Can You REJECT The Holy Spirit After Receiving Him At Salvation?
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- We assume that the dwelling of the Holy Spirit in a believer is permanent. And we'll look at passages in the New Testament where the Holy Spirit's presence in the believer is referred to as a down payment, or the arrabōn, which could be like an engagement ring. And we often don't realize that deposits do get withdrawn, engagements are broken, God did divorce Israel, the Holy Spirit did leave Zion. The Spirit of God is certainly with us and he doesn't plan on going anywhere, unless you tell him to get lost. Check it out!
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I saved this lecture. I will listen again.
June 8, 2023. It would be wonderful to follow Dr. Michael live!
@@sharonstanley2808He sadly passed away in February
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How would you respond if I were to say that the person who “gives back” or “rejects” their salvation , never truly believed, and were never saved to begin with? This idea makes everything fit.
“That which cannot be obtained with moral perfection can not be lost with moral imperfection.” Wow, well put!
Thank you for writting it.
So, if a believer sins by no believing(moral imperfection), he no longer has eternal life?
If that is true, that which cannot be obtained by moral perfection, which is our salvation. Then, it, our salvation, cannot be lost by moral imperfection. Wouldn’t that include a lack of faith also? To be consistent, we would have to conclude that a lack of faith is moral imperfection. Paul said that whatsoever is not of faith is sin. Therefore, any moral imperfection will not cause a believer to lose salvation, which would include a lack of faith. What does this mean? It means that a believer cannot lose salvation for any reason, including a lack of faith.
Andrew, if moral perfection cannot give us salvation and the moral imperfection cannot cause us to lose salvation wouldn’t a lack of faith be considered moral imperfection? If that is true then if we were to stop believing why would that cause us to lose our salvation since it to is moral imperfection. When Mike Heiser teaches that a believer can become lost through a lack of faith he is wrong. to say that we become lost through moral imperfection would mean that he is contradicting himself since he is already insisted that the believer can never become lost through moral imperfection. He is inconsistent in what he is saying.
@@bobforpples if you follow Mike Heiser’s reasoning on this then a contradiction appears. Because the lack of faith or belief is moral imperfection. Paul clearly said that what whatsoever is not of faith is sin if this is true then the moral imperfection of unbelief cannot cause the believer to ever become lost. Heiser is inconsistent in his own words the truth is the believer cannot and will not ever be lost for any reason disobedience rebellion or even a lack of faith will not cause the born-again child of God to ever be lost. Eternal security is clearly taught throughout the New Testament eternal security is not a separate doctrine from salvation. Once saved always saved is the gospel. If we are not safe forever we are not saved at all!
This is fantastic Michael. Yes, I’ve sinned, stumbled, screwed up, but I’ve never doubted who my savior is. 🙏🏼
Amen
Amen
I hate this very thought. I’ve been over it too many times. All I can do is hold tight. Man am I ever. And to all you believers out there, brothers and sisters, I love you. Any neighbors within earshot, I love you too.
If every believer can't say the exact same thing they are either not a believer or they have been brutalized so much by toxic preaching that they have not only doubted if they qualify for salvation, but they have taken away their anticipated rejection by walking back into the flesh and rejecting themselves. Millions of self rejectors who are securely saved and loved. Like rape victims they spend their days mourning what could have been and carrying on.
@@keansalzer8364 at the same time there are people thinking they are secure but are working lawlessness....
Very well explained.
Love is a decision and an on-going decision.
God will never leave us nor forsake us but we can leave or forsake Him,
Jesus said, …”Remain in Me and I will remain in you…”. John 15:4
Salvation is participatory.
We have a role and responsibility in our salvation and that is to believe and remain in Jesus.
Well done and we’ll said Dr Michael.
That is entirely true, but at the same time “All whom The Father has given me none will fall out of His hand.” And, “No one can come too me unless my Father draws him too me.”
@@pee8338just as Michael Heiser explained this so simply, John 6 is the same - that is speaking about 1st century Jews who already had faith in God - hence they were His to give to the son.. and of course they would hear his voice, because they already had faith in God. John later tells us, Christ now draws all men to himself.
“God won’t tolerate you believing in someone else.” Yes, that’s really important because things like the prosperity gospel teach a completely different God and Jesus. You must know WHO God is and what His character is like, otherwise it’s a false god.
Sorry, but you've mixed apples with oranges. Prosperity teachers believe in Jesus as their savior for eternity. They don't worship an idol. They believe the adopted children of the King of Kings should have the same things that the King has...abundance and blessings. And they believe you can access the family goods by faith in action. Their teaching has raised many many people out of poverty. They have also caused the crash of many people's faith. They will pay a price for that. But when asked the question of Heiser's teaching "Who do you trust for eternal life?" every single one of them would say Jesus. That's Heiser's point.
By the way...if you want to reject people from the Kingdom for preaching false doctrine why not include the overwhelming majority who teach you will lose your salvation by the choices you make and the sin you do. That segment of the preaching community is ten thousand times bigger than prosperity teachers. Sin Consciousness instead of God's Grace and Love consciousness. Those are the guys who are doing the real damage.
Kean Salzer wow, that's very insightful, Thankyou
By their fruits you shall know them that is what He said. Washed by His Spirit we are made free from all sin. That is the fruit unto holiness whose end is eternal life. Salvation is a promise of God and God cannot lie. Loss of salvation for any reason fails to tie salvation and cleansing to His blood and Spirit alone. The blood and spirit are in agreement and of course holy. Let your conversation be without covetousness for He has said I will never leave thee nor forsake thee. Covetousness comes from the heart and it is idolatry. From the heart the mouth speaks. I do not enjoy this but if you believe God will forsake you for any reason you are a covetous idolater. This is why He says “I never knew you depart from me you workers of lawlessness”. Do we then make void the law through faith? Nay we establish the law and by the law no man shall be justified but by grace through faith. He never knew them because they were never saved and lawless because the carnal and covetous mind seeks to earn the free gift any way they can. Who the Lord loves He also chastens. When we come under judgment in this way it is so we are not finally condemned with the world. I can cite every word of what I have just said if need be.
Incline my heart unto thy testimonies, and not to covetousness.-Psalm 119:36
I have been young, and now am old; yet have I not seen the righteous forsaken, nor his seed begging bread.-Psalm 37:25
Blessed are they that keep His testimonies, and that seek him with the whole heart.-Psalm 119:2
Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.-Hebrews 13:5
Whoso offereth praise glorifieth Me: and to him that ordereth his conversation aright will I shew the salvation of God.-Psalm 50:23
For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.-Mathew 12:37
For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved.-Romans 10:10
A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh.-Luke 6:45
For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness: All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.-Mark 7:21-23
Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.-Mathew 17:15-20
Instead of the thorn shall come up the fir tree, and instead of the brier shall come up the myrtle tree: and it shall be to the Lord for a name, for an everlasting sign that shall not be cut off.-Isaiah 55:13
But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.-Romans 6:17
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.-Acts 22:16
And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.-1 Corinthians 6:13
But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life. For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.-Romans 6:22-23
J R Amen! God bless you
@@keansalzer8364 so what you're saying is:
if some people end up in hell for eternity because of the loss of faith brought about by the prosperity gospel, then that's ok because some other people got rich?
That's the most broken moral compass I've ever seen.
Also, you've not read Matthew 7:21-23 if you think that every professing Christian is going to make it.
Immediately the father of the child cried out and said with tears, “Lord, I believe; help my unbelief!”
I'll miss your dearly, Mr. Heiser. I hope that you enjoy life in Heaven. I'll pray for your family. That was a very moving video. The Holy Spirit is so amazing, and I'm so thankful for the love that God has for us.
“I Hope that you enjoy life in heaven”
Ya cuz it could suck😳
@@beppiekNo. It's because we are not to judge who goes where.
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"But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him."
For some people, this will arouse fear in their hearts. Probably because they think eternal security allows them to behave like an unbeliever. For me, this was affirmation of God's commitment to me, because I have never stopped believing, even though I have let Him down a lot. I have always maintained salvation is a belief issue. Without faith, it is impossible to please God.
I’m one in whom it stirs up fear in my heart, and I do not behave like an unbeliever and have no desire to do so. What causes me fear is the possibility I could no longer believe. That terrifies me. I hope in Gods power to keep me from unbelief. If it’s up to me, I don’t know what will happen. He came to me and gave me faith to believe.
@@merideewelsh8722 It’s not about how BIG your faith is, it’s all about Who you believe in.
