Nailed it right on the head. Jordan's take might be fake humility, but at least he isn't bragging. Kyrie won that series for Flopron with that shot. If not for that, no Cavs championship, yet he takes credit as GOAT after someone else saved the game for him. He seems to forget that he didn't make the shot. I think MJ was sincere when he did that interview, but since then I think he knows he is the GOAT. And Shaq calling Wilt the most dominant is in that same realm. Shaq KNOWS he was the most dominant, but won't call himself that.
@@pelnarius2446 you bring up great points. It would have been a titanic clash to see Wilt vs Shaq in their primes---Wilt was an off the charts athlete and said to have been the strongest ever to play the game. Shaq was a freak of nature, for a man that size to move like he could. And I agree--I think Jordan was being sincere and recognizes the game has changed enough that comparisons are moot. One thing that is seldom mentioned is LeBron, with his 2" and 60 lb advantage over Jordan also has enjoyed an era where he cannot be touched going to the basket, whereas a smaller Jordan could get hard foul after hard foul without the player being ejected, yet not only missed far fewer games than LeBron by year but still scored more points if you take equal numbers of years (15) as well as played defense better AND won the dunk contest twice. Sorry, no comparison.
@@tombanaski3251 They also don't mention the amount of money Floppy James spends on conditioning. Jordan did what he did while drinking scotch, smoking cigars, gambling all night, then kicking everyone's ass the next day. He also retired three times, came back twice, and still dominated.
Can we also point out that MJ took 2 years off to try out for baseball after the first three championships, then came back after not playing ball to win three more in a row. I was one of the lucky ones to be alive in MJ's era got to watch him play on tv and once in person. Also another little fact about MJ. No matter what team was playing at home if MJ was going to be there it was a packed house because even fans of other teams wanted to witness MJ live. It was something to see.
Michael did it because of his generously God-given ability to fly... and Kobe did it because he poured his heart and time into it... Mamba is an amazing example of "practice will make you do it"... his whole life revolved around basketball
I know that it's unintentional, but you're disrespecting MJ's work ethic to prepare himself to be able to do what he did at the level he did for as long as he did. There are so many stories about MJ golfing, gambling, smoking cigars, drinking, whatever - but they rarely mention the hours upon hours he actually did spend in the gym. For example, he has a full court built while filming a movie so he could put work in regardless of the setting. A LOT of players could"fly," but it takes much more than that to win against the very best and come out voted The Very Best (6MVPs in 6 Finals).
Wrong! MJ had the most insane work ethic of any player, and his comparators, coaches, and others will tell you that in a heartbeat. Michael wasn’t the most athletically gifted, and he wasn’t the most naturally talented. He was the most driven! Kobe wasn’t the most gifted and was also driven. LeBron was just…gifted. He’s lazy to me. I don’t admire him on the court at all. His footwork is sloppy. His movements aren’t smooth…sometimes even choppy. He has one of the ugliest jumpers I’ve ever seen. He lacks toughness. He lacks confidence. He lacks the feature to shut down his main competitors h2h. He seems like a nice guy, has a beautiful family, appears to be a great father, and dies nice things in the community. He was very good in “Train Wreck,” so he even has some comedic acting talent. As a baller? He’s much lower for me. I wouldn’t even have him on my top-20.
Kobe isn’t even a top 20 shooting guard statistically in fg%, apg, rpg, bpg, spg Most players that played with all 3 for very long played with an 18-20 year old Lebron and he still schooled them
GP, summarized it the sentiment perfectly. What separates MJ and Kobe the most from lebron is that their mentality. MJ and Kobe don’t even know the meaning of tired in the heat of a game.
Agreed. The think about MJ to is that he loved the challenge and took everything personally, which drove him to be the greatest. Not just that, but the athleticism and speed he has is crazy
Let's stop this mentality shit LOL What separates MJ and Kobe from Lebron is their SKILL. They are literally the 2 best basketball players to ever walk to Earth. MJ and Kobe have the 2 best mid range games and footwork of all time. Kobe on the other hand had a pure shot from 3 and crazy handles. I don't understand how Kobe can be better than Lebron in every aspect of basketball except passing yet ppl still think LeBron is better. Ngl Kobe got some weird hate from the NBA. Only 1 MVP when he should have had 3 or 4, and then David Stern personally vetoing the cp3 trade when they allowed Miami big 3 the year before. My list is Jordan, Kobe, Wilt, Lebron in that order. I can confidently say MJ and Kobe won't lose a 1v1 to anyone under 7ft. Then you got Lebron out there getting clapped by Michael Beasley in 1v1's.
Kobe wasnt gifted with Lebron's physical feature and natural talents. All Kobe had was the killer instinct and drive to always try and beat you. And from that drive he worked on his game to become the 2nd greatest. Even if Lebron gets a 5th ring he will not win over Kobe. He just doesnt have that killer instinct that MJ and Kobe had. Also he bounced around teams. I think that fact will always linger in people's minds when comparing Kobe and Lebron. A die hard laker til the very end or a ring chaser always having teams built around you the second you sign the dotted line.
@@tien5tri Couldn't agree with you more. I just wanted to point out that it's more than Kobe's mentality that separated him from everyone else. He's 10x more skilled than Lebron and even Jordan. Lebron and Jordan are probably the most athletic players ever. Jordan had the skill to go along with it that's why he's the goat. And yea Kobe stuck through 3 years of a g league roster when Shaq left. And he could have ring chased after his achilles injury but stayed. The Iverson clip stands out the most to me...did people really just forget the shit Kobe did? Hands down the 2nd greatest and easily the best scorer ever (along with Wilt).
@@GJG_3 but mentality's a huge part of it. That's what kept Kobe and MJ from doing silly shit like flopping, team hopping, etc. Also, it's that mentality that never allowed them to get outplayed by a role player for a finals series. Lastly, at no point did Kobe or Mj have to be pushed to a "legacy on the line" game before they showed the heart to lead their teams to a championship.
Mj doesnt do floppin its the killer mentality that makes him the GOAT! Its not only the stats its his character towards the game far from Lebron who claim himself as the greatest pfft.. MJ is just a clutch player cannot be bothered by anyone when he is playing! 6-0 is just a master piece.
@@zipo1039 what happened against Bird in the playoffs? MJ swept twice and is 0-6 against Bird. I realize that it is a team sport but if you are going to give all the credit for his 6-0 finals then he should get the blame for the 0-6 against Bird.
I knew it's always gonna be MJ top #1 but I'm happier knowing Shaq, Charles, and Allen and many others rank Kobe over Lebron. Rest in Peace Kobe! Mamba forever!
Put LeBron in a time machine and let him play a game against the Bulls, The Pistons, The Jazz, The Lakers... HE wouldn't win a 7 game series against any of them. Even with a cherry picked dream team. He'll he was part of a USA basketball team that DIDNT win gold lol.
And just the fact that Jordan had his insane scoring averages in that era... I can't even guess how many pts a game he'd have in today's league!! No defense, games have higher scoring totals these days. Jordan might put up 50 a game haha
I love that Michael Jordan doesn't say he's the goat, which makes him more than the goat, everyone on this planet knows he's the greatest ever, even LeBron.
That's what kind of disqualifies LBJ from the goat conversation for me. MJ and Kobe were both beasts and they were exciting to watch every night. LBJ is cold and calculating, often making cheap moves and allways concerned about his overall greatness more than the game he is playing.
One thing i know for certainty is if Jordan or Kobe had the opportunity to play the others in their prime, they would embrace it. LeBum would sweat bullets.
@@raionheart1563you think Kobe fans listen to logic? Lmao They talk about rings but then cry when Kobe is compared to Bill Russell about how rings don't make someone the GOAT
Bro Kobe avg 8 points a game he's trash and he literally had a top 10 teammate of all time to carry him to 3 rings don't forget that the 2002 wcsf and 2000 wcf finals were rigged
I’ll never forget watching Jordan for the first time. I was all about Magic Johnson. Then my best friend said the bulls game is coming on watch what Michael Jordan can do. I sat down like man forget Michael Jordan who the heck is Michael Jordan. Let me watch this game and see if he everything you say he is. Man that guy put on a show!! Dunks reverse Layups you name it. He was like a video game character. His moves were like next level. Good NBA players looked silly trying to hold him. That one game made me a believer. So yeah Mike will always be the greatest!
I remember watching MJ in 85 and he was unbelievable, and I was a Boston’s fan. I said right then that this guy is the best Basketball player I’ve ever seen and he was quick. I never seen Kobe or LeBron with the speed a young Jordon had. He put on a show for sure. He was great. Nobody ever watched Jordon in the 80’s must
Don't Forget....First Defensive Team Last Time 97-98 With 35 Years Old. 9 Times in 13 Years With The Bulls. 10 Scoring Champion in 13 Years. M.J Played 82 Games 9 Times Of 13 Defensive Player Of The Year, Leader In Steals, And Scoring Champion With 35+ Points Per Game....That's Spending Energy.....Also in 1988-89 M.J.Play Like 23 Or So Games at Point Guard.... Because Regular Point Guard John Paxson Injury His Knee....And Bulls's Head Coach Doug Collins Send M.J.to Play Point Guard No Problem For M.J. (15 Triples Doubles in 23 Games....7 in a Row And The Day That The Streak Was Over At 7 Going For #t 8, in a Row. in That Game He Put (42 Points) (14 Assist) And (8 Rebounds).... (5 Steals) and (2 Blocks). The Next Day in The Papers. The Headline Was (.M.J's Streak's Over.) Cause He Spoiled All The Fans.....They Expect This Class Of Games From His AIRNESS 90% Of The Time..and He Deliever. that's why is the greatest of all times THE G🏀AT and MAYORITY OWNER OF AN NBA FRANCHISE, AND HIS OWN JORDAN'S BRAND. TOTAL 2.3 BILLIONS. MAGIC, BIRD, RESURRECTED THE NBA, M.J. REVOLUTIONATED 'n' TRANSFORM THE NBA FOR THE BEST AND THANKS TO THOSE 3 LEGENDS SPECIALLY MICHAEL JEFFREY THE NBA AND BÁSQUETBALL IS KNOW AROUND THE PLANET🌎 THANKS,
So were pippen and Rodman with like 19 all nba defense awards combined. How many did wade, bosh, kyrie and love have combined remind me? You might as well just check wade cause rest have 0
Total Achievements: (Titles, MVPs, Finals MVPs, 1st All-NBA, 1st All-DEF) 1) Jordan = 36 2) LeBron = 30 3) Kareem = 29 4) Kobe = 28 4) Duncan = 28 6) Magic = 20 7) Russell = 19 8) Bird = 17 9) Wilt = 16** 10) Shaq/Hakeem = 16 **Would be a lot higher but All-Defensive Team selections didn't start until 1969 BTW, Players like Durant = 12, Giannis = 10, Curry = 9 and a couple of others still have a chance on making it into that Top Achievement list before their career is over.
It's funny how people forget how dominant Mike was on BOTH ends of the court... no games off, no load management, no slacking off on defense and blaming teammates for defensive break-downs. Mike took pride in shutting down the other team's star. Jordan played all regular season 82 games 9 times in his career. It's a joke that people put LeBron ahead of Kobe.
This why I have so much respect for MJ, even his thought process respects his predecessors. The absolute difference between elite players and great players.
He says that because that’s the only thing he can admit to. He never competed with his predecessors so he can’t truly just say he’s better. He would love to have the chance to play his predecessors so that he can win and brag about it.
and mj did it all with so much style, if a player wants to be goat, they have to beat mj in stats and do it with moe style, not likely to ever happen. kobe is the closest thing well see for a while, he made it look so good like mj.
Total Achievements: (Titles, MVPs, Finals MVPs, 1st All-NBA, 1st All-DEF) 1) Jordan = 36 2) LeBron = 30 3) Kareem = 29 4) Kobe = 28 4) Duncan = 28 6) Magic = 20 7) Russell = 19 8) Bird = 17 9) Wilt = 16** 10) Shaq/Hakeem = 16 **Would be a lot higher but All-Defensive Team selections didn't start until 1969 BTW, Players like Durant = 12, Giannis = 10, Curry = 9 and a couple of others still have a chance on making it into that Top Achievement list before their career is over.
Kobe's efficiency stats, which are stats that really matter, make him average. He was known as a 'scorer' right? His last-second shots clanked 75% of the time. He never one time shot over 50% from the field in a season in his entire career. NOT ONCE... his lifetime FG% is sub 45%, which is average. That means he shot a lot... that is all. In the Laker's first 3 championships, 2 of which were legit, he wasn't even close to being the best guy on the team, with Shaq being the most dominant player in the league in those years. Kobe wasn't even in the same league as Jordan or even LeBron for that matter... BTW, LeBron is working on his 10th season I believe shooting over 50% from the field, and of course, his triple-doubles are light years ahead of Kobe, and a long ways ahead of Jordan also... LeBron is the closest thing to Jordan, except he doesn't have Jordan's heart and drive and quiet leadership skills, which takes him down a lot in the spectrum, but still far ahead of Kobe
I don't see Jordan when I watch LeBron,When watching LeBron, i see Magic..I see Jordan when I watch Kobe..at the end of the day..they are all great players 👍
Cos Lebron has way better stats than Kobe, Kobe's finals stats are abysmal he only had 1 really good goat type finals series in 2002 the rest were below average shooting.
LeBron said by him bringing Cleveland the 1st Championship made him the GOAT. M.J. did the same w/ Chicago and bringing that same team 6 Championships.
