Joscha Bach is such an eloquent speaker; a voice of reason and clarity. I can't get enough of his explanations as he has the ability to break things down in ways that make sense. Even if I don't always fully understand them, intuitively I feel that he's onto something. I wish he could serve as an advisor to many institutions! What sets Joscha Bach apart from other intellectuals is his vast understanding of various subjects and particularly his unique ability to connect them, almost like an art form, it's very special.
He can't have said 'um' more than a handful of times in almost 2 hours of rapid-fire high conceptual density talking. Joscha spent so much time thinking about LLMs he metamorphosed into one
This is so great. I'm left with only wanting more. Vance you elicit such great approachable answers from Joscha -- you sort of level him more toward the "common" conception of discourse (not as meta), which is a great option to have as an audience member (though his other interviews are obviously fantastic as well). Vance, your intelligence comes across quite purely (is quite evident) in your parts even as you say (repeatedly) your mind is 'blown". Kudos!
This was my favorite Joscha interview! I love the range of conversation, the r metaphysics weaving into the creative processes and your style of interview is endearing and brings a great spirit to some cutting edge insights unfolding. Thank you for this major gift.
He has it’s called “Principles of Synthetic Intelligence” but be warned it is not for the non-technically inclined. You’d be better off having a computer science background to really understand what it’s about
47:54 “Our brain working at the speed of sound” wouldn’t be the most profound gauge an AI would evaluate a human by, from a systems perspective it would be the coherence of waveforms across the complex system that is our biology & environment, or it would be the evaluation of how humans have developed atemporal cognition. One of the many significances of laughter or humor (58:30) is that it causes instances of widespread coherences. We are overwhelmed and thus our whole body is moved. 1:00:00 Emotion is also origin of linear type motion. The absolute binary of emotion could be understood as the baseline valence, ie. Non-conscious noise vs conscious signal. Prior to this distinction, or before conscious awareness there is no linear motion, there is only rotation, expansion, compression. Notice how emotion is, E-motion. Direct, linear or rectilinear motion is unique to consciousness, and a product of emotions, it was allows us to point, ie. THAT…and not THAT. Emotion is possible because of coherence of the 3 body system, or rather it’s the possible integral (and the coherence of integrals) of signal/sense and inference/thought. The more complex you make the barrier between AI and environment, the more possible emotion becomes. Emotion is the “body” of human consciousness in the field of the absolute ‘space of reality’ (if you wana call it quantum or w/e). There is a reason the electromagnetic field of the heart is far stronger than that of the brain. The heart is also much hotter, it needs to understand the boundary of self and other.
I love Joscha Bach I adore this man for reasons I am unable to properly pronounce. So “love” is a broken word and understatement. Thank you for this interview:) Take care Jeremy
19:09 I LOVE THIS... reminds me of cognitive behavioral therapy.. our brains- like LLMs - hallucinate sometimes and we need to observe the output/thoughts
Thank you for asking questions about things other than AI. I love hearing Joscha talk about AI as well but obviously most interviews with him are on this topic and hearing him talk about nature, spirituality, art, music and film is incredible too.
you ~can because "thinking" is learnable.. the brain is actually like a muscle and trainable (neuroplasticity) the reason that "deep thinking" seems such a rare (& done by "gifted" individuals, "geniuses" only.. "don't even try..." ) which is especially evident all over pop-culture etc.. is because most brains are fed with utter trash 24/7.. ..where thought processes and their habits are conditioned/cultivated on top of bio-psycho-social contradictions (sold as "normalcy") and is therefore continuously busy trying to cope/suppress to maintain basic functionality.
You're one of the best interviewers of my favorite intellectual, Joscha! May I suggest to make your voice and the voice of the interviewee closer to each other in volume? It's not hard to do on the technical side and would improve the listening experience manifold 🙏
I will take that feedback about the sound. I was so excited to publish it, I should have put more time into that. Thank you for the compliment- interviewing Joscha is an honor- I look forward to it for months!
1:34:51 it's like an F5 on the keyboard. It resets short term made neurological connections, more forgetful, easier amused. i think my logic is off a little but the sentiment is sound here.
