The KEY to Jerry Garcias Effects...OBEL!!
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- Опубліковано 25 лис 2021
- Whats up UA-camrs, today we are checking out the benefits of Garcias "On Board Effects Loop." Hope you enjoy the video and thank you for watching!
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Crazy fact about Jerry Garcia is he used to regularly change his pickups because he thought the magnets got worn out lol. Imagine how many genuine PAF’s he tossed
I don’t think he ever used PAF pickups for the Tiger guitar or any guitar afterwards
All those live shows informed jerry about what the electronics shortcomings were, and he had the genius technical team to solve those problems. Jerry knew what he needed, and his genius experts solved it.
Hey Gabriel, I recently discovered your channel. You have a drool worthy rig & guitar collection. Great chops too! You’ve got my sub. Rock on! 🤟🏼
Thanks for the sub Ryan!
Best demonstration/explanation I've seen. Concise and clear. The onboard effects control addresses an issue that even amateur bedroom players have maintaining a specific sound at family friendly volumes. Take care.
Thanks so much Chris!! Glad you enjoyed the video!
Great video, great instructional and even better chops! You’ve got those licks down pat:)
Thanks man!
Your videos are great. Thanks!
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Man this sounded killer, awesome stuff
Thanks for watching Kyle!!!
I am admiring your guitar. wow!
It’s a killer guitar!
This is great, just got my first OBEL guitar!
oh thats amazing!! congrats!!
Alright! Very interesting. Thanks!
Great video. 🙏🏼
Such a great, refined, simplistic explanation of the Obel in application. Thanks Gabe. Greg D is building me a Wolf and I wanted to understand the concept. Thank you 👍🏻
Glad you enjoyed it!! Greg makes great guitars!!
The first “Wolf” has the Weir D’Anglico “odd man out” P-90’s and Lollar. The second is an exact clone with Ravens. Life moves fast, gotta enjoy what you can. Keep sharing your teaching gift, God bless!
Very helpful…thank you
Thanks!!
Nailed it bro!
Thank you! As a irregular fan of the Grateful Dead and far less of their guitar tone I’ve never tried to figure out Jerry’s sound but was always curious about why someone would want a effects loop IN their guitar, now I know. It makes such sense that in the era he was playing , the size of the venues, the clean tone he used and the need to shine through so many other exceptional musicians, that he would want absolute control of his volume, smart, what a legend. Thanks again.
Glad you enjoyed the video!!
So cool!
Thanks for watching Cro Mag!
great video. def jelly of that guitar. gotta get me one
Thanks Chris!
That is the coolest guitar!
agreed!
Don’t know why these videos don’t have more views!
Ha thanks man!!
Thanks for the demonstration Im an old timer attended many Dead and JGB shows in my younger days. As a musician myself seeing Jerry live cannot be put into words. Ive seen most other top rock guitarists thouhout the years. There is NO equał not even close . I can never understand why Jerry is not rated higher in top guitarist lists . Who csres wht the “ experts say Jerry is in a class by himself.
Glad you enjoyed the video!
agreed!
I never understood that… Now I do. That’s incredible, Jerry could mix himself in real time…
Very cool! Thanks for the great explanation of the OBEL. Is the hub bub necessary - what is do exactly and can you use the OBEL without it?
You can do both! With the Hub-Bub, everything runs through the guitar. If you run it without the Hub Bub you'd run your effects in series just like a normal pedalboard if that makes sense.
Is that a Phred guitar? Would love to pick up a Jerry guitar but only know of a handful of brands that make them. Yours looks a little more high end than a Phred so I was curious. Cool stuff man! I find it quite difficult to dial in that Mu-Tron sound sometimes because of how incredibly sensitive it is to any change in things like volume knobs on the guitar, adding gain to the signal with an overdrive pedal, even tweaking small eq settings on an amp can get you away from that full envelope sound and just shoot you straight up to the high end of the envelope without any of that touch sensitivity you get when you’ve got one dialed in. I figure the OBEL system must level all that out so that you can maintain that full range of an envelope filter once you’ve got it dialed in regardless of any change in guitar or amp settings? Seems pretty useful for that. Then again, I am constantly using my guitar volume knobs to dial in my gain level, whether I turn it down a bit for rhythm or crank it up for lead stuff, so losing that functionality would be a negative for my personal playing style. Then again, again (lol, sorry, I’m just kinda thinking out loud here), I guess you could just run some pedals into the OBEL and others in the normal signal chain as well. Much more complex than my single channel guitar-> pedal board-> amp setup, but hey, Jerry and the boys had to “get everything just exactly perfect,” so it makes a ton of sense that he used it, especially considering how they were all using lots of high-end custom gear throughout most of their career. Thanks for the vid, man!
Hey man great stuff I’ve been watching your vids for years. Just curious what the riff was from at 4:40 . It’s on the tip of my brain it’s driving my crazy lol.
Samson and Delilah
That is a beautiful guitar. It looks like piece of art.The sound is awesome. Where can I get one ?
Check Deluis Guitars!
Great guitar, great playing and great sound!
Do you have your qtron before or after the dirt?
Thanks man! Usually after!
