KRAFTWERK - Computer World (vinyl)

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  • Опубліковано 12 тра 2015
  • From the 1981 LP Computer World:
    Computer World 00:00 and Computer World 2 05:14
    Kraftwerk are recognised as one of the first pioneers in electronic music, and also one of the most influential bands of all time.
    From Wikipedia:
    "Kraftwerk are seen as "electro-pop" pioneers.
    Kraftwerk's lyrics deal with post-war European urban life and technology-traveling by car on the Autobahn, traveling by train, using home computers, and the like. Usually, the lyrics are very minimal but reveal both an innocent celebration of, and a knowing caution about, the modern world, as well as playing an integral role in the rhythmic structure of the songs. Many of Kraftwerk's songs express the paradoxical nature of modern urban life-a strong sense of alienation existing side-by-side with a celebration of the joys of modern technology."

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  • @Atackamaz
    @Atackamaz 4 роки тому +66

    The beatles of the electronic music.

  • @Error6503
    @Error6503 Рік тому +8

    I remember the day like it was yesterday. My brother came home from school (he was 18 and I was 15) having bought this album during his lunch break on the day it came out. He then proceeded to have a heated discussion with our dad in the kitchen so I took it to our bedroom and listened alone. I was mesmerised, it was like hearing a prophecy from God. Every time I hear that opening bass line I think back to watching the hypnotic vinyl spinning for the very first time.
    We saw them on the tour, probably the most awe inspiring concert I've seen ... I still have the ticket stubs.

    • @NormAppleton
      @NormAppleton 7 місяців тому

      Your brother ran interference, appreciate that

  • @MesCaLiN21
    @MesCaLiN21 4 роки тому +59

    Damals hörte man diese Musik und träumte davon im Jahr 2020 zu leben. Heute höre ich diese Musik und träume davon in den 80ern zu leben...

    • @btsr2553
      @btsr2553 3 роки тому +3

      Para Rui, que põe tanto esforço no seu grande canal. Nessa altura, as pessoas ouviam esta música e sonhavam em viver em 2020. Hoje ouço esta música e sonho em viver nos anos 80.

    • @dietergoes5626
      @dietergoes5626 3 роки тому +2

      Besser kann mans nicht sagen

    • @klauskarnath8233
      @klauskarnath8233 3 роки тому +2

      In den 70ern wohlbemerkt...das waren die Ursprünge...

    • @MesCaLiN21
      @MesCaLiN21 3 роки тому +3

      @@klauskarnath8233 Die 70er waren bestimmt auch hochinteressant aber in den 80ern war die Hochphase.
      Ehrlich gesagt alles besser als heutzutage^^

    • @vomHansDampf
      @vomHansDampf Рік тому +1

      Wie war

  • @micksmith106
    @micksmith106 Рік тому +4

    When this group and their music go out of fashion....you know the world has ended ....Kraftwerk ....they were the inventors ..and it was the only the beginning ...

  • @diderichlangmannen
    @diderichlangmannen 4 роки тому +22

    The Gods of electronic music ...

  • @lutwitters
    @lutwitters 4 роки тому +18

    Yesterday Florian Schneider, founder Kraftwerk, has died. I like their music. In 1984 I bought this LP when I was doing a traineeship in Venezuela/Caracas.

  • @MarleneAngulo
    @MarleneAngulo Рік тому +5

    I love kraftwerk one of the best remembering that times who is dj greetings

  • @LERobbo
    @LERobbo Рік тому +8

    Longterm Kraftwerk fan here, since 1984.
    Besides the music you just have to love the strong German accent in the vocals!
    R.I.P. Florian Schneider (1947 - 2020).

  • @sergioluna1107
    @sergioluna1107 4 роки тому +15

    This music is 1981 years...word computer..now 2019 is word computer true !!!!!!...the future in this song...