For me, cannabis turns loneliness into solitude. I don’t feel especially sad or frustrated by playing video games and watching entertainment and eduction on UA-cam. It also does allow me to focus and think deeply about things, maybe, it’s hard to know that what you’re doing on THC, wouldn’t be happening without it. It can also help me to feel more synonymous with the media I’m consuming, I feel more immersed in the game, more sucked into the movie, but it also push me out and back into my own head with fractaling thoughts spinning off something that I just observed
The problem with it is that you get desensitized to comfort, and slowly but surely over months the perceived exerted effort of other tasks/duties starts to creep up very subtly. Wouldnt be suprised if it fries your dopamine receptors or at least highten inhibitory synapse signal molecules after prolonged use
Weed turned me into a lazy unmotivated videogamer in my 30s. Thankfully I quit by 38, im 52 now & my friends that are still heavy potheads have the dullest lives (overweight, homebodies, few hobbies) Maybe they are content (?) but they have lost their motivation to do things & are simply dull; They lost their spark
Nothing regular exercise and meditation cannot do better. Objectively you are just gradually dissolving into the abstract, but not that coherent. So basically you just kill parts of you that you are unable to integrate naturally.
1:15:30 individual agents that prevent us from lying to ourselves and allow us to enter into contracts much more deeply. This is exactly what I've been thinking about for months, I completely in distraction
I say this about autism or people with Asperger's (1:18:10) We have normalised the high level of noise and environmental distractions. This kind of pollution is not good for anyone. They communicate on other levels and if people are capable of tuning into that place without the dogma of someone else's version of trauma from childhood, or woo woo then the non local or place of no time can be a good therapeutic practice to connect with the child through the bonding of their soul to person.
I have weird form of synesthesia, which I haven't seen discussed. I when I look at railings or fences, the frequency of spatial repetition gets mapped to different colors
No matter how intelligent or insightful one is people still find something to complain about . I'm quite curious how people like that end up finding these channels . Always judging go watch judge Judy save your rude remarks for your mother . If this upsets anyone I'm not sorry this was fantastic. Thankyou !
@@VanceCrowePodcast Not CCW6869, but I'm listening to this for the 3rd time and reading the commentary. My humble take is that 1. you give him the space to talk about the things he wants to talk about, meaning you're not dominating the discussion with narrow questions or interpretations or interruptions, and 2. and he feels comfortable opening up. This wouldn't work for everyone, but Joscha is perfectly capable of providing structure to his own discourse or thought train, so it really works here.
@@VanceCrowePodcast I like that he explain what he think about the religious structure, about our minds, drugs effects, autism, etc. Otherwise I think it's the calm and open atmosphere, just enought questions, but mostly time to let him expand on his perspectives that are unique.
Joscha's Evolutionary worldview narrows his mind, and he's caught in a loop he can never escape. He is always learning but never comes to knowledge or the power of God.
Tickling happens on the boundary of trust and an involuntary reaction of self protection. Humour happens at the boundary of expectations and an involuntary reaction to a perspective shift. Both involve becoming aware of a boundary and it's dynamics.
One thing he and I have in common is the inability to see any mental images as a result of aphantasia, but you can understand conceptual ideas without having to see them.
1:18:00 Joscha may not believe he meets the criteria for autism, but he continues to describe his childhood experience as exactly that experienced by an undiagnosed high-functioning autist. I was the same for years, only being finally diagnosed after 40.
Is it not possible to make adjustments post-production in the relative sound levels? Or is there a reason why Vance should be about 10 db louder than Joscha? It's a distraction or an annoyance to have to continually make adjustments. But it does not negate the immense value of the discussion. (What does Joscha say at about 7:13 or so?)
Joscha’s mind is expanding definitely hypersonic; he’s on constant super cruise and does not even need his afterburner. 😂 I used to think: Lex Fridman for President of the world. - Now I think: Joscha Bach to hover over the substrate. 😂
this narrative is exceptionally precise, in my opinion. i call that 2 brain systems "me1" (the qualia generating shell), and me2(the pilot) for simplicity. this naming convention resembles Kanneman's system1 and system2, though i did not find his description relevant at the time of reading. the shell,me1, for example, is functionally responsible for night dream content generation, including generating and driving the perceived actors in a dream (other people and animals). me2 (the "i") is stupid and smart at the same time and can sometimes generate reverse lucid dreams that can impress me1. it is an alarming fact that those systems are frequently considered not to be physical. our species' architectural systemic bug is that these two systems may fall into the expectations of immortality and hence disbelief in death.("afterlife" bug). it apparently comes from the fact that death expectation might (and should, initially) cause severe emotional damage, and to avoid the loop of generating unavoidable fear, this complex gets corrupted via getting rid of the baseline foundation loop expectation of death and that's how the survival instinct is undermined 😮
We are in a dark age of too many people being afraid of thinking for themselves. I can usually read the group quite well, I just prefer to think for myself. Although, I am an idiot in some ways. I can't just watch others do things & pick up on how to do it. I have to teach myself how to do the task in those cases. Sometimes I far exceed others using my own crazy self created & refined method. However, I usually come across as awkward, impaired, & buffoonish using what appears to others to be no technique at all. If this is regarding a competition such as in sports I'll end up surprisingly kicking their butts. Not infrequently the other person will walk away with cognitive dissonance, believing they lost due to some irrational, unexplainable, & nonrepeatable circumstance.
