God as More than One Person in the OLD TESTAMENT?
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Sir please debate Rabbi Skobac , Blumenthal, Eli Cohen, Singer or Nehemiah Gordon on the pagan Trinity issue.
@@freefree526 1 John 5 7 KJV
@@brucedressel4523 sir you must be joking, this verse was not found in any greek testament until the eleventh century. It is fraudulent and we all know it. Why on earth is it left out of all highly accurate versions.
@@freefree526 Enjoy your fables.
@@brucedressel4523 these are established facts take some masculinity pills because you argue in the most effeminate way. Check your Macarthur study bible it will concur. I want to as a Jew thank you for distorting verses in the Tanak, parachuting down in the middle of chapters, in the middle of books and twisting them to butress your naked assertions. Thank you for Martin Luther of saxony for burning down and stealing our properties. How we could have survived without christian love for the last 1900 years in unfathomable. Read Isaiah which was not his name at all, chapter 7 verses 1-16. It has nothing to do with a virgin birth., At all.
Rest in Power, Doc. I'm sure you were greeted by the Father with "well done, good and faithful servant. Enter into your rest."
These words are of the Son of God/the WORD, but anyways.. praise the Triune Lord YESHUA EL SHADDAI.
"Enter into your rest" is in reference to God in Hebrew 3 & 4.
Dr. Heiser, in my humble opinion you have an unmatched gift for the deciphering of Biblical texts/languages and passing that information on to others. Amazing.
You take the the Bible and make it approachable, applicable and amusing. AAA talent! You are the only Biblical scholar that i have found to date, that I can listen to all day! I suppose even more important is that fact that I actually remember what I hear from your lecture material..Probably because now it finally all makes some SENSE.
You obviously have not heard the best bible teacher there ever was: Dr Chuck Missler.
Its funny, God the Father either speaks for himself, or God uses his Angles to speak
on his behalf or uses his Son to speak on his behalf, its interchangeable.
@@germanslice Are they all him though?
@@andrewpayne4466 The Son is the Advocate to the Father or the Mediator. The Holy Ghost the Third Member Spirit Personage of the Godhead and He is the Testator or the Messenger of the Father and Son. So God can speak also through the Holy Ghost, or through Angles, or through his Son.
No you haven't listened to your only teacher Jesus Christ .
I love that wonderful passage in Joshua 5. God as man. What a wonderful mystery is our Salvation!
It was 300 years ago that wall Jehio was brought down it. Before Joshua arrive.
Through my following of the lessons of Rob Skiba and Zen Garcia, the old Aramaic targum had the phrase “Word of the Lord” 270 times in the OT, from Genesis 3 itself, which the KJV most times changed it to just LORD, meaning YHWH. Knowing this helps you appreciate John 1:1 even more. The Person who was doing all these things, was none other than the pre-incarnate Lord Jesus Himself, Yeshua who is also YHWH.
By the Word of The Lord were the heavens made.
Amen my brother. Thank you. That is what I always believed. I never knew it was in the Targum.
YHWH the father is the logos as is his spirit. I john 5:7.
Were the targums exact translations, or were they more interpretive here and there? I don’t know if they’re a reliable basis for the original form of the text
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Thank you, Dr. Heiser, good lesson. Blessings and Merry Christmas to you and your loved ones. Jesus lives and is getting ready to take his children home, Amen.
This why Jude 5 is perfectly coherent reading, “...although you once fully knew it, that JESUS, who saved a people out of the land of Egypt..” The oldest manuscripts have JESUS here. Also Isaiah 63:9...”the angel of His presence saved them.” We know who that is.
Jesus is not the angel of the Lord.
@@Rotisiv well the Old Testament teaches a multi-personal God. So if the Old Testament references to YHWH are primarily to the father then the references to the angel of YHWH can be seen as references to Jesus as the Angel of YHWH is YHWH but not the Father.
@@Rotisiv well He is
@@Rotisiv Jesus is not created angel but Angel here means Messenger so This Messenger of Yahweh is fascinating character he is described as Yahweh and also messenger sent by Yahweh so there is clear distinction.
@@Rotisiv yes he is. The angel is not a literal angel but a Messenger of Yahweh. The Word of Yahweh Himself (Yeshua)
Before I understood the technical aspects of the Son, Angel of the Lord etc.. I could tell it was Christ because of His humor.
Excellent observation, God had a sense of humor that really shows when He appears predicts a future impossibility....Sarah laughed lol
Angels can't accept worship, so whomever Joshua bowed down to, was more than an angel.
That also applies to the annunciation of Sampson's birth.
Same with judges 13....accepted and went up within the smoke of an olah/mincha sacrifice
Just because you bowed down doesn't mean you worship as a Deity. Abraham bowed down to the children of heth. You can also do that out of respect for somebody
@@puertoricanprince7690 The text makes it pretty clear that it's worship and not just mere bowing down.
@@affable8696
That same word for worship in that verse is used in Chronicles when Israel worshipped David. They were paying showing respect. Just like joshua was
Amen, the two powers in heaven. 👍to Michael Heiser.
HERE is The ORIGINAL Semitic Text, HERE IS THE REAL SAVIOR
YaH The Heavenly FATHER was Who they Crucified for our sins and “HERE IS THE PROOF”
From the Ancient Semitic Scroll:
"Yad He Vav He" is what Moses wrote, when Moses asked YaH His Name (Exodus 3)
Ancient Semitic Direct Translation
Yad - "Behold The Hand"
He - "Behold the Breath"
Vav - "Behold The NAIL"
The Father was not crucified. Jesus was. This is the foundation of Christianity. Anyone who reads 1 Corinthians 15 would know this.
I wish I had the money to take his class. I guarantee I'd ace it, he is such a good teacher.
