This was also a matter of Christianity becoming legal and the Emperor wanting to know what was becoming legal. This was a visible question at that time and needed an answer. People make false claims of what Christianity is to this day, we just don't have to come up with an answer.
Thank God for the wisdom of the Orthodox Church for honoring & keeping the feast days of St Constantine & for the first ecumenical council so that the faithful do not easily fall into deception & confusion about these crucial events in Church history & the people in them. Glory to God 🙏🏼☦️💖
Yeah, it’s not like Satan to lie and deceive and manipulate and lead these religious leaders for 15 centuries plus to get the BS Crazy views he wanted expressed by the fallen men who were there.
In my opinion this has been such a sticking point because us humans imagine we can understand and describe the nature of God. We can't. Our language and our simple minds fall short when it comes to knowing and expressing what and how He is.
@kombuchababy6542 we can imagine, and in doing that, we "create God in our own image." The OT is clear that God (the Father) is not a man lest he be mocked. Theologians argued forever that God is unlimited, but when we describe God, by describing that Limits God and God can't be limited. I know to some that may be like splitting hairs but it is where some others like me are coming from.
The council of Nicaea was like the Sanhedrin judging Jesus. They didn’t invite most, in whom had points of contention with those who were invited? Namely from Judiah, and the Eastern congregations. In addition, there were not a few, who disagreed with the Trinitarian stance. But after much deliberation and near mayhem. And under threat of anathema and excommunication from the Universal/ Catholic Church. All but two abdicated their view on the matter. As they were also under pressure from emperor Constantine to resolve the issue. Council of Nicaea, circa 325AD. As chronicled be Eusebius of Caesarea. Just as when the Sanhedrin neglected to call up rabbis who had come to believe Yeshua/ Jesus to be the long awaited Messiah, when they passed judgment on Him. Circa 30AD Facts are a stubborn thing- John Adams.
I agree with Nicea, and that the conclusions of Nicea were simply making official the already-consensus view, but the vote count was certainly affected by who was invited in the first place. The exile-return cycle of Athanasius seems to suggest that there were more than just a couple Arians.
It's hilarious that men think "what they had already agreed on" means "this is what Jesus HAS to be like when he returns" and this is how everyone HAS to do if they're Christian. God does NOT work like that.
If only we had examples of what have happened here today, God, creating a universe, like a programmer coding a world. God entering creation, like the programmer loading himself into his program, it would all be so much easier to understand. Too bad be don't have that.
I've heard there are physicists that say that thinking about the universe being a computer simulation resolves all of the anomalies and is basically a unified field theory.
I think it's sorta like that. You have a programmer and you need a language to code. The Word. This code, or word was with him, as him from the very beginning, separate and distinct but also him.
The father became the son (making himself of no reputation) and returned to full glory (being equal with the father) through the resurrection. In this way he is the literal doorway to heaven as our spirits require a way to be born again into the spirit realm, namely heaven. I'm open to discussion on the idea
He wanted to incorporate Babylon into his view of Christianity to gain popularity. Thus the reason for Christmas and the move from Saturday worship to Sunday. His father or grandfather, I can't recall which, was a follower of the ORIGINAL church.
Coming from me, who is unfamiliar with the circumstances and decisions at this council, I remind the viewer that a majority also voted to kill Jesus. 😂
Constantine was not involved at all. He simply told them to come together and solve the problem to end the madness. If Constantine would have been involved we could safely say we should turn away from whatever decision had came about that day as Constantine was and continued to be steeped in paganism until his death.
The rejection of the Messiah, Jesus, meant that Judaism became ipso facto an antichrist religion and is to this day. It's raison d'etre is the rejection of the good news of the once-for-all sacrifice of the one true Pascha Lamb of God.
@@stephen1137 It is NOT their "raison d'etre" their "raison d'etre" is to follow HaShem and perform mitzvohs and maintain the tradition of their people.