  • @JamesWalker-em4eo
    @JamesWalker-em4eo 4 роки тому +30

    Man if yaw could see me right now because I’m crying 😭 because this is my childhood and these were the best times for me because I love dancing 🕺. Who doesn’t remember the first time being hit by KraftWerk? Man I taught myself how to tick off this whole album. Ticking is a more intricate form of popping. Popping is joint to joint and ticking is using your joints but twitching your muscles in between your joints to give it the appearance that your being jolted by electric ⚡️. This was my Jam

    • @stinkypinkeee5085
      @stinkypinkeee5085 4 роки тому +4

      I wish I had found these guys as a kid (Born in 1973)...Just started diving into this in December 2019...truly as important as The Beatles or Chuck Berry...

    • @bobbydennis1156
      @bobbydennis1156 Рік тому +1

      I can dig it brother

    • @MarleneAngulo
      @MarleneAngulo Рік тому +1

      I love this kraftwerk song how much I remember one of my favorites and what a time greetings who dj

  • @markspooner16
    @markspooner16 4 роки тому +23

    RIP Florian Schneider.

  • @alconsult5322
    @alconsult5322 2 роки тому +7

    I've that LP (in fact all LP's from this great group). For some reason, that I cannot explain, they were responsible for my interest in electronics and computer programming (Assembly, Fortran and Basic) 🙂

  • @yves-vv6uf
    @yves-vv6uf Рік тому +4

    Masters of their art❤❤❤❤❤❤❤😊😊😊😊😊

  • @ferenchardi4090
    @ferenchardi4090 5 років тому +9

    The best Electronic Album ever ever !

  • @pedrorezende6840
    @pedrorezende6840 Рік тому +10

    Nas boates do Rio de Janeiro, esta música era quase que obrigatória nos repertórios das noites. Ano de 1982. Época inesquecível!! Parabéns pelo vídeo

  • @pecatoribus64
    @pecatoribus64 4 роки тому +9

    Ruhe in Frieden Florian Schneider.

  • @pinkfloydfan92
    @pinkfloydfan92 9 років тому +52

    This sounds amazing on vinyl

    • @Dreamskater100
      @Dreamskater100 4 роки тому +1

      It does.

    • @manudelmarche
      @manudelmarche 4 роки тому

      Hahaha another vinyl aficionado . I had it engraved on a 78 rpm shellac and it sounds even better

    • @shaunnmitchell2845
      @shaunnmitchell2845 4 роки тому

      Fact's!!!!! I'm a dj and when I think back to all my classic equipment I can just imagine how good this whole album would sound magnificent on wax with great sounding speakers. Fact's!!!!

    • @rodrigobraz2
      @rodrigobraz2 Рік тому

      So you're saying a *digital* (UA-cam) reproduction of vynil is better than a digital reproduction of the master tapes?

  • @jameslawson6245
    @jameslawson6245 Рік тому +1

    This is IT! My college Days At SUNY New Paltz, NY in the 80s...Turned on as soon as I heard This!

  • @lucaspardocarvajal6675
    @lucaspardocarvajal6675 Рік тому +4

    Completely alive!!! Awesome performance

  • @victorevanssr8771
    @victorevanssr8771 4 роки тому +12

    Bad ass German's the true back bone of hip hop

  • @randypam69
    @randypam69 2 роки тому +4

    No one comes close to Kraftwerk technology🔥💪🏻👈🏻☝🏻

  • @rodrigobraz2
    @rodrigobraz2 Рік тому +2

    I did not know this version (Computer World 2). Very nice!

  • @miluus73
    @miluus73 4 роки тому +5

    😪 R I P 🎹🎤 FLORIAN 🌧😪

  • @marioblume6180
    @marioblume6180 6 років тому +11

    Kraftwerk waren ihrer Zeit weit voraus!

  • @Comicdominicano
    @Comicdominicano 9 років тому +19

    Today's artists who used "Electronic music" as label must be revised!
    This guys are one of the first pioneers in electronic music using computer voice with real music. I mean they're not recycling music made by others!
    this music reminds me little bit to ELO
    :P
    Nice intro!

