Alright, anime reviews. Yea or nay? As mentioned in the video, they take a fraction of the time a normal video on the channel takes and I could very easily maintain regular full-length uploads in between my bigger projects. Let me know what you think and if you like the idea, which animes would you like to see me cover in the future? Note that the style will be slightly different in the future to avoid copyright issues like this video faced (MASSIVE pain). Also, I just noticed that the song I mentioned liking in Episode 1 and the song I mentioned in Episode 9 are actually the same. Yeah, I don't know how I didn't catch that.
In terms of anime reviews, maybe do what you've done here and focus on VN adaptations, connecting them to your gaming content logically. It'd be interesting to get more full series/episode by episode synopsis and critique for regular anime too, but maybe consider a second/separate channel so thr anime content doesnt end up overshadowing or shifting focus away from the gaming content.
For me, I highly recommended Muv-Luv Alternative's best mecha anime of 2021, such as 86 Eighty-Six, Kyoukai Senki, Rumble Garanndoll and even Sakugan. Along with The Genius Prince's Guide to Raising a Nation Out of Debt is my newest favorite anime of 2022.
Just a minor correcti, TSFs are what humanity adapted from planes specifically because of the Laser-classes that were unleashed at Kashgar when the Soviets and Chinese were making headway into taking over the first Hive, rendering air support in most cases fatal. They don't share name designations with fighter planes for no reason, it's because they ARE what fighter planes were adapted to. Tanks, helos, AFVs, infantry, and everything else used in combined arms warfare is still present.
FYI, the anime *completely* adapted from the manga, not the VN (except episode 1 of course). Since you haven't read the manga, no wonder you missed manga only content such as Valkyries battle with Komaki and co. Actually, they did a pretty good job adapting from the manga, every scene has similar shots and angle so when I watched the anime, I can understand why they're skip a lot. So, before you watch season 2, I suggest to read the manga first so you'll know what to expect.
I would very much like it if you focused on the content you've enjoyed, and left adaptations like this in a shorter video. Personally, as with most fans of Muv Luv, we know that the adaption wasn't what we wanted so a video on diverting anime fans to VN fans would have been better. As for anime reviews? I'm down for that, but an hour might be too much and better left for longer games like VN.
I went in pretty much blind and I wrote the script as I went (the words I spoke were legitimately my thoughts from immediately after watching each episode) so I had no idea if I'd like it or not until I started watching. And as far as video length, I tend to just kind of write until I feel like I'm done. I didn't set out to make this video an hour long, it just kind of happened. I know I can be very long winded at times. Maybe if I do future reviews divided into 2-episide sections, that might help condense a bit, especially if I'm reviewing a fairly mid series like MLA was. I imagine these will get better with practice. I really don't know all that much about anime as an artistic medium just yet
Just really sad to see, I feel like muv luv is such a hard series to adapt, but definetly could of been better than this. A one episode version of extra and the rest being unlimited would of been so much better than this. Muv luv really deserves like a flagship series that's like 100+ episodes long but the way the story is structured it just wouldn't get the viewership. Muv luv is truly art, a lot of the best stuff just isnt popular, to make it popular you have to focus on a few aspects and make it palatable, attack on titan basically did that, a story as complicated as muv luv needed a production team on the same level as the source material to be properly adapted. Thanks for going through it, might watch it just to see different angle but seems like a disappointment.
The problem here is this anime was a homage to the muv-luv franchise and its fans, and they did mention that specific character building details were omitted in order for people to actually go check out the VN itself/manga. The manga for the most part expands on some of the scenes that the VN itself didnt cover, atleast that's what i remembered from it. Also the music used during the chase scene was from Evan call also, title being: Not Dead Yet.
Total Eclipse and especially Schwarzmarken are far better than this travesty of an adaption. Both of which were animes first then expanded to light novels that were never finished. The First 2 episodes of Total Eclipse are 9/10 excellent, where a constant state of dread is felt throughout.
