to double IL don't watch my guides :D.Regarding the 2 instant blizzards, I can still cast 2 of them without howling blast. I know that casting BF proc with FoF proc is bad, but sometimes it happens when you're playing too fast :)

  • @Aureilius2112
    @Aureilius2112 7 років тому

    Hello, there are a few things you can be doing to improve. (My character:Aureilius-Darkspear)
    one thing is that you want to dump your ice lance procs quicker. You don't need to lead up every icelance with a frost bolt.
    Also with the 4 set I find it works open with frozen orb. This way your ebonbolt will get 20% more damage and the flurry proc will -5 seconds off frozen orb.
    Feel free to look my up on Warcraft logs, I usually parse in the high 80s-90s in heroic

    • @ThatRealGamerGuy
      @ThatRealGamerGuy  7 років тому

      Hi @Daniel Gerhart! If you open with a Frozen Orb into Ebonbolt, don't you lose one FoF proc to extend your Icey Veins? Right now I'm dumping my FoF stacks until' I have one left and then I start casting Frostbolt into FoF sequence.

    • @Aureilius2112
      @Aureilius2112 7 років тому

      Its true you are losing one FOF proc to extend Icy Veins but with the nerf to thermal void it really isn't going to change much. That really isn't the important part of my comment though, there is actually a good amount of variation which opener the top players are opening. The most important thing is to dump ice lance procs quicker, especially if you have 3 stacks from your frost bolt crits.

  • @strikemage977
    @strikemage977 7 років тому +15

    Decent Guide, just some major flaws in pretty much each section.
    1. You Value Crit way lower that it really is, in many cases it is better than haste.
    2. You can go down to 31.5%ish if that allows you to gain more Haste/Versatility as these are your major dps increasing stats, for me for example haste and versa even higher than intellect, and I am already at 10% versatility.
    3. In your rotation Video you wasted a lot of potential Procs, FoF aswell as BF. You casted 3+ Frostbolts while you had an BF proc. You should dump your FoF Procs asap so you can freely use your BF proc without wasting your FoF proc, as you get a free FoF after each BF which you can cast without having to get an FoF proc.
    4. You pretty much Shimmerlance in your opener if you can, as it leaves you with one spare blink which gives you enough mobility to be safe on most encounters, so your optimal opener would be yours + Shimmer + Ice Lance in right after.
    5. The legendary Gloves are very bad currently as you only get around 5 to maybe 6 if youre lucky which isnt even close compared to the gain of the Bracers which net you flat 15% dmg increase on your Ice Lances which is by far a bigger benefit than the legendary gloves.
    6. Same for the Legendary Trinket, the crit you gain from the Terror from Below give you a ton of extra secondaries you can invest into versa/haste which are atleast similar with the int gain you get from the legendary trinket, and the on use effect is pretty much ignorable, as it will be similar to the dmg from Terror from Below.
    7. You always want to cast frostbolt -> flurry proc -> ice lance, except for you risking to drop chain reaction right before you plan to burst with your Orb + IV. Then you accept losing a FoF proc for keeping up the 30% increased Ice Lance dmg which is in a cleave situation a ton, considering with splitting ice the 30% is even further increased.
    8. There are specific fights where you want to save your Ice Lance procs like mentioned in 6., like Mistress, where you want to do the same with only frostbolt -> Flurry without the Ice Lance if you would drop chain reaction and you have an FoF Proc, so you dont gain any FoF proc by doing the FB -> BF -> IL combo.
    9. Legendary BiS are by far the bracers and Ring in any situation, even if you dont use hero on pull as you get 2 hero's no matter what.
    10. There are only some exceptions to the Exodar + Bracer combo, on fights like Mistress where you can proc your Sephuz' on cooldown and gain that 25% haste basically with a 33% uptime, there Sephuz outclasses the Shard of the Exodar.
    11. The Clarity of Thought relic is stronger than the Frozen Veins relic, as the Frozen Veins basically dont give you direct dps improvement, only IV cd reduction which can end in close to no dps gain depending on your fight length, aswell it is very Brain Freeze proc/fb crit reliant as it can sometimes be pretty unlucky and end up giving sort of a low cd reduction with the relic. The Clarity of Thought relic on the other hand gives you more dps as you gain more procs, and also indirectly gives you cd reduction on IV by having more crits on your FB's which ends in you reducing your CD aswell.
    12. In terms of relics you want to pretty much aim at 1 Frozen Veins relic as it most likely gets you in that sweet spot in combination with the Medallion trinket which is on a 2 minute cd, and 2 DPS relics, which can either be Obsidian Lance, Let it go, or Clarity of Thought, where I prefer Clarity of Thought because it just feels better with more BF procs.
    This is some corrections/advice from a Mythic level Mage. you can check my WoWProgress aswell as my Logs, my ingame name is like my name here, Strikemage-Blackmoore.