Me too! I feel like I get so much out of his teaching.
@@TheTonya409 He's the absolute best. I''ve literally devoured every lecture and seminar the man has done. He's been a real blessing to me. God has used him to open up scripture.
Oh....my goodness I feel the same way....
Ok then I have question for ya top student. Hahaha at the end is he saying that Joshua did see an angel or "God as man "? Or they the same thing....according to this fellow.
Dude, I can promise you this.... NO ONE is going to engage with you, you acting childish like that. I'm getting ready to mute you now. Bye bye. Go be stuck in your denominational stubbornness and shout at the wall.
Sooo cool! I didn't believe in the Trinity but now after having studied the Bible I can see how wrong I was. The problem that I had is that nobody quoted the Bible itself to explain God the Son properly and I was skeptical of how Biblical this teaching was, now is as clear as day God has opened my eyes! 🙌🏾
As a Christian of Jewish origin I say that when my father Avraham saw the Lord God YHWH manifested in the flesh, I mean the episode narrated in Genesis 18, he knew very well that he was before the One True God manifested in the flesh and this also applies to all manifestations of God as מלאך־יהוה or the Angel of YHWH. My fathers, the ancient Israelites knew that the מלאך־יהוה was YHWH himself and did not believe that he was another “person” or another “hypostasis” and one of the many examples of this also emerges from Judges 2:1-3. And verses such as Acts 16:6-7, Romans 8:9 and Galatians 4:6 when compared with verses such as John 14:9, 2Corinthians 5:19 and Colossians 2:9 clearly demonstrate that the Lord Jesus Christ is God the Everlasting Father manifested in the flesh and in fact also from the comparison between 1 Timothy 3:16 and 1Corinthians 8:6 in which we read that the only God is the Father we understand that the Father manifested himself in the flesh and the Bible teaches that he is the Lord Jesus Christ God the Everlasting Father manifested in flesh. And that the Lord Jesus Christ is God the Everlasting Father manifested in flesh also emerges from the comparison between John 2:19-21 and Galatians 1:1. Do not believe in the false doctrine of the trinity believe in the True and Only Lord Jesus Christ the Everlasting Father God of the Bible, God of my fathers the God of Israel.
@@-charutz6732 no Jesus is not the father manifested in the flesh he is the son.
@@jelayastewart4804 God is Spirit (John 4:24) and the Father is the only God (1Corinthians 8:6) and God was manifested in flesh (1Timothy 3:16) so Scripture clearly teaches that it is the Father who was manifested in flesh and the Lord Jesus Christ has clearly said that He is the Father (John 14:9). There is no “second person” God the Son but the Son of God, the Son who was to be born (Luke 1:35) on a certain day (Psalm 2:7; Acts 13:33; Hebrews 1:5; Hebrews 5:5) and not begotten in eternity which is a contradiction, the Son who is the אביעד Everlasting Father manifested in flesh (Isaiah 9:6).
God is One
Excellent information. Thank you
One of the best Bible teachers ever!
HERE is The ORIGINAL Semitic Text, HERE IS THE REAL SAVIOR
YaH The Heavenly FATHER was Who they Crucified for our sins and “HERE IS THE PROOF”
From the Ancient Semitic Scroll:
"Yad He Vav He" is what Moses wrote, when Moses asked YaH His Name (Exodus 3)
Ancient Semitic Direct Translation
Yad - "Behold The Hand"
He - "Behold the Breath"
Vav - "Behold The NAIL"
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We learn from the story of Moses that the true form of God is deadly for humans to look upon. Of course God takes different forms (avatars) to interact with man. Sometimes he sends angels other times he uses his angel or burning bush avatar and goes himself.
Doctor Heiser is thorough for indepth Biblical students who are very serious, otherwise religious people who are from the middle earth have damaged people's minds not the think deeply any longer
There is God the Father and His only begotten Son. Jesus prexisted before He was born in the world. It was the Son of God that is the Angel (messenger) of the Lord, He was the Lord of Hosts, it was the Son of God that walked with Adam in the garden, it was the Son that wrestled with Jacob, it was the Son of God that was the pillar of fire at night and pillar of smoke during the day, it was Jesus that lead Israel out of Egypt.
God bless you all that there is an awakening, God is sealing His children
It may have been but one can not so presume. "Do not go beyond the things written" (In the Bible). LORD of hosts. You forgot to capitalize. It should have been rendered Jehovah or Yahweh of armies to be precise.
Amen Bradley,
@@ralphgoreham3516 There is no presumption here friend, just scriptural evidence....Jesus said (John 8:58 ) "Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am."... Scripture says, 1 Corinthians 10:2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; 10:3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat; 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ...
No presumption here
@@bradleynewall7541 Hi. Google "Past tense translations of ego eimi" It should have been translated "I was" or "I existed , or I have been". Context was about time, not Identity. KJVs translation of Phil 2:6 is very bad. Consult an interlinear. No idea why you quoted 1 Cor 10:2. Paul meant such pointed forward to the Christ. Moses was the mediator then, Jesus is our mediatorr now.
@@ralphgoreham3516 God spoke to Moses and God made Moses a god to pharaoh, but Moses was not the God of Israel, so he could never be the mediator of Israel, Moses was a messenger for God.. God said that He will send His Angel to speak to Moses, and that Angel (Messenger) of the Lord was His Son. The Son of God has always been the mediator between God and man since the beginning, nothing has ever changed
Incredible learning experience 😃👍🏼
So profound! Like many other things you've opened my eyes to. I actually used to believe that I knew something about the Bible. And my walk with Jesus Christ. I couldnt have been more wrong! And it is awesome! I can't believe how much I dont know! And learning about God and Jesus is so thrilling to me! Thanks Dr Heiser! Truly brilliant!
