maybe it was inevitable??? 🙄 Actually, Calvinism always rises and falls over time, (ironically, if they're right, that's the way God planned it). There is a seduction which ensnares some. Finding a reason to believe you understand something someone else does not... To be specially 'picked' for no reason at all can be too much to resist. There is a false humility which is unavoidable, if not unspoken. Underneath there is a self satisfying paradigm which is hard to turn down. It appeals to the intellect and mans very nature. Yet, historically, it is the 2nd generation of Calvinists who inevitably devolve into embracing fully the implications of the doctrine which demands that everything you will or will not do has already been decided by God..... everything. However, for most, it is an untenable existence which man cannot reconcile with his own reality. Calvinists can develop the 'super-power'.... of Cognitive Dissonance. To live at peace with ones self one must ignore this deterministic fact of their doctrine and behave "as if" it isn't true. The heart of all mankind, (saved or not), desires to 'matter' so they must live as if we do matter ....while maintaining they actually do not. Added to this unsustainable conundrum is the ever existent potential that 'evanescent grace is afoot, e.g. That God is just messing with you, causing you to "think" you were 'elected' to salvation ....but only for a time so that hell will be hotter for you ...for His good pleasure.(this according to John Calvin, look it up). No, a Calvinist's "salvation" is a singular an act of God in which they play no part at all. Therefore there is nothing they can ever point to which confirms they are actually saved. Even R.C. Sproul slept with one eye open, he wrote of struggling with his own doubts. Eventually , many people abandon it, and resign to live in a sort of foggy state of confusion. Unfortunately, many abandon God as a result of it. Here is the worst effect of Calvin's dirty secret; Accepting the Calvinist premise as fact that God made the vast majority of souls, (in his own image no less), to burn in hell eternally by His own decree, and for His own pleasure, for doing what he decreed they would do. While he literally withholds the very grace necessary for salvation for no reason having to do with them, as he forces this 'grace' on a few select souls also chosen for no known purpose. This scenario violates the very conscience God bestowed on mankind from creation. It plants the seed which causes people to doubt that God is really good at all, or that He can be trusted. It should be no surprise that when asked to describe God most atheists do so in Calvin's terms. They rightly reject this portrait of a god which Calvin paints, but sadly discard God along with the portrait. When you consider this, is it not the very same purpose and effect of Satan's lie to Eve in the garden. .... coincidence.. ?? I think not.
I love this analogy: Calvinism treats God as a crazy potter. He creates one pot to be his chosen pot, but he also creates a bunch of other pots to smash into bits to show the other pot how much he loves it. But that’s not enough. He also hates dirt. So he fills each pot with dirt but only cleans the chosen one. Then when smashes these pots filled with dirt, he sweeps them up and puts them in a trash bin. Now the chosen pot is stuck realizing the potter is insane.
I know this is a year later, and i do not believe in Calvinism. However, you should know when you say something is heresy or someone is a heretic. What you communicate is that this person based on what they are believing in (the heresy) or is teaching (being a heretic) is condemned to hell by virtue of it. Be careful. Say what you mean and mean what you say.
God allowed sin so mankind could know and experience His character fully! Without sin, we would be ignorant of His grace, mercy, and complete forgiveness through the work of His Son Jesus. God loves us so much that He will start and finish our knowledge of the Trinity. Phil. 1:6 THANK HIM!!!
Let me ask you, do you think that you were the one who decided to follow Jesus? You who were dead in your sins. You who were a slave to your slave owner, namely Satan. Slaves can’t do anything but what a slave owner tells them to do. They ARE NOT FREE to go anywhere!! Why would you even want to come to Jesus when you are dead, dead in your sins. Dead people can’t do anything either. They can’t accept the medicine being offered to them. They are dead. Then here’s another thing, is the power of forgiveness of the blood of Jesus somehow not strong enough to wash away all the sins of the whole world. That’s what you believe, therefore everybody should be saved and nobody should be going to hell but we know that that’s obviously not true …..so why is that??? The blood of Jesus is powerful, God is sovereign, so why aren’t everyone saved?? Because God is 100% sovereign. Because God chooses. Because God said in the Old Testament I will show mercy on whom I will show mercy. Because God‘s thoughts are higher than our thoughts. No one comes to me unless the father. FIRST DRAWS THEM……… Get on your knees and be humbly tearfully thankful God chose you. We absolutely are nothing without God and we cannot do anything without God. Nothing absolutely nothing. And our choosing has nothing to do with who we were, who we are or who we will be. That is obvious when we look at the lives of Peter and King David and Saul etc. etc. etc.
Calvinist read john 3:16 like "For God so loved the Elect that he gave his one and only Son, so that the Elect, who were already predetermined to believe in him and saved anyway, shall not perish but have eternal life."
Calvinists redefine "sovereign" to mean absolute determinism. Biblical sovereignty means that God is free to do as He pleases, including free to create free moral creatures
@@OkieAllDay So you're morally free but yet you constantly choose to do that which is immoral. I believe what the Bible teaches about our wills ie we are slaves to sin (John 8:34) and we sin because our wills have been blinded and taken captive by the devil (2 Timothy 2:25-26, Romans 7, 2 Corinthians 4:4, Ephesians 2:1-3) our own desires, and our flesh to do what glorifies us and the devil instead of God, I believe I am personally responsible for my sins and that no one on this earth actually has free will to choose what is right, especially those who aren't saved because they are still walking in darkness following the prince of the power of the air, and only through the Gospel, which is the power of God, can they be set free.
choicemeatrandy. You believe you are personally responsible for your actions, but do not have free will? That=contradiction. Calvinism by its very core makes God the author of evil. If God created people and they do not have free will and an ability to make a choice then your saying that makes God evil. This I reject and cannot accept. Also you said you were personally responsible, if you break down that word it literally means ability-to- respond. I thought Calvinist could not respond to God as they are totally depraved?
Amen by God’s Grace Jesus died for all of humanity without exception not just for you. TITUS 2:11 11 For the GRACE of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to ALL men,
Amen....my heart is so heavy...please pray I can find a non Calvinist church. I’ve been out of Calvinism for 2 years after being in it for 17 years. We are still at our church and it’s hard to say the least. But I’m searching for a good church and it’s almost impossible to find a church that Calvinism hasn’t tainted! I want my children to have the Lord correctly represented at home and in church. Thank you brothers and sisters. God is so good. I’ve never seen Him as loving as I do now that my eyes have been opened!
Praise the Lord sister. I fell into a Calvinistic Church and the Holy Spirit was sooo grieved when I was there. Joy fills my heart knowing you heard our shepherd’s voice. I know that your heart is heavy because mine was when I was a part of the church and after I left. Just knowing how subtle the enemy is grieves me. When Jesus comes back he is coming for those who followed his commandments. He’s not coming back for a church building, therefore read and study the scriptures for yourself and if you have been born again the Holy Spirit will teach you and reveal the deep things of God to you until you find a local church that the Lord leads you to join.
Interestingly, people have the same testimony when going from non-Calvinist to Calvinist. So how do you know what is true? I would like to know what you understand Calvinism to be, so I may understand why it is so terrible.
...have subscribed to Calvin's understanding of predestination. One of my wife's brothers, John Green, earned a degree from a Nazarene seminary (where Calvin's understanding of predestination was not taught) and served as pastor of both Free Methodist and Wesleyan congregations. That gives you a choice of four denominations that don't fall in the category of "Calvinist" and there are others.
For a long time, I was neutral on this issue. After debating with friends in college (early 2000s) and leaning towards Calvinism, I then concluded that somehow both are true. We have free will, but God also elects people to salvation. So I appealed to mystery and left it there. But about a year ago, I started thinking about this again. I was thinking about the punishment for people who were born unable to believe because they weren't elect! This is like requiring a baby to pass a college exam, then punishing them for not getting an A. But if there wew millions of babies, you take a few hundred and decide to take the test for them. This doesn't make sense and seems cruel and unjust. So, I then concuded that God reveals himself to ALL and gives the gift of faith to ALL. So anyone who does not have faith are without excuse as it says in Romans 1. This also is in harmony with 2 Peter, where it says it's not God's will that any should perish, but that ALL come to repentance. Therefore, not everything that happens is God's will. He did not create evil. Instead, he sovereignly chose to create beings with a free will. He allows evil to occur, and sometimes uses it towards a good.
[You:] "So, I then concuded that God reveals himself to ALL and gives the gift of faith to ALL." ● A little bit of push back here because I do think that your statement above is error: Matthew 16:13-20 When Jesus came into the region of Caesarea Philippi, He asked His disciples, saying, “Who do men say that I, the Son of Man, am?” So they said, “Some say John the Baptist, some Elijah, and others Jeremiah or one of the prophets.” He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?” Simon Peter answered and said, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” Jesus answered and said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven. And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it. And I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.” Then He commanded His disciples that they should tell no one that He was Jesus the Christ. - Do you believe that God revealed Himself in the same manner to those who said Christ Jesus was John, Elijah, Jeremiah or one of the prophets that He revealed to Simon Bar-Jonah? - Also, in 2 Thessalonians 3:1-2, it is written that "not all have faith." I'm not sure where you are deriving the idea that God "gives the gift of faith to ALL," but I do understand that by that statement you are in fact conceding that faith is a gift.
I used to be Arminian and I would say I'm a calvinist in my sotereology, but there would be more fruitful conversation as brothers in Christ about what we differ on if we first focused on what we agree upon. Both sides often have their ducks in the wrong row and that's why we treat eachother worse than unbelievers do at times.
I think Dr Brown is critiquing Hyper-Calvinism which even many Calvinist’s are against. I know plenty of Calvinists that preach the gospel and pray for anyone and everyone to be saved and are very active in missions so it makes little difference to me what they are as long as they are preaching the gospel and following Jesus!
I have been a 3.5-4.5 point calvinist for 20 years. But no longer do i associate with it. Calvin was the hyper-calvinist. Too much of calvinism is tied up in a theology and philosophy that is more interested in playing god than responding to god and along the way maligns gods message intention and character and undermines the calvinists own ability to respond to god in their walk.
I think the T and the L in the tulip are the most affronts to God's character. He sends people to hell forever because people refuse to do what they were never capable of doing, if that's not evil and unfair, i don't know what is. the calvinist may say "mystery" and "how unfathomable are God's ways"... but "unfathomable" doesn't mean "contradictory" or "unjust". You are literally saying that SOMEHOW UNKNOWN, People are indeed guilty of not doing something they were NEVER capable of. You don't live out that belief anywhere in any situation, so maybe your interpretation is wrong. Isn't it just more likely that you are interpreting the bible wrong than just "somehow someway people are guilty of something they never had any control or choice over". That can only be true if you COMPLETELY REDEFINE the word "guilt". GUILT, BY DEFINITION implies that the guilty person could have done otherwise.
And the L makes every christian who loves an unsaved person (an unsaved person who will die without Jesus, specifically, whoever they are, remaining unsaved til death) and would even die for this person.... more loving than Jesus. Imagine an unsaved person you would die for, if he/she never comes to Christ, the L says Jesus never died for that person, but you would. IOW the L of tulip makes you more loving than Jesus. Is a grave error with horrible implications for the preaching of the gospel. Is much more God/Christ like, according to what we see in the whole bible as Michael Brown pointed out, that Jesus DID die for everyone, but his death only applie to those who repent and turn to Jesus. Than you can't ever say you are more loving towards an unsaved person you are willing to die for than Jesus... THE INCARNATION OF LOVE (According to coherent calvinism, LIMITED love. The LIMITLESS GOD WHO IS LOVE, Is limited in love).
Im convinced that Calvinism is popular because it obfuscates and confounds people. And those who hold to it feel intelligent for understanding it so they must prove to you their understanding of the mystery. The Gospel is not complicated - repent and believe. It is the gift of God to everyone who believes. Calvinism calls into question the very meaning of words. What is belief without choice? What is a gift if it cannot be received by choice? Nah, the Bible is abundantly clear that God is willing that no one should perish but that ALL should come to repentance through faith in Jesus. If Calvinists really believed in predestination and lack of free will, they would never do another invitation.
It is well to notice, too, that Scripture never speaks of election or predestination to a place, heaven or hell. Scripture does not speak of the believer as having been “crucified, buried, and raised with Christ back in the eternal ages.” Election in the Scriptures is to holiness, and to Christ- likeness. C. F. Hogg
I always love a comment section with calvinists. Awesome to see the egotism self-righteousness used to explain the gospel. I also love seeing the inevitable use of the words hermeneutics and exegesis. Yay! That has never been said before.
@@jelewis365 Spoken and twisted like a true Calvinist . No ONE said or claimed what you allude to if a man turns to God for salvation by his action does he not recognize and glorify God as his king his savior does he humble him self before the Father ? Jesus even said " my kingdom is not of this world " " 4 What I am saying is that as long as the heir is a minor he is no different from a slave, even though he is the legal owner of the estate; 2 rather, he is subject to guardians and caretakers until the time previously set by his father. 3 So it is with us - when we were “children” we were slaves to the elemental spirits of the universe; 4 but when the appointed time arrived, God sent forth his Son. He was born from a woman, born into a culture in which legalistic perversion of the Torah was the norm, 5 so that he might redeem those in subjection to this legalism and thus enable us to be made God’s sons. 6 Now because you are sons, God has sent forth into our hearts the Spirit of his Son, the Spirit who cries out, “Abba!” (that is, “Dear Father!”). 7 So through God you are no longer a slave but a son, and if you are a son you are also an heir. 8 In the past, when you did not know God, you served as slaves beings which in reality are non-gods. 9 But now you do know God, and, more than that, you are known by God. So how is it that you turn back again to those weak and miserable elemental spirits? Do you want to enslave yourselves to them once more? 10 You observe special days, months, seasons and years! 11 I fear for you that my work among you has been wasted!
@@jelewis365 Then the Lord said to Cain, “Why are you angry? Why is your face downcast? If you do what is right, will you not be accepted? But if you do not do what is right, sin is crouching at your door; it desires to have you, but you must rule over it.” ... Was God just pulling his leg? Was God mocking Cain by suggesting he had a choice to do 'right' knowing he did not? Look up the definition of Sovereign. It is NOT as the Calvinist attempts to use the word. God can do what He wants... or nothing at all, His only limitation is that He cannot lie. God sits in the heavens and does as he pleases but the earth he has given to man.(ps.115:16) He is not required to 'control' anything. And creating a being, in His own image, with a libertarian free will poses no threat to Him, or His sovereignty, as the flood of Noah and the tower of babel illustrate.
“God does not act in an arbitrary way nor in defiance of the human will when he draws people to Christ. Someone once tried to persuade me that God has chosen some people for salvation and chosen other people for damnation. Such an idea is monstrous. God does not arbitrarily and sovereignly damn the greater part of the human race into an existence they did not seek, on terms they did not select, … just in order arbitrarily to send people to hell for not choosing a salvation offered only to the elect. That may be some people’s idea of God and some people’s idea of salvation, but such concepts make God out to be a tyrant worse than any in the history of the human race.” John Phillips
I like Washer, McCarthur, White, and Piper. As far as doctrine, they’re sound on a lot of things. Not every believer will agree on the non essentials. In saying this, I believe Calvinism is not scriptural and it takes mis interpreting of scriptures to believe it. No knock on my Presbyterian brothers and those who are reformed, but it’s not scriptural. Again, I still think it’s a secondary issue. We can all still walk as brothers and sisters in Christ, in love. That’s what matters. God bless you, Brown. I love and respect your ministry.
His Infallible, Holy and Sacred Name is YaH, NOT "God" This "jesus" of Nazareth, the NAZARENE, NOT Bethlehem, was NOT The Messiah, he is NOT Who they Crucified for the sins of man. "jesus" (Latin: Iēsous), (Greek: Ἰησοῦς) Latin: Je/Ge means "Earth" Sus means "Pig". "je sus" means EARTH PIG Here is the REAL Messiah, Who they REALLY Crucified for the sins of man Yad He Vav He is what Moses wrote (Dead Sea Scrolls Exodus 3) Yad = Hand He = Breath Vav = Nail He = Breath Yad He, which forms The Creators Name YaH, (Hand Breath), as YaH's Hand Forms/Creates and His Breath brings forth life (Adam) Vav He (Nail Breath), YaH's Sacrifice of Crucifixion, for those who call YaH Savior, His Breath brings forth life YaH arrives via the Tent of Meeting (Exodus 33:7:11), the exact same way YaH arrived to Joseph NOT through childbirth. YaH was NOT Crucified on a "cross", but according to Hebrew law (Deuteronomy 21), to be nailed on an Almond Tree for blasphemy as the Messiah claimed He was YaH. He was YaH!!!
Yes, and maligning the God’s Character is in sync with the unforgivable sin - blasphemy of God the Holy Spirit. The Pharisees attributed Jesus’s Character to satan and warned them!
@@jjgems5909 Good question; the main principle is scripture interprets scripture; when we come to scripture with our own ideas and try to insert them into it, we have a good chance to get it wrong; the other is what have others have said about the topic for that we go back to the reformers (Calvin, Luther, Knox, Owen), to the confessions of faith and the reformed catechisms not to get our ideas from them but to confirm if someone else had gotten to the conclusion we are getting to since if we are the only ones getting to a conclusion must likely we are wrong and if false teachers have gotten to the same confusion we are getting to most likely we are wrong- so let scripture interpret scripture
No, Calvinism does not do so. In fact, non-Calvinism maligns God's character, will and sovereignty. It injects the actions of sinful people into a sinless divine action, and that is unbiblical.
Wow. I truly truly Praise the Lord because from the past few months this question about salvation was running into my mind and heart. Somewhere in my heart I knew that God's love cannot be limited by our words or interpretations. Because HIS love towards US is beyond our imaginations and interpretation. No one, I repeat no one can explain me how much & why Jesus loves me so much that he died for my sins. Hallelujah. All praise and glory to the Lord Jesus Christ alone.
Praise God!! You are one of us!! God chose you out of darkness. Just like when Jesus asked the disciples who he was, then Peter said, YOU ARE THE CHRIST SENT FROM HEAVEN!! Jesus told Peter that the only way he knew that in his heart of hearts is because the Father in heaven revealed it to him. The Jesus told Peter and the disciples upon this rock I will build my Church and the gates of hell will not prevail against it!!! God revealed himself and drew you to Jesus!! Praise God!!
Stop trusting your heart and read the Bible. You go wrong when you say something like that and trust your own heart because it can be deceively wicked who can know it?
I do believe that God does choose certain individuals for his purpose for certain things. He called Abraham and through a promise he said he’d make him the father of many nations. God tested Abraham concerning Isaac. Abraham had faith that even if God took Isaac that he could raise him from the dead, if needed. He called Abraham his friend. He chose Moses to lead the children of Israel out of Egypt. He chose Paul to preach the gospel. He chose his only son to come to earth in human form and show us God’s character. Jesus did all of God’s will. He healed the sick, cast out devils, and raised the dead. Then he died on the cross, was buried and was resurrected. Jesus died for the sins of all mankind and only through his blood will we be saved. We don’t get saved by our works, but if we are saved we should have the works or the fruit that shows we are saved. God offers salvation to all, but gives free will to us.
Not only that, but Rebekah’s children had one and the same father, our father Isaac. Yet, before the twins were born or had done anything good or bad-in order that God’s purpose in election might stand: not by works but by him who calls-she was told, “The older will serve the younger.” Just as it is written: “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.” What then shall we say? Is God unjust? Not at all! For he says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.” It does not, therefore, depend on man’s desire or effort, but on God’s mercy. For the Scripture says to Pharaoh: “I raised you up for this very purpose, that I might display my power in you and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.” Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden. One of you will say to me: “Then why does God still blame us? For who resists his will?” But who are you, O man, to talk back to God? “Shall what is formed say to him who formed it, ‘Why did you make me like this?’ ” Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for noble purposes and some for common use? What if God, choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath-prepared for destruction? What if he did this to make the riches of his glory known to the objects of his mercy, whom he prepared in advance for glory- even us, whom he also called, not only from the Jews but also from the Gentiles?
Continue with the chapter and put the beginning also... In Romans 9 Paul's asks why many Jews have rejected Jesus even though God had originally made covenant with them, gave them all the promises, prophets etc and proceeds to answer that question in the end of the chapter in verses 31 and 32. 31 But Israel, who pursued righteousness based on the Law, did not achieve the Law. 32 Why not? Because they did not pursue it on the basis of faith, but as if it were based on achievements. They stumbled over the stone that causes people to stumble. The Jews rejected Christ because they could not understand how one can be made righteous by faith.. They clung on to their works of the law.. they rejected Christ and because of their unbelief, God hardened their heart like he had done for the pharaoh. They became like Ishmael and Esau as they went outside God's promise of salvation and tried to make their own way through their works. (Hence Paul's emphasis on Isaac being the child of promise and Jacob being chosen apart from works). Paul the addresses Israel's objections against God's judgement of hardening.. where they blame God for injustice. This is natural as they must have been shocked by the change from the covenant of the law to that of grace. He answers their objections by pointing to God's sovereignty.. in the means by which he extends mercy (in this case the cross) as well the objects of his mercy (i.e gentiles are allowed to come to the faith without circumcision or following the law) Many Gentiles accepted Christ and received God's mercy. The Jews made a choice to follow righteousness according to the law and hence were lost. Somehow Calvinists read this chapter and come to the opposite conclusion that Jews did not believe because God did not elect them and they had no natural ability to believe. It's kinda funny.
s wooo the Jews didn't believe because they were still working by the law even tho they had the opportunity to choose faith. And this comment supporting calvinism is all about past elections in the O.T and you debunked his idea with your comment
On the bible person esau never served jacob. God was taking about the nations that would come from them. I hear this objection from calvinists. Its sort of a proof text. Though they interpret it incorrectly.
Such an ignorant view - the scripture about Esau was not about eternal salvation, for a group of people who accuse others of taking scriptures out of context, they sure do it well with this one. That whole point about Esau wasn’t ever talking about salvation. The chapter is talking about how true Israel is of the Spirit, and how the election is by promise, not your heritage.
We Love you Dr. Brown. When beating my brain against the idea of no free Will in Calvanism I was truly being crushed under the weight of being conscious but without the ability to choose anything. All while it was coming to Christ that caused me to believe in true free Will for the first time. Still when I remembered the verse of "warn the wicked of his way lest he die in his sins, if not his blood will I require at thy hand. This is a clear mandate of personal responsibility given to us. Something not given to someone who can do or choose nothing.
You should check out this explanation of free will: ua-cam.com/video/mm2x3heXwAs/v-deo.html Calvinism is not at all opposed to free will - that's a common misunderstanding.
It's not Calvinism. It is a Predestination and Election according to the bible which Calvin had brought on the table. It is biblical. Those who God truly have predestined before the foundation of the world will hear the gospel and truly live for Christ. Dr. Brown there are 41 verses written in the bible about Predestination and Election. How God dealt with the prophets directly in the old testament and until now. He choose whom He will and they will hear (the good soil) the Gospel. God is in control above all things. It's not our choice, but His choice. Our only works are to spread the good news of Christ.
God is able of farseeing, therefore He knows what we are able to became even before we are formed in the womb, therefore He's able to elect people to do His will or people to be raised as enemy of Christ because, but this is not predestinations. Paul is a very confused preacher in general (i know you are refering to Romans 9) and Peter warn us do not take his teachings lightly or we can understand him wrong. Predestinations = no free will, therefore when God is telling us to choose the path we wish, the life or death, He's contradicted himself. Also the judgement is wrong, since He will judge a tool (what predestinations is saying that we are). Even more, we humans are more righteous than Him if the predestinations is real, because we judge a killer and not his tool who he used to commit a crime. Well, much to say, but basically nobody can be surely certain of his salvation. What if God wishes for someone to fall from faith, as many before us? What is the point of all the warnings if we are not able to make a choice?
@@choicemeatrandy6572 of course not... listen to Paul who is so against the circumsion that he circumsise Thimoty himself, though he says that those who are going under circumsion are denying Christ... Galatians 5:3 vs Acts 16:3 vs Galatians 1:10 vs Galatians 2:114 And next time try to bring solid arguments to sustain tour opinion. Like dr Brown.. and me
@@argumentfx5568 I was responding to Emanuel (unless you're him) I dont believe Dr. Brown made any solid arguments in this video and if you are Emanuel then your argument involves bypassing what Paul clearly said in favor of your opinion.
