I don't know why I feel compelled to say it now Seth, but apart from creating very engaging Magic content you have for 10 years provided an extremely comforting space and safe retreat from the complexity of the world for me. Whenever I need a ~60 minute break from life I see if there's a new SaffronOlive video and when there is time after is a little bit easier. Thanks from the bottom of my heart!
Interesting thing about the Doc is that it works with: Foretell, Disturb, Flashback, Adventure, Escape and things like Wren,s Resolve. So quite versatile if you ask me.
Oooooooh! I get it! The flavor is that you plant seeds in your PLOT, then wait til they're mature and ripe for picking. It was a farming set all along!
That last game against domain made me so happy. After the slog of the game before, just absolutely crshing them with the beatdown after countering their wrath. They had two counterspells the turn before. I dont know why they wasted it on a single tumbleweed rising if they were going to wrath the next turn. Maybe they drew the wrath.
Exactly. For Foretell, it is cryptic prophecy. You know something is coming, but not what. For Plot, you are a villain monologuing to a hero about exactly how you are going to conquer the world.
@@laurentrobitaille2204 I don't think everyone knows and I don't think it's terrible flavour wise but they did miss the mark a bit, the mechanic should intuitively make sense without extra context.
@@laurentrobitaille2204 The flavor is fine. It makes sense in the set and is only a complaint because a different keyword 3 years in the past matches the literal definition slightly better, even though it completely fails on the actual cultural touchstones of the words.
Plot is a mechanic that punishes decks that overly rely on having single target removal, or sweepers. If your gameplan is to not let the opponent play the game, then plot reveals how you will lose in a few turns. If your deck sees a plotted card, you should steam role forward or play rule of law style stax. Plot is giving up power now, for power later. This turns plot into a kind of omnath locus of mana effect. This combined with boardwipes or counter spells allows you to combo off safely. But only if you live long enough.
The swing at 46:03 is extra funny cause if the opponent had just actually swung out in instead of the half commiment awing they did they would have won cause their legitimate business person would have gotten through the last one damage they needed
But plot is defined as meaning to secretly devise plans. Revealing one's plans through monologuing is the opposite of the dictionary definition of plotting.
The problem with face downplot is one of information. Fortell works face down because you pay a set cost for every card you put face down, and the varying price was for casting it out of fortell. However the varying cost with plot is the cost to exile the card from your hand, which your table needs to be able to verify (at least in Paper play)
At the end of Match 4, the opponent get auto-tapper'd!! It tapped their two swamps and a forest to cast gix, rather than tapping the plaza, meaning they had no black sources for non-legendary stuff!
I'd love to see you try this out with the new Fblthp and maybe some kind of self-mill/scry/ramp shell that enables you to move off the lands from the top of your library to keep casting off it
Plot in Simic IS an extremely underrated mechanic, yes. It requires a very specific mindset which is not obvious, because you need to think exactly halfway between a control deck and a tempo deck. The massive board that comes out of nowhere IS the sweeper, because it forces trades, and counterspells make it unavoidable. Now, this is both a budget deck and a standard deck so it's already performing impressively well, but older formats is where truly utter broken stuff happens. I'll give a sequence just as an example, but there are dozens like that in MULTIPLE archetypes: turn 3 Spelunking -> Lotus Field -> Kiora -> plot/cast Outcaster Trailblazer, depending on how you want the tempo swings to happen. It works well with the ring, because you keep buying time until you're ready, it works with blue sweepers like Baral's Expertise because your creatures have an etb anyway, and in the specific case of Doc Aurlock, since he does NOT have an etb all the plots are literally unavoidable, because plotting is a special action which doesn't go on the stack and there's no window for removal. This is one of the most creative ways to represent a certain kind of Simic since ages, imo.
I was messing around with a similar plot deck for a while. I ended up adding red for that 4/4 cactus that gives your creatures haste and trample and winning some games.