Groan....
YaH Elyon designated Moshe, to lead His people from Egypt but just like the separated sea, make no mistake, YaH Elyon is Who frees His people
HERE is The ORIGINAL Semitic Text, HERE IS THE REAL SAVIOR
YaH The Heavenly FATHER was Who they Crucified for our sins and “HERE IS THE PROOF”
From the Ancient Semitic Scroll:
"Yad He Vav He" is what Moses wrote, when Moses asked YaH His Name (Exodus 3)
Ancient Semitic Direct Translation
Yad - "Behold The Hand"
He - "Behold the Breath"
Vav - "Behold The NAIL"
@@Praise___YaH Jesus is the real savior. Get on your knees.
@@WhatTruthIs
Let’s PROVE who jesus REALLY is
In Revelation 22:16, in RED LETTERS, a DIRECT QUOTE from jesus HIMSELF:
jesus is the:
1. “offspring of David”, the “Son of Man”
2. “Morning Star”
FIRST:
1. jesus is the “Son of Man”
Here’s the PROBLEM
Numbers 23:19
YaH is NOT a MAN
YaH is NOT the SON of MAN
PROVES this jesus, the “son of MAN” is NOT YaH as YaH is NOT the “son of MAN”
PROVES this jesus, the “son of MAN” is NOT YaH’s “son” as YaH is NOT a MAN
The ONLY “son” YaH EVER CREATED was Adam and that was from the Dust of the Earth
SECOND:
2. jesus is the “MORNING STAR” and the “Morning Star”, the “Son of Dawn”, is LUCIFER (Isaiah 14)
LUCIFER, that’s IS who jesus is
@@Praise___YaH Once again i can prove you are a SATANIC liar and you are of your father, the devil. This is what scripture actually says;
Revelation 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
Isaiah 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
Jesus is the bright and morning star.
Lucifer is the son of the morning.
Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
classic.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=isaiah+9%3A6&version=KJV
Farewell, Satan. May God rebuke you soundly.
I wondered who else had figured out and studied about humanity being ruled by angels deriving their authority from God. This is clear if you read the Bible with any level of attention. It also explains a lot of things about Godly actions.
“Is it Yahweh, Elohim, the angel, or the presence?”
Mike: Yes.
Thank you mike
Love these teachings!
He uses corrupt Catholic | Alexandrian Bible per Versions.
@@brucedressel4523 he is taking one from Bible to other Writings for Biblical truth.
First. Love Michael Heisers stuff. I show it to minister to as many Jewish people I can.
@@velkyn1 Not every Christian has the same view of eschatology. I don’t claim to know how the end times will play out. Only God knows. For myself, I want Jewish people to be transformed by the Gospel just the same as I want Hindus to be transformed by the Gospel.
@@velkyn1 I have no idea what you’re talking about. What “sadistic fantasies”?
@@velkyn1 Do you honestly think I’m biblically illiterate, or do you think you can persuade me to abandon my faith with a caricature that I’m obviously not going to take seriously? What are you hoping to achieve through your replies? Do you want to have a real discussion, or not?
Michael is going to go to Hell. Yes sir he is.
@@ethanhocking8229 Good posture in your response.
Thank you 🙏
I'm sure you get this alot... But I'm super into your findings in scripture. God bless you
"I AM ( will be or become ) THAT I AM ( will be or become )"
Dr Heiser, Thank You and Most importantly thank God, For Using You as his Vessel to give us clear cut, precise scholarship grounded in scripture that proves the divinity and Godhood of our Lord Jesus. May your soul rest in his bosom and sincere condolences to your family. Glory be to Christ our Lord.
Hello Michael,
What Bible software are you using, in this video ?
Thank you, in advance.
Logos Bible Software
@@DRMSH
Thank you sir.
@@DRMSH one problem though...Numbers 23:19 and Genesis 3:15. Yes their are 2 YHWS but one is a God and one is a man. Unless I'm taking numbers 23 to LITERAL. Otherwise when you rightly divide the word of God you can then understand the Proto Evangelium. The skull of the serpent's seed under the son of the woman's foot.
I left a message at your church. I would like to speak to you again. If you don't mind.
God ( the Godhead) is three parts, soul, body, spirit.
We each have a soul, body, and spirit.
We are made in God's image.
The Godhead is biblical
Colossians 2:8-9
Water is water. But it can be liquid, solid, or gas. One element. Three forms.
Grace and peace from the Lord Jesus Christ and from God our Father. My testimony: I believe in Jesus Christ. The reason I believe in Jesus is because I heard God's message about Him, preached from an authorized King James Version (KJV) book of His Word and His words. After hearing the message, I believed it. God has faith His blood is propitiation for my lifetime of sin, and I too believe His shed blood pays for my sins and the sins of the world. After believing, I turned back to God. That's what it means to repent. And after turning back to God, I put my full trust and faith in the shed blood of Jesus and in what He did at the cross. I am fully persuaded, just like Abraham, that God, who cannot lie, will do everything just as He has promised. I declared and do declare His righteousness, and He imputed it on me, a believer in Jesus!
My testimony includes what justifies me to stand before God. It matches Romans 3:24-26.
Romans 3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; 26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
This is what you need to hear before you can turn back to God:
2 Corinthians 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
Romans 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
1 Corinthians 15:21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
Ephesians 1:7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
Colossians 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. 13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; 14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
1 Corinthians 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
1 Timothy 3: And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
Romans 1:18-3:20 classic.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=rom.+1%3A18-3%3A20&version=KJV
If you have read all of the above, you can now believe and turn back to God, trust Jesus and declare His righteousness. I pray to the one true God that you do.
You are a Paulinian!
