Battlestar Galactica Baltar Execution 1978 Deleted
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- Scenes initially planned and shot for execution of Baltar in the September 1978 three-hour pilot that was changed to spare his life and continue his character in the 1978-79 series
I was too young to appreciate it at the time, but sparing Baltar for the series was one of the better moves. John Colicos was probably the best thing about the show looking back.
I read an interview with him once. His first paying role was as the voice of God in a stage play. He said, “I started out as God and have been going downhill ever since.”
I’m glad to see that I’m not the only one to recall seeing Baltar’s execution in the theatrical version.
Yes, I remembered that scene as well. It was shown on UK TV in 1981/82 (I think) when the series began I wondered how Baltar was still alive, if memory serves, the end scene of Baltar being spared and given his own Basestar was shown in flashback in an episode. Or I could have totally misremembered and something different was on screen.
I thought I had seen Baltars execution, but then realized I had only read it in the Marvel Comics adaptation. While I watched the show when it originally aired on TV, I never saw it in the theater. I guess ones memory fades after 40 something years.
Same here, it was a bit shocking back then and I never forgot it, this is the first time seeing it again decades later.
It was only shown in the theatrical film version, which was released in the UK and may be Europe first, before the TV series was televised in those territories - and then the film versions were also televised there later after the series ended.
I remember seeing his execution in the theaters. Then I watched the TV episode, then I think before the sword strike, Imperius Leader either said wait or told them to take him away. Imperius Leader 2 spared him and told him to find the Galactica
John Colicos was absolutely brilliant in this series, playing the guy everyone loved to hate. Hard to believe he's been gone over 20 years now.
"Sir, I *really* think you should take a look at the other battlestar."
"WHAT other battlestar?!?! What are you ta- "
:D :D
One of my favorite bits in old Galactica.
ONe of the greatest actor in all scifi, ....I remember Colicos also like a klingon
@@pendarpr He was Commander Kor (Errand of Mercy) and the first Klingon (commander at least) to be shown in the Star Trek Universe on the TOS run. He along with the other two prominently named commanders Koloth {William Campbell} (Trouble with Tribbles) and Kang {Michael Ansara} (Day of the Dove) reprised their roles in STDS9 Blood Oath. Excellent actors.
the postman always rings twice! john colicos nick papadakis! and raid on rommel with richard burton
@@zebra1915He made a great Klingon. He ate up every scene he was in in Errand of ?Mercy. More so than even Shantner.
Most financial advisors will tell you that betraying the human race to killer alien robots is generally not the best long term strategy for a secure retirement.
How can you be sure that alien machines don't add so much "shareholder value" that you won't care about being dead, and your heirs can afford a nicer tombstone?
Logically Speaking.
lol have you seen my 401k ?
Actually, being that the markets are not entirely predicable, risk management is more important for the long term, rather than maximizing profit. As any good algorithm knows.
I for one welcome our new cylon overlords
I love the dialogue that preceded this scene:
Baltar "but what of our agreement? My colony was to be spared."
Supreme Leader "I now alter the agreement."
Baltar "How can you alter one side of an agreement?"
Supreme Leader "When there is no other side. You've missed the whole point of the war"
I am altering the deal. Pray I don't alter it further.
Did this traitor really expect that their mortal enemy would honor an agreement?
@@dixievfd55 he needed more faith
@@LBF522 That was the least believable thing of the whole premise. How anyone with a brain could possibly imagine that an enemy prepared to annihilate 11/12s of the colonies would stop short of completion. Then again, the whole premise of peace against a machine intelligence after a thousand years of war was equally ridiculous. Machines don't change their policies unless the facts change dramatically. That's what logic means.
@@Diverball1 I agree with your analysis.
The late Sir Patrick MacNee and the late John Colicos. Both incredible tians in the acting world, brought together on one spectacular, grossly underrated show. John Steed and Commander Kor. I adored them both, and miss them both terribly. We've lost so many incredibly talented actors, and we're being left with no-talent, self centered brats. No wonder I keep wanting to go back to the 80s all the time.(and yes, I know BSG came out in the late 70s; I watched it religiously! I'm still in love with Dirk Benedict!)
Two shows I enjoyed immensely in my youth. Star Trek TOS and The Avengers. (Still do.)