“If you’re falling off a cliff, strong faith in a weak branch is fatally inferior to weak faith in a strong branch. Salvation is not finally based on the strength of your faith, but on the object of your faith.” Tim Keller
@@merideewelsh8722 I do not agree with Heiser on this at all. Scripture does not back up what he is saying. People who seem to no longer be Christians or no longer believe, were never true converts in the first place. Read 1 John 2:19-21. “They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us. But you have been anointed with the Holy One, and you all have knowledge….” The first set of people were not anointed with the Holy Spirit. Read also Ephesians 1: 13-14 talking about being sealed with the Holy Spirit. Then there is John 10:28-29. “ I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hands.” No one can - not even you can get yourself out of His hand. Also, once you become a Christian, you have eternal life. It doesn’t begin when you die. He says He gives it to us and we shall never perish. I have eternal life right now. I do not have to wait for it. Read also 1 John 5:13, “ I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life.” You can have that assurance.
No, there are no unbelievers in heaven. The argument that Heiser makes is a poor one. “If any man be in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away behold the new has come.” 2nd Corinthians 5:17. Once in Christ you are a brand new person. If anyone becomes an apostate, they were not a true believer as 1 John 2:19-20 says. I quoted the Bible not Calvin. This is not something Calvin made up as someone in the video said.
@@merideewelsh8722 that sounds like an intrusive/ocd thought, ye it could happen out of a million other things that *could* happen but it has not happened...that's future, fearful thinking, who would put fearful thoughts in your mind I wonder? 🤷🏻♀️🤔 not God! The fact that being away from God distresses you says a lot y'know?
@@sherrihoward8150 💖
I miss Mike. I listened to Naked Bible podcast every day on my walks. I took his classes, loved his teaching, and the sound of his voice. The occasional snark and the firm insistence on allegiance. He helped me think more clearly and rightly about God. He transformed how I read the Bible and I love it more than ever. So glad I will meet him one day.
You believe it or reject it. Can a man or woman turn their backs on God? Well, yeah, how many people have come out as "deconstructing" their faith? The Word of God says in the last days there will be a great falling away. Falling away from what? Their salvation. I'm not saying God rips salvation away from us. I am saying our free will is always ours, and we are free to choose and to change our minds. It is foolishness to walk away but yet it happens. Can you lose your salvation? I believe you can, from your own decision. Hearts can be seared, people are handed over as reprobates . . . Just my opinion.
If it is possible, I do not think it can be done through accident, or being tricked, or anything like that.
I think it would have to be a fully knowing willful decision to walk away from the salvation in christ.
1 John 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
I was saddened by the fact Mr Heiser has passed away. He was as I found a brilliant teacher and opened up a lot of the Bible for me in other than more ways than one. Ive both his books "Supernatural & Unseen Realm" and have watched many seminars of his. God bless you Michael and thank you for all you did. I do hope when all this is over I can give you a Hug in Heaven.
Thank you Dr. Heiser I really needed this today . My heart has been confused lately and I needed to hear the truth . I am a sinner and without Jesus Christ I would be so lost . God bless you 🙏
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Mental gymnastics and horseshit.
Hebrews 12:1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us, 2 Looking unto Jesus the AUTHOR AND FINISHER of our faith…
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My brother,
I love ya…
but the Holy Spirit is a “She.”
Trust me…
Eww
@@EyesOpenInCaliforniaChannel obviously you have no idea what you're talking about. Have you ever exegeted anything?
@@bmartin16689
If you’ve been Baptized by water in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, after age 11, then ask God yourself if you don’t believe me. If you have NOT fulfilled the mandate of proper Baptism, in my End Times Playlist, there’s a video to do it yourself.
God Bless 💪🏼
I asked the Lord, “Why did you allow Dr Heiser to be taken so early and you allow wicked people to live so long? I feel like He told me, “Michael graduated early with honors, the wicked I sometimes allow more time that they might get saved.
Jesus says, "If you love me, you will keep my commandments."
“The spirit of God is with us, and He doesn’t plan on going anywhere.” Phew. 😊
The Spirit of God is the believers permanent possession. He is God in us! He is the promise and the guarantee of the believers eternal security. Unless you believe in the eternal security of the believer, you cannot and will not have the full assurance of your salvation.
@@ronaldsmith8237 Exactly!!!
God is bound by an oath. His own promise. He said that He gives eternal life to everyone who believes the gospel. This is God’s own promise, and He is honor bound to his word. If a believer could lose the salvation that God has given to them, then God is a liar; is this possible? Eternal security is not a separate doctrine from salvation. Once saved always saved is the gospel, it is the “good news” that Gods is true to His word. Rest assured, God will not lose you if He has saved you. He is going to keep you and take you all the way to heaven. That’s amazing grace!!
@@ronaldsmith8237 yes eternal life AFTER we pass onto the next life IF we have STAYED grounded in HIM. If we do not apostatize, we WILL BE saved
Ronald Smith believe is a verb not a noun
"You believe it or you reject it."
That is Scripture...right v wrong...left v right...black v white...good v bad...on v off...in v out
C. H. Dean it can seem like that at first glance...... I must say though, that the more I read it, the more I see Jesus and the revelation of the character of God
Thank you ❤️✝️ I needed this! You don’t know how much I needed this teaching, but God knows. May God put another gem in your heavenly crown, or a blue-eyed husky puppy in your heavenly dwelling, or a cherry red 57 Chevy in your heavenly garage, or whatever delights you most because you comforted a struggling soul on earth.
Michael you are such a blessing. For some reason my mind has been blocked to truly understanding salvation. You have opened my eyes to so much! Thank you!
I'm counting on my faith in Jesus Christ, being born again and sealed with the holy spirit otherwise I won't make it! Life is hard, especially if your not doing well financially. I pray God count me worthy to escape the coming great tribulation and be in heaven before the lamb of God unseals the scroll....as mentioned in Revelation
Believers in the Savior Jesus Christ Son of God are set apart from the Tribulation, not to be confused with daily personal trials whatever those challenges may be. But we are set apart from the Tribulation defined in Revelation. I used to worry about how this all transpired until I really started reading and understanding the Bible. Get yourself in a good Bible study group, program or online type of program if you are limited with time shared with fellow believers. Remember we are not given a spirit of fear, but we do have a Loving and Forgiving Lord who knows our troubles. Lay them all at the feet of Jesus pray daily for wisdom, courage, strength put on the full armor of God. You couldn’t place yourself in better hands than the assurance of Gods protection through the saving Grace of Jesus, it is not by works but by the Grace of the Lord through Faith that we are saved. Fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom, so if you have fear of the Lord rest assured you are on the right track. We all have to grow in faith and knowledge work out our own salvation with fear and trembling. I still on occasion go through fears, but when I lay my fears and trust in the Lords promises I rest assured he is always faithful.
@Hannelore Tepper Love your spirit! 😀
Blood doesn't actually seal, though. Doesn't say that.
BUT the Spirit does "seal". Eph 1:13,14
The blood purges and removes sin.
The blood purchases, because Blood is Life.
He purchased with His life.
Then we were sealed by our Father's Spirit.
Bless u my friend! ~ cj
God doesn't 'count us worthy'. We aren't. But in Christ we are!
@@jefflowrythor God never promised no tribulation,He did promise we would not see His wrath, big difference.
@@stryker5841 Hello , I don’t recall denying that tribulation has been detailed as prophetic scriptures, especially related to the book of Revelation, my understanding is that the tribulations are are specifically for those who have no belief but may have the chance to in those coming days be redeemed however small that chance there is hope for them, however the scriptures do support the pre tribulation theology as I will detail below. It’s okay with me if you disagree. I love the Lord and have accepted His forgiveness many years ago. Jesus is the only way we enter the kingdom of God, through His unselfish sacrifice and shedding of innocent blood, that we ourselves could have never have paid. For the wages of sin is death, (spiritual death) we would not have escaped the grave, only God could do that and he did in the form of Jesus Christ. Praise the Lord.
REASON #1: Not Appointed to Wrath
The primary proof of a pre-Tribulation rapture, given by the “experts,” is this: we are raptured before the Tribulation begins because the Church is not appointed to wrath. Coincidentally, that truth is revealed in Chapter 5 verse 9 of TWO separate books of the Bible: Romans 5:9 and 1 Thess. 5:9. Please look these verses up for yourself, to lock them into your thinking.
REASON #2: Kept From the Hour of Trial
Jesus Himself told the Apostle John on the Isle of Patmos that we (the Philadelphia/faithful Church) will be kept from the hour of trial. “Because you have kept My command to persevere, I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth” (Rev. 3:10). Notice also that the world is being tested. Furthermore, throughout the Book of Revelation the term “earth dwellers” always refers to unsaved people.
REASON #3: God and the Jews
The seven year Tribulation is specifically a time for God to work with the Jews. Both the Angel Gabriel and the Apostle Paul make that point. Let’s listen first to Gabriel, who is God’s chief messenger angel and speaks for God Himself (remember as we read that the Tribulation is called “Daniel’s seventieth week”). “Seventy weeks are determined for your people and for your holy city…” (Daniel 9:24)
The Church was NOT present during the first 69 weeks of Gabriel’s prophecy, and it will not be here during Daniel’s 70th week either. Gabriel specifically said it was a time frame for God to work with Daniel’s people (the Jews) and his holy city (Jerusalem).