Since you like the MuvLuv Series, how about you also watch and review "MuvLuv Alternative: Total Eclipse" and "Schwarzesmarken" i would like to hear your thoughts about these series
@@Adze To be fair, the TE VN is RATHER different in perspective and stuff from the anime (which was actually released first, in contravention to normal procedure). Not saying it's different, but you should watch the TE anime first imo. The VN puts things into perspective and adds stuff you'd be headscratching over otherwise. Also the TE anime is only 2/3 to 1/2 of what the VN was. There was also supposed to be routes in the VN but they got cut smh. Whole crazy fiasco over an artist who traced, had to redo a lot of the art. The Schwarzesmarken anime is good for, at best, an intro to what it's about. The characters and motivations and etc were completely butchered by the director, though the 2nd VN ended up having their issues too. But also TE should be watched first in any case.
@@IconOfSin24148 I remember MuvLuv Alternative: Total Eclipse as one of first mecha anime i watched (didint know about MuvLuv at all ) and i really liked it. In your opinion is it actually good? Or is it just nostalgia talking in me?
I really enjoyed this. As a person who is not interested in the adaptation it was nice to hear a detailed review. Also I cried when you put on desire lol.
Marimo had no real significance in the anime so far. She's legit just a background character at this point. If I had to guess, the way they'll handle Chomp is that they'll basically do a really good job with the scene itself, but the anime-onlys won't really feel the impact since they have no real emotional connection with her. That's kind of been the trend for a lot of the big emotional scenes. Like, the last two episodes of S1 were actually really good in a vacuum. The adaptation could have been good if the circumstances were different
Well, I think a find a place of hard debates. First of all, I read the VN first, and I was very disappointed by the anime, like many other readers. Everything was cut or missed. In my opinion, you can't understand and bound many details of the story, because all is only focus on Takeru (& and also Yuuko). Meiya, Sakaki, Mikki, Kei and also Mikoto don't exist. That was a shame. Even I know that the "first season" took place in the 1/4 of the VN (in reading time). Then, the out first episod which was excellent! Interesting things back only to episode 8 or 9, with the Shogun part. This is not a simple job to put a VN story, when the main character spend half-time in his mind, in anime. Then, I thought to abandon the anime and clean the MuvLuv Total Eclipse story VN (majority of stories about MuvLuv franchise are on Steam!). But, the 2nd season came. Now, there are more details, some scene I have watched are remastered. I think this can be a good reboot with better skins for all characters. Even if the beginning was not that I was expected, I think it's not a failure. I would continue and &end again the story, but yeah. I don't think I'll cry this time. Maybe? (((for those who would know how many reading time it was for the 3 VNs: -ML Extra = 10-12 hours for 1 way (there are multiple endings for all characters, except Marimo!) -Unlimited = 20-24 hours -Alternative = 80 hours There are some many details about the story and the world, but it doesn't feet to everyone to read for a long time. This is a very big world, other story exist with different way.))) Tell me, I read some comments, and I was surprise to find some people understand the majority of the meanings and the background of the story. I thought that was impossible.
If it’s any consolation I immediately understood the 3 different timelines of Muv Luv in the first few episodes of this series despite never having touched the VNs. I actually enjoyed the story of the anime and thought the anime was great. I had no trouble understanding the idea of the VNs from just the anime. And honestly I actually prefer this adaptation cause the first VN seems like it would put me to sleep, I am less interested in the characters dynamics then the post apocalyptic alien invasion though so.
As someone who read the VN (liked but not loved it), and after hearing all the expected anime adaptation HATE that VN fans always have, I appreciated this being a pretty fair review despite your middling opinion on it. Taking into account both as someone who loves the VN and trying to understand an anime-only viewer (one thing I think a lot of VN adaption haters dont take into account, or for some reason expect always 1-1 adapations.) Also I probably wont watch the anime till its fully adapted. Also I actually like the anime adaption's character designs and think the original 'gundam haircuts' looked silly to me. But I guess I'm in the minority and Im the fanbase the anime adaptors were trying to appeal to.
And yeah I agree with so many of these criticisms it hurts lol. There are some things to appreciate about it, as you said. And some cool added things. But there's definitely a ton of issues that overwhelm the good sections. Also, Komaki is in the Manga and TDA. Not sure if you've read TDA yet though so I don't want to say too much.