Dr. Brown coming from someone who did not understand the bible, your questions would be legitimate. The fact that you are someone who has studied the bible for years, there's no excuse: *POINT 1:* "The fact is that Calvinist believe that God has ordained human behavior" *Answer* The BIBLE says that God DOES ordain EVERYthing that comes to pass: Isaiah 46:10-11 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure: Calling a ravenous bird from the east, the man that executeth my counsel from a far country: yea, I have spoken it, I WILL BRING IT TO PASS; I HAVE PURPOSED (Preordained) IT, I WILL ALSO DO IT.” Ephesians 1:11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who WORKETH ALL THINGS AFTER THE COUNSEL OF HIS OWN WILL. Isaiah 55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it SHALL ACCOMPLISH THAT WHICH I PLEASE, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it. *Point 2* "The simple question I have is this, if God ordained that someone would do evil, why does it grieve him when they do evil, and why does he express his desire that they not do evil." *Answer* Did Jesus murder grieve God? Did he ordain that Jesus be murdered? See Acts 4:27-28 Indeed Herod and Pontius Pilate met together with the Gentiles and the people of Israel in this city to conspire against your holy servant Jesus, whom you anointed. THEY DID WHAT YOUR POWER AND WILL HAD DECIDED BEFOREHAND SHOULD BE HAPPEN Did God ordain that these specific people would betray and/or crucify Jesus? YES! How do we know? Because the bible gives us precedent: Pharaoh - “I HAVE RAISED YOU UP FOR THIS VERY PURPOSE” (Exodus 9:16) Judas - ““Brothers and sisters, the Scripture had to be fulfilled in which the Holy Spirit spoke long ago through David concerning Judas, who served as guide for those who arrested Jesus.” (Acts 1:16) “While I was with them, I protected them and kept them safe by that name you gave me. None has been lost EXCEPT THE ONE DOOMED TO DESTRUCTION (son of perdition) SO THAT THE SCRIPTURE WOULD BE FULFILLED” (John 17:12) NOTE: The scriptures MUST be fulfilled and GOD HAS ORDAINED THOSE WHO FULFILL THEM Which is why Jesus says in Mathew 18:7 “Woe unto the world because of offences! for IT MUST NEEDS BE THAT OFFENCES COME; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh! NOTE: Although God does ORDAIN what people do and what comes to pass He does NOT CAUSE them to be evil. Read Isaiah 10 and the King of Assyria. God sends him and his army to punish Judah and “trample them down like mud in the streets.” God says “I SEND HIM..” “He is an ax in MY HAND”….then God says but he did not intend it so, he did it for HIS OWN wicked pleasure and therefore I WILL PUNISH HIM! *Point 3* "Throughout the word God makes it clear that he takes no delight in the death of the wicked but desires rather that they repent and live." *Answer* You are conflating God’s “desire” with God’s will. Could God have kept Adam, David and everyone from sinning against him? YES! See Abimilech in Genesis 20:6 See David when God kept him from kill nabal in 1 Samuel 25:32-34 God IS able to turn hearts of people “wherever HE wills” (Proverbs 21:1). He turned the hearts of the Egyptians AGAINST his people (Psalm 105:25) and FOR his people (Psalm 106:16) God did not “desire” for Jesus to be murdered, but it was His WILL! Does a good human judge “desire” for people to do right? Does he “take pleasure” in sentencing a person to death? NO! But he does it because it’s just and right! *Point 4* "I can truly look at any lost person and tell that person God desires that you turn and believe. If I held to a predestinarian doctrine...I could not say "God loves you and sent Jesus to die for you." *Answer* 1. I can too! God DOES truly “desire” that people repent and live. 2. You should NEVER say “God loves you and sent Jesus to die for you.” Nowhere in scripture does any prophet, priest, apostle, disciple, believer, or Jesus say any such thing. What they DO SAY is “REPENT, AND BELIEVE!” What Jesus DOES say is “UNLESS YOU REPENT YOU WILL LIKEWISE PERISH!” Jesus did NOT say, “I love you and have a wonderful plan for your life!” *Point 5* You read from John 17 where Jesus said “I do NOT pray for the world but for those who believe (i.e. the elect) then you apply the verse to the whole world! Why would you take it so blatanly out of context? *Point 6 * “All men” in scriptures, especially in the NT, usually means “men from every tribe, tongue and nation..” (Revelation 5:9) *Some background:* In the OT the Jews were the ONLY people God had set apart for himself (other than a few gentiles that came into the fold). In the OT the Jews were the ONLY people group that God had revealed his statutes and laws to, the gentiles were ignorant of God’s law. (Psalm 147:19-20). Isaiah said that until Jesus (the light) came, the gentiles were “Walking in darkness” (Isaiah 9:2). Paul said in Ephesians 2 that before Christ, the gentiles were “without HOPE and without GOD in the world.” Acts says that “God overlooked their ignorance (he did not reveal anything to them to take away their ignorance) (Acts 17:30) and that God “Allowed them to go their own way” (to perdition) (Acts 14:16). Which is why Jews believed themselves to be special in God’s sight (God told them they were -Deuteronomy 7:6) and why they referred to gentiles as “dogs.” And which is why before God sent Peter to Cornelius’ (the gentile) house, he had to give him a vision and tell him “do not call unclean what I have called clean” (gentiles) (Acts 10:15). Only THEN did he go into a gentiles house to preach the gospel. Then, his fellow Jews got angry with him for going to a gentile’s house but when he explain what had happened it says in Acts 11:18, “When they heard this, they had no further objections and praised God, saying, “So then, even to Gentiles God has granted repentance that leads to life.” They understood THEN the “Mystery” that Paul speaks of in Ephesians 2 and 3: “This mystery is that through the gospel the Gentiles are heirs together with Israel, members together of one body, and sharers together in the promise in Christ Jesus.” (Ephesians 3:6) So, if you go back to John 12 (to give one example) which occurred BEFORE Peter’s revelation that gentiles were fellow heirs, it says in verse 20 “Now there were some Greeks (gentiles) among those who went up to worship at the festival. 21They came to Philip, who was from Bethsaida in Galilee, with a request. “Sir,” they said, “WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE JESUS.” When they told Jesus, his response was “If I am lifted up I will draw ALL MEN (from every tribe, tongue and nation) to me! Example 2: John 10:16, Jesus says “I have OTHER SHEEP (Gentiles) that are not of this sheep pen (the Jewish sheep pen). I must bring them also. They too will listen to my voice, and there shall be one flock and one shepherd. (refer back to Ephesians 2:14, “For he himself is our peace, WHO HAS MADE THE TWO GROUPS ONE and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility,” The "All Men" in the contexts of the salvatoin scriptures does NOT mean "every single person on earth," it means "ALL PEOPLE GROUPS" (or , from every tribe, tongue and nation) One final example that makes this point clear. In Romans 5, Paul (God) uses "all men/people" who SINNED to refer to EVERY PERSON; vs 12 "Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned-" But then, when speaking of who will receive salvation, he says; vs 17 "For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will THOSE WHO RECEIVE GOD'S ABUNDANT PROVISION OF GRACE and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ!" And WHO is it that "receives" this "abundant provision of grace" and "gift of righteousness?" Not "All People" or "Every single person." No, Peter says in 2 Peter 1:1 "Simon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ have RECEIVED A FAITH as precious as ours:" The word "received" is the word "Lagchano" and means "to obtain by lot. 1. To receive by divine allotment, obtain. 2. to cast lots, determine by lot." It's just as Paul says in Ephesians 2:9, "It is the GIFT of God, so that nobody can boast." And God gives the gift to whom HE pleases. (John 3:8, John 1:13, Romans 9:16, Matthew 11:27)
rolysantos well done I agree with your analysis as written but also as my understanding of scripture The Lord not only gives you grace as free but bestows faith as a gift as well We were all DEAD in sins how could anyone muster up enough faith to believe? Lazarus did not raise himself from the dead after all ,the Lord did from compassion and grace as he does with us in our new birth
rolysantos It’s like God knows our hearts (of course) but can choose where to put us on this chess board called “Earth” and potenciate what is already in us to do His Will. That’s why He CHOSE Judas as one of the 12. Anyways, I don’t agree with the statement that Jesus only died for the sins of the Elect simply because the Bible is very clear about it. I think Calvinists care more about making sense of their own doctrine than the Word of God in this sense. And they don’t understand the character of God printed in such act (dying for the sins of the world) that only brings more condemnation to those who reject Jesus. That’s why the Scripture makes a difference between the lost before Jesus and the ones after Jesus remarking that the last ones will be far more condemned.
Answer to the first question: because God's desires are complex and multi faceted. Also, I don't see how the non-reformed position fares any better: why did God create Joe knowing Joe would sin, if God doesn't desire Joe to sin? It's the same answer: God desires more things than simply to minimize the amount of sin in the world. The calvinist position is pretty straightforward, though typically misunderstood. 1. God can cause anything that he desires to happen, and prevent anything that he wants to prevent. This is divine sovereignty, the secret decree, ordination. 2. Men sin / evil exists / not all are saved. 3. Thus, God ordains/decrees these things to happen. For that not to be so, would mean there are things in the world outside of God's power to control.
God being sovereign means that He is able to choose what to and what not to decree. He is all powerful and all knowing. How He chooses to use His knowledge and power is up to Him. Also, most non-calvinists don't believe in the "God saving through looking into the future". We are saved by grace THROUGH faith and Christ's atonement made provision for all who believe.
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@prathapdanny Hi friend, please see the other comment on the video by rolysantos. I think he gives a thorough explanation, which I hope will answer your questions here as well :-)
Shut up Mary. Brown doesn't understand the concept of "the world", nor does he take the opposite point of view into consideration (i.e., "the whole world was taxed" as we read in the N.T., and many other places where the "world" does NOT mean every single person on planet Earth). Thus, Jesus did NOT die for the sins of each and every person without exception because if he did, those in hell would be paying for their sins TWICE, which is unjust. So much then for your praise of M.B. and his "never straying from the word".
@@mojo7495 maybe you need to read this.......... Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, FITS OF ANGER, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is LOVE, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, GENTLENESS, SELF-CONTROL; against such things there is no law. And those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. If we live by the Spirit, let us also keep in step with the Spirit. Let us not become conceited, PROVOKING one another, envying one another. Galatians 5:19-26 ESV
I struggle to understand the point of view that predestination cannot exist alongside free will. Three-card Monte, for instance, works on the same principal - a person is free to choose but the outcome is already known to someone else. The two mechanisms aren't necessarily mutually exclusive, it's just a matter of ignorance on the part of the free will side. Parenting is full of these sorts of examples as well. What am I missing?
@KTTGHMTJWYCBLAC Ok, I think I see the difference. You think people would choose God over sin if given a fair chance? Those who are indwelt with the Holy Spirit no longer sin? It all gets so complex, I appreciate your response, lol
Harrison Brincku And 98 percent of people who believe in Calvinism have no clue about church history and how Calvinistic beliefs came into the church almost 400 years after Christ through Augustine, who was influenced by Neoplatonism, Gnosticism, and Stoicism. And 98 percent of people who believe in Calvinism rely more on creeds, confessions, councils, synods, and flawed theologians than the Scriptures as understood in their actual historical context by the original church.
@@HarrisonB72 calvinists preach a sheep goat gospel in which nobody can repent based on God's decree separate from anything they can do in which the result is eternal damnation unless God decides to save them irregardless to anything including repentence and faith. The reason that isn't included is because God causes faith and repentence. How do you feel about that and babies going to hell? Makes me want to cry
Romans 9 says that he creates some for destruction and some to be saved (this is paraphrased). I am a calvinist and I believe scripture for exactly what it says. It literally says in romans "What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction,....." Romans 9:22 ESV Free will is our choice to make a decision however our free will ultimately leads to the destination that God has predestined, whether it be heaven or hell. I used to think calvinism was wrong and hateful until the word was revealed to me for what it is. I say this for the sake of understanding in those who have insulted us. Also calvinism isnt void of love, it's understanding God's love, wrath, and glory for what it is. Also calvinism is only called that because of the man that defended the bible against Armenianism (I think I spelled that right.) Originally calvinism was said to be correct and what Christian's believed, but someone didn't think that it was so the tried to say "no this is the love of God." Then Calvin said "no the word says this and this is what it means." (This is all very paraphrased.) Outside of the history I have seen several comments calling calvinists names and hurling insults at us. Read the word of God in Romans 9. It is undeniably stating that God has predestined some for destruction and some for heaven.
Hi Dr Brown. Matthew 1:21 She will bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus, for He will save His people from their sins.” The 'His people' referred to here, is the same people Paul talked about in Ephesians 1: 4-5 '... even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love he predestined us for adoption as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will...' Chosen before the foundation of the world. Predestined for adoption. The only difference between a person in hell and one in heaven is the love of the Lord God Almighty. Not the persons will. Ephesians 2: 8-9 '...For it is by grace you have been saved through faith, and this not from yourselves; it is the gift of God, not by works, so that no one can boast...' The person in Heaven cannot boast about choosing God because he was chosen. God bless.
1. Faith is NOT a "work." In fact, "faith" and "works" are deliberately contrasted throughout the bible. 2. You misunderstand what predestination and being chosen by God before the foundation of the world actually means. God wants everyone to turn from sin (Repentance), and put their faith in Jesus (Trust in Jesus' atoning sacrafice on the cross for salvation... Instead of your own works). It was God's will to set things up in this manner before he created anything. It was the narrow route of salvation through Jesus that was predetermined to be the way that God chooses His elect... NOT choosing random individuals arbitrarily before the foundation of the world began. Think about real-life examples of good relationships. I don't care what relationship you think of... Brother and sister Father and daughter Husband and wife Niece and uncle Friends Teacher and student Etc. Etc. Every good healthy relationship is based on 3 things: - Intimacy - Faith - Love When I speak of "Intimacy," I dont mean sex.... I am referring to fellowship. Getting to know someone more and more as time goes on. Not keeping the other person at arms-length. Sharing who you really are, and learning who the other person really is. When I speak about "Faith," I am not talking about blind faith... I mean being able to trust the other person. Believing in their abilities. Having confidence in the other person's character. When I speak about "Love," I am obviously not talking about the way I feel about someone else... I am talking about the CHOICES people make on how to act towards another person. • CHOOSING to act kindly instead of meanly • CHOOSING to act patiently instead of impatiently • CHOOSING to act with compassion, mercy, and forgiveness instead of hate, malace, or spite • CHOOSING to act fairly instead of unfairly • CHOOSING to serve rather than selfishness • Etc. Etc. Notice how they are all interconnected? Intimacy + Love = Increased Faith Intimacy + Faith = More choices to act in loving ways Love + Faith = Wanting even more Intimacy Do you really think that our personal relationship with God isn't similar? I say "similar" because God is a truly unique relationship. 1. God knows us so intimately that every hair on our head is numbered. We have the choice to keep Him at arm's length, pretend He doesn't exist, and even spend eternity seperated from Him.... or we can choose to get to know God intimately once He reveals Himself to us (Everyone is without excuse because God reveals Himself to everyone through creation, conscience, and many other ways throughout our lives). 2. God has always been completely faithful and trustworthy. The more we get to know God through His word, the more our faith increases. Anyone who reads the bible consistently knows about God keeping His prophetic promises throughout history, and how the old testament is pretty much all foreshadowing of Jesus. 3. God IS love. Every time a born again Christian chooses to act in a loving way they are being obedient to God. Christ did the most loving thing anyone could ever do by giving up His life WILLINGLY for us.... and we WILLINGLY give up our lives for God and others. God sanctifies us by having the Holy Spirit convict us when we make bad choices after being justified. Your Calvin "tulip" is flawed... - Are we all totally depraved? Yes. - Does God know who will be saved beforehand? Yes (He is outside of time) - Once saved always saved (Perseverance of the saints)? Yes. Limited Atonement? Not a chance. This is not biblical. There are plenty of bible verses that go against Limited Atonement. His free gift of Atonement is often rejected by many instead of received... But that does NOT mean Christ only took some sins upon Himself and not others. Irresistible Grace? Nope. People reject God's offer of grace all the time. Why? They prefer their sin. This is not a knock on God... it's a testament to His perfect nature. God doesn't force Himself upon others or coerce people. He created humans who were free to choose or reject Him. We have all rejected Him. But in his mercy, He provided a way to be redeemed through Jesus Christ. All those who have reached the age of accountability have seen countless examples of God's common grace that he extends to everyone. All those who have lived to the age of accountability have also experienced many glimpses of what life would be like without God (Endless examples of the way sin causes chaos, pain, suffering and hopelessness). Everyone has opportunities to call out to God. If anyone calls out to God in truth (Sincere repentance), He is loving enough to show that person the only way to salvation (Jesus) in one way or another (Dreams, visions, missionaries, books, movies, etc). God will get His word to them in one way or another. Conclusion: God is not the author of a story where he purposely created all people to do evil, then arbitrarily choose to show mercy on a few of them. Instead, God created individuals who could choose to accept or reject Him. Even though God knew that we would all rebel... In His loving mercy, he provided a way for people to be redeemed and reconciled to God through jesus. He will not force people to spend eternity with Him in heaven, nor will He coerce anyone. It is a free gift to anyone who chooses to put their faith in Jesus. Once you see the love of God, it is your choice if you want to be with Him for all of eternity (Intimacy)... Or not. We are not biological robots... or puppets.
@@stevenrivard9246 Hi Steven. Hope you are well. In answer to your post. 1) Where in my post did I say faith is a Work? Ephesians 2: 8-9 '...For it is by grace you have been saved through faith, and this not from yourselves; it is the gift of God, not by works, so that no one can boast...' This is what I quoted from the Bible. Your point is unclear. 2)Ephesians 1: 4-5 '... even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love he predestined us for adoption as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will...' Again this is from the Bible. Paul is talking about a specific group of people. God's people, by the power of the Holy Spirit, can look at this and see themselves and give glory to God in Jesus name. Your definition of predestination and choosing is in direct opposition with the Scripture. John 6:37-40 '... All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out. For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will but the will of him who sent me. And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day. For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.”...' All that the Father gives to the Son will come to Him. John 6:65 '...“This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father.”...' No one can come to the Son unless the Father grants it. Which brings us back to: Ephesians 2: 8-9 '...For it is by grace you have been saved through faith, and this not from yourselves; it is the gift of God, not by works, so that no one can boast...' Ultimately your argument is against Scripture not Calvin.
"no man is righteous" "no man does good" "no man seeks God" Psalm 23, Romans 3 of course... "no man CAN come to me unless the Father first draws him" John 6:44 Calvinism is just a label people put on for biblical teachings about predestination. People would label Jesus a Calvinist today if they actually read the Bible. Surprise, most "Christians" haven't read the Bible, and if they have, they conveniently ignore the doctrine of predestination wherever it shows up in the Bible, which is basically everywhere. God chose Abraham and gifted him faith, God chose Jacob instead of Esau, God chose the apostle Paul instead of any of the other evil Pharisees at the time... Ultimately, its God who chooses who follows Him, because a man simply does not possess the ability to follow God because its not in man's nature to follow God. It's simple -- God created man with free will. The essence of this free will is self-determinism which means each man chooses what he desires most in EVERY situation. Naturally, a man rejects God because man simply would rather do what he wants than to do what God wants. The elect ones are the ones whom God has unconditionally chosen from before the beginning of the world(Ephesians 1) to become His children and seek to do God's will instead of their own. This way, His children can FREELY choose to follow Him, but of course, He is so beautiful and perfect, none of His children will ever see death or be "snatched out" from the Father's hand. A non-believer FREELY rejects God, and God saves people by changing their hearts(Ezekiel 36:25-32) so that they will be able to seek God and follow His commands. Theres a great metaphor of sheep in the Bible. Jesus says, "My sheep hear my voice." Who are His sheep? The elect of course, the ones who will come to believe in Him. John chapter 8:31-47 is a conversation between the Pharisees and Jesus. Jesus explains why people reject God. He calls the people who reject the truth "children of the devil." That's right, the devil's children will never come to believe in Jesus because God the Father did not grant them the ability to come to faith in Jesus. As Ephesians 2:8 says, faith IS the gift of God. God gives His people faith, but not the rest of the world. Simple. This isn't Calvinism, this is simply Biblical doctrine.
The Bible says that Jesus was marveled by the unbelief of those who saw all His miracles but refused to believe. Now why would Jesus be surprised at unbelief, if God predestined those people not believe??
The elect are chosen (the group), you need to make the choice to be part of it (free will). It's the group that's predestined, you choose to accept the invitation or reject it. Calvinism is a fraud.
You are a fraud. You deny the sovereignty of God rejecting Calvin's doctrine. God doesn't cause sin and knowledge is not the same as action. Go take a course at Ligonier and come back when you're ready.
Jaykob Seiler According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: Ephesians 1:4
@@henriquealexandreh I deny Calvinism. I don't deny God's sovereignty that decides to give me free will to choose. I have free will because He decided in His power to give it to me. He is KING. My God is my Father, not a Calvinist sadistic tyrant that created people on purpose to send them to hell for eternity. That's not only pure evil, that's sick, perverted and twisted!
I'm a non-married man. Lord willing one day if God blesses me with children my desire is for them to always be well behaved, polite, generous, and obedient...however I know that they wont be perfect, I know that they will act up, fret, complain, mourn, throw tantrums in public, disobey...I know this because I've seen how other children behave under the care of good parents. My desire for my future children to be obedient hasn't changed and me knowing that they will not obey has nothing to do with me *causing them* to be that way. Sadly those who would oppose reformed theology do not make the proper distinctions in categories. Yes God desires for all to repent and be saved, however, unless you're a universalist, not everyone will be saved, there are people who will end up going to hell for all eternity as punishment for acts that they freely committed. God does not *make anyone* sin, we all sin because it is what we already want to do and we are tempted by the lusts of our own flesh and we are under the power of sin and satan. Just like the disobedient child, no parent wants or makes their child start acting up in public or blatantly disobeying them. It'd be incredibly awkward for a parent to say, "I desire for my children to disobey me" however children will disobey their parents, that's just reality. The entire argument that Paul makes in Romans is that we are all sinners and the punishment for that is death but God in order to show His Divine attributes of loving kindness, Grace, and Mercy has purposed to save rebel sinners without compromising His Divine attributes of Justice and Wrath, and those that God rescues He did so because of His own will and purposes just as He told Moses, "I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, compassion on whom I have compassion" That's what the Bible teaches. Any teaching that tries to make man the true center and sovereign is not Biblical at all.
@HillDueceua You ask, "What does that have to do with Calvinism?" Well that's what Calvinists believe, not whatever caricature you've heard before. You then say that what "calvinists" espouse isn't logical when the post youre replying to walks you through the logic step by step.
@HillDueceua Completely losing track of what's going on here. What do cookies have to do with the Bible? If you're going to make up your own stuff then fine but I don't think there's a point in this interaction continuing. You responded first and you dont really appear to have the mindset of someone who will listen to anything that doesn't agree with your current beliefs. You're not God and if you can't prove what you're saying and do it in a civil manner then there's no point in replying any more.
@HillDueceua That's not the conclusion and it must be tiring to constantly be corrected and still be adamant about it. It's nothing but being purposefully stubborn and wise in your own eyes.
Calvinism and Arminianism are systematic views of soteriology. Meaning, neither Calvinism or Arminianism is meant to be spoken of broadly in all matters of life but only in regard to salvation. The matter of predestination can be a systematic theology. However, Calvinistic predestination is only speaking to the moment of salvation. Therefore, I can be a Calvinist (according to soteriology) AND still say that humans have a sense of “free will” or “human responsibility.” I hold to Calvinistic beliefs regarding salvation but still hold all people responsible for their choices. But humans don’t choose to save themselves… we are saved by God only. And once you’re saved, walk with him by making meaningful, legitimate choices in everyday life.
“It is easy to conclude how foolish and frail is the support of divine justice by the suggestion that evils come to be not by His will, but merely by His permission. Of course, so far as they are evils … I admit they are not pleasing to God. But it is quite frivolous refuge to say that God otiosely [idly] permits them, when Scripture shows Him not only willing but the author of them.” Who said that?
If one does not understand the tension there is between the Free offer of grace and the eternal all knowing God Who’s foreknowledge is in complete harmony with His Degrees. Even if you are professor you need to come to God as a poor beggar and ask for the convicting work of the Holy Spirit. Just lose your degrees in theology and become like a child. Proverbs 16:4 The Lord has made all for Himself, Yes, even the wicked for the day of doom. Please don’t deny the Word Of God. on (1:00) 1 John 2: 2 And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world. 1 John 2:2 explained: That is, OF all people, who in all the world FROM all nations, see also: John. 11:51 Now this HE [Caiaphas,] did not say on his own authority; but being high priest that year he prophesied that Jesus would die for the nation, 52 and not for that nation only, but also that He would gather together in one THE CHILDREN OF GOD WHO WERE SCATTERED ABROAD. Romans 11:26 And so ALL ISRAEL will be saved, as it is written: “The Deliverer will come out of Zion, And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob; This would then mean that every single Israelite will be saved? It is obvious not!!! Many places in Scripture use the Word All Men for Not Only Jews but also other nations or “all kind of” there is a difference in the Greek. John 12:32 And if I be lifted up from the earth, I will draw all men to Myself.” The word in the Greek for all here is πάντας (pantas) whose root is πᾶς (pas). says of πᾶς: When used without the articles, it means, "every kind or variety." When used with the article, it means "whole or the totality of persons or things referred to." Analytical Lexicon of the Greek New Testament (Friberg) Without the article… with distributive significance, denoting each individual in a class The word all in the verse has no article so it means "ALL KINDS OF MEN", so it isn't talking about every single man (universalism), it just denotes a broad spectrum. The notes of the translators in the Dutch Bible are correct [allen tot Mij Dat is, niet alleen de Joden, maar ook de heidenen, die in mij zullen geloven; Joh. 2:14,15. he drove THEM ALL out of the temple. Rev. 5: 9, And have redeemed US to God by Your blood OUT OF EVERY TRIBE AND TONGUE AND PEOPLE AND NATION, [IT DOES SAY NOT ALL] 10 And have made us kings and priests to our God; God the Father does not reconcile all and every human being throughout the world and from all times to Himself by Christ’s Sacrifice. it appears from experience, as well as that he has not prayed for all and for every human being, to the Father. Joh 17: 9, but ONLY FOR THOSE WHO BELIEVE IN HIM; Joh. 17:20. NOW THE QUESTION: Is it important, to belief that Christ died for the Elect only and not for all men? Not at all, however it becomes important if it goes hand in hand with the denial of predestination. Why? It is Scriptural. It is clear from this Scripture: Romans 9 (for the children not yet being born, nor having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to ELECTION might stand, not of works but of Him who calls), Romans 9:12 it was said to her, “The older shall serve the younger.” 13 As it is written, “Jacob I have loved, but Esau I have hated.” There will be no-one in Hell that Christ died for. Ephesians 2:8-9 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast. Grace is one of the two main reasons of Salvation, Grace is God’s work in us without us. The other is Faith It is God’s work in us but not without us. Those that deny this have never been born again. Because if they were, they would know.
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@@randycadkins Thanks Randy They call reformed "Calvinist". Why????? Why not Tyndalelist. 99.999 % of reformed people never read anything of Calvin. The Bible is enough of understanding the Supremacy Of God if you have not set your mind against it. A sermon of Jonathan Edwards: sinners in the Hands of an angry God" Started a revival. Not an eye was dry in the church. Word got out It started the Evangelical Revival 1740 also called The Great Awakening. It was a reformed evangelical movement. It was not of men but of the Lord.
@@MariusVanWoerden I dont know much about Tyndale, but good things, I love Johnathan Edwards, I quote him quite often, I have that sermon sitting on my desk where I study, but I agree that the Bible has always said, what Calvin finally pinned on paper, it's nothing new, but has been true forever. And yes, God did a mighty work absolutely from the Lord
May I ask how you respond to Romans 9? "Vessels of Wrath and Vessels of Mercy?" I am trying to receive a humble, genuinely thought out response. Not hateful bashing.
The vessels of wrath are being fitted to destruction because of their own sin and rebellion. God is patient with them, giving them time to repent. The vessels of mercy are saved by God's grace through faith in Christ. They were prepared beforehand, thus indicating God's determinate council and foreknowledge. God predestined the vessels of mercy for salvation. The key point is that grace is resistible. The vessels of wrath resist God's grace. The vessels of mercy also resist God's grace, but God saves them by grace anyway. It sounds illogical, but this avoids the pitfalls of calvinism and the errors of arminianism.
its about Gods glory not man's. God ordains and uses various means to do His purpose. This is difficult I understand if you are centered on yourself. We are dead in our sin, period. God opens our hearts to the gospel and we believe.