Not sure about Joscha argument that if an advanced AI running very fast would question our sentience. It would know us by our artifacts and literature unless it just arrived on the scene. its hard to believe that anything ok higher intelligence would miss such signals even if it is outside its normal metaphysical ontology
「人間に流れる二つの情報系統」note 分子担体情報と電子担体情報。その移行の過渡期の状態が、「人間は理性的動物である」という、古来からの定義に示されていると思います。 “Two information systems flowing in humans” (note) Molecular carrier information and electronic carrier information. I believe that the transitional state of their shift is indicated in the ancient definition that “humans are rational animals”.
29:28.5 I think the practice of child sacrifice developed as a preferred solution when the alternative was a growing population and eventual degradation of the environment (and/or war with neighboring tribes). There was no reliable birth control, and there was no reliable exhortation that would consistently cause people to stop having sex. Eventually, agriculture increased food supply enough and institutions became strong and influential enough that sex outside of a stable, monogamous marriage became rare enough (perhaps) to make discontinuation of that custom a realistic possibility. But this understanding of the origin of child sacrifice does not negate the interpretation offered here about how child sacrifice ended.
In the case of the Bible it's a symbol. Are you willing to sacrifice even your child to truth and love? If yes, then you don't have to. Many mother cannot and thus they destroy their child by over protecting them, by shielding them from the harsh truths.
Parenting is alignment with a gradual loosening of the restraints. The 11 year old analogy is worth thinking about as some parents don't get the loosening process right or align their children to naive or distorted worldviews, and many humans arrive into adulthood with underdeveloped parts. The extreme proponents and critics of alignment likely both have some of this underdevelopment trauma and both think the problem is on the other side and characterize that other side as a strawperson version of the other extreme. Middle path folks, please.
Hi Vance, great interview, great guest, good questions... HOWEVER!!!! You regard yourself as at least a semi-professional podcaster right? Then why on earth is your voice 2-3 decibel louder than that of your guest? I was listening to the podcast while riding a bike and everytime you opened your mouth it was HELL FOR MY EARS! Turning the volume down was not possible, because Joscha would have become inaudible. PLEASE pay some attention to your tech, not just to the awesomness of your guest.
@@Merriwether-w8k I actually have talked to Joscha about Dr. Peterson personally before. Besides what he said about him publicly does not change anything about my opinion that a conversion between the two would be very interesting nor does it make your comments less silly
@@QKThr69 If you have watched Joscha extensively then you would know he is not above taking shots at people - for example tenured professors whom he disagrees with - he has a sense of humor - unlike you - your superior attitude makes me puke -
Not only they purposefully designed crazy details of the Bible; everything's been stemming from at least 8 centuries of cross-cultural discourses and only a few metaphysical designs. Ask those who have knowledge, like me
Humans and other mammals and birds have emotions, because they need to take care of their youngs, which requires care and love so that the offsprings can survive at very young age. While cold-blooded animals and insects do not need their parents to take care of to get grown up, so they don't need love and care.
Bach's exegesis of Genesis would be far more interesting (and possibly require revision) if he would accompany it with the same for Revelation. The beginning. The end. The end.
Man i wish i had more deviant friends. Almost half are, but still, the energy it takes to blend in so as not to offend or embarrass people you care about who care about fitting in is really hard. Or listen when they get excited about reality tv or marvel movies lol then they bring up a sensitive subject and I'm the jerk for finally engaging with gusto. Especially growing up in the church, even though they were accepting it was constant optics, and correction, and just hiding anything meaningful for the sake of pleasantries.
If you replace God by a principle ex: truth and love then the sacrifice make sense. Are you willing to sacrifice yourself to truth? We do it all the time when we tell the truth even when it's not to our profit. I want a Jordan Peterson / Joscha Back interview.
When individuals or societies become aware of new perspectives it takes time for them to integrate the new information to develop relevant insights. It is an inherently messy process, and just because things sometimes get worse before they get better does not in any way suggest the new perspective is not valid and needed for real progress.