That solid body tiger type guitar is drop dead gorgeous. What is the wood used and who made it?!?
Made be DeLuis Guitars here in Los Angeles!
So cool. In a similar way you can dial back tone, can you lower the magnitude of the effects with a knob on the guitar?
Thanks for watching Quintin, glad you dug the video. For your question, you cant, just the overall volume. There are even time is could see Garcia going back to his effects and making adjustments.
Damn this video is the add king ..
sorry?
WOW
Thx! Got it. Amzing. Never knew. How would it be different if i put a volume pedal at the end of my fx chain? Clean amp of course.
Volume pedal at the end of your chain, would effect the whole signal before it.
@@GabrielBergman95 why, impedance issues? what if you ran a buffer before the volume pedal?
@@methyodyep you can run a buffered volume pedal at the end of your chain and get a similar result. Just use the lowest capacitance and shortest possible lead cable from guitar to your first quality buffered pedal.
What are your thoughts on using this vs a volume pedal at the end of the effects chain? I'm building a guitar and will be trying out the OBEL but I've been using a volume pedal after my drive/envelope filter stages which I think works pretty well
honestly, id prefer OBEL. But, today, id rather just run everything in line, no obel
Very Nice De Luis , not quite an Alembic ..like the satin finish
😮That's a sexy guitar
its awesome
i personally like having the volume knob alter the characteristics of effects (especially drive))
ps - how heavy is that guitar??
Hi Gabriel, Is there some way to get the unity gain/full-effect-at-any-volume benefits of OBEL without having a guitar with an OBEL, i.e. with a normal electric guitar? For example, could you use some combination of an amp's effects loop, the Hub Bub box (or something like it), different routing options, etc.? Thanks!
dont think so, honestly
You can install a buffer in the guitar, keep the guitar volume knob maxed at 10, and put a volume pedal between your effects board and amp. That doesn't give you the instant on-off of all effects, and you have to be pretty good at using foot control of your volume, and it can involve a bunch of toe dancing on pedals. The buffer does contribute to how clean the rig sounds, and helps maintain a little more treble tones, so it's pretty necessary either way.
I wish we could see the neck of the guitar as your playing. Instead of a copy of Jerry's guitar, but thanks for your time.
Aloha
I've always been a little baffled as to what about his envelope filter tone was different than most people's. Specifically getting the "studio" sound live.
hope this helped!
so is it possible to use the qtron to get that Fire on the Mountain envelope without OBEL?
Totally, the OBEL though, lets you turn the guitar volume down and still get the full effect from the qtron.
Would you get the same effect by leaving your guitar volume on full, and putting a volume pedal at the end of your pedals?
The buffer affects the tone. Kind of cleans it up and smooths out some slight rough edges, so it's a pretty necessary addition to your guitar. And no, a buffer at the front of your effects chain doesn't do the same thing.
Drop those tubescreamer settings!
He actually used everything
yess
Does any guitar with a piezo connection work with the Hub Bub?
Thanks for watching Sean! This guitar doesnt have a piezo, the OBEL is routed through the guitars electronics. The OBEL output being the bottom
jack is stereo TRS which in the HUB BUB routes to the effects!
@@GabrielBergman95 Thanks !! I’m guessing that’s an Alembic u r playing. What other off the shelf guitars might have OBEL capability?
@@sean_k7470 phred guitars, ahh, it's also not super hard to wire yourself
@@sean_k7470 This guitar is not an alembic, its from Deluis Guitars. Probably any guitars inspired by Jerry Garcia, Phreds for example. You can really put an OBEL in any guitar.
Where did you get that guitar
From DeLuis Guitars, was just on loan!
Would have loved an A/B of OBEL vs No OBEL and see how big the tone difference is
Have you ever turned down your guitar volume and lost overdrive/distortion? That's your A, this is your B.
dude got jerry's guitar
i wish...inspired by jerry! haha
@@GabrielBergman95 you're the inspiration now Gab. I'm a Jerry and Robert disciple. Your channel is amazing thank you for spreading the word. All the best
Who made your guitar?
Might be a noob question, but is your TRS cable a separate cable from the regular TS cable? I am seeing Phred Guitars use a dual cable combined together, but wondering if I can just buy them separately for cheaper.
You can do it either way. A custom cable is just a little cleaner looking
With Jerry it's all in the fingers.
How did he get his bottom tone? Unique to my ear. Fat, yet deep, clean and articulate with a hint of grit all in one tone. Never heard that kind of bottom end tone from anyone else. How did he get that? Elsewhere someone emphasized his use of an envelope filter pedal.