    • @MrVinylObsessive
      @MrVinylObsessive  9 років тому +7

      Comicdominicano
      Nope, they were the real genuine article!
      In fact, ELO were influenced by Kraftwerk, hence the resemblance.
      But many, many artists were influenced by this guys, even those with very different musical styles!
      Thank you, señor Raúl! ;D

    • @McLarenMercedes
      @McLarenMercedes 4 роки тому +4

      @@MrVinylObsessive Quite right. Hip hop for instance is very different music wise but even they admit that that style wouldn't have existed without their "grandfather" Afrika Bambaataa - and he himself said that he got a lot of influence by listening to Kraftwerk. Had he made his "Planet Rock" had he never heard Kraftwerk? Not a chance. If one wants to be a bit cynical one can say he just "funked up" their sound for dance clubs in Bronx, New York and got hailed as a "pioneer" which would be as foolish to claim that Henry Ford invented the car or that Bill Gates invented the computer.
      And when it comes to the early "techno" pioneers they definitely had heard them.

  • @marikaherwegh2305
    @marikaherwegh2305 4 роки тому +8

    Die Väter der elektronischen Musik 💜

  • @cbfall
    @cbfall 9 років тому +20

    Superb song!

  • @claudewarluzel2538
    @claudewarluzel2538 6 років тому +9

    Magnifique morceau, un vrai coup de maître.

  • @aq6737
    @aq6737 4 роки тому +2

    I still have this album!!

  • @aspjake123
    @aspjake123 Рік тому +2

    I discovered KW after listening to Tangerine Dream back when vinyl ruled the day.

  • @judgeberry6071
    @judgeberry6071 2 роки тому +3

    Fantastique

  • @roger-ib9fr
    @roger-ib9fr 6 років тому +6

    Awesome song

  • @derricktaylor470
    @derricktaylor470 9 років тому +4

    Thanks for posting this on my birthday! One of my favorite bands. Keep up the good work.

  • @appafonso
    @appafonso 2 роки тому +3

    kraftwerg sempre desde tenra idade Paz! Music is the Glory and Arts too

  • @Ring0fSaturn
    @Ring0fSaturn 4 роки тому +15

    First: this audio and video is superb. The minimalist image of the tone arm riding on a sea of black vinyl is hypnotic.
    Second: isn't it ironic that this vinyl recording of techno pop, re-recorded for playing through YT, sounds better than most digital versions?
    Thank you, @UCmR81CjsNWkTZwo5odbgG1A.

  • @Cajundweeb
    @Cajundweeb 3 роки тому +3

    Used as the theme song for the BBC Television series "The Computer Programme."

  • @user-pl5qp7hx8q
    @user-pl5qp7hx8q 2 роки тому +5

    Шикарная музыка!!

  • @conjoman2469
    @conjoman2469 9 років тому +7

    Awesome as always

  • @FunkyThinkersShorts
    @FunkyThinkersShorts 6 років тому +7

    1st minute must be an iconic sound for people of a certain generation...

  • @KreuzbergerNaechte
    @KreuzbergerNaechte 5 років тому +5

    A timeless classic :)

    • @1963johnbhoy
      @1963johnbhoy 5 років тому

      I was also going to post timeless but my clock is fucked.

  • @user-hp1uf2nw7v
    @user-hp1uf2nw7v 4 роки тому +2

    Super

  • @devilsom73
    @devilsom73 4 роки тому +5

    Très bon titre et la qualité est excellente !!!

  • @TheFrog767
    @TheFrog767 5 років тому +4

    So true it is a📱📲💻🖥📞☎️💿💾💽⌨📟📠💻🖥🌍🌎🌏.

    • @sergioluna1107
      @sergioluna1107 4 роки тому

      Yes...very fantastic this song...now is the word of computer !!!!

  • @metaluna72
    @metaluna72 4 роки тому +2

    Computer world 2...Electro Anthem, never less.

  • @Zoli80s
    @Zoli80s 5 років тому +4

    Anthem of computer world!

  • @Dreamskater100
    @Dreamskater100 4 роки тому +4

    Sublime.

  • @NOWtheband
    @NOWtheband 4 роки тому +4

    They're good lads.

  • @fredjiles131
    @fredjiles131 8 років тому +6

    i remember when folks were always comparing kraftwerk to devo...go figure? both were bad ass!!!!

  • @norbertcristia7134
    @norbertcristia7134 2 роки тому +2

    Nice

  • @klausbielawa7689
    @klausbielawa7689 4 роки тому +1

    einer der besten von Kraftwerk.