@@ShakeelEklegomai You said "You are a Paulinian!". Meanwhile, according to your UA-cam channel, you follow a Rabbi and a woman who claims to be an apostle self-titled "Apostle Kathryn Krick" and you follow Derek Prince Ministries and you listen to satanic "Christian" music.
Whatever label you choose to put on me, the only one that counts is that I HAVE THE HOLY SPIRIT OF GOD in my body. I am a real believer of the one true God.
You on the other hand, serve Lucifer. You are one of Satan's ministers.
Judges 13 is another wonderful example of the pre-incarnate Christ, the Angel of the LORD.
@ Rob. you have 2 problems with that statement. (1)There is no scripture that states it is true. (2) If it were true that would agree with JWS that Jesus in heaven is a created angel. I as a JW do say the second is true Dan 12:1, 1 Thess 4:16 Jude 9, Rev 12:7--9, Gal 4:14. Heb 1:5. There is no need to complicate things. Angels appeared to the patriarchs, Moses , Joshua Gideon, Manoah representing Jehovah (or Yahweh) Acts 7:53. End of story.
Ralph Goreham You are mistaken, read Judges 13. THE Angel of the LORD does not mean a created Angel, but rather means the LORD himself, as described in the video. Judges 13 demonstrates that; Manoah and his wife see a Man (the author implies that the Angel of the LORD is the LORD in verse 16), and when He ascends with the burnt sacrifice, they say “We have seen God!” How could they have seen God as a Man, except that the Man, the Angel of the LORD, was the Lord Jesus?
Where do you get that?
Mider999 Judges 13. The Man is the Angel of the LORD and is God. Who else is this but Christ?
@@robsadob1594 The video is wrong. Manoah said that because he realized the angel was REPRESENTING God. The "man" was a MATERIALIZED angel. as was the "man" that Joshua encountered. scroll up to my posts under "The real Killer" for more info. An angel is an angel is an angel. anything else is a twist.
I Am that I Am
YHWH, the ever-silent, but always-present, protagonist!
YHWH SEBAOTH-HEAVY BEAST
@@chocolatefigure01 Sebaoth = "armies".
@@chocolatefigure01
HERE is The ORIGINAL Semitic Text, HERE IS THE REAL SAVIOR
YaH The Heavenly FATHER was Who they Crucified for our sins and “HERE IS THE PROOF”
From the Ancient Semitic Scroll:
"Yad He Vav He" is what Moses wrote, when Moses asked YaH His Name (Exodus 3)
Ancient Semitic Direct Translation
Yad - "Behold The Hand"
He - "Behold the Breath"
Vav - "Behold The NAIL"
@@Praise___YaH And Isaiah 53? I'm curious what you say about it.
@@axian8102
Isaiah 53 is YaH The Heavenly Father and His Form is that of deformity as YaH wants those who Love Him with their heart, not their eyes as the “GREEKS” love their gods
It’s been YaH this whole time, that’s the Parable, that’s the Riddle
Praise YaH and none but YaH
The Angel of God is Jesus Christ.
Is there a title to the entire teaching that this small portion is a part of? Yes, willing to pay to download it, I’m just looking for direction. Thank you!
In the description
What lecture is this? I'd love to watch the whole thing.
Honest question; if our word "angel" means "messenger" then are not all these passages simply talking about a messenger, speaking for God, with all of His divine authority, not necessarily about God Himself, personally being present? Otherwise, you do have a contradiction in Scripture where it says, "No man has seen God" yet many have seen and interacted with His "messenger." If the "messenger " is in fact, God, then many have seen God. It really does seem that it is a bit more complicated than conflating the "angel" with the Person of God.
God the Father (soul) God the Son (body) God the Holy Spirit (Spirit)
No man has seen God (the Father)
You can think of it as "no one has seen God AS HE IS, that is, in His FULL GLORY." The "angel of the LORD" and Christ Himself, the former being the pre-incarnate Christ (Son of God, who is God), and the latter being Jesus of Nazereth (Son of God in the flesh, who is God), have, as you say, both been seen, so one would think there is a contradiction. But Scripture also says that ONLY the Son of God has "seen" God, and that He has "revealed" God to us (that is, in the flesh, a way we can understand). Only Jesus has seen God AS HE IS, that is, in His FULL GLORY, because He is the only one who has "come down from heaven." We, too, will see Him as He is in our perfected bodies in heaven, when Jesus presents His bride (us) before Him.
You’re asking the right questions, I like how Justine Martyr puts it in Dialogue with Trypho. “ reverting to the Scriptures, I shall endeavor to persuade you, that he who was said to appeared to Abraham, and to Jacob and to Moses, and who was called god, is distinct from him who created all things. Numerically I mean not distinct in will.”
Great discussion!
Some of my two cents worth: “our word ‘angel’ means”... I think the Hebrew word מלאך means ‘messenger,’ but when the Greeks translated the LXX, they placed many different Hebrew words in the “translation blender” and out came the “Angel smoothie”- kinda like one word fits all- except that it doesn’t. We need to have the Ancient Hebrew in our head AND do a little “de-Greece-ing” in order to grasp the truth in Scripture. It takes a lot of work on the part of every individual seeker.
Fortunately, Mike Heiser has provided incredible insights and tools to help in the process. Everyone taking part in open and honest discussions like this is also helping to sharpen one another. Thank you 🙏
I don't think so, for example in judges 13 they saw the angel of the Lord and they said we've seen God even though the context make it clear for us that he was the angel of the lord
I feel the Lord has asked me to speak on the issue of grounding. This is where people believe that touching the ground with your feet and or body. And by doing this the human has a healthier body and mind. I feel there is true significance on this issue. The two instances in the Bible where God tells the person to take off their sandals. saying" for you are on holy ground'. I feel this is not just an act of respect but also a powerful filling of the body with the holy spirited charge. We have to remember that we are electrically driven beings and so is the earth. So here is a true act of something powerful that you need not understand to reach the benefits of this act. Remember God knows best.