You know... at the end of the day I guess it doesn't really matter. But I think the reason it bothers me so much is because I don't think Lebron has the qualities of a champion. I think Lebron is weak under pressure and a poor leader. He takes credit for success and blames the people around him whenever he fails. Quite simply, Lebron does not possess the values that set a person apart as "The greatest of all time". People don't realize when they put Lebron James up there as "The greatest of all time" they are actually devaluing the very meaning of the word.
There are a few players over the years that I think displayed a toughness and determination that no one else had. I think Kobe was one of them, so was Bird, so was Magic, and MJ is at the pinnacle of them all. There are probably a few others, Kareem and Bill Russell come to mind. Maybe Tim Duncan. But it's a short list. And I don't think Lebron is on that list.
MJ the goat but Bron was saying he bought back a championship by beating the greatest record of all time 73-9) beating the greatest team made him the goat is what he's saying
Different mentalities. MJ never took even a minute off. From 86-91, 5 seasons, MISSED ONE TOTAL GAME. The second 3-peat after baseball, MISSED ZERO GAMES. Nobody in this era has that mindset to ever approach Jordan's greatness.
MJ never took a night off. I live in Sacramento and clearly in Jordan's era the Bulls did not need him to play to get the W vs the Kings but Jordan still laced em up every single time he came to Sac. Mad respect. Watching MJ and Mitch Richmond go at it was a pleasure.
@@ArigatoGyrooso what. Took 2 years off to play another sport. Came back an won 3 more. Was still unstoppable an the greatest after taking 2 years off. Lebron has never been the greatest or best player a single season he has played. He cant win 3 straight even 1 time.. damn sure couldn't take 2 years off an come back an even win 1 damn sure not 3. He's a joke
@@ArigatoGyroo He was forced to due to gambling. He was sooo big that they couldn't just ban him, so he was forced out for 2 years. Look what happened when he came back. He and his team won 3 straight championships AGAIN....If that doesn't tell you how great he was, then I don't know what does.
Great quote…Also, MJ didn’t do the maintenance thing where you get days off, also Lebron’s early non killer instinct mind set… flops, used to defer to take the big shot. He can never change his history.
@@og6951 False narrative, Lebron was more of a killer in his first stint with the Cavs. Making the right basketball play is not lacking a Killer instinct, Lebron also has the most game-winners in playoff history, not bad for a player who doesn't have a killer instinct. Kobe had a killer instinct and is one of the most inefficient superstars, of all time!
My favorite quote from Chamberlain on why Jordan couldn't be the NBA goat was this one, “The difference between you and me is that they had to change the rules for me so I couldn't dominate. They changed the rules so that you could.”
Yeah but wilt also never respected anyone being better than him. As great as wilt was and how much respect he carries, he just doesn't accept that someone was better. Wilt was one of the best Bigs but oh be damned if he was anything close to Jordan, Kobe talent. Wilt didn't shoot beyond five feet and 90% of his shots were dunks, layups, and putbacks.
As a Knicks fan that grew up in the 90s, I’ve seen each player in their prime and MJ is most certainly a cut above. And this is coming from someone that wishes I could say someone was better. MJ crushed my dreams every year in the playoffs
Everytime, Smh. We threw the kitchen sink at this dude and he killed us and everybody else, and made it look good while doing it. GOAT and its not even close.
Michael Jordan is above them and they know it. The phase “the Michael Jordan of” became a thing in society and it signifies excellence in whatever field. Kobe, Lebron and whoever else that came after. Are excellent no doubt in their own right but Jordan was in his own league there’s no denying it. Others going to bed, Jordan still playing ball after all the crowd left. Others can reach the summit but Jordan will forever be the mountain.
Yea lebron disappearing against the mavs in the finals and also disappearing against the celtics the year before is hard to defend. All i can say for lebrons case is after that mavs series he never disappeared during the playoffs again. Mj and kobe are really different than lbj though and kobe had some failures but it wasnt lack of trying. I mean kobes first playoff series he air balled three 3s and got eliminated because of it. That could of ruined most teens but he just worked harder. And during game 7 against the celts where he obviously had a horrendous shooting night he never got deterred after three quarters of poor shooting he still put up 10 in the 4th which was more than anyone else on either team and he got 15 rebounds in the game.
😂😭His team way by far better, what do you mean. He never faced a team that posed any real threat. That’s a hard task. I watched those finals live, dude the teams are anything near the Bulls. The Bulls could’ve won without MJ.
@@koshinaden263 😂If you get them nuts of your mouth. I just need a yes or no did the Bulls make a deep playoff run and almost make the east finals? Boy MJ wasn’t anything without Scottie. Scottie take the best player ever night. 🤡is your seed.
Kobe Bryant showed he could do it without Shaq, Michael Jordan left to play basketball and when he came back he went back to Pippin instead of going somewhere else to show he could do it without Pippin, Kobe said that in the last dance to be a nice guy, but Kobe still did it, and Michael Jordan fans take that to heart just because Kobe said that, go watch the video where Michael Jordan told Kobe you can wear the shoes but your not going to be the man and the next game they played Kobe just walked all over Jordan, Kobe was better than Jordan and he proved it, just because Kobe didn't have great teammates to win more championships, but Jordan always had Pippin, face the facts
@@brentw0681 dude stop😂 Jordan couldn’t be stopped… i can name multiple teams and players who have stopped Lebron… golden state is lebrons worst nightmare
Jordan was truly an unstoppable force of nature. I’ve never seen an athlete like him in any sport. Guess that’s why he was ranked greatest athlete of the 20th century.
For those wondering why Kobe got left out for a while.. during his career, he played the villain so well that much of media. They didn’t start to really give him his flowers til he was about to retire.
@@rogeliouribemusic no, but if im picking a team to win it all, i will pass on him for less selfish players.. I will say that he is the 2nd best shooting guard of all time.. so unless Im having two shooting guards, he wont be in my starting 5..
I think the difference is really between the mentality of Kobe and Mike brought vs the mentality Lebron brought. Jordan and Kobe were competitive at everything. They hated losing more than anything. I don’t think they were as obsessed with being the best of all time but instead they wanted to be the best player on the floor at all times. I honestly think that’s why Kobe retired. I think he didn’t want to be the second or third best player in the league.
I disagree with your comment about kobe's retirement,he retire because of his achilles injury,I wonder what will happens to lebron if kobe will play 2 to 3 more yrs. I dont think that he will be aknowledge😂😂😂😂😂
I’ve watched all three and love all three but Jordan was the most insane thing I’ve ever watched! I’m not forgetting Kareem, Magic and Larry! Those are my eras! Wasn’t alive to see Elgin Wilt and Bill! All great in their own right! Jordan just had a little something extra!
1:56, Jaylen Rose puts LeBron ahead of Larry Bird? The human highlight film? He must be on something. I saw Bird over 100 times when he played. I saw a rookie Michael Jordan, Magic, Kareem, Dr. J et al. I saw Bird do things that defied logic. He also won 3 titles, all with the same team, unlike LeBron.
I'm from New Zealand 🇳🇿 and watched the Lakers v Celtics Series LIVE on our t.v network for free, man the greatest feeling ever! Magic on the fast break was scintillating! Just pure genius! Kareem's sky hook, and the solid James Worthy. But Bird! WOW! Fundamentals too the tee! Beautiful mover with the ball and so efficient. I reckon one of the best dummies ever when he'd fake! He was so competitive he was verging on insanity I reckon 😂 But man Bird was Game! Chances are, with Bird in your team you were going to win.
Yeah, anytime you call yourself that, you automatically take yourself out of the discussion. When everybody else says it, then you know you are that guy.
Lol. He was 3-4 in the finals when he said that bullshit...he is 4-6 now...Kobe went 5-2 and MJ went 6-0... Kobe and MJ both did it without chasing any of those rings to other cities.
Jordan by far. He was a assasin on both sides of the court. Extremely letal in big games. Not only imposed himself by sheer ability, plus by his mentality. That's the origin of Mamba Mentality.
@@TheGr8-1 How can have Magic when he played with 5 HOFers. Yeah, you just a hater. Hard to say 1person is great while having somebody he played with 2 spots behind him like Kareem and Magic who played n in the same dam team. You not just a hater, you don’t know shit about basketball 😂
I just love listening to Michaels humble comments about feeling embarrassed and cringing when people declare him as the greatest of all time. He said nobody knows because he never got the chance to play against Chamberlain or Russell. His response was amazing❤
I love how LBJ said that in front of a friendly crowd and no one jumped in to agree with him. They let him explain himself while they scratched their heads.
I can settle the debate. Several years before MJ retired the media started asking who’s the next MJ. They gave the title of next MJ to multiple players including Kobe and Lebron. Nobody is asking who the next Kobe or Lebron is. And after Lebron retires the debate will start again, who is the next MJ?
I will tell you why this debate is very complex . Kobe and LeBron might just have reach the " Jordan level " . Greatness , clutchness in the most important times , and titles . Kobe proved it by winning 2 more title after shaq left . He did it against a Celtics team with , Kevin Garnett , Paul Pierce , ray Allen and rondo . 1 vs 4 and with a broken finger. This accomplishment is unmatched . LeBron is the most complete player of all time . His best ability is his assist game . But he can dunk , and shoot 3 point . He can do it all . LeBron early miami was the best player of all time . He could jump higher than. Jordan , dunk stronger , was leading in assist and defense . He also won 3 title in 3 different teams . Each time final mvp . So now we have 3 level of greatness . And we are witnessing the 4 the level of greatness stephen curry the best shooter of all time . Kobe had the mind , because he didn't have the body like MJ . MJ had the body , the mind and the skills. LeBron had , the individual skills , the teamates skills , the body , the longevity . And curry is making everyone want to shoot more 3s
When MJ was on the court we all believed anything could happen, we all expected something amazing and never before seen things to happen….and it did! We don’t expect that from LJ, because he hasn’t proved it consistently like MJ. With LJ we get to see some amazing things here and there…but not consistently. MJ is the GOAT
He was in Convo for MVP last year at 36, Bron was lol. MJ was horrible at 36 in Washington. C'mon man. MJ can be the goat without lying on Bron. He's Mr consistent! That's why he's talked about as at least #2-5 greatest ever from just about everybody. You made that up🤣🤣
they give their heart and speak the truth to the answer at the same time try not to disrespect, losing media jobs, and generate hates from the media, that's so hard to do nowadays.
Allen Iverson echoed my sentiments exactly, "What, they forgot about him?" Every time I hear this MJ vs. LBJ conversation it makes my taint convulse when they just forget about The Black Mamba. So disrespectful. Glad the players know. They played against them and saw them up close and personal - not the media or these fan boys.
@@SilentMovements305 he’s certainly in the top 5, Larry demanded the last shot, James never seemed to want it. Riley said I’d pick MJ to take the last shot to win a game, I’d take Larry’s last shot to save my life.
@@reno11558 top 10 yea top 5 questionable last minute shots yea I go wit MJ Kobe n bird. Lebron isn't trust worthy the thing wit lebron is he was a "freak" athlete but if you notice his game has never changed since coming into the league all dunks n pick n rolls thats y his field goal percentage is up there. Not a bird fan but the man elevated his game switched it up couple times n played against the ShowTime Lakers even he lost he did a number on Magic
When MJ came to your city, he sold out every Arena. Meaning, people come out just to see him preform. That's something we can't say about LBJ nor Kobe. The reason Kobe is lost in the MJ & LBJ conversation, that's because of the media, and this millennial generation! I'll take Kobe over LBJ any day!
@LYVE 1992 what killed kobe is after Shaq he never had an all star on his team. And still managed. If he played in this league or had this talent round him hes winning every year. All he needed was somone who was efficient and aggressive to take half that load off.
@@jaybro2285 MJ had weak competition? What about Celtics who played with 5 hall of famers, Bad Boys Pistons, Knicks (with Patrick Ewing), Orlando Magics (with Shaquille O'Neil) and the Indiana Pacers (with Reggie Miller). Look at this video ua-cam.com/video/tl3mR6eoEa8/v-deo.html and tell me how LBJ is the better player. Sure, the vid was made in 2020 so it doesn't account for last years season where LBJ improved with one additional MVP.
I'm just gonna say if MJ came straight out of high school playing the way he did as a rookie, never retired, and injured he would have the scoring record that probably no one can catch. Remember he only played 13 HEALTHY years and and got scoring titles for 10 of them averaging 30+ pts
I agree to 30 points times 82 games times 17 seasons and see what you comes up with watch mj numbers lol 😂 40 plus thousands points maybe close to 48 thousands points
You forget he played 82 full games every year for most of his career in a more physical nba league. The one that calls himself the goat barely played full seasons
Anyone who thinks MJ is the GOAT was born in the 80s, and use old head logic to try in validate their argument. When most players in today's league are better shooters and better shot creators.
In the Early days of the NBA, there wasn't much question who the best basketball player was. It was Wilt, and nobody questioned it. Then guys like Kareem, Dr J, Bird, Magic came along and people started to make arguments about one being better than the other, but no definitive answer to who was the greatest. They were all great in their own right. Stars of the league, and legends of the game. When Jordan came along, it was like something out of a writer's room. Within his first month as a Bull, people began to take notice of this kid who was absolutely dominating everyone. Nobody could stop him. The minute that man laced up his shoes for the first time and hit that court, he was already talked about with the likes of the greats. People questioned, just how good could this kid get? Years went by and Jordan never waivered from that mark as the best basetball player of his time. Pushed past Magic and Bird, and stood at the top of the mt. rushmore of 1980's and 1990's NBA. There was a time before Jordan where it was debated who was the best ever, when Jordan arrived, there was no longer a debate. He broke the game. now, over 20 years after he retired from the game of basketball, people still compare the stars of the league and legends of the game to his name. He will forever be the greatest basketball player to ever walk the Earth. Players will come and they will pass, but whoever joins the game today knows there is only 1 name they will compare yours too, no matter how great you are. And you know what that name is.
