Im not upset at kobes 3s either he is one of the greatest but i dislike it when people say kobe has more range when in reality he attempted 3x more than Jordan
@ylt34c "you'd root for the guy to have a big game, maybe a 30 or 40 point game and you'd sit there and root for him.But to see this guy do it every night and that's what stood out the most of any player i've ever seen" Phil Jackson
Great interview. Yes, Jordan's inside game was the key! That's why when I watch these games today and it comes down to crunch time, a lot of players (including Kobe) will take 3's to win the game. Jordan was always smart enough to TAKE THE BALL TO THE BASKET. I respect both players to the fullest.
you'd root for the guy to have a big game, maybe a 30 or 40 point game and you'd sit there and root for him.But to see this guy do it every night and that's what stood out the most of any player i've ever seen" Phil Jackson 2009
" with Michael Jordan, you couldnt take your eyes off of him when he played the game, it was just a phenomenon to watch someone with that kinds of ability..be able to do what he did on the court. We've had a lot of players with talent, athletic talent, but they havent been able to do the things that he was able to do. He was perhaps the one most significant person in professional basketball in the world" Phil Jackson 2009
shooting percentages are a testament to the different playing styles. Kobe's a perimeter player, while also having incredible footwork. And MJ was primarily a post up player, thus creating higher percentage shots. No one style is better than the other. No one style deserves more credit. Both make incredibly difficult things look easy in their own right. And both are the most well-rounded basketball players we've ever seen.
@shanecg32 " with Michael Jordan, you couldnt take your eyes off of him when he played the game, it was just a phenomenon to watch someone with that kinds of ability..be able to do what he did on the court. We've had a lot of players with talent, athletic talent, but they havent been able to do the things that he was able to do. He was perhaps the one most significant person in professional basketball in the world" Phil Jackson
@shanecg32 ¨you'd root for the guy to have a big game, maybe a 30 or 40 point game and you'd sit there and root for him.But to see this guy do it every night and that's what stood out the most of any player i've ever seen" Phil Jackson
This is how I break it down. If you ran Kobe and Jordan through 10 drills, Kobe would be graded better overall. If you put them in a game against each other with 4 bots on each team, Jordan would win.
"That there had been even one Michael Jordan seemed in retrospect something of a genetic fluke, and the idea that anyone would arrive in so short a span of time and do what he did both on and off the court seemed highly unlikely." - David Halberstam (Playing for Keeps: Michael Jordan and the World He Made)
You've got to admit guys, Kobe learned MJs turn around fadeaway really well. It was like watching MJ down the post. Even though I don't fancy the Lakers (i do like Pau though) When Kobes doin' his fadeaways Im always like "GOODLUCK GUARDING THAT" AND FYI, Kobe's the best Player in the League today. *In terms of consistency and output.
Although MJ and Kobe have similar dimensions ("6'6" and 215-220 lbs.) Jordan looked to be the stronger one of the 2 (his shoulder + neck area always looked more muscular). He most definitely had the more explosive first step and higher vertical than Kobe also. Jordan also looked to have a slightly higher IQ. Kobe took a ton of bad shots even in his later years and MJ stayed w/in the triangle more than Kobe who had a tendency to go 1-on-1 even when Phil Jackson was coaching. Of course, Kobe had the handles and superior footwork which I suppose he worked on simply bc he wasn't as athletic and strong as Mike.
Kobe Bryant is a great player and will go down as one of the best all time. Michael Jordan is the greatest all time, the biggest reason i THINK is cause everyone said he couldn't and wouldn't win a championship without changing his game. He didn't change it either he just kept winning. Jordan had bad years early, but so did Kobe. Kobe had them early and later.
kobe already mean it that ... michael jordan is the best player that played in the nba ... michael and kobe is just different .. they both love this game so much .. they gave or give the people watching the nba .. a very entertaining game ..
Finally someone says this. Kobe had to work his way up, unlike Michael who quickly became the face of the Bulls when he was drafted. Kobe also came straight out of high school while Michael already had 3 years of NCAA experience and exposure. I'm a Bulls fan but I say that Kobe's role and output to a team is still almost the same as Michael's. If you replace Michael with a prime Kobe in the 90's Bulls, I believe they still would've won those championships.
I don’t think anybody will ever really touch what Michael has done for the game,” he said when asked if Kobe or LeBron James could ever vie for Jordan’s “best-ever” title. “They may be able to break a record he had or maybe win more championships. Michael was 28 when he won his first championship, and LeBron could win one before he reaches that age and have a chance at winning more than six. But Michael’s image as a player will always stand and his greatness will never be superseded.”
“I don’t think anybody will ever really touch what Michael has done for the game,” he said when asked if Kobe or LeBron James could ever vie for Jordan’s “best-ever” title. “They may be able to break a record he had or maybe win more championships. Michael was 28 when he won his first championship, and LeBron could win one before he reaches that age and have a chance at winning more than six. But Michael’s image as a player will always stand and his greatness will never be superseded.”