Im always fasinated by God intervening with humans in His physical fleshy form.. i hope i see him soon
God is one in three persons. Christ said if you have seen me you have seen the Father
BTW, this is why we need a new "HEAVEN" and new Earth.
ECHAD! Wea all need to be ECHAD.
this is huge explanation
praise the lord pastor first question you will put to believers who called mosses for redeem from Egypt
I've heard a lot of your work and Tim Mackie (I love The Bible Project) on this OT "shelf-creating" that sets up the category for God's identity taking form in multiple persons simultaneously.
However, one thing I've always had trouble with is understanding why the Angel of the LORD passages count as the Angel being a separate being, but also God?
Why is it not just that the Angel is representing God as a prophet (like how the prophets speak in the first person as God) and, due to proximity and being the chief commander of God's army, he asks Joshua to take his sandals off to show how big of a deal the Angel is? I don't quite understand how the text is suggesting the Angel is actually Yahweh? It seems it can be read as the Angel representing Yahweh just as easily?
HERE is The ORIGINAL Semitic Text, HERE IS THE REAL SAVIOR
YaH The Heavenly FATHER was Who they Crucified for our sins and “HERE IS THE PROOF”
From the Ancient Semitic Scroll:
"Yad He Vav He" is what Moses wrote, when Moses asked YaH His Name (Exodus 3)
Ancient Semitic Direct Translation
Yad - "Behold The Hand"
He - "Behold the Breath"
Vav - "Behold The NAIL"
@@Praise___YaH Thanks for the insight into some of the texts, but I already knew the OT claimed Yahweh would be crucified according to Isaiah's servant songs.
To put my question more succinctly: Dr. Heiser talks here as if the passages show the Angel is separate from Yahweh and also is Yahweh. However, when I read those passages, I can also see an alternate interpretation - that the Angel just speaks and acts as a prophet and the commander of Yahweh's army, which gives him ability to speak for Yahweh in the first person and consider the ground around him holy, to mimic the burning bush. Why is Dr. Heiser correct in reading the passage as saying the Angel is actually Yahweh?
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Weh translates “Exists”, “YaHWeh” translates “YaH Exists”
YaH The Heavenly Father was Who they Crucified for our sins, NOT some “son”, NOT this jesus. You know that?
@@Praise___YaH Well, I would disagree. Yahweh was crucified, yes, but the Father was not the One crucified.
Not sure what texts you'd use when studying the crucifixion, but in the Gospels in the Christian New Testament, it's pretty clear that Jesus is not the Father. He prays repeatedly to the Father.
Any time He prays, it would be to the Father, for who else would He pray to? Specifically, though, Matt 26 shows Him praying to the Father before his crucifixion, and Luke 23 shows Jesus praying to the Father as he is being killed.
Conversely, if Jesus was the Father, how/why could He be praying to anyone? That forces us to say there's one greater than Yahweh.
This is just a thought but I’ve also always wondered whether it’s even syntacticly accurate to call someone their own messenger. Who is their own messenger? I don’t say “I’ve sent my messenger to you” but secretly I mean myself. Im no expert in Hebrew but I’d be surprised if that was how you could use the word.
I am puzzled by the appearance of Yahweh to Abraham but for now I lean toward that being a special representing Angel. I think no man has ever truly seen God but Jesus after his resurrection. I need to go back and look, but even Moses may have simply seen the Angel of the Lord, but idk I’m confused and don’t have all the facts.
The answer is d.
All of the above.
Dr Heiser besides being pleasant to listen to has a way of exigeting biblical themes and translating them into a first century Jewish mindset.
How can I see this whole talk? Does anyone know where this was at?
In which protestant/evangelical circles is this controversial?
Everything he says seems to be right on the money, if anybody knows what program he’s using there I’d love to have that.
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Take off your sandals/Holy ground...enough said. ✝️🙏❤️😊🙌
Hi pastor come to online we will discuss about it
Much loved Doc ever! No religious hang ups or stereotypes but purely scripture across religious man made inhibitions 😀😅
Exactly
YaH Elyon designated Moshe, to lead His people from Egypt but just like the separated sea, make no mistake, YaH Elyon is Who frees His people
HERE is The ORIGINAL Semitic Text, HERE IS THE REAL SAVIOR
YaH The Heavenly FATHER was Who they Crucified for our sins and “HERE IS THE PROOF”
From the Ancient Semitic Scroll:
"Yad He Vav He" is what Moses wrote, when Moses asked YaH His Name (Exodus 3)
Ancient Semitic Direct Translation
Yad - "Behold The Hand"
He - "Behold the Breath"
Vav - "Behold The NAIL"
@@Praise___YaH : I find it rather intriguing that your God can die by being crucified. I always believed that God, being immortal, meant that God simply cannot die. It is also not what the scriptures teach. They do not teach that God became a man and died from being crucified. Rather the scriptures teach that God is an immortal spirit who cannot die. Scriptures teach that the Son came in the flesh, was pierced (crucified), died and was raised from death by God three days later.
If you believe that God and the Son are the same being, you ought to review Revelations 5:5-7 as both God and the Son (Lamb) are both present in the future scene described proving beyond doubt that God and the Son are separate beings.
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Amen! You can also look at what Samson’s father Manoah said after he saw The Angel Of The Lord that foretold Samson’s birth. He fell face down and said “We shall surely die for we have seen God!” Judges 13:22.