Let me add to this... he's not only the greatest basketball player of all time, but the greatest athlete of all time. There was nothing like MJ back in the 90s
@@sheriffdraws8789 Bwahaha ha ha ha. Greatest athlete of all time. He lost thousands of dollars to a golf hustler and spent two years in the minors because he couldn't hit a curve ball. He was also unreliable shooting from outside. He could drive and dunk. That's it.
This is a fantastic debate! Here’s my take on the GOAT using a unique analogy: Steel Analogy: • Michael Jordan is like high-carbon steel: the gold standard for strength and durability. His six championships and relentless competitive edge make him the benchmark for greatness. • Kobe Bryant is like stainless steel: resilient and versatile. His five championships and “Mamba Mentality” reflect his enduring impact and ability to shine in various roles. • LeBron James is like alloy steel: enhanced through diverse elements. His versatility and success across different teams highlight his all-around excellence. Diamond Analogy: • Michael Jordan is a flawless diamond: the pinnacle of purity and brilliance. His illustrious career and iconic performances set the ultimate standard in basketball. • Kobe Bryant is a VVS1 diamond: nearly perfect, reflecting his exceptional skill and dedication. His remarkable achievements and resilience shine through like the high quality of this diamond. • LeBron James is a VS1 diamond: exceptional quality with minor inclusions, symbolizing his versatility and comprehensive skill set. His ability to excel in various roles showcases his resilience and adaptability. Why Michael Jordan is the GOAT: When we talk about the GOAT, we’re referring to the player by whom all others are judged. Just like high-carbon steel sets the highest benchmark for strength and a flawless diamond represents ultimate brilliance, Michael Jordan is the standard of greatness in basketball. His six championships, five MVP awards, and unmatched competitive spirit make him the definitive GOAT.
The thing I love about Jordan, is that he never said it himself. Because of the respect he has for all of the greats that came before him. Because you can't go back in time to play against someone in their prime. All those guys who were there before you are the ones who inspired you! Only the world can call you the goat, not yourself.
It was an absolute refusal to lose from Jordan and players now have nowhere near then determination and Competitive/Killer Instinct he had and that’s just one thing that sets him apart
I forgot who said this. “When you beat Lebron, it was good strategy. When you beat Michael, that was just luck.” That to me proves MJ is undisputed goat.
@@chevyskinner7492 what do you mean.. care to elaborate lmao are you reading what I’m reading?? Just cause someone says something doesn’t PROVE anything.. it’s pathetic with you Jordan fanboys
If Jordan played in today's game, he'd have averaged 45+ ppg. Kobe was a great, LeBron is great, Bill Russel had an outstanding run... but MJ was on another level when it came to talent and competitiveness.
Kobe was as good as MJ , more skilled, he just faced greater and more athletic players than Jordan had to face. The fact that with a Shaq and Kobe led team they lost to the Pistons shows you how good the Pistons were Defensively.
To me I want to say Lebron cause out of those 3 he is the only one to make regular players play at a higher level. The one thing he dosn't have over the other 2 is what you just mentioned which is competitiveness. Sometimes Lebron looks scared of the bright light
I've watched all 3 of their careers from the start. Jordan as a freshmen in college, Kobe and Lebron in high school. (1) Jordan, (2) Kobe, (3) Lebron. As a footnote, when Lebron was a rookie, I predicted he would become the GOAT..... but he never passed those two, and I don't base ANY of it on the number of rings. I'm talking pure basketball skill!
Well, on skill, you need to add others before James. Bird, for one. And I agree with you-playing more seasons (accumulating more stats) shouldn’t change the order. We’ve seen enough.
@@cnelsonlv99 since the video is only about those three and you mentioned skill - if going off basketball skills alone the order would have to be Kobe, then Jordan and Lebron not even close to those two.
@@jimmulcahey9312 Lebron is not close, that's correct. Jordan is ahead of Kobe because of Jordan's dominance going to his left, which was a weakness for Kobe.
I am a Laker fan to my very core, but Michael Air Jordan is the best player that I ever seen to play the game ( especially @ his size ) and the over all talent and adversity that he had to go through and endure, placed him in a class all by himself.
I was a Magic Johnson fan & Lakers fan. So I hated on Jordan while he was playing. With that said I couldn’t agree more. He’s def the best I’ve ever seen. He’s a stone cold killer. Didn’t sit out games Bc it was the 2nd of a back to back. 6 finals, 6 rings, never even let it get to a game 7.
MJ turned a losing team into the most dominating team in the NBA. Turned millions of people into fans of basketball. Lebron picked a winning team was not able to make the difference himself. Takes games off. Mike brought it every game no matter what, never did he consider a game not important. Most influential player ever.
Sometimes money can go to one's head. Lebron is a great player. Michael Jordan is the best I've seen on the court. He did things on the court That were just amazing. Besides all the championships, Jordan Plays made great players Look average.
jordan contemporaries was knocking his ass out the playoffs.Until they started to retire and the league acquired expansion teams only did mj win.Lebron played in a way more advanced league him playing the Spurs,Golden State better than any team Mj played in finals those are facts.
@@wareagleauburn7721 Lebron having a losing record in the finals is a fact too. Keep making excuses for Lebron though. I'll take the opinions of players that actually played against both
Imagine wilt and jokic as your bigs bro... You won't agree but I think having magic and jokic as the spacer with wilt and Jordan being the focal would be broken.
MJ played tougher competition. The east was rough during his era and they played a different kind of defense then. It was stop MJ no matter what even if you have to get him off the court by injury
@Not Robot funny thing also he calls his self the best but will not take the open shot at the end of a close game instead he will pass the ball to a teammate and if they lose the game he will be kicking over trash cans all the way to the locker room and blame his team for the loss
i would agree. kobe was insanely skilled. i still think jordan was thr best ever overall, but kobe was really incredible to watch too. i have always thought kobe is underrated on the best player list. i would personally put kobe ahead of lebron without a doubt. the dude just didnt miss
The last minute of the video provides the conclusion. One shameless self promotion completely divorced from reality and one humble and respectful admiration of those who come before.
MJ is the least humble athlete I've ever seen, but he did show humility there. I personally think MJ is probably better than LeBron, but like Mike said; nobody knows. Players from different eras, playing different positions, with different supporting casts, different injury history, different rules, different competition, etc. LeBron's claim is not "completely divorced from reality." You can make the argument that he's the more complete player, that he's more consistently been a better team player, that he doesn't score as well, but is the all time leading scorer, while also getting more assists and rebounds, and that he had tremendous success in getting to about a million Conference Finals in a row with far less surrounding talent than MJ had when he won 6 titles. And LeBron did that across 3 different franchises with several different coaches as well. LeBron's sustained greatness for two decades is only rivaled by Kareem. Maybe it could've been by MJ but he left for baseball for almost 2 full seasons, missed almost an entire year when he was very young, and retired from the Bulls with a lot left in the tank before coming back an old man with the Wizards. Had he not done that, maybe he would be the all time leading scorer - but he's not. MJ was a far better defender, but not a better passer or rebounder. People that try to make this a clear cut answer are missing a lot of nuance. MJ ruthlessly bullied his own teammates - would I want that if I were starting a franchise? No.
@@isaiahayers1550he is the leading scorer for 1 reason only and that’s he played longer than everybody in the league so that shouldn’t even be part of the debate.
Kobe was in the toughest conference probably in NBA history. 2000-2010 western conference had the most complete teams, and hof players. First half of that decade Kobe and Shaq owned it, second half Kobe won 2 chips out of the 3 times he went to the finals. 7 of those 10 years he went to the finals and lost only 2 times to teams that had 4 all stars on each roster
Well said! This is definitely not on any existing stats before and even now. STATS are always one sided. Or probably i am wrong. Are there any stats that can calculate how many great players on each CONFERENCES?
Even his road to the finals was fucking crazy. Warring with the Spurs, Suns, Mavs. Some seasons, you didnt make the playoffs out west without 50+ games.
To put it this way, LeBron had to beat Ben Wallace led teams and Paul George led teams. He lost outright to Dwight Howard. The only true challenge to nearly any team in the West was the Celtics, and they were old, and the Pistons, before LeBron could shoulder the load against a truly balanced squad. Kobe was beating Duncan/Parker/Ginobli, Nowitzki, Nash/Amare/Marion, Carmelo, to even get to the Finals, where he was facing three hall of famers or whoever LeBron had lost to.
Nah. 80's East were harder. 80's East had Boston with Bird/Maravich, 76ers with Dr.J, Pistons with Thomas/Laimbeer/Rodman/Dumars, Bulls with Mj/Scottie, Knicks with Ewing/cummings/Sparrow, Atlanta with Wilkins/Rivers/Wittman and so on.
Jordan, the MOST competitive athlete EVER, always deferred to players that came before him. He never called himself the best player ever, even though we all know he was. Pure class.
Yep, there was a huge contrast between that quote of LeBron declaring himself GOAT and Jordan talking about how he doesn't want the title cuz he can't compare himself to those who came before him. Nobody can declare themselves GOAT. I would rank them Jordan, Kobe, LeBron.
@@tungi_halmegi You don't know anything. Reggie trash talked MJ saying people think he can walk on water but could only score 12pts against him in the 1st half, but by the end of the game MJ owned him and fired back saying "Don't trash talk black Jesus". He was simply riding along the trash talk you dummy. When that story was told, his peers went along with it as praise. LeFlop Shames calls himself King, but nobody calls him that except the Media and his fanboys.
It's cool to hear vince pause, because I wouldn't be surprised if some guys actually said other guys name that they played against who they thought were better than some of those guess but either didnt care about championships or care about winning as much.
@Jermont Trice Kobe was special. But MJ was waaaayyyy more special. Trust me. Being a kid in the 80’s and 90’s watching MJ was a work of art. I mean where do you think Kobe got his moves from. Who do you think Kobe trained with for years. MJ was just on a different level. And the biggest reason for that was his ability to control the ball. It was like Steve Jobs and Apple. Way before their time.
I get all that it’s gonna be different for everyone I would’ve like to see a 90s Jordan but being born in 92 and not getting into ball until 2000s I can’t say how great he since I didn’t see that version of him
@@durriellhumphrey I mean you can always pay homage humbly but 20 years, 1 franchise, 5 rings, and scored more points then MJ with more injuries then him... im not saying Mike isn't a GOAT cause he was special. But to say Mike was way more special is a stretch. 81 points in game, 60 in his last game, 4th all time in scoring, if Kobe isnt better he's arms length.
Kobe took all his anger out on the league after that trial in '03. As a 6 yr old, I knew Kobe was something else b/c of what he was going through. This dude was hitting crazy ass shots, taking the ball coast to coast slamming on ppl with rage putting up impossible numbers going on so many scoring sprees in a harder era when defense was mad harder. Before 03' Kobe was a easy going cool laid-back kid, but after 03' you guys woke a monster and he never was the same. That's when the Black Mamba shit came in.. Dude saw red 🔴 and looked at everybody different. He's my GOAT.
Me 4. I’m a biased, life-long Lakers fan, and Kobe is my GOAT. Kobe was more skilled than Jordan, but there would be no Kobe without Jordan. That being said, there would be no MJ without Dr. J, and Jordan said that himself. Does that mean Dr. J is the true GOAT? NOPE. KB24 FTW. Black Mamba FOREVER🖤
lebron never played serious D,saving energy for offense,and to be the goat you have to have complete package.oh yeah and not to flop on point guards cos you lose your credibility.
@@peralozac4046 Micheal Jordan is the complete package. That's why he's the goat. Nobody and I mean nobody will or has ever called Tom Brady the LeBron James of football... haha that's even reads stupid. If you're the GOAT of any sport you're referred to as The Micheal Jordan of said sport.
I think Kobe gets skipped over because of a combination of Mike and Kobe’s careers overlapping, + recency bias from the younger generation of fans who have only ever known and seen LBJ play. So they’re the ones pushing the argument that LeBron is the GOAT. And in order to do that, they skip straight to the greatest who came before him to compare and make their case. But, if they had seen Mike play his whole career and had seen Kobe follow, there would be less controversy and Kobe would be getting the recognition he deserves. I don’t know a single person who has watched all of both MJ and LeBeon’s careers, and considers LeBron to be better than Kobe, much less MJ.
If you watch a HIGHLIGHTS REEL of all 3 of these guys, u can clearly see KOBE and JORDAN are far more superior than LEBRON when it comes down to PURE Basketball SKILL 🏀💯
It's because LBJ is built like a PF and plays SF in the era of perimeter players. MJ and Kobe were both guards playing in the era of dominant big men. MJ and Kobe needed to pull out real magic. LBJ simply drives to the basket and many times people rather dodge than commit a cheap foul.
The whole lost more finals is a tired argument, especially when talking about Kobe. How many Finals MVP does Kobe have in comparison? How many NBA MVPs? I'm not saying Kobe should not be brought up, I'm saying bring a stronger argument.
