JOHN DEERE 8850 Kinze Re-Power 4wd Tractor
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- Опубліковано 8 гру 2020
- In this video Big Tractor Power is out in the field with a 450 hp JOHN DEERE JOHN DEERE 8850 Kinze Re-Power 4wd Tractor chisel plowing with a 26ft wide JOHN DEERE 2400 chisel plow. This video shares the sights and sounds of field work in Western Illnois. Viewers will also learn about this tractor's production history, specifications and price tag.
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I put about 500 hours on a 8850 between 1986 - 1990. Another man and I actually picked it up at the John Deere factory in Waterloo. It’s a great tractor and one that I have good memories of operating. I had run a 8630 and there isn’t any comparison. My all time favorite. Thanks for sharing the video. Brought back good memories.
Thank you for watching. The 8850 is a neat tractor to see and operate.
Such a great channel!!! You give all the stats and information of the operation being viewed and with no overriding music. You let the tractor make the music. For that we say Thanks!!!!!
yes, indeed. It saved my evening. I love these V8 diesel engines in tractors. Best regatds from Germany 🇩🇪
Wow that looks really good with those bigger tires. Loved the video!!!
I operated a 8850 at “ John Deere Days” in Hanna , Alberta . They were introducing the nee line of tractors for the coming year and the 8850 was the big thing . I waited my turn and pulled 50’ of chisel plow with sweeps . I was in my glory . I also ran a 4450 with 15 spd powershift that day for the first time and then owned one just line it 10 years later . I was never in a 8850 again . Not too many of them repowered in this part of Canada.
The driver makes it look so smooth , turning that big piece of equipment behind the tractor ! Stay safe ! Bob
Awesome tractor!!! I love John Deere tractors!! Nice video!!!
Love those BIG green tractors.
No big effort no black smoke Cummins all the way mr big tractor you are the man
Very cool!!!👍We need to see your 8850 Jason. Go BTP 💪
Awesome tractor i always liked the 8850 John Deere
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The little bit of extra frame length makes a huge difference in side profile!
Had to be a wee bit longer, one assumes, as a six cylinder engine is longer than a V8 engine.
My cousin had two of the Kinze 8640s. Still has one. They made a good looking pair in the field.
I knew the farmer in Northern Idaho that purchased the last 2 Kinze repower kits to put his 2 8850 tractors. Everytime I go back to Idaho I see 2 8850's in southeastern Idaho at a Coop.
Great video! I live on the Illinois, Missouri, Iowa boarder along the Mississippi. I have found these three states are full of classic iconic farm equipment as well as newer equipment to watch.
What a great find BTP. Great story.
Very nice and accurate breakdown on the flaw of the 8850. When Kinze put that sleeve in it, it cured the problem. By all regards that JD V8 engine was a good engine but when it twists and turns going across ditches and the torque it's going to split the block or cause issues with the engine. The rougher the terrain the quicker it was gonna blow lol
Nice tractors, worked great, and yes i drove an 8850 with an original v8 about 8 years ago in Saskatchewan, Canada.
Thanks for your vids. As an Aussie farmer I am amazed at all the tillage I see on farming vids in the USA. 40 years ago Australia started with no till farming and for the last 20 years it has really become mainstream.🇦🇺👍
I see though plows are making a comeback in your non wetting soils
Adam Kruskama yes you’re right. WA has a lot of very light sand soils that are non wetting in the top layers and delving, clay spreading or inverting seems to improve the problem. This is done as a remedy once every few years. In the eastern states tillage is now nearly non existent with a big focus on maintaining as much ground cover as possible.🇦🇺👍
@@stevenstart8728 notill varies here. Areas with shallow highly erodible soils seem to fair the best from it areas that have higher rain fall or heavier clay soils seems to fair better with some type of tillage to warm the soils in the spring. When I was visiting New Zealand and Australia to farm in the late 90s most of the production focused on cereal grains. Lot less crop residue to deal with than corn. They were doing a tremendous amount of baling of their crop residues which I felt was a shame. Hard to replace that organic material with a pellet. I did like the new hammer mill machines that attach to the rear of the combine to crush weed seeds and keep anything that made it past the combine separator from becoming a volunteer issue. I feel tillage is a tool in the toolbox that has its place. Just like no till. Weeds can’t become resistant to iron. That’s the main reason we still till some of our fields.