I wonder if he has logically thought through the implications of rejecting the sovereignty of God. Let's say it together everyone "The only consistent Armenian is an open theist."
@@sonofnun1917 He is not rejecting the sovereignty of God. He is rejecting the reformed/Calvenistic definition of sovereignty (aka divine determinism).
The focus is only on self is for this reason, if God is making the ultimate choice and decision on what a person does that person can't be held responsible for their action. That is a huge problem because it puts the responsibility for evil on God.
Predestination was the subject that Wesley and Whitfield couldn't come together on. Wesley refused to "give in" and go along with the false doctrines generated by the false interpretation of Scripture. So they went their separate ways. They did patch things up later in life but Wesley held his ground with correct reading of the Scriptures.
Baltic Hammer James White and Michael Brown also disagree on the subject of predestination and other things. In fact, they have a debate on UA-cam about the same subject. Yet they both consider one another to be brothers in the Lord. It shows that individuals can disagree about secondary theological issues and still embrace each other as brothers. No one is saved by the acceptance of or rejection of Calvinistic theology. Although George Whitefield disagreed with John Wesley on some theological matters, he was careful not to create problems in public that could be used to hinder the preaching of the gospel. When someone asked Whitefield if he thought he would see Wesley in heaven, Whitefield replied, “I fear not, for he will be so near the eternal throne and we at such a distance, we shall hardly get sight of him.”
Yes the Calvinist god is merciful by punishing by torture those he forced to commit the very sins he came up with! Good job Baucham Sproul, Calvin, MacArthur, Washer, Piper. No wonder millions flock to the merciful Calvin god! The real God of Creation said this of His love for all man and the Created Universe. Psalms 145:9 The Lord is good to ALL; he has compassion on ALL he has made. Little different from the evil cruel god of calvinism isn't it? The real Jesus said in John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 1 Timothy 2 : 3-6 This is good, and pleases God our Savior, 4 who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself as a ransom for all people. Calvinist god followers say that their god blinds the eyes of the Non-elect so they cannot see or understand the gospel. Yet it is they who have been blinded by Satan. Satan has blinded the eyes of those who are perishing. Satan leads the whole World astray. Nothing makes people hate God faster than Calvinism. Nothing turns people into Atheists faster than Calvinism! Nothing kills hope and love faster than Calvinism! Yet they are wise in their own eyes and lost in their souls and hearts.They gather around themselves those who speak the same lie! Wake up and turn to God who loves you . "Repent and be Baptized before your life is spent and there is no more hope for you! This can be the day of your salvation. In Love!
Amennnn... This is what the Lord has been showing me about the doctrine of predestination also. It's such a stumbling block for those who would enter in to the Kingdom 😔
@@jesuscalledandianswered Thank you. We MUST trust the Holy Spirit to keep us safe from the Devil's schemes. God promises real Christians that He will not let us be tempted beyond what we can endure and will show us a way out. I wrote a small piece that I thought you might benefit from explaining what Predestination really means. Predestination example 1: Its kind of like this. A man’s wife is finally pregnant and the couple are over joyed. I hope it is a boy the man said and I hope he will be interested in becoming an electrician like me. I also hope he goes into the trade and if he does, I plan for him to take over the family business some day! But I know that these plans that I have made for him, before one of his days of life begin will be entirely up to my son. I cannot force him, I cannot put a gun to his head, I can only encourage and guide him and hope. In other word’s the man has predestined a plan for his son, He has chosen a plan for his son. He has elected to give all this to his son if he so desires it! Outcome 1 The baby is born and it is a boy. He is interested in his fathers work and goes to electrical trade school, but drops out and becomes a lawyer instead. Outcome 2 He drops out of school becomes a bum, a drunk or a murderer etc. Outcome 3 The son follows his fathers predestinated plan, through trade school and takes over his father’s business. The fathers predestined plans for his son will happen, or will not happen, according to the choices the son makes. Its the same with mankind. There is a master plan given to every human being to know God, reach salvation and eternity in Heaven. But to follow or reject the plan is the choice given to every individual. This is the "Good News Gospel" that the Angels proclaimed when the Messiah was born. Satan has attacked that message from the beginning, twisting it into what is now known as Calvinism or the doctrine of election. Predestination example 2: Grandma saves and saves to buy her granddaughter a plane ticket to France. She has been saving for many years and the day finally arrived and she gave her granddaughter her special gift. The granddaughter goes to the airport and asks the attendant which plane to get on. The attendant says, what is your destination on your ticket? He reads the ticket which says “Destination France.” He also said that flight 446 is a modern jet that was especially built and destined by the airline to fly exclusively to France for its entire service life. So, this aircraft has been predestined to fly to a predestined location, France. The girl gets on the plane and is now destined to travel to France on the predestined plane, that has been predestined by its designers, to reach its predestined, destination! This girl will arrive at her predestined trip that her grandmother predestined years before, as long as she goes to the airport, gets on the right plane and stays on the plane! All this took place by the choices the granddaughter made. Predestination example 3: "The man on an island." Imagine a man has been taken to a desolate island with everything he needs to survive and given only a Bible to occupy his time. This man has no preconceived idea about religion so everything he will learn over the next 10 years he will get directly from the Bible and Gods leading. The man accepts God’s plan of salvation and what he has learned from the Bible. He repents and is born again. The Holy Spirit is now counselling the man from the inside. He studies intensely for the 10 years growing in his faith and walking closer and closer with God daily. After 10 years he comes back to the mainland world and decides he needs to fellowship with other Christians as the Bible says he should. The man approaches a number of different churches and looks through the windows from the outside and says to himself “What are they doing in there what are they saying about God? How do you think this man will compare what he knows to be true, from what he sees going on in the mainline churches today? Do you think he will find what the mainline denominations are teaching will be in harmony to what this true follower of Jesus Christ has learned? You know it won’t be! It then occurred to me that I am that man. I became a Christian in the winter of 1980 and didn’t go to any church for 10 years. I studied on my own directly from the Bible. I did go to some Bible studies, but basically learned directly by Gods leading. TRUTH IN LOVE
I have, in 3 days learned of 2 suicides by young men, sons of hard-hearted Calvinists who are more concerned with being "right" than following Christ/ Mashiak's command to love and nurture them. My heart is broken.
That's The Spirit of Calvin at work. In my research I've seen nothing in Jean Cauvin that is worthy of praise or admiration. The followers of his system have fallen into the trap of the most man-centered theocracy in the world. Everything thing was about Jean Cauvin and what he thought. Why else would Cauvin demand the Geneva councils declare Cauvin as the voice of God???? Why else would Cauvin demand the Geneva councils declare his writings as Holy Writ???? The honest answers to those two questions should send a shiver of fear through those who have followed and fallen in Cauvin's footsteps.
@ Anthony Moscato... Ah, bro, tough stuff, man. I too have a personal story to this asinine Calvinism militant doctrine. I absolutely detest it with every fiber of my being.
You can't blame Calvinism for that. You can easily point out bad stuff from Arminians too. It sounds like unbelievers to me. I know many good and godly Calvinists. You're so wrapped in tribalism that you demonize your Christian Brothers and sisters.
“For everything in the world-the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life-comes not from the Father but from the world.” 1 John 2:16
As a Calvinist I wouldn’t evangelize saying “God loves you sent Jesus to die for you” I’d say “Repent and be forgiven.” The ones in whom God works will repent, but the ones who are bad soil will harden their hearts.
I would love to hear Dr Brown dialogue with Dr Piper on this issue. Both very well respected in their own fields, both extraordinarily eloquent, humble yet brilliant men, and both passionate for their position on God's sovereignty as it relates to human will.
Everything that happens in history has been decreed/Predestined before the world was created see Eph 1:11, Proverbs 16:33 and Amos 3:6. And yes even when terrible things happen, I know it's hard for some people to accept but look what happened when David sinned against God and one of Davids punishments was that God told him that he was going to use Davids own son to shame his Father by Absalom Absalom doing something immoral to his Fathers concubines in front of all of Israel, see 2 Samuel 12:11-12 God said "Thus says the Lord, ‘Behold, I will raise up evil against you from your own household; I will even take your wives before your eyes and give them to your companion, and he will lie with your wives in broad daylight. Indeed you did it secretly, but I will do this thing before all Israel, and under the sun." Notice how God said "I WILL DO THIS THING."That was fulfilled in 2 Samuel 16:21-22. Jesus did not die for every single person ever and Jesus didn't die to make people savable. He died to save his elect. In John 17:9 Jesus said that he does not pray for the world. The word world is used in different contexts, in that context he's talking about the non elect. In John 3:16 world means that he purchased people from every tribe, tongue and nation Rev 5:9 and for the children of God scattered abroad John 11:52. Some have been "long beforehand marked out for condemnation" Jude 4 and "appointed to doom." 1 Peter 2:8. About Pharaoh God said “For this VERY PURPOSE I raised you up, to demonstrate My power in you, and that My name might be proclaimed throughout the whole earth.” So then He has mercy on whom He desires, and He hardens whom He desires." Rom 9:17-18. Jesus said "I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and intelligent and have revealed them to infants. Yes, Father, for this way was well-pleasing in Your sight. All things have been handed over to Me by My Father; and no one knows the Son except the Father; nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and anyone to whom the Son wills to reveal Him." Matthew 11:25-27. So, 2 Pet 3:9 the "not willing that any should perish" if you read that letter in context, 2 Pet 1:1 says "To those who have received a faith of the same kind as ours." As far as salvation for all men verses, Paul was refuting the false notion of his time that God was only desiring to save just the Jews and 1 Tim 2:2 says to pray "for kings and all who are in authority" because as humans WE DON'T KNOW WHO THE ELECT ARE SO WE PRAY FOR EVERYONE! That's what it means in verse 4 by saying "all men." Amos 3:2 God said "of all the nations of the earth I have only known you." For centuries God passed over the majority of humankind because this verse isn't about knowledge it's about relationship. And it isn't because God foresaw Israel was more righteous then the other nations because sometimes Israel was more sinful then the pagan nations see 2 Kings 21:9. Only those who were predestined to be saved will be see Acts 13:48, Ephesians 1:4-5, Eph 1:11, Romans 9:11-23, John 6:37. 1 Samuel 3:14 God said “Therefore I have sworn to the house of Eli that the iniquity of Eli’s house shall not be atoned for by sacrifice or offering forever.” That's Limited atonement.
Romans 9:14 What shall we say then? There is no injustice with God, is there? May it never be! 15 For He says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.” 16 So then it does not depend on the man who wills or the man who runs, but on God who has mercy. 17 For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I raised you up, to demonstrate My power in you, and that My name might be proclaimed throughout the whole earth.” 18 So then He has mercy on whom He desires, and He hardens whom He desires. 19 You will say to me then, “Why does He still find fault? For who resists His will?” 20 On the contrary, who are you, O man, who answers back to God? The thing molded will not say to the molder, “Why did you make me like this,” will it? 21 Or does not the potter have a right over the clay, to make from the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for common use? 22 What if God, although willing to demonstrate His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction? 23 And He did so to make known the riches of His glory upon vessels of mercy, which He prepared beforehand for glory
Christian Praise and Worship in Songs, Sermons, and Audio Books amen God will have mercy on whom He will have mercy. So the question we must ask ourselves is WHO does God sovereignly choose to have mercy on as clearly revealed in His Word? Do you know? If He chooses to have mercy on all in Romans 11:32 then who are you O man to question him? Can the clay talk back to the potter? *The big question is WHO does God have mercy on based on what He’s told us in His word. Don’t assume that this verse means we have no clue who He has mercy on as Calvinists do. Who is the God that we know based on the REVEALED CHARACTER of God in scripture? ...Paul is quoting from Exodus 33:9 when he says “For He says to Moses...” We must go back to this Exodus account and read exactly what took place. God didn’t arbitrarily for no reason show mercy to certain people choosing them for no reason over others. We need to look at what just finished happening. ...According to Romans 11:32 we see the conclusion of Romans 9-11 that God might have mercy on ALL IF they believe; 32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, THAT HE MIGHT HAVE MERCY UPON ALL. ...Such an incredible plan of salvation that we can agree with Paul in the end of Romans 11 marvelling at the way God chose to accomplish His purpose in election! He’s not marvelling because of a false belief that some weren’t chosen for salvation. No, it’s actually the exact opposite. Right after Paul declares the mercy for ALL he’s marvelling at how God chose to accomplish this after just explaining it all to the readers. How God accomplished it through hardening and through jealousy and it was all ultimately through mercy. Truly incredible depths of wisdom and knowledge to come up with and use such a plan! His purpose in election all along was INCLUSIVE. Only when we can fully grasp this will we be able to exclaim with Paul: ROMANS 11:33 11 O THE DEPTH OF THE RICHES BOTH OF THE WISDOM AND KNOWLEDGE OF GOD! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!
“Because inconsistency is a sign of a failed argument” saith James White. It is telling when someone conveniently changes their hermeneutical approach depending on the subject discussed.
@@CaldwellApologetics I remember James White saying that God wanted the Holocaust to happen. That he decreed it and therefore wanted it to happen. Same thing with the sex trafficking in Texas.
I don’t know what bible are you people reading, The one I read, KJV, from Genesis to Revelation, declares God’s choice, from Abraham to the 144 thousands. How can I have my name in the book of life, that was written before the foundation of the world? How can all my days being numbered? How can He choose me to do something in my mother’s womb? And the worst one: How can one believe in a omnipresent, omniscient and omnipotent God?
tony roy So I am the “confused” one, and you are making the judgment. I never claim to be a “ doctor “ on anything. Very spiritual, of you. Heb.5:12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.” For the children, milk NOT solid food, Can’t take!
tony roy In plain English: Rom.8:28-30 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. 29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. 30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
I sure am glad you got that a KJV part right. Jesus hung on that cross to give us the KJV. God literally only speaks in King James English. That's why the Jews couldn't be saved. Don't even pay attention to the testimony of Martha in John 11:27. All those billions of Chinese trying to get saved reading those old mandarin speaking bibles. If God really loved them He would have let them learn 17th century English.
Reveals Gods choice for “WHAT”? That’s the question you’re failing to ask. Nowhere in scripture does it say God chooses an unbeliever unconditionally to become a believer. Yes God’s choice is all throughout the scriptures but that’s light years apart from God choosing people to salvation unconditionally.
Both sides can be very complexed. The way I see it from studying the scriptures. We're born sinners. That mean we are dead in our trespasses and Sins. How are we made alive?? Obvs by the Holy spirit IN Christ. But then I study at the other side and at the same time, it's as if* we have also been given a choice to choose. Because one, we have been given a responsibility. And two, God is also sovereign. Did Judas have the choice to go out and do what he did? Sure. But at the same time, God worked through that so the scriptures could be fulfilled. Not saying God tempts evil. But that God works himself through what we call evil. And God means it for good.
Teddy Love's Clare Was Paul born spiritually dead?.... Rom 7: 9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died. 10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death. 11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
@@theshakter You literally just ignored the passage of scripture that was presented to you. Pail says he was ALVE once and you’re completely rejecting that and saying Paul was wrong in saying that? Paul is directly against your opinion.
Released From the Law, Bound to Christ 7 Do you not know, brothers and sisters-for I am speaking to those who know the law-that the law has authority over someone only as long as that person lives? 2 For example, by law a married woman is bound to her husband as long as he is alive, but if her husband dies, she is released from the law that binds her to him. 3 So then, if she has sexual relations with another man while her husband is still alive, she is called an adulteress. But if her husband dies, she is released from that law and is not an adulteress if she marries another man. 4 So, my brothers and sisters, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God. 5 For when we were in the realm of the flesh,[a] the sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in us, so that we bore fruit for death. 6 But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code. The Law and Sin 7 What shall we say, then? Is the law sinful? Certainly not! Nevertheless, I would not have known what sin was had it not been for the law. For I would not have known what coveting really was if the law had not said, “You shall not covet.”[b] 8 But sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, produced in me every kind of coveting. For apart from the law, sin was dead. 9 Once I was alive apart from the law; but when the commandment came, sin sprang to life and I died. 10 I found that the very commandment that was intended to bring life actually brought death. 11 For sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, deceived me, and through the commandment put me to death. 12 So then, the law is holy, and the commandment is holy, righteous and good. 13 Did that which is good, then, become death to me? By no means! Nevertheless, in order that sin might be recognized as sin, it used what is good to bring about my death, so that through the commandment sin might become utterly sinful. 14 We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin. 15 I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. 16 And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. 17 As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. 18 For I know that good itself does not dwell in me, that is, in my sinful nature.[c] For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. 19 For I do not do the good I want to do, but the evil I do not want to do-this I keep on doing. 20 Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it. 21 So I find this law at work: Although I want to do good, evil is right there with me. 22 For in my inner being I delight in God’s law; 23 but I see another law at work in me, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within me. 24 What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body that is subject to death? 25 Thanks be to God, who delivers me through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God’s law, but in my sinful nature[d] a slave to the law of sin.
Calvin's version of Predestination places God at the scene of every crime in human history. Removing the created being's ability to respond to God freely, according to the object's own will, desire, and intellect, through a doctrine such as Calvinism, renders God as unable to feel His nature reflected and developed in the object of his creation, and does not enhance God's glory. As Reinhard Bonnke said, paraphrasing, 'God can look out of the windows of our eyes and people can see Jesus in us', If He chooses. We may also be aware when God is doing this. But God can't do this if we are living like the devil. God is not a micromanager or a fortune teller. He is not the immortal dualist God of iniquity.
1Cor. 1 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men. 26 ¶ For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called: 27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty; 28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are: 29 That no flesh should glory in his presence. Choices, numbered, NOT MANY! Sovereignty of God.
This passage prices reformed theology is from the pits of hell thanks for sharing. The foolishness of God is wiser than the wisdom of reformed theology. In reformed theology God unconditionally chooses but in this passage there’s a clear condition.
Dr Brown, this is a verse I really don’t like; what did Jesus mean when he said “many are called but few are CHOSEN”? notice he did not say few are responding to the call..
This is a straw man. Arminianists and other people who reject Calvanism believe that God predestines people, but not in the same way Calvanists do. Peter 1:1-2 and Romans 8:29 state that God chooses the saved *based* on his foreknowledge. The Bible is clear that people have free will to choose Jesus or reject Him. God looks into the future and knows exactly who will ultimately choose Him in the end, therefore He chooses them those people to be the elect. In this view of God's predestination, there is room for freewill of the human. In fact, God's predestination is *based* on the humans choice. But Calvanism teaches that God ordains what a person choices are. No matter how much Calvanists will try to convince you that they *do* believe in freewill of the human, there is simply no room for freewill to fit in the doctrine. In Calvanism, humans are simply God's puppets and pre-programmed robots to do everything He destined them to do, without choosing anything for themselves. In Calvanism, every human on earth essentially doesn't use their brain to choose between salvation and damnation, instead God is controlling their minds and the choices they make from Heaven.
So, yes, God's chosen do ultimately make the choice for themselves to accept Jesus into their hearts. Notice in the verse how it makes the distinction between calling and being chosen. God calls all to Him, but few will accept Him.
Dr Brown jumping from John 3:16 to John 17 (or 1 John) to define world is just one reason to question his diligence on this topic. That's NOT how you approach a biblical text, even if the definition was the same in another part of the Bible. That kind of methodology is as faulty as homosexual activists misusing 1 Cor 11 to define nature in Romans 1, and he should know better. Furthermore, and ironically (Dr Brown chose the chapter), the repetition of a holy action by God Jesus gives in John 17 (ie. "you gave them to me") is a strong argument against what Dr Brown is presenting here. The initiative for faith clearly comes from the Father, not subject to the whims of man.
i can understand the Depravity of Man as sinners ,and im in agreement with calvanists that by himself no man can gain Salvation . So according to SCripture God gives man grace so as to seek him as Paul stated in acts 17-30 .And Thats why Jesus can say -For God so loved his creation that Whosoever comes to HIm thru Jesus can have eternal life.Jesus himself pleads with many ,even Pharasees to turn to Him. and Many it says in johns gospel do turn. i was even surprised when i read it about the many. Jesus says to the pharasees and jewish leaders if you do NOt believe that I am HE,you shall die in your sins,He goes on to say ,i say these things so that you MIght be SAVED an i did not need a human witness ( the Baptist) ,He did many miracles so they all had no excuse to come.Here we have clear Scripture that ALL can come to God and turn Greek metanoia Repent.God Commands men to Repent.Calvanists have it wrong.They must negate so many scriptures to fit thier narrative.
"Jesus said, "if you've seen me you've seen the Father." Jesus is the will of God in action. He is the word of God made flesh. He is the heart of God in human form. You want to know what the father is like? Look at Him." Man. I just want to do a study on the character of God through Jesus. I know it wasn't the point of this session. But for some reason that really wrecked me.
2 Peter 2:1 [1] But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction. (ESV) No calvanist can answer this. False teachers DENYING THE MASTER WHO BOUGHT THEM. That means 1: Jesus died for ALL. 2: that man can still choose to deny Jesus. Calvanism destroyed.
I love Dr. Brown, but calvinists do not teach that GOD decreed, made a decision for every step of man. He knows where is the next step going to be, but that is not forcing anything.
Yeshua Saves Not so. You can be all powerful yet be compassionate and loving. You don’t have to make him out to be the caveman character that thinks a woman on the head to drag her back home to be his wife. Is that the kind of power you’re thinking of? That caveman could have been just as powerful yet chose to try to win that woman’s heart over through his goodness. Rom 2: 4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?
Ernestas, yes, Calvanism teaches exactly that. I'm assuming you identify as a Calvanist? You better actually know what Calvanism teaches before professing to believe it.
@@evanu6579 I am not going to argue with you you post alot on other videos and I see you get dismantled. Yes your view God is powerless and Jesus blood is powerless.
I have respect for men like john Piper and R C Sproul. Both do well at defending the faith. While they have rightly taught the Holiness of God they have presented Him as (almost) un-approachable.
Romans 10:9-13 is explicit in saying that confessing and believing precedes salvation. James 1:13 is explicit that God does not tempt anyone with evil. If He does not even tempt anyone with evil, I cannot see how He would determine human evil.
Well you're wrong! If Jesus died for everyone in the whole WOOOOORLD, then those in hell would be paying for their sins TWICE, and that would be unjust. So Brown and Flowers are in error.
@@silversurfer2703 john piper and voddie and paul washer and sproul was the ones that got me into calvinism..i love all of them and their powerful preachers but i guess i was just predestined to come back out of it and believe that God loves everyone the same and wants all to come to repentance and has allowed all the ability to be able to respond...i can look at people now and genuinely say God loves you and died for you and wants you to repent, humble yourself and surrender to him...ill pray for you and you pray for me that the Holy spirit guides us into all truth..God bless you brother
@@themotorcycleguy5980 have you ever thought about why you accepted Christ while others reject him??? What is it about you? Are you more intelligent or more spiritual? What is it about you? But yes I'll pray for you and your can do the same for me.
Calvinism added much to the faith but unfortunately Calvin and his cronies did not understand certain things. Just like Luther, we owe much to both but not all their teaching is correct. we owe a lot to Baptists as well at least they did not try and make religion a state thing. So with free men studying the Bible we entered into a better understanding and more liberty. Thank you dr.Brown
Most Christians, including Calvinist, don't understand the sacrifice that Jesus made on the cross. Scripture says Jesus gave his life as a ransom for many (not all). He offers salvation for "the whole world" does not mean every human being, but that his salvation was not just for Israel but all places in the world geographically. When Jesus died on the cross for our sins, he made a new covenant for his true followers. He was able to send the Holy Spirit to transform us to righteousness and conquer the flesh nature to set us free from the practice of sin, and it's desires. I think it is possibly even blasphemy against the Holy Spirit when people deny the power of the Holy Spirit to transform us to righteousness. The Apostle Paul said that we are not in the flesh if the Holy Spirit lives in us. 2 Corinthians 10:3 Paul also tells us that we have been set free from sinful desires: "For though we walk in the flesh, we are not waging war according to the flesh." Isaiah 53:5 says: "But he was pierced for our transgressions; he was crushed for our iniquities; upon him was the chastisement that brought us peace, and with his wounds WE ARE HEALED." Before Jesus came, the law that people lived under could not conquer the flesh nature. That is why people had to sacrifice animals repeatedly. The cleansing that God provides is not temporary. It is permanent. When he cleanses us from ALL sin, we are made righteous. Hebrews 7:27 says: "He (Jesus) has no need, like those high priests, to offer sacrifices daily, first for his own sins and then for those of the people, since he did this once for all when he offered up himself." When Christians repent of their sins daily they don't have the Holy Spirit. They are still living under the Old Covenant, because they can't get clean. Many Christians mock the Holy Spirit by saying it is impossible to conquer the flesh nature and stop sinning. They don't believe. They are watering down and diminishing the power of the Holy Spirit in their own minds & in the minds of others. They are mocking the miracle of transformation that brings us Salvation. People flock to false religion due to the corruption in their hearts. False Christians will dilligently search their bibles looking for loopholes to sin. 1 Peter 2:24 confirms that it is possible to stop sinning: "He himself bore our sins” in his body on the cross, so that we might die to sins and live for righteousness; “by his wounds you have been healed.” When we are healed from the bondage of sin, it is permanent. "If the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed." Scripture describes false converts as continuing in sin, because they deny the power of the Holy Spirit. 2 Timothy 3:5 "Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away." Scripture gives a strong warning of eternal damnation to those who reject the New Covenant by sinning: Hebrews 10:28-29 "Anyone who has rejected Moses' law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace?" God's grace does not free us to sin. It does not cover continued sin or future sins. It does not forgive deliberate sin. It frees us from sin. Ungodly Christians reject the gift of righteousness that God offers. False Christians cling to a doctrine of demons that tells them they get to keep their sins, and there is no penalty. This is much more appealing to false converts than the thought of giving up their sins. John 3:36 jesus said, "Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him." If people can't understand the clear language that Jesus used, perhaps their hearts have become hardened. God, in his wisdom, does not leave us in a sinful condition, because over time, sin destroys the human conscience. When this happens, they are lost. We can see evidence of a darkened conscience and a hardened heart when people mock and ridicule the precious gift that Jesus gave up his life to bring to us so that we can recieve righteousness that is required for Salvation. When Christians reject the New Covenant, Jesus will reject them, and they will have to pay the full penalty that that the Law always required for disobedience under the Old Covenant. That means eternal damnation.