Next, let’s listen to the great Apostle Paul. Remember, we are making the point that scripture teaches the 70th week is a time for God to deal with the Jews. “…blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. And so all Israel will be saved…” (Romans 11:25)
Here we see God’s plan. The final gentile is won to the Lord after we are caught away. After we disappear the blinders come off of eyes of the Jewish people.
I personally believe we are in the time of Israel’s “jealousy” right now. The Christians love the Jews, support them, and defend them, even though the Jews have no deep love for us. But their “jealousy” turns to “anger” when we are caught away. They will be angry that we have left them without friends on the earth. This is explained in Deuteronomy and Romans. Let’s read it in Romans 10:19: “I will provoke you [the Jews] to jealousy by those who are not a nation [the Church]. I will move you to anger by a foolish nation” [the Church].
The inevitable result is God’s chosen people will be forced to turn back to Him, as they will have no friends left after we are gone. We see that in the Book of Hosea. The last line in Hosea 5 says: “In their affliction [Tribulation, indignation] they will earnestly seek Me.”
It is unfortunate that it takes a series of catastrophic events to bring them to the Lord as a nation. Mike Bickle explains the situation like this: “God loves the Jews, but the Jews don’t love Him.”
REASON #4: Escape Doctrine
The rapture is our “escape doctrine.” Some scoffers have used that term derisively. Never do that. This escape doctrine is not to be ridiculed, since it was coined by the Lord Himself - words in red, in Luke 21:36: “ Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man..”
REASON #5: We Receive Our Reward
Revelation 11 makes it quite clear that we receive our reward while the earth is being judged. They are simultaneous events. Revelation 11:18 declares:
The nations were angry, and Your wrath has come,
And the time of the dead [saints], that they should be judged,
And that You should reward Your servants the prophets and the saints [that’s us],
And those who fear Your name, small and great,
And should destroy [concurrently] those who destroy the earth.
After we receive our rewards, we return to the earth with the Lord. It is literally a new day. The 7th one thousand year day we call the Millennium. The Jews call it the long awaited “Kingdom Age.”
I'm an orthodox catechumen because of your work. Thank you, Doctor, genuinely. Humans replacing fallen members of the Divine Council, God using material objects to effect spiritual change and the cosmic redemption of Christ were and are huge changes to my world view and faith.
God willing I will be as well, continue in the faith my friend
Dr. Heiser, thanks for the presentation. I'm curious to know what your understanding of justification is, in relation to the forgiveness of sins. It seems that with a new heart or being born again of the Spirit necessitates an unchangeable act. So would you say that the declaration of righteousness is only given after we finish life, or at the moment we believe? Or do you hold to a type of synergistic understanding of justification, working together with grace to bring about final salvation? My understanding is that there are only saved and not saved. Not a saved at one point and later leaving the faith. Meaning that if someone is truly born of the Spirit, they are new, they are declared righteous. Therefore, if someone leaves, it just means they were never new. Thanks brother.
I always appreciate your content. I finished reading Supernatural last night! It was a great read, I learned a lot on top of reviewing what you often talk about in lectures. I gotta get Unseen Realm, I think that will be more of my reading preference.
Getting my mind blown, whilst getting my faith jacked. Thank you LORD!
Calvinism's TULIPS has sent, is sending and will keep sending millions of souls to hell. Salvation is NOT unconditional!
Love this, needed to hear this today. Thank you, God bless you dearly brother in Christ 💖🙏
what a dumb question..of course you can reject the Holy Spirit..heck much of the church does..its called cessationism
Phil 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that HE WHICH BEGUN A GOOD WORK IN YOU WILL PERFORM IT UNTIL THE DAY OF JESUS CHRIST.
According to this sermon!!! Phil 1:6 is conditional!! Unless you stop believing !!! This video is rubbish!! The mystery, one new man, the body of Christ, a new creature!!! A new thing!! HolySpirit doesn’t leave anyone who even once believed today in this dispensation!!
@ChristianRebel “Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.”
- 1 John 3:6 (KJV)
Phil 1:6. Thank you
Yep. Heiser misses the boat here.
John 6: 28 Then they asked him, "What must we do to do the works God requires?"
29 Jesus answered, "The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent."
The spirit calls us to Jesus, is God reaching out and calling us to him through the spirit.
Matthew 12: 31-32
31 Therefore I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven people, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. 32 And whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.
The blasphemy of the spirit is to reject the spirit or to disobey the spirit that calls you to God and salvation through Christ and the only work required for salvation is to believe when we are called and told to believe. If we do that every other sin we’ve ever commit is forgiven, but to bless them or reject or not obey Godwin he calls us through the spirit to salvation, if we don’t do that, we are not accepting the gift of salvation through grace, and we stay condemned. It’s our choice, God already called us in the spirit, sent his son to die, and be resurrected again to be atonement for our sins, we are called by the spirit to repent and turn from sin and follow him. Excepting that is how we are saved through our faith and belief and obedience to the calling of the spirit. Our other sins don’t matter anymore and they’re all forgiven. Somewhere else in John I believe Jesus said those who believe in him and send against him will not be held accountable. We can’t lose our salvation by sinning again after being saved either the only way we can is to deny the spirit and reject is calling to believe. If we do that and stop believing, then we are refusing the calling of the spirit and that gift of salvation. He has offered to us and we choose eternal separation. God does not condemn us to help we condemned ourselves, and he saved us, we have to choose to give that up, we have to reject the calling of the spirit to come to salvation Belief in Jesus has the Messiah as atonement for our sins. He made it about as easy as he possibly could.
This video had perfect timing for me. I was talking about it with my wife. Thanks Mike!
I like his teachings but this seems very short sighted. Doesn’t the Holy Spirit change us? What about the teaching of predestination. If we can change our minds after we are saved then how about in His kingdom?
I like how my comment was just removed. No rebuttal--it was just removed. But as I said before, AND AS THE SCRIPTURES CLEARLY TEACH, unbelief is only ONE of the things that will keep a person out of heaven (see Rev 21:8). Unrepentant sin will also keep a Christian out of heaven. When a Christian continues in unrepentant sin, their orthodox intellectual belief will not save them. Their sin will separate them from God and their sin can grieve the Holy Spirit to the point that He departs from them, and thus will cause them to be lost forever, having been shut out of the kingdom of heaven. Believing boldly while continuing in willful sin (see Heb 10:26-31), lawlessness & iniquity will cause church-going professing Christians to be shut out forever from the presence of God. Do not be deceived by empty words from smooth-talking theologians with PhDs and popular books. If you are found to be living in sin when your time runs out, you will NOT be entering the heavenly Jerusalem. The SAINTS will go marching in--not the sinners.
The apostle of grace wrote (in Eph 5:3-7): "But fornication and all uncleanness or covetousness, let it not even be named among you, as is fitting for saints; 4 neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor coarse jesting, which are not fitting, but rather giving of thanks. 5 For THIS YOU KNOW, that NO fornicator, unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, has ANY inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God. 6 LET NO ONE DECEIVE YOU WITH EMPTY WORDS, for BECAUSE of THESE THINGS [i.e. these sins 'and the like'; cf. Gal 5:19-21] the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience. 7 Therefore do not be partakers with them."
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What ever happened to the gospel? I thought that Jesus Christ paid for all my sin. You say that our sin will keep us out of heaven. You clearly believe in a salvation by works!
I guess heaven will be pretty empty huh?
@@justinvanholland1569 Compared to the total number of all humans that have lived--yes, there will be FEW, exactly as Jesus said.
@@ronaldsmith8237 The gospel is "the gospel of the kingdom of God." God is a king who has rules that His citizens are required to follow. Jesus paid for the sins of the world, but not everyone in the world will be saved. Jesus requires repentance--and yes, He requires obedience and He requires that His people bear fruit and WORK righteousness. Jesus said "unless you repent you will all likewise perish" (Lk 13:3, 5). He said that "Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who DOES the will of My Father in heaven." Seeking salvation by performing the works of the Mosaic Law will cause a person to fall from grace (Gal 5:4), but the apostle Paul was not warning people against obedience to Jesus (producing good fruit) or doing works of God--which are necessary! In Acts 10:35 we read that "whoever fears Him and WORKS RIGHTEOUSNESS is accepted by Him." It is not works to obey the commands of God such as we see in Acts 17:30: "Truly, these times of ignorance God overlooked, but now commands all men everywhere to repent!"
Well spoken Michael, as per usual. Thank you for your time and effort. God bless.
YHWH DWELLS WITHIN ME NOW AND FOREVER
this is right... we are the temple of the Living God and The Spirit of God dwells in us... but the Spirit of God left the first temple bc of the unfaithfulness of Israel... we need to guard our faith..
That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:
Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory: (1Pt 1:7-8)
Trusting in another for salvation = spiritual adultery. Jesus also said put your wife away for no reason other than adultery so this makes sense that God will put us (his bride) away only for adultery.