I had the pleasure to chat with John Colicos at a media reception many years ago. A very pleasant gentleman even if he had been a Klingon.
I saw him at a convention in Cleveland. That guy knew the industry inside and out. I could listen to him all week just talking about all of that.
😂😂😂 double evil!! 🤘
I bet you forgot to ask him if he went all giggly playing off another legend, Jonathan Harris (Lucifer)?
@@BlokeOnAMotorbike I asked about whether he had an interest/desire to go back to the Stratford Festival (in Ontario) that he'd been involved with in the early years. He politely skated around the subject.
"Surely, you don't mean me"
"Yes, I do. And don't call me Shirley."
Have you ever seen a grown man naked..
I'm reading that second line in the voice of the lead robot from the latter-part of the video (sorry, I didn't catch his name).
🤣😂🤣😂
Ever been in a Turkish prison?
It’s Don’t Call me Lawrence......just watch the movie Gettysburg.
John Colicos....what an amazing actor! Loved him as Baltar, and Kor from Star Trek.
Likewise Patrick McMee as the imperious leader. I loved as John Steed in another, oft times SciFi-ish show, The Avengers.
Great voice talent was so much more valued in those days.
Such a Great scene, and terrifying! This was so larger than life watching it first run. In this whole clip, The Late Greats of Patrcik McNee & John Colicos, and Jonathan Harris would be the voice of Luciffer! Even the Talented Ted Cassidy! Just Superb Acting!
I noticed Ted Cassidy as well. Remember him having some uncredited vocal work on the Star Trek TOS.
I didn't know Harris did Lucifer. Loved the voice, as I recall.
KutWrite - I always thought that was the guy who played Felix, Banacek’s main info source.
Ted Cassidy's voice of ...GOD rattling off the 10 Commandments to Charlton Heston as a burning bush . Oh and UA-camrs...Look Up .."Do the Lurch " 🤩
Ted was made by The Old Ones. He tended the machines . :D
John Colicos was a brilliant actor. He was Fantastic on *Battlestar Galactica*. He was also the first Klingon on *Star Trek*, he played also in SciFi Series like
*War of the Worlds* and *The Starlost*. And in 1981 unforgettable as Mikos Cassadine on *General Hospital* !
Patrick John even voiced aplyclypxe in the old x men cartoon from the 90s
@@zacharyjochumsen9677Really ?
Colicos had a role in The Starlost? I remember being enthralled by the concept of the series as a kid - will Our Heroes™ find a way to gain control of the ship before all that's left of humanity swan-dives straight into a star?" Pity it turned out so badly :D
@@mrz80 Yes, Collicos was in 1 episode in Starlost as a guest star. I have the dvd fron the series *The Starlost*. And the reason that this series was not as good, as it could have been was for several reasons. The financial cut, an author strike at that time in canada and a bad television airtime. I believe the main investors had gone away, also an unregulary tv airtime and when the main producer (as i remember) saw, that he could for this reasons not do, what he usually wanted with the show, he and other people steped back from the project. It could have been great, but the series was doomed from day 1. I'm probably one of the few germans who have seen the series, because i have buyd the dvd from the USA market. Nobody knows here in Germany that this series even exists. It came never on German TV.
He reprised his klingon role on Deep Space Nine as well.
This Baltar was PISSED when he saw all the action the reboot Baltar got.
John colicos died in 2000, and the miniseries was made in 2003, soooooo NOPE!!!
@@hotel3667 Did he really die though? Because Baltar died at the end of the movie and then was back in the rest of the series. So one can never quite truly be sure if John Colicos is dead.
Though I suspect Richard Hatch the original Apollo would have been more po'ed considering he tried so hard to reboot Battlestar Galactica with him in it as Apollo.
@@NatashaEstrada He got to be a better character than Apollo in the end.
That was a very funny comment, dude
So many thanks for sharing! Salutes from Puerto Rico!
AHH the great Patrick McNee as the voice of Imperious leader and Count Ibli.
Also did the opening narration.
@@BrotherDerrick3X Yep, the most interesting part of the whole series......
Makes you think about just who is telling the story of Galactica.
Patrick McNee - the best! As The Imperious Leader, as the opening voice of the Battlestar legend, as Count Iblis, as John Steed! The Best!