@rubiks6 Haha. You obviously don't knw anything about ancient church Christian history. Church been around longer than any of you baby PROTESTANTS. Basically you are still in diapers. Study more and let the Holy Spirit guide you. Where the Bishop appears there let the people be. Just as where JESUS CHRIST IS there is THE CATHOLIC APOSTOLIC CHURCH. St Ignatius of Antioch 107 AD. 😉🫡
The Roman bishop wasn't even there. Constantine convened the meeting, not any bishop. Constantine actually supported the view of Arius, so it's clear from the result that he didn't have any sway over the outcome. The Canon of scripture wasn't "set" at Nicea, nor by the Roman church.
Actually, in the Gospel of John Jesus was very clear on his relationship to the Father. Chapter 3 Jesus calls himself the only begotten Son. Chapters 5 and 6 Jesus said his Father gave him life. Chapters 16 and 17 Jesus repeats over and over that he was born of the Father and sent. John 17:3 Jesus calls his Father the only true God and mentions himself separately. The God, the one true God is not a Trinity, but a singular being who is the source of life for everything else that lives. Jesus is that one true God's only genetic offspring. There, mystery solved.
Except He also said, "I and the Father are one." "Long before Abraham, I AM." Sounds like He's saying He's God. Then John goes and says that all that was made was made through Christ, and that there was nothing made that wasn't made through Him. Sounds like His disciples actively taught that He's God.
Here is a classic example of taking the Bible as a two winged bird. On one hand the original comment seems to suggest one thing, whilst the second comment above me suggests another and they are both correct even though I feel the first commentor's conclusion doesn't allow the Bible and the authors of the Bible to say what they intend to say. Jesus Christ was truly God and was truly man. He must have had both character traits and He must have described Himself that way and be described in such a manner. But if you take one view and ignore the other it is like a bird trying to take off with one wing, guess what it will remain grounded. I love the way the commenter to the original comment has phrased his reply... "but it also says..." Now this is the second wing. Now you can take off. Be blessed. 😊
@MotleyNerd Yes, and the Bible says that a husband and wife are also one. It doesn't mean they are a single being. A lot of the confusion comes from the term God. God is not a name, it is a state of being. The Greek word is theos which means deity or our common usage of the word god. There is only one true God, meaning there is a singular deity who is the source of everything else that exists. That deity exists outside of space and time, has always existed, will always exist, and is the sole source of life. Jesus called that deity his Father and consistently made it clear that he is the genetic offspring of the one true God and was given his authority by his Father. John 1:14-18 clearly states that Jesus is God the Father's one and only son. As God's only direct offspring of course Jesus is also deity (god). The I AM statement in John 8 is a misleading translation. Jesus was not declaring himself to be the God of the Old Testament. All he was claiming is that he was already in existence before Abraham was even born. Jesus never claimed to be the God or equal to the God. In summary: Jesus claimed to be the Son of the God, Jesus has always been in subjection to the God, received authority over all of creation from his Father, and, according to scripture, participated in creation with his Father.
@@gregblake2764 By my understanding, a God (as the term is used in the bible), is not a state of being either. Rather, it is "a thing woshipped". Worship of Saturn is different than worship of Diana, because they are different gods with different philosophies. However, there is zero difference between worship of the Father and worship of the Son - to worship one is to worship the other in the same way. So, they are one God.
The problem is NONE of the people "defining" Christian beliefs were ever qualified to pronounce what Truth is. These are nothing more than fallible human beliefs. That includes the absurd insistence that ANY fallible human writings and/or proclamations could possibly be "The Word of God."
God inspires people to write, and so this is why it's called the word of God. Why people think it'd be without any error at all is not reasonable, however it's not error as having erroneous ideas, but errors of misspellings, and misunderstanding on our modern part because they were written at a different time when culture and language was completely different to ours. We tend to read as if it was written in modern times and for our people and culture. We need to read it with the lens of the past to understand what they were trying to convey and only then look for modern applications which there are many.
@@laugustam, It's only ordinary fallible humans who make the unsubstantiated claim that "God inspired the Bible texts." Nonsense. The Bible is nothing more than a collection of the words of HUMANs.