Matthew 19:9
And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.
So simple. Thank you Michael.
Heiser is wrong ...Once you at a point in time believe, you cannot be cast out.
He avoids the topic of a shipwreck faith...Life can throw you a curve ball. He either washed us in His own blood or Ge didnt .....
Sorry, friend but I say this with the grace of God given to me. You are not correct in your thinking. Please forgive me if I seem to Lord it over your conscience, I am not. I ask of you to please read John 15 slowly and meditatively. Contemplate what is actually being said by the Lord. He gives conditions that are to be met. I am in no way judging your walk with the Lord nor the state of your salvation, but I do believe that you may be in error, friend. Remember that Apollos was a mighty preacher, but Aquila and Priscilla had to take him aside to explain the way of God more accurately. Acts 18:24 - 26.
He who began a good work in you will bring it to completion at the day of Jesus Christ. Phil 1:6
That’s a good proof text for eternal security
@@ronaldsmith8237 No, it a good prooftext for God's preservation of His saints.
@@episcopas it is God’s saints who possess eternal life (eternal security)
If this is facts then why warn the church about false doctrines/pastors, falling away , living in sin, shipwrecking their faith, returning to bondage .. since God is going to do everything, why warn me about these dangers to faith?
Yet, the very next chapter says: Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, cultivate your own salvation with fear and trembling.
(Philippians 2:12)
We'll, This is rather pathetic. As someone who likes a lot of what Heiser says, I'm very surprised and disappointed here. He seems clueless and over his head on this subject.
John 15:6 NIV
If you do not remain in Me, you are like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned.
You have mis-quoted that verse. Jesus did not say, if you “remain” in Me. He said, if you “abide”in me. To abide in the Lord means to walk with the Lord, to agree with or be in harmony with. This section is not about salvation, it is about fruit-bearing and rewards
@@ronaldsmith8237 the word for abide is meno - Strong's G3306 and can mean remain. Also, if you do not abide in Christ, wander away, reject Him, live a life comparable to the world, and we all know where the unrepentant world is going, you are a branch that is useless and it will wither and be thrown away, because it is no longer of any use.
I agree with you totally. Jesus made it clear that we are to endure and abide until the end. That is why the path is narrow and as He asked His disciples, 'will you also leave?'
I wonder if Dr Heiser is skimming over a vital ingredient in salvation? Obedience. We, just like the ancient Israelites, are commanded to obey the God we claim to believe in. That’s like the proof of the pudding right? “If you love Me, keep My commandments “ Jesus says that. Peter says, “without holiness no one will see the Lord.” I understand that it is the Lord who makes us holy and not ourselves, but in the context of the passage Peter is compelling believers to live in obedience to God and walk in holiness. Be ye holy, for I am holy. That puts a demand on US to DO something, be holy. I’m not saying “walk in moral perfection, blah,blah “ that’s impossible. But there is a commandment for us as believers in Christ to obey just as the Israelites were commanded to obey. If you believe in salvation through the atoning work of Jesus Christ, then you should have no problem with wanting to obey the One who laid down His life for you.
This was an excellent explanation to a question that is so often made complicated by men.
yeah no. This isn't quite right IMHO. I appreciate that he simply played his cards on this, but I can only assume why he comes to this conclusion. Generally, it sounds like he is trying to make the related passages relating to the loss of salvation harmonize with the traditional Calvinist/Evangelical ideas of "believe by faith once and you are saved."
There is a sucker punch here that he is falling for. On one hand you have the "pray the prayer" folks. On the other hand you have various derivatives of "you can lose it."
In my view, the best comprehension is in harmony in scripture and you can find support in all 3 major churches: Orthodox, Catholic and Protestant. Since this video is presumably to a protestant audience, I'll take that approach: What they call sanctification is 50% of what scripture simply calls salvation. Biblical salvation is Salvation + Sanctification. Biblical Salvation doesn't understand talking about the part of salvation only after death. OF COURSE eternal life and consequence is the more important, but if you learn NOTHING from James, it should be that the fruit of belief will be demonstrated in your life before death. In other words salvation will be seen in your life before you die. That fruit of belief James speaks of is salvation. Yes salvation is later after you die. But it would be SUPER WEIRD for God to sort of "not care" about SAVING us in our circumstances, given Jesus' earthly ministry. Therefore scripture calls it all salvation. Much like if you parsed off sex and said that because that act gives life, then sex is the marriage. No, you've lost quite a bit by constricting the definition of marriage to merely sex. But because we have had this raging debate with the Catholic Church asserting you salvation isn't "maintained" by works and nor is it lost by bad deeds, that debate has made it incredibly difficult to think holistically about the word salvation. Again, if someone said marriage and then everyone thought we were just talking about sex, it would be super weird to read all the passages about marriage. You would be so confused! Same with Salvation. If every time you see salvation in scripture, you think only of heaven after death, it would be a super weird read of scripture. Salvation is the Kingdom of God. It is the thing you live by or you don't every time you believe or you don't. You lose your 'deliverance' if you do not ask for it (do not have bc you do not ask...), etc. That's what scripture means when someone appears to lose salvation. They did not believe in this circumstance so they were not saved, though it was available. To those that are saved, it is always available. In this life, you can discard the benefit. Eternally, it cannot be "lost" once received in this life. The harmony is, this life is all about dress rehearsal for the real thing: abiding in Holy Communion with God forever. We think of anxiously about salvation for good reason: if it depends on us at all, we are really in trouble. He is the Author and Perfecter of the thing by which we are saved and it is BOTH a transaction and a process. The thing that "saves" us also "sanctifies" us: faith receiving the grace of Jesus in our circumstance and in our death.
So I’m thinking about this and this is what I personally believe. I’ve never questioned my salvation since I was born again in 1999 but I do believe that my action and behavior will determine how well I can minister to others. I believe God wants to use me for healing others but I believe that I can negatively effect my role and abilities by choices I make. What do you guys think?
Remember, God used Peter mightily (with the Jewish converts) even while he was double minded on the issue of race. Paul called him on it publicly and hopefully this loving rebuke helped him heal whatever brokenness caused this racism. God will use even two tiny fish. Give Him what you've got to give today. Let Him be the judge if that is worth blessing.
I believe we all have to make up our minds , I know exactly how you feel , I feel same way too and I know we have to lay aside every weight holding us back from obtaining that anointing for service that the Lord is calling us for... We have to become weak and helpless at His feet so that He can help us triumph over all obstacles
@@keansalzer8364 thank you! God Bless!
@@brandedforchrist yes! Thank you! God Bless!
Good assessment 👏
John 1:33 = "... the one on whom you see the Spirit descending AND remaining" ...implying that even though the Spirit may descend, it may not remain!!
this message makes me want to preach again ..it's been a long time and this really shook something in me and now I want to steal Mike's message .
we know this message but Mike made it fresh again .
THANKS MIKE
It's not called stealing in God's Kingdom. It's called discipleship. And maturity.
It's not stealing. It's called discipleship. You are free to use whatever is true to win others to Jesus.
The Holy Spirit is an "earnest" which means if the seller doesn't comply with the terms, the prospective buyer gets the earnest back!
In practice, this looks like being renewed in the Spirit of your mind, having begun in the Spirit by hearing with faith, continue in Him by continuing to hear with faith
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Salvation being dependent on Jesus is meant to humble us and make us thankful. It doesnt mean we have a license to sin, as if salvation isn't dependent on our own actions. Being dependent on Jesus means we cant earn our way there, or show up with a list full of good deeds and say to God "I earned my salvation, now let me in". Rather, our actions reflect our love for God, and he does require that.
That's what belief is. If you believe, you're life reflects that, just as Jesus said, "If you love me, you'll keep my commands." If you fail, and you will, Jesus is there to pick you up. We will fail, but he will never fail.
The person who comes after Christ does not just believe at one-time, but keeps believing. He/she is committed and devoted in his/her faith toward the true God. YHWH has no pleasure who draws back to follow the fasle gods of this world. It's not about your struggles but staying true to your faith in YHWH in the midst of it all. Eg. David, Peter. If you stay true to YHWH he will make all things right.
"The LORD is with you, while you be with him; and if you seek him, he will be found of you; but if you forsake him, he will forsake you." 2 Chr. 15:2
"Draw near to God, and He will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts, you double-minded." Jam. 4:8
1 Kings 18:18
"I have not troubled Israel," Elijah replied, "but you and your father's house have, for you have forsaken the commandments of the LORD and have followed the Baals.
Follow through, and YHWH will see you through.He is w
Amen.
What a breath of fresh air, someone teaching the Scriptural truth rather than denominational indoctrination. You can't fool God.
is this another angle to say you can lose salvation?
you are SEALED with the holy spirit until the day of redemption, as a promise!
-> *so YES : that's what the passage says : it is 100% guaranteed!*
None of your sin can break God's seal, not even your ridiculous sins of rebellion or unbelief -> all these are nailed on the cross.