OMG: There are millions of esoteric hours discussing these obscure theories, going round and round. The bottom line: humans ultimate desire to be happy . Someone please show how! OMG! I just got to the 1.00 mark, sorry Joscha!
Another observation, rather than not going on social media when high on weed, it’s that when I’m high on weed, I cringe at the sober me that’s been active on social media all day. I don’t relate to him, I feel like a different calibration of “me” one that wouldn’t have done and said what I did. I feel this is a big part of “weed paranoia”, it’s another version of you being able to judge the default mode version of you, and it is appropriately appalled by some aspects of our lives
Take a break from weed and you'll probably notice that the reason you're cringing at your sober self is because your sober self was actually experiencing minor withdrawal effects and being cranky.
What is called AI, is programmed Consciousness, in technical, digital, ways. A book is also programmed Consciousness, Frozen Memory, could be more or less intelligent. Even artificial, still got some relevance, there is often better or more correct words. That a 'canal' become a artificial river, and so on, is infected by the smart illiteracy, (AI) it just sound so smart. Superstition and Illiteracy is Low-intelligent. Our Eyes is organic, cameras-eyes is ceramic, mineral..
Josha literally changed my life
Many such cases.
Joscha Bach is such an eloquent speaker; a voice of reason and clarity. I can't get enough of his explanations as he has the ability to break things down in ways that make sense. Even if I don't always fully understand them, intuitively I feel that he's onto something. I wish he could serve as an advisor to many institutions!
What sets Joscha Bach apart from other intellectuals is his vast understanding of various subjects and particularly his unique ability to connect them, almost like an art form, it's very special.
Joscha is one of the few humans that AI will be impressed by
Almost 🙊🙉🙈👀ツ
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Hopefully
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What an amazing comment. 👍
Only 17 minutes into listening, and its disarming how profound and eye-opening these ideas are. Thanks Joscha and Vance for sharing this!
59:53 59:53
Wild right!? That is excatly what i was thinking!!!!!!!
He can't have said 'um' more than a handful of times in almost 2 hours of rapid-fire high conceptual density talking. Joscha spent so much time thinking about LLMs he metamorphosed into one
Lots of startling insights here. What a unique and original mind. I feel like Ive been pushed to one side of myself.
This is so great. I'm left with only wanting more. Vance you elicit such great approachable answers from Joscha -- you sort of level him more toward the "common" conception of discourse (not as meta), which is a great option to have as an audience member (though his other interviews are obviously fantastic as well). Vance, your intelligence comes across quite purely (is quite evident) in your parts even as you say (repeatedly) your mind is 'blown". Kudos!
This really makes me feel great- so I will listen to that emotion and do more of that! Thank you for taking the time to say something so nice.
This was my favorite Joscha interview! I love the range of conversation, the r metaphysics weaving into the creative processes and your style of interview is endearing and brings a great spirit to some cutting edge insights unfolding. Thank you for this major gift.
Dr. Joscha Bach! Truly, always a pleasure!!
He really needs to publish a book. He has a very eloquent in yet simple way of explaining concepts
He has it’s called “Principles of Synthetic Intelligence” but be warned it is not for the non-technically inclined. You’d be better off having a computer science background to really understand what it’s about
@@DEBO5 also psychology background lol, or at least a dictionary with you
@@nickm.4274 yea I was stopping every 5 seconds to google the meaning of a word when I first picked it up lol
47:54 “Our brain working at the speed of sound” wouldn’t be the most profound gauge an AI would evaluate a human by, from a systems perspective it would be the coherence of waveforms across the complex system that is our biology & environment, or it would be the evaluation of how humans have developed atemporal cognition.
One of the many significances of laughter or humor (58:30) is that it causes instances of widespread coherences. We are overwhelmed and thus our whole body is moved.
1:00:00 Emotion is also origin of linear type motion. The absolute binary of emotion could be understood as the baseline valence, ie. Non-conscious noise vs conscious signal. Prior to this distinction, or before conscious awareness there is no linear motion, there is only rotation, expansion, compression. Notice how emotion is, E-motion. Direct, linear or rectilinear motion is unique to consciousness, and a product of emotions, it was allows us to point, ie. THAT…and not THAT. Emotion is possible because of coherence of the 3 body system, or rather it’s the possible integral (and the coherence of integrals) of signal/sense and inference/thought. The more complex you make the barrier between AI and environment, the more possible emotion becomes. Emotion is the “body” of human consciousness in the field of the absolute ‘space of reality’ (if you wana call it quantum or w/e). There is a reason the electromagnetic field of the heart is far stronger than that of the brain. The heart is also much hotter, it needs to understand the boundary of self and other.