And dont forget Jonathan Harris aka dr smith as Lucifer
Ha ha his voice sounds like my local parish preist here in lreland 🤣
A single death was never enough for Baltar. I was hoping for something worse, so so sooo much worse. Baltar is the first character I ever remember having a deep, real, red hot hatred for.
No. That was anger. Red hot anger.
*I* will tell you what hate is.
Hate...is ice. It is patience. It is poison. It is a cancer that, once it takes root, can never be truly cut out. Too many confuse this with mere anger. It does things to the mind. It twists every thought you would have into that which would serve it. It leaves a stain on one's soul that can never be washed away. You may one day be able to let go of hate, but it will never let go of you.
me too
@@Robert_Douglass fuck
@@bigcazza5260 I do believe someone actually understands what I'm saying. Yes, I do speak from experience. This has happened to me before. Each day I live with regret for having allowed hate to take root within my heart. And because I once did it is always there, tempting me to give into it. Every day is a struggle against the darker angels of my nature. I have seen the Dark Side, and it is real. Not the Dark Side of the Force as depicted by Hollywood and the fictions of George Lucas, but the Dark Side that dwells within each of us. Each day I rededicate myself to renouncing hate and all thought of vengeance. There is one thing more powerful than vengeance, and that is forgiveness.
@@Robert_Douglass "i was born into darkness, you merely adopted it" - bane
I saw all three endings. In the feature film they killed Baltar. At the end of the TV movie premier they had the Imperious Leader spare Baltar and the colonies. At the beginning of the TV series they edited out references to show mercy to the colonies so Baltar could be an ongoing antagonist. Good times.
That's a horrific thought. Survivors on the home colonies enslaved to the cylons, with the one Battlestar that could help them moving on through the galaxy, not knowing such was going on. Gives me chills.
Baltar shot first!
Yes, I remember the cinema version too, because that was the first one I saw. Caused a lot of confusion when "Battlestar Galactica The Cylon Attack" came on and lo, there was Baltar again and I thought "Wait, didn't they execute him the las time around?" It was only later that I realised that this was a TV series and that the "movie" I had originally seen was the pilot.
patrick mcnee and John Colicos were brilliant as villains.
Don't forget another great, Jonathon Harris (aka Never Fear, Smith is Hear) as Lucifer. What a great match up. These three actors made the Cylons absolute bad-asses.
I loved Colicos as Kor in Star Trek: TOS.
I also loved Mcnee as John Steed in the 60's "The Avengers". Though he wasn't a villian there.
Villian or Hero, his characters always carried a level of class.
Patrick Macnee, The first Avenger,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, on TV.
@@credibility63 Extraordinary crimes against the people and the state have to be avenged by agents extraordinary. Two such people are John Steed, top professional, and his partner, Emma Peel, talented amateur. Otherwise known as The Avengers.
Loved that show. Especially the Mrs. Peel seasons.
To those who are confused by his apparent death/continuation in the series: the feature-length movie, which I presume was spliced from the series' pilots, had his death by sword as you see in the beginning; the camera pulls to the side as it zooms in with Baltar's pained expression. in the series, however, the scene plays out differently where he is surprised by his stay of execution and given his own Base Star
You know my Dad always had this theory, that Balter was killed! But was bought back as a cyborg!?
@@collinjames9201 they saved that idea for the reboot
John Calicos was a great Canadian actor with a knack for playing villian's.I believe he played one of the first Klingons in StarTrek "Day of the dove".
Wow, I never realized that was him.
The episode was called "Errand of Mercy".
@@my3dviews Thanks for the correction.I remember John playing a fine Klingon.Did he later appear on DS9 with two other actors whom were reprising their STO roles,in STNG era make-up ?! Queens Knight Level 2 to Kings Bishop level 3.....................................................
@@jymfysher7704 I agree. He was a very good actor and made a good Klingon. I know that he appeared in 3 episodes of DS9 as Kor (again), not sure about the other actors.
Here is a clip of one of the DS9 episodes with him in it:
ua-cam.com/video/1kbAYULa20I/v-deo.html
@@my3dviews Excellent research my friend !Perhaps some day we will meet again to challenge each other's Trek lore over some Klingon Blood Wine !!
I saw the Battlestar Galactica original movie in theaters it show here at the bullhead city Arizona movie theater also with buck Rogers in the 25 century to it was AWESOME
Cool times...