I’m no scholar but I feel like we’re reading our presuppositions into these passages. Jesus Himself condemns those opposed to Him, He says no one can come to Him unless the Father who has sent Him draws them. Only those who are part of the flock hear the Shepherd’s voice. Is God not allowed to choose from His creation who He wishes to save? Because the alternative is that we are the ones doing all the work by humbling ourselves and choosing God over our sin and selfishness. I think the former is more consistently backed up by the whole of scripture. Not just random proof texts interpreted eisegetically. Hope God removes this blind spot for you Dr Brown. Take care.
The problem is either position not one of the other. Both end up with people in (whatever you wish to class as) hell. Either by design of by inability. He desires to save all but obviously doesn't manage it.
If God is not sovereign over all things, then He is not God. God has a specific purpose only known to him why He allows things like for example Satan. I would like to ask Dr brown that if God knew what Satan would do, #1 could he have stopped him from being created, #2 could he have stopped him from doing what he did in his rebellion , #3 why didn't he? This is the arminian and semi Pelagian problem that they cannot answer with their doctrine. Can God prevent someone from sinning? Are there examples in the Bible of God preventing people from sinning (overruling free will?) In acts chapter 4, after the apostles speak about the crucifixion of Jesus, the most sinful thing that humans did in the history of the world.. who ultimately predestined it? It was God. These are hard truths but they are biblical truths.
God has, in his sovereign decree, given us free will because that is what God has chosen to do. The problems you face are much worse because for us, God allowed Satan of his own free will to be evil. According to you, he forced him to be evil. You ask if God allowed satan to be evil and the answer is yes. You ask why. I will give you the same answer Calvinists give us. For "a specific purpose only known to him." If you have a problem with Gods decision to give us free will, then you shake your fist at the creator. You are a pot arguing with the potter. Not us.
@@adenjones1802 sir, free will is free but it's corrupted by the fall. Free to do evil and rebel against God because it is corrupted. The Bible says we were en enemies of God - colossians 1:21. Repentance is pleasing to God before he saved us , but he's the one that causes us to repent 2 Timothy 2:25 because repentance is a Good work and cannot be accomplished by man's lack of goodness (corruption) . It is and act of God :Roman's 8:8 says they that are in the flesh or unsaved cannot please God.
@@clom801 Oh, you misunderstand me. I don't believe in the inerrancy of the bible. I have come to believe in Jesus because of rationality, not the bible. Not a single bible verse has ever convinced me to come to Christ. Logic, reason and the holy spirit did. I think the bible is wrong here. If it even is saying what you think it is saying. And no, the holy spirit does not testify of these verses. Also, no I am not denying the bible because it teaches Calvinism. I am denying the bible because it teaches that God is imperfect and makes mistakes. If you don't believe me see Exodus 32:14, Genesis 6:6 and numbers 23:19. I will never believe that any book is inerrant if it claims God is imperfect. I would rather die. There is no reason God would have made us if we don't have free will. You will say that he made us for his personal glorification. That doesn't make sense as it implies he is currently at an incomplete level of glorification and needs us to glorify him further than what he already is. I can tell you now that God does not need us to glorify him. He is already glorified. He created us out of a love for us and so we can take part of creation. Not so we can be predestined to burn in hell. The bible may very well teach Calvinism for all I care. But you can never back it up with reason. I can back up my belief in Christ with reason.
@@adenjones1802 there's no reason to debate then sir. You have built your house on sand and have no solid foundation without the truth of the Bible. The Holy Spirit uses the word of if God to communicate truth to us.
@@clom801 So you were too scared to read the verses I referenced then. I suppose if you want to affirm a gospel that denies the perfection of God thats your business. Good luck on judgement day when you have to answer for that. It doesn't matter. If I built my house on sand it was what God preordained me to do right?
As i live says the LORD, i take no pleasure in the death of the wicked. Calvinism says God is glorified through people's suffering in hell, but actually glorifying God PLEASES Him, so calvinist are literally saying God does take pleasure in the death of the wicked, that is satanic, only satan would do that.
The moment you throw something like that to a Calvinist, they'll not make any delay in running to Deuteronomy 29:29 or Their all time favourite, Romans 9:19 and use them to justify the obvious contradiction. And when probed more, they will say something like "well, why don't you have a go at explaining the infinite mind of GOD" because they have this sort of perverted thinking that they can believe anything they want and then when they cannot defend what is obviously wrong, they'll just scrounge for verses like Deu. 29:29 or Romans 9 out of context, and throw it up before you
Arminianism/Pelagianism distorts the sovereignty of God. In the Arminian/Pelagian universe, random acts of evil are happening all the time without any overarching purposes.
Dustin Paulson Can you answer the comments/answers given to Michael in this comment thread by Christian brothers who answer it biblically? The answer is right there in God's word, plain as day. Here is my/Paul's/God's answer to one of his and many Arminians/synergists objections to the doctrine of election and predestination unto salvation and unto damnation; also known as "double predestination", NOT "equal ultimacy". A distinction made by White and other Calvinists many, many times and yet still ignored by Arminians/synergists. The answer is given to us, just one example, by Paul in Romans 9. The Arminian/synergist asks the very question that Paul asks using a literary tool called an interlocutor. Paul, knowing the doctrine and the tension that comes with it, poses an objector in verses 14 "What shall we say then? Is there injustice on God's part", Paul's answer to the objector/interlocutor (still verse 14) "By no means!" And again Paul brings an objector using the interlocutor again in verse 19, "You will say to me then, 'Why does he still find fault? For who can resist his will?'" Paul's/God's answer, "But who are you, O man, to answer back to God." Now I know you don't like those answers. Even as Calvinists, they don't satisfy our fallen, human minds. But there it is in God's word and Calvinists refuse to bring God down to mans understand and put him in the box of fallen mans intellec and understanding. We don't claim to know HOW this is but we do clearly see it in God's word and therefor we believe it.
Re. Romans 9, of course God hardened Pharaoh BECAUSE Pharaoh kept resisting God. If I put clay and butter out in the sun, one will become hard, and the other soft. So it was with the judgments God poured out on Pharaoh. Each one made his heart harder. We can choose to become the butter or the clay! God commands us repeatedly to soften our hearts! Romans 9:25-33 are about God's mercy. Who is denying God's mercy? The Calvinist, who says God doesn't want most people to be saved.
@@FRN2013 Verse 22 shows that your interpretation of the passage is incorrect. The objector is asking God, "Why do you still find fault in Pharaoh aka any of those whom you choose not to show your mercy to (verse 15 and verse 18) aka vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, (verse 22) when it's not according to their own human will or exertion, BUT it's according to God who chooses to show mercy to whom he wills and he chooses to created vessels of wrath (as we already saw,) why does he create vessels of wrath? verse 17, "For THIS VERY PURPOSE I (God) have raised you up, that I (God) might show my power in you(meaning show his wrath verse 22), and to what end, verse 17 and 22 that God's power will be made known on earth and also that to make known the riches of God's glory for the vesselse of mercy, which where prepared when?, "before hand, even us (those who God has saved, those who are apart of the elect all over the world.
Calvinism is based on HUMAN philosophy and as such it interprets the scriptures through a fogged distorted and imperfect lens while on the other hand , an spiritually guided (Holy Spirit) interpretation can not be defined in human philosophical terms, spiritually inspired texts must and ONLY can be interpreted spiritually with the guidance of the Holy Spirit!. That's exactly why calvinism is full of theological errors and huge misconceptions of God's nature which leads to a distorted view of God's plan of redemption and salvation, calvinism is NOT the gospel plain and simple!.
If I had the time I would rewrite the bible. God does not need my adoration or glorification but God deserves my admiration for many reasons. I believe we are meant to be happy as I am sure Jesus was. The word of God can evolve if we allow it in steed of having false conceptions.
Romans 9:21-22 ESV - Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use? What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath PREPARED for destruction, Isaiah 55:8-9 ESV - For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, declares the LORD. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts.
I heard your message ( Why Calvinism does not reflect the nature and Character of God ? ) I agree with what you had to say. I too have shared with others the same message. God bless you Dr. Brown for speaking God's truth. ( Jamie ) .
If God is omniscient than wouldn’t He know ahead of time who would choose Him and who would reject Him? This issue is difficult for me to wrap my head around, because yes, he does grieve for us who sin and reject Him. Forgive me, I only got saved almost 3 months ago so I am very new to this. Thanks for this video.
He would know that in His infinite wisdom and knowledge; you are correct. Yet knowing that, He still made a way for ALL people to receive salvation through Jesus Christ because of His infinite love. What Dr. Brown is addressing is the Calvinist teaching that only SOME were meant to receive salvation while the rest were created to perish - kinda like saying some are on the guest list, others are not, and the list can’t be changed. The Bible clearly states that God desires that ALL come to repentance.
I appreciate your ministry Dr. Brown, but I respectfully disagree with your handling of the text specifically the meaning of “world” in John’s gospel and epistles. Also historic Reformed theology does not posit that “world” in John 3:16 means the elect.
OneFabFisher There is no need to argue with Dr. Brown being knowledgeable of Koine Greek he already knows these details but he is being led by his traditions not the exegesis of the text. No one is attacking Dr. Brown, my dear brother in the Lord, just encouraging him to be consistent with the handling of the text.
Dr. James White has addressed Dr. Brown on the 7/22/2019 Radio Free Geneva podcast. God's prescriptive will and God's declarative will. Reformed theologians have wrestled with the same questions Dr. Brown asks......but the Reformed have written books about their positions. Dr. White calls on Dr. Brown to declare WHAT position he is taking rather than continue to slide here and slide there.
The ultimate answer is found in the life and death of our Saviour. Did God ordain that He should be rejected...... yes. Was He rejected..... yes. God ordained that He should be killed by crucifixion..... was He killed by crucifixion...... yes. You can see where this is going so the answer is that God ordains all things that come to pass and no event in history was more evil than the only innocent person in history being brutally killed at the hands of wicked men and YET God is not the author of evil and man is FULLY responsible..... Yet it was ordained to come to pass..... Both are true, what we have is a paradox. Paul puts it best at the end of Romans 11 when he says; ‘.... who can know the mind of the Lord?’ It’s a rhetorical question.
This is the ultimate stance of Calvinism. God ordains evil, yet it pains him. God wishes all to come to repentance, yet he predestines some for destruction. God ordains the choices of man, yet they choose to do them. We don't understand how these can all be true, yet the Bible says them, so we believe them.
He contradicted himself in 3:25 to 3:50 In jhon 3:16 He said God so loved the (world) That he gave is one and only son so that whoever (believes) so it is the believers not (the entire world) ... And after he mention Jhon 17 that he was praying not for the (world) (BUT) for the one you are giving me (out)of the world ... he just said it but didn’t realise what he was saying . So it is not (everyone) and we know that it is not going to be everyone cause not everyone will be saved ... why is it so hard to say that. Romans 9 says it !
No Jesus did not contradict himself. If you read further down in John 17 Jesus expands his prayer, which had only been for the 12 disciples, to include the world. He says, neither I pray for these alone but for all those who will believe through their word. And that’s the problem with proof texting. Verses get taken out of context when you don’t read the passages before the proof text and after the proof text. Here is refutation of the Calvinist claims about the potter and the clay, and about vessels of wrath fitted for destruction from Romans 9: Jeremiah 18 is the potter and clay chapter, which is actually the scripture that Paul is referring to in Romans 9. It refutes the Calvinist Romans 9 narrative, completely. The potter and clay, and Jacob and Esau, is about NATIONS not individuals. As Rebecca was told in Genesis 25:23 concerning her pregnancy: two nations are in your womb (Edom came from Esau, and Israel came from Jacob) And ISRAEL, the nation from Jacob is the clay on the potters wheel, not ANY individual person destined to wrath or destruction - and as Jeremiah 18 shows us, God gives mercy on whom He wills - and He wills to have mercy on those who repent. The Potter and the Clay. Jer 18:1 The word which came to Jeremiah from the LORD, saying, Jer 18:2 Arise, and go down to the potter's house, and there I will cause thee to hear my words. Jer 18:3 Then I went down to the potter's house, and, behold, he wrought a work on the wheels. Jer 18:4 And the vessel that he made of clay was marred in the hand of the potter: so he made it again another vessel, as seemed good to the potter to make it. Jer 18:5 Then the word of the LORD came to me, saying, Jer 18:6 O house of ISRAEL , cannot I do with you as this potter? saith the LORD. Behold, as the clay is in the potter's hand, so are ye in mine hand, O house of Israel. Who’s on the potters wheel? Esau? No. Israel is. The Romans 9 account of Jacob and Esau is not about those two as individuals, but as progenitors of two nations. We also find in Jeremiah 18 that when the potter speaks blessing over any NATION and they turn evil, God takes back his blessing and punishes that nation, and also when the potter considers a nation a vessel fit for destruction and they repent, He changes His mind about punishing them. No nation (or person) is predestined to destruction. Jer 18:7 At what instant I shall speak concerning a NATION, and concerning a kingdom, to pluck up, and to pull down, and to DESTROY it; Jer 18:8 If that NATION, against whom I have pronounced, turn from their evil, I will REPENT of the evil that I thought to do unto them. Jer 18:9 And at what instant I shall speak concerning a NATION, and concerning a kingdom, to build and to plant it; Jer 18:10 If it do EVIL in my sight, that it obey not my voice, then I will REPENT of the good, wherewith I said I would benefit them. This is the opposite of the reformed doctrine predestination narrative. The fate of the nations is dependent on what they do, not on being predestined to be vessels of wrath, fitted for destruction, and the Romans 9 potter and clay passage is not about predestination of individuals to hell, or to salvation. God will have mercy on whom He will - and His will is He has mercy whenever there is repentance, and takes back His mercy, if they turn to doing evil. That God changes His mind based on what a nation does (repentance) or doesn’t do right (turns to evil) absolutely wrecks reformed election doctrines. BTW, the fact God hated Esaus but loved Jacob is used as proof that Esau was of the unlucky non elect, predestined to hell and damnation. In reality that statement by God about Esau is a well known idiom to the Jews, that means to love less, not to literally hate - which is easily proven by Jesus telling us in Luke 14,:that unless we hate our mother and father, we aren’t worthy to be His disciples. It’s obvious that Jesus isn’t teaching us to violate the command to honor our mother and father, or violate the law of love that Jesus proclaimed, that we must love our neighbors as ourselves. Jesus is saying that we must love Him the most, and love our parents less: Luk 14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple. God loved Esau less than Jacob, he did not literally hate him And Jeremiah 18 refutes the Calvinist imposing of it’s erroneous doctrines of.election into Romans 9, and turning it into the predestination of Jacob unto salvation, and Esau to damnation, and making it into God only having mercy on the elect, while having no mercy for individuals predestined to be vessels fitted for destruction and hell, and hating them, too. We’ve seen that God has mercy on those who repent, and takes back His mercy from those who turn to evil.
@chadkincham sorry in my answer i was not saying that Jesus contradicted himself , but that the guy that was speaking in the video contradicted himself. and maybe that romans 9 is not talking about predestination , but the Bible talks about predestination from before the foundation of the world i don't know about the rest. Bible also talks about elected people. God is not unjust cause he elects people. but in our 3 pound brain it seems like it. God chose to reveal . It is said in john when peter says that Jesus is the Christ, that he did not discover that from the flesh but from the father, that means it is God that puts his spirit inside of us that makes us alive and able to have faith and respond in faith to what is preached to us.. i did not ( understand the gospel) th holy spirit made me alive spiritually so i can put my faith in God, so it is the work of God and not of myself so that nobody woud boast, like ephesians 2:8 says it. :) God bless you my bretheren thanks for your answer
An exegesis of Roman's 3 shows perfectly these three points. Gods righteousness does not depend on our righteousness or lack off, Gods righteousness is displayed through his law, and finally we can not live up to his righteousness. Therefore, it is not that man cant choose to be good but they are physically incapable to do so. The question falls apart in many aspects: the individual can not be perfect even if he chooses, that despite creaturly will Gods sovereign decree will always come into completion and no man can prevent it, and finally to imply that ultimately God is somewhat responsible for allowing sinful creatures is a total contradiction to the whole premise of Grace. Therefore, through the hearts of sinful dead totally depraved men, God is the only one that can turn their hearts of stone to flesh, and he does it out of His Will and His good pleasure for His eternal glory
J Mach I’m confused as to how you went from man not being able to be righteous to concluding that he is therefore totally depraved? Can a dead man believe the Gospel? Is he capable of doing so? You know that many men kept much of the law. Can we keep one commandment, the one that states we should believe on the Lord?
@@evanu6579 Evan U Evan U because anything but righteousness is totally different from God. Therefore a theological concept of total depravity revolves around the solid truth that God should display his wrath justly to a sinner, for by the nature of sin, God totally abhors it. Therefore, a sinner is totally depraved, due to the high degree of Gods righteousness. Second, no a dead man can not come to life by himself, it is only through the grace of God. Jesus did not ask for Lazarus permission to resurrect him, Jesus did it bring Glory to God. Finally, "most of the law" is a bankrupt statement. For James in his epistle stated: For whoever keeps the whole law but fails in one point has become guilty of all of it. James 2:10 Therefore, with this in mind, the smallest glitch in our flesh is enough to set us under Gods Justice. See that we can not gratify God through our good works, for they are all filthy rags unto the Lord. The only good and perfect work was the Messiah boring the sins of those who will come to faith. Therefore, how can a dead man be brought to faith? John 6 answers it perfectly: No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day. It is written in the Prophets, 'And they will all be taught by God.' Everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to me- not that anyone has seen the Father except he who is from God; he has seen the Father. John 6:44-46
J Mach I’m not understanding your first point. With the second point, I didn’t ask if a dead man can make himself alive. Of course that’s the work of God. I asked if a dead man can believe as a prerequisite for God making him alive. The third point wasn’t me saying that there is some sort of merit in keeping part of the law. I was making the point that since men are capable of not murdering as condemned by the law, wouldn’t a man be capable of believing as commanded in the new covenant? Perfection isn’t required to be deemed righteous in the new covenant. Faith is required. It seems like you’re conflating the two.
J Mach As for John 6:44, what does it mean that whoever is taught of God and learns comes to Christ? Is it the responsibility of the man to “learn” so that he will be drawn by the Father? In other words, can you hear but refuse to learn or hear but decide to learn?
@@evanu6579 with all love and respect brother, you have some major categorical error. For the first point: whoever had ears let him hear. Second point: you have a major misconception concerning the idea of being "dead in sin." If you are dead in sin, it is impossible for you to produce light in your darkness. I understand you are forcing synergism, however the act of redemption does not involve the will of man, nor does God's sovereignty depend on a mans will. It is meant to show grace for his good pleasure. Therefore, when he calls you, it's when you feel the conviction of the Holy Spirit, and start believing. The point if the new covenant is that you can not please God, due to our totally depravity. (Romans 1-3) therefore it is now God working through us. Those in their disbelief are unfortunately not able to please God, no matter of their merits. Lastly, it is not up to the individual. God makes himself known to whoever he pleases. Those who know Christ is because the father drawed him. Thus genuine coming of faith produces genuine learning and knowledge of the one true God. That is what it is teaching.
I'm not a Calvinist, but I do have a question about something said here. Is there a biblical precedent, in an evangelistic context, for telling people that God loves them?
I believe 1 John 4:7-21 explains it pretty well. Verse 19 says that before we loved God, he loved us first. In Acts 10:34 we find that he doesn’t exclude anyone from the message of the gospel. In my opinion, there’s biblical support for telling people that God loves them, but what is often forgotten is that God wants them to repent them of their sins. God loving people doesn’t mean he loves them remaining in their sinful ways, he loves them despite it.
His Infallible, Holy and Sacred Name is YaH, NOT "God" This "jesus" of Nazareth, the NAZARENE, NOT Bethlehem, was NOT The Messiah, he is NOT Who they Crucified for the sins of man. "jesus" (Latin: Iēsous), (Greek: Ἰησοῦς) Latin: Je/Ge means "Earth" Sus means "Pig". "je sus" means EARTH PIG Here is the REAL Messiah, Who they REALLY Crucified for the sins of man Yad He Vav He is what Moses wrote (Dead Sea Scrolls Exodus 3) Yad = Hand He = Breath Vav = Nail He = Breath Yad He, which forms The Creators Name YaH, (Hand Breath), as YaH's Hand Forms/Creates and His Breath brings forth life (Adam) Vav He (Nail Breath), YaH's Sacrifice of Crucifixion, for those who call YaH Savior, His Breath brings forth life YaH arrives via the Tent of Meeting (Exodus 33:7:11), the exact same way YaH arrived to Joseph NOT through childbirth. YaH was NOT Crucified on a "cross", but according to Hebrew law (Deuteronomy 21), to be nailed on an Almond Tree for blasphemy as the Messiah claimed He was YaH. He was YaH!!!
@orangeclawhammer777 Revelation 22:16, your jesus tells you he is the offspring of David, NOT Mary. Your god has children with human women, better tell your grandma, mom, aunts, sisters and daughters to keep a pregnancy test handy, they may be hours next victim. HalleluYaH means "Praise YaH", NOT Hallelujesus dude
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I YAHUAH do all these things. ISAIAH 45:7 No man can comprehend The Most High Elohiym.
@@machielrentmeester4882 I really don't see how Proverbs 16:4 in any way suggests that God controls people's choices or God destined them *to be wicked.* It is simply saying that God destined the wicked to the day of destruction. Those who are wicked God will punish... which is exactly what is said in the next verse: "Everyone proud in heart is an abomination to the Lord; Though they join forces, none will go unpunished."
Would you ask God to save your kids? In spite of their having refused to hear you or the Gospel? Would you ask Him in His sovereign grace to over ride their will and save them from the wrath?
I honestly can not understand how Calvinism has survived this long.
I can't believe it either, probably Satan tbh
LOL!!!!
maybe it was inevitable??? 🙄
Actually, Calvinism always rises and falls over time, (ironically, if they're right, that's the way God planned it). There is a seduction which ensnares some. Finding a reason to believe you understand something someone else does not... To be specially 'picked' for no reason at all can be too much to resist. There is a false humility which is unavoidable, if not unspoken. Underneath there is a self satisfying paradigm which is hard to turn down. It appeals to the intellect and mans very nature. Yet, historically, it is the 2nd generation of Calvinists who inevitably devolve into embracing fully the implications of the doctrine which demands that everything you will or will not do has already been decided by God..... everything.
However, for most, it is an untenable existence which man cannot reconcile with his own reality. Calvinists can develop the 'super-power'.... of Cognitive Dissonance. To live at peace with ones self one must ignore this deterministic fact of their doctrine and behave "as if" it isn't true. The heart of all mankind, (saved or not), desires to 'matter' so they must live as if we do matter ....while maintaining they actually do not. Added to this unsustainable conundrum is the ever existent potential that 'evanescent grace is afoot, e.g. That God is just messing with you, causing you to "think" you were 'elected' to salvation ....but only for a time so that hell will be hotter for you ...for His good pleasure.(this according to John Calvin, look it up).
No, a Calvinist's "salvation" is a singular an act of God in which they play no part at all. Therefore there is nothing they can ever point to which confirms they are actually saved. Even R.C. Sproul slept with one eye open, he wrote of struggling with his own doubts. Eventually , many people abandon it, and resign to live in a sort of foggy state of confusion. Unfortunately, many abandon God as a result of it.
Here is the worst effect of Calvin's dirty secret; Accepting the Calvinist premise as fact that God made the vast majority of souls, (in his own image no less), to burn in hell eternally by His own decree, and for His own pleasure, for doing what he decreed they would do. While he literally withholds the very grace necessary for salvation for no reason having to do with them, as he forces this 'grace' on a few select souls also chosen for no known purpose. This scenario violates the very conscience God bestowed on mankind from creation. It plants the seed which causes people to doubt that God is really good at all, or that He can be trusted.
It should be no surprise that when asked to describe God most atheists do so in Calvin's terms. They rightly reject this portrait of a god which Calvin paints, but sadly discard God along with the portrait.
When you consider this, is it not the very same purpose and effect of Satan's lie to Eve in the garden. .... coincidence.. ?? I think not.
I honestly can’t understand how Arminianism has survived this long being in such egregious opposition to the Bible - yet here you are.
@@PrideofIpplepen why do you presuppose people opposed to Calvinism to be following Arminianism?
Great exposé on how unbiblical and ridiculous the heresy of Calvinism actually is. The truth shall set you free.
I love this analogy: Calvinism treats God as a crazy potter. He creates one pot to be his chosen pot, but he also creates a bunch of other pots to smash into bits to show the other pot how much he loves it. But that’s not enough. He also hates dirt. So he fills each pot with dirt but only cleans the chosen one. Then when smashes these pots filled with dirt, he sweeps them up and puts them in a trash bin. Now the chosen pot is stuck realizing the potter is insane.
I know this is a year later, and i do not believe in Calvinism. However, you should know when you say something is heresy or someone is a heretic. What you communicate is that this person based on what they are believing in (the heresy) or is teaching (being a heretic) is condemned to hell by virtue of it. Be careful. Say what you mean and mean what you say.
God allowed sin so mankind could know and experience His character fully! Without sin, we would be ignorant of His grace, mercy, and complete forgiveness through the work of His Son Jesus. God loves us so much that He will start and finish our knowledge of the Trinity.
Phil. 1:6 THANK HIM!!!
The primary reason I loath Calvinism is because it defames God’s character. I see it as blasphemy. Naturally, I like this lesson!
I believe it really is a different gospel entirely.
Let me ask you, do you think that you were the one who decided to follow Jesus? You who were dead in your sins. You who were a slave to your slave owner, namely Satan. Slaves can’t do anything but what a slave owner tells them to do. They ARE NOT FREE to go anywhere!! Why would you even want to come to Jesus when you are dead, dead in your sins. Dead people can’t do anything either. They can’t accept the medicine being offered to them. They are dead.
Then here’s another thing, is the power of forgiveness of the blood of Jesus somehow not strong enough to wash away all the sins of the whole world. That’s what you believe, therefore everybody should be saved and nobody should be going to hell but we know that that’s obviously not true …..so why is that??? The blood of Jesus is powerful, God is sovereign, so why aren’t everyone saved??
Because God is 100% sovereign. Because God chooses. Because God said in the Old Testament I will show mercy on whom I will show mercy. Because God‘s thoughts are higher than our thoughts.