The season 2 is much much better than season 1, from pacing, battle scenes, to additional scenes from photonflowers side stories. Please watch it and review it as well
Yeah, the show's got its moments, but very middling overall. Honestly, it probably would have been way better if they started with Unlimited. A lot of what the anime lacked is covered in the main plot of Unlimited
It's bizarre that we live in an era of adaptions for various classics with attention and care to preserve the art style of its source, regardless of adaption's quality, just to have Muv Luv deviate away from its source this much. Why even bother adapting it in the first place if your show is going to resemble a skinwalker.
Review Psychopass season 1? maybe Yukikaze?, Sky crawlers is such a lol so probably not that. Obviously, the other 2 far better Muv Luv Animes are up first.
If I had to make a choice, I'd say Muv-Luv did it better, but it's really an apples to oranges comparison since Muv-Luv went with a time loop system whereas Chrono Trigger made it so you could actively move back and forth in time. Muv-Luv's time travel was definitely much more logically consistent (CT had a few continuity errors) and it has a basis in real life science, which I appreciate. Chrono Trigger's time travel is really tight as a gameplay mechanic and as a core gimmick. Even though the rules for time travel kind of changed whenever the story needed them to, it was done in such a way that it was easy to ignore the inconsistencies. I kind of view CT's time travel on the same level as Back to the Future. Doesn't make a whole lot of sense, but it's fun so who cares? Overall, they both achieved their goals, but I'd say Muv-Luv is easily the winner on a technical level.
I'm disappointed that they changed the character's designs. Or rather, they changed the whole franchise character designs. Where are my "hot big breasted girls in skintight pilot suits"? Nerfing the booba then delivering a shitty story. That's not the way to reboot and appeal newer fans for me
this portion of the series needs to be a long episode run, like 20 - 25 episodes, with an equally significant run given to the following arcs, with a total runtime about 100 - 120 episodes to properly flush the characters in detail. to nudge an old joke; in dragon ball it takes 2 characters to change a lightbulb, but it'll take them 3 episodes to do it.
So my first introduction to the franchise was the anime. I found it compelling enough that rather than waiting for the 2nd season, I picked up VNs. I actually prefer the anime. I found VNs too verbose and extraneous. Characters I liked and found compelling in anime, in VNs completely insufferable (especially Takeru). I found myself holding down return key for large parts of Alternative and Unlimited, and I could not finish Extra. I can see why people who are enamored with VNs being disappointed by the anime. With all the conversations and expositions in VN, the readers could literally develop emotional ties to the main cast of characters, and then come to feel like they are personal friends. No 3-season ensemble cast epic TV show is going to deliver that. When a character dies, you are not going to feel like a friend you’ve gotten to know after many hours of interaction has died. But I would argue that ML has a lot more to offer than just viewer building friendship with the characters and feeling profound sense of loss when they depart. It has a very interesting and well constructed world of alternative history, metaphysics, politics, sociology, cultures. Extraordinary set of events that are not completely magical ‘deus ex machina.’ Then you have a cast of characters with distinct personalities and backgrounds, who you can watch reacting and trying to cope with extremely difficult circumstances arising from this world. You don’t necessarily have to feel like they are personal friends to be able to relate to their plights. You just need to have the characters’ situations be plausible and their reactions convincing. In ML story, they do indeed. And in the anime, in my opinion, they do as well. So you should not expect something that the medium cannot possibly deliver, and if you cannot escape this bias, then should recuse yourself from passing a judgment. While not perfect, I think the anime stands on its own, has picked up only the necessary elements from the source material. In fact, they should focus screen time on key main characters (Takeru, Yuuko, Kasumi, Sumika, Meiya). On a completely different note, soundtrack of VN is superior to that of the anime. I hope they use more of the original themes in the next season.
As an anime only (TE and Schawrzesmarken and some TSFIA), I literally couldnt give a shit about episodes 2-8. This show is a lot more enjoyable when the story is more on the war against the BETA and humanity's desperate struggle to exist and far less on the harem / dicking around at base
Unfortunately, Muv-Luv Alternative's purpose is to be the payoff for the dozens of hours of buildup that took place in Extra and Unlimited (eg: the volcano scene was this whole big thing in Unlimited that served as both a showcase of Meiya's character and tied into the themes and philosophical questions the trilogy explores. It was referenced in a single line of monologue in the anime). Most of what's in the anime is only compelling if you've experienced what came before and I do not believe it's possible to adapt Alternative without at LEAST adapting Unlimited first. Muv-Luv is ultimately about the characters and how they react when thrust into this apocalyptic setting and about Takeru's growth from an immature kid to a dependable war hero (and of course, a big part of that growth happens in Unlimited, which they didn't adapt). If you get the chance, I would highly recommend trying out the VNs. Pretty much the only saving grace the anime had for me is that there were a handful of scenes that were actually pretty faithfully recreated and were surprisingly good in a vacuum. It's just a shame to see what they did to one of my favorite pieces of media.