The bronco deck gets very few shots at the big combo. If you had saved a Fading Hope to respond to the the Skrelv trigger, they would draw their Shadow which would fizzle the combo, and delay the next bronco hit by at least two turns. That's probably enough time to pull off a win. If you are playing the bronco deck, it looks like sequencing is very important because a lot needs to go right to pull it off. To optimally preserve your resources, you'll want to make sure that you do the most vulnerable things first, which would depend on what you're playing against (creature removal vs counterspell on the Avarice). In this case since the opponent did the avarice first that opened up the door to fizzling the Avarice setting up the library. It would also be pretty funny to use a forced draw or search effect like Faerie Mastermind or Field of Ruin (or even another Avarice in the mirror match!) to fizzle the Bronco combo.
I had only looked at the title of the video and when it said plot your entire hand and storm off, I figured you were going to use Slickshot Show-Off because that was the first card with Plot that came to mind that gave any kind of payoff for casting a bunch of spells in the same turn :)
13:42 Not trying to trade Canyon Crab for Tinybones here seems real suboptimal. Especially when pretty much any non-land topdeck taps you out of doing it next turn and Tinybones can no longer be crabbed.
add a dopplegang, bristly bill, and a couple virtue of strength and you make 12 railway brawlers, double the counters X times and boom, you have a Tumbleweed +billion/+billion creature.
Ack, wrong sort of budget for me. Needs three mythic wildcards for me to fill out and that doesn't seem like a card I should replace. Still, very neat.
@ 31:17. it's because plot has a specific cost for each card, it's not universal. the opponent needs to know you're paying the right type and amount of mana
I'm surprised that you don't have any Aloe Alchemists in here. It felt like you really wanted some way to get your big Tumbleweeds through during board stalls, and the Alchemist is basically a pump spell that gives you a free trampler later.
i don't know all the cards but plot seems really good if a card can wipe everything including lands cause then you just fill the board with everything you plotted
The reason plot is facedown is that the plot cost requires colored mana and different total mana costs whereas the foretell cost is always two generic mana.
As much as I love standard right now, i just can't play against domain anymore. Which is sad because standard appears to be so diverse and fun.. I just can't waste 30 minutes of my day on one match battling back and forth with domain every other match so I'm just rocking and rolling in explorer where it's few and far between... I, like you, hate that Sunfall isn't gone this upcoming rotation. It's so frustrating knowing they get that stupid token. And more often than not it's a crazy like 7/7 all the way up to a consistent 10/10.. so for 7 mana they're exiling my whole board and gaining a 10/10. That's just mind boggling. At very least they should've capped the power and toughness as a 2/2 but .. WOTC and their power creep to facilitate bo1 formats. If you look at every other wrath the last time we had an exile wrath in standard that was good was Settle the Wreckage right?? And at least then it would ramp you to the point of making sure rebuilding was possible as it thinned the deck and ramped you. Sunfall is just a ludicrous card. It should've been in a commander precon and never a constructed card. Of course all my opinion so I'm sure it's not thought of as the creme dé lą creme of opinions but still... As always, thanks for the super cool content Seth. Much appreciated!!
You can say, 'Can I use your bathroom?' and nobody cares. But if you ask, 'Can I use the plot-plot machine?' it always breaks the conversation. -Dave Attell (Planeswalker)
"Plot" should have been "Foreshadow"; then you could have Flashback be a set mechanic, and all of the Bonus Sheet cards could be cool flashback cards. (Outlaw's Merriment + other on-theme reprints could have just been main set reprints...)
Hey Seth I've always found the budget thing to feel disingenuous imo, since what is cheap in money might not be cheap in wild cards, and vice versa. If you're showcasing it in arena for something to play with in paper, fair, but for those of us who only play(ed) arena lately, it's probably worth mentioning the wild card investment? Love the content, hope the constructive criticism landed well?
not sure if you even notice, but during opponent's turn you are constantly clicking your mouse button. As a watcher this is super annoying and for sure this is not beneficial towards your mouse's longevity.