  • @VladBorisych
    @VladBorisych 8 років тому +8

    Daft Pank - Technologic... Now I know where they got the idea for that thing from :) Fantastic song. Need to get that album, I missed it somehow...

    • @nicomeier8098
      @nicomeier8098 4 роки тому +3

      If you are familiar with Kraftwerk you will notivce that a LOT of music has been influenced by their work, not just techno.

  • @juanvelandia8932
    @juanvelandia8932 6 років тому +4

    amazing i love it

  • @PIUPIUPIUEROS
    @PIUPIUPIUEROS 7 років тому +10

    Sensacional!!!

    • @sergioluna1107
      @sergioluna1107 4 роки тому

      Pensemos que esta musica data de 1981..donde dice mundo de computadoras..o sea una vision de futuro increible..hoy 2019 el mundo se rige con una computadora,todo gira en torno a ella,tramites,viajes,relaciones,negocios...todo...increiblemente esa cancion es fantasticamente futurista !!!!!!!

  • @deborahjacob5277
    @deborahjacob5277 5 років тому +7

    Futurista...muito bom!!!

    • @ironman405
      @ironman405 5 років тому +1

      @Deborah Jacob
      , com certeza, os Alemães foram percussores no estilo Space Music, como Kraftwerk, recomendo escutar Klaus Schulze, este sim é o mestre da Space Music. Depois escute Michael Garrison, ( este era de USA) um abraço 👍👍👍.....

    • @sergioluna1107
      @sergioluna1107 4 роки тому

      Correto..pensemos que esta musica foi escrita hace mais de 30 anos atras...y en ela fala un mundo de computadores...y hoy 2019 el mundo es una gran computadora....incredivile preficcion de futuro !!!! Beijo da argentina

  • @alireza-vq6ul
    @alireza-vq6ul 3 роки тому

    Beautiful. thanks.

  • @liaracoski7577
    @liaracoski7577 3 роки тому +3

    Tenho 35 anos e amo esse som!

  • @user-gq2sl5ry1w
    @user-gq2sl5ry1w 4 місяці тому +2

    After what happened with my tablet and some computers something else came threw maybe better as far making things happen. Hopefully yours did too as well or maybe even better!💻📱💷

  • @arturbreyer9667
    @arturbreyer9667 Рік тому +1

    Maravilha! Ah! Esses graves....!

  • @uweroler1216
    @uweroler1216 Рік тому +3

    Edgar Froese( Tangerine Dream), Klaus Schulze, Florian Schneider( Kraftwerk). Höre ich jene Musik, rollt mir doch die eine oder andere Träne aus den Augen, denn Klang-Welten, Kompositionen ihrer Art wird es in dieser Form nie wieder geben. Ich verneige mich vor den verstorbenen Genies...

    • @femme-mirage
      @femme-mirage Рік тому

      Holy Trinity of that wonderful sound 🖤 Edgar, Klaus and Florian...

    • @dariuszmarekmorawski3571
      @dariuszmarekmorawski3571 Рік тому

      Dzięki za te słowa . Czasami płaczę że Tej Niezwykłej Muzyki już więcej nie usłyszę 😪😪😪😪😪😪💓💓💓💓👍👍

  • @pedrobatiista8964
    @pedrobatiista8964 6 років тому +8

    esse som e o maximo

  • @travelaroundbdme
    @travelaroundbdme 6 років тому +8

    Who could ever dislike this video!!! I'm wondering.

  • @udomatthiasdrums5322
    @udomatthiasdrums5322 4 роки тому +1

    still love it!!

  • @giandujavettorello6184
    @giandujavettorello6184 3 роки тому +1

    1981

  • @JaisonRodrigodaCruz
    @JaisonRodrigodaCruz 9 років тому +5

    Nice!

  • @HiVizCamo
    @HiVizCamo 4 роки тому +1

    It is time isn't it, not crime.
    Time. Travel. Communication. Entertainment.