@@Adze Honestly, I really don't get why Adapting the Muv Luv Trilogy has never been done before and even less why they are having so much issues adapting it now that they finally got to it. Extra and Unlimited could be done in a single Anime season. Extra being 5-6 episodes and 6-7 for Unlimited (Standard anime season of 12 episodes). Then have Alternative be about 2ish seasons. 30 to 40 episodes. You have series like Jojo with seasons lasting up to 39 episodes, or ones like Higurashi or Attack on Titan that are several seasons of 24 episodes each. So it's not like long series can't be adapted into an anime.
i might have misunderstood the story cuz i only watched the anime, but the reason for the rebels just seemed really fucking stupid, so they killed the president because a bunch of people where put to sleep and moved to safety outside of their will? I also found the action to be the most interesting part, the story was so confusing and i didnt have a clear idea of what was going on most of the time. And it didnt help that majority of the show was just characters talking about stuff i didnt care for or understand. I found ep 9 really good
Yeah, that story beat makes way more sense with context from the Unlimited VN where that scenario was the crux of the philosophical question of ethics vs pragmatism. But since they didn't adapt Unlimited, it holds zero emotional weight in the anime Also, IIRC it was kind of the straw that broke the camel's back where the rebels viewed the elected government as having systematically betrayed the people and the shogunate. It was a complex issue that they were unable to adequately explain in 22 minutes. I strongly recommend checking out the VN trilogy. The anime doesn't even hold a candle to it
@@Adze there's also a lot more about this in Teito Moyu that gives even more context about Prime Minister Sakaki and his actions until now. Including stuff with Kei's dad
I'll watch the hour long video in a bit but man, did this anime sucked ass. The Muv-luv fanboys will praise this garbage along side the NFT's that they are pushing and it's even getting a season 2? As long as muv-luv is under this dogshit animation studio the series is doomed to have a decent anime adaptation. They should've started from extra instead of skipping all the way to alternative.
I could have potentially understood starting from Unlimited. If they messed with the structure a bit, they could have made that work. But starting from Alternative doomed it from the start. Though I will say that sadly, it was better than most VN adaptations. That's not saying all that much, but still.
@@Adze I just finished watching your video. To answer your final question; I wouldn't have listened to an hour long review if it wasn't something that I liked and for me personally i have to really like a series to watch an hour long video something like muvluv, mushoku tensei, nitroplus+ VN's, JRPG's that are good. I think generally shorter reviews that are spoiler free should be fine because with this video you've limit your audience to those who has already watched the anime
Muv Luv "fanboys" have been trashing the anime since before it started lol, everyone knew it was gonna be a travesty. Only Kouki was coping at the beginning, and even he lost the will by the mid/end.
They toned it all down, the earlier ip's of Muv-Luv anime, this is like rated E compaired to the A , VN. and the M rated animes. just looking forward to the next VN in the universe.
Alright, anime reviews. Yea or nay? As mentioned in the video, they take a fraction of the time a normal video on the channel takes and I could very easily maintain regular full-length uploads in between my bigger projects. Let me know what you think and if you like the idea, which animes would you like to see me cover in the future? Note that the style will be slightly different in the future to avoid copyright issues like this video faced (MASSIVE pain).
Also, I just noticed that the song I mentioned liking in Episode 1 and the song I mentioned in Episode 9 are actually the same. Yeah, I don't know how I didn't catch that.
In terms of anime reviews, maybe do what you've done here and focus on VN adaptations, connecting them to your gaming content logically.
It'd be interesting to get more full series/episode by episode synopsis and critique for regular anime too, but maybe consider a second/separate channel so thr anime content doesnt end up overshadowing or shifting focus away from the gaming content.