"We're gonna do a little strokin'"
HOW DO WE STOP SETH FROM SAYING THAT
We don't. And we did.
II mean, it's Wizards who names the cards....
@@MTGGoldfish And it's you that's playing it... :P
Seth when you are alone: Oh my gosh!
Seth when your parents walk in: Keep on strokin' it!
'Duelist of the Mind Mage' sounds like a Yu-Gi-Oh card ;D
I was thinking it sounds like the subtitle of one of those weird PS1/PS2 era Yu-Gi-Oh games that has none of the actual Yu-Gi-Oh mechanics in it.
Duelist of Mind Mange II VAstro
I don't know why I feel compelled to say it now Seth, but apart from creating very engaging Magic content you have for 10 years provided an extremely comforting space and safe retreat from the complexity of the world for me. Whenever I need a ~60 minute break from life I see if there's a new SaffronOlive video and when there is time after is a little bit easier. Thanks from the bottom of my heart!
Agreed, MTG Goldfish content is my evening escape. Like a nice book in a candlelit bath
You beat the best deck in the format. That means you have the best deck in the format now!
the only way to tell what's the best deck in a format is "did Saf beat it with a budget or against the odds brew" it never fails!
Interesting thing about the Doc is that it works with: Foretell, Disturb, Flashback, Adventure, Escape and things like Wren,s Resolve. So quite versatile if you ask me.
Oooooooh! I get it! The flavor is that you plant seeds in your PLOT, then wait til they're mature and ripe for picking. It was a farming set all along!
Saf blocking a 2/2 with a 16/16 and a 7/6 with a 6/6 instead of the opposite way to save his creature is definitely a play lol 18:25
I know right? He could've done that and blocked the duelist with his 10/10, had all his creatures live, and won on the spot
Worst punt in a long time
Yeah, that was a little awkward. Oops.
That last game against domain made me so happy. After the slog of the game before, just absolutely crshing them with the beatdown after countering their wrath. They had two counterspells the turn before. I dont know why they wasted it on a single tumbleweed rising if they were going to wrath the next turn. Maybe they drew the wrath.
Best guess is that they were really scared of the card draw.
They did, you can actually watch their hand to confirm the wrath was the card they drew that turn.
37:56 Seth you played a deck with 36 wraths, you’re one to talk
Lol, fair.
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You made a deck that makes 20/20s and you arent flinging them? What'd you do with real Seth?!
I'm soft banned from playing Flings for another couple of weeks.
@@MTGGoldfishwe need you to return to this deck with a fling subtheme in a couple weeks then
Love to see a modest budget deck for historic bring your own deck events. Everyone there I see plays the one ring and artifacts.
I believe maro said that plot is supposed to be like when the villain reveals their dastardly plans early to the hero.
Exactly. For Foretell, it is cryptic prophecy. You know something is coming, but not what. For Plot, you are a villain monologuing to a hero about exactly how you are going to conquer the world.
Everyone knows what Mari said and it’s still terrible flavorwise. Might as well have called the mechanic “Big Reveal” or something along those lines.
Maro also thought Companion was great game design.
@@laurentrobitaille2204 I don't think everyone knows and I don't think it's terrible flavour wise but they did miss the mark a bit, the mechanic should intuitively make sense without extra context.
@@laurentrobitaille2204 The flavor is fine. It makes sense in the set and is only a complaint because a different keyword 3 years in the past matches the literal definition slightly better, even though it completely fails on the actual cultural touchstones of the words.
"This is a good one-lander" is a phrase normally heard only from Mono Red players.
21:26 Seth’s iconic line.
I was playing around with a Temur version using Recuiter to give the team haste
you could also do terror of the peaks and shoot face for roughly a million
@SenpuuNoMa1 yeah, but two red pips is harder to splash than one.