@@tonyt6172 no, if that was the narrative bill russell would be the goat. jordan didnt start winning until pippen came around + he had incredible defensive players, he was getting swept 1st round before all that. he had a pefect storm which allowed him to shine. LBJ is the greatest player of all time
Michael would never say he was the greatest of all time, out of respect for other greats, and for different era's. There is one fact that is not up for debate...the man did more for the game of basketball, than any player has ever done for any other sport. My mother would not miss a bull's game, and she doesn't give a damn about sports. That's how great mike was
I respectfully disagree with an aspect of your comment. Michael did not do more for basketball than what Tiger did for golf. Otherwise, I do think MJ is the best basketball player ever. This, coming from a Knicks fan.
@@mikeyrue tiger is definitely second imo, then probably gretzkey. Jordan took bball global, and as I am sure more kids around the world started to play golf because of tiger, not like they did with basketball because of Jordan. And old widows still weren't tuning into golf, tiger or no tiger, but they were when Jordan played. Especially the second 3 peat team. It was absolute can't miss tv. Tiger definitely did more for black kids wanting to play a sport, but they were already playing bball before Jordan. Plus Tiger put a pretty big stain on himself with his troubles. But we can agree to respectfully disagree 👊
@@PhoenixAscending You're right in that Tiger definitely sullied his reputation by getting knocked on the head by his ex- wife. His ultimate career results remains one of Sports' Enduring What-If questions. MJ will forever be involved in the who's the GOAT conversation, simply because it's fun to contemplate. One thing is for certain, regarding these two individuals... their level of greatness in their respective sports is legendary. I feel very lucky to have been able to enjoy of their entire careers.
@@mikeyrue well said. Tiger's DUI didn't look good either. I could tell by the way his eyes looked for years that he was on something. Not nearly as durable as Mike either. But you're right, two amazing careers for sure
@@mikeyrue In a way, Tiger Woods is the Michael Jordan of golf. The gap between TIger's game and everyone else on the PGA tour, is like the gap between MJ and other NBA players.
Why it’s Michael for me is that, he loves basketball so much, I believe you could have not paid him a nickel and he would have went out on that court and put on the same show, the same effort. He loved, he exuded, he studied, he demoralized his enemy, he whipped his opponents with his effort, he beat you with a smile, he humiliated some, he taught others a lesson, he gave so much to the sport, he is the all time King of Basketball AND he did it every night. He loved his fans he enjoyed his opponents, and he pushed and taught his teammates, if you trash talked, he’d trash talk more, if you put one on him he put 5 on you. I was blessed to watch this wonderful man all my life. He made my life better. He’s an example for all. You can be at the pinnacle of your chosen profession! Live with a passion. Love those around you, contribute the best you can at whatever you do. That is his legacy. You can look at stats all day but MJ has the heart and his heart was number one all time in basketball. I don’t think there will ever be another like him in sports period.
I dont really get the use of the drought ending as an argument tbh. Like why should you be praised just because your team sucked before you even got there, its not like lebron had anything to do with the cavs that was losing in the 80s and 90s.
It's because LeBron made a "promise", which was kinda unprecedented...and he delivered on that promise. Now the value of that is going to be different depending on who you're talking to; but for Cleveland, I'm sure it's a big deal. LeBron was bringing $200M to Cleveland's economy when he was a Cavalier, and when he left, it was devastating.
@@thomasriishojgaard5677 shows what you had to deal with and how un established your the franchise is, top to bottom from the gm,coach, and the players around you, is all a reflection of droughts.
The GOAT discussion should never existed. The real discussion should be who's second: Kobe or LeBron. The fact is MJ and Kobe never flopped and never quit on his team. 6-8 250 power forwards should never get knocked over by picks thrown by 5'10', 155lb point guards.
When you’re great, you tell everyone. When you’re the greatest, everyone tells you...
💯💯💯
Nailed it right on the head. Jordan's take might be fake humility, but at least he isn't bragging. Kyrie won that series for Flopron with that shot. If not for that, no Cavs championship, yet he takes credit as GOAT after someone else saved the game for him. He seems to forget that he didn't make the shot. I think MJ was sincere when he did that interview, but since then I think he knows he is the GOAT. And Shaq calling Wilt the most dominant is in that same realm. Shaq KNOWS he was the most dominant, but won't call himself that.
Great quote from Walter Payton, and it is 100% true about just about anything.
@@pelnarius2446 you bring up great points. It would have been a titanic clash to see Wilt vs Shaq in their primes---Wilt was an off the charts athlete and said to have been the strongest ever to play the game. Shaq was a freak of nature, for a man that size to move like he could. And I agree--I think Jordan was being sincere and recognizes the game has changed enough that comparisons are moot. One thing that is seldom mentioned is LeBron, with his 2" and 60 lb advantage over Jordan also has enjoyed an era where he cannot be touched going to the basket, whereas a smaller Jordan could get hard foul after hard foul without the player being ejected, yet not only missed far fewer games than LeBron by year but still scored more points if you take equal numbers of years (15) as well as played defense better AND won the dunk contest twice. Sorry, no comparison.
@@tombanaski3251 They also don't mention the amount of money Floppy James spends on conditioning. Jordan did what he did while drinking scotch, smoking cigars, gambling all night, then kicking everyone's ass the next day. He also retired three times, came back twice, and still dominated.
Can we also point out that MJ took 2 years off to try out for baseball after the first three championships, then came back after not playing ball to win three more in a row. I was one of the lucky ones to be alive in MJ's era got to watch him play on tv and once in person. Also another little fact about MJ. No matter what team was playing at home if MJ was going to be there it was a packed house because even fans of other teams wanted to witness MJ live. It was something to see.
"FYI"did you knowwhy he makes that early retirement??
@@alexander4615 why did he retired early?
Dont forget 95 ... they lost to shaq before they got rodman.
And that's just some of the reasons Michael Jeffrey Jordan is DA G.O.A.T!!!!!
FYI he left the game after the 1st 3peat because his father was KILLED!!!!!!!
The way Iverson praises Kobe just makes me feel a certain way 👏
Killers respect killers.
..The mamba man, a certified serial killer...
Iverson knows Kobe is the only reason he doesnt have a ring. They absolutely battled in the 2001 Finals. It was amazing to watch
Yeah dude!
Gives me chills!
He called him a serial killer 😭 rip mamba
Michael did it because of his generously God-given ability to fly... and Kobe did it because he poured his heart and time into it... Mamba is an amazing example of "practice will make you do it"... his whole life revolved around basketball
I know that it's unintentional, but you're disrespecting MJ's work ethic to prepare himself to be able to do what he did at the level he did for as long as he did. There are so many stories about MJ golfing, gambling, smoking cigars, drinking, whatever - but they rarely mention the hours upon hours he actually did spend in the gym. For example, he has a full court built while filming a movie so he could put work in regardless of the setting. A LOT of players could"fly," but it takes much more than that to win against the very best and come out voted The Very Best (6MVPs in 6 Finals).
Wrong! MJ had the most insane work ethic of any player, and his comparators, coaches, and others will tell you that in a heartbeat. Michael wasn’t the most athletically gifted, and he wasn’t the most naturally talented. He was the most driven!
Kobe wasn’t the most gifted and was also driven.
LeBron was just…gifted. He’s lazy to me. I don’t admire him on the court at all. His footwork is sloppy. His movements aren’t smooth…sometimes even choppy. He has one of the ugliest jumpers I’ve ever seen.
He lacks toughness. He lacks confidence. He lacks the feature to shut down his main competitors h2h.
He seems like a nice guy, has a beautiful family, appears to be a great father, and dies nice things in the community.
He was very good in “Train Wreck,” so he even has some comedic acting talent. As a baller? He’s much lower for me. I wouldn’t even have him on my top-20.
Mj was just as aggressive on defensive as he was on offense. Never worried about getting tired🧐
Lebitch would say what’s defensive.
So was Kobe
Dude defense?? Hahahahahah in the early period! Watch the old videos
mj did play defense what u mean he won dpoy so what are u even talking about @@visibleangle7147
Kobe wasn’t relentless on defense, he picked his spots. He could’ve been much better.
All these greats have spoken but people who never played in the league wanna say otherwise. MJ and Kobe are unmatched!
MJ is unmatched. Kobe is like a counterfeit MJ.
Kobe isn’t even a top 20 shooting guard statistically in fg%, apg, rpg, bpg, spg
Most players that played with all 3 for very long played with an 18-20 year old Lebron and he still schooled them
Legoat
Paul peirce just called lebron the 🐐
Facts and lebum doesn't even come close to them. I don't like the video cause it mostly talked about MJ & that bot lebum the queen of flops james
I like what Iverson said. Well said they forgot the Mamba #8/24
they forgot about Olajuwon too!!! unstoppable !! still leads the league in blocks!! only player ever to block Kareem's skyhook, at the peak!!
@@Moorfeeus you mean wilt chamberlain
@@Moorfeeus lmao, he didn't block no kareem skyhook
@@ronaldlewis1761 him too...my bad.....Olajuwon more impressive, cause he was the shortest postman at the time
Jordan is very respectful of the greats of the past.
GP, summarized it the sentiment perfectly. What separates MJ and Kobe the most from lebron is that their mentality. MJ and Kobe don’t even know the meaning of tired in the heat of a game.
Agreed. The think about MJ to is that he loved the challenge and took everything personally, which drove him to be the greatest. Not just that, but the athleticism and speed he has is crazy
Let's stop this mentality shit LOL What separates MJ and Kobe from Lebron is their SKILL. They are literally the 2 best basketball players to ever walk to Earth. MJ and Kobe have the 2 best mid range games and footwork of all time. Kobe on the other hand had a pure shot from 3 and crazy handles. I don't understand how Kobe can be better than Lebron in every aspect of basketball except passing yet ppl still think LeBron is better. Ngl Kobe got some weird hate from the NBA. Only 1 MVP when he should have had 3 or 4, and then David Stern personally vetoing the cp3 trade when they allowed Miami big 3 the year before. My list is Jordan, Kobe, Wilt, Lebron in that order. I can confidently say MJ and Kobe won't lose a 1v1 to anyone under 7ft. Then you got Lebron out there getting clapped by Michael Beasley in 1v1's.
Kobe wasnt gifted with Lebron's physical feature and natural talents. All Kobe had was the killer instinct and drive to always try and beat you. And from that drive he worked on his game to become the 2nd greatest. Even if Lebron gets a 5th ring he will not win over Kobe. He just doesnt have that killer instinct that MJ and Kobe had. Also he bounced around teams. I think that fact will always linger in people's minds when comparing Kobe and Lebron. A die hard laker til the very end or a ring chaser always having teams built around you the second you sign the dotted line.
@@tien5tri Couldn't agree with you more. I just wanted to point out that it's more than Kobe's mentality that separated him from everyone else. He's 10x more skilled than Lebron and even Jordan. Lebron and Jordan are probably the most athletic players ever. Jordan had the skill to go along with it that's why he's the goat. And yea Kobe stuck through 3 years of a g league roster when Shaq left. And he could have ring chased after his achilles injury but stayed. The Iverson clip stands out the most to me...did people really just forget the shit Kobe did? Hands down the 2nd greatest and easily the best scorer ever (along with Wilt).
@@GJG_3 but mentality's a huge part of it. That's what kept Kobe and MJ from doing silly shit like flopping, team hopping, etc.
Also, it's that mentality that never allowed them to get outplayed by a role player for a finals series.
Lastly, at no point did Kobe or Mj have to be pushed to a "legacy on the line" game before they showed the heart to lead their teams to a championship.
“ MJ ALL DAY “. Ray allen said👍👍👍
A lot of fans in this generation didn't see how entertaining player jordan is
They didn't see kobe either tbh the average fan today started watching in 2013-16
@@jordanwilson3120 truje
@@jordanwilson3120 and they're the most annoying era of fans of all time
Was
@@supremium6841 swear. Watched bball for like 3 minutes and think they're opinions matter 😂🤦🏽♂️
Mj doesnt do floppin its the killer mentality that makes him the GOAT! Its not only the stats its his character towards the game far from Lebron who claim himself as the greatest pfft.. MJ is just a clutch player cannot be bothered by anyone when he is playing! 6-0 is just a master piece.
@@zipo1039 what happened against Bird in the playoffs? MJ swept twice and is 0-6 against Bird. I realize that it is a team sport but if you are going to give all the credit for his 6-0 finals then he should get the blame for the 0-6 against Bird.
@@jimmulcahey9312 You talking about the 80s?
@@justyouraverageyoutuber5218 86 & 87
I knew it's always gonna be MJ top #1 but I'm happier knowing Shaq, Charles, and Allen and many others rank Kobe over Lebron. Rest in Peace Kobe! Mamba forever!
Always Kobe over leBron
It's not even a debate #Mamba
ikr everyone puts lebron over kobe but kobe is better
Game on the line, Kobe taking the last shot, not lehron, 100 out of 100 times
@@heywassup3672 lebron > kobrick
Michael Jordan's era of defense is the hardest so rough and tougher then lebron's
FACTS bro. The NBA now is HORRIBLY soft smdh 🤦♂️
Put LeBron in a time machine and let him play a game against the Bulls, The Pistons, The Jazz, The Lakers... HE wouldn't win a 7 game series against any of them. Even with a cherry picked dream team.
He'll he was part of a USA basketball team that DIDNT win gold lol.