I remember seeing both of those in the theaters. Baltar executed, and the Buck Rogers theme song having lyrics.
There's no theater there now, though...where was it?
@@kelaarin It's a church now i believe. Down Handcock going towards the river. $2 movies there when i moved here 1997.
Shown in Sensurround in my local theater
Patrick Macnees voice was perfect for the role of the cylon leader
true all time classic
It is a great voice, but they had already used him as Count Iblis, so it was a bit odd to hear the same very recognizable tone for two characters.
@@brianhaygood183 true
@@brianhaygood183 That's because he was the one that created the Cylons in the first place. His voice was transcribed into every Imperious Leader from then on. This was somewhat mentioned in the 2 part episode 'The War Of The Gods'. There is a deleted scene where we do see a bit of what Iblis in that episode when Apollo, Starbuck, and and Sheba go back to where they found Iblis, and Apollo and Starbuck opened a hatch to see Iblis's Claw come out. They had to take that scene out because of the viewers that would be watching it.
I actually remember this. It's one of my earliest TV memories. Damn, i'm getting old, even though this only ran in Portugal in the mid 80's.
Same as Canada. It made the 80's great.
Crew: How many takes do we need for Baltar's execution?
Director: Yes.
"A coward dies a thousand deaths. And we will film them all."
It’s to give them different views/angles to cut to in editing. This is done for nearly any scene in any single camera style film/tv shoot.
Classic..
this many takes is normal, then it goes to editing. Bits of many may be used in the final cut
In the theatrical release, they left Baltar's execution in.
Wow, John Colicos was so good that they CANCELLED his DEATH!
This scene is NOT canon. It never happened on TV.
I don't remember his character ever dying.
He kept coming back with the Cylons to destroy the last of the human race... and fail.
This video is awesome because it's a set of non-production scenes the public was never meant to see.
We get to see the actor getting into character. They killed him over, and over again.
This is a MUST see if you're an actor!
That’s because this is the final part of the saga of a Star world which was a 3 part story of the original film which he did die in.
the execution was written in to the theatrical version, then retconned for the purpose of the series after it was decided to split the movie in to a three-part pilot and extend it into a series.
I DO remember it. We acted it out at school during recess. It was the craziest thing on TV for us. Then later it was like, "Hey, didn't they kill that guy?"
Baltar's execution scene was also included in the 1978 Marvel Comics adaptation of: 'Saga of a Star World', which was based on the outstanding ABC Telefilm's original script. Although the bald character depicting him didn't grovel nearly as well as the Late Great actor John Colicos! 😉👍🏻
It WAS canon until the TV show. He died in the theatrical release. I saw it theaters as a kid. He definitely lost his head. It always pissed me off that he was on the TV show because I had seen him be executed in the movie. Lol
John Colicos (Balter), Patrick McNee (Imperius Leader), and Jonathan Harris (Lucifer, Dr Zachary Smith). The ultimate villain union. These 3 were a critical piece of what made original Battlestar Galáctica great. Some of the scariest epic bad guys on TV. Note also they played opposite to Lorne Greene as the leader of the good guys. They made Greene look even better and only Colicos appeared on screen with Greene a handful of times with the exception of McMee when he played a different villain.
Don't you mean Patrick MacNee?
MacNee later played Lord Iblis. According to Wiki (I surely couldnt remember) Baltar noticed Iblis and the Supreme Leader had the same voice. I assume this was intentional, to hint that Iblis was the Supreme Leader. Given that the Supreme Leader assigns Lucifer to Baltar and Iblis is the Islamic version of Satan....
@@StoicLion Or rather it was Iblis who led the Cylons atray into building robots (which later overpowered and exterminated them) in the first place. And all this was a means to an end for Iblis destroying humanity, later on, through tghe Cylons. This would make sense, as both Apollo and Adama in War of the Gods were aware that they were caught in a battle between the opposing forces of Good and Evil - the beings of thge AShip of Light on rhe one side and Iblis and his followers on the other.
We do not see something like this until the arrive of Babylon 5
But _was_ he a different villain? Hmmm....
Baltar: No, you can't! You still need me!
Cylons: Well now, this is just a bit awkward, but ummm... We've thought it over, and decided we still need you, and umm, could you like go out into deep space and lead our fleets and stuff? Please?