  • @hifispongebob
    @hifispongebob 9 років тому +2

    Very nice Rui :) That's what I call a perfect AE integration ;) BTW, very good bass :O

    • @MrVinylObsessive
      @MrVinylObsessive  9 років тому +1

      HiFispongebob
      Yes, After Effects. I did it again! ;))
      I think i'm getting addicted in making dynamic titles with AE. It's fun! Lots of work, but fun!
      Yep, not a bad sound from this copy, (MOV) but some tracks do sound better than others. But i suspect the same happened with the original pressings, maybe it was a creative decision, not sure. I have this vinyl for two or three years, and one of my first videos was made with it, and it was Computer Love. :)

    • @hifispongebob
      @hifispongebob 9 років тому

      MrVinylObsessive I wish I could use AE...but I get dynamic link error :( I have to resign myself to the "crappy" Premiere animation...take a look at HiFisquarepant's last video and you'll see what I mean...

    • @MrVinylObsessive
      @MrVinylObsessive  9 років тому

      HiFispongebob
      I am sorry to know about your dynamic link error, it's a very convenient feature.
      I never had that problem, but i've read about it on the net some time ago. It's not an exclusive problem of the AE CC, but also affects previous versions. And not only on Windows, but also on Mac!
      But tell me, does the program work as a standalone software? (without the link with PP)
      If it does,you can always do your stuff in the old way, meaning importing your clip into AE, do your magic, and then rendering the finished clip in an appropriate intermediate format to be accepted by Premiere Pro. Usually, the options available for that format involves some type of lossless video format to avoid losing image quality.
      But this is a very time consuming workflow, and after rendering, the effects are permanently "baked" in the file and you can't go back if wish to do so! It's much more convenient if you just manually import the AE saved file into Premiere Pro, no rendering needed, and the properties of the file (layers and stuff) are kept, but with your dynamic link problem, i'm not sure if this last solution will work for you. :(

    • @hifispongebob
      @hifispongebob 9 років тому

      MrVinylObsessive That was the way I used to do it in the past when I made my channel trailer and the "Altered State" video; I used AE as a standalone program but it was time-consuming...too big of a price for a "magic" that could be made with Premiere, with not that impressive results though. But I'm such a stubborn person (sometimes) that I'm sure that I'll get there! ;D

  • @robertburger8286
    @robertburger8286 3 роки тому +2

    Vinyl superior to digital, better sound. more heart.

  • @stargazer1359
    @stargazer1359 7 років тому +4

    haven't heard this in over 30+ years...

  • @IGOR_BARHUDAROV
    @IGOR_BARHUDAROV Рік тому +2

    При всём минимализме присутствует удивительная мелодичность - в этом их секрет.

  • @lshin80
    @lshin80 9 років тому +5

    I've used rips of this and Man Machine for the break-in of my loudspeakers tweeters. :D

    • @MrVinylObsessive
      @MrVinylObsessive  9 років тому +1

      *****
      Yes, repetitive, never ending rhythms. If you love it, fine!
      But if someone hates this, hearing this type of music for such long period of time, as for the break-in of the tweeters, may drive a sane person to madness! LOL!

    • @lshin80
      @lshin80 9 років тому +2

      MrVinylObsessive Actually I'm not much into electronic music; I've used this because Kraftwerk are one of the few stuff, along with classical, that make tweeters work hard.

  • @manueljuradosanchez3832
    @manueljuradosanchez3832 24 дні тому

    Con 13 aňos ya me fascinaban.

  • @mikeysclips
    @mikeysclips 4 роки тому +10

    Pink Floyd first then Kraftwerk. oops I forgot
    Tangerine Dream

    • @gogoyubari366
      @gogoyubari366 4 роки тому +2

      And Gary Numan

    • @paulmirza2083
      @paulmirza2083 4 роки тому

      Not even close pal! Floyd was way behind these German electronic pioneers. They may have used synths but Kraftwerk was inventing and building their machines. Look up the patents. Need I say more...

  • @oscargarciamiguel6745
    @oscargarciamiguel6745 Рік тому

    Magic music

  • @aarondltd3735
    @aarondltd3735 9 років тому +4

    Missed the last 2 videos but Im sure this one won't be a problem. ;) Recently got a decent copy of Radio-activity which is my first of theirs on vinyl.

  • @andrewwilkes6120
    @andrewwilkes6120 2 роки тому +1

    Found the proper record. No shit remix.. luvv the werk..