Unfortunately that view was a failure to the scriptures. because God is not three in one. One God: Yahweh/ Yah One Lord: Yeshua the resurrected Man and the son of God.. Not two Gods nor co-equals. God doesn’t have an equal, his messiah is his chosen Leader over his creation not his double.
They were there to form a religion. They needed to make Jesus into an unattainable Diety, while, completely opposite to Jesus' teachings, that we could never be like Jesus and that we needed to go through The Church to obtain a relationship with God and go to heaven...total hogwash!
I miss this man
This was also a matter of Christianity becoming legal and the Emperor wanting to know what was becoming legal. This was a visible question at that time and needed an answer. People make false claims of what Christianity is to this day, we just don't have to come up with an answer.
Its just a new attack from the same old enemy. Stand strong, Christians.
Jesus lives ♥️ and is God 🙏🏻 Christ ✝️ and King 👑
Thank God for the wisdom of the Orthodox Church for honoring & keeping the feast days of St Constantine & for the first ecumenical council so that the faithful do not easily fall into deception & confusion about these crucial events in Church history & the people in them.
Glory to God 🙏🏼☦️💖
Yeah, it’s not like Satan to lie and deceive and manipulate and lead these religious leaders for 15 centuries plus to get the BS Crazy views he wanted expressed by the fallen men who were there.
In my opinion this has been such a sticking point because us humans imagine we can understand and describe the nature of God. We can't. Our language and our simple minds fall short when it comes to knowing and expressing what and how He is.
I am daughter, mother and grandmother. Why is it so hard to imagine that Father God is also Son, and Holy Spirit?
@kombuchababy6542 we can imagine, and in doing that, we "create God in our own image." The OT is clear that God (the Father) is not a man lest he be mocked. Theologians argued forever that God is unlimited, but when we describe God, by describing that Limits God and God can't be limited. I know to some that may be like splitting hairs but it is where some others like me are coming from.
@@kombuchababy6542no that's modalism. The trick is to not describe God through analogy. It's closer to describing a paradox that isn't.
on the contrary, the entire point of Christianity is the unification between man and God, knowing God is precisely the point .!
The council of Nicaea was like the Sanhedrin judging Jesus. They didn’t invite most, in whom had points of contention with those who were invited?
Namely from Judiah, and the Eastern congregations. In addition, there were not a few, who disagreed with the Trinitarian stance. But after much deliberation and near mayhem. And under threat of anathema and excommunication from the Universal/ Catholic Church. All but two abdicated
their view on the matter. As they were also under pressure from emperor Constantine to resolve the issue.
Council of Nicaea, circa 325AD.
As chronicled be Eusebius of Caesarea.
Just as when the Sanhedrin neglected to call up rabbis who had come to believe Yeshua/ Jesus to be the long awaited Messiah, when they passed judgment on Him. Circa 30AD
Facts are a stubborn thing- John Adams.
Thus my conversion to becoming orthodox
Thus my conversion to become Reformed Evangelical. Soli Deo Gloria
I wonder what would have happened if they knew about the 2 powers in heaven at the council.
Nothing. They did. The old testament Hebrews knew about that. That’s old news.
This comment..
When in doubt ask Jesus, he will tell you.
This 100%. Isaiah 2:22.
The Bible will tell you
@@uwekonnigsstaddt524 Jesus can speak
I agree with Nicea, and that the conclusions of Nicea were simply making official the already-consensus view, but the vote count was certainly affected by who was invited in the first place. The exile-return cycle of Athanasius seems to suggest that there were more than just a couple Arians.
"Met with Nicea" what? Nicea is a place...probably he meant to say "Met at Nicea"
You'll probably never get over it.
I'm sure he meant met with the council of Nicea.
Decaf……
Ya think? Therefore you are right? You’ve justified your existence. Good for you.
Awesome 😎
It's hilarious that men think "what they had already agreed on" means "this is what Jesus HAS to be like when he returns" and this is how everyone HAS to do if they're Christian. God does NOT work like that.
If only we had examples of what have happened here today, God, creating a universe, like a programmer coding a world. God entering creation, like the programmer loading himself into his program, it would all be so much easier to understand. Too bad be don't have that.