For me, I highly recommended Muv-Luv Alternative's best mecha anime of 2021, such as 86 Eighty-Six, Kyoukai Senki, Rumble Garanndoll and even Sakugan. Along with The Genius Prince's Guide to Raising a Nation Out of Debt is my newest favorite anime of 2022.
Seeing Takeru slowly moonwalk away from characters is hysterical
Just a minor correcti, TSFs are what humanity adapted from planes specifically because of the Laser-classes that were unleashed at Kashgar when the Soviets and Chinese were making headway into taking over the first Hive, rendering air support in most cases fatal. They don't share name designations with fighter planes for no reason, it's because they ARE what fighter planes were adapted to. Tanks, helos, AFVs, infantry, and everything else used in combined arms warfare is still present.
FYI, the anime *completely* adapted from the manga, not the VN (except episode 1 of course). Since you haven't read the manga, no wonder you missed manga only content such as Valkyries battle with Komaki and co. Actually, they did a pretty good job adapting from the manga, every scene has similar shots and angle so when I watched the anime, I can understand why they're skip a lot.
So, before you watch season 2, I suggest to read the manga first so you'll know what to expect.
Been meaning to check out the manga eventually, but I just haven't gotten around to it yet (same with the Photons and TDA)
I would very much like it if you focused on the content you've enjoyed, and left adaptations like this in a shorter video. Personally, as with most fans of Muv Luv, we know that the adaption wasn't what we wanted so a video on diverting anime fans to VN fans would have been better.
As for anime reviews? I'm down for that, but an hour might be too much and better left for longer games like VN.
I went in pretty much blind and I wrote the script as I went (the words I spoke were legitimately my thoughts from immediately after watching each episode) so I had no idea if I'd like it or not until I started watching. And as far as video length, I tend to just kind of write until I feel like I'm done. I didn't set out to make this video an hour long, it just kind of happened. I know I can be very long winded at times.
Maybe if I do future reviews divided into 2-episide sections, that might help condense a bit, especially if I'm reviewing a fairly mid series like MLA was. I imagine these will get better with practice. I really don't know all that much about anime as an artistic medium just yet
Just really sad to see, I feel like muv luv is such a hard series to adapt, but definetly could of been better than this. A one episode version of extra and the rest being unlimited would of been so much better than this. Muv luv really deserves like a flagship series that's like 100+ episodes long but the way the story is structured it just wouldn't get the viewership. Muv luv is truly art, a lot of the best stuff just isnt popular, to make it popular you have to focus on a few aspects and make it palatable, attack on titan basically did that, a story as complicated as muv luv needed a production team on the same level as the source material to be properly adapted. Thanks for going through it, might watch it just to see different angle but seems like a disappointment.
The problem here is this anime was a homage to the muv-luv franchise and its fans, and they did mention that specific character building details were omitted in order for people to actually go check out the VN itself/manga. The manga for the most part expands on some of the scenes that the VN itself didnt cover, atleast that's what i remembered from it.
Also the music used during the chase scene was from Evan call also, title being: Not Dead Yet.
Total Eclipse and especially Schwarzmarken are far better than this travesty of an adaption. Both of which were animes first then expanded to light novels that were never finished. The First 2 episodes of Total Eclipse are 9/10 excellent, where a constant state of dread is felt throughout.
I dropped it at ep 3 too disappointed to continue but thank you for the review
Since you like the MuvLuv Series, how about you also watch and review "MuvLuv Alternative: Total Eclipse" and "Schwarzesmarken"
i would like to hear your thoughts about these series
I'm going to wait for the VNs to get an English release first (I hear TE is happening this year), but afterwards, I'll be happy to watch the animes
@@Adze To be fair, the TE VN is RATHER different in perspective and stuff from the anime (which was actually released first, in contravention to normal procedure). Not saying it's different, but you should watch the TE anime first imo. The VN puts things into perspective and adds stuff you'd be headscratching over otherwise. Also the TE anime is only 2/3 to 1/2 of what the VN was. There was also supposed to be routes in the VN but they got cut smh. Whole crazy fiasco over an artist who traced, had to redo a lot of the art.
The Schwarzesmarken anime is good for, at best, an intro to what it's about. The characters and motivations and etc were completely butchered by the director, though the 2nd VN ended up having their issues too. But also TE should be watched first in any case.
Wait TE has a vn! Sweet.