I love Joscha Bach
I adore this man for reasons I am unable to properly pronounce.
So “love” is a broken word and understatement.
Thank you for this interview:)
Take care
Jeremy
Can you expand on the love is a ‘broken word’ part
@@raresmircea
Hi
You tube is attempting to stop me from reaching you
This is unwise
Love is a duality
It is a powerful “feeling”
that surpasses understanding
19:09 I LOVE THIS... reminds me of cognitive behavioral therapy.. our brains- like LLMs - hallucinate sometimes and we need to observe the output/thoughts
Thank you for asking questions about things other than AI. I love hearing Joscha talk about AI as well but obviously most interviews with him are on this topic and hearing him talk about nature, spirituality, art, music and film is incredible too.
Most interesting thoughts I’ve heard strung together in 2 hours in a long time! Love this content!!
Joscha makes Sunday school more interesting than when I was there
ikr.
I wish he would start a "religion." I'd listen to him every Sunday. 😉
This is one of my favourite discussions with Joscha. I keep coming back to the ideas he shares in this one
This guy's brain man. Wish I could think at half the value Joscha does
you ~can because "thinking" is learnable.. the brain is actually like a muscle and trainable (neuroplasticity)
the reason that "deep thinking" seems such a rare (& done by "gifted" individuals, "geniuses" only.. "don't even try..." ) which is especially evident all over pop-culture etc.. is because most brains are fed with utter trash 24/7..
..where thought processes and their habits are conditioned/cultivated on top of bio-psycho-social contradictions (sold as "normalcy") and is therefore continuously busy trying to cope/suppress to maintain basic functionality.
The insights he casually spits out are incredible. 'You're melting my brain' is the most appropriate reaction.
It’s all I could say!
Fun talk. Thanks. I appreciate finally hearing someone talk about the ancient minds as being rational but with limited info.
There are many Joscha Bachs in the world with a sense of not settling for what is presented but digging for more.
You're one of the best interviewers of my favorite intellectual, Joscha!
May I suggest to make your voice and the voice of the interviewee closer to each other in volume? It's not hard to do on the technical side and would improve the listening experience manifold 🙏
I will take that feedback about the sound. I was so excited to publish it, I should have put more time into that. Thank you for the compliment- interviewing Joscha is an honor- I look forward to it for months!
Thank you for this interview. It's peak entertainment for me!
mannnnn Joscha getting more and more on Biblical comparisons - this is gonna be a nuts pod
I love this man's way of expressing ideas and conceptualizing problems.
1:34:51 it's like an F5 on the keyboard. It resets short term made neurological connections, more forgetful, easier amused. i think my logic is off a little but the sentiment is sound here.
For me, cannabis turns loneliness into solitude. I don’t feel especially sad or frustrated by playing video games and watching entertainment and eduction on UA-cam. It also does allow me to focus and think deeply about things, maybe, it’s hard to know that what you’re doing on THC, wouldn’t be happening without it. It can also help me to feel more synonymous with the media I’m consuming, I feel more immersed in the game, more sucked into the movie, but it also push me out and back into my own head with fractaling thoughts spinning off something that I just observed
The problem with it is that you get desensitized to comfort, and slowly but surely over months the perceived exerted effort of other tasks/duties starts to creep up very subtly. Wouldnt be suprised if it fries your dopamine receptors or at least highten inhibitory synapse signal molecules after prolonged use
THC makes boredom bearable and induces sloth. Be careful about using it a lot.
Weed turned me into a lazy unmotivated videogamer in my 30s. Thankfully I quit by 38, im 52 now & my friends that are still heavy potheads have the dullest lives (overweight, homebodies, few hobbies) Maybe they are content (?) but they have lost their motivation to do things & are simply dull; They lost their spark
@@siddg1463 Yes. It makes boredom bearable and induces sloth.
Nothing regular exercise and meditation cannot do better. Objectively you are just gradually dissolving into the abstract, but not that coherent. So basically you just kill parts of you that you are unable to integrate naturally.
Joscha Bach is the man
1:15:30 individual agents that prevent us from lying to ourselves and allow us to enter into contracts much more deeply. This is exactly what I've been thinking about for months, I completely in distraction
I say this about autism or people with Asperger's (1:18:10) We have normalised the high level of noise and environmental distractions. This kind of pollution is not good for anyone. They communicate on other levels and if people are capable of tuning into that place without the dogma of someone else's version of trauma from childhood, or woo woo then the non local or place of no time can be a good therapeutic practice to connect with the child through the bonding of their soul to person.