You saying other wise is just you saying :
1) God can break his promises
or
2) you sins of rebellion / unbelief are not nailed on the cross.-
-> *either way is you not trusting God and his blood!*
Jesus said if you deny him he will deny also...
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*matthew 10:33 **_"32 Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven. 33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven._** "*
Just look at the previous verse.
This is a simple parallel : you accept jesus or you reject him.
If you confess him before men, then later deny him : in which category are you?
2nd? nah too late : you already accepted him! you are sealed with the holy spirit until the ay of redemption, and all your future sins are washed away : included the one when you deny him later.
If you do not believe that, then you do not believe your sins are washed away by the blood of christ!
@@nicolas9533 yeah, Jesus is using way to many words for nothing...
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Not enough words apparently, since you don't understand what he says ... too busy to search for your heresies in between the lines, of half-verses ...
another trait of unsaved people : they never argue the point, they just answer with sterile punch-lines ...
@@nicolas9533 you should be careful with your words... Not a single word escaping from your mouth or your keyboard will go unnoticed from God's attention... Would you like me to give you the biblical references of what I just said?
Tremendous teaching. Thank you Michael Heiser. Reassuring!!
This is absolute heresy. True believers sealed by the Holy Spirit will never lose the Holy Spirit. He is acting as if there is no difference between the old covenant and new covenant, and forgot the biggest difference: the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. Jews of the Old Covenant did not have the Holy Spirit to strengthen, convict, and maintain them like we do as Christians.
Amen. If no one can snatch the Believer out of Jesus’ hands, and He's the one who lives in the Believer, then a Believer can never be lost.
Colossians 1:27 GNT
*_God's plan is to make known his secret to his people,_* this rich and glorious secret which he has for all peoples. And *_the secret is that Christ is in you,_* which means that you will share in the glory of God.
2 Corinthians 13:5 KJV
*_Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith;_* prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that *_Jesus Christ is in you,_* except ye be reprobates?
A new believer after leaving temple sacrificial religion for faith in Yahoshua Hamashiach/Jesus Messiah the perfect sacrifice, the ultimate passover lamb! and experiencing the blessings of such a relationship even tasting the holy spirit, yet, the believer casts aside that faith in Messiah and takes back up the old religion of animal sacrifice for the forgiveness of sin, Paul is very clear in the book of Hebrews warning of the apostasy occurring in the new body of Messiah believers by Yahudite apostates who are wolves in sheeps clothing, blinded yet very religious.
Eph 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
What is this supposed to mean? Yes the believer can grieve the Holy Spirit; but we cannot grieve away! Why, because He abides with the believer forever! Dear friend, grieving the Holy Spirit does not result in loosing salvation.
@@ronaldsmith8237 That's what he's saying by posting that verse.
It changed because Jesus blood cleansed us once and for all. God don’t make mistakes so he will not marry you and divorce you if he knew you didn’t truly believe or you would eventually reject him.
The Old Testament was temporary with animal sacrifices. Jesus is the ultimate sacrifice.
“In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.”
Ephesians 1:13-14 NKJV
The Holy Spirit is your guarantee.
That’s the difference.
If you can’t show one verse that says the Holy Spirit left someone after Jesus ressurection then you are adding your own thoughts to the text.
Guarantee is guaranteed period.
I would need an example from the Bible to think otherwise. And I haven’t found one.
We are permanently indwelt with the Holy Spirit, we are sealed until the day of redemption.
even if we stop believing?
@Eleanor Pomagalski if you have ever believed you cannot unbelieve, and the Bible says you are sealed until the day of redemption.
@@williamprice1844 we will have to agree to disagree. I know of plenty of people who believed and then stopped believing. Falling into the sin of unbelief.
@Eleanor Pomagalski they didn't believe, they went with flow and didn't get regenerated, there is a stat that says 70 percent of kids that go to college that were raised in church are atheist or agnostic by the end of their first year . They didn't believe they just agreed with their parents to get them off their back.
@@eleanorpomagalski9733believing is not rejecting
Let me ask you this: If I choose to live a sinful life, but believe im going to hell because Jesus is real and God is good, when I die will I go to heaven because I simply believed?
A weak start (i almost left the video) but an extremely strong finish! Awesome words as always, Mike! Love you man!
I thought that it was a weak start and a weak finish. Mike clearly failed to articulate the eternal presence of the Holy Spirit in the life of the believer. If any believer could go to hell, than the Holy Spirit would have to go to hell with them! Jesus said that the Spirit will be “with” us, He will be “in” us, and He will “abide” with us forever.
We come into the physical world through a flesh-and-blood birth (childbirth). We enter into the spiritual world through a water-and-Spirit birth (the new birth). We are born of flesh _once._ We are born of the Spirit _once._ To say that a believer can lose the indwelling of the Spirit and then regain it sometime later is to say that a person can be "born again" multiple times. Typologically and conceptually, that's nonsensical. In terms of Bible verses that can be cited in defense of the doctrine of eternal security, there are many to choose from, but Romans 8:38-39 and John 10:28-29 are the best, in my opinion. Anyone who claims to be have been a sincere believer but renounces their faith, blasphemes God, and/or continues to live in unrepentant sin, was never saved in the first place.
I’m struggling with my life and security in all of life and this helped clarify things for me about my relationship with the Holy Spirit in salvation. Thank you so much. ❤️
In my opinion, the problem is that people confuse salvation with reward. They are two different things. Salvation is not your reward. Salvation is your gift. Your reward is what God bestows on you after he judges you.
Why can't we accept that God is doing a great work in us and that He won't stop until glorification?
Choice, as GOD is a word we can measure in truth when written.
Saul, the king before David, heard the voice of The Holy Spirit. Then he fell away and could no longer hear!
Paul says to walk out your salvation with fear and trembling!
Alot of Christians believe in once saved always saved. Obviously through scripture we see they are wrong!!!
praying for your health Dr. Heiser. Thank you, I so needed this tonight.
Interesting that "believe" and "follow" in the New Testament in the Greek is in the continuous ongoing sense
Thank you Dr Heiser for all you do for the kingdom. This is the kind of stuff we the people need to hear! its always in the back of our minds but we always rely on the preacher which in a lot of cases has a self theological pulpit to stand in. The plain truth is the best!!!!! You are the best!!!!
Not sure one can actually reject the living God if they have actually understood the one who revealed himself to us.
People reject what a lot of people (christians, pastors, etc) have portrayed him to be which is not true.
I remember as a child in a catholic school, a nun teaching us that our sin killed the son of God.
Now I came from a broken family that was sent into foster homes. We were all split up. I was later adopted and was told by catholic com services my parents had died in a car accident. I knew it was a lie. My life in that home was not the great adoption story people love to tell. I was not treated as their child.
But as a child hearing what those nuns said, I of course was made to feel the disaster that happened to my family and me was caused by some horrendous sin I did as a child. You can see also how one would think it must have been a past life sin. Crazy huh?
I rejected the crazy god of Catholicism who watched for me to sin so he could punish me. The one who they said was also love. Yes the double minded god of the Catholics where you never knew where you stood with him. I rejected him.
It was not the truth, so I actually rejected lies. And I am so thankful that I did because the more I learn about the real one. the more I wonder why anyone in their right mind would reject him. They are not being shown the truth. Thats why.
God is not the one doing evil in this world. He is the one who wants to deliver us from it. He cannot go against his own will.
I listened today to a preacher I respect who gave a sermon from Romans. He was saying that it’s proof we can’t lose our salvation because of what Paul says in Romans. I always saw it differently and it’s always concerned me for others how the common teaching of once saved always saved is taught. The excuse for when a person walks away from the faith is that person was never really saved anyways. That teaching never has sat well with me. The sermon today mentioned because Paul says nothing can separate us from the love of God, and then goes on to mention examples, is how this belief is that we are eternally ok. True nothing can happen that would turn the love of God from us if we believe. But if we don’t believe then the love of God hasn’t failed or makes that Romans passage untrue. I believe like parable of the sower that there’s is no false believers and yet this is a life long journey that there will always be things that will try to take our belief away.
My question is and will always be , if we are sealed like Dr Heiser says what about those who shipwreck their faith? Those who return to their vomit? Those who denied the one who bought them? What about those who will fall away from the faith? What about the lukewarm whom the Lord will spew out of His mouth??
Can you please reconcile this two teachings or is there even any reconciliation?
@@brandedforchrist Two choices right, believe it or reject it, says Michael Heiser. And I agree with that. He said we are sealed if we believe. We can be unsealed I suppose if we stop believing. And that is why when a person becomes a believer the fallen world will always be trying to push them to question, doubt, or deny that belief. Think about these religious muslims who will execute people if they say they believe. They give the people a choice to turn away from that belief and if they do say they turn away then they are allowed to live. The worlds is constantly attempting to turn us away from believing. We start with belief and have to end with belief no matter how bad our testing is. The Luke warm probably never really believed or "committed" anyways and so never had belief.