@@leion800 It does but it's untranslated into EN, even a fansub, and it hooks very badly with VN viewers so translations are gibberish wrecks.
@@IconOfSin24148 I remember MuvLuv Alternative: Total Eclipse as one of first mecha anime i watched (didint know about MuvLuv at all ) and i really liked it. In your opinion is it actually good? Or is it just nostalgia talking in me?
I really enjoyed this. As a person who is not interested in the adaptation it was nice to hear a detailed review. Also I cried when you put on desire lol.
Spoilers for the vn below.
I wonder how will they adapt that scene. Since you haven't even mentioned Marimo in the review
Marimo had no real significance in the anime so far. She's legit just a background character at this point.
If I had to guess, the way they'll handle Chomp is that they'll basically do a really good job with the scene itself, but the anime-onlys won't really feel the impact since they have no real emotional connection with her. That's kind of been the trend for a lot of the big emotional scenes.
Like, the last two episodes of S1 were actually really good in a vacuum. The adaptation could have been good if the circumstances were different
i definitely would watch more of these kinds of videos :0
Well, I think a find a place of hard debates.
First of all, I read the VN first, and I was very disappointed by the anime, like many other readers. Everything was cut or missed.
In my opinion, you can't understand and bound many details of the story, because all is only focus on Takeru (& and also Yuuko). Meiya, Sakaki, Mikki, Kei and also Mikoto don't exist. That was a shame. Even I know that the "first season" took place in the 1/4 of the VN (in reading time). Then, the out first episod which was excellent! Interesting things back only to episode 8 or 9, with the Shogun part.
This is not a simple job to put a VN story, when the main character spend half-time in his mind, in anime.
Then, I thought to abandon the anime and clean the MuvLuv Total Eclipse story VN (majority of stories about MuvLuv franchise are on Steam!).
But, the 2nd season came. Now, there are more details, some scene I have watched are remastered. I think this can be a good reboot with better skins for all characters.
Even if the beginning was not that I was expected, I think it's not a failure. I would continue and &end again the story, but yeah. I don't think I'll cry this time.
Maybe?
(((for those who would know how many reading time it was for the 3 VNs:
-ML Extra = 10-12 hours for 1 way (there are multiple endings for all characters, except Marimo!)
-Unlimited = 20-24 hours
-Alternative = 80 hours
There are some many details about the story and the world, but it doesn't feet to everyone to read for a long time. This is a very big world, other story exist with different way.)))
Tell me, I read some comments, and I was surprise to find some people understand the majority of the meanings and the background of the story. I thought that was impossible.
If it’s any consolation I immediately understood the 3 different timelines of Muv Luv in the first few episodes of this series despite never having touched the VNs. I actually enjoyed the story of the anime and thought the anime was great. I had no trouble understanding the idea of the VNs from just the anime. And honestly I actually prefer this adaptation cause the first VN seems like it would put me to sleep, I am less interested in the characters dynamics then the post apocalyptic alien invasion though so.
As someone who read the VN (liked but not loved it), and after hearing all the expected anime adaptation HATE that VN fans always have, I appreciated this being a pretty fair review despite your middling opinion on it. Taking into account both as someone who loves the VN and trying to understand an anime-only viewer (one thing I think a lot of VN adaption haters dont take into account, or for some reason expect always 1-1 adapations.)
Also I probably wont watch the anime till its fully adapted. Also I actually like the anime adaption's character designs and think the original 'gundam haircuts' looked silly to me. But I guess I'm in the minority and Im the fanbase the anime adaptors were trying to appeal to.
I think I came from a timeline that they made muv luv unlimited anime back in 2006, because I remember that's how I got introduced to muv luv
You're the guy that made the other video. I love your videos fr
And yeah I agree with so many of these criticisms it hurts lol.
There are some things to appreciate about it, as you said. And some cool added things. But there's definitely a ton of issues that overwhelm the good sections.
Also, Komaki is in the Manga and TDA. Not sure if you've read TDA yet though so I don't want to say too much.
As I am watching rn all im trying to look for is forums about MuvLuv alternative MC being absolute garbage.
The season 2 is much much better than season 1, from pacing, battle scenes, to additional scenes from photonflowers side stories. Please watch it and review it as well
I think the show did exactly what it set out to do. I mean, I really do want to play Muv Luv now.