I've heard there are physicists that say that thinking about the universe being a computer simulation resolves all of the anomalies and is basically a unified field theory.
I think it's sorta like that. You have a programmer and you need a language to code. The Word. This code, or word was with him, as him from the very beginning, separate and distinct but also him.
There is only one Person, and all the Godhead dwells in Him.
The father became the son (making himself of no reputation) and returned to full glory (being equal with the father) through the resurrection. In this way he is the literal doorway to heaven as our spirits require a way to be born again into the spirit realm, namely heaven. I'm open to discussion on the idea
He was involved only to the extent that he called/ sponsored the meeting. His favored vuew was forcefully rejected.
Dr Heiser, gone to soon
fire
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He wanted to incorporate Babylon into his view of Christianity to gain popularity. Thus the reason for Christmas and the move from Saturday worship to Sunday. His father or grandfather, I can't recall which, was a follower of the ORIGINAL church.
Coming from me, who is unfamiliar with the circumstances and decisions at this council, I remind the viewer that a majority also voted to kill Jesus. 😂
Constantine was not involved at all. He simply told them to come together and solve the problem to end the madness. If Constantine would have been involved we could safely say we should turn away from whatever decision had came about that day as Constantine was and continued to be steeped in paganism until his death.
It was also where they rejected any sense of judaism. Judeo-Roman wars greatly impacted the church, making traditions out of sin and not theology.
The rejection of the Messiah, Jesus, meant that Judaism became ipso facto an antichrist religion and is to this day. It's raison d'etre is the rejection of the good news of the once-for-all sacrifice of the one true Pascha Lamb of God.
@@stephen1137 It is NOT their "raison d'etre" their "raison d'etre" is to follow HaShem and perform mitzvohs and maintain the tradition of their people.
and what about the Holy Spirit?
how does she fit into the Godhead ?
Has He ever taught on this I wonder?
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It's already mentioned in Isaiah 63:10
Dr. Michael Heiser. God bless him and RIP in the kingdom. 367 AD. the Canon was already canonized by the Holy Catholic APOSTOLIC CHURCH. 🔑✝️⛪️🍞🍷🔥📖🕊
The false church. The church of man.
@rubiks6 Haha. You obviously don't knw anything about ancient church Christian history. Church been around longer than any of you baby PROTESTANTS. Basically you are still in diapers. Study more and let the Holy Spirit guide you. Where the Bishop appears there let the people be. Just as where JESUS CHRIST IS there is THE CATHOLIC APOSTOLIC CHURCH. St Ignatius of Antioch 107 AD. 😉🫡
The Roman bishop wasn't even there. Constantine convened the meeting, not any bishop. Constantine actually supported the view of Arius, so it's clear from the result that he didn't have any sway over the outcome. The Canon of scripture wasn't "set" at Nicea, nor by the Roman church.
Reformed all the way. Soli Deo Gloria.
Nothing Holy about the Catholic Church. Get a grip.
U know you would think that that's something Christ would of clarified while he was here riiiighhhtttt????
Actually, in the Gospel of John Jesus was very clear on his relationship to the Father. Chapter 3 Jesus calls himself the only begotten Son. Chapters 5 and 6 Jesus said his Father gave him life. Chapters 16 and 17 Jesus repeats over and over that he was born of the Father and sent. John 17:3 Jesus calls his Father the only true God and mentions himself separately. The God, the one true God is not a Trinity, but a singular being who is the source of life for everything else that lives. Jesus is that one true God's only genetic offspring. There, mystery solved.
Except He also said, "I and the Father are one." "Long before Abraham, I AM."
Sounds like He's saying He's God.
Then John goes and says that all that was made was made through Christ, and that there was nothing made that wasn't made through Him.
Sounds like His disciples actively taught that He's God.
Here is a classic example of taking the Bible as a two winged bird. On one hand the original comment seems to suggest one thing, whilst the second comment above me suggests another and they are both correct even though I feel the first commentor's conclusion doesn't allow the Bible and the authors of the Bible to say what they intend to say. Jesus Christ was truly God and was truly man. He must have had both character traits and He must have described Himself that way and be described in such a manner. But if you take one view and ignore the other it is like a bird trying to take off with one wing, guess what it will remain grounded.