That Cummins sounds good
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I like that John deere!🚜
great tractor
Lovely video as always
Go Tractors
You have a nice tractor😁👍 great to see it in action again👍😉
Yeah once you actually look closely at the two tractors you can see how the frame and hood have been lengthened. I bet it makes a big difference in ride and pull on the big girl 👍🚜
I love the old rigs
We had a 8650 repowered by kinze. Very nice job they provide. Ended up with 350 hp but transmission gearing wasn't as good as 8630 version because of torque curve of engine. Found out curve of truck motor is just different than tractor. But i bet could be tinkered to fix. Cost was around 20tho at that time with paint job. Was happy with it all around.
Great Vlog, fantastic tractor
Man that big old JD with that tire combo looks like am absolute beast! I know looks have nothing to do with the functionality of the machine but there's nothing cooler than a articulating tractor with some big old wide tires on it! Also there's nothing better and bad ass than an old JD tractor like a 4440 or 4640 with a big loader on it because imo to me there's nothing sexier than a bad ass loader tractor!
When it's just gotta be BIG. Thanks
Beautiful
Nice video Jason. Looks like that John Deere 2400 digger has some hydraulic problems. The oil is not being sent to the main frame and the wings equally. Could end up doing damage to a nice tiller.
There's nothing wrong with it at all. Two circuits are being used. One for lift and one for fold. All lift cylinders are plumbed together in "parallel". The center frame lift cylinders have to lift the main frame and "half" the hitch. The wing lift cylinders only lift the wings. Less load on the wing cylinders means they lift first and fastest. The main frame "catches up" once the wings are fully raised. The thing folds "in three" for transport. Having the wings "flex" during raising/lowering doesn't "hurt" jack shit. Depth control is by gauge wheels with the lift cylinders in "float" so it CAN "flex" on uneven ground. Not everyone farms table tops and you WANT THE WINGS RAISING FIRST BECAUSE THEY GET THE HIGHEST AND FASTEST TURNING LOADS THAT COULD ACTUALLY "HURT" THAT "DIGGER".
Go back to farming 1/64th scale. You don't know shit about "diggers" in real dirt.
Those things were cool then, still cool now
Awesome Video!!
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Deere made a chassis. Kinze made a tractor out of it.
isnt that the truth
@@thatolivertractorsguy2353 yip lol
Not sure if Deere made a chassis,wasnt it the chassis that was the problem,and then transferred the vibrations to engine,or Block that was weak?Never seen one in reality.
@@claesmansson9070 as far as I'm aware, John Deere attached the engine to the chassis, so that when it flexed, the engine did too, causing head gasket failures, amongst other things.
The Kinze Repower utilised a straight six cylinder Cummins engine in place of the original V8 lump. They also built a sub frame to support the six cylinder unit, and didn't link it directly to the tractor mainframe, as the original set up did.
Good video.
Nice tractor
8850 awesome tractor
V8 sounds nice
Nice👍
Thank you for the thorough background information on this tractor. Any idea of the cost of the repower?
Sick twin tire for the John deer
It’s a beast.
Very nice looking for one for my collection.
Like Like parabéns 👏👏👏👍👍🇧🇷🇧🇷🚜🚜
I'm surprised we haven't seen more repowers. In my neck of the woods for example, old detriots are still running wild everywhere and I'm sure some good old boys and some backyard engineering have put them in just about everything
👍👍. Gotta like a V8 Detriot.