    • @ThatRealGamerGuy
      @ThatRealGamerGuy  7 років тому

      Hi @ Strikemage, thnaks for the additional info. The mage guides will become better and better since I'm getting back into some hardcore raiding. This was made almost impossible due to the amounts that I work IRL. But thanks to changes in my working schedule, I can finaly get back into high end mythic raiding. I probably will play fire more then frost this raid tier. Got pretty bored with the frost gampelay :)

    • @carlsirotic4270
      @carlsirotic4270 7 років тому

      Very solid comments right there. Thanks for all the info. It answered alot of quetions that I was wondering as a fire mage switching to frost.

    • @harijaja
      @harijaja 7 років тому

      Hi!! I read your advice and you seem very knowledgeable. I was looking for your character but I can't seem to find it, neither in EU or US. I would lke to know if you give some kind of coaching or at least can make a guide. I've been playing my mage for some time But I cant see to progress, things like different usage of items for specific fights, or complete different chain reactions escape my grasp!

    • @strikemage977
      @strikemage977 7 років тому +1

      Its Strikemage-Onyxia now as i have changed guilds (EU) btag is Strike#2545 btw if u wanna add me for questions

    • @harijaja
      @harijaja 7 років тому

      Hi again! I did found you this time and was looking at your logs, sadly I'm on US servers so I cannot add you, anyways, hope I'm not bothering but I have another question... Why shimmer+lance? I can get the lance without proc because of the legendary, but why shimmer?! Thanks in advance!

  • @viktorsandgren8727
    @viktorsandgren8727 7 років тому +3

    love ur vids man, really helpt me alote as im new to frost spec

  • @eyrindirkharneus3815
    @eyrindirkharneus3815 7 років тому +7

    Shouldn't we always cast Frostbolt before the BF proc, to shatter the Frostbolt?

    • @ThatRealGamerGuy
      @ThatRealGamerGuy  7 років тому +2

      Yes we absolutely need to. Only time u you shouldn't , is when you shatter your ebonbolt or like in the video I'm about to loose my icey veins. And decide to go with a BF proc into IL to extend my icey veins :)

    • @eyrindirkharneus3815
      @eyrindirkharneus3815 7 років тому +1

      Ah makes sense. Also, on single target, we should NEVER use the instant Blizzard cast? Is it a DPS loss?

    • @ThatRealGamerGuy
      @ThatRealGamerGuy  7 років тому +2

      Pure single target fights, we don't use it. Unless you have the lego belt :)

    • @BrendanOriginal
      @BrendanOriginal 7 років тому

      Eyrindir Kharneus yes use the two blizzard instant casts during frozen orb it is a dps increase.

    • @eyrindirkharneus3815
      @eyrindirkharneus3815 7 років тому

      I've heard from a lot of people and from many guides, that casting instant Blizzard on pure single target fights is a DPS LOSS not a gain.

  • @adiosk8er617
    @adiosk8er617 7 років тому

    How come when you have two FOF you were still casting frostbolt? And is it best to alternate between ice lance and frost bolt when you only have 1-2 FOF?

    • @ThatRealGamerGuy
      @ThatRealGamerGuy  7 років тому

      Hi Kyle, recently we can stack 3 FoF charges instead of 2. For the rotation it has always been FB into IL to shatter it :). Unless I'm drowning in FoF due to frozen orb, I will cast IL wihout a FB. But only when I'm at 3 FoF. LIke for example on adds that need to get nuked down right away. I prefer touse my FoF without FB for quick burst.