@@I_like_turtles_67 FACTS bruh
@@I_like_turtles_67 yea because there were tougher defensive players also to name one Denise Rodman a beast on defense
And just the fact that Jordan had his insane scoring averages in that era... I can't even guess how many pts a game he'd have in today's league!! No defense, games have higher scoring totals these days. Jordan might put up 50 a game haha
I love that Michael Jordan doesn't say he's the goat, which makes him more than the goat, everyone on this planet knows he's the greatest ever, even LeBron.
Man blow this man comment up why yall HATING this comment hit 3 facts
That's why LeBron wore 23
Love LeBron but have mad respect for Jordan for taking the high road on this
He definitely knows he the goat.
That's what kind of disqualifies LBJ from the goat conversation for me. MJ and Kobe were both beasts and they were exciting to watch every night. LBJ is cold and calculating, often making cheap moves and allways concerned about his overall greatness more than the game he is playing.
One thing i know for certainty is if Jordan or Kobe had the opportunity to play the others in their prime, they would embrace it. LeBum would sweat bullets.
Kobe 6-16 against Lebron 🥴
😂You don't know that for certain😂 Stop making your opinion facts😂
@@raionheart1563you think Kobe fans listen to logic? Lmao
They talk about rings but then cry when Kobe is compared to Bill Russell about how rings don't make someone the GOAT
Bro Kobe avg 8 points a game he's trash and he literally had a top 10 teammate of all time to carry him to 3 rings don't forget that the 2002 wcsf and 2000 wcf finals were rigged
Yall are tripping
Lebron is barely top 10.
I find it weird how most players, a primary source, say that Kobe > LeBron yet the media tries its hardest to make it say LeBron > Kobe
Because literally in stats accolades peak he wipes kobe
It's the Bronsexual Agenda parroted by Blindbackers (blind witnesses)
lebron is a puppet thats why.
That’s because media members want to have access to the queen for interviews
LeBron beat Kobe 16-6 In career games.
I’ll never forget watching Jordan for the first time. I was all about Magic Johnson. Then my best friend said the bulls game is coming on watch what Michael Jordan can do. I sat down like man forget Michael Jordan who the heck is Michael Jordan. Let me watch this game and see if he everything you say he is. Man that guy put on a show!! Dunks reverse Layups you name it. He was like a video game character. His moves were like next level. Good NBA players looked silly trying to hold him. That one game made me a believer. So yeah Mike will always be the greatest!
I love this story!
Have to agree, Laker fan born and raised....MJ gave it his all both ways every night awesome.... just jealous 😂😂😂
1st time I ever saw Jordan was against the Knicks right after he won the dunk contest in Seattle...fav player ever since
I remember watching MJ in 85 and he was unbelievable, and I was a Boston’s fan. I said right then that this guy is the best Basketball player I’ve ever seen and he was quick. I never seen Kobe or LeBron with the speed a young Jordon had. He put on a show for sure. He was great. Nobody ever watched Jordon in the 80’s must
Mike was incredible defensively as well. Consistently all nba first team defense and was the defensive player of the year in 87.
Don't Forget....First Defensive Team
Last Time 97-98 With 35 Years Old.
9 Times in 13 Years With The Bulls.
10 Scoring Champion in 13 Years.
M.J Played 82 Games 9 Times Of 13
Defensive Player Of The Year, Leader
In Steals, And Scoring Champion With 35+ Points Per Game....That's
Spending Energy.....Also in 1988-89
M.J.Play Like 23 Or So Games at Point Guard.... Because Regular Point Guard John Paxson Injury His
Knee....And Bulls's Head Coach Doug
Collins Send M.J.to Play Point Guard
No Problem For M.J. (15 Triples Doubles in 23 Games....7 in a Row And The Day That The Streak Was Over At 7 Going For #t 8, in a Row.
in That Game He Put (42 Points)
(14 Assist) And (8 Rebounds)....
(5 Steals) and (2 Blocks). The Next
Day in The Papers. The Headline Was (.M.J's Streak's Over.) Cause He Spoiled
All The Fans.....They Expect This Class Of Games From His AIRNESS 90% Of The Time..and He Deliever. that's why is the greatest of all times THE G🏀AT and MAYORITY OWNER
OF AN NBA FRANCHISE, AND HIS OWN JORDAN'S BRAND. TOTAL 2.3 BILLIONS. MAGIC, BIRD, RESURRECTED THE NBA, M.J. REVOLUTIONATED 'n' TRANSFORM
THE NBA FOR THE BEST AND THANKS TO THOSE 3 LEGENDS
SPECIALLY MICHAEL JEFFREY
THE NBA AND BÁSQUETBALL IS
KNOW AROUND THE PLANET🌎
THANKS,
So were pippen and Rodman with like 19 all nba defense awards combined. How many did wade, bosh, kyrie and love have combined remind me? You might as well just check wade cause rest have 0
Total Achievements: (Titles, MVPs, Finals MVPs, 1st All-NBA, 1st All-DEF)
1) Jordan = 36
2) LeBron = 30
3) Kareem = 29
4) Kobe = 28
4) Duncan = 28
6) Magic = 20
7) Russell = 19
8) Bird = 17
9) Wilt = 16**
10) Shaq/Hakeem = 16
**Would be a lot higher but All-Defensive Team selections didn't start until 1969
BTW, Players like Durant = 12, Giannis = 10, Curry = 9 and a couple of others still have a chance on making it into that Top Achievement list before their career is over.
@@bennymoret1339 Amazing stats... Jordan was in a league all by himself and it was 2 leagues ahead of everyone else
Kobe too
It's funny how people forget how dominant Mike was on BOTH ends of the court... no games off, no load management, no slacking off on defense and blaming teammates for defensive break-downs. Mike took pride in shutting down the other team's star. Jordan played all regular season 82 games 9 times in his career. It's a joke that people put LeBron ahead of Kobe.
This why I have so much respect for MJ, even his thought process respects his predecessors. The absolute difference between elite players and great players.
bro you really believe that shit he said😂 that dude wanted to seem humble for the camera he didn’t gaf bout no predecessors😂😂
@@tylerdinger9859 absolutely. He argued with Wilt face to face over who is better, and thought he was better than Wilt.
He says that because that’s the only thing he can admit to. He never competed with his predecessors so he can’t truly just say he’s better. He would love to have the chance to play his predecessors so that he can win and brag about it.
@@riffsthatkill2180 that's because he definitely is better... my ghost grandpa who was amputated during ww2 played against the dude
and mj did it all with so much style, if a player wants to be goat, they have to beat mj in stats and do it with moe style, not likely to ever happen. kobe is the closest thing well see for a while, he made it look so good like mj.
My respect for Allen Iverson for putting up the respect for Kobe.
He is one of the greatest basketball player we have.RIP Mamba❤️
Total Achievements: (Titles, MVPs, Finals MVPs, 1st All-NBA, 1st All-DEF)
1) Jordan = 36
2) LeBron = 30
3) Kareem = 29
4) Kobe = 28
4) Duncan = 28
6) Magic = 20
7) Russell = 19
8) Bird = 17
9) Wilt = 16**
10) Shaq/Hakeem = 16
**Would be a lot higher but All-Defensive Team selections didn't start until 1969
BTW, Players like Durant = 12, Giannis = 10, Curry = 9 and a couple of others still have a chance on making it into that Top Achievement list before their career is over.
Kobe's efficiency stats, which are stats that really matter, make him average. He was known as a 'scorer' right? His last-second shots clanked 75% of the time. He never one time shot over 50% from the field in a season in his entire career. NOT ONCE... his lifetime FG% is sub 45%, which is average. That means he shot a lot... that is all. In the Laker's first 3 championships, 2 of which were legit, he wasn't even close to being the best guy on the team, with Shaq being the most dominant player in the league in those years. Kobe wasn't even in the same league as Jordan or even LeBron for that matter... BTW, LeBron is working on his 10th season I believe shooting over 50% from the field, and of course, his triple-doubles are light years ahead of Kobe, and a long ways ahead of Jordan also... LeBron is the closest thing to Jordan, except he doesn't have Jordan's heart and drive and quiet leadership skills, which takes him down a lot in the spectrum, but still far ahead of Kobe
Jordan is the GOAT and Kobe is right behind him. I don’t care who is 3rd
@@FreedomFighter2112 basketball is a team sport, you’re giving team accomplishments to individuals.
@@georgegraboske3725 Wilt is #1 … Kobe was only an all-star at avoiding traffic.
I don't see Jordan when I watch LeBron,When watching LeBron, i see Magic..I see Jordan when I watch Kobe..at the end of the day..they are all great players 👍
Lebron is different of jordan and kobe lebron is GOAT
LeBron is nothing like magic... Completely different styles
@@ahfei6847 facts, absolutely disrespectful to compare magic to lebron, magic was filthy lebron is not
@@stephengilramirez7214 in your dreams kid
Sooo True 💯💯💯💯🔥🔥🔥🔥
It's fun to discuss, but so subjective. We are so fortunate to watch highlights from so many players whose talents are so incredible!
MJ is objectively the GOAT
Its weird how NBA players who’ve seen them play put Kobe over Lebron yet the media tries their best to say that Lebron is over Kobe
NOT TRUE KOBE WILL ALWAYS BE BETTER NO MATTER WHAT MEDIS SSY
Because money is in now
Lebron clearly better
Larry Bird would mind eff them both and walk away with the MVP
Cos Lebron has way better stats than Kobe, Kobe's finals stats are abysmal he only had 1 really good goat type finals series in 2002 the rest were below average shooting.
LeBron said by him bringing Cleveland the 1st Championship made him the GOAT. M.J. did the same w/ Chicago and bringing that same team 6 Championships.
Can't agree more
You know... at the end of the day I guess it doesn't really matter. But I think the reason it bothers me so much is because I don't think Lebron has the qualities of a champion. I think Lebron is weak under pressure and a poor leader. He takes credit for success and blames the people around him whenever he fails.
Quite simply, Lebron does not possess the values that set a person apart as "The greatest of all time".
People don't realize when they put Lebron James up there as "The greatest of all time" they are actually devaluing the very meaning of the word.
There are a few players over the years that I think displayed a toughness and determination that no one else had. I think Kobe was one of them, so was Bird, so was Magic, and MJ is at the pinnacle of them all. There are probably a few others, Kareem and Bill Russell come to mind. Maybe Tim Duncan. But it's a short list. And I don't think Lebron is on that list.
MJ the goat but Bron was saying he bought back a championship by beating the greatest record of all time 73-9) beating the greatest team made him the goat is what he's saying
LeBron sounded so dumb and stupid after he said that. I think even LeBron himself realized how dumb and stupid he sounded after he said that
I watched all three of these guys and by far I’m taking Jordan over the two! But, Kobe would definitely be my #2 LeBron #3
Lebron probably is in the top 10.
No
Exactly
@@sovanpattnaik9820 then who?!? Kobe #1?!?
💯
Kareem, Bill Russell, and Dr J , all are goats !
Different mentalities. MJ never took even a minute off. From 86-91, 5 seasons, MISSED ONE TOTAL GAME. The second 3-peat after baseball, MISSED ZERO GAMES. Nobody in this era has that mindset to ever approach Jordan's greatness.
Think Kobe had same mindset.
Stokton though
@@Mexecho Yes Kobe did. Definitely not Lebron.
@@chibill467 Might as well add Karl Malone (slippery slope)
Sick mentality retiring in your prime…
MJ never took a night off. I live in Sacramento and clearly in Jordan's era the Bulls did not need him to play to get the W vs the Kings but Jordan still laced em up every single time he came to Sac. Mad respect. Watching MJ and Mitch Richmond go at it was a pleasure.
mfker he literally retried for 2 years lmfao
@@ArigatoGyrooso what. Took 2 years off to play another sport. Came back an won 3 more. Was still unstoppable an the greatest after taking 2 years off. Lebron has never been the greatest or best player a single season he has played. He cant win 3 straight even 1 time.. damn sure couldn't take 2 years off an come back an even win 1 damn sure not 3. He's a joke
@@daviddavis3684 Way to totally miss the point genius.
C Mitch n Oakland
@@ArigatoGyroo He was forced to due to gambling. He was sooo big that they couldn't just ban him, so he was forced out for 2 years. Look what happened when he came back. He and his team won 3 straight championships AGAIN....If that doesn't tell you how great he was, then I don't know what does.
When you are good at something, you'll tell everyone. When you are great, they'll tell you - Walter Payton
Great quote…Also, MJ didn’t do the maintenance thing where you get days off, also Lebron’s early non killer instinct mind set… flops, used to defer to take the big shot. He can never change his history.
MJ Kobe then LeBron. MJ and Kobe are the same but Mike has bigger hands so he gets the edge.
@@og6951 False narrative, Lebron was more of a killer in his first stint with the Cavs. Making the right basketball play is not lacking a Killer instinct, Lebron also has the most game-winners in playoff history, not bad for a player who doesn't have a killer instinct. Kobe had a killer instinct and is one of the most inefficient superstars, of all time!
My favorite quote from Chamberlain on why Jordan couldn't be the NBA goat was this one, “The difference between you and me is that they had to change the rules for me so I couldn't dominate. They changed the rules so that you could.”
Yeah but wilt also never respected anyone being better than him. As great as wilt was and how much respect he carries, he just doesn't accept that someone was better. Wilt was one of the best Bigs but oh be damned if he was anything close to Jordan, Kobe talent. Wilt didn't shoot beyond five feet and 90% of his shots were dunks, layups, and putbacks.