The sound experts that worked on sci-fi films in the 80's were amazing. The cylons sounded ace. Even the booming voice of the Imperious leader.
Films now just can't generate that sort of atmosphere. So so sad.
True. Much of the time now you have to crank the center channel just to hear what is being said.
@@classicgalactica5879 and i thought its my bad hearing
Those Cylon voices are just menacing. I prefer these Cylons to the CG Cylons from the rebooted series.
@@lambertlum1087 I think most people do to be honest.
The execution scene was also slightly altered so that he says "not now centurion, remove him for public execution later"
EXCELLENT Work on Creating this Scott Hettrick!
Wow, I thought I had seen all of the deleted scenes...but wow. This brings the saga into a whole different arena.
I REALLY Loved this Show back in 1978! I couldn't belive they cancelled it back then and I faithfully watched Battlestar 1980 as well.
Brilliant series. As was buck rodgers, we need something like this on tv now.
Unfortunately those days are gone. Kids today would never accept what we had.
@@lazarian4428 There's a lot of great animations, a lot better than in the 70s, 80s, or 90s with moral messages, diverse casts, that also have good story telling and don't bash you over the head. Kipo and the Age of Wonderbeasts, Steven Universe etc.
@@Algolxxxxxx Yes but kids of today love to be enslaved by the screen and everything, staring at the screen but no skills nor thinking with their own brain.No crtical mind at all.God help us!
I hear they're doing Buck Rogers with George Clooney.
@@bjrnhenrik-pettersen9063 Steven Universe was "smart". They were highly pro-lesbian, but in a loving way. The series wasn't a "bastardized" overtaking of an old franchise. It was all "new", and had lots of loving in the characters. And they didn't push "trans", which is a very scary thing for a parent, now that leftists / democrats have pushed for laws to have your kids taken away as "child abuse" if they think they want to be trans after watching a cartoon (like the recent Transformers cartoon... why I boycotted Hasbro toys after a LIFETIME of buying them). Steven Universe was just about gay / lesbian, not having parents face their kids taken away, or giving in and never having grandkids because the state's GUTTED their kid of their reproductive organs.
The man who both introduces the Cylons and the Klingons. Wow!!!
We had the theatrical version on VHS, so the beheaded Baltar was pretty much the canon fate for me. This did confuse me when Baltar made his appearance in the TV show, but I simply figured _the Cylons grafted his head onto a new robot body._
I remember when there was a special event theatrical release at the local theater that, along with a few very minor alterations, contained the scene of Baltar being executed, but it didn't look quite like the deleted scenes here, I recall the camera angle being somewhat lower, and it implied a more powerful swing and beheading - but it was so long ago I can't be sure.
I remember watching later, the altered scene where the centurion stats to draw his sword and then re-sheaths it - as the tv Gods decided he would live on for the series.
The Baltar execution scene you remember can still be seen in the Battlestar Galactica theatrical cut that has been out on dvd for years.
I remember this as well, as a kid I could quite figure out he was killed then came back
In the pilot the Baltar execution scene was reedited from the theatrical cut. When he is about to be beheaded, the Imperious Leader says "Wait, remove him for public execution." The cylon puts his sword back in his scabbard. The theatrical cut was shown in theaters in Canada in 1978. Depending on what version of the pilot you saw Baltar lived or died.
I remember it being in "Sensurround" It was a giant sub they put in the theater. It was a big deal in 1979. My friend and I sat right next to it in the back. I think I have the DVD release of this and it is a 2.1 sound track. They kept the sub track of the original theater release.
@JM 1983 Wow, I didn't know there was a comic!
Yeah, in the novel Baltar was executed and tossed down the refuse chute. Like it that they expanded Colicos' roll. Great treacherous villian! RIP, John.🙏
Sure, but it was poetic justice that Baltar was executed because if he would help them against his own people, he could not be trusted. John Colicos made a great Baltar and a great Klingon in Star Trek Original and DS9.
@@clasicradiolover Yep!👍👍
In the follow up novel which was the “Lost Planet of the Gods” story they explain how he survived.
@@Janovus Cool... Have to read that. Thanks!👍
I remember in the original BG Baltar had been brought before the Imperial Leader and was irate,
IL: "You have done well,"
Baltar: "I have done well?! What have YOU done? What about our bargain?!?
MY Colony was to be spared!"