Plot is a mechanic that punishes decks that overly rely on having single target removal, or sweepers.
If your gameplan is to not let the opponent play the game, then plot reveals how you will lose in a few turns.
If your deck sees a plotted card, you should steam role forward or play rule of law style stax.
Plot is giving up power now, for power later.
This turns plot into a kind of omnath locus of mana effect.
This combined with boardwipes or counter spells allows you to combo off safely.
But only if you live long enough.
Nice deck. I would replace some cards with new Oko and new Jace. The big worm too.
The swing at 46:03 is extra funny cause if the opponent had just actually swung out in instead of the half commiment awing they did they would have won cause their legitimate business person would have gotten through the last one damage they needed
When you plot something like a villain, the thought is that you are gloating and showing off your evil plans ahead of time. Monologuing if you will
But plot is defined as meaning to secretly devise plans. Revealing one's plans through monologuing is the opposite of the dictionary definition of plotting.
@@nomative8915 Good thing words can have meanings outside of the literal dictionary, such as common cultural touchstones, eh?
@@galacticgamer6635 Cultural touch stones that only apply to people who are ignorant of an otherwise commonly used word should not be embraced.
@@galacticgamer6635 You don’t know what cultural touchstone means
The problem with face downplot is one of information. Fortell works face down because you pay a set cost for every card you put face down, and the varying price was for casting it out of fortell. However the varying cost with plot is the cost to exile the card from your hand, which your table needs to be able to verify (at least in Paper play)
Comeback in second game was amazing. I think I will build this deck now
At the end of Match 4, the opponent get auto-tapper'd!! It tapped their two swamps and a forest to cast gix, rather than tapping the plaza, meaning they had no black sources for non-legendary stuff!
That comback at 49:20 *Chef Kiss*
I'd love to see you try this out with the new Fblthp and maybe some kind of self-mill/scry/ramp shell that enables you to move off the lands from the top of your library to keep casting off it
Plot in Simic IS an extremely underrated mechanic, yes.
It requires a very specific mindset which is not obvious, because you need to think exactly halfway between a control deck and a tempo deck. The massive board that comes out of nowhere IS the sweeper, because it forces trades, and counterspells make it unavoidable.
Now, this is both a budget deck and a standard deck so it's already performing impressively well, but older formats is where truly utter broken stuff happens.
I'll give a sequence just as an example, but there are dozens like that in MULTIPLE archetypes: turn 3 Spelunking -> Lotus Field -> Kiora -> plot/cast Outcaster Trailblazer, depending on how you want the tempo swings to happen.
It works well with the ring, because you keep buying time until you're ready, it works with blue sweepers like Baral's Expertise because your creatures have an etb anyway, and in the specific case of Doc Aurlock, since he does NOT have an etb all the plots are literally unavoidable, because plotting is a special action which doesn't go on the stack and there's no window for removal.
This is one of the most creative ways to represent a certain kind of Simic since ages, imo.
I was messing around with a similar plot deck for a while. I ended up adding red for that 4/4 cactus that gives your creatures haste and trample and winning some games.
Don't forget you can buff the crab to 4 power and then do your 4 power draw shenanigans.
The bronco deck gets very few shots at the big combo. If you had saved a Fading Hope to respond to the the Skrelv trigger, they would draw their Shadow which would fizzle the combo, and delay the next bronco hit by at least two turns. That's probably enough time to pull off a win.
If you are playing the bronco deck, it looks like sequencing is very important because a lot needs to go right to pull it off. To optimally preserve your resources, you'll want to make sure that you do the most vulnerable things first, which would depend on what you're playing against (creature removal vs counterspell on the Avarice). In this case since the opponent did the avarice first that opened up the door to fizzling the Avarice setting up the library.
It would also be pretty funny to use a forced draw or search effect like Faerie Mastermind or Field of Ruin (or even another Avarice in the mirror match!) to fizzle the Bronco combo.