    • @adiosk8er617
      @adiosk8er617 7 років тому

      ThatRealGamerGuy at about 8:05 you have 2 FOF procs and a brain freeze but you were still casting frostbolt. Were you waiting for a higher count of chain reaction? And also to add onto that do you recommend with 1-2 FOF procs saving them for higher chain reaction and incanters stacks?

    • @ThatRealGamerGuy
      @ThatRealGamerGuy  7 років тому

      Well the longer your chain reaction the better. At the end of the day, your're casting FB to shatter your FoF and at the same time hoping your FB gives another FoF or BF proc :). TBH I don't really track my IF stacks :D

  • @amypoes
    @amypoes 7 років тому

    Hey :) hello, nice video
    I have a question :) I do the same rotations as you and my ilvl is 915. My dps is shitty I do like around 550 k - 750k (max) on bosses in ToS normal/heroic. I really dont know whats wrong :( I almost have no procs and just have to cast frostbolt a lot. I only have a nice burst in beginning when I use the cooldowns.. and then dps drops down.
    My stats are : 27% crit, 21% haste, 62% mastery (way too much) and 5% vers. Is my dps so bad because of my stats? Is the lack of 6% crit the big problem?
    I have 4 set items of ToS normal and even the BiS trinket Tarnished Sentinel Medallion. My legendaries are: Shard of the exodar (ring) and Zann'esu Journey (belt).
    Some help would be reaaaally appreciated :D cause I feel very ashamed of my dps :( My character is Cakevendor-Terenas.
    Thanks :)

    • @ThatRealGamerGuy
      @ThatRealGamerGuy  7 років тому

      Hi!
      Well do you sim your character? I'm at 924 ilevel and my output is on average between 1mil and 1.3 mil using my rotation :).
      Indeed your stats are far from ideal. Here are my stats with 924 ilevel. 33.76% crit, 25% haste, 40% mastery and 8% versa.
      I would really recommend to try to rework your stats, do some mythic+ dungeons to get ideal stats on waist, feet and wrist for example :)

    • @amypoes
      @amypoes 7 років тому +1

      okay! will do! thank you for your fast reaction =D !

  • @michaeljay6468
    @michaeljay6468 7 років тому

    Hi mate, what addon did you use to have your cds bf procs etc showing in the middle of your screen?

  • @AswollAlpaca
    @AswollAlpaca 7 років тому

    hmm do you continue to cast ebonbolt off cd even if it wont be up by your next icy veins?

    • @ThatRealGamerGuy
      @ThatRealGamerGuy  7 років тому

      Hi Wildcard, this depends on how soon icey veins is getting of cd. Since frozen orb will be of cd way more with the new tier set. I advice you not to keep your ebonbolt too long for simply extending your icey veins :).

    • @AswollAlpaca
      @AswollAlpaca 7 років тому

      thanks man i appreciate the answer. trying to bring my damage up. my sims tell me that i should be pulling more but my meters and logs do not reflect it. XD

    • @ThatRealGamerGuy
      @ThatRealGamerGuy  7 років тому +1

      Glacial Spike guide is going online tonight, take a look at that one. I find it more challenging than TV atm :D

  • @Gglamdringg
    @Gglamdringg 7 років тому

    Why didnt u cast icebolt before instant flurry in the opening? instead u cast instant flurry then ice lance

    • @ThatRealGamerGuy
      @ThatRealGamerGuy  7 років тому

      Hi! This is because you want to shatter your Ebonbolt and use an Ice Lance to extend Icey Veins. :)

    • @Gglamdringg
      @Gglamdringg 7 років тому +1

      you cant make ebonbolt benefit from its brain freeze, this is why ppl cast frost bolt right after ebonbolt then flurry as soon as finished the cast of frost bolt (flurry reaches its target faster then frostbolt, so frostbolt can shatter on brainfreeze)

  • @MrDanky
    @MrDanky 7 років тому +1

    Love you're Channel

  • @RobertSmith-ch9jj
    @RobertSmith-ch9jj 7 років тому

    Audio is really quiet during the portion where you talk about your gear.

    • @ThatRealGamerGuy
      @ThatRealGamerGuy  7 років тому +1

      Hi Robert, on my computer it's not as loud as the other parts of the video. But it's not super quiet either:). The reason is bcs I use audacity while I'm doing the first half of the vid and for the second part I use OBS. Still new to the whole video editing stuff :)

  • @theBEAVER169
    @theBEAVER169 7 років тому

    Quick question, on my mage i am 924 ilvl sitting at 34% crit 30% haste 6% versa and 38%mastery, are these good stats overall and what should I try to change?