@ylt34c " with Michael Jordan, you couldnt take your eyes off of him when he played the game, it was just a phenomenon to watch someone with that kinds of ability..be able to do what he did on the court. We've had a lot of players with talent, athletic talent, but they havent been able to do the things that he was able to do. He was perhaps the one most significant person in professional basketball in the world" Phil Jackson
@ClipCoug Those guys plays the 2 and 3 position. Those guys always defends Kobe everytime they face e/c other. Those players has mostly guard skills but can play forward. You'll rarely see those guys I mention play the 4 spot because forward skills are like what Kevin Love, TD, and KG does. You don't see durant, james, or anthony defend the forwards I mentioned 1 on 1
“He doesn’t shoot the same percentage [.455] as Michael [.497]. He has the same characteristics as Michael, but he’s not the same player. It takes nothing away from him - he’s a great player in his own right.” (quote from phil jackson)
“Kobe has patterned himself after Michael, and there are a lot of identical things there, but it’s one thing to hope to be like him, it’s another thing to be like him…"
“I’m with [ESPN's] Bill Simmons on this,” he says. “We have to take Michael Jordan out of the equation. Stop comparing anyone to Michael Jordan. It’s just not fair. He was remarkable. Kobe’s in his own sphere.
@indeliblepurpose Agree with that. But Kobe, on the other side, is now playing in the league of all around-dynamic guards and forwards. Plus, MJ was a perimeter player ever since the '95- onwards season.
NBA first allowed zone defense during the 2001-2002 season which was Jordan's first as a Washington Wizard so he did play 2 seasons against zone defense. He played pretty well considering he was 39-40 years old so imagine what a prime Jordan would've done. On the other hand, Jordan played his prime when the handcheck was legal. It was eliminated in 1994 before Kobe entered the league. Defenses were tougher and way more physical back then.
cont.. The 2008-2009 season was unique in that it was the only season in which more than one player (LeBron James and Dwyane Wade, with Chris Paul just missing the cut with a PER of 29.96) posted efficiency ratings of over 30.0. Rank Player PER 1. Michael Jordan* 27.91 2. LeBron James^ 26.86 3. Shaquille O'Neal^ 26.59 4. David Robinson* 26.18 5. Wilt Chamberlain* 26.13 6. Dwyane Wade^ 25.67 7. Bob Pettit* 25.37 8. Tim Duncan^ 25.02 9. Neil Johnston 10. Charles Barkley
Kobe made history last month: He set the all-time record for most missed FG attempts in NBA history, after missing his 15,296th shot.. what an accomplishment.
We all know how diplomatic Phil is with his answers...he obviously knows and believes Michael is better but would rather not say so in fear of hurting Kobe..
@thehiphopdepot I understand your reasoning behind Kobe's lower shooting percentage. MJ's 3 point shooting is underrated and underappreciated. Tiger Woods recounted a game of around the world he played with MJ at some point...MJ cleared the table and then switch to his left and cleared the table again. Remember that Jordan did set a record for the most 3 pointers made in half of a playoff game (although later broken by...you tell me and you win a cookie)
Comparing who is better is impossible, especially if their primes were at different ages. People compare stats, rings, and records all the time, but the fact is, basketball is a team sport where your teammates and opponents have a way bigger impact on the outcome than the actual individual himself, so it's too hard to argue who is/was better. The only logical way I see in doing so is giving them each the same team different years and see who does better, but then again, that's impossible.
Kobe, I think is more acrobatic, more nimble, and a better 3pt shooter. But Phil settled it with MJ's higher field goal %. Plus, Jordan was a better defensive player. And third, Jordan had more quality competition to contend with. Imagine Kobe dropping 81 points on any team in the 80s or early 90s. Yeah, I can't imagine it either.
@1000playlist dude I know you'll disagree but the last part of the 3peat was more like a BATMAN-SUPERMAN combo. He's gone from sidekick to partner in crime that year IMO.
@ClipCoug Why do you always goes by accomplishments in careers? I'm talking about better, skillwise and talent wise, Jordan was in the NBA in 86 while Bias was in college and people are still saying that Bias is a better player than Mike.
Yes because they played Cooper at foward in his later years with LA. Unseld,Parish,Gilmore come on. Reed is one of the greatest centers and one of the greatest defensive center of all time. Hayes is a HoF also. The only HoFers Jordan faced was Reggie,Dumars,and Clyde. I love Dumars, but he was made by Isiah,and Daly. Laimbeer and Isiah were the leaders of that squad. Reggie was a good shooter/scorer and a clutch player, but I also feel like he is barely scraping HoF Requirement.
Phil Jackson just says Kobe is a better player than MJ, but MJ was Physically and Athletically gifted, which allowed him to succeed more, and really ultimately become the best ever.
@AzNwacko NBA.com states Kobe has 140 double doubles and 16 triple doubles. These totals don't include this season. Kobe has had 4 double doubles, 1 being a triple double making his career double doubles at 144 and total triple doubles at 17.
I mentioned Scottie and Bird because you said only centers had high percentages. I think Kobe's mid range game is as good as Jordan's, but Jordan definitely did have better shot selection. Kobe's got pretty much unlimited range though, so I'm not upset when he tries to take 3's, he just attempts too many.