MrKurtn the lukewarm believed but according to Jesus in Matt 13 the cares of life and the deceitfulness of riches chokes their belief and they don’t yield fruits of salvation , while others believe for a while but when persecution rises they deny the faith and that’s why we were warned of the Israelites who were saved from bondage but got destroyed in the wilderness.. we are in our wilderness in this world and not until we enter into the promise land, we must continue believing lest we fall away
@@brandedforchrist that's how I see it also. The teaching that once you say a sinner prayer your saved for life is just so destructive to the faith. It's set people up for failure since they dont feel they really need to fight temptation that hard. Which gets into (you cant earn your salvation). I think though, exactly by the scripture you quoted above, it clearly is saying we do have some responsibility to keep the faith. Every time we let the cares of life in we get weaker, every time we dont choose to be lead by the Holy Spirit we get weaker. Why else would it also say the devil roams around like a roaring lion to see whom he can destroy. I doubt he's roaming around for those who dont believe. True God will never leave us, but we can leave Him. And that's where the teaching of dont worry about anything, your saved is dangerous mind sets. Believing takes an action of the person. It takes a faith to believe.
MrKurtn Well said sir ❤️✊🏾.. glory be to God 🙏🏾
Jesus said: ‘REMAIN in me and I will remain in you…’
(John 15:4).
Calvinism is a cult.
you need to talk to Jordan Peterson. He's so close.
Let God be true, and every man a liar! We don’t need to consult Jordan Peterson, John MacArthur, Mike Heiser or anyone else. God said that eternal life is the “gift of God” by grace, through faith (alone), not of works. Where else can we go to get the truth?
He’s there!
@@Corgio22 hey there! Who are you? Did you have a comment?
@@ronaldsmith8237 he’s a confessed Christian now.
@@Corgio22 who is Jordan Peterson?
Commenting to get it to 667 comments! Satan, get behind me! Lol.
Yes I think most of the mainstream denominations reject Him as part of their beliefs.
There is a distinction between receiving eternal live and being saved. Eternal life is a gift you receive the moment you believe the Gospel. Salvation means deliverance from sin in this life.
“For with the heart one believes and is justified(ETERNAL LIFE), and with the mouth one confesses and is saved (SANCTIFICATION deliverance from sins).”
Romans 10:10 ESV
"Dump your system, and start all over again" Dr Heiser. 💕
Maybe it's your system that is flawed!
This video shows extremely subtle covert legalism (conditional salvation) from a scholar whom I REALLY love and admire.
This kind of sophisticated double talk does nothing but sow the seeds of doubt.
Please hear me out.
To clarify Dr. Heiser's point...Somehow a person can fool an OMNISCIENT God into dwelling within them despite the fact that God KNOWS they're going to "aposticize"? God sees your whole life and knows whether you have chosen to believe in Christ and what He accomplished on the cross.
As far as Old Testament Israel goes...
Israel was saved out of Egypt despite many of them being in unbelief, and Israel was "divorced" despite many Israelites trusting Yaweh. God's dealing with Israel as a corporate whole is a totally distinct issue from individual belief or unbelief.
As A NATION, they AGREED to a CONDITIONAL CONTRACT at Sinai.
On the other hand, our INDIVIDUAL Salvation is a FREE GIFT. Any pre-condition, condition, or postcondition NEGATES that and would make it CONDITIONAL PROBATION, not SALVATION. We are JUSTIFIED BY FAITH and it is NOT maintained by the fulfillment of ANY personal human variable.
If I can do, say, think, feel ANYTHING that would cause the Spirit to leave me, THAT IS CONDITIONAL SALVATION, not a FREE GIFT!!!
Belief that appears to "fade" or flip flop was never belief. People may be fooled by the appearance of faith, but God never is.
Across the Christian spectrum, people love to chant "BY GRACE THROUGH FAITH!", "SALVATION IS A FREE GIFT!" followed by "As long as you...________" fill in the blank with your favorite condition. Our behavior, commitment, loyalty, contrition, dedication etc. are variable and inconsistent as long as we are "in the flesh". (Romans 7)
Belief is on or off. True or false.
Our salvation has nothing to do with our zealous pride and yearning for religious participation.
Acts 17:25 nor is he served by human hands, as though he needed anything, since he himself gives to all mankind life and breath and everything.
Either Christ IS who the Bible claims He is, and accomplished what the Bible says He did, or he is not and did not.
Ephesians 1:13 In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were SEALED with the promised Holy Spirit,
Ephesians 4:30 And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were SEALED for the day of redemption.
God doesn't accidentally join people to Christ and then kick them out. The Holy Spirit is not going to 'UNSEAL' anyone.
Reject the fear, guilt, and doubt that tradition has peddled for almost 2000 years.
Romans 8:38 For I am sure that neither death nor life, nor angels nor rulers, nor things present nor things to come, nor powers, 39 nor height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Amen!
God makes it plenty clear He is with me!
Haleluyah!
Yeah...1 Corinthians 6:9-11 American Standard Version (ASV)
Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with men, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
Those are human actions that shall not inherent the kingdom.
Ive been on this walk for roughly 10 years and still havent found my gifts. :-/ Ill keep praying for that revelation but it gets tough sometimes.
@@bohdandushkevich7908 What in the world is that even supposed to mean, lol? And yes Im well aware of E’heye Asher E’heye and His Son Yeshua Moschiac the living Creator of the universe. Does that clear it up?
@@bohdandushkevich7908 I will humbly disagree that we are all Gods. But I know what His Sons name is and what it means. There is nowhere in scripture that teaches we are all Gods, in fact the opposite is true.
@@bohdandushkevich7908 Psalm 82 is referring to God's heavenly divine council. Dr Michael Heiser explains this too.
Edit: look up Dr. Heiser's Naked Bible Podcast on UA-cam, episode 109.
@@bohdandushkevich7908 please read dr Heiser’s book Reversing Hermon and or listen to his UA-cam lectures on the Divine Council. We are not all gods. There is much more to the “unseen realm” than you have been taught. God bless your reading and listening to more of Dr Heiser’s teaching.
@@bobweird655you are right Bob. We are not all gods and I pray Bohdan sees my comment directing him to listen to more of dr Heiser’s teachings on UA-cam about the Divine Council concerning Psalm 82. Or reading Dr Heiser’s book Reversing Hermon. It’s much bigger than us or what we’ve been taught in church.
Keep fighting the good fight of faith. Believe He did it all at the cross. And when it gets hard remember this simple word of Jesus, “my yoke is easy and my burden is light”. So take His yoke ....all who are weary and heavy laden and you’ll find rest and peace in Him. You can trust Him. 🕊🕊🕊
Excellent presentation sir. It’s a short video of what I assume was a longer one. Perhaps you did, perhaps not, managed to explain three things.
First and most important, hopefully you made it CLEAR that the fact that we're not saved through our moral compass or whatever else we do, this DOES NOT mean that we have a license to OFFEND Him with our way of life. This is made clear in Romans 6:1-2;
"What shall we say then? Are we to CONTINUE in sin so that grace may increase? Far from it! How shall we who died to sin STILL LIVE in it?"
The whole chapter 6 of this book admonishes us NOT to do that and in verses 14-16, delineates the consequences:
"For sin shall NOT be master over you, for you are not under the Law but under grace. What then? Are we to sin because we are not under the Law but under grace? Far from it! Do you not know that the one to whom you present yourselves as slaves for obedience, YOU are slaves of that same one whom you OBEY, either of sin resulting in DEATH, or of obedience resulting in righteousness?"
Second, the definition of the Greek word “believe,” is NOT the same as the English definition that simply means to mentally assent, or think, and be persuaded that someone, or something, is “true,” whereas in the Greek it means to rely upon, entrust, hold onto, and not just mere credence.
I strongly believe that the vast majority of church goers fit the former category rather than the latter.
And third, salvation is NOT equal to the Kingdom of God and vice versa. Salvation merely moves you from the condemned to the un-condemned ranks, as in saved by grace.
Entering the Kingdom is something that you MUST seek to enter through the narrow door and way as warned by Him in the gospels by OBEDIENCE to His commands.
This is clearly unveiled in Phil. 3:14:
“I press on toward the GOAL for the PRIZE of the upward CALL of God in Christ Jesus.”
And in Col. 2:18-20:
“Take care that no one keeps DEFRAUDING you of your PRIZE by delighting in humility and the worship of the angels (so common in the religious world), taking his stand on visions he has seen, inflated without cause by his fleshly mind, and not holding firmly to the Head (as in the Greek word believe), from whom the entire body, being supplied and held together by the joints and ligaments, grows with a growth which is FROM God (as we lead our daily life in His ways)."
And thus:
"Run in such a way that YOU (individually) MAY win" (1 Cor. 9:24).