    • @iVebre
      @iVebre 7 років тому

      Matthew Fox You should get much more versatility, at about ilvl 905, Versatility is way better than haste I'd recommend getting at least 10%. Try Raidbots to prioritize your stats.

    • @theBEAVER169
      @theBEAVER169 7 років тому +1

      iVebre Hey, I really appreciate your input, basically I have another ring that brings up my versa by 5 and lowers my haste by 5, so I will go with that. thanks!

    • @ThatRealGamerGuy
      @ThatRealGamerGuy  7 років тому

      After reaching your crit cap. Go for haste and versa. I have a lot of mastery atm. Bcs sadly enough I still don't have my BiS tier pieces. All I can say is that sadly enough legos and a lot of gear pieces have mastery on them. I know it sucks :)

    • @iVebre
      @iVebre 7 років тому

      ThatRealGamerGuy for all that I know, the only tier piece that has mastery is back from t20, it's got Vers/mastery. Other three items would be Sentinels (an Owl trinket), ebonchill (haste/mastery) and lego bracers (if you have them).
      Every other item shouldn't have any no mastery, then you can easily reach crit cap (33,34%) and invest in some more valuable stats.

    • @ThatRealGamerGuy
      @ThatRealGamerGuy  7 років тому

      Hi @IVebre, while I'm at my crit cap, I'm still at 49% mastery.... Still waiting for better gear pieces :)

  • @JinzoFPX500
    @JinzoFPX500 7 років тому

    how do you autocast blizzard like that without mouse clicking area

    • @ThatRealGamerGuy
      @ThatRealGamerGuy  7 років тому +1

      Macro my man, here you go copy paste it.
      #showtooltip
      /cast [@cursor] Blizzard

    • @JinzoFPX500
      @JinzoFPX500 7 років тому

      thanks :) can you share what are the best macros for frost mage right now ? thermalvoid

    • @JinzoFPX500
      @JinzoFPX500 7 років тому

      btw im trying this macro it doesnt work, I still have to mouse click for it to cast

    • @JinzoFPX500
      @JinzoFPX500 7 років тому

      ok i got it, didnt know I add to replace it with my existint spell lol.

    • @ThatRealGamerGuy
      @ThatRealGamerGuy  7 років тому

      Can happen :D. Not much other intresting macro's I'm afraid :)

  • @anatolistoimenov1229
    @anatolistoimenov1229 7 років тому

    Why i never get the crit items...

  • @laszlovas1137
    @laszlovas1137 7 років тому

    Mate, you waste a lot of Brain Freeze procs with keep casting frostbolts whilst you have a brain freeze proc... just a tip.

  • @clockx84
    @clockx84 7 років тому +1

    What talent? dungeon and raid?

    • @ThatRealGamerGuy
      @ThatRealGamerGuy  7 років тому

      Artic Gale and Splitting Ice for dungeons and all fights with either adds or multitarget. Pure ST Frozen Touch and Unstable Magic

  • @kittyshanker
    @kittyshanker 7 років тому

    i have a question do i weave my FOF procs with icebolts and if so do i do this when i orb?

    • @ThatRealGamerGuy
      @ThatRealGamerGuy  7 років тому

      Ideally you weave your FB into FoF and use your orb when of cd :)

  • @quink6663
    @quink6663 7 років тому

    How do you get your blizzard to become instant cast?

    • @Jeroeniepoen
      @Jeroeniepoen 7 років тому

      Its a treat on your weapon you need to unlock it

  • @Hegovii
    @Hegovii 7 років тому

    What addons do you recommend for the frost mage PvE?

  • @iceblock4122
    @iceblock4122 7 років тому +1

    how do you get blizzard procs

    • @leese985
      @leese985 7 років тому

      Frozen Orb

    • @iceblock4122
      @iceblock4122 7 років тому

      I know frozen orb gives you procs but my frozen orb only gives me procs on ice lance?