Kobe takes more outside shots for the simple reason his post game is not as good as other players..Jordan was a monster in the post...Jordan did not need to take long shots in his early years..Now after he got older he added long range and shot the ball well..
@gremke3 It's results (although rings are a team aspect more than an individual aspects). Jordan has more rings and he was the leader for all his rings while the general consensus is that Kobe was the sidekick during 3/5ths of his championship seasons.
Guards aren't that much closer, the only ones who really come to mind are Tony Parker and Chris Paul, though a few Small Forwards (Lebron and KD) shoot a pretty high percentage. If anything, wing players seemed to have higher percentages in the 80's and 90's. MJ, Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, John Stockton, Scottie Pippen, and Clyde Drexler all had seasons where they shot over 50% from the field.
You really can't hate on Kobe today. I don't hate him. I do actually respect his game very much. But we're on an MJ vs Kobe discussion. Some peeps forgot how dominant MJ was. hehe
@pheeel17 I disagree: First, Kobe has always been a "fairly" reasonable person (not saying perfect); secondly, Phil's guidance of the early 2000s Lakers (Shaq's teams) was masterful, with this exception. Phil never tried to heal that "personal" rift between Kobe and Shaq, least not publicly. From day one, he "sided" with Shaq. Always thought Phil was shortsighted, in that regard. Sure, short-term, the Lakers had success; but those deep personal differences, even until this day, still exist.
i love these discussions lol. and ima chime in with this...80's and 90's NBA was totally different than todays. Jordan was molded from those defenses. When the Pistons got tough...when the Celtics got tough...when the Sonics got tough on Jordan..Jordan just had to go harder...todays NBA?...you sneeze on Blake Griffen for example..foul line 25 times a game. I always believed it was about your enviroment. If jordan played today and you cant touch him? There would be no talk on Kobe or Lebron
Kobe is still going to be the leader of this team. Hell maybe still Avg. over 25ppg. Though he needs to realize that he's aging and Retirement is a few years away. I'm not saying he should pass the Torch to Howard right away (We don't even know if Dwight will Stay). I just think he needs to focus more on SOLELY winning, rather then how well he as an individual plays. He's doesn't have to go for Scoring Titles anymore, all he needs to do now is focus on winning and getting that 6th ring.
@oneindachamber this would be a fair assessment....I'm a Kobe fan to the core, but I saw Jordan play during his entire career, I had all of Jordan's Wheaties posters taped to my wall for inspiration...lollll...from the sheer magnitude of his game and how he has influenced 2 generations of ball players, Jordan remains the greatest ever, but when you talk about skill set, Kobe has it, and he has 5 rings, best player of the past decade, and for me, one of the top 5 greatest players ever to play
@LiLSiCk916 Gary Peyton, Sindney Mocrief, Joe Dumars, Michael Cooper. Maurice Cheeks were all elite defenders in Jordan's day, many Jordan faced in the playoffs/Finals.
@18kaipanw I agree with most of what you said but Kobe has great athleticism and endurance dude..He´s one of the few players in the league that plays all 82 games year in and year out and any player you ask will tell you he has the best work ethic in the league (just like Jordan in his prime)... You cant possibly expect him to be flying around like hes 25 after 15 years on his belt..
Kobe didn't stop nothing. In fact, he should have more rings with all the chances he's had. Shaq on the other hand was the most productive player for every playoff and championship resulting in a rings. Same with Jordan. Jordan was the most productive player every year he played with the Bulls. Kobe can't say that. In fact, Pau Gasol had more win shares than Kobe his last finals MVP. By tradition, Pau Gasol should have had that last finals MVP.
MJ has a higher ppg, apg, rpg, bpg, spg, field goal %, clutch %, 6 finals MVPs, 5 MVPs, defensive player of the year award, rookie of the year award, more scoring titles, steals titles, gold medals, slam dunk titles and not to mention he did it in the toughest era of all-time. Soooooooo YEA
@FunkThaWorld and Pippen will tell you that Jordan helped made him the HOF basketball player that he was. Jordan didn't steal the light from him, he helped shared the light with him.
@indeliblepurpose also, one thing people almost never take into consideration is that kobe never had to play against the league's established #1 best player in a finals series. Michael, in his FIRST finals appearance, led his Bulls (4th year Scottie and Grant, no Rodman) to a 4-1 routing of the 5 time champion Magic Johnson-led Laker squad. Michael allowed only one win to the league's #1 player at the time. When has Kobe ever played against any singular talent as great as Magic in a finals?
kobes competition has been rough too. late jordan, ray allen, iverson, wade, lebron, nowitzki, melo, stoudemire, shaq, dwight, rose, durant and westbrook, pierce, rondo, garnett, paul, williams, nash, roy, and the list goes on and on but if the two were ever in a car together, jordan would be driving with kobe in shotgun
@ylt34c and finally, Mike himself: MJ also says due to defensive rule changes like hand checking, if he played in today's NBA, dropping triple digits would be reachable for him. “It's less physical and the rules have changed, obviously." says Jordan. “Based on these rules, if I had to play with my style of play, I'm pretty sure I would have fouled out or I would have been at the free throw line pretty often and I could have scored 100 points.”