No one comes to me unless the father. FIRST DRAWS THEM………
Get on your knees and be humbly tearfully thankful God chose you.
We absolutely are nothing without God and we cannot do anything without God. Nothing absolutely nothing. And our choosing has nothing to do with who we were, who we are or who we will be. That is obvious when we look at the lives of Peter and King David and Saul etc. etc. etc.
It is a vile insult to God’s character and nature.
@@marialamb6781 97% truth, 3% lie. It's the 3% that will destroy you
Yea, it makes God a narcissist
Calvinist read john 3:16 like "For God so loved the Elect that he gave his one and only Son, so that the Elect, who were already predetermined to believe in him and saved anyway, shall not perish but have eternal life."
Calvinists redefine "sovereign" to mean absolute determinism. Biblical sovereignty means that God is free to do as He pleases, including free to create free moral creatures
If you believe you're a free moral creature why do you sin everyday?
Because I choose to sin with my free will. If you don't believe you are a free moral creature why do you sin everyday?
@@OkieAllDay So you're morally free but yet you constantly choose to do that which is immoral. I believe what the Bible teaches about our wills ie we are slaves to sin (John 8:34) and we sin because our wills have been blinded and taken captive by the devil (2 Timothy 2:25-26, Romans 7, 2 Corinthians 4:4, Ephesians 2:1-3) our own desires, and our flesh to do what glorifies us and the devil instead of God, I believe I am personally responsible for my sins and that no one on this earth actually has free will to choose what is right, especially those who aren't saved because they are still walking in darkness following the prince of the power of the air, and only through the Gospel, which is the power of God, can they be set free.
choicemeatrandy. You believe you are personally responsible for your actions, but do not have free will? That=contradiction. Calvinism by its very core makes God the author of evil. If God created people and they do not have free will and an ability to make a choice then your saying that makes God evil. This I reject and cannot accept.
Also you said you were personally responsible, if you break down that word it literally means ability-to- respond. I thought Calvinist could not respond to God as they are totally depraved?
All I know for sure is by the Grace of God Jesus died for my sins so that I might have life.
exactly. only grace
@@hondobondo grace, through faith in Christ
Amen by God’s Grace Jesus died for all of humanity without exception not just for you.
TITUS 2:11
11 For the GRACE of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to ALL men,
@@pressupuk And who granted you faith? Isn’t it God? That’s purely grace, but yes, it is through faith.
@@apilkey Sadly Calvinists believe that when the Bible says 'All' and when it refers to 'the World' that it is only referring to the elect .
Amen....my heart is so heavy...please pray I can find a non Calvinist church. I’ve been out of Calvinism for 2 years after being in it for 17 years. We are still at our church and it’s hard to say the least. But I’m searching for a good church and it’s almost impossible to find a church that Calvinism hasn’t tainted! I want my children to have the Lord correctly represented at home and in church. Thank you brothers and sisters. God is so good. I’ve never seen Him as loving as I do now that my eyes have been opened!
Praise the Lord sister. I fell into a Calvinistic Church and the Holy Spirit was sooo grieved when I was there. Joy fills my heart knowing you heard our shepherd’s voice. I know that your heart is heavy because mine was when I was a part of the church and after I left. Just knowing how subtle the enemy is grieves me.
When Jesus comes back he is coming for those who followed his commandments. He’s not coming back for a church building, therefore read and study the scriptures for yourself and if you have been born again the Holy Spirit will teach you and reveal the deep things of God to you until you find a local church that the Lord leads you to join.
Interestingly, people have the same testimony when going from non-Calvinist to Calvinist. So how do you know what is true?
I would like to know what you understand Calvinism to be, so I may understand why it is so terrible.
I've never called myself a methodist and there are a wide variety of methodist congregations but none of my many methodist friends have subscribed to
...have subscribed to Calvin's understanding of predestination. One of my wife's brothers, John Green, earned a degree from a Nazarene seminary (where Calvin's understanding of predestination was not taught) and served as pastor of both Free Methodist and Wesleyan congregations. That gives you a choice of four denominations that don't fall in the category of "Calvinist" and there are others.
Most churches are Arminian; what do you mean you can't find a non-calvinist church? Have you by chance utilized say your eyes just for a start?
For a long time, I was neutral on this issue. After debating with friends in college (early 2000s) and leaning towards Calvinism, I then concluded that somehow both are true. We have free will, but God also elects people to salvation. So I appealed to mystery and left it there.
But about a year ago, I started thinking about this again. I was thinking about the punishment for people who were born unable to believe because they weren't elect! This is like requiring a baby to pass a college exam, then punishing them for not getting an A. But if there wew millions of babies, you take a few hundred and decide to take the test for them. This doesn't make sense and seems cruel and unjust.
So, I then concuded that God reveals himself to ALL and gives the gift of faith to ALL. So anyone who does not have faith are without excuse as it says in Romans 1. This also is in harmony with 2 Peter, where it says it's not God's will that any should perish, but that ALL come to repentance.
Therefore, not everything that happens is God's will. He did not create evil. Instead, he sovereignly chose to create beings with a free will. He allows evil to occur, and sometimes uses it towards a good.
[You:] "So, I then concuded that God reveals himself to ALL and gives the gift of faith to ALL."
● A little bit of push back here because I do think that your statement above is error:
Matthew 16:13-20
When Jesus came into the region of Caesarea Philippi, He asked His disciples, saying, “Who do men say that I, the Son of Man, am?” So they said, “Some say John the Baptist, some Elijah, and others Jeremiah or one of the prophets.” He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?” Simon Peter answered and said, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” Jesus answered and said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven. And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it. And I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.” Then He commanded His disciples that they should tell no one that He was Jesus the Christ.
- Do you believe that God revealed Himself in the same manner to those who said Christ Jesus was John, Elijah, Jeremiah or one of the prophets that He revealed to Simon Bar-Jonah?
- Also, in 2 Thessalonians 3:1-2, it is written that "not all have faith." I'm not sure where you are deriving the idea that God "gives the gift of faith to ALL," but I do understand that by that statement you are in fact conceding that faith is a gift.
"He is the Heart of God in Human Form." So true! Thank you, brother Brown! 🥰
I used to be Arminian and I would say I'm a calvinist in my sotereology, but there would be more fruitful conversation as brothers in Christ about what we differ on if we first focused on what we agree upon. Both sides often have their ducks in the wrong row and that's why we treat eachother worse than unbelievers do at times.
Amen
I think Dr Brown is critiquing Hyper-Calvinism which even many Calvinist’s are against. I know plenty of Calvinists that preach the gospel and pray for anyone and everyone to be saved and are very active in missions so it makes little difference to me what they are as long as they are preaching the gospel and following Jesus!
I have been a 3.5-4.5 point calvinist for 20 years. But no longer do i associate with it. Calvin was the hyper-calvinist. Too much of calvinism is tied up in a theology and philosophy that is more interested in playing god than responding to god and along the way maligns gods message intention and character and undermines the calvinists own ability to respond to god in their walk.
Best explanation I've heard. I can't believe how many big name preachers believe this.
I think the T and the L in the tulip are the most affronts to God's character. He sends people to hell forever because people refuse to do what they were never capable of doing, if that's not evil and unfair, i don't know what is. the calvinist may say "mystery" and "how unfathomable are God's ways"... but "unfathomable" doesn't mean "contradictory" or "unjust". You are literally saying that SOMEHOW UNKNOWN, People are indeed guilty of not doing something they were NEVER capable of. You don't live out that belief anywhere in any situation, so maybe your interpretation is wrong. Isn't it just more likely that you are interpreting the bible wrong than just "somehow someway people are guilty of something they never had any control or choice over". That can only be true if you COMPLETELY REDEFINE the word "guilt". GUILT, BY DEFINITION implies that the guilty person could have done otherwise.
And the L makes every christian who loves an unsaved person (an unsaved person who will die without Jesus, specifically, whoever they are, remaining unsaved til death) and would even die for this person.... more loving than Jesus.
Imagine an unsaved person you would die for, if he/she never comes to Christ, the L says Jesus never died for that person, but you would. IOW the L of tulip makes you more loving than Jesus. Is a grave error with horrible implications for the preaching of the gospel. Is much more God/Christ like, according to what we see in the whole bible as Michael Brown pointed out, that Jesus DID die for everyone, but his death only applie to those who repent and turn to Jesus. Than you can't ever say you are more loving towards an unsaved person you are willing to die for than Jesus... THE INCARNATION OF LOVE (According to coherent calvinism, LIMITED love. The LIMITLESS GOD WHO IS LOVE, Is limited in love).
Im convinced that Calvinism is popular because it obfuscates and confounds people. And those who hold to it feel intelligent for understanding it so they must prove to you their understanding of the mystery. The Gospel is not complicated - repent and believe. It is the gift of God to everyone who believes. Calvinism calls into question the very meaning of words. What is belief without choice? What is a gift if it cannot be received by choice? Nah, the Bible is abundantly clear that God is willing that no one should perish but that ALL should come to repentance through faith in Jesus. If Calvinists really believed in predestination and lack of free will, they would never do another invitation.
Because the tenets of Calvinism are biblical and a glorious expression of God's sovereignty.
It is well to notice, too, that Scripture never speaks of election or predestination to a place, heaven or hell. Scripture does not speak of the believer as having been “crucified, buried, and raised with Christ back in the eternal ages.” Election in the Scriptures is to holiness, and to Christ- likeness. C. F. Hogg
I always love a comment section with calvinists. Awesome to see the egotism self-righteousness used to explain the gospel. I also love seeing the inevitable use of the words hermeneutics and exegesis. Yay! That has never been said before.
The egotism is the side that says God is not completely sovereign but man is because he has the ability to choose good.
@@jelewis365 Spoken and twisted like a true Calvinist . No ONE said or claimed what you allude to if a man turns to God for salvation by his action does he not recognize and glorify God as his king his savior does he humble him self before the Father ? Jesus even said " my kingdom is not of this world "
" 4 What I am saying is that as long as the heir is a minor he is no different from a slave, even though he is the legal owner of the estate; 2 rather, he is subject to guardians and caretakers until the time previously set by his father. 3 So it is with us - when we were “children” we were slaves to the elemental spirits of the universe; 4 but when the appointed time arrived, God sent forth his Son. He was born from a woman, born into a culture in which legalistic perversion of the Torah was the norm, 5 so that he might redeem those in subjection to this legalism and thus enable us to be made God’s sons. 6 Now because you are sons, God has sent forth into our hearts the Spirit of his Son, the Spirit who cries out, “Abba!” (that is, “Dear Father!”). 7 So through God you are no longer a slave but a son, and if you are a son you are also an heir.
8 In the past, when you did not know God, you served as slaves beings which in reality are non-gods. 9 But now you do know God, and, more than that, you are known by God. So how is it that you turn back again to those weak and miserable elemental spirits? Do you want to enslave yourselves to them once more? 10 You observe special days, months, seasons and years! 11 I fear for you that my work among you has been wasted!
@@jelewis365 Then the Lord said to Cain, “Why are you angry? Why is your face downcast? If you do what is right, will you not be accepted? But if you do not do what is right, sin is crouching at your door; it desires to have you, but you must rule over it.”
... Was God just pulling his leg? Was God mocking Cain by suggesting he had a choice to do 'right' knowing he did not?
Look up the definition of Sovereign. It is NOT as the Calvinist attempts to use the word.
God can do what He wants... or nothing at all, His only limitation is that He cannot lie. God sits in the heavens and does as he pleases but the earth he has given to man.(ps.115:16)
He is not required to 'control' anything. And creating a being, in His own image, with a libertarian free will poses no threat to Him, or His sovereignty, as the flood of Noah and the tower of babel illustrate.
Wow. The irony.
i hate exegesis! just give me a doctrine that feels good!
I knew i wasn’t crazy ….I completely agree with his view….
“God does not act in an arbitrary way nor in defiance of the human will when he draws people to Christ. Someone once tried to persuade me that God has chosen some people for salvation and chosen other people for damnation. Such an idea is monstrous. God does not arbitrarily and sovereignly damn the greater part of the human race into an existence they did not seek, on terms they did not select, … just in order arbitrarily to send people to hell for not choosing a salvation offered only to the elect. That may be some people’s idea of God and some people’s idea of salvation, but such concepts make God out to be a tyrant worse than any in the history of the human race.” John Phillips
Yes this is why I state that Calvinist's teach and preach a different god, a different Jesus and a different gospel
I like Washer, McCarthur, White, and Piper. As far as doctrine, they’re sound on a lot of things. Not every believer will agree on the non essentials. In saying this, I believe Calvinism is not scriptural and it takes mis interpreting of scriptures to believe it. No knock on my Presbyterian brothers and those who are reformed, but it’s not scriptural. Again, I still think it’s a secondary issue. We can all still walk as brothers and sisters in Christ, in love. That’s what matters. God bless you, Brown. I love and respect your ministry.
Well said I totally agree.
His Infallible, Holy and Sacred Name is YaH, NOT "God"
This "jesus" of Nazareth, the NAZARENE, NOT Bethlehem, was NOT The Messiah, he is NOT Who they Crucified for the sins of man.
"jesus" (Latin: Iēsous), (Greek: Ἰησοῦς)
Latin:
Je/Ge means "Earth"
Sus means "Pig".
"je sus" means EARTH PIG
Here is the REAL Messiah, Who they REALLY Crucified for the sins of man
Yad He Vav He is what Moses wrote (Dead Sea Scrolls Exodus 3)
Yad = Hand
He = Breath
Vav = Nail
He = Breath
Yad He, which forms The Creators Name YaH, (Hand Breath), as YaH's Hand Forms/Creates and His Breath brings forth life (Adam)
Vav He (Nail Breath), YaH's Sacrifice of Crucifixion, for those who call YaH Savior, His Breath brings forth life
YaH arrives via the Tent of Meeting (Exodus 33:7:11), the exact same way YaH arrived to Joseph NOT through childbirth.
YaH was NOT Crucified on a "cross", but according to Hebrew law (Deuteronomy 21), to be nailed on an Almond Tree for blasphemy as the Messiah claimed He was YaH. He was YaH!!!
I love Jesus and Pizza
@@eugenenunn4900 Jesus Yes!!! The latter not so much.
@@silversurfer2703 I urge you to evaluate your faith. How can one say he is love without love of pizza 🍕🍕🍕🍕
Thank you I really feel Calvinist malign God's Character.... really great teaching.
That was my opinion before I studied it with my Bible open and saw that the doctrines of grace are biblical
Yes, and maligning the God’s Character is in sync with the unforgivable sin - blasphemy of God the Holy Spirit.
The Pharisees attributed Jesus’s Character to satan and warned them!
@@RichH1689 people open their bibles and come to different conclusions. So which is correct?
@@jjgems5909 Good question; the main principle is scripture interprets scripture; when we come to scripture with our own ideas and try to insert them into it, we have a good chance to get it wrong; the other is what have others have said about the topic for that we go back to the reformers (Calvin, Luther, Knox, Owen), to the confessions of faith and the reformed catechisms not to get our ideas from them but to confirm if someone else had gotten to the conclusion we are getting to since if we are the only ones getting to a conclusion must likely we are wrong and if false teachers have gotten to the same confusion we are getting to most likely we are wrong- so let scripture interpret scripture
No, Calvinism does not do so.
In fact, non-Calvinism maligns God's character, will and sovereignty.
It injects the actions of sinful people into a sinless divine action, and that is unbiblical.
Wow. I truly truly Praise the Lord because from the past few months this question about salvation was running into my mind and heart. Somewhere in my heart I knew that God's love cannot be limited by our words or interpretations. Because HIS love towards US is beyond our imaginations and interpretation.
No one, I repeat no one can explain me how much & why Jesus loves me so much that he died for my sins.
Hallelujah. All praise and glory to the Lord Jesus Christ alone.
Praise God!! You are one of us!! God chose you out of darkness. Just like when Jesus asked the disciples who he was, then Peter said, YOU ARE THE CHRIST SENT FROM HEAVEN!! Jesus told Peter that the only way he knew that in his heart of hearts is because the Father in heaven revealed it to him. The Jesus told Peter and the disciples upon this rock I will build my Church and the gates of hell will not prevail against it!!! God revealed himself and drew you to Jesus!! Praise God!!
Stop trusting your heart and read the Bible. You go wrong when you say something like that and trust your own heart because it can be deceively wicked who can know it?
@@sarahgracebrooks2629 did he choose you based on you? Or because of himself?
I do believe that God does choose certain individuals for his purpose for certain things. He called Abraham and through a promise he said he’d make him the father of many nations. God tested Abraham concerning Isaac. Abraham had faith that even if God took Isaac that he could raise him from the dead, if needed. He called Abraham his friend. He chose Moses to lead the children of Israel out of Egypt. He chose Paul to preach the gospel. He chose his only son to come to earth in human form and show us God’s character. Jesus did all of God’s will. He healed the sick, cast out devils, and raised the dead. Then he died on the cross, was buried and was resurrected. Jesus died for the sins of all mankind and only through his blood will we be saved. We don’t get saved by our works, but if we are saved we should have the works or the fruit that shows we are saved. God offers salvation to all, but gives free will to us.
i couldn’t agree more!! well said!!! god bless you dr brown!!!!
@Alan Crane I suppose the obvious answer is that he is in full agreement with him.
Dr Brown believes in charismatic and prophets in this age. False teacher
@@gracealone654 I 100% agree. He does not understand plain Scriptures that teach the predestination of all those who believe in Christ.
Predestination to be conformed in His likeness, not predestination to believe.
Not only that, but Rebekah’s children had one and the same father, our father Isaac. Yet, before the twins were born or had done anything good or bad-in order that God’s purpose in election might stand: not by works but by him who calls-she was told, “The older will serve the younger.” Just as it is written: “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.”
What then shall we say? Is God unjust? Not at all! For he says to Moses,
“I will have mercy on whom I have mercy,
and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.”
It does not, therefore, depend on man’s desire or effort, but on God’s mercy. For the Scripture says to Pharaoh: “I raised you up for this very purpose, that I might display my power in you and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.” Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden.
One of you will say to me: “Then why does God still blame us? For who resists his will?” But who are you, O man, to talk back to God? “Shall what is formed say to him who formed it, ‘Why did you make me like this?’ ” Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for noble purposes and some for common use?
What if God, choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath-prepared for destruction? What if he did this to make the riches of his glory known to the objects of his mercy, whom he prepared in advance for glory- even us, whom he also called, not only from the Jews but also from the Gentiles?
this has been the most mis-understanding verse of the Bible regarding soteriology.. please study thyself approve unto God
Continue with the chapter and put the beginning also... In Romans 9 Paul's asks why many Jews have rejected Jesus even though God had originally made covenant with them, gave them all the promises, prophets etc and proceeds to answer that question in the end of the chapter in verses 31 and 32.
31 But Israel, who pursued righteousness based on the Law, did not achieve the Law.
32 Why not? Because they did not pursue it on the basis of faith, but as if it were based on achievements. They stumbled over the stone that causes people to stumble.
The Jews rejected Christ because they could not understand how one can be made righteous by faith.. They clung on to their works of the law.. they rejected Christ and because of their unbelief, God hardened their heart like he had done for the pharaoh. They became like Ishmael and Esau as they went outside God's promise of salvation and tried to make their own way through their works. (Hence Paul's emphasis on Isaac being the child of promise and Jacob being chosen apart from works).
Paul the addresses Israel's objections against God's judgement of hardening.. where they blame God for injustice. This is natural as they must have been shocked by the change from the covenant of the law to that of grace.
He answers their objections by pointing to God's sovereignty.. in the means by which he extends mercy (in this case the cross) as well the objects of his mercy (i.e gentiles are allowed to come to the faith without circumcision or following the law)
Many Gentiles accepted Christ and received God's mercy. The Jews made a choice to follow righteousness according to the law and hence were lost.
Somehow Calvinists read this chapter and come to the opposite conclusion that Jews did not believe because God did not elect them and they had no natural ability to believe.
It's kinda funny.
s wooo the Jews didn't believe because they were still working by the law even tho they had the opportunity to choose faith. And this comment supporting calvinism is all about past elections in the O.T and you debunked his idea with your comment
On the bible person esau never served jacob.
God was taking about the nations that would come from them.
I hear this objection from calvinists.
Its sort of a proof text.
Though they interpret it incorrectly.
Such an ignorant view - the scripture about Esau was not about eternal salvation, for a group of people who accuse others of taking scriptures out of context, they sure do it well with this one. That whole point about Esau wasn’t ever talking about salvation. The chapter is talking about how true Israel is of the Spirit, and how the election is by promise, not your heritage.
We Love you Dr. Brown. When beating my brain against the idea of no free Will in Calvanism I was truly being crushed under the weight of being conscious but without the ability to choose anything. All while it was coming to Christ that caused me to believe in true free Will for the first time. Still when I remembered the verse of "warn the wicked of his way lest he die in his sins, if not his blood will I require at thy hand. This is a clear mandate of personal responsibility given to us. Something not given to someone who can do or choose nothing.
You should check out this explanation of free will: ua-cam.com/video/mm2x3heXwAs/v-deo.html
Calvinism is not at all opposed to free will - that's a common misunderstanding.
It's not Calvinism. It is a Predestination and Election according to the bible which Calvin had brought on the table. It is biblical. Those who God truly have predestined before the foundation of the world will hear the gospel and truly live for Christ. Dr. Brown there are 41 verses written in the bible about Predestination and Election. How God dealt with the prophets directly in the old testament and until now. He choose whom He will and they will hear (the good soil) the Gospel. God is in control above all things. It's not our choice, but His choice. Our only works are to spread the good news of Christ.
God is able of farseeing, therefore He knows what we are able to became even before we are formed in the womb, therefore He's able to elect people to do His will or people to be raised as enemy of Christ because, but this is not predestinations. Paul is a very confused preacher in general (i know you are refering to Romans 9) and Peter warn us do not take his teachings lightly or we can understand him wrong.
Predestinations = no free will, therefore when God is telling us to choose the path we wish, the life or death, He's contradicted himself.
Also the judgement is wrong, since He will judge a tool (what predestinations is saying that we are). Even more, we humans are more righteous than Him if the predestinations is real, because we judge a killer and not his tool who he used to commit a crime.
Well, much to say, but basically nobody can be surely certain of his salvation. What if God wishes for someone to fall from faith, as many before us? What is the point of all the warnings if we are not able to make a choice?
@@emanuel5640 So ignore Paul and listen to you instead...🙄
@@choicemeatrandy6572 of course not... listen to Paul who is so against the circumsion that he circumsise Thimoty himself, though he says that those who are going under circumsion are denying Christ... Galatians 5:3 vs Acts 16:3 vs Galatians 1:10 vs Galatians 2:114
And next time try to bring solid arguments to sustain tour opinion. Like dr Brown.. and me
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I was responding to Emanuel (unless you're him)
I dont believe Dr. Brown made any solid arguments in this video and if you are Emanuel then your argument involves bypassing what Paul clearly said in favor of your opinion.
Dr. Brown coming from someone who did not understand the bible, your questions would be legitimate. The fact that you are someone who has studied the bible for years, there's no excuse:
*POINT 1:*
"The fact is that Calvinist believe that God has ordained human behavior"
*Answer*
The BIBLE says that God DOES ordain EVERYthing that comes to pass:
Isaiah 46:10-11
Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:
Calling a ravenous bird from the east, the man that executeth my counsel from a far country: yea, I have spoken it, I WILL BRING IT TO PASS; I HAVE PURPOSED (Preordained) IT, I WILL ALSO DO IT.”
Ephesians 1:11
In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who WORKETH ALL THINGS AFTER THE COUNSEL OF HIS OWN WILL.
Isaiah 55:11
So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it SHALL ACCOMPLISH THAT WHICH I PLEASE, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.
*Point 2*
"The simple question I have is this, if God ordained that someone would do evil, why does it grieve him when they do evil, and why does he express his desire that they not do evil."
*Answer*
Did Jesus murder grieve God? Did he ordain that Jesus be murdered?
See Acts 4:27-28
Indeed Herod and Pontius Pilate met together with the Gentiles and the people of Israel in this city to conspire against your holy servant Jesus, whom you anointed. THEY DID WHAT YOUR POWER AND WILL HAD DECIDED BEFOREHAND SHOULD BE HAPPEN
Did God ordain that these specific people would betray and/or crucify Jesus?
YES!
How do we know?
Because the bible gives us precedent:
Pharaoh - “I HAVE RAISED YOU UP FOR THIS VERY PURPOSE” (Exodus 9:16)
Judas - ““Brothers and sisters, the Scripture had to be fulfilled in which the Holy Spirit spoke long ago through David concerning Judas, who served as guide for those who arrested Jesus.” (Acts 1:16)
“While I was with them, I protected them and kept them safe by that name you gave me. None has been lost EXCEPT THE ONE DOOMED TO DESTRUCTION (son of perdition) SO THAT THE SCRIPTURE WOULD BE FULFILLED” (John 17:12)
NOTE: The scriptures MUST be fulfilled and GOD HAS ORDAINED THOSE WHO FULFILL THEM
Which is why Jesus says in Mathew 18:7 “Woe unto the world because of offences! for IT MUST NEEDS BE THAT OFFENCES COME; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh!
NOTE: Although God does ORDAIN what people do and what comes to pass He does NOT CAUSE them to be evil. Read Isaiah 10 and the King of Assyria. God sends him and his army to punish Judah and “trample them down like mud in the streets.” God says “I SEND HIM..” “He is an ax in MY HAND”….then God says but he did not intend it so, he did it for HIS OWN wicked pleasure and therefore I WILL PUNISH HIM!
*Point 3*
"Throughout the word God makes it clear that he takes no delight in the death of the wicked but desires rather that they repent and live."
*Answer*
You are conflating God’s “desire” with God’s will. Could God have kept Adam, David and everyone from sinning against him? YES!
See Abimilech in Genesis 20:6
See David when God kept him from kill nabal in 1 Samuel 25:32-34
God IS able to turn hearts of people “wherever HE wills” (Proverbs 21:1). He turned the hearts of the Egyptians AGAINST his people (Psalm 105:25) and FOR his people (Psalm 106:16)
God did not “desire” for Jesus to be murdered, but it was His WILL!
Does a good human judge “desire” for people to do right? Does he “take pleasure” in sentencing a person to death? NO! But he does it because it’s just and right!
*Point 4*
"I can truly look at any lost person and tell that person God desires that you turn and believe. If I held to a predestinarian doctrine...I could not say "God loves you and sent Jesus to die for you."