@@bigtractorpower and I was thinking a lot of older gasoline powered tractors would make good detroit conversions. like the Oliver 1800's, I see a lot of them with gas engines and that frame looks like it would be easy to work with. The MM U-302 were all made gas and they are a nice rugged little tractor. maybe a 4-53 would be nice for them.
Still reliable!
bonjour.belle video. tres beau tracteur comme je les aime, quand vous parlez de 37.700livres cela fait en tonnes. congratulations. pierre france. merci encore.
I own a 8850 with Kinze repower in it is my main work horse 450 hp has 12000 hours love to use it looks new Kinze repainted it when the conversion was done conversion cost 28940.00 in 1994
Very cool. Thank you for the price detail. That will be helpful for a future video.
I would like to see those two vintage V8's of yours side by side with rippers or cultivators.
Like a power contest.
My money will be on Big Red!
Maybe in the spring. I want to a comparison video of the 4786 to the 8850.
I thing the 8850 would win because it’s heavier
noiceee
So Jason was that your tractor that was in the video with the original V8 engine? Because if I remember correctly both of your wonderful tractors the JD and IH are quite something because they both have the original V8 engines! Especially the IH because if I remember right it's extremely hard to find a short hood one that hasn't been repowered afterwards right? I do have one question though that have always wondered about but haven't asked before and as long as it isn't to hard to explain over a comment, what exactly is a partial PowerShift? Is that where you still have to use the clutch to start and get going then it's clutchless? Unlike a full PowerShift where you don't have to use the clutch at all?
A partial powershift means that the gears are split up into ranges that aren’t powershifted. You most likely have to stop the tractor to switch ranges, but few exceptions can be shifted on the move using the clutch. A full powershift is straight powershift through each gear in any given direction
@@nellsonstout7001 aww makes sense I was thinking it could gave something to do with the range also. Thank you for explaining.
like the 8850 Kinze Re-Power need one to pull 1/64 Kinze grain cart
Did Kinze a better motor to frame work too (some rubber cushions)?
I think they did. I will have to ask about that. They change the frame for sure.
That's the one thing you guys have over us is bigger 4wd with 3pt, i'm gonna have to come down there to get a good row cropping big tractor.
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Any tractor repowered by a Cummins in-line 6. We swapped out a 903 Cummins in a 900 Versatile for 335 Cummins. A great tractor now!
Cool change over.
Those big tyres are more like what we see here in the UK.
They are good sized tires for sure.
The 84 and 86 - 30 and 40 series had engine problems also . Here in the Pacific north west they up graded to the 50 series engine . Is That your 88 on the ripper ?
Yes that is my 8850 on the 915 😁
Did Kinze add structure to the chassis of the tractor to avoid stressing the Cummins 855's block like the Deere V8 had been? Deere should have been all over that problem sooner, and redesigned the chassis. I have worked for both John Deere and Cummins, and can say their approach to engineering is very conservative in how large their safety factors are.
The re power 8850 has an extended frame re built for the engine and to separate the engine from the frame. The 8960 Sound Gard II replaced the 8850 in 1989 with a new design and 6 cylinder Cummins engine.
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Great video Jason. Do you prefer V8 John Deere engine or 6 cylinders Cummins
I think they are both good. In my book both are cool tractors.
Wonder how much that repower cost
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I’d 6 had the same problem
That’s a cool tractor. I remember the IH 4786 had repowers done too. Not many V8 tractors were made.
The V8s are hard to find. I have a video posted on a re-power IH 4568 at ua-cam.com/video/3KirpW2ngus/v-deo.html and a V8 IH 4786 at ua-cam.com/video/4vDljpEFQoE/v-deo.html
bigtractorpower finding your 4786 in that shape with the DVT-800 was a challenge enough I’m sure, but then you found your 8850 too. Something tells me you’ll do it again...
What is cost per acre for the 8850 while planting with 30 ft planter
I do not know. The 8850 is not the most fuel efficient tractor. Big tillage tractor for sure.