I've always kept a close eye of Jordan and Kobe.. and both players had the same style of play (cept the facts that Phil mentioned of course).. but Jordan is a far more efficient scorer than Kobe.. and he demanded more attention when defending him.. even though defense was lot tougher and more physical back in the day, teams would still constantly double/triple/quadruple team MJ.. Jordan is an offensive Juggernaut..
Tell that to Phil Jackson. He said Kobe was more skilled than MJ. But MJ is a better player, because he was Physically Gifted. Which that allowed him to excel.
2 things with the shooting percentages tho. At least to take into account Both players did more of their scoring from 2pt. If you look at their 2pt % stats in each primes. Kobe matches up against chi level MJ. From 00-13 (outside of 03, 04, 05 & 12) always shooting 48.3-50.8% Kobe shot the 3 a bit more than MJ. So the best way to get a grasp of how effective Kobe was is EFG Using that metric Kobe’s prime 00-13 was always on a chi MJ level (47.3%-50%) outside of 04 & 12. I think MJ is better but Kobe had plenty of say ‘98 MJ level years in his 13 year prime in L.A.
@miked0424, Artest averaged double-digit scoring, while being a lockdown defender at times during the Lakers last couple rings. None of the Bulls players you mentioned were double-digit scorers in the playoffs and none of them none of them are near the defender that Artest was. Phil said Artest was the MVP of game 7 of the 2010 Finals. Fisher and Horry had as many clutch moments/quarters for the Lakers as Paxson and Kerr did for the Bulls.
@nyelement007 wow....jordan averages 34 ppg vs reggie lewis....and shoots %53 something vs reggie lewis....did i mention that kobes career high in a series is 35 ppg??
MJ's era BY FAR set the ratings record for NBA viewership. MJ took the league to heights Bird and Magic could only dream about. MJ was a global phenomenon, his shoes, clothes, cologne...MJ was voted as the most marketable athlete of all time, FACT. MJ at 50 still makes commercials, TO THIS DAY. Be serious old head....
Efficiency: Only 15 times has a player posted a season efficiency rating over 30.0. All of them are between 30.23 and 31.84. Michael Jordan leads with four 30+ seasons, with Shaquille O'Neal and Wilt Chamberlain having accomplished three each, LeBron James having accomplished it twice, and David Robinson, Dwyane Wade and Tracy McGrady having accomplished one each.
@xxBRossxx : i think the decade is only from 99-00 to 08 -09 season so the ring that LA got in 2010 doesn't count as part of the decade it counts for this next decade coming up (so in this decade only lakers & mavs have rings because this decade barely started) but last decade kobe only got one ring, shaq 3 & duncan 4 (even though parker got finals mvp that was duncan's team so he has 4...shaq & duncan have 3 finals mvp while kobe only got 1..shaq & kobe got 1 league mvp while duncan got 2.
IMO people portray MJ as the best of all time because he brought basketball back to life.....if STATS and stats only are the case Wilt Chamberlain would be BY FAR the best player to ever play.
Nine straight over 40 and four straight over 50 god damn
I make prank calls to radio programs. Play them on my page! Kobe is a guard stop
I remember when kobe did that, im from Chicago watched every jordan game, but i think Kobe was a lil better. Just my opinion
And the 9-game streak only ended b/c Phil told him to stop scoring (so that they wouldn't "lose" Shaq, who was returning from injury)
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Im not upset at kobes 3s either he is one of the greatest but i dislike it when people say kobe has more range when in reality he attempted 3x more than Jordan
Thats only what you think, but in reality they're not..
Kobe had Jordan vids to watch to learn all Jordan's skills and tricks he used in his later career. Jordan is the innovator and the best
@ylt34c "you'd root for the guy to have a big game, maybe a 30 or 40 point game
and you'd sit there and root for him.But to see this guy do it every
night and that's what stood out the most of any player i've ever seen"
Phil Jackson
Great interview. Yes, Jordan's inside game was the key! That's why when I watch these games today and it comes down to crunch time, a lot of players (including Kobe) will take 3's to win the game. Jordan was always smart enough to TAKE THE BALL TO THE BASKET. I respect both players to the fullest.
consistency says hi
Kobes the best today you can't argue with that. He's in my TOP 15 all time.
you'd root for the guy to have a big game, maybe a 30 or 40 point game
and you'd sit there and root for him.But to see this guy do it every
night and that's what stood out the most of any player i've ever seen"
Phil Jackson 2009
" with Michael Jordan, you couldnt take your eyes off of him when he played the game, it was just a phenomenon to watch someone with that kinds of ability..be able to do what he did on the court.
We've had a lot of players with talent, athletic talent, but they havent been able to do the things that he was able to do. He was perhaps the one most significant person
in professional basketball in the world"
Phil Jackson 2009
shooting percentages are a testament to the different playing styles. Kobe's a perimeter player, while also having incredible footwork.
And MJ was primarily a post up player, thus creating higher percentage shots.