  • @jolantamaciejewska7930
    @jolantamaciejewska7930 4 роки тому

    ❤❤❤❤ 4 ever!!!!

  • @peterniessink2990
    @peterniessink2990 4 роки тому

    A nice analogue device playing digital music. RIP Florian .

  • @MXB2001
    @MXB2001 2 роки тому

    And now we live in a computer world. I wonder were they warning us?

  • @hailandplaice
    @hailandplaice 9 років тому +3

    Es ist gut.

  • @thomaswitczak1163
    @thomaswitczak1163 4 роки тому

    Schoner Classic

  • @melomans1
    @melomans1 4 роки тому +1

    🔥🔥🔥💥🔈🔉🔊👍

  • @aravindanr7872
    @aravindanr7872 4 роки тому +1

    Super. which model turn table are u using ?

  • @JULO18
    @JULO18 4 роки тому +1

    YEP 1000000000000000000000000000000

  • @sheldonhchambliss1385
    @sheldonhchambliss1385 7 років тому +2

    Derrick Taylor mine also

  • @csilt
    @csilt 5 років тому +4

    If you haven't experienced this on a high end record player and class AB amp with premium speakers you don't really understand what is possible..

    • @maskmarvin803
      @maskmarvin803 4 роки тому +2

      Now that's really suspific r/gatekeeping

    • @nicomeier8098
      @nicomeier8098 4 роки тому +2

      Snob.

    • @davidwoods1321
      @davidwoods1321 3 роки тому

      even better with a class A amplifier

    • @csilt
      @csilt 3 роки тому

      @@davidwoods1321 Funny, I bought a Class A tube hi fi amp recently and I do like it a lot

  • @anapaulapaula4697
    @anapaulapaula4697 4 роки тому

    Technotronics!🎶🎶🎶🎶🎶🎶🎶❤

  • @ennowulf6055
    @ennowulf6055 Рік тому +1

    🤣7️⃣5️⃣👪5️⃣👪😂💀💀💀👁️🧔👪🧔👿4️⃣😂😅😜😜7️⃣💓🤩5️⃣7️⃣😎😎

  • @axelnajera5439
    @axelnajera5439 3 роки тому

    👌👌❤️❤️💯💯🇩🇪

  • @ennowulf6055
    @ennowulf6055 Рік тому +1

    ☮️🦅🇺🇲🇺🇦🫂💙😇🤠💤🎉☮️🦅🇺🇲🇺🇦🫂💙

  • @viarnay
    @viarnay 6 років тому +3

    the lyrics were premonitory

    • @razvanlp
      @razvanlp 5 років тому +1

      And it hasn't changed since. Unfortunately

  • @Jalerod
    @Jalerod Рік тому

    Hay quienes flipan con cualquier cosa, aunque hoy hay cosas peores.

  • @norbertcristia7134
    @norbertcristia7134 4 роки тому

    What turntable do u use?

  • @user-su3ru9gt8e
    @user-su3ru9gt8e 4 роки тому

    Were wellee

  • @anindividual8886
    @anindividual8886 6 років тому

    Vinyl Porn,you successfully stradle both worlds

  • @ennowulf6055
    @ennowulf6055 11 місяців тому +1

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  • @Helderhugo
    @Helderhugo 9 років тому

    Is it a Portuguese LP Pressing?

    • @MrVinylObsessive
      @MrVinylObsessive  9 років тому +2

      Helderhugo
      Não, foi fabricado pela "Music on Vinyl" (MOV), que é holandesa! :)

  • @kumarmar2
    @kumarmar2 Рік тому

    😄🙂😲

  • @sergiortribas6647
    @sergiortribas6647 4 роки тому

    Kraftwerk, Giordio Moroder and Jean Michel Jarre the best.

  • @FERNAN_GARCIA
    @FERNAN_GARCIA 9 років тому +8

    The remastered edition is very bad...Original press of 1981 is more better than this..

    • @electrokinesis
      @electrokinesis 7 років тому +1

      FÈRNAN GARCÍA I believe that the original master tapes have begun to degrade.

    • @alexeykokh8240
      @alexeykokh8240 7 років тому +1

      Digital version is worse than analogue anyway

  • @betoortiz9856
    @betoortiz9856 3 роки тому +1

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