IL: The bargain was altered, Surely you would not think me so foolish as to trust a man who would see his own species destroyed."
Baltar: "No not destroyed! Subjugated under me!
(The Centurians closing in upon him)
IL: "There can be no humans left alive, so long as one human lives the alliance is threatened ."
Baltar: "Surely you don't mean meeeeepppph!"
(One Cylon grabs his head from behind, out comes a sword, Off comes Baltar's head.)
IL: "We thank you for your service Baltar, But your time is at an end."
The Lucifer character scared the shite out of me. Really sinister!
And voiced by Jonathan Harris! This leader here was Patrick MacNee.
Same here. Saw BG as a child & Lucifer's unsync'd eyes really creeped me out. Robot menace!
Not to me - I couldn't take those bouncy ocular sensors seriously. It was like watching a game of Drunken Gnip Gnop. The shape of his dome only added to his overall Count Digital Dookie-ness.
Lucifer a demonic version of the comedic 3-CPO from Star Wars.
@@laniejuanitawhitehurst1624well, they didn't name him Lucifer for nothing.
I was in college when I saw this in the theater. Glad the series decided to keep the very talented John Colicos.
They realized their mistake and changed it. You can't kill off John Colicos!! He made a great villain. Lol.
He was great but had nothing on Boris Badenov
There was no mistake. You didn't see the execution but in the tv movie version he was killed off.
@@develynseether4426 that was the theatrical version (yes the original cut was intended for theatres, to play off the success of Star Wars)
Guess this never made the final cut 😂😂😂.
Totally remember this. I was always confused how he made it into the series after having his head lobbed off.
@Robert Jensen he was an interesting character. Definitely worth keeping.
In the movie version he was killed, in the series pilot he was spared. Battlestar Galactica was doing the multiverse before it was in vogue.
@@vipermageex5861 multiverse created by indecisive directors. 😂👍
Oh no, it did. Theres a movie cut that shows him getting the chop.
I remembered that as well. In the movie as others have stated he was beheaded. Or was he...It happened so fast and they never really showed a dead body. So for me it was kinda confusing but also left me to think...did he really die?
Can we all take a moment to appreciate the rubbing of his nose by Baltar - a very human moment when under stress or torture so I have read... Nice touch at 2:33
Ha, nice observation
Patrick McNee, John Colicos, and Jonathan Harris. What a matchup of prolific actors. They MADE the Cylons BADASSES. I saw Baltar executed in the theatrical release. I am glad they rebooted him. John Colicos was an awesome actor. RIP.
If you're here than you are obviously a bit more than a just a "Major Big Box Office Franchise Only Fan of Science Fiction" in other words YOU know that the Genre was NOT invented in 1977, you have not pigeon holed your taste, and you may just be what I like to call a 'Comprehensive Science Fiction Fan' rather than a 'mainstream only' Fan! I'm glad you are!
I therefore submit for your discovery an introduction to my 1984 production - correct 1984 (of this date fewer than 7000 persons have viewed it's 'Official Trailer') which like BSG, dared to have the audacity to even exist on the same planet as Big Box Office (as far as mainstream fans were concerned) Here's a recent Documentary about it - ua-cam.com/video/k7EZB0FP-ig/v-deo.html
Lorne Greene
"I was gonna say, He wasn't exucuted. He was chasing Galactica all around the universe hunting them down!"
It was interesting to hear Ted Cassidy's voice as the Imperious Leader in this unused footage.
Yes
Agreed...
It's not Ted Cassidy. It's Patrick MacNee (Steed from the Avengers).
@@chrisjennings5680 Listen again! The 1st 1, not the 2nd! It WAS Ted Cassidy!
@@DMSProduktions Sorry, my mistake. I thought you were talking about the 2nd one.
I remember this was actually aired in the UK on it's first showing. What you saw was the sword being drawn then Baltar scream and that was it. Next thing we knew, Baltar was alive in the series and it was very puzzling at the time.
I'm remember that. It was confusing as hell.
A UK watcher. 👍👍👍
That's how I remember it as a 10 year old Yank. How is it possible? That's how I remember it and I've been confused all these years.
I thought they took his head and put it on a cylon body. He then seemed more, I don't know, emotionless in a way, so that seemed even more right.
I saw BGin a theater equipped with the sensory sound system...even the floor shook with those engines, and, Baltazar did lose his head.