Beautifully said
Joscha Bach thank you for interesting conversations. ❤ where can I find a man like Joscha haha 🥰🥰🥰🥰
you can't he is the only one! 😬
I have weird form of synesthesia, which I haven't seen discussed. I when I look at railings or fences, the frequency of spatial repetition gets mapped to different colors
Nice interview
Love 💗this talk and the reactions!
No matter how intelligent or insightful one is people still find something to complain about . I'm quite curious how people like that end up finding these channels . Always judging go watch judge Judy save your rude remarks for your mother . If this upsets anyone I'm not sorry this was fantastic. Thankyou !
Of all interviews of Joscha I've watched, yours are the best.
Thanks that makes me feel good! Can I ask what makes them different?
@@VanceCrowePodcast Not CCW6869, but I'm listening to this for the 3rd time and reading the commentary.
My humble take is that 1. you give him the space to talk about the things he wants to talk about, meaning you're not dominating the discussion with narrow questions or interpretations or interruptions, and 2. and he feels comfortable opening up.
This wouldn't work for everyone, but Joscha is perfectly capable of providing structure to his own discourse or thought train, so it really works here.
@@VanceCrowePodcast I like that he explain what he think about the religious structure, about our minds, drugs effects, autism, etc.
Otherwise I think it's the calm and open atmosphere, just enought questions, but mostly time to let him expand on his perspectives that are unique.
@@alexforget I really value this feedback, thank you.
Why is the hosts audio so much louder than the guests?
Sbould have used an audio compressor tool. Diffetence in volume is quite something. Apart from that, fascinating conversation as always.
what kind of headphones is Joscha wearing?
Joscha's Evolutionary worldview narrows his mind, and he's caught in a loop he can never escape. He is always learning but never comes to knowledge or the power of God.
Could the 3rd dimension relate to the Tower of Babel?
This is so fucking good! Joschy is so fascinating to listen to.
56:00 Once we know others intentions you know everything. You do not need to know their thoughts or all possible histories. Just their intent.
Tickling happens on the boundary of trust and an involuntary reaction of self protection. Humour happens at the boundary of expectations and an involuntary reaction to a perspective shift. Both involve becoming aware of a boundary and it's dynamics.
One thing he and I have in common is the inability to see any mental images as a result of aphantasia, but you can understand conceptual ideas without having to see them.
1:18:00 Joscha may not believe he meets the criteria for autism, but he continues to describe his childhood experience as exactly that experienced by an undiagnosed high-functioning autist. I was the same for years, only being finally diagnosed after 40.
There are a few polymaths I know of, he is one
Cuz we feel like having them
Joscha is Bachhh! Suuup!!
in what way is he related to JS Bach?
Great great great grandfather?
Is it not possible to make adjustments post-production in the relative sound levels? Or is there a reason why Vance should be about 10 db louder than Joscha?
It's a distraction or an annoyance to have to continually make adjustments. But it does not negate the immense value of the discussion. (What does Joscha say at about 7:13 or so?)
I really love this man :)
He is truly extraordinary.
Joscha’s mind is expanding definitely hypersonic; he’s on constant super cruise and does not even need his afterburner. 😂
I used to think: Lex Fridman for President of the world. - Now I think: Joscha Bach to hover over the substrate. 😂
…lex fridman? Bro is a dumbass and a foreign agent
Great interview but please fix the audio - your voice is MUCH louder than Joshua's which makes this a difficult listen.
or he should at least edit the closed captioning so I can at least read the discourse
What would JB do?
What’s the word at 7:15?
this narrative is exceptionally precise, in my opinion. i call that 2 brain systems "me1" (the qualia generating shell), and me2(the pilot) for simplicity. this naming convention resembles Kanneman's system1 and system2, though i did not find his description relevant at the time of reading. the shell,me1, for example, is functionally responsible for night dream content generation, including generating and driving the perceived actors in a dream (other people and animals). me2 (the "i") is stupid and smart at the same time and can sometimes generate reverse lucid dreams that can impress me1.
it is an alarming fact that those systems are frequently considered not to be physical.
our species' architectural systemic bug is that these two systems may fall into the expectations of immortality and hence disbelief in death.("afterlife" bug). it apparently comes from the fact that death expectation might (and should, initially) cause severe emotional damage, and to avoid the loop of generating unavoidable fear, this complex gets corrupted via getting rid of the baseline foundation loop expectation of death and that's how the survival instinct is undermined 😮
audio levels are a bit off between the two
We are in a dark age of too many people being afraid of thinking for themselves. I can usually read the group quite well, I just prefer to think for myself.