MJ's game is beauty to watch, all moves are smooth but so effective at the same time. There will never be another Mike 🐐
Correct,
GOAT MJ👍
Kobe Bryant
Yeah, there will never be another mike tyson💪💪
@@rockyherreralapore5897 true again 😁
As a Knicks fan that grew up in the 90s, I’ve seen each player in their prime and MJ is most certainly a cut above. And this is coming from someone that wishes I could say someone was better. MJ crushed my dreams every year in the playoffs
Everytime, Smh. We threw the kitchen sink at this dude and he killed us and everybody else, and made it look good while doing it. GOAT and its not even close.
@@mob2544 I agree. This is a very mature take. But I’m not eager to say anyone is better than Jordan.
@@mob2544 I agree. This is a very mature take. But I’m not eager to say anyone is better than Jordan.
Knicks fan here, I know your pain well
Grew up in Chicago and yeah…we hated you knicks!
Michael Jordan is above them and they know it. The phase “the Michael Jordan of” became a thing in society and it signifies excellence in whatever field. Kobe, Lebron and whoever else that came after. Are excellent no doubt in their own right but Jordan was in his own league there’s no denying it. Others going to bed, Jordan still playing ball after all the crowd left. Others can reach the summit but Jordan will forever be the mountain.
If I was 19 and never seen MJ play and watched a bunch of clips I could still figure out who he was🐐
The moment was never too big for MJ. I saw LJ look small in the finals. MJ never let that happen.
Yea lebron disappearing against the mavs in the finals and also disappearing against the celtics the year before is hard to defend. All i can say for lebrons case is after that mavs series he never disappeared during the playoffs again. Mj and kobe are really different than lbj though and kobe had some failures but it wasnt lack of trying. I mean kobes first playoff series he air balled three 3s and got eliminated because of it. That could of ruined most teens but he just worked harder. And during game 7 against the celts where he obviously had a horrendous shooting night he never got deterred after three quarters of poor shooting he still put up 10 in the 4th which was more than anyone else on either team and he got 15 rebounds in the game.
@@marioturcotte7938 yeah im not a lebron guy myself but one thing that i always will give him credit for is since 2011 he has almost always delivered.
😂😭His team way by far better, what do you mean. He never faced a team that posed any real threat. That’s a hard task. I watched those finals live, dude the teams are anything near the Bulls. The Bulls could’ve won without MJ.
@@lees5953 "bulls coulda won without mj" 🤡🤡
@@koshinaden263 😂If you get them nuts of your mouth. I just need a yes or no did the Bulls make a deep playoff run and almost make the east finals? Boy MJ wasn’t anything without Scottie. Scottie take the best player ever night. 🤡is your seed.
"I don't get 5 championships here without him" - Kobe's comment about Michael Jordan 🐐 in the Last Dance Documentary
That's why their gameplay were almost identical but kobe had his own style.
Kobe Bryant showed he could do it without Shaq, Michael Jordan left to play basketball and when he came back he went back to Pippin instead of going somewhere else to show he could do it without Pippin, Kobe said that in the last dance to be a nice guy, but Kobe still did it, and Michael Jordan fans take that to heart just because Kobe said that, go watch the video where Michael Jordan told Kobe you can wear the shoes but your not going to be the man and the next game they played Kobe just walked all over Jordan, Kobe was better than Jordan and he proved it, just because Kobe didn't have great teammates to win more championships, but Jordan always had Pippin, face the facts
Jordan's right no one can say who's the greatest of all time because the greats never played against each other in there prime
@@hashmoncrief6965 When did Kobe prove that? Walked all over Jordan when?! I hope you're not referring to prime Kobe vs 40 yr old Wizard Mj.
@@philipstrotherjr8842 nah latter years of Chicago. Kobe did own him than. Still end of career though
Webber said it all for me. For me what separates Mj and Kobe from others is the there absolute killer instinct.
lebron is a better all around player easily
@@brentw0681 Wake up
@@brentw0681 Could only be said by someone who never saw MJ play... pure ignorance.
@@brentw0681 dude stop😂 Jordan couldn’t be stopped… i can name multiple teams and players who have stopped Lebron… golden state is lebrons worst nightmare
@@TheBaptist07 the pistons stopped jordan's 3 times.
Jordan was truly an unstoppable force of nature. I’ve never seen an athlete like him in any sport. Guess that’s why he was ranked greatest athlete of the 20th century.
For those wondering why Kobe got left out for a while.. during his career, he played the villain so well that much of media. They didn’t start to really give him his flowers til he was about to retire.
So spot on ! They wanted him out of the sport but how when your the best
he was a selfish player for much of his career, especially early on.. sorry, but its true..
@@soramirez5473 shouldn’t take away from his achievements
@@rogeliouribemusic no, but if im picking a team to win it all, i will pass on him for less selfish players.. I will say that he is the 2nd best shooting guard of all time.. so unless Im having two shooting guards, he wont be in my starting 5..
Lbj is always trying to call himself which is a joke. Kobe n mj nvr needed to
I think the difference is really between the mentality of Kobe and Mike brought vs the mentality Lebron brought. Jordan and Kobe were competitive at everything. They hated losing more than anything. I don’t think they were as obsessed with being the best of all time but instead they wanted to be the best player on the floor at all times. I honestly think that’s why Kobe retired. I think he didn’t want to be the second or third best player in the league.
LEBRON WILL NEVER BEAT KOBE AT ANTHING HE DON'T HAVE THE MENTITY
kobe admitted after he retired he didn’t hoop much because he found it useless since he wasn’t trying to be the best anymore at that part of his life
I disagree with your comment about kobe's retirement,he retire because of his achilles injury,I wonder what will happens to lebron if kobe will play 2 to 3 more yrs. I dont think that he will be aknowledge😂😂😂😂😂
The injuries that he has forced him to retire even he does'nt want to..
But Kobe quit against the suns
I’ve watched all three and love all three but Jordan was the most insane thing I’ve ever watched! I’m not forgetting Kareem, Magic and Larry! Those are my eras! Wasn’t alive to see Elgin Wilt and Bill! All great in their own right! Jordan just had a little something extra!
1:56, Jaylen Rose puts LeBron ahead of Larry Bird? The human highlight film? He must be on something. I saw Bird over 100 times when he played. I saw a rookie Michael Jordan, Magic, Kareem, Dr. J et al. I saw Bird do things that defied logic. He also won 3 titles, all with the same team, unlike LeBron.
I'm from New Zealand 🇳🇿 and watched the Lakers v Celtics Series LIVE on our t.v network for free, man the greatest feeling ever!
Magic on the fast break was scintillating! Just pure genius! Kareem's sky hook, and the solid James Worthy.
But Bird! WOW! Fundamentals too the tee! Beautiful mover with the ball and so efficient. I reckon one of the best dummies ever when he'd fake! He was so competitive he was verging on insanity I reckon 😂 But man Bird was Game! Chances are, with Bird in your team you were going to win.
When lbj says he's the greatest player of all time dude on his left says no.
Yeah he no the 🧢 is real
Can not carry Mr Russel's shoes. Only half the character. They know nothing of racism which they bitch about 24/7. Russel never kissed no Chinese ass.
More like hell no 🤣
Yeah, anytime you call yourself that, you automatically take yourself out of the discussion. When everybody else says it, then you know you are that guy.
Lol. He was 3-4 in the finals when he said that bullshit...he is 4-6 now...Kobe went 5-2 and MJ went 6-0...
Kobe and MJ both did it without chasing any of those rings to other cities.
Jordan by far. He was a assasin on both sides of the court. Extremely letal in big games. Not only imposed himself by sheer ability, plus by his mentality. That's the origin of Mamba Mentality.
Jordan 1 and Kobe 2.
@@bamajeff7988 Jordan is goat. Kobe second best SG. Not 2 greatest of all time.
@@TheGr8-1 Who better than Kobe?
@@bamajeff7988 Jordan, Kareem, Russell, Magic, Bird, Bron, Shaq, Duncan, Hakeem, Wilt.
@@TheGr8-1 How can have Magic when he played with 5 HOFers. Yeah, you just a hater. Hard to say 1person is great while having somebody he played with 2 spots behind him like Kareem and Magic who played n in the same dam team. You not just a hater, you don’t know shit about basketball 😂
I just love listening to Michaels humble comments about feeling embarrassed and cringing when people declare him as the greatest of all time. He said nobody knows because he never got the chance to play against Chamberlain or Russell. His response was amazing❤
He sure doesn't feel embarrassed calling himself the goat lol because he has before he also told a player to not disrespect black Jesus
One interview doesn't reflect the entirety of his character or establish a standard.
@@OldManLuffy I never heard MJ say that he is the GOAT unlike Lebron. The black jesus thing was just trash talk cause he acknowledges his own skills.
@@OldManLuffy lol jordan was trash talker and bird called him that a guy jordan looked up too. You dont call yourself a name its giving to you.
@@ssor2816 bird called him that like I said name is giving
I love how LBJ said that in front of a friendly crowd and no one jumped in to agree with him. They let him explain himself while they scratched their heads.
Kobe even said out of his own mouth, "There's No five championships for me without Mike.....Period"
#1 MJ
#2 Kobe
#3 LeBron
So he lost those times as the favorite on purpose?
bron is two, he dominates kobe in almost every stat
Bron is like Super Vegeta, where kobe and jordan are SS2 Goku and Gohan. We all know whose better.
@@azneau28 obviously not.
Kobe is top 10 and lebron is top 2
I can settle the debate. Several years before MJ retired the media started asking who’s the next MJ. They gave the title of next MJ to multiple players including Kobe and Lebron. Nobody is asking who the next Kobe or Lebron is. And after Lebron retires the debate will start again, who is the next MJ?
Exactly.
I will tell you why this debate is very complex .
Kobe and LeBron might just have reach the " Jordan level " . Greatness , clutchness in the most important times , and titles .
Kobe proved it by winning 2 more title after shaq left . He did it against a Celtics team with , Kevin Garnett , Paul Pierce , ray Allen and rondo . 1 vs 4 and with a broken finger. This accomplishment is unmatched .
LeBron is the most complete player of all time . His best ability is his assist game . But he can dunk , and shoot 3 point . He can do it all . LeBron early miami was the best player of all time . He could jump higher than. Jordan , dunk stronger , was leading in assist and defense . He also won 3 title in 3 different teams . Each time final mvp .
So now we have 3 level of greatness .
And we are witnessing the 4 the level of greatness stephen curry the best shooter of all time .
Kobe had the mind , because he didn't have the body like MJ .
MJ had the body , the mind and the skills.
LeBron had , the individual skills , the teamates skills , the body , the longevity .
And curry is making everyone want to shoot more 3s
I am.. the LG is gonna be dead in 3 years when lbj is gone
@@isaaspirit9895 Nicely put wirh the arguments and the analysis.
But it's not complex, you pretty much summed it up, MJ is the greatest easily.
Perfectly said I don’t think I’ve ever heard this argument ended like that and I couldn’t agree more!!!!!
When MJ was on the court we all believed anything could happen, we all expected something amazing and never before seen things to happen….and it did! We don’t expect that from LJ, because he hasn’t proved it consistently like MJ. With LJ we get to see some amazing things here and there…but not consistently. MJ is the GOAT
Disagree
Were you lucky enough to watch MJ’s career?
@@xaviersanchez299 yes I was. Well, at least from about 1988 to his last game with Wizards
Not consistently
He was in Convo for MVP last year at 36, Bron was lol. MJ was horrible at 36 in Washington. C'mon man. MJ can be the goat without lying on Bron. He's Mr consistent! That's why he's talked about as at least #2-5 greatest ever from just about everybody. You made that up🤣🤣
they give their heart and speak the truth to the answer at the same time try not to disrespect, losing media jobs, and generate hates from the media, that's so hard to do nowadays.
Allen Iverson echoed my sentiments exactly, "What, they forgot about him?" Every time I hear this MJ vs. LBJ conversation it makes my taint convulse when they just forget about The Black Mamba. So disrespectful. Glad the players know. They played against them and saw them up close and personal - not the media or these fan boys.
The Legend was always bashed by the media
No respect for Larry legend here.
@@reno11558 he ain't in same conversation as MJ n Kobe
@@SilentMovements305 he’s certainly in the top 5, Larry demanded the last shot, James never seemed to want it. Riley said I’d pick MJ to take the last shot to win a game, I’d take Larry’s last shot to save my life.
@@reno11558 top 10 yea top 5 questionable last minute shots yea I go wit MJ Kobe n bird. Lebron isn't trust worthy the thing wit lebron is he was a "freak" athlete but if you notice his game has never changed since coming into the league all dunks n pick n rolls thats y his field goal percentage is up there. Not a bird fan but the man elevated his game switched it up couple times n played against the ShowTime Lakers even he lost he did a number on Magic
When MJ came to your city, he sold out every Arena. Meaning, people come out just to see him preform. That's something we can't say about LBJ nor Kobe. The reason Kobe is lost in the MJ & LBJ conversation, that's because of the media, and this millennial generation! I'll take Kobe over LBJ any day!
Shaq plays a role in that too
Big Facts
@LYVE 1992 what killed kobe is after Shaq he never had an all star on his team. And still managed. If he played in this league or had this talent round him hes winning every year. All he needed was somone who was efficient and aggressive to take half that load off.