Me too. I saw it a similarly equipped theater. It was also my first ever date, how romantic, right? And she brought her mother and big brother.
@@clasicradiolover Just a message that if you want the girl, you get the girl's family too. It's a package deal.
@@lambertlum1087 I just want you to know that I kept my hands to myself.
Yep
WHO is 'Baltazar'?
"Now that we are omnipotent we can afford to be more charitable."
Famous last words.....
Okay so a little history here. What you're looking at is the theatrical release Battlestar Galactica the movie. In the same, in the movie, Baltar is indeed executed by the cylons. Just to let you know once they're done with human traitors they don't need them anymore and they don't keep the silly things lying around. Now the scene was not deleted for television. The producers felt there was a need to preserve this particular bad guy. So they changed it and the the Masters Cylon the more human kind of dude waves him a pardon it says check him in the in the jail instead lock him up instead. And bolts are weasels his way out and make himself appear to be useful worms his way into the good graces once more. But that was for the sake of there being a continued bad guy threat a human that was in charge of the Cylon threat. So Baltar is killed in the movie in the theatrical release. Yes it was in theaters. I saw that tow Five Points West in Birmingham Alabama. In 78 and The Following fall the TV series launched. And in the premiere of the TV series wish we felt totally gypped that Baltar didn't stay dead and that they changed what was in the movie.
"They may not be receptive."
"Don't worry. I'm sending along a perfectly named, brain exposed , 9 foot robot to help win them over"
In the theatrical release, Baltar is killed by the Cylons. When they recut the movie for the television premiere, Baltar is preserved rather than executed for the sake of having him as the bad guy throughout the rest of the series. How do I know... Because I was there. I saw it in the theater with my little brother at least twice. And we felt completely gipped when Baltar her wasn't killed on TV but it wasn't because it was TV. I mean people died on Johnny quest for crying out loud. No it was so that they could preserve a bad guy. Somebody out there's got a catalog of star logs and one of them is going to have an interview covering just that very thing
Who also happens to be named Lucifer. What could go wrong?
I remember both versions but when the newer series version aired where Baltar was to be "spared", my little brother burst out laughing. He thought they meant "speared". :-D
The death of Baltar in the original series was in the theatrical movie, but obviously was reworked when it aired on TV. Baltar deaths was also in the Marvel collector giant size comic adaptation.
John Colicos and Jack Palance were 2 of my favorite villans.
They seemed to fit those roles perfectly
Palance could have easily played Baltar himself.
Director: "OK, Cut!"
"Oh, ****"
Damn it!!! Now I wanna go back and watch the original series again.
The scene wasn't deleted, for the television version it was slightly altered. The Centurion draws his sword out half way and the imperious leader says "not now centurion, remove him for public execution later" Thus he was spared and removed from the ship.
Thanks for the clarification. I know the Imperious Leader had no use for a traitor.
If memory serves (and I am NOT a Battlestar Galactica fan---at least not of the 70's TV show. The re-boot was fantastic) Baltar was killed in the theatrical release, but on the show he was kept on as a series regular, oddly commanding the pursuit of Galactica and the surviving humans.
That version happened in the comic
@@scottturner3469 Never saw the comic, I was speaking of the television version.
It was only deleted for the TV series. It was shown in the theatrical release which I saw in the theatre.
I had the first three comic books when I was a kid based on the first three episodes in the show and in the third book, I remember Baltar was executed. They showed in the comic panel one of the Cylons withdrawing a sword and the next panel you see Baltar’s face with his eyes wide in fright. I wish I still had that original set, wonder how much it would be worth now?
I had that comic book as well! That scene with Baltar's bloodied face and frozen wide eyes left a lasting impression with me as a child.
They’re actually pretty inexpensive
I think the comic also revealed Baltar’s blood on the cylon’s knife. It was actually much more of a gruesome scene in the comic than in the movie.
It suddenly occurs to me that the revised epilogue along with the new "leadership" COMPLETELY changes the story but suddenly gets things to make sense that the Cylons weren't trying to exterminate the refugee fleet since there was confusion in the ranks between commands that knew about this revised directive and those that continued with order to wipe out all humans. That would explain why the Cylons didn't mount an armada attack to wipe them out in one zerg rush!
The scene continues...