Havent seen this anime but the OP is a banger, kaf is amazing. Anyways, sorry but i can't watch the whole 50 minutes, so is this anime worth watching?
episode 1 only
oh well, saved myself a few hours there then!
Yeah, the show's got its moments, but very middling overall.
Honestly, it probably would have been way better if they started with Unlimited. A lot of what the anime lacked is covered in the main plot of Unlimited
It's bizarre that we live in an era of adaptions for various classics with attention and care to preserve the art style of its source, regardless of adaption's quality, just to have Muv Luv deviate away from its source this much. Why even bother adapting it in the first place if your show is going to resemble a skinwalker.
Review Psychopass season 1? maybe Yukikaze?, Sky crawlers is such a lol so probably not that. Obviously, the other 2 far better Muv Luv Animes are up first.
Good question since you played both. Which thing do you think handled time travel aspect well, Muv Luv or Chrono Trigger?
If I had to make a choice, I'd say Muv-Luv did it better, but it's really an apples to oranges comparison since Muv-Luv went with a time loop system whereas Chrono Trigger made it so you could actively move back and forth in time.
Muv-Luv's time travel was definitely much more logically consistent (CT had a few continuity errors) and it has a basis in real life science, which I appreciate. Chrono Trigger's time travel is really tight as a gameplay mechanic and as a core gimmick. Even though the rules for time travel kind of changed whenever the story needed them to, it was done in such a way that it was easy to ignore the inconsistencies. I kind of view CT's time travel on the same level as Back to the Future. Doesn't make a whole lot of sense, but it's fun so who cares?
Overall, they both achieved their goals, but I'd say Muv-Luv is easily the winner on a technical level.
@@Adze I agree. Never thought I'd be comparing Muv Luv with Chrono Trigger but here we are. Both are amazing games.
I'm disappointed that they changed the character's designs. Or rather, they changed the whole franchise character designs. Where are my "hot big breasted girls in skintight pilot suits"? Nerfing the booba then delivering a shitty story. That's not the way to reboot and appeal newer fans for me
Total Eclipse is better.Sad there's no season 2.
have you read Muramasa yet?
is there a reason ur playing everying backwards
Copyright issues. Avex were being very aggressive with this video, so I was taking zero chances with the re-edit
this portion of the series needs to be a long episode run, like 20 - 25 episodes, with an equally significant run given to the following arcs, with a total runtime about 100 - 120 episodes to properly flush the characters in detail.
to nudge an old joke; in dragon ball it takes 2 characters to change a lightbulb, but it'll take them 3 episodes to do it.
So my first introduction to the franchise was the anime. I found it compelling enough that rather than waiting for the 2nd season, I picked up VNs.
I actually prefer the anime. I found VNs too verbose and extraneous. Characters I liked and found compelling in anime, in VNs completely insufferable (especially Takeru). I found myself holding down return key for large parts of Alternative and Unlimited, and I could not finish Extra.
I can see why people who are enamored with VNs being disappointed by the anime. With all the conversations and expositions in VN, the readers could literally develop emotional ties to the main cast of characters, and then come to feel like they are personal friends. No 3-season ensemble cast epic TV show is going to deliver that. When a character dies, you are not going to feel like a friend you’ve gotten to know after many hours of interaction has died.
But I would argue that ML has a lot more to offer than just viewer building friendship with the characters and feeling profound sense of loss when they depart. It has a very interesting and well constructed world of alternative history, metaphysics, politics, sociology, cultures. Extraordinary set of events that are not completely magical ‘deus ex machina.’
Then you have a cast of characters with distinct personalities and backgrounds, who you can watch reacting and trying to cope with extremely difficult circumstances arising from this world. You don’t necessarily have to feel like they are personal friends to be able to relate to their plights. You just need to have the characters’ situations be plausible and their reactions convincing. In ML story, they do indeed. And in the anime, in my opinion, they do as well.
So you should not expect something that the medium cannot possibly deliver, and if you cannot escape this bias, then should recuse yourself from passing a judgment.
While not perfect, I think the anime stands on its own, has picked up only the necessary elements from the source material. In fact, they should focus screen time on key main characters (Takeru, Yuuko, Kasumi, Sumika, Meiya).