No one style is better than the other.
No one style deserves more credit.
Both make incredibly difficult things look easy in their own right.
And both are the most well-rounded basketball players we've ever seen.
@shanecg32 " with Michael Jordan, you couldnt take your eyes off of him when he played the game, it was just a phenomenon to watch someone with that kinds of ability..be able to do what he did on the court.
We've had a lot of players with talent, athletic talent, but they havent been able to do the things that he was able to do. He was perhaps the one most significant person
in professional basketball in the world" Phil Jackson
this argument is endless. mj and kobe are the two best players of all time. lets leave it at that
@shanecg32 ¨you'd root for the guy to have a big game, maybe a 30 or 40 point game
and you'd sit there and root for him.But to see this guy do it every
night and that's what stood out the most of any player i've ever seen"
Phil Jackson
@ClipCoug what 10? they are 6 in the opp. points per game and they were number 1 or 3 before back in early december when they had a complete line up.
This is how I break it down. If you ran Kobe and Jordan through 10 drills, Kobe would be graded better overall. If you put them in a game against each other with 4 bots on each team, Jordan would win.
@92plana I know, but you said in your quote that "Jordan didn't win his first championship until "they" (referring to PIppen and Rodman) came.
"That there had been even one Michael Jordan seemed in retrospect something of a genetic fluke, and the idea that anyone would arrive in so short a span of time and do what he did both on and off the court seemed highly unlikely."
- David Halberstam (Playing for Keeps: Michael Jordan and the World He Made)
The interviewer was trying to get Phil to praise kobe over MJ and Phil kept going on and on about how great MJ was.....Classic!!!!!
and geez, 2 kids calling each other out on youtube, made my day.
Can people stop comparing the two and just enjoy the greatness of Kobe and remember the greatness of MJ. Who cares who's better i'm a fan of both.
@lixmxil93 and wen did kobe take over a series?
Actually had a Jordan vs Zone Defense video on here but it was removed due to copywrite.
@tiger1649 why didnt the spurs earn the championship? they still played the same number of playoff games
You've got to admit guys, Kobe learned MJs turn around fadeaway really well. It was like watching MJ down the post. Even though I don't fancy the Lakers (i do like Pau though) When Kobes doin' his fadeaways Im always like "GOODLUCK GUARDING THAT"
AND FYI, Kobe's the best Player in the League today. *In terms of consistency and output.
Although MJ and Kobe have similar dimensions ("6'6" and 215-220 lbs.) Jordan looked to be the stronger one of the 2 (his shoulder + neck area always looked more muscular). He most definitely had the more explosive first step and higher vertical than Kobe also.
Jordan also looked to have a slightly higher IQ. Kobe took a ton of bad shots even in his later years and MJ stayed w/in the triangle more than Kobe who had a tendency to go 1-on-1 even when Phil Jackson was coaching.
Of course, Kobe had the handles and superior footwork which I suppose he worked on simply bc he wasn't as athletic and strong as Mike.
@jwilson770 yea, by the end of the interview, you're kind of like "uh wait, so who are u saying is better?"
Kobe Bryant is a great player and will go down as one of the best all time. Michael Jordan is the greatest all time, the biggest reason i THINK is cause everyone said he couldn't and wouldn't win a championship without changing his game. He didn't change it either he just kept winning. Jordan had bad years early, but so did Kobe. Kobe had them early and later.
Phil Jackson's Opinion should mean a lot because he did win them multiple championships and did Coach them. So he would know.
kobe already mean it that ...
michael jordan is the best player that played in the nba ...
michael and kobe is just different ..
they both love this game so much ..
they gave or give the people watching the nba ..
a very entertaining game ..
Finally someone says this. Kobe had to work his way up, unlike Michael who quickly became the face of the Bulls when he was drafted. Kobe also came straight out of high school while Michael already had 3 years of NCAA experience and exposure.
I'm a Bulls fan but I say that Kobe's role and output to a team is still almost the same as Michael's. If you replace Michael with a prime Kobe in the 90's Bulls, I believe they still would've won those championships.
jsmaster, let's just say that in August 2009 Phil said that "MJ's image as a player will always stand and his greatness will never be superceded"
late 80s and early 90s were the toughest era of all-time
Jordan, Kobe and Phil Jackson are GOATs
I don’t think anybody will ever really touch what Michael has done for the game,” he said when asked if Kobe or LeBron James could ever vie for Jordan’s “best-ever” title. “They may be able to break a record he had or maybe win more championships. Michael was 28 when he won his first championship, and LeBron could win one before he reaches that age and have a chance at winning more than six. But Michael’s image as a player will always stand and his greatness will never be superseded.”
“I don’t think anybody will ever really touch what Michael has done for the game,” he said when asked if Kobe or LeBron James could ever vie for Jordan’s “best-ever” title. “They may be able to break a record he had or maybe win more championships. Michael was 28 when he won his first championship, and LeBron could win one before he reaches that age and have a chance at winning more than six. But Michael’s image as a player will always stand and his greatness will never be superseded.”