Although, I am an idiot in some ways. I can't just watch others do things & pick up on how to do it. I have to teach myself how to do the task in those cases. Sometimes I far exceed others using my own crazy self created & refined method. However, I usually come across as awkward, impaired, & buffoonish using what appears to others to be no technique at all. If this is regarding a competition such as in sports I'll end up surprisingly kicking their butts. Not infrequently the other person will walk away with cognitive dissonance, believing they lost due to some irrational, unexplainable, & nonrepeatable circumstance.
Can AI function on a foundation of infinite equation?
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vance is too loud relative to joscha. great eposide though
I hear this- it’s my mistake I apologize
Not sure about Joscha argument that if an advanced AI running very fast would question our sentience. It would know us by our artifacts and literature unless it just arrived on the scene. its hard to believe that anything ok higher intelligence would miss such signals even if it is outside its normal metaphysical ontology
Like @evanboris7673 said, you are the best podcast host for Joscha's style. Thanks!
That really means a lot to me. Thank you!
「人間に流れる二つの情報系統」note
分子担体情報と電子担体情報。その移行の過渡期の状態が、「人間は理性的動物である」という、古来からの定義に示されていると思います。
“Two information systems flowing in humans” (note)
Molecular carrier information and electronic carrier information. I believe that the transitional state of their shift is indicated in the ancient definition that “humans are rational animals”.
Yesssss....and a sub
JOSCHA WTF MY IS BLOWN AND CAN'T RECONFIGURE ITSELF - HE EVEN TALKS ABOUT THE SACRIFICES OF ABRAHAM BECAUSE THE TRIBAL IDENTITY IS MORE IMPORTANT
29:28.5 I think the practice of child sacrifice developed as a preferred solution when the alternative was a growing population and eventual degradation of the environment (and/or war with neighboring tribes). There was no reliable birth control, and there was no reliable exhortation that would consistently cause people to stop having sex. Eventually, agriculture increased food supply enough and institutions became strong and influential enough that sex outside of a stable, monogamous marriage became rare enough (perhaps) to make discontinuation of that custom a realistic possibility. But this understanding of the origin of child sacrifice does not negate the interpretation offered here about how child sacrifice ended.
In the case of the Bible it's a symbol.
Are you willing to sacrifice even your child to truth and love? If yes, then you don't have to.
Many mother cannot and thus they destroy their child by over protecting them, by shielding them from the harsh truths.
Parenting is alignment with a gradual loosening of the restraints. The 11 year old analogy is worth thinking about as some parents don't get the loosening process right or align their children to naive or distorted worldviews, and many humans arrive into adulthood with underdeveloped parts. The extreme proponents and critics of alignment likely both have some of this underdevelopment trauma and both think the problem is on the other side and characterize that other side as a strawperson version of the other extreme. Middle path folks, please.
The number of ads was absolutely ridiculous. Really disrupting.
1:28:58, 1:31:23 (Cannabis vs Alcohol)
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Surely human history is a deal older than Plato or Aristotle surmised? 🤔("Green Fire", geoff nelson hill, bookshops UK/US )🌈🦉
And Jesus the Essene led the way from Empires toward personal individual authenticity - and be damned! 😊
Hi Vance, great interview, great guest, good questions... HOWEVER!!!! You regard yourself as at least a semi-professional podcaster right? Then why on earth is your voice 2-3 decibel louder than that of your guest? I was listening to the podcast while riding a bike and everytime you opened your mouth it was HELL FOR MY EARS! Turning the volume down was not possible, because Joscha would have become inaudible. PLEASE pay some attention to your tech, not just to the awesomness of your guest.
It was a major mistake and I won’t do it again
@@VanceCrowePodcast Great to know that you take feedback seriously :-) Thanks for the reply.
A conversation between Joscha and Jordan Peterson would be very interesting. Let's try to make it happen pls
Joscha would destroy that hack - he already said he thinks JP is miserable
@@Merriwether-w8k Joscha has no interest in "destroying" anyone and I'm pretty sure he would find your comment to be very childish
@@QKThr69 lol - look up what he says about JP
@@Merriwether-w8k I actually have talked to Joscha about Dr. Peterson personally before. Besides what he said about him publicly does not change anything about my opinion that a conversion between the two would be very interesting nor does it make your comments less silly
@@QKThr69 If you have watched Joscha extensively then you would know he is not above taking shots at people - for example tenured professors whom he disagrees with - he has a sense of humor - unlike you - your superior attitude makes me puke -
17:40 lol
@1:00:00 God is pressure.