At least on the 'budget' series, might it be possible to put the number of card rarities on the overview pages at the beginning/end?
got the complete backasswardness of foretell/plot! my man!
I had only looked at the title of the video and when it said plot your entire hand and storm off, I figured you were going to use Slickshot Show-Off because that was the first card with Plot that came to mind that gave any kind of payoff for casting a bunch of spells in the same turn :)
Seth has a lot of facial hair, he's plotting and he's playing Magic...he's Hairy Plotter!!! Great content as always Seth!
On that Doc grabbed by the bat .. shouldhave fadeing hoped the bat and played out doc xD.
13:42 Not trying to trade Canyon Crab for Tinybones here seems real suboptimal. Especially when pretty much any non-land topdeck taps you out of doing it next turn and Tinybones can no longer be crabbed.
I built a cool Bant plot deck online with Kellan as the commander, it was really fun even if the plot cards are a bit scant.
1:19:54 I forget that Railway Brawler is not an outlaw sometimes. It feels like it should be a mercenary in the Outlaws set.
1:07:10 It's either part of the getaway plan or Tumbleweeds in that plane hold a power or currency that could be valuable
Adding a Fling/Callous Sellsword or a voldarien thrillseeker, and it becomes a OTK deck that's quite fun.
add a dopplegang, bristly bill, and a couple virtue of strength and you make 12 railway brawlers, double the counters X times and boom, you have a Tumbleweed +billion/+billion creature.
Ack, wrong sort of budget for me. Needs three mythic wildcards for me to fill out and that doesn't seem like a card I should replace.
Still, very neat.
Yeah, this one is cheap in paper, but not especially cheap on Arena.
@ 31:17. it's because plot has a specific cost for each card, it's not universal. the opponent needs to know you're paying the right type and amount of mana
Match 2 opponent got so tilted over counters they couldn't see the forest for the trees.
Dunno 28 lands in this deck seems too much the curve is not high
labds b cheap
I'm seeing 24?
It's 24.
@@MTGGoldfish i see only 32 non land
why is this liked 😂
I'm surprised that you don't have any Aloe Alchemists in here. It felt like you really wanted some way to get your big Tumbleweeds through during board stalls, and the Alchemist is basically a pump spell that gives you a free trampler later.
i don't know all the cards but plot seems really good if a card can wipe everything including lands cause then you just fill the board with everything you plotted
New drinking game: any time Seth says "best deck in the format" chug.
I come for the cool decks and stay for the “oPPOnent” 😎
Who would have thought face up foretell would be so good
The important difference is 2 installments of mana vs 1 larger installment followed by a free cast on a later turn.
In other words, plot is a mechanism for storing mana for future turns. Which is inherently powerful
It's plot as in planting on your homestead I think. Gotta wait for them to grow.
Funnily enough I had the exact same idea where foretell and plot should have been swapped
Countering that last wrath in game 2 match 2, while you're at 1 and they're at 42, so they just scoop... WOW!
There’s some serious PLOT armor in this Against the Odds
1:01:06 WE CAN'T KEEP LETTING HIM GET AWAY WITH IT XD
For 1 red mana song can give your board haste but I suppose that could mess up the mana base idk
Deadly cover up, kotose plus the plot wheel against the odds
I humbly request that from now on, plot storming out railway brawlers be referred to as “running a train on the opponent”
The reason plot is facedown is that the plot cost requires colored mana and different total mana costs whereas the foretell cost is always two generic mana.