@ylt34c " with Michael Jordan, you couldnt take your eyes off of him when he played the game, it was just a phenomenon to watch someone with that kinds of ability..be able to do what he did on the court.
We've had a lot of players with talent, athletic talent, but they havent been able to do the things that he was able to do. He was perhaps the one most significant person
in professional basketball in the world" Phil Jackson
@1PedroAmor : ok so who's better kobe or lebron?
@ClipCoug Those guys plays the 2 and 3 position. Those guys always defends Kobe everytime they face e/c other. Those players has mostly guard skills but can play forward. You'll rarely see those guys I mention play the 4 spot because forward skills are like what Kevin Love, TD, and KG does. You don't see durant, james, or anthony defend the forwards I mentioned 1 on 1
“He doesn’t shoot the same percentage [.455] as Michael [.497]. He has the same characteristics as Michael, but he’s not the same player. It takes nothing away from him - he’s a great player in his own right.”
(quote from phil jackson)
“Kobe has patterned himself after Michael, and there are a lot of identical things there, but it’s one thing to hope to be like him, it’s another thing to be like him…"
He said that around March....2 YEARS AGO, and before he even won his first MVP.
he summed it up with field goal percentage there
We'll never get a true, straight answer from Phil until he's completely done coaching.
“I’m with [ESPN's] Bill Simmons on this,” he says. “We have to take Michael Jordan out of the equation. Stop comparing anyone to Michael Jordan. It’s just not fair. He was remarkable. Kobe’s in his own sphere.
@indeliblepurpose Agree with that. But Kobe, on the other side, is now playing in the league of all around-dynamic guards and forwards. Plus, MJ was a perimeter player ever since the '95- onwards season.
NBA first allowed zone defense during the 2001-2002 season which was Jordan's first as a Washington Wizard so he did play 2 seasons against zone defense. He played pretty well considering he was 39-40 years old so imagine what a prime Jordan would've done.
On the other hand, Jordan played his prime when the handcheck was legal. It was eliminated in 1994 before Kobe entered the league. Defenses were tougher and way more physical back then.
cont..
The 2008-2009 season was unique in that it was the only season in which more than one player (LeBron James and Dwyane Wade, with Chris Paul just missing the cut with a PER of 29.96) posted efficiency ratings of over 30.0.
Rank Player PER
1. Michael Jordan* 27.91
2. LeBron James^ 26.86
3. Shaquille O'Neal^ 26.59
4. David Robinson* 26.18
5. Wilt Chamberlain* 26.13
6. Dwyane Wade^ 25.67
7. Bob Pettit* 25.37
8. Tim Duncan^ 25.02
9. Neil Johnston
10. Charles Barkley
Kobe made history last month: He set the all-time record for most missed FG attempts in NBA history, after missing his 15,296th shot.. what an accomplishment.
We all know how diplomatic Phil is with his answers...he obviously knows and believes Michael is better but would rather not say so in fear of hurting Kobe..
Micheal and lebron vs kobe and shaq who would win?
@ylt34c : so if kobe is "king" when it comes to basketball skills, why aren't those skills showing on the court & producing results?
@thehiphopdepot I understand your reasoning behind Kobe's lower shooting percentage. MJ's 3 point shooting is underrated and underappreciated. Tiger Woods recounted a game of around the world he played with MJ at some point...MJ cleared the table and then switch to his left and cleared the table again. Remember that Jordan did set a record for the most 3 pointers made in half of a playoff game (although later broken by...you tell me and you win a cookie)
Comparing who is better is impossible, especially if their primes were at different ages. People compare stats, rings, and records all the time, but the fact is, basketball is a team sport where your teammates and opponents have a way bigger impact on the outcome than the actual individual himself, so it's too hard to argue who is/was better. The only logical way I see in doing so is giving them each the same team different years and see who does better, but then again, that's impossible.
whats the SUPER DUPA PERFECT metric kobe stans would suggest?
Kobe, I think is more acrobatic, more nimble, and a better 3pt shooter. But Phil settled it with MJ's higher field goal %. Plus, Jordan was a better defensive player. And third, Jordan had more quality competition to contend with. Imagine Kobe dropping 81 points on any team in the 80s or early 90s. Yeah, I can't imagine it either.
im a big jordan fan btw, but i reckon both players are good in their own ways .. i mean thats why they are being compared in the first place right?
@1000playlist
dude I know you'll disagree but the last part of the 3peat was more like a BATMAN-SUPERMAN combo. He's gone from sidekick to partner in crime that year IMO.
@ClipCoug Why do you always goes by accomplishments in careers? I'm talking about better, skillwise and talent wise, Jordan was in the NBA in 86 while Bias was in college and people are still saying that Bias is a better player than Mike.
@AdreasTheGreat .
dam.... you from greece,
Yes because they played Cooper at foward in his later years with LA. Unseld,Parish,Gilmore come on. Reed is one of the greatest centers and one of the greatest defensive center of all time. Hayes is a HoF also. The only HoFers Jordan faced was Reggie,Dumars,and Clyde. I love Dumars, but he was made by Isiah,and Daly. Laimbeer and Isiah were the leaders of that squad. Reggie was a good shooter/scorer and a clutch player, but I also feel like he is barely scraping HoF Requirement.