Or when Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed by The Angel Of The Lord,the Hebrew text actually says,”Yahweh rained down sulfur and fire on Sodom and Gomorrah FROM Yahweh out of Heaven” Gen 19:24
“He who has seen Me has seen The Father”- Jesus (John 14:9)
Why do people always try to fit God into earthly context. God is not bound by physics, math or language. (I AM) says it all.
Exodus 23:20-21
[20] “Behold, I send an angel before you to guard you on the way and to bring you to the place that I have prepared. [21] Pay careful attention to him and obey his voice; do not rebel against him, for he will not pardon your transgression, for my name is in him.
What’s God’s name?
I Am
Put it together.
I Am the angel.
I had a pre-birth experience! 🙏🏾❤️🤴👼🏼👼🏼
Echad, a plural singularity
If all the names of God the same why Elohim in pluriel ?🤔it’s not convincing for me…
Why do you preach the doctrine of Paul?
I think a lot of the confusion would be lifted if Translators rendered Malak and Angelos, as Messenger, and not "angel", since "angel" has been ingrained in common folk's minds to refer to winged, heavenly beings that serve God.
And the same thing for satan, if we rendered it as adversary, then you'd actually have to look at the context to see if it is speaking of a adversary in the normal sense, or if it is speaking of _the_ Adversary, the Devil.
Names of God are descriptive terms.
However the angel pronounced the NAME to Moses at Exod 3:15 was to be his PERSONAL name forever. The director for the Jewish institution for the the divine name says it is YEHOWAH. Definitely not Yahweh, it has 3 syllables. But nobody really knows thanks to the wicked Priests and prophets of ancient Israel. Mal 2:1,2, Jer 23:27. The day will come in the "new earth" all will know how to say it. Zech 14:9.
Wondering about where lake Tiberius might be?
To suggest that God in all of His his ways to reveal Himself to anyone who wants to know Him at all Time reveals Himself in a singular sense never plural,,, so I'm not sure just what your exact intent is forgive me for my lack of understanding
Apparently he doesn't allow that the LORD could lead them by using Moses or his angel. What did difference is there between Moses and the angel? Yes both are instrumental while Moses is a dust flesh body man and the angel is a spiritual material man. But they are both used to help, lead a
Israel, even as in Exodus 23:20-23 for the angel of the LORD.
Jesus delivered them.
Angels are not men, they are not corporeal beings. Angels are God's messengers. The word for Angel in Hebrew is ''מַלְאָך'' which means messenger.
Jesus is never mentioned by name even once throughout the Hebrew bible.
@@robmancuso964 yeah I know. What made you "assume" I didn't. Thanks for sharing, but I don't get the why you thought I didn't know that.
Jeremiah 16:19
King James Version
19 O Lord, my strength, and my fortress, and my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come unto thee from the ends of the earth, and shall say, Surely our fathers have inherited lies, vanity, and things wherein there is no profit
Which software / website is being used ?
Logos Bible Software
@@DRMSH thank you.
I enjoy your lectures and SkyWatch tv appearances.
The Malakha Pnav \ Angel of His Face is the same as the "Angelon Auto \ Angel of Me" of Revelation 22 that tells John "don't do that..." when John attempts to bow to him. This Angelon Auto goes on to say he is the "Alpha and Omega" (has the Name of HaShem in him just as the Angel of Exodus 23) and is "Yeshua the Messiah and the Root and Seed of David." Joshua bowed before \Shtiko Lyphaneka to the Angel of HaShem in his encounter, and this is the same language \ word used for people that Shtiko \ Bowed before David and Saul and the rest of the Kings; this is giving Honor to One in Authority Michael. All sustenance ultimately comes from HaShem, but He can send His provisions in many forms. Yeshua, when challenged on making himself into G-d, corrects his accusers with the alternate usage of Elohim used in Psalms 82:6, that he is a Divine One \ Elohim, as Samuel is also described as an Elohim in 1st Samuel, and is the "Son of G-d"-- he was declaring his Messiahship and that he was One \ Echad \ in Union with the father just as he requests that we all be One \ Echad with the Father G-d in John 17. An understanding of the Original Languages is critical to cut through the doctrinal bias the Scriptures have been interpreted and translated with!
Shalom in Him.
When Jesus said in his Father's house are many mansions, is he talking about our new bodies?
No
@@edcarson3113 Thankyou!
No he meant dwelling places. He was assuring the apostles there is plenty of space/room for them if they remained faithful.
@@ralphgoreham3516 thank you Ralph!!!
Please debate Rabbis Skobac, Blumenthal, Eli Cohen, or Singer on this matter for the whole world to see.
I believe that commander of the host is the archangel Michael. Israel was given to Michael to guide and protect. He is their prince and defender. Also if you read revelation it's said it was Michael and his Angels that fought the devil and defeated him. Also Michael will be the one to rise up in the last days to wage war against the devil and his army too. Michael is like the angel commander.
"These people draw nigh unto me with their lips but their heart is far from me. The fear of me they teach is the doctrines and commandments of men"
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@The globe is DEAD . . What is your statement in reference to? The whole teaching itself? A portion or part of the teaching? Or the man doing the teaching?
Oh so ever learning and never coming to the knowledge of the truth...............
So what's your point?
"These people draw nigh unto me with their lips but their heart is far from me. The fear of me they teach is the doctrines and commandments of men"
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Why did God forget the way to caanan, if he delivered the Israelites out of Egypt...why 40 years lost in a desert?.. that's 2 generations, he didnt really finish the job very well
Israel was rebellious numerous times during this journey. YHWH allowed them to wander for 40 years as their punishment until most of the people of that generation had died out.
@@jessepotter365 so hang on ...God delivered them from Egypt and then punished 2 generations of them on the way back to caanan for 40 years
Can you shed some light on why God delivered them then punished them....?