39:57
I put Cankerbloom in every green commander deck I make
As much as I love standard right now, i just can't play against domain anymore. Which is sad because standard appears to be so diverse and fun.. I just can't waste 30 minutes of my day on one match battling back and forth with domain every other match so I'm just rocking and rolling in explorer where it's few and far between... I, like you, hate that Sunfall isn't gone this upcoming rotation. It's so frustrating knowing they get that stupid token. And more often than not it's a crazy like 7/7 all the way up to a consistent 10/10.. so for 7 mana they're exiling my whole board and gaining a 10/10. That's just mind boggling. At very least they should've capped the power and toughness as a 2/2 but .. WOTC and their power creep to facilitate bo1 formats. If you look at every other wrath the last time we had an exile wrath in standard that was good was Settle the Wreckage right?? And at least then it would ramp you to the point of making sure rebuilding was possible as it thinned the deck and ramped you. Sunfall is just a ludicrous card. It should've been in a commander precon and never a constructed card. Of course all my opinion so I'm sure it's not thought of as the creme dé lą creme of opinions but still...
As always, thanks for the super cool content Seth. Much appreciated!!
I would play a single audacity. The deck really cares about 4 power creatures and the trample damage could easily secure wins for this deck
Why not add up the bean stalks to the deck? Or maybe flashback plot to pull back tumbleweed.
The proper response to "thinking" is "your go" lol
The proper response to thinking is the capybara emote.
"Aaaahh 3 wraths!"
SaffronOlive, the one who played a 20+ wraths deck 😂
You reveal your plot to the opponent because you're a villain. And villain love to tell their plot, laughing maniacally!
Delayed gratification? So the deck is built around edging..?
I had a friend we called Delayed Gratification.
He's having the same problem I was with the plot deck.
By the time you drop your stuff, the opponent has something better down.
I’m trying a plot deck like this, but three-color blue, red, green.
Railway Brawler is so broken in a Gitrog commander deck. I’ve drawn half my deck and played like 15 lands with it.
Here for the Modest Mouse shirt
You can say, 'Can I use your bathroom?' and nobody cares. But if you ask, 'Can I use the plot-plot machine?' it always breaks the conversation. -Dave Attell (Planeswalker)
Geralf feels glaringly missing in this list. Is there a reason you didn’t run it? Great vid and great deck though!
Plot storm, also known as Simic Splorm
Plot-sibility Storm
Another week, another round of beating the best deck in the format.
why not splash red for imodane recruiter for hgaste? also gets reduced by the bear on adventure
"crabs is the best"
-Seth, 2024
"Plot" should have been "Foreshadow"; then you could have Flashback be a set mechanic, and all of the Bonus Sheet cards could be cool flashback cards. (Outlaw's Merriment + other on-theme reprints could have just been main set reprints...)
The repeated decision to play Tumbleweeds BEFORE cloning your Railway Brawlers is extremely painful, the weeds coulda been so much larger
I feel like this deck needs a Goldvein Hydra or something that can just land and hit for a ton of damage
No new Fblthp? Feel like he could spice up the deck
Are you plotting the Oregon Trail video?
Seth always beating the best deck in standard with his budget jank
Hey Seth
I've always found the budget thing to feel disingenuous imo, since what is cheap in money might not be cheap in wild cards, and vice versa.
If you're showcasing it in arena for something to play with in paper, fair, but for those of us who only play(ed) arena lately, it's probably worth mentioning the wild card investment?
Love the content, hope the constructive criticism landed well?
Needs more Worldfire
I think plotting is supposed to refer to plotting seeds or fields rather than plotting a robbery.
That Esper player in the first match punted hard. Just throwing away games.
Makes the win a little less impressive.
Could you afford to splash red for Song of Totentanz?
“If railway brawler dies we die in real life”
How did the name Saffron Olive come to be?
Please bring back magic the gathering tactics!!!!!
The time between standard rotation is so long you could almost call it EXTENDED.
Whats the best way to get cards from the big score??
Why does he call Duelist of the Mind "Duelist of the Mind Mage"? Is this a reference to something?
one land one keep, 60% of the time it works every time 😂
not sure if you even notice, but during opponent's turn you are constantly clicking your mouse button. As a watcher this is super annoying and for sure this is not beneficial towards your mouse's longevity.
I'm surprised that there's no Jace
I have a brawl idea. Not a good one. Just an idea