Could be the Qtron
@@GabrielBergman95 There's a discussion called Jerry on the Low Strings that mentions the Macintosh amp into JBL speakers and the Tiger guitar as main ingredients in his low end, but he's had that low end since 1970-72 when he didn't have the Tiger. The low end I'm referring to is front and center on the opening riff of the studio cut for New Speedway Boogie on Workingman's Dead. He may have had the Macintosh by then. I was at Veneta in 72 and he was playing a strat. The amps looked like fenders, but could have had the Mac in the mix too. Might have had a Qtron then too, for his extended solo on Playing in the Band especially. There is also a recent review by a bass player using the Qtron. He uses it all the time because it takes his tone to new levels. One Qtron review mentioned how it can extend (or decrease) the frequency ranges of the high and low end. One guy thought that turning the bass knobs to zero in his own rigging of a Jerry type rig made the bass notes more articulate, but a response to that thought he might have his tone pot wired backwards. My guess - the Mac amp and the frequency settings on the Qtron are the keys to his bass strings tone with the auto wah effect from the Qtron added in on a song by song basis. Essentially, using the Qtron as his eq, with tone knobs on his guitar and/or amp turned to zero possibly. One thing about The Dead is they were always fiddling with settings between songs or groups of songs. That's my two cents anyway.
bass all the way down, treble all the way up on the amp. roll off the tone knob til it doesn't sound shrill. most importantly, absolutely no power amp or speaker breakup, you want as much headroom as possible. all of the dirt comes from the preamp. jerry's one of the only guitarists i know of to set up their gear like that, conventional wisdom for guitarists is that you want power amp compression (for cleans) or saturation (for dirt). and while that can certainly sound good, it inevitably gives you a flubby low end compared to the high headroom approach.
the specific gear isn't that important, as long as you get the settings right and have an amp/speakers that can get loud without breaking up.
@@methyod Thanks for the explanation. It also jibs with something I read about Stephen Stills. He was worried at the original Woodstock that his gear wouldn't show up on time and The Dead offered their gear for CSN&Y to use, but Stills turned down the offer because The Dead's amps were set up "too clean." That's in a GP mag issue about how things happened for some famous acts there. Jerry's articulate and round low end phrasings are a favorite tone of mine. Thanks again.
Some of it is the JBL speaker, which is very distinctive. I have a JBL K-120 in an old Mesa Mark I and it has a distinctive articulate low end, even with the bass on the amp rolled way back (which is needed on those old Mesas, which get muddy if you let bass through). This is also an advantage of a strong clean tone. Remember, distortion means harmonics, so it naturally brightens the sound, and imho confuses the low end clarity. A clear, boosted single coil sound into a clean Fender (or Fender-like) amp into a JBL has a very special sort of clarity. If you play a good dreadnought acoustic guitar, especially a mahogany-backed one, you can often hear the same effect.
Where did you get your tiger guitar?? That's totally sweet !!
Check out DeLuis Guitars
This setup is sweet but it is possible to replicate the sound with just a decent pedal board
Totally!
Peak
Each of his guitars that had the effects loop, from the Travis Bean through Rosebud, had different buffers from the next. Each had a different gain setting.
Can you imagine all the sweat and
Dirt grime the copper coils probably rusty and they and then they start dying
Lol
transparent overdrive
I don't really get it.
I never thought that lowering the volume on my guitar decreased the intensity of my effects pedals (except for distortion, which is a function of the tube amp itself ).
???
Mu-tron or similar envelope filters are extremely sensitive to the volume level of your guitar. Modulation effects, even analog delay, can behave very differently depending on the signal level hitting them, which the volume knob directly affects.
@beyondthedead7677 thank you !
drop those qtron settings brother
Ill post them today!
I think it sounds fresh. Nice quack. Also, cool guitar bro. 👍🏻
5/8/1977
Go listen too a BOSTON album....nuff said
Right?
Add a volume pedal to the end of your chain. This is creating a problem where there’s already a solution.
I see no advantage in this. My setup is the opposite. By using only the guitar volume and tone, I can access from clean bright acoustic-like tones to mellow jazzy tones to crunch to full on fuzz *without* affecting my overall volume. With Garcia's setup, yes, your sound will go unchanged regardless of how much you turn down your guitar, but in a live situation, why would you want to turn your guitar way down? If you go to a super low volume you will just get buried by the rest of the band. If the goal is not to be able to retain your effected sound when you turn down, but rather to be able to retain the same sound when you turn *up* for a solo, the same thing can be achieved much more simply by just adding a volume boost, via a volume pedal, a boost, or a boosted EQ pedal at the end of the chain after all your effects, or ideally, in the effects loop.
Thanks for watching!
I’m looking for a new envelope filter
Analog Man makes a copy of the original
My favorite is the qtron plus!
@@sean_k7470 I haven’t watched the video but are we talking about a mutron clone
@@mantashaft pretty much. MXR did the original envelope filter, AnalogMan does a copy of the MXR, but Qtron is, to me, a little more consistent with doing the Wah effect. I have the AnalogMan and the Wah is driven by the force of your strumming
@@GabrielBergman95 Been waiting since June on reverb Pre-order... Hope to get my Qtron+ by Mid-January. lol. I have the A.MAN pedal he's referring to and the video you do with a combination of the Qtron+ and the OC3... nailed the tone so hard that I got put on the pre order list. The A.MAN is better than the Keeley Garcia pedal - Neutrino. A.MAN seems to vocalize the chords better. So, long story short Gabriel Bergman has a keen ear for the tone we're all searching for. In order of authentic sound.. Qtron+... then A.MAN... then Neutrino. In my opinion.
A junction box is not needed. Waste of money.