If you can
And how did God keep them lost if free will is real ? Who stays lost for 40 years in a place riddled with trading routes and tracks ?
@@oftin_wong When growing up, did you have a mother or father who always wanted the best for you? If so, they probably tried their best to provide all the good things in life. Did you still make mistakes and rebel at one point or another? Of course you did. Did those mistakes lead to you not having the best things life has to offer? Even after those mistakes did your mother or father still give you a second chance? A third chance? YHWH is the same. Mercy is part of His character. He gives us the free will to decide. He also allows us to destroy or limit ourselves of the good things this life can offer. Yeshua (Jesus) didn't just come to deliver us from eternal judgement. He also came to allow us to live earthly lives closer to Him. We are the ones who decide if we want to accept those gifts or not.
@@jessepotter365 Well said!
Head knowledge
Book learning ...who needs it?
In spanish these concepts are called "divine agengies"
@@iraborpeter , but we can still pray if you want to. for me and four you.
This is the biggest aspect of teaching people need to know that in the past God nanifested mong men from the patriarchs on .
We read God appeared to Abraham
To Isaac
To Jacob
Hagar,Abrahan Jacob,Gideon, Manoah, Moses saud they saw God.
Let people examine these texts read
Dr Daniel boyarin
Dr Benjamin D. Simmers
To thoroughly apprec is ste Gidd working in ancient israel patriarchs
"The Word" - John 1:1 ( ΛΟΓΟΣ )
Value = 373
"The Lord" - Exodus 40:38 ( יהוה )
Value = 26
Number of words from Genesis 1:1 through Exodus 40 = 37326
The Word (373) of The Lord (26) brought them out.
Jude 1:5
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And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live. Ex 33:20 This is an emphatic statement. Except Moses who saw Elohim on Mt Sinai every other sighting of God the face they saw was of Lord Jesus Christ.
Dr Heiser really needs to debate Rabbi Tovia Singer one of these days.
Michael brown already did and destroy him. Tovia is a good pharisee hypocrite.
@@agustintadeo tovia is deceptive
Jeremiah 16:19
King James Version
19 O Lord, my strength, and my fortress, and my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come unto thee from the ends of the earth, and shall say, Surely our fathers have inherited lies, vanity, and things wherein there is no profit
By the time we figure out the Bible, Jesus will be here looking and saying, " calm down "man" , calm down", "what seems to be the problem"? Humans ask, " could you please explain, what you meant by this "? "Oh yeah, exactly is an Angel"? " What dimension is heaven in "? "Where is the devil right now, did take care of his ass yet"? "Oh who built the Pyramids, modern man is to stupid to figure out how it was done without machine "? Humans = " can I ask you a question because you make Earth new again"? Jesus- " don't stop now, you are on a roll". " Jesus, did UFO's ever visited us"? Jesus- " what a, how do you pronounce ufo"? Humans = " ufo is not a word ", "anyway, did "man" from other planets come here to Earth"? Jesus= " No! Earth was the only planet that is rebellious"! "Why, would anyone wants to come here"!
Jesus, " ok it's time to clean house now"!
"I think I will start with you Mr. Ask me a thousand questions man". "Hey, Mr, question man, did you get to know the "Holy Spirit ""???
I don't get the point of this at all. You are correct that there are many names to God and they all mean God albeit God in different roles. However, when it says angel of the Lord or commander of God it is simply an angel that is talking for God. It isn't actually God. That's crazy to even think that. If it was God why would the bible call it an angel? If this is really God and it is Him manifesting as a man, then why isn't it called God or even a man. It's not a physical human or else it would not be called an angel. It's obviously something or someone that Bilaam or Joshua were able to tell that it is not a man but something spiritual. Angel is hebrew is malach which simply means messenger. This is exactly what these things were. Messengers of God who relayed exactly what God wanted to say. Again, if the point of saying angel of the Lord was to tell us that God was coming as a man, why didn't it call Him a man or better yet, God? He wasn't an angel. The only conclusion is that this was actually an angel and since we know angels don't do anything and it certainly did not take the jews out of Egypt, so therefore it must be an actual angel speaking in the name of God.
Except that explanation is the simplest and most straightforward from the text. People need to make it deeper and more complex to muddy the waters and slide their backwards theology in
Hope this helps...
The messenger referenced here is the Angel of The Lord, "Malakh YHWH"... Who is Jesus, before being birth as man, before becoming Immanuel, "YHWH with us"... Hence the attribution to the same, bec the Father and the Son is one.
@@ulanadroid so God Almighty is an angel? The angels are messengers, sons of God. This is bizarre theology. I’ve heard it before, but I can never wrap my mind around why anyone would hold it. There must be some connection or piece of information I’m missing
@@heyalun basically, God almighty took the "role" of a messenger... a "Malakhim" of the Father... Remember, in Hebrew "Malakh" is a role, not a being... As beings, they are called Bene Elohim (Sons of God), and Jesus was referred to as the Unique Son (the only begotten son)... Lots of resources on this online... Yha bless!
@@ulanadroid I get what you’re saying. I just don’t get why you’re saying it. Why would God take the role as his own messenger? Why wouldn’t it just be God speaking for himself? Angels are uniformly described as inferiors to God, so why describe him as such? Whatever our theologies we seem to be in agreement that God is the universal sovereign. It’s just a weird flex to go for him being an angel.
My suspicion is that there’s a piece of the puzzle I’m missing as to why you all believe this. The only thing I could think of right now is that a respected church father or someone like that taught that these appearances are Jesus and you all hold to the belief because of it. Incidentally, I also believe they’re Jesus, but I believe that Jesus is God’s Son and his foremost messenger, so it’s exciting for me to see these appearances in prechristian times. It’s no dishonor in my eyes for him to be called an angel or a prince of Jehovah’s army because that’s what he is.