1 Cor. 9:27, is a scripture that goes right over the head of "believers," but shouldn't if you aspire to be a disciple. It tells us:
"But I STRICTLY discipline my body and make it my slave, SO THAT, after I have preached to others, I myself will NOT be DISQUALIFIED."
Disqualified from what, brothers and sisters? This confirms that ALL of us children of God MUST qualify for something, does it not?
Well, Rev. 22:12 He tells us WHAT, once you are saved, are qualifying for:
"Behold, I am coming quickly, and My REWARD is with Me, to reward EACH one as his work DESERVES."
And what IS that reward, you might ask? Look no further than verse 15 in this same chapter:
"Have the RIGHT to the tree of life, AND may ENTER the city by the gates."
It doesn't take a genius to understand that UNLIKE Salvation, a RIGHT has to be qualified for, such as that, where in order to have the rights of an American citizen, you must be born in it, OR be naturalized (Romans 11:17:24).
Therefore, although you are saved, you still may be a LOSER.
This again, is clearly presented in 1 Cor. 3:15:
"If anyone’s WORK (what you DO, people) which he has built on it remains, he WILL receive a REWARD. If anyone’s work is burned up, he WILL SUFFER LOSS; but he himself WILL BE SAVED, yet only so as through fire" (Read 2 John 1:8; Rev. 11:18; and 22:12).
Another way to become a loser is found in 1 Cor. 6:9-10:
"Do NOT be deceived; NEITHER the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor those habitually drunk, nor verbal abusers, nor swindlers, WILL INHERIT the kingdom of God" (Read also Gal. 5:21).
This is exactly what He meant in Matt. 22:13-14:
"Then the King said to the servants, ‘Tie his hands and feet, and throw him into the outer darkness(OUT of the LIGHT of His presence and Throne); there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth in that place. For MANY are called, but FEW are chosen."
DON'T BE A LOSER by trusting in your religion, denomination, church attendance, and a HOST of other EXTERNAL religious beliefs, practices, and dead works, take this to heart and AVOID a very nasty surprise at His coming.
"With people is impossible, but with God all things are possible” (Matt. 19:26).
idk guys i feel a strong conviction to test these spirits carefully, I dont understand how he can even think to act as if hes God saying "im stupid!" is this not blasphemy? im not trying to discredit him this is just an admonition. not only for dr heiser but the other gang as well
Yes, you need to be careful.
I cringed when I heard him say that and we also have to test the teaching too... can you please reconcile this teaching with Rev 3:15-16 🙏🏾
@@brandedforchrist What teaching?
C. H. Dean once saved always saved
@@brandedforchrist ...and that theological tenant is unbiblical?
Hebrews 10:26-27
[26]If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth,👉🏾👉🏾 no sacrifice for sins is left,👈🏾👈🏾
[27]but only a fearful expectation of judgment 👈🏾👈🏾and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God.
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Well i got baptised at 18 years but never understood what christianity is about. It was just like every school lesson, i didnt really care and just wanted to let the time pass because i didnt want to be there (school and so on). And at 27 i got a dream where a demon visited me. It was more of an experience (the worst ever) than a dream. Now im a christian "again", or should i say finally? Im not sure... Now a cat that i love (not mine) watches something with scare that isnt visible at all. And i watched a video of an electrician (a guy always hurting himself with currents and now isa meme, forgot his name) visiting switzerland (where i live). In the first 2.30 Minutes of the video you can see a black sillhoutte twice. The room turns red after he leaves it. My brother saw it too. I belive in Angels and so also in demons. I think the holy spirit took over my body again, and the demon is now outside my body and wants to get in again... Kinda annoying and i cant sleep properly.
1 John 2:19 (LEB): They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have remained with us. But they went out*, in order that it might be shown that all of them are not of us.
The Greek text here is admittedly difficult to translate. However, we can see in context that John's "they" is referring to false teachers (antichrists) who left the church and started teaching their own doctrine, which caused division in the church and some to leave the true faith. John is saying that even though these antichrists were once part of John's faith community, they were ignorant of the truth in the first place, which is why they didn't stick around. My point here is that John is talking about a certain group of people (people like Diotrephes, 3 John 9-10), and not everyone who leaves the faith. In other words, 1 John 2:19 is a timebound truth about certain people and not a timeless truth about anyone and everyone.
@@scottmacfeat2568 Yes sir, I understood that. However, if there was a situation in that time of the early church. Where there were some who seemingly were apart of the Bride. Then were later revealed to the rest of the Body of Christ to not have ever been genuine. Does that not allow for us to see how it is possible that those who "leave the faith" now, were never of the faith? Or are there some who are able to be snatched from the hand of Christ? Or were there never really given unto Him?
@@scottmacfeat2568 were they not sealed with the Spirit after they believed at one point? How did they leave the body and became an antichrist since the Spirit never leaves? This is the confusion that raises when we talk just one verse from scriptures and say it's the whole counsel of God..
I like this approach. "The question is who do you believe?" Of course, this opens the next question: "To believe," what does that mean? Dr. Heiser defines the belief as trust for your salvation.
Now, this is where it gets tricky because many people trust God for their salvation the same way they trust idols for salvation. 1 John 5:21 warns us against that. I guess it's al about salvation then. Salvation from what? Salvation from sin? Well, God saved ALL from sin. Yet not everyone goes to heaven. So what is it then that saves us?
FAITH? Yes, we are saved by faith and faith alone. So what is faith? The devils also believe, but they're not saved. As a matter of fact, they remain in trembling before God. 1 John 5:20 gives the clear answer. It's our identification with the Almighty through His Son, by faith, which manifests the presence of His Spirit , who cries with us "Abba Father."
Be not deceived either. Jesus will spue out of his mouth any lukewarm Christian. If we have fallen away, we must get up and come back to Jesus. There is a difference between fallen back into wilful sin and to make mistakes in our sanctification process.
Everytime we sin, we do so WILFULLY!!! Are you now lost, again? Of course not...
@@davenolen655
Thats not what the bible says.
Here, Heiser delivers a crucial corrective to the extrabiblical dogma of eternal security. Unfortunately, en route towards that noble finish line, he commits a logical fallacy, affirming, “That which cannot be obtained with moral perfection cannot be lost with moral imperfection.” He sometimes uses alternative phraseology: "What is not at all gained by performance cannot be lost by poor performance." In logic, this fallacy is called a non sequitur.
A single counter example is sufficient to demonstrate the logical fallacy: one does not gain natural life by perfection or performance, and yet one can forfeit natural life by (mis)behavior. In fact, it seems every gift which one receives gratuitously can be subsequently lost by one's (mis)behavior. Can anyone think of a single example that lends support to Heiser's homemade axiom?
Heiser always stops short of stating that we can forfeit divine (eternal) life by committing mortal sin (cf. Luke 15:32; 1 John 5:16f). It's strange because he rightly recognizes that the Divine Presence fled the Jerusalem temple when Israel sinned. And he rightly suggests that the dwelling of the Holy Spirit in the heart of a believer is not necessarily permanent (0:35-0:45). So, one expects him to say that the Divine Presence does flee when the individual Christian (who is God's temple) sins mortally. But he doesn't.
Granted, he does say, "If you believe, you have eternal life; If you don't believe, you don't." And he rightly understands "pistis" (belief) as carrying the force of "believing loyalty" or "faithfulness." It follows that, if one ceases to live faithfully, then one ceases to enjoy eternal life (cf. John 3:36).
And yet, out of nowhere, Heiser counters the biblical data and his own prior assertions, adding instead his own strange dogma, "What is not at all gained by performance cannot be lost by poor performance." He offers no justification for this non-sensical axiom. He simply brings that to the table.
You MUST REMAIN IN CHRIST!
You believe in a salvation by works. If it could be lost, then there must be something that I must do in addition to believing. Do you see that?
@Pond3r Thiz yes he most certainly is putting words into people's mouths he doesn't read comments properly and doesn't study his Bible at all!!!!!
@@ronaldsmith8237 Ronald I suggest you educate yourself before you speak and maybe find a different hobby cuz this one ain't working for you
@@kittykat632 the salvation issue is too important to dismiss. When anyone, like Mike or anyone else puts themselves on a platform and teaches something untrue, they must be called on it and held accountable for what they say. Again, when a person believes that they can lose their salvation, for any reason, they are depending on themself to some extent for their salvation. This is not right.
@@ronaldsmith8237 Kitty Kat is merely repeating what Jesus Himself said in John 15:4.
I wonder if there is someone out there that can help me.
I don't want to win an argument.
I don't want to fight.
Is it possible to have a contextual discussion in response to 80 verses that say it is possible to lose salvation?
i.e., "work out your salvation in fear and trembling?" Why?
If "Once Saved Always Saved" OSAS is true, then why bother with the Bible? There would be no need because all future sins are forgiven.
Am I, as a man among the men in the verse, "NO MAN can snatch you out of His hand?" John 10:28.