Bro staples center was always sold out when Kobe was playing wtf do you mean 🙄
@@halfdeadbahgz1775 they comparing gasol & Odom to wade bosh ray , Kylie k love & Davis rondo vs nobody just to move lebronze pass Kobe.
My fav clip on this video… When AI was speaking on leaving Kobe out of greatest comparison. “what they forgot ??”
Classic ‼️😤💯
Players back then didn’t care if they got tired. They didn’t take games off
MICHAEL JORDAN RAISED THE BAR ON THE NBA AROUND THE WORLD 🌎
NO ONE IS TALKING ABOUT THAT 🏆
Yup, the dream team has produced ALL of these euro players! Thank you Mike
Actually John Stockton pointed to that.
MJ had zero weaknesses. Not a single one. He was either pretty good, or great at everything. Kobe was extremely close.
1-MJ
2-KB
His weakness was the weak competition. MJ losing to the 2007 spurs, 2011 Mavs , and 2017 GSW.
@@jaybro2285 excuse me?
@@jaybro2285 MJ’s 1996 Bulls are way more talented than every single team you just named.
@@kuplar3748 yea bro MJ's 1996 bulls were better than Steph Curry, Klay Thompson, Kevin Durant, Draymond Green, Iguodala... insane supporting cast, MJ's teammate as COACh
@@jaybro2285 MJ had weak competition? What about Celtics who played with 5 hall of famers, Bad Boys Pistons, Knicks (with Patrick Ewing), Orlando Magics (with Shaquille O'Neil) and the Indiana Pacers (with Reggie Miller).
Look at this video ua-cam.com/video/tl3mR6eoEa8/v-deo.html and tell me how LBJ is the better player. Sure, the vid was made in 2020 so it doesn't account for last years season where LBJ improved with one additional MVP.
I'm just gonna say if MJ came straight out of high school playing the way he did as a rookie, never retired, and injured he would have the scoring record that probably no one can catch. Remember he only played 13 HEALTHY years and and got scoring titles for 10 of them averaging 30+ pts
If he played in this era he'd average 50
That’s a huge what if though, he didn’t do you gotta judge based on what we know.
@@Knight23able ik. I'm going by how I saw him play. He averaged over 30pts a season, I dont think that have stopped tho
I agree to 30 points times 82 games times 17 seasons and see what you comes up with watch mj numbers lol 😂 40 plus thousands points maybe close to 48 thousands points
You forget he played 82 full games every year for most of his career in a more physical nba league. The one that calls himself the goat barely played full seasons
When they said the hardest to guard is because they never played against Larry legend
Anyone who actually thinks James is the GOAT. Was born after 2000. Facts 😂
I won't argue there. Lol.
Not facts
Anyone who thinks MJ is the GOAT was born in the 80s, and use old head logic to try in validate their argument. When most players in today's league are better shooters and better shot creators.
@@imnick693 1999. Michael Jordan is the best. Where that argument goin now?
@@maestrosock9360 you didn’t even see mj play so you just meat riding lmao.
In the Early days of the NBA, there wasn't much question who the best basketball player was. It was Wilt, and nobody questioned it. Then guys like Kareem, Dr J, Bird, Magic came along and people started to make arguments about one being better than the other, but no definitive answer to who was the greatest. They were all great in their own right. Stars of the league, and legends of the game.
When Jordan came along, it was like something out of a writer's room. Within his first month as a Bull, people began to take notice of this kid who was absolutely dominating everyone. Nobody could stop him. The minute that man laced up his shoes for the first time and hit that court, he was already talked about with the likes of the greats. People questioned, just how good could this kid get? Years went by and Jordan never waivered from that mark as the best basetball player of his time. Pushed past Magic and Bird, and stood at the top of the mt. rushmore of 1980's and 1990's NBA.
There was a time before Jordan where it was debated who was the best ever, when Jordan arrived, there was no longer a debate. He broke the game. now, over 20 years after he retired from the game of basketball, people still compare the stars of the league and legends of the game to his name. He will forever be the greatest basketball player to ever walk the Earth. Players will come and they will pass, but whoever joins the game today knows there is only 1 name they will compare yours too, no matter how great you are. And you know what that name is.
Hogwash.
there is... its mj... by far...
Bill Russel deserves a mention. By far the most successful NBA player ever. I recommend the video “Making the case-Bill Russel” for more
Let me add to this... he's not only the greatest basketball player of all time, but the greatest athlete of all time. There was nothing like MJ back in the 90s
@@sheriffdraws8789 Bwahaha ha ha ha. Greatest athlete of all time. He lost thousands of dollars to a golf hustler and spent two years in the minors because he couldn't hit a curve ball. He was also unreliable shooting from outside. He could drive and dunk. That's it.
Legends and Players who actually played in NBA: MJ, Kobe, Lebron
The media and others: MJ, Lebron, Kobe
Lebron: I am the greatest
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Kobe and MJ: NBA record 9 first team All-NBA defensive selections.
This is a fantastic debate! Here’s my take on the GOAT using a unique analogy:
Steel Analogy:
• Michael Jordan is like high-carbon steel: the gold standard for strength and durability. His six championships and relentless competitive edge make him the benchmark for greatness.
• Kobe Bryant is like stainless steel: resilient and versatile. His five championships and “Mamba Mentality” reflect his enduring impact and ability to shine in various roles.
• LeBron James is like alloy steel: enhanced through diverse elements. His versatility and success across different teams highlight his all-around excellence.
Diamond Analogy:
• Michael Jordan is a flawless diamond: the pinnacle of purity and brilliance. His illustrious career and iconic performances set the ultimate standard in basketball.
• Kobe Bryant is a VVS1 diamond: nearly perfect, reflecting his exceptional skill and dedication. His remarkable achievements and resilience shine through like the high quality of this diamond.
• LeBron James is a VS1 diamond: exceptional quality with minor inclusions, symbolizing his versatility and comprehensive skill set. His ability to excel in various roles showcases his resilience and adaptability.
Why Michael Jordan is the GOAT:
When we talk about the GOAT, we’re referring to the player by whom all others are judged. Just like high-carbon steel sets the highest benchmark for strength and a flawless diamond represents ultimate brilliance, Michael Jordan is the standard of greatness in basketball. His six championships, five MVP awards, and unmatched competitive spirit make him the definitive GOAT.
MJ transcended the NBA. Greatest ever!
The thing I love about Jordan, is that he never said it himself. Because of the respect he has for all of the greats that came before him. Because you can't go back in time to play against someone in their prime. All those guys who were there before you are the ones who inspired you! Only the world can call you the goat, not yourself.
leflop: 2016 made me goat, im special!
Incorrect
Exactly
he said it himself multiple times, tf you on
@@karmaskavern3131 send a link to video
MJ is the greatest player! The Skill, killer instinct, fundamentals, accolades, and the WILL to win at all cost. !
Kobe a close second for me
@@andy1982222 facts M.J #1 Kobe #2
No argument there. Even jordan said the only one who can beat him was kobe, the one who copied his moves.
Lol you guys are idiots if you think Kobe is 2nd. You can make a pretty good argument that he is not even top 10 all-time. I’d put him 7th at best.
It was an absolute refusal to lose from Jordan and players now have nowhere near then determination and Competitive/Killer Instinct he had and that’s just one thing that sets him apart
FACT: TD gets lost in this small man (non-center)GOAT conversation.
I forgot who said this. “When you beat Lebron, it was good strategy. When you beat Michael, that was just luck.” That to me proves MJ is undisputed goat.
That actually proves.. you know NOTHING about basketball.
@@luka5465 Care to explain how?
@@lexibrowning7447 because somebody just made that up and you believing it makes it worse
@@luka5465 care to elaborate?
@@chevyskinner7492 what do you mean.. care to elaborate lmao are you reading what I’m reading?? Just cause someone says something doesn’t PROVE anything.. it’s pathetic with you Jordan fanboys
I appreciate Mike recognizing the guys before him I never seen Mike that humble before
If Jordan played in today's game, he'd have averaged 45+ ppg. Kobe was a great, LeBron is great, Bill Russel had an outstanding run... but MJ was on another level when it came to talent and competitiveness.
nowadays u can score 45 and lose
@@ohiomadejay 🎯🎯🎯
Kobe was as good as MJ , more skilled, he just faced greater and more athletic players than Jordan had to face. The fact that with a Shaq and Kobe led team they lost to the Pistons shows you how good the Pistons were Defensively.
@@ohiomadejay back in the day, Mr. Jordan scored 60+ and the Bulls still lost.
To me I want to say Lebron cause out of those 3 he is the only one to make regular players play at a higher level. The one thing he dosn't have over the other 2 is what you just mentioned which is competitiveness. Sometimes Lebron looks scared of the bright light
LeBron and Kobe still haven’t passed up Tim Duncan. C’MON MAN.
I watched all their careers and I can say it’s jordan .. with out a doubt .. he was just different.. drive and athleticism were off the charts
Ok after Jordan who else do you have? Kobe or bron?
i mean kobes right there with drive, i mean his work ethic was honestly unmatched
Agreed I'm a Sonic's fan and grew up hating MJ. Still he's the GOAT. It is what it is.
@@matthewgabbana1478 kobe
@@VeryVeryConfused unfortunately his work ethic was all individual and didn't help him understand how to utilize his teammates.
I've watched all 3 of their careers from the start. Jordan as a freshmen in college, Kobe and Lebron in high school. (1) Jordan, (2) Kobe, (3) Lebron. As a footnote, when Lebron was a rookie, I predicted he would become the GOAT..... but he never passed those two, and I don't base ANY of it on the number of rings. I'm talking pure basketball skill!
Well, on skill, you need to add others before James. Bird, for one. And I agree with you-playing more seasons (accumulating more stats) shouldn’t change the order. We’ve seen enough.
@@jordan-xe2yb This video is about Jordan, Kobe and Lebron... why would I add Bird or anyone else to the list? I'm responding to the video...
@@cnelsonlv99 since the video is only about those three and you mentioned skill - if going off basketball skills alone the order would have to be Kobe, then Jordan and Lebron not even close to those two.
@@jimmulcahey9312 Lebron is not close, that's correct. Jordan is ahead of Kobe because of Jordan's dominance going to his left, which was a weakness for Kobe.
I am a Laker fan to my very core, but Michael Air Jordan is the best player that I ever seen to play the game ( especially @ his size ) and the over all talent and adversity that he had to go through and endure, placed him in a class all by himself.
Same in every way.
100 percent correct
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I was a Magic Johnson fan & Lakers fan. So I hated on Jordan while he was playing. With that said I couldn’t agree more. He’s def the best I’ve ever seen. He’s a stone cold killer. Didn’t sit out games Bc it was the 2nd of a back to back. 6 finals, 6 rings, never even let it get to a game 7.
MJ turned a losing team into the most dominating team in the NBA. Turned millions of people into fans of basketball. Lebron picked a winning team was not able to make the difference himself. Takes games off. Mike brought it every game no matter what, never did he consider a game not important. Most influential player ever.
Lebum is a ring chaser.
Watching Lebron call himself the greatest of all time twice, made me cringe so hard
Add a third now
Sometimes money can go to one's head.
Lebron is a great player.
Michael Jordan is the best I've seen on the court.
He did things on the court
That were just amazing.
Besides all the championships, Jordan
Plays made great players
Look average.
@@drwakeup2407 Well said. As a 90's kid, I just remember Michael being a superior, more dominant force than his contemporaries, even the best ones
jordan contemporaries was knocking his ass out the playoffs.Until they started to retire and the league acquired expansion teams only did mj win.Lebron played in a way more advanced league him playing the Spurs,Golden State better than any team Mj played in finals those are facts.
@@wareagleauburn7721 Lebron having a losing record in the finals is a fact too. Keep making excuses for Lebron though. I'll take the opinions of players that actually played against both
MJ explained it perfectly, giving props to the greats he never played against.
Another reason why I hold MJ higher than Lebron.
That point about Kobe"s skill was a good point. My all time starting five: Magic, Michael, Larry, Bill and Wilt.
That’s a great lineup!
Imagine wilt and jokic as your bigs bro... You won't agree but I think having magic and jokic as the spacer with wilt and Jordan being the focal would be broken.
Shaq Rodman miller mj Stockton
Mj 6-0, Lj 8 straight finals appearances, Kb 81 points in a game...
"I have a competition problem" - MJ.
MJ played tougher competition. The east was rough during his era and they played a different kind of defense then. It was stop MJ no matter what even if you have to get him off the court by injury
@Not Robot funny thing also he calls his self the best but will not take the open shot at the end of a close game instead he will pass the ball to a teammate and if they lose the game he will be kicking over trash cans all the way to the locker room and blame his team for the loss
@Not Robot idk bro he has made the most clutch shots in history.
LeBron: "Winning that last one made me the greatest player of all time! I'm The King!"
Planet Earth: "No.. It's still Mike, so stop begging!"🤣
He is abit ahead of himself... Most people know how he won the title in 2016, 5 Cav players + 3 refs vs 5 Warriros players. Period.
I hate when people act like mikes the universal goat. Im a wilt guy
The Mickey mouse ring??? Lol.
@@billr5842 how’s that a Mickey mouse ring it wasn’t rigged or anything
@@billr5842 JUST. A
Bogut injury isn’t anything the suspension isn’t anything since dray came back the game after that sus
i would agree. kobe was insanely skilled. i still think jordan was thr best ever overall, but kobe was really incredible to watch too. i have always thought kobe is underrated on the best player list. i would personally put kobe ahead of lebron without a doubt. the dude just didnt miss
Kobe was a volume shooter, he actually missed a lot
@@m.r.daileyii1180facts lol
Except in the clutch. He was a choke.