I think a week is seven days because the moon orbits ~4*7=28 days and earth rotates 7*52 weeks = 364 days ~365.25 days
The outer mind chooses all your own actions. It’s been training your whole life for the role.
If you engineer a script for stability through the empire, the journey from purity to motherhood must have instruction and warning.
Marijuana thc to distract wildlife from the predators during a wildfire and become fertilizer.
Not only they purposefully designed crazy details of the Bible; everything's been stemming from at least 8 centuries of cross-cultural discourses and only a few metaphysical designs. Ask those who have knowledge, like me
Humans and other mammals and birds have emotions, because they need to take care of their youngs, which requires care and love so that the offsprings can survive at very young age. While cold-blooded animals and insects do not need their parents to take care of to get grown up, so they don't need love and care.
woah... that is interesting!
Instincts.
Vance, please turn your mike down. Give the guest the spotlight.
So, are we the fungi?
I would ❤ to hear Jordan Peterson talk to Joscha Bach.
Josha doesn't think much of him - he said so - Lex Fridman podcast I think
Two flavours of aphantasia - if he can hear his own voice in his head then he's talking about partial aphantasia
The end xD
what did you like about it?
Bach's exegesis of Genesis would be far more interesting (and possibly require revision) if he would accompany it with the same for Revelation. The beginning. The end.
The end.
Man i wish i had more deviant friends. Almost half are, but still, the energy it takes to blend in so as not to offend or embarrass people you care about who care about fitting in is really hard. Or listen when they get excited about reality tv or marvel movies lol then they bring up a sensitive subject and I'm the jerk for finally engaging with gusto.
Especially growing up in the church, even though they were accepting it was constant optics, and correction, and just hiding anything meaningful for the sake of pleasantries.
The entity named Joscha Bach is the shit
If you replace God by a principle ex: truth and love then the sacrifice make sense.
Are you willing to sacrifice yourself to truth? We do it all the time when we tell the truth even when it's not to our profit.
I want a Jordan Peterson / Joscha Back interview.
I enjoy both of them, but I wonder if JBP would create enough space for Joscha to lay out his thoughts...
When individuals or societies become aware of new perspectives it takes time for them to integrate the new information to develop relevant insights. It is an inherently messy process, and just because things sometimes get worse before they get better does not in any way suggest the new perspective is not valid and needed for real progress.
This is similar to Taoist explanation of the universe.
How so?
Joshua bach is an absolute genius
It's too bad soo many people are mad with secular values and short sighted irrelevance
more edifying than ~22 years * ~2 hrs/wk * 52 wk/yr =~ 2,288 hrs in church
Wow, he's a functional version of me lol
OMG: There are millions of esoteric hours discussing these obscure theories, going round and round.
The bottom line: humans ultimate desire to be happy .
Someone please show how!
OMG! I just got to the 1.00 mark, sorry Joscha!
This is completely untrue and I don’t know why fans are bending over backwards to act like Sukuna is a better person than Gojo
Another observation, rather than not going on social media when high on weed, it’s that when I’m high on weed, I cringe at the sober me that’s been active on social media all day. I don’t relate to him, I feel like a different calibration of “me” one that wouldn’t have done and said what I did. I feel this is a big part of “weed paranoia”, it’s another version of you being able to judge the default mode version of you, and it is appropriately appalled by some aspects of our lives
Take a break from weed and you'll probably notice that the reason you're cringing at your sober self is because your sober self was actually experiencing minor withdrawal effects and being cranky.
Life is Eternal,
Feeling is Eternal,
emotions is Life-side of Feeling.
AI is superstition and illiteracy,
Intelligence, can Never be artificial.
Is there really such a thing as artifice?
What is called AI, is programmed Consciousness, in technical, digital,
ways. A book is also programmed Consciousness, Frozen Memory,
could be more or less intelligent.
Even artificial, still got some relevance,
there is often better or more correct words.
That a 'canal' become a artificial river,
and so on, is infected by the smart illiteracy, (AI)
it just sound so smart.
Superstition and Illiteracy is Low-intelligent.
Our Eyes is organic, cameras-eyes is ceramic, mineral..
How he knows some Hebrew?
Now link Babel.
Put this in the water supply and save America.
Well said 🙏