If I am in God's hand, am I in the position to attempt to snatch me out of His hand? Doesn't make any sense.
Isn't it stating clearly that other men are unable to snatch me from the Father's hand?
That means it cannot include me. It must mean I am capable of leaving the hand of God myself.
My point is that if I fall away into intentional, habitual sin, can God forgive that? I don't see it.
Is that not grieving the Holy Spirit?
That strikes me a blaspheming, the unforgivable sin.
Another consideration...
If God has me in His hand and I can't escape, does that break with the definition and nature of God? It doesn't sound like God is Love in OSAS. It sounds like he is manipulator.
Love requires by definition free choice, otherwise it is not Love. So, according to OSAS, God cannot be Love.
Also, that eliminates the relational aspect of Jesus. It cannot be a conditional covenant if the believer shows no sign of heart and soul change. In a relation that amounts to some degree of commitment.
OSAS makes the recipient of Jesus' perpetual forgiveness a
gold digger,
a user,
an abuser.
OSAS gives the newly born again believer the false belief that their is no possible destruction of the relationship on their part.
Just ask forgiveness when your feeling a little dirty in your conscience. Like the Jew... would simply buy another animal for the Rabbi to butcher to get himself a pardon from God then obviously be inclined to go right back out and wallow in the mire all over again.
By this simple reasoning God ceases to be a RELATIONSHIP.
OSAS becomes the ultimate "religion" because all other religions require the worshipper to do something to earn their the favor of any religion's god.
The OSAS religion doesn't require anything. It's god who does everything. He is a perpetual forgiveness machine. A jesus in a lamp. Just rub it and get forgiven.
Mockers of The God of the Living Bible do ONE OF TWO THINGS with OSAS-->
A) They join up and fool themselves into believing they have a legitimate Fire Insurance Policy. OSAS has given them a license to go right on sinning with just a little tinge of their conscience.
OSAS claims an "Antinomian jesus" who forgives their old, ongoing, unchanged, habitual, willful, intentional sin. Or,
B) They call out the OSAS preacher for the hypocracy and go to hell, an unrepentant, self righteous sinner (who needs the Saving Relationship of Jesus Christ, in life long repentance) all the while ignorant that Jesus said,
Repent.
Pick up your cross.
Follow me.
These words of Jesus Himself are matters of the loving, relational God. His Bible is a love letter telling us how much God loves us. I think He asks us at the same time, a simpler question,
"Do you love me?"
If you query the phrase, "losing your salvation," in openbibleinfo.com it will generate 80+ verses of Scripture about losing salvation. Can they all be out of context?
The Book of James is about "works by faith,"
"works gratitude."
It comes after Jesus bought us from the sin debt market by His Blood. Not, before.
I hope to find someone who agrees.
I think what Mike said in this vid is on this track.
But it's like a balance between the weaker and stronger brothers of Romans 14.
Weaker= Legalism, if it is done for salvation and not an Act of Love for the one who Saved.
Stronger= Antinomianism, if it is in benign disregard for disciplining the flesh to break perfectly breakable old habits of sin. That is trampling on the Son of God.
If you can lose your Salvation then it would be in every person's best interest to hurry up and die as soon as they believe, otherwise they might screw up and lose it in the future.
This simple realization helps to illustrate why I don't support the concept of losing Salvation.
They won't because God prepared works for them to do, to establish his Kingdom on earth. And the believers will desire to do that. Like Paul said, he desired to die and be with Jesus, but for the sake of the other believers he wanted to stay, to teach them.
I became a Christian outside of Brick and Mortar Church's. It has always crystal clear to me that I chose to believe and put my faith in Jesus as my saviour by my own free will. I also understood clearly that I could never lose my salvation. But I could reject my salvation and turn away. But that would be my own free will decision. Only when I started attending Brick and mortar Churches did it all get confessing or should I say they tried to confuse me but it had no affect on what I knew was the truth. I feel sorry for people who get saved in a Brick and mortar church as they have already been indoctrinated into the false branding of so many doctrines.
Deformed 5-point Calvinism is the worst heresy I have come across in almost every church I have tried!
Next would be the sheep babblers thinking they are speaking in some sort of tongues and rolling on the floor, literately!
The King James Only worshippers are so cult like.
Prosperity, name it and claim it clowns.
You are safer not to go to a Brick and mortar Church. A small home group is the model to find. I have been outside of these Brick and mortar churches for over 5 years because I can't find one single church that has not been corrupted by the above heresies.
Are you sure you receive the Holy Spirit at salvation? Acts 19:2 Paul said “Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?” They answered “No, we have not even heard there is a Holy Spirit” so this alone proves there is the Baptism of the Holy Spirit which is different than the act of Salvation itself.
The book of Acts is the history of the transition from the Old Covenant into the New Covenant. Once the Christian church was fully established, by the end of the first century, the question of when and how the Holy Spirit was received had been fully settled. The Spirit was received upon belief, and His presence was eternal. We cannot use the Acts of the Apostles to establish Christian doctrine. Those questions are forever settled in the epistles.
@@ronaldsmith8237 lol, whoever you have been listening to has you really confused.
@Desire Of All Nations the transition is found in the book of Acts. Moving out of the age of the law, into the age of grace needed time for believers after the cross to transition into the new dispensation of grace and the new working of the Holy Spirit. That’s what I ment by transition.
the disciples received the Holy Spirit 8n the gospels ..Jesus breathed on them and they received him..Acts 2 was the Baptism w speaking in tongues..which is the same thing you are talking about..without the Holy Spirit you arent born again and not saved
@@ronaldsmith8237 you cannot use the acts of the apostles to establish doctrine...this is retarded...it is a standard cessationist argument w 0 scriptural validity
The Holy Spirit isn’t a he, it’s an it! This is the first correction to be made! Next, yes one can reject the HS after receiving it. That’s what the “unpardonable sin” of Luke 12:10 is all about! This person will be resurrected to the second death in the third resurrection.
I was just speaking to my sister about this subject today! Interesting how God allowed this video to be uploaded this evening.
I've always said yes the Holy Spirit will indwell in us he never possesses us like a demon would.
What are you saying? He never possesses us? The fact is the Holy Spirit, who is God, goes in fact possess us! He owns the believer, we are His possession. The believer is forever indwelt by the Holy Spirit. And He comes to us and in us the moment we believe. This is, in the most simple terms what it means to be saved. We have the eternal Spirit of God living in us, we who have believed the gospel.
@@ronaldsmith8237 learn to read Ronald UGHH people like you just ughh😖
@@kittykat632 right right...but what you said was spot on I think. Yes, we give ourselves over to be God's possession, but He does not interfere with our free will by taking control of us like a demon would. Lol try not to get too mad, he will figure it out eventually
@@astoneofstumbling1341 not mad just it just a bit frustrating 😆
@@kittykat632 I completely understand lol, sometimes people really try our patience. It's good practice really :)
I do not believe we can lose our Salvation, what I'm confused about is someone who accepts Jesus as their Lord and Savior, their Salvation, and then they willingly walk away from The Lord. Whenever I ask about this the pat answer is, well then they weren't really saved. How can anyone other than The Holy Spirit know that? I've seen this happen with someone very close to me who, when their spouse committed adultery, absolutely renounced The Lord and walked away from Him. To this day, he has not cone back to The Lord. So if one can never lose their Salvation that means that we lose free will after we are saved. I cannot find this anywhere in Scripture. No one can pluck us out of God's hands but we can certainly decide to walk away from Him- unless we lose free will. I believe that there is a difference between "once saved, always saved," and Eternal Security and that is where the confusion is. There is no passage, and I've never seen one, that proves that man is not a free moral agent all the days of his life, whether he is saved or unsaved.
Jesus said, in Matthew 10:22, "Whoever endures to the end shall be saved." It is possible to not endure to the end, or this Scripture is meaningless. John 6:66 says, From that time MANY OF HIS DISCIPLES WENT BACK, and WALKED NO MORE WITH HIM." In John 8:31 Jesus said, "IF you continue in My Word, then you are my disciples indeed." There's so many more verses that clearly imply that Salvation can be lost or, more accurately, given up. I'm not talking about losing your Salation every time you sin or the idea that you have to DO anything to be saved or to stay saved. Philippians 2:12-13 says, "Therefore, my beloved (believers), as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own Salvation with fear and trembling; for it is God Who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure." This does not mean we live in fear of losing our Salvation. We are to "work out" our Salvation- by living the life of a Christian by bearing good fruit. It doesn't mean "work for" because the Bible is clear that Salvation is by faith alone and not of works. Ephesians 2:8-9, "For by GRACE you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boasts." Fear here is the reverent fear of The Lord. I do not want to start arguments over this, I just want to understand how once one is saved they cannot renounce The Lord, or how one loses their free will at the time of their Salvation. I know more than a few people who think if they accepted The Lord once in their life they're saved and going to Heaven even though they have never truly served Him. That concerns me deeply.