    • @kittyshanker
      @kittyshanker 7 років тому

      its a talent in the diamond thing when u reach 36 traits every time u cast orb it gives free instant cast blizzards and u can get off like 2

    • @ThatRealGamerGuy
      @ThatRealGamerGuy  7 років тому

      Thanks for answering this question :)

  • @Fizord89
    @Fizord89 7 років тому +1

    I was told that FoF procs have 3 charges instead of the usual 2. Can you clarify this? is it true?

    • @ThatRealGamerGuy
      @ThatRealGamerGuy  7 років тому +1

      Hi @ Pyro Psionyde, this is indeed the case you can now stack a total of three FoF procs :)

  • @Rheila84
    @Rheila84 7 років тому +1

    Thanks for that nice guide, buddy *thumbup*

  • @Zurin
    @Zurin 7 років тому

    Helm is BiS under TV

  • @shabirparwaz
    @shabirparwaz 7 років тому

    You missed a few fofs there by casting fb on full procs

    • @ThatRealGamerGuy
      @ThatRealGamerGuy  7 років тому

      Shabir Parwaz You can store 3 FoF now. My weakaura glows when I have three :)

    • @easye137
      @easye137 7 років тому

      ThatRealGamerGuy he means that you want to dump your fof procs before you cap at 3 so that you aren't taking away chances to get more fof procs. Usually a good idea to just dump fof procs until you have 1 left before casting frost bolts

    • @ThatRealGamerGuy
      @ThatRealGamerGuy  7 років тому

      I'll try that for a change =)

  • @ericspencer9495
    @ericspencer9495 7 років тому

    What WA's are you using?

    • @ThatRealGamerGuy
      @ThatRealGamerGuy  7 років тому

      Check out my UI vid for this :) ua-cam.com/video/PlWePG5b8YY/v-deo.html

  • @1stKimozabi
    @1stKimozabi 7 років тому

    Looked at my leggos yesterday.
    The Fire hat, Sephuz's, the shield robe. Feelsbadman
    OMG, got a new leggo...
    Norgannon's Foresight. #suicidewatch :(

    • @ThatRealGamerGuy
      @ThatRealGamerGuy  7 років тому

      Heheh, I know how it's like to play without any BIS LEGOS. Only when I played fire in 7.1, I got orange parses bcs I had the BIS LEGOS. With frost I'm still waiting for a decent one :D

  • @DyLexia21
    @DyLexia21 7 років тому

    Dont hard cast BL its a dps loss ;)

  • @drewlane2911
    @drewlane2911 7 років тому +2

    Lot of false information in this video, came here for a mythic raiders opinion on the class and left with more reasons why I should listen to my own advice.

    • @ThatRealGamerGuy
      @ThatRealGamerGuy  7 років тому +1

      Hi @Drew Lane, due too problems within my guild, we didn't come to mythic raiding yet. Getting those 20 guys together is a painfull proces. I really don't think that mythic raiders come to my channel for advice :). It is still a basic TV guide.

  • @malleundco
    @malleundco 7 років тому

    did this guy copy you? ua-cam.com/video/SyaMAki8SAE/v-deo.html its exactly the same guide. even the words are the same ...

    • @ThatRealGamerGuy
      @ThatRealGamerGuy  7 років тому

      I really have no idea, might be, but then again I don't really care, you can't avoid these things from happening :)

  • @corypiontek2314
    @corypiontek2314 7 років тому

    You are not Kuni. Sry.

  • @suprememasterleader
    @suprememasterleader 7 років тому

    isent it better to cast frozen nova before ebon bolt hit? xD

    • @ThatRealGamerGuy
      @ThatRealGamerGuy  7 років тому

      I this a joke xD

    • @suprememasterleader
      @suprememasterleader 7 років тому

      no im for realz

    • @suprememasterleader
      @suprememasterleader 7 років тому

      if you have the new first set bonus you get 20& crit dmg with frozen orb active

    • @ThatRealGamerGuy
      @ThatRealGamerGuy  7 років тому

      You mean frozen orb? haha. You asked about frozen nova :p

    • @ThatRealGamerGuy
      @ThatRealGamerGuy  7 років тому

      With the TV spec we are still trying to extend our icey veins as long as possible. Using Frozen orb off cd all the time, as soon as it's ready. You really need to time it very well or you'll loose a FoF proc; that could have otherwise been used to extend your IV.