Phil Jackson just says Kobe is a better player than MJ, but MJ was Physically and Athletically gifted, which allowed him to succeed more, and really ultimately become the best ever.
@batistaru : so who's better? cuz saying " kobe -5 rings lebron -0" doesn't prove anything.
@AzNwacko NBA.com states Kobe has 140 double doubles and 16 triple doubles. These totals don't include this season. Kobe has had 4 double doubles, 1 being a triple double making his career double doubles at 144 and total triple doubles at 17.
I mentioned Scottie and Bird because you said only centers had high percentages. I think Kobe's mid range game is as good as Jordan's, but Jordan definitely did have better shot selection. Kobe's got pretty much unlimited range though, so I'm not upset when he tries to take 3's, he just attempts too many.
@ClipCoug 5 NBA championships isn't results?
@shanecg32 refer to the quotes i posted they are more recent. especially the last one is only about 2 months ago. This vid is about 3 years old
Kobe takes more outside shots for the simple reason his post game is not as good as other players..Jordan was a monster in the post...Jordan did not need to take long shots in his early years..Now after he got older he added long range and shot the ball well..
Jordan has six Finals MVPs. Kobe has two.
@gremke3 It's results (although rings are a team aspect more than an individual aspects). Jordan has more rings and he was the leader for all his rings while the general consensus is that Kobe was the sidekick during 3/5ths of his championship seasons.
If you put a line on the ground and say to both Jordan and Kobe, "No one ever jumped over this line." They will both respond, "I can."
Guards aren't that much closer, the only ones who really come to mind are Tony Parker and Chris Paul, though a few Small Forwards (Lebron and KD) shoot a pretty high percentage. If anything, wing players seemed to have higher percentages in the 80's and 90's. MJ, Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, John Stockton, Scottie Pippen, and Clyde Drexler all had seasons where they shot over 50% from the field.
Jordan is still the best...in leadership, in TEAM player and a hero.. he controls the game and D' original airtime and a game winner moves.
You really can't hate on Kobe today.
I don't hate him. I do actually respect his game very much. But we're on an MJ vs Kobe discussion. Some peeps forgot how dominant MJ was. hehe
@pheeel17 I disagree: First, Kobe has always been a "fairly" reasonable person (not saying perfect); secondly, Phil's guidance of the early 2000s Lakers (Shaq's teams) was masterful, with this exception. Phil never tried to heal that "personal" rift between Kobe and Shaq, least not publicly. From day one, he "sided" with Shaq. Always thought Phil was shortsighted, in that regard. Sure, short-term, the Lakers had success; but those deep personal differences, even until this day, still exist.
i love these discussions lol. and ima chime in with this...80's and 90's NBA was totally different than todays. Jordan was molded from those defenses. When the Pistons got tough...when the Celtics got tough...when the Sonics got tough on Jordan..Jordan just had to go harder...todays NBA?...you sneeze on Blake Griffen for example..foul line 25 times a game. I always believed it was about your enviroment. If jordan played today and you cant touch him? There would be no talk on Kobe or Lebron
Kobe is still going to be the leader of this team. Hell maybe still Avg. over 25ppg. Though he needs to realize that he's aging and Retirement is a few years away. I'm not saying he should pass the Torch to Howard right away (We don't even know if Dwight will Stay). I just think he needs to focus more on SOLELY winning, rather then how well he as an individual plays. He's doesn't have to go for Scoring Titles anymore, all he needs to do now is focus on winning and getting that 6th ring.
@oneindachamber this would be a fair assessment....I'm a Kobe fan to the core, but I saw Jordan play during his entire career, I had all of Jordan's Wheaties posters taped to my wall for inspiration...lollll...from the sheer magnitude of his game and how he has influenced 2 generations of ball players, Jordan remains the greatest ever, but when you talk about skill set, Kobe has it, and he has 5 rings, best player of the past decade, and for me, one of the top 5 greatest players ever to play
@LiLSiCk916 Gary Peyton, Sindney Mocrief, Joe Dumars, Michael Cooper. Maurice Cheeks were all elite defenders in Jordan's day, many Jordan faced in the playoffs/Finals.
@18kaipanw I agree with most of what you said but Kobe has great athleticism and endurance dude..He´s one of the few players in the league that plays all 82 games year in and year out and any player you ask will tell you he has the best work ethic in the league (just like Jordan in his prime)... You cant possibly expect him to be flying around like hes 25 after 15 years on his belt..
Kobe didn't stop nothing. In fact, he should have more rings with all the chances he's had. Shaq on the other hand was the most productive player for every playoff and championship resulting in a rings. Same with Jordan. Jordan was the most productive player every year he played with the Bulls. Kobe can't say that. In fact, Pau Gasol had more win shares than Kobe his last finals MVP. By tradition, Pau Gasol should have had that last finals MVP.