Great video Jason👍 wow I miss them tractors? Not really. They we’re a pain to take the engine out. You had jack up the front of the tractor and roll the front axle out. Sad to see them go. But a nightmare to work on
they showed of been this engine in the first place. they would sold a lot more tractors.
They sold just over 1,700 during a tough ecnomic time. In comparison there just over 2,200 9400s. Over all the 8850 did not do bad.
@@bigtractorpower all I know if I buy a 8850 I would put the 855 Cummins in it right away and take the v8 engine out. Plus than that tractor is worth more money too
So this tractor is powered by the REEEEE of the left?
Ok
I like the repowered version better.
The reposed looks beefier
We had a 8850 with the v8. Good power but after the kinze repower it had way more low end torque. Too bad they discontinued many parts for the 8850
I helped build those Deere V8s. Not one of there better ideas.
We have a JD payloader with the V8. It was actually a very good engine in the wheel loaders. The difference being that the engine was properly isolated on the payloaders. Not so on the tractors.
@@Lrjohnson4543 Shucked quite a few of them before they left the factory. They never were able to achieve the intended power level with any reliability. That and the cost of manufacturing was why it was scrapped. Payloader is pretty light duty compared to a tractor. We had an 844 at the Waterloo Works that spun a main bearing with about 400 hours on it.
@@gonerydin4225 Strange that you spun a bearing at 400 hrs. At the conservative HP that the loaders were set at, they usually last much longer than I'd expect that piece of machinery to with the abuse that loaders take. I always thought that low hp was part of the beauty of the machine. Huge displacement and low hp seems to breed reliability. I never heard that the manufacturing cost was really high. Very interesting.
@@gonerydin4225 I have a question. The engine in our loader is green in contrast to the construction yellow of the rest of the machine. Was the engine green from factory? I always heard that they never bothered to paint them to match.
@@Lrjohnson4543 They were all green when they left the Engine Works. Peak production was only 2/day. Towards the end, only 2/week. Cost per unit was high because several million dollars worth of proprietary machines and equipment were purchased to build one engine model. I don't know how many were actually produced, but it wasn't many. Could not compete with equivalent high volume engines from CAT & Cummins.
I’m very sorry to tell you that I won’t be able to watch your videos anymore. I’m not going to use UA-cam anymore because of their censorship. I hope you’ll consider moving to another alternative. I’ve really enjoyed your videoed.
AAah the wiper the back is near to fall of on the original JD! Tell them please. This W-8 from JD does not scream like others, isn't it? That's why myself like six cylinder more than eighth.
The V8 8850 is my tractor. Not sure what happened to the whiper blade. I have a new one to put on.
@@bigtractorpower thx for info and glad to her all is fine👍ever a hand thick diesel in your tanks is my wish!
My cousin had an 8850 on his farm where I used to help out. They destroyed it to get the government money on a new 4 wheel drive with government juice. It still had the JD V8 engine.
That is sad to hear but the reality is those programs make where you can’t pass up a new machine.
@@bigtractorpower the funny thing was that they bought a red tractor. They have since traded it for a green one.
I'd be willing to bet that the Cummins pulled better and is more fuel efficient.
I don't understand why some farmers 'rip' the soil with tillers and some don't do anything other than run a device over the old stuff to cut it up. Is it dirt type? Farmer preference? I just don't understand. I do understand it's to kill compaction so how can 'no-til' farmers do what they do?
It is based on soil type, climate, crop rotation. Preference is also a key factor. No Till is good. It just depends on what the farm wants to do.
@@bigtractorpower thanks for your reply.
Just proof you should have bought a Steiger or Versatile in the first place.
John Deere really gained in 4wd market share when the 9400 was released
Steiger and versatile are junk
@@PrestigeWorldWidePWW I have operated a lot of junk then. Had a good time doing it.
Cummins engined John Deere? Well, there's a thing
The 8960 and 8970 were built with Cummins engines.
@@danielflint77808850 hade v8
Looks good and sounds good but take that stupid Chrome pipe an cover off the side of it.
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