@@JoeKoOhNo not against the kings
Bullshit
Mike has a college championship, 6 nba championships , 2 3peats and back 2 back slam dunk contest. Who's better?😂
The last minute of the video provides the conclusion. One shameless self promotion completely divorced from reality and one humble and respectful admiration of those who come before.
This. 100%
Very well said, if I could put it into words that's what I would say. Humble
MJ is the least humble athlete I've ever seen, but he did show humility there.
I personally think MJ is probably better than LeBron, but like Mike said; nobody knows. Players from different eras, playing different positions, with different supporting casts, different injury history, different rules, different competition, etc. LeBron's claim is not "completely divorced from reality." You can make the argument that he's the more complete player, that he's more consistently been a better team player, that he doesn't score as well, but is the all time leading scorer, while also getting more assists and rebounds, and that he had tremendous success in getting to about a million Conference Finals in a row with far less surrounding talent than MJ had when he won 6 titles. And LeBron did that across 3 different franchises with several different coaches as well. LeBron's sustained greatness for two decades is only rivaled by Kareem. Maybe it could've been by MJ but he left for baseball for almost 2 full seasons, missed almost an entire year when he was very young, and retired from the Bulls with a lot left in the tank before coming back an old man with the Wizards. Had he not done that, maybe he would be the all time leading scorer - but he's not. MJ was a far better defender, but not a better passer or rebounder.
People that try to make this a clear cut answer are missing a lot of nuance. MJ ruthlessly bullied his own teammates - would I want that if I were starting a franchise? No.
insane
@@isaiahayers1550he is the leading scorer for 1 reason only and that’s he played longer than everybody in the league so that shouldn’t even be part of the debate.
Kobe was in the toughest conference probably in NBA history. 2000-2010 western conference had the most complete teams, and hof players. First half of that decade Kobe and Shaq owned it, second half Kobe won 2 chips out of the 3 times he went to the finals. 7 of those 10 years he went to the finals and lost only 2 times to teams that had 4 all stars on each roster
Well said! This is definitely not on any existing stats before and even now. STATS are always one sided. Or probably i am wrong.
Are there any stats that can calculate how many great players on each CONFERENCES?
Even his road to the finals was fucking crazy. Warring with the Spurs, Suns, Mavs.
Some seasons, you didnt make the playoffs out west without 50+ games.
To put it this way, LeBron had to beat Ben Wallace led teams and Paul George led teams. He lost outright to Dwight Howard. The only true challenge to nearly any team in the West was the Celtics, and they were old, and the Pistons, before LeBron could shoulder the load against a truly balanced squad.
Kobe was beating Duncan/Parker/Ginobli, Nowitzki, Nash/Amare/Marion, Carmelo, to even get to the Finals, where he was facing three hall of famers or whoever LeBron had lost to.
Nah. 80's East were harder. 80's East had Boston with Bird/Maravich, 76ers with Dr.J, Pistons with Thomas/Laimbeer/Rodman/Dumars, Bulls with Mj/Scottie, Knicks with Ewing/cummings/Sparrow, Atlanta with Wilkins/Rivers/Wittman and so on.
@@Hinshu85 Yeah that 80s east was rough and rugged
Jordan, the MOST competitive athlete EVER, always deferred to players that came before him. He never called himself the best player ever, even though we all know he was. Pure class.
Yep, there was a huge contrast between that quote of LeBron declaring himself GOAT and Jordan talking about how he doesn't want the title cuz he can't compare himself to those who came before him. Nobody can declare themselves GOAT. I would rank them Jordan, Kobe, LeBron.
He called himself black Jesus. Wtf you on about
The difference between confidence and cocky.
Wilt and Russell are better. He’s in the league of Bird and Magic.
@@tungi_halmegi You don't know anything. Reggie trash talked MJ saying people think he can walk on water but could only score 12pts against him in the 1st half, but by the end of the game MJ owned him and fired back saying "Don't trash talk black Jesus". He was simply riding along the trash talk you dummy. When that story was told, his peers went along with it as praise. LeFlop Shames calls himself King, but nobody calls him that except the Media and his fanboys.
It's cool to hear vince pause, because I wouldn't be surprised if some guys actually said other guys name that they played against who they thought were better than some of those guess but either didnt care about championships or care about winning as much.
I never got to watch Mike, i know everything about him but i got to watch Kobe and... i've never felt more privileged to watch a basketball player.
The Jordan I know was on the wizards. But Kobe was special.
@Jermont Trice
Kobe was special. But MJ was waaaayyyy more special. Trust me. Being a kid in the 80’s and 90’s watching MJ was a work of art. I mean where do you think Kobe got his moves from. Who do you think Kobe trained with for years. MJ was just on a different level. And the biggest reason for that was his ability to control the ball. It was like Steve Jobs and Apple. Way before their time.
I get all that it’s gonna be different for everyone I would’ve like to see a 90s Jordan but being born in 92 and not getting into ball until 2000s I can’t say how great he since I didn’t see that version of him
@Jermont Trice I understand and mad respect
@@durriellhumphrey I mean you can always pay homage humbly but 20 years, 1 franchise, 5 rings, and scored more points then MJ with more injuries then him... im not saying Mike isn't a GOAT cause he was special. But to say Mike was way more special is a stretch. 81 points in game, 60 in his last game, 4th all time in scoring, if Kobe isnt better he's arms length.
Kobe took all his anger out on the league after that trial in '03. As a 6 yr old, I knew Kobe was something else b/c of what he was going through. This dude was hitting crazy ass shots, taking the ball coast to coast slamming on ppl with rage putting up impossible numbers going on so many scoring sprees in a harder era when defense was mad harder. Before 03' Kobe was a easy going cool laid-back kid, but after 03' you guys woke a monster and he never was the same. That's when the Black Mamba shit came in.. Dude saw red 🔴 and looked at everybody different. He's my GOAT.
Me too
Me 3.
The goat, with 2 finals MVPs, ok.
Me 4. I’m a biased, life-long Lakers fan, and Kobe is my GOAT. Kobe was more skilled than Jordan, but there would be no Kobe without Jordan.
That being said, there would be no MJ without Dr. J, and Jordan said that himself. Does that mean Dr. J is the true GOAT? NOPE. KB24 FTW. Black Mamba FOREVER🖤
@@Doin_the_Absolute_Most no mj without David Thompson also
Whenever you see the number 23 what's your first thought? I'm glad somebody other than I remembers Kobe. How LeBron skipped over Kobe is beyond me.
Jordan and Kobe top 2 most skilled players, watch the highlights and they are ridiculous, like jaw dropping
HE WILHIPPED HIM OVER AND OVER AGAIN.THSTS HOW .BRON WAY BETTER
lebron never played serious D,saving energy for offense,and to be the goat you have to have complete package.oh yeah and not to flop on point guards cos you lose your credibility.
@@peralozac4046 Micheal Jordan is the complete package. That's why he's the goat. Nobody and I mean nobody will or has ever called Tom Brady the LeBron James of football... haha that's even reads stupid. If you're the GOAT of any sport you're referred to as The Micheal Jordan of said sport.
I think Kobe gets skipped over because of a combination of Mike and Kobe’s careers overlapping, + recency bias from the younger generation of fans who have only ever known and seen LBJ play. So they’re the ones pushing the argument that LeBron is the GOAT. And in order to do that, they skip straight to the greatest who came before him to compare and make their case. But, if they had seen Mike play his whole career and had seen Kobe follow, there would be less controversy and Kobe would be getting the recognition he deserves. I don’t know a single person who has watched all of both MJ and LeBeon’s careers, and considers LeBron to be better than Kobe, much less MJ.
GOAT never had to make a claim because everyone knows he is
If you watch a HIGHLIGHTS REEL of all 3 of these guys, u can clearly see KOBE and JORDAN are far more superior than LEBRON when it comes down to PURE Basketball SKILL 🏀💯
It's because LBJ is built like a PF and plays SF in the era of perimeter players. MJ and Kobe were both guards playing in the era of dominant big men. MJ and Kobe needed to pull out real magic. LBJ simply drives to the basket and many times people rather dodge than commit a cheap foul.
Facts
@@jakubkrivanek3112 its because your a kid. You dont know basketball.
@@jakubkrivanek3112 Facts
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Why does it hit me so much when I hear them say Kobe.... I miss that goat
He retired in 2016. Did u keep contact with him after that? What u actually miss u weakminded fool
The Kobe disrespect always pissed me off. I've always had him over Lebron...who's lost more finals than he's won. Kobe 6-2. MJ 6-0
Kobe 5-2 , MJ 6-0 , LB 4-6
@@julioreynosa6924 jordan 1-9 playoffs before his savior pippen showed up
@J so in your narrative pippen is the goat? 🤣🤣🤣 C'mon man..
The whole lost more finals is a tired argument, especially when talking about Kobe. How many Finals MVP does Kobe have in comparison? How many NBA MVPs? I'm not saying Kobe should not be brought up, I'm saying bring a stronger argument.
@@tonyt6172 no, if that was the narrative bill russell would be the goat. jordan didnt start winning until pippen came around + he had incredible defensive players, he was getting swept 1st round before all that. he had a pefect storm which allowed him to shine. LBJ is the greatest player of all time
Its crazy cause during the 90{sit was who is better Michael Jordan, Dr. Jay, Jerry West or Elgin Baylor.
Michael would never say he was the greatest of all time, out of respect for other greats, and for different era's. There is one fact that is not up for debate...the man did more for the game of basketball, than any player has ever done for any other sport. My mother would not miss a bull's game, and she doesn't give a damn about sports. That's how great mike was
I respectfully disagree with an aspect of your comment. Michael did not do more for basketball than what Tiger did for golf.
Otherwise, I do think MJ is the best basketball player ever. This, coming from a Knicks fan.
@@mikeyrue tiger is definitely second imo, then probably gretzkey. Jordan took bball global, and as I am sure more kids around the world started to play golf because of tiger, not like they did with basketball because of Jordan. And old widows still weren't tuning into golf, tiger or no tiger, but they were when Jordan played. Especially the second 3 peat team. It was absolute can't miss tv. Tiger definitely did more for black kids wanting to play a sport, but they were already playing bball before Jordan. Plus Tiger put a pretty big stain on himself with his troubles. But we can agree to respectfully disagree 👊
@@PhoenixAscending You're right in that Tiger definitely sullied his reputation by getting knocked on the head by his ex- wife. His ultimate career results remains one of Sports' Enduring What-If questions.
MJ will forever be involved in the who's the GOAT conversation, simply because it's fun to contemplate.
One thing is for certain, regarding these two individuals... their level of greatness in their respective sports is legendary.
I feel very lucky to have been able to enjoy of their entire careers.
@@mikeyrue well said. Tiger's DUI didn't look good either. I could tell by the way his eyes looked for years that he was on something. Not nearly as durable as Mike either. But you're right, two amazing careers for sure
@@mikeyrue In a way, Tiger Woods is the Michael Jordan of golf. The gap between TIger's game and everyone else on the PGA tour, is like the gap between MJ and other NBA players.
Why it’s Michael for me is that, he loves basketball so much, I believe you could have not paid him a nickel and he would have went out on that court and put on the same show, the same effort. He loved, he exuded, he studied, he demoralized his enemy, he whipped his opponents with his effort, he beat you with a smile, he humiliated some, he taught others a lesson, he gave so much to the sport, he is the all time King of Basketball AND he did it every night. He loved his fans he enjoyed his opponents, and he pushed and taught his teammates, if you trash talked, he’d trash talk more, if you put one on him he put 5 on you. I was blessed to watch this wonderful man all my life. He made my life better. He’s an example for all. You can be at the pinnacle of your chosen profession! Live with a passion. Love those around you, contribute the best you can at whatever you do. That is his legacy. You can look at stats all day but MJ has the heart and his heart was number one all time in basketball. I don’t think there will ever be another like him in sports period.
Lebron don’t love the game?
@@RoyalViking465 no he was not he only played base ball cause his dad
@@Johenz not as much as Jordan and he wouldn't played for nothing
@@imabeast2334 Yes you are correct, I deleted my comment.
@@imabeast2334 because you know that right?
I love the narrative how Lebron ended Cleveland's 50 year drought when Mike ended bulls' 25 year drought while 3peating twice
I dont really get the use of the drought ending as an argument tbh. Like why should you be praised just because your team sucked before you even got there, its not like lebron had anything to do with the cavs that was losing in the 80s and 90s.
@@thomasriishojgaard5677 people forcing narratives to prove who they think is better
It's because LeBron made a "promise", which was kinda unprecedented...and he delivered on that promise.
Now the value of that is going to be different depending on who you're talking to; but for Cleveland, I'm sure it's a big deal.
LeBron was bringing $200M to Cleveland's economy when he was a Cavalier, and when he left, it was devastating.
@@thomasriishojgaard5677 shows what you had to deal with and how un established your the franchise is, top to bottom from the gm,coach, and the players around you, is all a reflection of droughts.
Give Lebron Phil Jackson and an all-time great teammate like Pip, also a lock down defender Rodman
The GOAT discussion should never existed. The real discussion should be who's second: Kobe or LeBron. The fact is MJ and Kobe never flopped and never quit on his team. 6-8 250 power forwards should never get knocked over by picks thrown by 5'10', 155lb point guards.