On a completely different note, soundtrack of VN is superior to that of the anime. I hope they use more of the original themes in the next season.
As an anime only (TE and Schawrzesmarken and some TSFIA), I literally couldnt give a shit about episodes 2-8. This show is a lot more enjoyable when the story is more on the war against the BETA and humanity's desperate struggle to exist and far less on the harem / dicking around at base
Unfortunately, Muv-Luv Alternative's purpose is to be the payoff for the dozens of hours of buildup that took place in Extra and Unlimited (eg: the volcano scene was this whole big thing in Unlimited that served as both a showcase of Meiya's character and tied into the themes and philosophical questions the trilogy explores. It was referenced in a single line of monologue in the anime).
Most of what's in the anime is only compelling if you've experienced what came before and I do not believe it's possible to adapt Alternative without at LEAST adapting Unlimited first. Muv-Luv is ultimately about the characters and how they react when thrust into this apocalyptic setting and about Takeru's growth from an immature kid to a dependable war hero (and of course, a big part of that growth happens in Unlimited, which they didn't adapt).
If you get the chance, I would highly recommend trying out the VNs. Pretty much the only saving grace the anime had for me is that there were a handful of scenes that were actually pretty faithfully recreated and were surprisingly good in a vacuum. It's just a shame to see what they did to one of my favorite pieces of media.
@@Adze Honestly, I really don't get why Adapting the Muv Luv Trilogy has never been done before and even less why they are having so much issues adapting it now that they finally got to it. Extra and Unlimited could be done in a single Anime season. Extra being 5-6 episodes and 6-7 for Unlimited (Standard anime season of 12 episodes). Then have Alternative be about 2ish seasons. 30 to 40 episodes. You have series like Jojo with seasons lasting up to 39 episodes, or ones like Higurashi or Attack on Titan that are several seasons of 24 episodes each. So it's not like long series can't be adapted into an anime.
i might have misunderstood the story cuz i only watched the anime, but the reason for the rebels just seemed really fucking stupid, so they killed the president because a bunch of people where put to sleep and moved to safety outside of their will? I also found the action to be the most interesting part, the story was so confusing and i didnt have a clear idea of what was going on most of the time. And it didnt help that majority of the show was just characters talking about stuff i didnt care for or understand. I found ep 9 really good
Yeah, that story beat makes way more sense with context from the Unlimited VN where that scenario was the crux of the philosophical question of ethics vs pragmatism. But since they didn't adapt Unlimited, it holds zero emotional weight in the anime
Also, IIRC it was kind of the straw that broke the camel's back where the rebels viewed the elected government as having systematically betrayed the people and the shogunate.
It was a complex issue that they were unable to adequately explain in 22 minutes. I strongly recommend checking out the VN trilogy. The anime doesn't even hold a candle to it
@@Adze there's also a lot more about this in Teito Moyu that gives even more context about Prime Minister Sakaki and his actions until now. Including stuff with Kei's dad
I don't really like the anime. The VN is amazing
I'll watch the hour long video in a bit but man, did this anime sucked ass. The Muv-luv fanboys will praise this garbage along side the NFT's that they are pushing and it's even getting a season 2? As long as muv-luv is under this dogshit animation studio the series is doomed to have a decent anime adaptation. They should've started from extra instead of skipping all the way to alternative.
I could have potentially understood starting from Unlimited. If they messed with the structure a bit, they could have made that work. But starting from Alternative doomed it from the start.
Though I will say that sadly, it was better than most VN adaptations. That's not saying all that much, but still.
@@Adze I just finished watching your video. To answer your final question; I wouldn't have listened to an hour long review if it wasn't something that I liked and for me personally i have to really like a series to watch an hour long video something like muvluv, mushoku tensei, nitroplus+ VN's, JRPG's that are good. I think generally shorter reviews that are spoiler free should be fine because with this video you've limit your audience to those who has already watched the anime
Nobody is praising this anime lol. Especially not Muv luv fans 😂😭
Muv Luv "fanboys" have been trashing the anime since before it started lol, everyone knew it was gonna be a travesty. Only Kouki was coping at the beginning, and even he lost the will by the mid/end.
They toned it all down, the earlier ip's of Muv-Luv anime, this is like rated E compaired to the A , VN. and the M rated animes. just looking forward to the next VN in the universe.