*Answer*
1. I can too! God DOES truly “desire” that people repent and live.
2. You should NEVER say “God loves you and sent Jesus to die for you.” Nowhere in scripture does any prophet, priest, apostle, disciple, believer, or Jesus say any such thing. What they DO SAY is “REPENT, AND BELIEVE!” What Jesus DOES say is “UNLESS YOU REPENT YOU WILL LIKEWISE PERISH!” Jesus did NOT say, “I love you and have a wonderful plan for your life!”
*Point 5*
You read from John 17 where Jesus said “I do NOT pray for the world but for those who believe (i.e. the elect) then you apply the verse to the whole world!
Why would you take it so blatanly out of context?
*Point 6
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“All men” in scriptures, especially in the NT, usually means “men from every tribe, tongue and nation..” (Revelation 5:9)
*Some background:*
In the OT the Jews were the ONLY people God had set apart for himself (other than a few gentiles that came into the fold). In the OT the Jews were the ONLY people group that God had revealed his statutes and laws to, the gentiles were ignorant of God’s law. (Psalm 147:19-20). Isaiah said that until Jesus (the light) came, the gentiles were “Walking in darkness” (Isaiah 9:2). Paul said in Ephesians 2 that before Christ, the gentiles were “without HOPE and without GOD in the world.” Acts says that “God overlooked their ignorance (he did not reveal anything to them to take away their ignorance) (Acts 17:30) and that God “Allowed them to go their own way” (to perdition) (Acts 14:16).
Which is why Jews believed themselves to be special in God’s sight (God told them they were -Deuteronomy 7:6) and why they referred to gentiles as “dogs.”
And which is why before God sent Peter to Cornelius’ (the gentile) house, he had to give him a vision and tell him “do not call unclean what I have called clean” (gentiles) (Acts 10:15). Only THEN did he go into a gentiles house to preach the gospel. Then, his fellow Jews got angry with him for going to a gentile’s house but when he explain what had happened it says in Acts 11:18,
“When they heard this, they had no further objections and praised God, saying, “So then, even to Gentiles God has granted repentance that leads to life.”
They understood THEN the “Mystery” that Paul speaks of in Ephesians 2 and 3:
“This mystery is that through the gospel the Gentiles are heirs together with Israel, members together of one body, and sharers together in the promise in Christ Jesus.” (Ephesians 3:6)
So, if you go back to John 12 (to give one example) which occurred BEFORE Peter’s revelation that gentiles were fellow heirs, it says in verse 20 “Now there were some Greeks (gentiles) among those who went up to worship at the festival. 21They came to Philip, who was from Bethsaida in Galilee, with a request. “Sir,” they said, “WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE JESUS.”
When they told Jesus, his response was “If I am lifted up I will draw ALL MEN (from every tribe, tongue and nation) to me!
Example 2:
John 10:16, Jesus says “I have OTHER SHEEP (Gentiles) that are not of this sheep pen (the Jewish sheep pen). I must bring them also. They too will listen to my voice, and there shall be one flock and one shepherd. (refer back to Ephesians 2:14,
“For he himself is our peace, WHO HAS MADE THE TWO GROUPS ONE and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility,”
The "All Men" in the contexts of the salvatoin scriptures does NOT mean "every single person on earth," it means "ALL PEOPLE GROUPS" (or , from every tribe, tongue and nation)
One final example that makes this point clear. In Romans 5, Paul (God) uses "all men/people" who SINNED to refer to EVERY PERSON;
vs 12 "Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned-"
But then, when speaking of who will receive salvation, he says;
vs 17 "For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will THOSE WHO RECEIVE GOD'S ABUNDANT PROVISION OF GRACE and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ!"
And WHO is it that "receives" this "abundant provision of grace" and "gift of righteousness?" Not "All People" or "Every single person." No, Peter says in 2 Peter 1:1
"Simon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ have RECEIVED A FAITH as precious as ours:"
The word "received" is the word "Lagchano" and means "to obtain by lot. 1. To receive by divine allotment, obtain. 2. to cast lots, determine by lot."
It's just as Paul says in Ephesians 2:9, "It is the GIFT of God, so that nobody can boast." And God gives the gift to whom HE pleases. (John 3:8, John 1:13, Romans 9:16, Matthew 11:27)
rolysantos well done
I agree with your analysis as written but also as my understanding of scripture
The Lord not only gives you grace as free but bestows faith as a gift as well
We were all DEAD in sins how could anyone muster up enough faith to believe?
Lazarus did not raise himself from the dead after all ,the Lord did from compassion and grace as he does with us in our new birth
rolysantos It’s like God knows our hearts (of course) but can choose where to put us on this chess board called “Earth” and potenciate what is already in us to do His Will. That’s why He CHOSE Judas as one of the 12. Anyways, I don’t agree with the statement that Jesus only died for the sins of the Elect simply because the Bible is very clear about it. I think Calvinists care more about making sense of their own doctrine than the Word of God in this sense. And they don’t understand the character of God printed in such act (dying for the sins of the world) that only brings more condemnation to those who reject Jesus. That’s why the Scripture makes a difference between the lost before Jesus and the ones after Jesus remarking that the last ones will be far more condemned.
Answer to the first question: because God's desires are complex and multi faceted. Also, I don't see how the non-reformed position fares any better: why did God create Joe knowing Joe would sin, if God doesn't desire Joe to sin? It's the same answer: God desires more things than simply to minimize the amount of sin in the world.
The calvinist position is pretty straightforward, though typically misunderstood. 1. God can cause anything that he desires to happen, and prevent anything that he wants to prevent. This is divine sovereignty, the secret decree, ordination. 2. Men sin / evil exists / not all are saved. 3. Thus, God ordains/decrees these things to happen. For that not to be so, would mean there are things in the world outside of God's power to control.
Matthew Miskiewicz you
God being sovereign means that He is able to choose what to and what not to decree. He is all powerful and all knowing. How He chooses to use His knowledge and power is up to Him.
Also, most non-calvinists don't believe in the "God saving through looking into the future". We are saved by grace THROUGH faith and Christ's atonement made provision for all who believe.
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@prathapdanny Hi friend, please see the other comment on the video by rolysantos. I think he gives a thorough explanation, which I hope will answer your questions here as well :-)
@@thomasranjit7781 I agree! and thank you for the recourses. Ill look into them.
Love you Dr Brown. Thanks for teaching the truth from the Word and never straying. God bless you.
Shut up Mary. Brown doesn't understand the concept of "the world", nor does he take the opposite point of view into consideration (i.e., "the whole world was taxed" as we read in the N.T., and many other places where the "world" does NOT mean every single person on planet Earth). Thus, Jesus did NOT die for the sins of each and every person without exception because if he did, those in hell would be paying for their sins TWICE, which is unjust. So much then for your praise of M.B. and his "never straying from the word".
@@mojo7495 maybe you need to read this..........
Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, FITS OF ANGER, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is LOVE, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, GENTLENESS, SELF-CONTROL; against such things there is no law. And those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. If we live by the Spirit, let us also keep in step with the Spirit. Let us not become conceited, PROVOKING one another, envying one another.
Galatians 5:19-26 ESV
I struggle to understand the point of view that predestination cannot exist alongside free will. Three-card Monte, for instance, works on the same principal - a person is free to choose but the outcome is already known to someone else. The two mechanisms aren't necessarily mutually exclusive, it's just a matter of ignorance on the part of the free will side. Parenting is full of these sorts of examples as well. What am I missing?
@KTTGHMTJWYCBLAC Ok, I think I see the difference. You think people would choose God over sin if given a fair chance? Those who are indwelt with the Holy Spirit no longer sin? It all gets so complex, I appreciate your response, lol
I foresee a Radio Free Geneva in your future.
Triggerman1976 So, who cares? Is James White a Pope or something?
98% of people that disagree with calvinism is because of their feelings.
Harrison Brincku And 98 percent of people who believe in Calvinism have no clue about church history and how Calvinistic beliefs came into the church almost 400 years after Christ through Augustine, who was influenced by Neoplatonism, Gnosticism, and Stoicism. And 98 percent of people who believe in Calvinism rely more on creeds, confessions, councils, synods, and flawed theologians than the Scriptures as understood in their actual historical context by the original church.
@@HarrisonB72 calvinists preach a sheep goat gospel in which nobody can repent based on God's decree separate from anything they can do in which the result is eternal damnation unless God decides to save them irregardless to anything including repentence and faith. The reason that isn't included is because God causes faith and repentence. How do you feel about that and babies going to hell?
Makes me want to cry
@@HarrisonB72 because 98% of people KNOW God is not a liar. Isaiah 55 is NOT a sucker punch.
Romans 9 says that he creates some for destruction and some to be saved (this is paraphrased). I am a calvinist and I believe scripture for exactly what it says. It literally says in romans "What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction,....."
Romans 9:22 ESV
Free will is our choice to make a decision however our free will ultimately leads to the destination that God has predestined, whether it be heaven or hell. I used to think calvinism was wrong and hateful until the word was revealed to me for what it is. I say this for the sake of understanding in those who have insulted us. Also calvinism isnt void of love, it's understanding God's love, wrath, and glory for what it is. Also calvinism is only called that because of the man that defended the bible against Armenianism (I think I spelled that right.) Originally calvinism was said to be correct and what Christian's believed, but someone didn't think that it was so the tried to say "no this is the love of God." Then Calvin said "no the word says this and this is what it means." (This is all very paraphrased.) Outside of the history I have seen several comments calling calvinists names and hurling insults at us. Read the word of God in Romans 9. It is undeniably stating that God has predestined some for destruction and some for heaven.
At the fall our free will was expressed and all of us were bound for hell. The fact that God doesn't send all of us to hell is pure grace.
Hi Dr Brown. Matthew 1:21 She will bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus, for He will save His people from their sins.” The 'His people' referred to here, is the same people Paul talked about in Ephesians 1: 4-5 '... even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love he predestined us for adoption as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will...' Chosen before the foundation of the world. Predestined for adoption. The only difference between a person in hell and one in heaven is the love of the Lord God Almighty. Not the persons will. Ephesians 2: 8-9 '...For it is by grace you have been saved through faith, and this not from yourselves; it is the gift of God, not by works, so that no one can boast...' The person in Heaven cannot boast about choosing God because he was chosen. God bless.
1. Faith is NOT a "work." In fact, "faith" and "works" are deliberately contrasted throughout the bible.
2. You misunderstand what predestination and being chosen by God before the foundation of the world actually means. God wants everyone to turn from sin (Repentance), and put their faith in Jesus (Trust in Jesus' atoning sacrafice on the cross for salvation... Instead of your own works). It was God's will to set things up in this manner before he created anything. It was the narrow route of salvation through Jesus that was predetermined to be the way that God chooses His elect... NOT choosing random individuals arbitrarily before the foundation of the world began.
Think about real-life examples of good relationships. I don't care what relationship you think of...
Brother and sister
Father and daughter
Husband and wife
Niece and uncle
Friends
Teacher and student
Etc. Etc.
Every good healthy relationship is based on 3 things:
- Intimacy
- Faith
- Love
When I speak of "Intimacy," I dont mean sex.... I am referring to fellowship. Getting to know someone more and more as time goes on. Not keeping the other person at arms-length. Sharing who you really are, and learning who the other person really is.
When I speak about "Faith," I am not talking about blind faith... I mean being able to trust the other person. Believing in their abilities. Having confidence in the other person's character.
When I speak about "Love," I am obviously not talking about the way I feel about someone else... I am talking about the CHOICES people make on how to act towards another person.
• CHOOSING to act kindly instead of meanly
• CHOOSING to act patiently instead of impatiently
• CHOOSING to act with compassion, mercy, and forgiveness instead of hate, malace, or spite
• CHOOSING to act fairly instead of unfairly
• CHOOSING to serve rather than selfishness
• Etc. Etc.
Notice how they are all interconnected?
Intimacy + Love = Increased Faith
Intimacy + Faith = More choices to act in loving ways
Love + Faith = Wanting even more Intimacy
Do you really think that our personal relationship with God isn't similar?
I say "similar" because God is a truly unique relationship.
1. God knows us so intimately that every hair on our head is numbered. We have the choice to keep Him at arm's length, pretend He doesn't exist, and even spend eternity seperated from Him.... or we can choose to get to know God intimately once He reveals Himself to us (Everyone is without excuse because God reveals Himself to everyone through creation, conscience, and many other ways throughout our lives).
2. God has always been completely faithful and trustworthy. The more we get to know God through His word, the more our faith increases. Anyone who reads the bible consistently knows about God keeping His prophetic promises throughout history, and how the old testament is pretty much all foreshadowing of Jesus.
3. God IS love. Every time a born again Christian chooses to act in a loving way they are being obedient to God. Christ did the most loving thing anyone could ever do by giving up His life WILLINGLY for us.... and we WILLINGLY give up our lives for God and others. God sanctifies us by having the Holy Spirit convict us when we make bad choices after being justified.
Your Calvin "tulip" is flawed...
- Are we all totally depraved? Yes.
- Does God know who will be saved beforehand? Yes (He is outside of time)
- Once saved always saved (Perseverance of the saints)? Yes.
Limited Atonement? Not a chance. This is not biblical. There are plenty of bible verses that go against Limited Atonement. His free gift of Atonement is often rejected by many instead of received... But that does NOT mean Christ only took some sins upon Himself and not others.
Irresistible Grace? Nope. People reject God's offer of grace all the time. Why? They prefer their sin. This is not a knock on God... it's a testament to His perfect nature. God doesn't force Himself upon others or coerce people. He created humans who were free to choose or reject Him. We have all rejected Him. But in his mercy, He provided a way to be redeemed through Jesus Christ.
All those who have reached the age of accountability have seen countless examples of God's common grace that he extends to everyone. All those who have lived to the age of accountability have also experienced many glimpses of what life would be like without God (Endless examples of the way sin causes chaos, pain, suffering and hopelessness).
Everyone has opportunities to call out to God. If anyone calls out to God in truth (Sincere repentance), He is loving enough to show that person the only way to salvation (Jesus) in one way or another (Dreams, visions, missionaries, books, movies, etc). God will get His word to them in one way or another.
Conclusion:
God is not the author of a story where he purposely created all people to do evil, then arbitrarily choose to show mercy on a few of them.
Instead, God created individuals who could choose to accept or reject Him. Even though God knew that we would all rebel... In His loving mercy, he provided a way for people to be redeemed and reconciled to God through jesus. He will not force people to spend eternity with Him in heaven, nor will He coerce anyone. It is a free gift to anyone who chooses to put their faith in Jesus. Once you see the love of God, it is your choice if you want to be with Him for all of eternity (Intimacy)... Or not. We are not biological robots... or puppets.
@@stevenrivard9246 Hi Steven. Hope you are well. In answer to your post.
1) Where in my post did I say faith is a Work? Ephesians 2: 8-9 '...For it is by grace you have been saved through faith, and this not from yourselves; it is the gift of God, not by works, so that no one can boast...' This is what I quoted from the Bible. Your point is unclear.
2)Ephesians 1: 4-5 '... even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love he predestined us for adoption as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will...' Again this is from the Bible. Paul is talking about a specific group of people. God's people, by the power of the Holy Spirit, can look at this and see themselves and give glory to God in Jesus name. Your definition of predestination and choosing is in direct opposition with the Scripture.
John 6:37-40 '... All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out. For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will but the will of him who sent me. And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day. For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.”...' All that the Father gives to the Son will come to Him.
John 6:65 '...“This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father.”...' No one can come to the Son unless the Father grants it.
Which brings us back to: Ephesians 2: 8-9 '...For it is by grace you have been saved through faith, and this not from yourselves; it is the gift of God, not by works, so that no one can boast...'
Ultimately your argument is against Scripture not Calvin.
"no man is righteous"
"no man does good"
"no man seeks God"
Psalm 23, Romans 3 of course...
"no man CAN come to me unless the Father first draws him" John 6:44
Calvinism is just a label people put on for biblical teachings about predestination. People would label Jesus a Calvinist today if they actually read the Bible. Surprise, most "Christians" haven't read the Bible, and if they have, they conveniently ignore the doctrine of predestination wherever it shows up in the Bible, which is basically everywhere.
God chose Abraham and gifted him faith, God chose Jacob instead of Esau, God chose the apostle Paul instead of any of the other evil Pharisees at the time... Ultimately, its God who chooses who follows Him, because a man simply does not possess the ability to follow God because its not in man's nature to follow God.
It's simple -- God created man with free will. The essence of this free will is self-determinism which means each man chooses what he desires most in EVERY situation. Naturally, a man rejects God because man simply would rather do what he wants than to do what God wants. The elect ones are the ones whom God has unconditionally chosen from before the beginning of the world(Ephesians 1) to become His children and seek to do God's will instead of their own. This way, His children can FREELY choose to follow Him, but of course, He is so beautiful and perfect, none of His children will ever see death or be "snatched out" from the Father's hand.
A non-believer FREELY rejects God, and God saves people by changing their hearts(Ezekiel 36:25-32) so that they will be able to seek God and follow His commands.
Theres a great metaphor of sheep in the Bible. Jesus says, "My sheep hear my voice." Who are His sheep? The elect of course, the ones who will come to believe in Him.
John chapter 8:31-47 is a conversation between the Pharisees and Jesus. Jesus explains why people reject God. He calls the people who reject the truth "children of the devil." That's right, the devil's children will never come to believe in Jesus because God the Father did not grant them the ability to come to faith in Jesus. As Ephesians 2:8 says, faith IS the gift of God. God gives His people faith, but not the rest of the world. Simple. This isn't Calvinism, this is simply Biblical doctrine.
The Bible says that Jesus was marveled by the unbelief of those who saw all His miracles but refused to believe. Now why would Jesus be surprised at unbelief, if God predestined those people not believe??
Read John 12 for the answer to your question.
You’d have to overlook a lot of verses to deny Predestination of God being outside of time knowing already who’s saved and who’s not.
The elect are chosen (the group), you need to make the choice to be part of it (free will). It's the group that's predestined, you choose to accept the invitation or reject it. Calvinism is a fraud.
You are a fraud. You deny the sovereignty of God rejecting Calvin's doctrine. God doesn't cause sin and knowledge is not the same as action.
Go take a course at Ligonier and come back when you're ready.
Jaykob Seiler According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
Ephesians 1:4
@@henriquealexandreh I deny Calvinism. I don't deny God's sovereignty that decides to give me free will to choose. I have free will because He decided in His power to give it to me. He is KING. My God is my Father, not a Calvinist sadistic tyrant that created people on purpose to send them to hell for eternity. That's not only pure evil, that's sick, perverted and twisted!
We have a timeless God that knows everything beforehand but in order to know everything before hand he had to predestined that to occur.
its about being saved not every little action. If He does not send the Holy Spirit and open our eyes, we are hopeless
True.
But remember, Paul (AKA Saul) called Jesus "Lord" before Jesus opened Paul's eyes.
I'm a non-married man. Lord willing one day if God blesses me with children my desire is for them to always be well behaved, polite, generous, and obedient...however I know that they wont be perfect, I know that they will act up, fret, complain, mourn, throw tantrums in public, disobey...I know this because I've seen how other children behave under the care of good parents. My desire for my future children to be obedient hasn't changed and me knowing that they will not obey has nothing to do with me *causing them* to be that way.
Sadly those who would oppose reformed theology do not make the proper distinctions in categories. Yes God desires for all to repent and be saved, however, unless you're a universalist, not everyone will be saved, there are people who will end up going to hell for all eternity as punishment for acts that they freely committed. God does not *make anyone* sin, we all sin because it is what we already want to do and we are tempted by the lusts of our own flesh and we are under the power of sin and satan. Just like the disobedient child, no parent wants or makes their child start acting up in public or blatantly disobeying them. It'd be incredibly awkward for a parent to say, "I desire for my children to disobey me" however children will disobey their parents, that's just reality.
The entire argument that Paul makes in Romans is that we are all sinners and the punishment for that is death but God in order to show His Divine attributes of loving kindness, Grace, and Mercy has purposed to save rebel sinners without compromising His Divine attributes of Justice and Wrath, and those that God rescues He did so because of His own will and purposes just as He told Moses, "I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, compassion on whom I have compassion" That's what the Bible teaches. Any teaching that tries to make man the true center and sovereign is not Biblical at all.
@HillDueceua You ask, "What does that have to do with Calvinism?" Well that's what Calvinists believe, not whatever caricature you've heard before. You then say that what "calvinists" espouse isn't logical when the post youre replying to walks you through the logic step by step.
@HillDueceua No it isn't. Interact with whats been written and not cookie analogies you got from Leighton Flowers.
@HillDueceua About cookies..okay then
@HillDueceua Completely losing track of what's going on here. What do cookies have to do with the Bible? If you're going to make up your own stuff then fine but I don't think there's a point in this interaction continuing. You responded first and you dont really appear to have the mindset of someone who will listen to anything that doesn't agree with your current beliefs. You're not God and if you can't prove what you're saying and do it in a civil manner then there's no point in replying any more.
@HillDueceua That's not the conclusion and it must be tiring to constantly be corrected and still be adamant about it. It's nothing but being purposefully stubborn and wise in your own eyes.
Calvinism and Arminianism are systematic views of soteriology. Meaning, neither Calvinism or Arminianism is meant to be spoken of broadly in all matters of life but only in regard to salvation. The matter of predestination can be a systematic theology. However, Calvinistic predestination is only speaking to the moment of salvation. Therefore, I can be a Calvinist (according to soteriology) AND still say that humans have a sense of “free will” or “human responsibility.” I hold to Calvinistic beliefs regarding salvation but still hold all people responsible for their choices. But humans don’t choose to save themselves… we are saved by God only. And once you’re saved, walk with him by making meaningful, legitimate choices in everyday life.
Wrong... God does not ordain evil he allows it.. the reformed does not believe that God ordains evil
I use to be calvinist, they will say all day long that dont..but by their own doctrine it has to be that way...
“It is easy to conclude how foolish and frail is the support of divine justice by the suggestion that evils come to be not by His will, but merely by His permission. Of course, so far as they are evils … I admit they are not pleasing to God. But it is quite frivolous refuge to say that God otiosely [idly] permits them, when Scripture shows Him not only willing but the author of them.”
Who said that?
Chris Stevens
Calvin? Almost sounds like Spurgeon though.
@@evanu6579 Calvin
If one does not understand the tension there is between the Free offer of grace and the eternal all knowing God Who’s foreknowledge is in complete harmony with His Degrees. Even if you are professor you need to come to God as a poor beggar and ask for the convicting work of the Holy Spirit. Just lose your degrees in theology and become like a child.
Proverbs 16:4 The Lord has made all for Himself, Yes, even the wicked for the day of doom. Please don’t deny the Word Of God.
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1 John 2: 2 And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world.
1 John 2:2 explained: That is, OF all people, who in all the world FROM all nations, see also: John. 11:51 Now this HE [Caiaphas,] did not say on his own authority; but being high priest that year he prophesied that Jesus would die for the nation, 52 and not for that nation only, but also that He would gather together in one THE CHILDREN OF GOD WHO WERE SCATTERED ABROAD.
Romans 11:26 And so ALL ISRAEL will be saved, as it is written: “The Deliverer will come out of Zion, And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob; This would then mean that every single Israelite will be saved? It is obvious not!!!
Many places in Scripture use the Word All Men for Not Only Jews but also other nations or “all kind of” there is a difference in the Greek.
John 12:32 And if I be lifted up from the earth, I will draw all men to Myself.” The word in the Greek for all here is πάντας (pantas) whose root is πᾶς (pas). says of πᾶς: When used without the articles, it means, "every kind or variety." When used with the article, it means "whole or the totality of persons or things referred to." Analytical Lexicon of the Greek New Testament
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Without the article… with distributive significance, denoting each individual in a class The word all in the verse has no article so it means "ALL KINDS OF MEN", so it isn't talking about every single man (universalism), it just denotes a broad spectrum. The notes of the translators in the Dutch Bible are correct [allen tot Mij Dat is, niet alleen de Joden, maar ook de heidenen, die in mij zullen geloven; Joh. 2:14,15. he drove THEM ALL out of the temple.
Rev. 5: 9, And have redeemed US to God by Your blood
OUT OF EVERY TRIBE AND TONGUE AND PEOPLE AND NATION, [IT DOES SAY NOT ALL] 10 And have made us kings and priests to our God;
God the Father does not reconcile all and every human being throughout the world and from all times to Himself by Christ’s Sacrifice. it appears from experience, as well as that he has not prayed for all and for every human being, to the Father. Joh 17: 9, but ONLY FOR THOSE WHO BELIEVE IN HIM; Joh. 17:20.
NOW THE QUESTION: Is it important, to belief that Christ died for the Elect only and not for all men? Not at all, however it becomes important if it goes hand in hand with the denial of predestination. Why? It is Scriptural.
It is clear from this Scripture: Romans 9 (for the children not yet being born, nor having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to ELECTION might stand, not of works but of Him who calls), Romans 9:12 it was said to her, “The older shall serve the younger.” 13 As it is written, “Jacob I have loved, but Esau I have hated.” There will be no-one in Hell that Christ died for.
Ephesians 2:8-9
For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast.
Grace is one of the two main reasons of Salvation, Grace is God’s work in us without us. The other is Faith It is God’s work in us but not without us. Those that deny this have never been born again. Because if they were, they would know.
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Marius, well stated! You have indeed done your homework, God bless!
@@randycadkins Thanks Randy They call reformed "Calvinist". Why????? Why not Tyndalelist. 99.999 % of reformed people never read anything of Calvin. The Bible is enough of understanding the Supremacy Of God if you have not set your mind against it. A sermon of Jonathan Edwards: sinners in the Hands of an angry God" Started a revival. Not an eye was dry in the church. Word got out It started the Evangelical Revival 1740 also called The Great Awakening. It was a reformed evangelical movement. It was not of men but of the Lord.
@@MariusVanWoerden I dont know much about Tyndale, but good things, I love Johnathan Edwards, I quote him quite often, I have that sermon sitting on my desk where I study, but I agree that the Bible has always said, what Calvin finally pinned on paper, it's nothing new, but has been true forever. And yes, God did a mighty work absolutely from the Lord
...thank you for referring to scripture...May God grant us ears to hear and a heart to receive.
May I ask how you respond to Romans 9? "Vessels of Wrath and Vessels of Mercy?" I am trying to receive a humble, genuinely thought out response. Not hateful bashing.