I love the way the commenter to the original comment has phrased his reply... "but it also says..." Now this is the second wing. Now you can take off.
Be blessed. 😊
Wow, you left out a lot of what John said about Jesus. Such as “in the beginning….was the Word…”
@MotleyNerd Yes, and the Bible says that a husband and wife are also one. It doesn't mean they are a single being. A lot of the confusion comes from the term God. God is not a name, it is a state of being. The Greek word is theos which means deity or our common usage of the word god. There is only one true God, meaning there is a singular deity who is the source of everything else that exists. That deity exists outside of space and time, has always existed, will always exist, and is the sole source of life. Jesus called that deity his Father and consistently made it clear that he is the genetic offspring of the one true God and was given his authority by his Father. John 1:14-18 clearly states that Jesus is God the Father's one and only son. As God's only direct offspring of course Jesus is also deity (god). The I AM statement in John 8 is a misleading translation. Jesus was not declaring himself to be the God of the Old Testament. All he was claiming is that he was already in existence before Abraham was even born. Jesus never claimed to be the God or equal to the God. In summary: Jesus claimed to be the Son of the God, Jesus has always been in subjection to the God, received authority over all of creation from his Father, and, according to scripture, participated in creation with his Father.
@@gregblake2764 By my understanding, a God (as the term is used in the bible), is not a state of being either. Rather, it is "a thing woshipped". Worship of Saturn is different than worship of Diana, because they are different gods with different philosophies.
However, there is zero difference between worship of the Father and worship of the Son - to worship one is to worship the other in the same way. So, they are one God.
Was Arius himself present in the council?
Yes
@@BB-hh9kv but he was not a Bishop
Santa slapped him
How many gods?
The problem is NONE of the people "defining" Christian beliefs were ever qualified to pronounce what Truth is.
These are nothing more than fallible human beliefs.
That includes the absurd insistence that ANY fallible human writings and/or proclamations could possibly be "The Word of God."
God inspires people to write, and so this is why it's called the word of God. Why people think it'd be without any error at all is not reasonable, however it's not error as having erroneous ideas, but errors of misspellings, and misunderstanding on our modern part because they were written at a different time when culture and language was completely different to ours. We tend to read as if it was written in modern times and for our people and culture. We need to read it with the lens of the past to understand what they were trying to convey and only then look for modern applications which there are many.
@@laugustam, It's only ordinary fallible humans who make the unsubstantiated claim that "God inspired the Bible texts."
Nonsense. The Bible is nothing more than a collection of the words of HUMANs.
Unfortunately that view was a failure to the scriptures. because God is not three in one.
One God: Yahweh/ Yah
One Lord: Yeshua the resurrected Man and the son of God..
Not two Gods nor co-equals.
God doesn’t have an equal, his messiah is his chosen Leader over his creation not his double.
so the holy spirit was a late comer
The great apostasy has been in effect for centuries by this point. Authority lost. Revelation lost. Ordinances lost
That is "protestant" mythology. Pay attention to people who have taken the time and put in the effort to be able to tell us what actually happened.
@@arlipscomb incorrect, the Jewish Roman war is a matter of fact. Anti-jewish sentiment is firmly rooted in romanism.
So Christianity is a consensus of Yeas & Nays? 😮
They were there to form a religion. They needed to make Jesus into an unattainable Diety, while, completely opposite to Jesus' teachings, that we could never be like Jesus and that we needed to go through The Church to obtain a relationship with God and go to heaven...total hogwash!
It was already established, you foolish person, did you not hear?
They were bringing together and officiating what was already known!
Cite your sources instead of meaningless claims. Where’s your evidence for this?
Maybe read the Bible before you regurgitate dumb stuff like this
And Jesus was also a mushroom yes yes. Your tinfoil hat seems to have fallen off let me get that for you
"He is in me as I am in you." If you draw a Venn diagram, then it's pretty clear we all carry divinity.