MJ has a higher ppg, apg, rpg, bpg, spg, field goal %, clutch %, 6 finals MVPs, 5 MVPs, defensive player of the year award, rookie of the year award, more scoring titles, steals titles, gold medals, slam dunk titles and not to mention he did it in the toughest era of all-time. Soooooooo YEA
true, jordan has a lot of accomplishment, but greatness does not equal accomplishment.
But who would you rather have on your team. the better player of the player who could've been better.
@stlouie16 what is?
@FunkThaWorld and Pippen will tell you that Jordan helped made him the HOF basketball player that he was. Jordan didn't steal the light from him, he helped shared the light with him.
@indeliblepurpose also, one thing people almost never take into consideration is that kobe never had to play against the league's established #1 best player in a finals series. Michael, in his FIRST finals appearance, led his Bulls (4th year Scottie and Grant, no Rodman) to a 4-1 routing of the 5 time champion Magic Johnson-led Laker squad. Michael allowed only one win to the league's #1 player at the time. When has Kobe ever played against any singular talent as great as Magic in a finals?
kobes competition has been rough too.
late jordan, ray allen, iverson, wade, lebron, nowitzki, melo, stoudemire, shaq, dwight, rose, durant and westbrook, pierce, rondo, garnett, paul, williams, nash, roy, and the list goes on and on
but if the two were ever in a car together, jordan would be driving with kobe in shotgun
@ylt34c and finally, Mike himself:
MJ also says due to defensive rule changes like hand checking, if he played in today's NBA, dropping triple digits would be reachable for him. “It's less physical and the rules have changed, obviously." says Jordan. “Based on these rules, if I had to play with my style of play, I'm pretty sure I would have fouled out or I would have been at the free throw line pretty often and I could have scored 100 points.”
I've always kept a close eye of Jordan and Kobe.. and both players had the same style of play (cept the facts that Phil mentioned of course).. but Jordan is a far more efficient scorer than Kobe.. and he demanded more attention when defending him.. even though defense was lot tougher and more physical back in the day, teams would still constantly double/triple/quadruple team MJ.. Jordan is an offensive Juggernaut..
Tell that to Phil Jackson. He said Kobe was more skilled than MJ. But MJ is a better player, because he was Physically Gifted. Which that allowed him to excel.
2 things with the shooting percentages tho. At least to take into account
Both players did more of their scoring from 2pt. If you look at their 2pt % stats in each primes. Kobe matches up against chi level MJ. From 00-13 (outside of 03, 04, 05 & 12) always shooting 48.3-50.8%
Kobe shot the 3 a bit more than MJ. So the best way to get a grasp of how effective Kobe was is EFG
Using that metric Kobe’s prime 00-13 was always on a chi MJ level (47.3%-50%) outside of 04 & 12.
I think MJ is better but Kobe had plenty of say ‘98 MJ level years in his 13 year prime in L.A.
@miked0424, Artest averaged double-digit scoring, while being a lockdown defender at times during the Lakers last couple rings. None of the Bulls players you mentioned were double-digit scorers in the playoffs and none of them none of them are near the defender that Artest was. Phil said Artest was the MVP of game 7 of the 2010 Finals.
Fisher and Horry had as many clutch moments/quarters for the Lakers as Paxson and Kerr did for the Bulls.
@nyelement007
wow....jordan averages 34 ppg vs reggie lewis....and shoots %53 something vs reggie lewis....did i mention that kobes career high in a series is 35 ppg??
The fact that Shaq > Pippen when they were with Kobe and Jordan respectively (same deal with Gasol > Rodman). Comparing role players is pretty equal
@djJohnL #10 in Defensive Ratings according to the Basketball-Reference website, #6 in Opponents PPG like you said.
MJ's era BY FAR set the ratings record for NBA viewership. MJ took the league to heights Bird and Magic could only dream about. MJ was a global phenomenon, his shoes, clothes, cologne...MJ was voted as the most marketable athlete of all time, FACT. MJ at 50 still makes commercials, TO THIS DAY. Be serious old head....
Efficiency:
Only 15 times has a player posted a season efficiency rating over 30.0. All of them are between 30.23 and 31.84. Michael Jordan leads with four 30+ seasons, with Shaquille O'Neal and Wilt Chamberlain having accomplished three each, LeBron James having accomplished it twice, and David Robinson, Dwyane Wade and Tracy McGrady having accomplished one each.
@nyelement007 .
man i think 92,93,94 knicks team when they're play you just only a 5 years old kid live in the city. im from ny too.
@xxBRossxx : i think the decade is only from 99-00 to 08 -09 season so the ring that LA got in 2010 doesn't count as part of the decade it counts for this next decade coming up (so in this decade only lakers & mavs have rings because this decade barely started) but last decade kobe only got one ring, shaq 3 & duncan 4 (even though parker got finals mvp that was duncan's team so he has 4...shaq & duncan have 3 finals mvp while kobe only got 1..shaq & kobe got 1 league mvp while duncan got 2.
IMO people portray MJ as the best of all time because he brought basketball back to life.....if STATS and stats only are the case Wilt Chamberlain would be BY FAR the best player to ever play.
3rd year (and the first year Kobe was a starter) was reduced to 50 games because of the strike.