The vessels of wrath are being fitted to destruction because of their own sin and rebellion. God is patient with them, giving them time to repent. The vessels of mercy are saved by God's grace through faith in Christ. They were prepared beforehand, thus indicating God's determinate council and foreknowledge. God predestined the vessels of mercy for salvation. The key point is that grace is resistible. The vessels of wrath resist God's grace. The vessels of mercy also resist God's grace, but God saves them by grace anyway. It sounds illogical, but this avoids the pitfalls of calvinism and the errors of arminianism.
Sad to hear an intelligent person be wrong.
How is he wrong?
@@SOULSafeProductionZ 🤣 read through all the comments about this video and you will know.
@@silversurfer2703 I'm asking you.....
Calvinism is one of the most pernicious doctrines ever promoted by Christians.
its about Gods glory not man's. God ordains and uses various means to do His purpose. This is difficult I understand if you are centered on yourself. We are dead in our sin, period. God opens our hearts to the gospel and we believe.
I wonder if he has logically thought through the implications of rejecting the sovereignty of God. Let's say it together everyone "The only consistent Armenian is an open theist."
Son of Nun Seems you have mis interpreted a good amount of scripture.
@@sonofnun1917 He is not rejecting the sovereignty of God. He is rejecting the reformed/Calvenistic definition of sovereignty (aka divine determinism).
The focus is only on self is for this reason, if God is making the ultimate choice and decision on what a person does that person can't be held responsible for their action. That is a huge problem because it puts the responsibility for evil on God.
Buzz Vasquez the logical consequences of your Calvinism are ridiculous, and none of the early church Fathers held to your view of free will.
Remember the relationship between Whitefield and Wesley in the 18th century before anyone starts hunting for blood 😄
It is like the relationship between James White and Dr. Michael Brown
Predestination was the subject that Wesley and Whitfield couldn't come together on. Wesley refused to "give in" and go along with the false doctrines generated by the false interpretation of Scripture. So they went their separate ways. They did patch things up later in life but Wesley held his ground with correct reading of the Scriptures.
@@CaldwellApologetics I think White and Brown disagree about more stuff than Whitfield and Wesley.
Baltic Hammer James White and Michael Brown also disagree on the subject of predestination and other things. In fact, they have a debate on UA-cam about the same subject. Yet they both consider one another to be brothers in the Lord. It shows that individuals can disagree about secondary theological issues and still embrace each other as brothers. No one is saved by the acceptance of or rejection of Calvinistic theology.
Although George Whitefield disagreed with John Wesley on some theological matters, he was careful not to create problems in public that could be used to hinder the preaching of the gospel. When someone asked Whitefield if he thought he would see Wesley in heaven, Whitefield replied, “I fear not, for he will be so near the eternal throne and we at such a distance, we shall hardly get sight of him.”
Neither Calvinism nor Arminianism, but Lutheranism.
Sola Scriptura, Sola Gratia, Gratia Universalis, Sola Fide, Single Predestination
Amen! Thank you so much for proclaiming this clear teaching in scripture. God Bless you.
Yes the Calvinist god is merciful by punishing by torture those he forced to commit the very sins he came up with! Good job Baucham Sproul, Calvin, MacArthur, Washer, Piper. No wonder millions flock to the merciful Calvin god!
The real God of Creation said this of His love for all man and the Created Universe.
Psalms 145:9 The Lord is good to ALL; he has compassion on ALL he has made.
Little different from the evil cruel god of calvinism isn't it?
The real Jesus said in John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
1 Timothy 2 : 3-6 This is good, and pleases God our Savior, 4 who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself as a ransom for all people.
Calvinist god followers say that their god blinds the eyes of the Non-elect so they cannot see or understand the gospel. Yet it is they who have been blinded by Satan. Satan has blinded the eyes of those who are perishing. Satan leads the whole World astray.
Nothing makes people hate God faster than Calvinism.
Nothing turns people into Atheists faster than Calvinism!
Nothing kills hope and love faster than Calvinism!
Yet they are wise in their own eyes and lost in their souls and hearts.They gather around themselves those who speak the same lie!
Wake up and turn to God who loves you . "Repent and be Baptized before your life is spent and there is no more hope for you!
This can be the day of your salvation.
In Love!
Amennnn... This is what the Lord has been showing me about the doctrine of predestination also. It's such a stumbling block for those who would enter in to the Kingdom 😔
@@jesuscalledandianswered Thank you. We MUST trust the Holy Spirit to keep us safe from the Devil's schemes.
God promises real Christians that He will not let us be tempted beyond what we can endure and will show us a way out.
I wrote a small piece that I thought you might benefit from explaining what Predestination really means.
Predestination example 1: Its kind of like this. A man’s wife is finally pregnant and the couple are over joyed. I hope it is a boy the man said and I hope he will be interested in becoming an electrician like me. I also hope he goes into the trade and if he does, I plan for him to take over the family business some day! But I know that these plans that I have made for him, before one of his days of life begin will be entirely up to my son. I cannot force him, I cannot put a gun to his head, I can only encourage and guide him and hope. In other word’s the man has predestined a plan for his son, He has chosen a plan for his son. He has elected to give all this to his son if he so desires it!
Outcome 1 The baby is born and it is a boy. He is interested in his fathers work and goes to electrical trade school, but drops out and becomes a lawyer instead.
Outcome 2 He drops out of school becomes a bum, a drunk or a murderer etc.
Outcome 3 The son follows his fathers predestinated plan, through trade school and takes over his father’s business. The fathers predestined plans for his son will happen, or will not happen, according to the choices the son makes.
Its the same with mankind. There is a master plan given to every human being to know God, reach salvation and eternity in Heaven.
But to follow or reject the plan is the choice given to every individual.
This is the "Good News Gospel" that the Angels proclaimed when the Messiah was born.
Satan has attacked that message from the beginning, twisting it into what is now known as Calvinism or the doctrine of election.
Predestination example 2:
Grandma saves and saves to buy her granddaughter a plane ticket to France. She has been saving for many years and the day finally arrived and she gave her granddaughter her special gift.
The granddaughter goes to the airport and asks the attendant which plane to get on. The attendant says, what is your destination on your ticket? He reads the ticket which says “Destination France.”
He also said that flight 446 is a modern jet that was especially built and destined by the airline to fly exclusively to France for its entire service life. So, this aircraft has been predestined to fly to a predestined location, France.
The girl gets on the plane and is now destined to travel to France on the predestined plane, that has been predestined by its designers, to reach its predestined, destination!
This girl will arrive at her predestined trip that her grandmother predestined years before, as long as she goes to the airport, gets on the right plane and stays on the plane!
All this took place by the choices the granddaughter made.
Predestination example 3: "The man on an island." Imagine a man has been taken to a desolate island with everything he needs to survive and given only a Bible to occupy his time. This man has no preconceived idea about religion so everything he will learn over the next 10 years he will get directly from the Bible and Gods leading.
The man accepts God’s plan of salvation and what he has learned from the Bible. He repents and is born again.
The Holy Spirit is now counselling the man from the inside. He studies intensely for the 10 years growing in his faith and walking closer and closer with God daily.
After 10 years he comes back to the mainland world and decides he needs to fellowship with other Christians as the Bible says he should.
The man approaches a number of different churches and looks through the windows from the outside and says to himself “What are they doing in there what are they saying about God?
How do you think this man will compare what he knows to be true, from what he sees going on in the mainline churches today?
Do you think he will find what the mainline denominations are teaching will be in harmony to what this true follower of Jesus Christ has learned?
You know it won’t be!
It then occurred to me that I am that man.
I became a Christian in the winter of 1980 and didn’t go to any church for 10 years.
I studied on my own directly from the Bible.
I did go to some Bible studies, but basically learned directly by Gods leading.
TRUTH IN LOVE
I have, in 3 days learned of 2 suicides by young men, sons of hard-hearted Calvinists who are more concerned with being "right" than following Christ/ Mashiak's command to love and nurture them.
My heart is broken.
That's The Spirit of Calvin at work. In my research I've seen nothing in Jean Cauvin that is worthy of praise or admiration. The followers of his system have fallen into the trap of the most man-centered theocracy in the world. Everything thing was about Jean Cauvin and what he thought. Why else would Cauvin demand the Geneva councils declare Cauvin as the voice of God???? Why else would Cauvin demand the Geneva councils declare his writings as Holy Writ???? The honest answers to those two questions should send a shiver of fear through those who have followed and fallen in Cauvin's footsteps.
@ Anthony Moscato... Ah, bro, tough stuff, man. I too have a personal story to this asinine Calvinism militant doctrine. I absolutely detest it with every fiber of my being.
@@OneFabFisher What is your story?
You can't blame Calvinism for that. You can easily point out bad stuff from Arminians too. It sounds like unbelievers to me. I know many good and godly Calvinists. You're so wrapped in tribalism that you demonize your Christian Brothers and sisters.
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“For everything in the world-the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life-comes not from the Father but from the world.”
1 John 2:16
As a Calvinist I wouldn’t evangelize saying “God loves you sent Jesus to die for you” I’d say “Repent and be forgiven.” The ones in whom God works will repent, but the ones who are bad soil will harden their hearts.
Why is it not fatalism? What's the real difference?
I would love to hear Dr Brown dialogue with Dr Piper on this issue. Both very well respected in their own fields, both extraordinarily eloquent, humble yet brilliant men, and both passionate for their position on God's sovereignty as it relates to human will.
He did debate his friend James White on this issue
ua-cam.com/video/dmeMOo4nINA/v-deo.html
Smart people are also wrong.
Check his debates with Dr. James White.
Everything that happens in history has been decreed/Predestined before the world was created see Eph 1:11, Proverbs 16:33 and Amos 3:6. And yes even when terrible things happen, I know it's hard for some people to accept but look what happened when David sinned against God and one of Davids punishments was that God told him that he was going to use Davids own son to shame his Father by Absalom Absalom doing something immoral to his Fathers concubines in front of all of Israel, see 2 Samuel 12:11-12 God said "Thus says the Lord, ‘Behold, I will raise up evil against you from your own household; I will even take your wives before your eyes and give them to your companion, and he will lie with your wives in broad daylight. Indeed you did it secretly, but I will do this thing before all Israel, and under the sun." Notice how God said "I WILL DO THIS THING."That was fulfilled in 2 Samuel 16:21-22. Jesus did not die for every single person ever and Jesus didn't die to make people savable. He died to save his elect. In John 17:9 Jesus said that he does not pray for the world. The word world is used in different contexts, in that context he's talking about the non elect. In John 3:16 world means that he purchased people from every tribe, tongue and nation Rev 5:9 and for the children of God scattered abroad John 11:52. Some have been "long beforehand marked out for condemnation" Jude 4 and "appointed to doom." 1 Peter 2:8. About Pharaoh God said “For this VERY PURPOSE I raised you up, to demonstrate My power in you, and that My name might be proclaimed throughout the whole earth.” So then He has mercy on whom He desires, and He hardens whom He desires." Rom 9:17-18. Jesus said "I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and intelligent and have revealed them to infants. Yes, Father, for this way was well-pleasing in Your sight. All things have been handed over to Me by My Father; and no one knows the Son except the Father; nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and anyone to whom the Son wills to reveal Him." Matthew 11:25-27. So, 2 Pet 3:9 the "not willing that any should perish" if you read that letter in context, 2 Pet 1:1 says "To those who have received a faith of the same kind as ours." As far as salvation for all men verses, Paul was refuting the false notion of his time that God was only desiring to save just the Jews and 1 Tim 2:2 says to pray "for kings and all who are in authority" because as humans WE DON'T KNOW WHO THE ELECT ARE SO WE PRAY FOR EVERYONE! That's what it means in verse 4 by saying "all men." Amos 3:2 God said "of all the nations of the earth I have only known you." For centuries God passed over the majority of humankind because this verse isn't about knowledge it's about relationship. And it isn't because God foresaw Israel was more righteous then the other nations because sometimes Israel was more sinful then the pagan nations see 2 Kings 21:9. Only those who were predestined to be saved will be see Acts 13:48, Ephesians 1:4-5, Eph 1:11, Romans 9:11-23, John 6:37. 1 Samuel 3:14 God said “Therefore I have sworn to the house of Eli that the iniquity of Eli’s house shall not be atoned for by sacrifice or offering forever.” That's Limited atonement.
Romans 9:14 What shall we say then? There is no injustice with God, is there? May it never be! 15 For He says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.” 16 So then it does not depend on the man who wills or the man who runs, but on God who has mercy. 17 For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I raised you up, to demonstrate My power in you, and that My name might be proclaimed throughout the whole earth.” 18 So then He has mercy on whom He desires, and He hardens whom He desires.
19 You will say to me then, “Why does He still find fault? For who resists His will?” 20 On the contrary, who are you, O man, who answers back to God? The thing molded will not say to the molder, “Why did you make me like this,” will it? 21 Or does not the potter have a right over the clay, to make from the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for common use? 22 What if God, although willing to demonstrate His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction? 23 And He did so to make known the riches of His glory upon vessels of mercy, which He prepared beforehand for glory
Christian Praise and Worship in Songs, Sermons, and Audio Books amen God will have mercy on whom He will have mercy.
So the question we must ask ourselves is WHO does God sovereignly choose to have mercy on as clearly revealed in His Word?
Do you know?
If He chooses to have mercy on all in Romans 11:32 then who are you O man to question him?
Can the clay talk back to the potter?
*The big question is WHO does God have mercy on based on what He’s told us in His word.
Don’t assume that this verse means we have no clue who He has mercy on as Calvinists do.
Who is the God that we know based on the REVEALED CHARACTER of God in scripture?
...Paul is quoting from Exodus 33:9 when he says “For He says to Moses...”
We must go back to this Exodus account and read exactly what took place.
God didn’t arbitrarily for no reason show mercy to certain people choosing them for no reason over others.
We need to look at what just finished happening.
...According to Romans 11:32 we see the conclusion of Romans 9-11 that God might have mercy on ALL IF they believe;
32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, THAT HE MIGHT HAVE MERCY UPON ALL.
...Such an incredible plan of salvation that we can agree with Paul in the end of Romans 11 marvelling at the way God chose to accomplish His purpose in election!
He’s not marvelling because of a false belief that some weren’t chosen for salvation.
No, it’s actually the exact opposite. Right after Paul declares the mercy for ALL he’s marvelling at how God chose to accomplish this after just explaining it all to the readers.
How God accomplished it through hardening and through jealousy and it was all ultimately through mercy.
Truly incredible depths of wisdom and knowledge to come up with and use such a plan!
His purpose in election all along was INCLUSIVE.
Only when we can fully grasp this will we be able to exclaim with Paul:
ROMANS 11:33
11 O THE DEPTH OF THE RICHES BOTH OF THE WISDOM AND KNOWLEDGE OF GOD! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!
The Calvinist says I'm saved too bad about the others who are destined to hell and can't do anything about it. Quite a cult.
Michael, in your debate on Isaiah 53 you rightly said context is everything. Yet, you're not being consistent here. How come?
“Because inconsistency is a sign of a failed argument” saith James White.
It is telling when someone conveniently changes their hermeneutical approach depending on the subject discussed.
@@CaldwellApologetics yep, that's why Calvinism does not hold up. Context
@@CaldwellApologetics I remember James White saying that God wanted the Holocaust to happen. That he decreed it and therefore wanted it to happen. Same thing with the sex trafficking in Texas.
I don’t know what bible are you people reading,
The one I read, KJV, from Genesis to Revelation, declares God’s choice, from Abraham to the 144 thousands.
How can I have my name in the book of life, that was written before the foundation of the world?
How can all my days being numbered?
How can He choose me to do something in my mother’s womb?
And the worst one:
How can one believe in a omnipresent, omniscient and omnipotent God?
you are very confused, become like a child the Bible says, does a child have a degree in theology? theology is not needed, an open heart is
tony roy
So I am the “confused” one, and you are making the judgment.
I never claim to be a “ doctor “ on anything.
Very spiritual, of you.
Heb.5:12
For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.”
For the children, milk NOT solid food,
Can’t take!
tony roy
In plain English:
Rom.8:28-30
And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
I sure am glad you got that a KJV part right. Jesus hung on that cross to give us the KJV. God literally only speaks in King James English. That's why the Jews couldn't be saved. Don't even pay attention to the testimony of Martha in John 11:27. All those billions of Chinese trying to get saved reading those old mandarin speaking bibles. If God really loved them He would have let them learn 17th century English.
Reveals Gods choice for “WHAT”?
That’s the question you’re failing to ask.
Nowhere in scripture does it say God chooses an unbeliever unconditionally to become a believer.
Yes God’s choice is all throughout the scriptures but that’s light years apart from God choosing people to salvation unconditionally.
Of course it's fatalism. You simply claimed it wasn't but offered no meaningful distinction.
Both sides can be very complexed.
The way I see it from studying the scriptures. We're born sinners. That mean we are dead in our trespasses and Sins. How are we made alive?? Obvs by the Holy spirit IN Christ. But then I study at the other side and at the same time, it's as if* we have also been given a choice to choose. Because one, we have been given a responsibility. And two, God is also sovereign.
Did Judas have the choice to go out and do what he did? Sure. But at the same time, God worked through that so the scriptures could be fulfilled. Not saying God tempts evil. But that God works himself through what we call evil. And God means it for good.
Teddy Love's Clare
Was Paul born spiritually dead?....
Rom 7: 9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
@@evanu6579 We are all born dead in trespasses and sins. Paul was murdering believers in christ. God made him alive on the way to Damascus
@@theshakter You literally just ignored the passage of scripture that was presented to you.
Pail says he was ALVE once and you’re completely rejecting that and saying Paul was wrong in saying that?
Paul is directly against your opinion.
Released From the Law, Bound to Christ
7 Do you not know, brothers and sisters-for I am speaking to those who know the law-that the law has authority over someone only as long as that person lives? 2 For example, by law a married woman is bound to her husband as long as he is alive, but if her husband dies, she is released from the law that binds her to him. 3 So then, if she has sexual relations with another man while her husband is still alive, she is called an adulteress. But if her husband dies, she is released from that law and is not an adulteress if she marries another man.
4 So, my brothers and sisters, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God. 5 For when we were in the realm of the flesh,[a] the sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in us, so that we bore fruit for death. 6 But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.
The Law and Sin
7 What shall we say, then? Is the law sinful? Certainly not! Nevertheless, I would not have known what sin was had it not been for the law. For I would not have known what coveting really was if the law had not said, “You shall not covet.”[b] 8 But sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, produced in me every kind of coveting. For apart from the law, sin was dead. 9 Once I was alive apart from the law; but when the commandment came, sin sprang to life and I died. 10 I found that the very commandment that was intended to bring life actually brought death. 11 For sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, deceived me, and through the commandment put me to death. 12 So then, the law is holy, and the commandment is holy, righteous and good.
13 Did that which is good, then, become death to me? By no means! Nevertheless, in order that sin might be recognized as sin, it used what is good to bring about my death, so that through the commandment sin might become utterly sinful.
14 We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin. 15 I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. 16 And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. 17 As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. 18 For I know that good itself does not dwell in me, that is, in my sinful nature.[c] For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. 19 For I do not do the good I want to do, but the evil I do not want to do-this I keep on doing. 20 Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.
21 So I find this law at work: Although I want to do good, evil is right there with me. 22 For in my inner being I delight in God’s law; 23 but I see another law at work in me, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within me. 24 What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body that is subject to death? 25 Thanks be to God, who delivers me through Jesus Christ our Lord!
So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God’s law, but in my sinful nature[d] a slave to the law of sin.
Calvin's version of Predestination places God at the scene of every crime in human history. Removing the created being's ability to respond to God freely, according to the object's own will, desire, and intellect, through a doctrine such as Calvinism, renders God as unable to feel His nature reflected and developed in the object of his creation, and does not enhance God's glory.
As Reinhard Bonnke said, paraphrasing, 'God can look out of the windows of our eyes and people can see Jesus in us', If He chooses. We may also be aware when God is doing this. But God can't do this if we are living like the devil. God is not a micromanager or a fortune teller. He is not the immortal dualist God of iniquity.
1Cor. 1
Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
26 ¶ For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:
27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;
28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:
29 That no flesh should glory in his presence.
Choices, numbered, NOT MANY!
Sovereignty of God.
Good quote, I noticed he missed the context of John 17:9 as well,
This passage prices reformed theology is from the pits of hell thanks for sharing.
The foolishness of God is wiser than the wisdom of reformed theology.
In reformed theology God unconditionally chooses but in this passage there’s a clear condition.
Dr Brown, this is a verse I really don’t like; what did Jesus mean when he said “many are called but few are CHOSEN”? notice he did not say few are responding to the call..
This is a straw man.
Arminianists and other people who reject Calvanism believe that God predestines people, but not in the same way Calvanists do.
Peter 1:1-2 and Romans 8:29 state that God chooses the saved *based* on his foreknowledge. The Bible is clear that people have free will to choose Jesus or reject Him. God looks into the future and knows exactly who will ultimately choose Him in the end, therefore He chooses them those people to be the elect. In this view of God's predestination, there is room for freewill of the human. In fact, God's predestination is *based* on the humans choice. But Calvanism teaches that God ordains what a person choices are. No matter how much Calvanists will try to convince you that they *do* believe in freewill of the human, there is simply no room for freewill to fit in the doctrine. In Calvanism, humans are simply God's puppets and pre-programmed robots to do everything He destined them to do, without choosing anything for themselves. In Calvanism, every human on earth essentially doesn't use their brain to choose between salvation and damnation, instead God is controlling their minds and the choices they make from Heaven.
So, yes, God's chosen do ultimately make the choice for themselves to accept Jesus into their hearts. Notice in the verse how it makes the distinction between calling and being chosen. God calls all to Him, but few will accept Him.
Dr Brown jumping from John 3:16 to John 17 (or 1 John) to define world is just one reason to question his diligence on this topic. That's NOT how you approach a biblical text, even if the definition was the same in another part of the Bible. That kind of methodology is as faulty as homosexual activists misusing 1 Cor 11 to define nature in Romans 1, and he should know better.
Furthermore, and ironically (Dr Brown chose the chapter), the repetition of a holy action by God Jesus gives in John 17 (ie. "you gave them to me") is a strong argument against what Dr Brown is presenting here. The initiative for faith clearly comes from the Father, not subject to the whims of man.
You are GOD sent..... life changing. You are so much needed in this world⭐️✝️💙
i can understand the Depravity of Man as sinners ,and im in agreement with calvanists that by himself no man can gain Salvation . So according to SCripture God gives man grace so as to seek him as Paul stated in acts 17-30 .And Thats why Jesus can say -For God so loved his creation that Whosoever comes to HIm thru Jesus can have eternal life.Jesus himself pleads with many ,even Pharasees to turn to Him. and Many it says in johns gospel do turn. i was even surprised when i read it about the many. Jesus says to the pharasees and jewish leaders if you do NOt believe that I am HE,you shall die in your sins,He goes on to say ,i say these things so that you MIght be SAVED an i did not need a human witness ( the Baptist) ,He did many miracles so they all had no excuse to come.Here we have clear Scripture that ALL can come to God and turn Greek metanoia Repent.God Commands men to Repent.Calvanists have it wrong.They must negate so many scriptures to fit thier narrative.
"Jesus said, "if you've seen me you've seen the Father." Jesus is the will of God in action. He is the word of God made flesh. He is the heart of God in human form. You want to know what the father is like? Look at Him." Man. I just want to do a study on the character of God through Jesus. I know it wasn't the point of this session. But for some reason that really wrecked me.
2 Peter 2:1
[1] But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction. (ESV)
No calvanist can answer this. False teachers DENYING THE MASTER WHO BOUGHT THEM. That means 1: Jesus died for ALL. 2: that man can still choose to deny Jesus. Calvanism destroyed.
I love Dr. Brown, but calvinists do not teach that GOD decreed, made a decision for every step of man. He knows where is the next step going to be, but that is not forcing anything.
Ernestas
Calvinism does teach that. You my just not be familiar with how far Calvinism goes.
God bless you.
And the Armenian view is that God is powerless and Jesus blood is powerless they walk on it without thinking.
Yeshua Saves
Not so. You can be all powerful yet be compassionate and loving.
You don’t have to make him out to be the caveman character that thinks a woman on the head to drag her back home to be his wife. Is that the kind of power you’re thinking of? That caveman could have been just as powerful yet chose to try to win that woman’s heart over through his goodness.
Rom 2: 4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?
Ernestas, yes, Calvanism teaches exactly that. I'm assuming you identify as a Calvanist? You better actually know what Calvanism teaches before professing to believe it.
@@evanu6579 I am not going to argue with you you post alot on other videos and I see you get dismantled. Yes your view God is powerless and Jesus blood is powerless.
I'm really starting to like this Dr Brown
And I'm starting to understand why Phil Johnson and Todd firel have warned believer's about listening to Dr Brown.
I have respect for men like john Piper and R C Sproul. Both do well at defending the faith. While they have rightly taught the Holiness of God they have presented Him as (almost) un-approachable.
Romans 10:9-13 is explicit in saying that confessing and believing precedes salvation.
James 1:13 is explicit that God does not tempt anyone with evil. If He does not even tempt anyone with evil, I cannot see how He would determine human evil.
Thank you for this, use to be calvinist, thanks to you and dr flowers i came to the truth
The truth as you see it. I was an Armenian and thanks to James r white of aomin.org ( in part) I came to the truth of reformed theology.
Well you're wrong! If Jesus died for everyone in the whole WOOOOORLD, then those in hell would be paying for their sins TWICE, and that would be unjust. So Brown and Flowers are in error.
@@mojo7495 I'll pray for you..God bless you.
@@silversurfer2703 john piper and voddie and paul washer and sproul was the ones that got me into calvinism..i love all of them and their powerful preachers but i guess i was just predestined to come back out of it and believe that God loves everyone the same and wants all to come to repentance and has allowed all the ability to be able to respond...i can look at people now and genuinely say God loves you and died for you and wants you to repent, humble yourself and surrender to him...ill pray for you and you pray for me that the Holy spirit guides us into all truth..God bless you brother
@@themotorcycleguy5980 have you ever thought about why you accepted Christ while others reject him??? What is it about you? Are you more intelligent or more spiritual? What is it about you? But yes I'll pray for you and your can do the same for me.
Calvinism added much to the faith but unfortunately Calvin and his cronies did not understand certain things.