I don’t get why why it’s not a dishonor to you for God to be called an angel or prince of his own army though. It’s not explicitly stated that these are Jesus and it’s not primary doctrine, so no one would really fight you hard on it if you said it’s not him. I feel like there’s some history on this that I’m ignorant of, because it’s too strange otherwise
The angel metatron
O that people could know Gods Ways and then they would know
Him(Y'shuah "Salvation") But the only Way to know Him "God"is To Love Him for He "God ls Love"...
1John4:16...
All of this is so dangerous.
Jesus is the angel of God with his face talked to Moses by God in the bible. I will send my angel and he has my face says God.
Jude says it was Jesus
Jude 5
@@doulos5815 It says nothing of a sort.
@@ralphgoreham3516 you really need to get away from the lies of the watchtower my friend. Jesus is God because the Bible teaches it. God bless you!
@@heartsonfire2458 Jacob hello. Appreciate your disposition in the comment. Have been in for 47 years and have seen all the so called "prooftexts that he is God. I note you gave no reasons or scriptures for your view. That makes your post pretty empty. I will assume you believe the Bible doesnt contradict itself, especially re Gods identity. I will give you some verses to think about. Before doing so, It is not just JWS that disagree with you. The Unitarians, Christadelphians, Many who belong to religions that are supposed to believe as you but dont. I also see not a few "pastors" either doubt or dont 'on You tube. I will give you 6 verses for you to explain how they say He is God. John 17:3. KJV "This is everlasting life their knowing YOU THE ONLY TRUE GOD and Jesus Christ the one whom you sent". (said in prayer). John 20:17 KJV to Mary: "Touch me not for I am ascending to MY GOD AND YOUR GOD and my Father and your Father". 1 Cor 11:3. Paul: " I want you to know that the head of every man is the Christ, in turn, the head of a woman is the man, i turn the HEAD OF THE CHRIST IS GOD" KJV Rev 3:12, 14 KJV Him that overcometh will I make him a pillar in the temple of MY GOD, ......and the name of MY GOD and the name of the city of MY GOD,.....which cometh down out of heaven from MY GOD..... v14 ......These thimgs saith the Amen, the faithful and true WITNESS , THE BEGINNING OF THE CREATION OF GOD. So Jesus was created. And KJV John 3:16 God sent his ONLY BEGOTTEN SON that whosoever believe him has everlasting life. If that is too lenghthy just go with John 17:3. Good luck
@@ralphgoreham3516 What does John 1:1 say in the KJV?
Mi-Cha-El meaning: Military Commander of the forces of EL. The commander that receives praise is the military name and rank of jesus. Jesus is King and Commander. Jesus is the angel with the face of God written in exodus.
Hasn't someone explained to him the Principle of Agency? The Agent speaks the words of, acts on behalf of and represents the source - and is viewed as if he is the source . YHWH is the Source and the Angel or the prophets etc are the Agents..
@@pnw_jordan Agreed Ewan. and so do 8.70 million JWS for the last 110 plus years.
@@pnw_jordan he doesn’t act like he’s familiar with it. Claiming that God is an angel makes a pretty persuasive case that he doesn’t get it
@@pnw_jordan he said that God is the angel of the lord, so that is exactly the claim he made
Michael means mi-cha-el "military commander of the forces of EL" Jesus is the commander that rides the white horse. Jesus gets the worship and he is the commander.Michael is his military title. My title is sergeant almodovar in the US army.
Jude says Jesus did
Jeremiah 23:27
Baal: H1168 Lord
Show me in the KJV version bible, we're the word Baal was ever translated into the word 'LORD'. Please read the context of Jeremiah 23 and see that the word name is about the character of God, which is the Word of God, and Jesus's name is the Word of God (Rev19). You are not saved by pronouncing the name of God (we don't know how to pronounce God's name) you are saved by the blood of Jesus and receiving His Spirit to reform your character to be more like Him. Jesus said there are two great commandments 'Love the Lord your God' and 'Love thy neighbour'... Not how to pronounce the name of Jesus correctly
@@bradleynewall7541 Fair enough so long as you dont make him Almighty God. 1 John 4:12 "At no time has anyone ever seen God". I do say the KJV is not as accurate as you seem to think. I suggest RSV or NASV. I wont add NWT as you likely will say no. But I can attest it has NO contradictions.
@@ralphgoreham3516 That is why it important to understand that there are two that the the Ancient Hebrews recognized... To understand that there is God the Father and His only Begotten Son, and that they are two separate 'Persons' is important to know, there is a difference between the Father and Son, they are not One being manifested into two or three coeternal beings. Scripture says there is God the Father (who is also the God of Jesus, as Jesus proceeded from His Father John 5:26) and there is the Son of God who came from His Fathers bossom.
However scripture does say...
Philippians 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: 2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. 2:9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;..
Jesus is a little lesser than His Father yet equal to His Father... As He is the expressed image of His Father and no one else is like the Father but the Son
Why should you have the money to for his class, shouldn't the gospel be free.
The gospel should be free but many times it isn't. Think about all the bibles being sold in stores.
I AM THE ALPHA AND OMEGA
JESUS
YHWH IS YHVH
YOD HEH VAV HEH
BEHOLD THE HAND
BEHOLD THE NAIL
YHVH IS JESUS
ONE LORD
ONE FATHER
ONE SHEPHERD
ONE GOD
ONE NAME
FOREVER
FULLY MAN FOR THE CROSS ENDED DEATH AND SIN
FULLY GOD FOR HOLY AND ETERNAL LIFE
GOD BLESS