Just like Luther, we owe much to both but not all their teaching is correct.
we owe a lot to Baptists as well at least they did not try and make religion a state thing.
So with free men studying the Bible we entered into a better understanding and more liberty.
Thank you dr.Brown
Most Christians, including Calvinist, don't understand the sacrifice that Jesus made on the cross. Scripture says Jesus gave his life as a ransom for many (not all). He offers salvation for "the whole world" does not mean every human being, but that his salvation was not just for Israel but all places in the world geographically.
When Jesus died on the cross for our sins, he made a new covenant for his true followers. He was able to send the Holy Spirit to transform us to righteousness and conquer the flesh nature to set us free from the practice of sin, and it's desires. I think it is possibly even blasphemy against the Holy Spirit when people deny the power of the Holy Spirit to transform us to righteousness.
The Apostle Paul said that we are not in the flesh if the Holy Spirit lives in us.
2 Corinthians 10:3 Paul also tells us that we have been set free from sinful desires: "For though we walk in the flesh, we are not waging war according to the flesh."
Isaiah 53:5 says:
"But he was pierced for our transgressions; he was crushed for our iniquities; upon him was the chastisement that brought us peace, and with his wounds WE ARE HEALED."
Before Jesus came, the law that people lived under could not conquer the flesh nature. That is why people had to sacrifice animals repeatedly.
The cleansing that God provides is not temporary. It is permanent. When he cleanses us from ALL sin, we are made righteous.
Hebrews 7:27 says:
"He (Jesus) has no need, like those high priests, to offer sacrifices daily, first for his own sins and then for those of the people, since he did this once for all when he offered up himself." When Christians repent of their sins daily they don't have the Holy Spirit. They are still living under the Old Covenant, because they can't get clean.
Many Christians mock the Holy Spirit by saying it is impossible to conquer the flesh nature and stop sinning. They don't believe. They are watering down and diminishing the power of the Holy Spirit in their own minds & in the minds of others. They are mocking the miracle of transformation that brings us Salvation.
People flock to false religion due to the corruption in their hearts.
False Christians will dilligently search their bibles looking for loopholes to sin.
1 Peter 2:24 confirms that it is possible to stop sinning:
"He himself bore our sins” in his body on the cross, so that we might die to sins and live for righteousness; “by his wounds you have been healed.” When we are healed from the bondage of sin, it is permanent.
"If the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed."
Scripture describes false converts as continuing in sin, because they deny the power of the Holy Spirit.
2 Timothy 3:5 "Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away."
Scripture gives a strong warning of eternal damnation to those who reject the New Covenant by sinning:
Hebrews 10:28-29
"Anyone who has rejected Moses' law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace?"
God's grace does not free us to sin. It does not cover continued sin or future sins. It does not forgive deliberate sin. It frees us from sin. Ungodly Christians reject the gift of righteousness that God offers. False Christians cling to a doctrine of demons that tells them they get to keep their sins, and there is no penalty. This is much more appealing to false converts than the thought of giving up their sins.
John 3:36 jesus said, "Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him."
If people can't understand the clear language that Jesus used, perhaps their hearts have become hardened.
God, in his wisdom, does not leave us in a sinful condition, because over time, sin destroys the human conscience. When this happens, they are lost.
We can see evidence of a darkened conscience and a hardened heart when people mock and ridicule the precious gift that Jesus gave up his life to bring to us so that we can recieve righteousness that is required for Salvation.
When Christians reject the New Covenant, Jesus will reject them, and they will have to pay the full penalty that that the Law always required for disobedience under the Old Covenant. That means eternal damnation.
I’m no scholar but I feel like we’re reading our presuppositions into these passages. Jesus Himself condemns those opposed to Him, He says no one can come to Him unless the Father who has sent Him draws them. Only those who are part of the flock hear the Shepherd’s voice. Is God not allowed to choose from His creation who He wishes to save? Because the alternative is that we are the ones doing all the work by humbling ourselves and choosing God over our sin and selfishness. I think the former is more consistently backed up by the whole of scripture. Not just random proof texts interpreted eisegetically. Hope God removes this blind spot for you Dr Brown. Take care.
The problem is either position not one of the other. Both end up with people in (whatever you wish to class as) hell. Either by design of by inability. He desires to save all but obviously doesn't manage it.
Perfect response
If God is not sovereign over all things, then He is not God. God has a specific purpose only known to him why He allows things like for example Satan. I would like to ask Dr brown that if God knew what Satan would do, #1 could he have stopped him from being created, #2 could he have stopped him from doing what he did in his rebellion , #3 why didn't he? This is the arminian and semi Pelagian problem that they cannot answer with their doctrine. Can God prevent someone from sinning? Are there examples in the Bible of God preventing people from sinning (overruling free will?) In acts chapter 4, after the apostles speak about the crucifixion of Jesus, the most sinful thing that humans did in the history of the world.. who ultimately predestined it? It was God. These are hard truths but they are biblical truths.
God has, in his sovereign decree, given us free will because that is what God has chosen to do. The problems you face are much worse because for us, God allowed Satan of his own free will to be evil. According to you, he forced him to be evil. You ask if God allowed satan to be evil and the answer is yes. You ask why. I will give you the same answer Calvinists give us. For "a specific purpose only known to him." If you have a problem with Gods decision to give us free will, then you shake your fist at the creator. You are a pot arguing with the potter. Not us.
@@adenjones1802 sir, free will is free but it's corrupted by the fall. Free to do evil and rebel against God because it is corrupted. The Bible says we were en enemies of God - colossians 1:21. Repentance is pleasing to God before he saved us , but he's the one that causes us to repent 2 Timothy 2:25 because repentance is a Good work and cannot be accomplished by man's lack of goodness (corruption) . It is and act of God :Roman's 8:8 says they that are in the flesh or unsaved cannot please God.
@@clom801 Oh, you misunderstand me. I don't believe in the inerrancy of the bible. I have come to believe in Jesus because of rationality, not the bible. Not a single bible verse has ever convinced me to come to Christ. Logic, reason and the holy spirit did. I think the bible is wrong here. If it even is saying what you think it is saying. And no, the holy spirit does not testify of these verses. Also, no I am not denying the bible because it teaches Calvinism. I am denying the bible because it teaches that God is imperfect and makes mistakes. If you don't believe me see Exodus 32:14, Genesis 6:6 and numbers 23:19.
I will never believe that any book is inerrant if it claims God is imperfect. I would rather die.
There is no reason God would have made us if we don't have free will. You will say that he made us for his personal glorification. That doesn't make sense as it implies he is currently at an incomplete level of glorification and needs us to glorify him further than what he already is. I can tell you now that God does not need us to glorify him. He is already glorified. He created us out of a love for us and so we can take part of creation. Not so we can be predestined to burn in hell. The bible may very well teach Calvinism for all I care. But you can never back it up with reason. I can back up my belief in Christ with reason.
@@adenjones1802 there's no reason to debate then sir. You have built your house on sand and have no solid foundation without the truth of the Bible. The Holy Spirit uses the word of if God to communicate truth to us.
@@clom801 So you were too scared to read the verses I referenced then. I suppose if you want to affirm a gospel that denies the perfection of God thats your business. Good luck on judgement day when you have to answer for that. It doesn't matter. If I built my house on sand it was what God preordained me to do right?
Dr. Brown, does God know if someone will be saved before the foundation of the world?
As i live says the LORD, i take no pleasure in the death of the wicked. Calvinism says God is glorified through people's suffering in hell, but actually glorifying God PLEASES Him, so calvinist are literally saying God does take pleasure in the death of the wicked, that is satanic, only satan would do that.
The moment you throw something like that to a Calvinist, they'll not make any delay in running to Deuteronomy 29:29 or Their all time favourite, Romans 9:19 and use them to justify the obvious contradiction.
And when probed more, they will say something like "well, why don't you have a go at explaining the infinite mind of GOD" because they have this sort of perverted thinking that they can believe anything they want and then when they cannot defend what is obviously wrong, they'll just scrounge for verses like Deu. 29:29 or Romans 9 out of context, and throw it up before you
What are you talking about specifically?
Been saying this for years. Calvinism distorts the character and nature of God much like Oneness and Universalism doctrines do
Arminianism/Pelagianism distorts the sovereignty of God. In the Arminian/Pelagian universe, random acts of evil are happening all the time without any overarching purposes.
Dustin Paulson
Can you answer the comments/answers given to Michael in this comment thread by Christian brothers who answer it biblically?
The answer is right there in God's word, plain as day.
Here is my/Paul's/God's answer to one of his and many Arminians/synergists objections to the doctrine of election and predestination unto salvation and unto damnation; also known as "double predestination", NOT "equal ultimacy". A distinction made by White and other Calvinists many, many times and yet still ignored by Arminians/synergists.
The answer is given to us, just one example, by Paul in Romans 9.
The Arminian/synergist asks the very question that Paul asks using a literary tool called an interlocutor.
Paul, knowing the doctrine and the tension that comes with it, poses an objector in verses 14 "What shall we say then? Is there injustice on God's part", Paul's answer to the objector/interlocutor (still verse 14) "By no means!"
And again Paul brings an objector using the interlocutor again in verse 19, "You will say to me then, 'Why does he still find fault? For who can resist his will?'"
Paul's/God's answer, "But who are you, O man, to answer back to God."
Now I know you don't like those answers. Even as Calvinists, they don't satisfy our fallen, human minds. But there it is in God's word and Calvinists refuse to bring God down to mans understand and put him in the box of fallen mans intellec and understanding.
We don't claim to know HOW this is but we do clearly see it in God's word and therefor we believe it.
Re. Romans 9, of course God hardened Pharaoh BECAUSE Pharaoh kept resisting God.
If I put clay and butter out in the sun, one will become hard, and the other soft. So it was with the judgments God poured out on Pharaoh. Each one made his heart harder.
We can choose to become the butter or the clay! God commands us repeatedly to soften our hearts!
Romans 9:25-33 are about God's mercy. Who is denying God's mercy? The Calvinist, who says God doesn't want most people to be saved.
@@FRN2013 Do most people end up being saved?
@@FRN2013 Verse 22 shows that your interpretation of the passage is incorrect.
The objector is asking God, "Why do you still find fault in Pharaoh aka any of those whom you choose not to show your mercy to (verse 15 and verse 18) aka vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, (verse 22) when it's not according to their own human will or exertion, BUT it's according to God who chooses to show mercy to whom he wills and he chooses to created vessels of wrath (as we already saw,) why does he create vessels of wrath? verse 17, "For THIS VERY PURPOSE I (God) have raised you up, that I (God) might show my power in you(meaning show his wrath verse 22), and to what end, verse 17 and 22 that God's power will be made known on earth and also that to make known the riches of God's glory for the vesselse of mercy, which where prepared when?, "before hand, even us (those who God has saved, those who are apart of the elect all over the world.
Calvinism is based on HUMAN philosophy and as such it interprets the scriptures through a fogged distorted and imperfect lens while on the other hand , an spiritually guided (Holy Spirit) interpretation can not be defined in human philosophical terms, spiritually inspired texts must and ONLY can be interpreted spiritually with the guidance of the Holy Spirit!.
That's exactly why calvinism is full of theological errors and huge misconceptions of God's nature which leads to a distorted view of God's plan of redemption and salvation, calvinism is NOT the gospel plain and simple!.
If I had the time I would rewrite the bible. God does not need my adoration or glorification but God deserves my admiration for many reasons. I believe we are meant to be happy as I am sure Jesus was. The word of God can evolve if we allow it in steed of having false conceptions.
Romans 9:21-22 ESV - Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use? What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath PREPARED for destruction,
Isaiah 55:8-9 ESV - For my thoughts are not your thoughts,
neither are your ways my ways, declares the LORD. For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
so are my ways higher than your ways
and my thoughts than your thoughts.
Disappointed how shallow his understanding of Calvinism is.
I heard your message ( Why Calvinism does not reflect the nature and Character of God ? ) I agree with what you had to say. I too have shared with others the same message. God bless you Dr. Brown for speaking God's truth. ( Jamie ) .
If God is omniscient than wouldn’t He know ahead of time who would choose Him and who would reject Him? This issue is difficult for me to wrap my head around, because yes, he does grieve for us who sin and reject Him. Forgive me, I only got saved almost 3 months ago so I am very new to this. Thanks for this video.
He would know that in His infinite wisdom and knowledge; you are correct. Yet knowing that, He still made a way for ALL people to receive salvation through Jesus Christ because of His infinite love. What Dr. Brown is addressing is the Calvinist teaching that only SOME were meant to receive salvation while the rest were created to perish - kinda like saying some are on the guest list, others are not, and the list can’t be changed. The Bible clearly states that God desires that ALL come to repentance.
I appreciate your ministry Dr. Brown, but I respectfully disagree with your handling of the text specifically the meaning of “world” in John’s gospel and epistles. Also historic Reformed theology does not posit that “world” in John 3:16 means the elect.
Then call into his radio show w/ your supposed scholarly view!
No it doesn't.
OneFabFisher There is no need to argue with Dr. Brown being knowledgeable of Koine Greek he already knows these details but he is being led by his traditions not the exegesis of the text. No one is attacking Dr. Brown, my dear brother in the Lord, just encouraging him to be consistent with the handling of the text.
Gotta disagree with this one.
Dr. James White has addressed Dr. Brown on the 7/22/2019 Radio Free Geneva podcast. God's prescriptive will and God's declarative will. Reformed theologians have wrestled with the same questions Dr. Brown asks......but the Reformed have written books about their positions. Dr. White calls on Dr. Brown to declare WHAT position he is taking rather than continue to slide here and slide there.
The ultimate answer is found in the life and death of our Saviour. Did God ordain that He should be rejected...... yes. Was He rejected..... yes. God ordained that He should be killed by crucifixion..... was He killed by crucifixion...... yes. You can see where this is going so the answer is that God ordains all things that come to pass and no event in history was more evil than the only innocent person in history being brutally killed at the hands of wicked men and YET God is not the author of evil and man is FULLY responsible..... Yet it was ordained to come to pass..... Both are true, what we have is a paradox. Paul puts it best at the end of Romans 11 when he says; ‘.... who can know the mind of the Lord?’ It’s a rhetorical question.
This is the ultimate stance of Calvinism. God ordains evil, yet it pains him. God wishes all to come to repentance, yet he predestines some for destruction. God ordains the choices of man, yet they choose to do them.
We don't understand how these can all be true, yet the Bible says them, so we believe them.
Automated Riven
Amen
Well spoken Dr Brown. Thanks
He contradicted himself in 3:25 to 3:50
In jhon 3:16
He said God so loved the (world)
That he gave is one and only son so that whoever (believes) so it is the believers not (the entire world) ...
And after he mention
Jhon 17 that he was praying not for the (world) (BUT) for the one you are giving me (out)of the world ... he just said it but didn’t realise what he was saying .
So it is not (everyone) and we know that it is not going to be everyone cause not everyone will be saved ... why is it so hard to say that.
Romans 9 says it !
AMEN!!
And once you see it and you get it, you can never ever unsee it! 🤗🤗🤗
No Jesus did not contradict himself. If you read further down in John 17 Jesus expands his prayer, which had only been for the 12 disciples, to include the world. He says, neither I pray for these alone but for all those who will believe through their word. And that’s the problem with proof texting. Verses get taken out of context when you don’t read the passages before the proof text and after the proof text.
Here is refutation of the Calvinist claims about the potter and the clay, and about vessels of wrath fitted for destruction from Romans 9:
Jeremiah 18 is the potter and clay chapter, which is actually the scripture that Paul is referring to in Romans 9.
It refutes the Calvinist Romans 9 narrative, completely.
The potter and clay, and Jacob and Esau, is about NATIONS not individuals.
As Rebecca was told in Genesis 25:23 concerning her pregnancy: two nations are in your womb (Edom came from Esau, and Israel came from Jacob)
And ISRAEL, the nation from Jacob is the clay on the potters wheel, not ANY individual person destined to wrath or destruction - and as Jeremiah 18 shows us, God gives mercy on whom He wills - and He wills to have mercy on those who repent.
The Potter and the Clay.
Jer 18:1 The word which came to Jeremiah from the LORD, saying,
Jer 18:2 Arise, and go down to the potter's house, and there I will cause thee to hear my words.
Jer 18:3 Then I went down to the potter's house, and, behold, he wrought a work on the wheels.
Jer 18:4 And the vessel that he made of clay was marred in the hand of the potter: so he made it again another vessel, as seemed good to the potter to make it.
Jer 18:5 Then the word of the LORD came to me, saying,
Jer 18:6 O house of ISRAEL , cannot I do with you as this potter? saith the LORD. Behold, as the clay is in the potter's hand, so are ye in mine hand, O house of Israel.
Who’s on the potters wheel? Esau?
No. Israel is.
The Romans 9 account of Jacob and Esau is not about those two as individuals, but as progenitors of two nations.
We also find in Jeremiah 18 that when the potter speaks blessing over any NATION and they turn evil, God takes back his blessing and punishes that nation, and also when the potter considers a nation a vessel fit for destruction and they repent, He changes His mind about punishing them.
No nation (or person) is predestined to destruction.
Jer 18:7 At what instant I shall speak concerning a NATION, and concerning a kingdom, to pluck up, and to pull down, and to DESTROY it;
Jer 18:8 If that NATION, against whom I have pronounced, turn from their evil, I will REPENT of the evil that I thought to do unto them.
Jer 18:9 And at what instant I shall speak concerning a NATION, and concerning a kingdom, to build and to plant it;
Jer 18:10 If it do EVIL in my sight, that it obey not my voice, then I will REPENT of the good, wherewith I said I would benefit them.
This is the opposite of the reformed doctrine predestination narrative. The fate of the nations is dependent on what they do, not on being predestined to be vessels of wrath, fitted for destruction, and the Romans 9 potter and clay passage is not about predestination of individuals to hell, or to salvation.
God will have mercy on whom He will - and His will is He has mercy whenever there is repentance, and takes back His mercy, if they turn to doing evil.
That God changes His mind based on what a nation does (repentance) or doesn’t do right (turns to evil) absolutely wrecks reformed election doctrines.
BTW, the fact God hated Esaus but loved Jacob is used as proof that Esau was of the unlucky non elect, predestined to hell and damnation.
In reality that statement by God about Esau is a well known idiom to the Jews, that means to love less, not to literally hate - which is easily proven by Jesus telling us in Luke 14,:that unless we hate our mother and father, we aren’t worthy to be His disciples.
It’s obvious that Jesus isn’t teaching us to violate the command to honor our mother and father, or violate the law of love that Jesus proclaimed, that we must love our neighbors as ourselves.
Jesus is saying that we must love Him the most, and love our parents less:
Luk 14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
God loved Esau less than Jacob, he did not literally hate him
And Jeremiah 18 refutes the Calvinist imposing of it’s erroneous doctrines of.election into Romans 9, and turning it into the predestination of Jacob unto salvation, and Esau to damnation, and making it into God only having mercy on the elect, while having no mercy for individuals predestined to be vessels fitted for destruction and hell, and hating them, too.
We’ve seen that God has mercy on those who repent, and takes back His mercy from those who turn to evil.
@chadkincham sorry in my answer i was not saying that Jesus contradicted himself , but that the guy that was speaking in the video contradicted himself.
and maybe that romans 9 is not talking about predestination , but the Bible talks about predestination from before the foundation of the world i don't know about the rest. Bible also talks about elected people. God is not unjust cause he elects people. but in our 3 pound brain it seems like it. God chose to reveal .
It is said in john when peter says that Jesus is the Christ, that he did not discover that from the flesh but from the father, that means it is God that puts his spirit inside of us that makes us alive and able to have faith and respond in faith to what is preached to us.. i did not ( understand the gospel) th holy spirit made me alive spiritually so i can put my faith in God, so it is the work of God and not of myself so that nobody woud boast, like ephesians 2:8 says it. :) God bless you my bretheren thanks for your answer
An exegesis of Roman's 3 shows perfectly these three points. Gods righteousness does not depend on our righteousness or lack off, Gods righteousness is displayed through his law, and finally we can not live up to his righteousness. Therefore, it is not that man cant choose to be good but they are physically incapable to do so. The question falls apart in many aspects: the individual can not be perfect even if he chooses, that despite creaturly will Gods sovereign decree will always come into completion and no man can prevent it, and finally to imply that ultimately God is somewhat responsible for allowing sinful creatures is a total contradiction to the whole premise of Grace. Therefore, through the hearts of sinful dead totally depraved men, God is the only one that can turn their hearts of stone to flesh, and he does it out of His Will and His good pleasure for His eternal glory
J Mach
I’m confused as to how you went from man not being able to be righteous to concluding that he is therefore totally depraved?
Can a dead man believe the Gospel? Is he capable of doing so?
You know that many men kept much of the law. Can we keep one commandment, the one that states we should believe on the Lord?
@@evanu6579 Evan U Evan U because anything but righteousness is totally different from God. Therefore a theological concept of total depravity revolves around the solid truth that God should display his wrath justly to a sinner, for by the nature of sin, God totally abhors it. Therefore, a sinner is totally depraved, due to the high degree of Gods righteousness.
Second, no a dead man can not come to life by himself, it is only through the grace of God. Jesus did not ask for Lazarus permission to resurrect him, Jesus did it bring Glory to God.
Finally, "most of the law" is a bankrupt statement. For James in his epistle stated:
For whoever keeps the whole law but fails in one point has become guilty of all of it.
James 2:10
Therefore, with this in mind, the smallest glitch in our flesh is enough to set us under Gods Justice. See that we can not gratify God through our good works, for they are all filthy rags unto the Lord. The only good and perfect work was the Messiah boring the sins of those who will come to faith. Therefore, how can a dead man be brought to faith? John 6 answers it perfectly:
No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day. It is written in the Prophets, 'And they will all be taught by God.' Everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to me- not that anyone has seen the Father except he who is from God; he has seen the Father.
John 6:44-46
J Mach
I’m not understanding your first point.
With the second point, I didn’t ask if a dead man can make himself alive. Of course that’s the work of God. I asked if a dead man can believe as a prerequisite for God making him alive.
The third point wasn’t me saying that there is some sort of merit in keeping part of the law. I was making the point that since men are capable of not murdering as condemned by the law, wouldn’t a man be capable of believing as commanded in the new covenant? Perfection isn’t required to be deemed righteous in the new covenant. Faith is required. It seems like you’re conflating the two.
J Mach
As for John 6:44, what does it mean that whoever is taught of God and learns comes to Christ? Is it the responsibility of the man to “learn” so that he will be drawn by the Father?
In other words, can you hear but refuse to learn or hear but decide to learn?
@@evanu6579 with all love and respect brother, you have some major categorical error.
For the first point: whoever had ears let him hear.
Second point: you have a major misconception concerning the idea of being "dead in sin." If you are dead in sin, it is impossible for you to produce light in your darkness. I understand you are forcing synergism, however the act of redemption does not involve the will of man, nor does God's sovereignty depend on a mans will. It is meant to show grace for his good pleasure. Therefore, when he calls you, it's when you feel the conviction of the Holy Spirit, and start believing.
The point if the new covenant is that you can not please God, due to our totally depravity. (Romans 1-3) therefore it is now God working through us. Those in their disbelief are unfortunately not able to please God, no matter of their merits.
Lastly, it is not up to the individual. God makes himself known to whoever he pleases. Those who know Christ is because the father drawed him. Thus genuine coming of faith produces genuine learning and knowledge of the one true God. That is what it is teaching.
I'm not a Calvinist, but I do have a question about something said here. Is there a biblical precedent, in an evangelistic context, for telling people that God loves them?
I believe 1 John 4:7-21 explains it pretty well.
Verse 19 says that before we loved God, he loved us first. In Acts 10:34 we find that he doesn’t exclude anyone from the message of the gospel. In my opinion, there’s biblical support for telling people that God loves them, but what is often forgotten is that God wants them to repent them of their sins. God loving people doesn’t mean he loves them remaining in their sinful ways, he loves them despite it.
John 3:16?
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His Infallible, Holy and Sacred Name is YaH, NOT "God"
This "jesus" of Nazareth, the NAZARENE, NOT Bethlehem, was NOT The Messiah, he is NOT Who they Crucified for the sins of man.
"jesus" (Latin: Iēsous), (Greek: Ἰησοῦς)
Latin:
Je/Ge means "Earth"
Sus means "Pig".
"je sus" means EARTH PIG
Here is the REAL Messiah, Who they REALLY Crucified for the sins of man
Yad He Vav He is what Moses wrote (Dead Sea Scrolls Exodus 3)
Yad = Hand
He = Breath
Vav = Nail
He = Breath
Yad He, which forms The Creators Name YaH, (Hand Breath), as YaH's Hand Forms/Creates and His Breath brings forth life (Adam)
Vav He (Nail Breath), YaH's Sacrifice of Crucifixion, for those who call YaH Savior, His Breath brings forth life
YaH arrives via the Tent of Meeting (Exodus 33:7:11), the exact same way YaH arrived to Joseph NOT through childbirth.
YaH was NOT Crucified on a "cross", but according to Hebrew law (Deuteronomy 21), to be nailed on an Almond Tree for blasphemy as the Messiah claimed He was YaH. He was YaH!!!
@orangeclawhammer777
Revelation 22:16, your jesus tells you he is the offspring of David, NOT Mary.
Your god has children with human women, better tell your grandma, mom, aunts, sisters and daughters to keep a pregnancy test handy, they may be hours next victim.
HalleluYaH means "Praise YaH", NOT Hallelujesus dude
@orangeclawhammer777 Never. Feed. A. Troll.
How do we deal with Texts like this: The LORD has made everything for his own purposes, even the wicked for a day of disaster.? - Proverbs16:4
It does say He is responsible for the wickedness
Often verses that seem to support Calvanism are taken out of context. Try reading it in context.
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I YAHUAH do all these things. ISAIAH 45:7
No man can comprehend The Most High Elohiym.
@@ea-tr1jh Can you please provide the context?
@@machielrentmeester4882
I really don't see how Proverbs 16:4 in any way suggests that God controls people's choices or God destined them *to be wicked.* It is simply saying that God destined the wicked to the day of destruction. Those who are wicked God will punish... which is exactly what is said in the next verse:
"Everyone proud in heart is an abomination to the Lord;
Though they join forces, none will go unpunished."
By Grace through Faith in Christ alone. Jesus paid the price in full for all.
Would you ask God to save your kids? In spite of their having refused to hear you or the Gospel? Would you ask Him in His sovereign grace to over ride their will and save them from the wrath?