Baltar turns around to see Disco Robot walk into room, Baltar starts laughing hilariously at Disco Robot. Imperious Leader is angered and immediately reinstates Baltar's execution but Baltar just carries on laughing at Disco Robot.
Disco Robot's voice was none other than Dr. Smith from Lost in Space.
The combination of Jonathan Harris' voice with that Lucifer/IL series Cylon design made him one of the creepier characters on the show for me. A lot of people think a frown is terrifying. Uh-uh... an insane or calm smile is much more frightening I think!
I genuinely found the original Cylons threatening as a kid. I think perhaps only Darth Vader was scarier at the time.
I thought the later reimagined Galactica was a joke with its "Cylon of the Week" subplot among other things. I never accepted that series!
I've heard people dismiss the original Battlestar Galactica because the reboot had, of all things, better fx.
The original will always be better because of better acting and character actors like John Colicos (RIP).
Better acting? 😂🤣 yeah campy acting is better than Edward James Olmos, Mary McDonnell and Michael Hogan
I swear this was on one of the theatrically released cuts of the original movie.
Yep...
It is. I have the movie on dvd
@@jono.scaife I know you're watching it...then next thing you know, there's Baltar sitting high up in his chair.
I remember seeing his execution in the theatre too...
It was. I saw it at the drive in when it first came out.
Director: Now swing that sword right up to his throat and stop.
Also director: That's perfect. CUT!
Oops.
How did fellow in tin can stop?🤣
Always confused me as a child as Baltar was executed in the movie but somehow came back in the tv Series 🤔
Great stuff, thanks for posting it.👍👍
Baltar: Imperius Leader...I've come to bargain.
Baltar has the time stone?
So that's how Lucifer came to be.
Yes indeed
He LOOKED like a walking dildo/butt plug!
Lucifer was disco incarnate.
Just happened to be watching Stat Trek TOS and came across this video, and only now realizing that Baltar was Kor.
Lucifer was so snide and hilarious. He was great at getting under Baltar's skin.
Jonathan Harris (Dr. Smith) was the voice
The Lucifer costume was actually an electronic upper body and torso, which Felix Silla wore on his shoulders as if he was carrying a child. That’s why if you see “Lucifer” walking his upper body and legs are so disproportionate.
The real battlestar Galactica. Always the best.
Not so much deleted as alternate - because it was used in BSG: the Movie. Thanks for sharing, I hadn't seen this clip with the different angles before. :)
Tes, The movie was a shorter version on the pilot. Released to cash in on Sci-Fi craze created by Star Wars. For the series he was to be a semi-regular. Kind sucks when you see him killed but then you see the full length feature and they change it. It was all planned for the beginning.
No, you can't! You still need me! Glrraahlarggghh!
Well, I, never! What a find! Battlestar Galactica was essential viewing on a Saturday evening back in the early 80s! Playing a Centurion as a kid in the bedroom smashing up the wardrobe was a part of my life!
I remember there was a version of Battlestar Galactica that was released to theaters. That version contained this cutscene in it. I remember being surprised how different it was from the TV show.
Baltar and Lucifer were the best part of the series. It was hilarious when Baltar is sent to work in the prison kitchen and he's still wearing those huge gloves.
I am glad the've spared Baltars life, John Colicos did a tremendous job on the character Baltar in the 1978-79 series.
Only overacted the sniveling part by about 200%, is all.
@@brianhaygood183 you're right, bad sniveling part ;-))
I have the oversized comic book they put out back in the day. I always wondered why the comic showed Baltar being beheaded, now I know why.
The new Baltar was a much more complex character than the original Baltar.
He wormed his way out of that, by being such a good actor!
I would've sworn they played the old baltar execution on TV. It was quite a while back, but I would swear they did it.
No, I think they were thinking of executing him but them they gave him a choice, a base ship and go and kill the last humans or be killed here.
In the book he was killed, befitting a traitor.
I'm with you. I was around 11 and I swear they did show his execution in some pilot episode
They probably showed the theater version on tv at some point later on.
I recall seeing the original movie in a theater. I recall they showed Baltar on his knees and then a close up of one of the Cylons drawing his sword. It ended there. They didn't show the sword strike.
Correct.
That's how I remember it too.
I never understood why with the Cylon leader wanting to extend truce that Baltar then spent the whole series (until he was captured) trying to destroy Galactica.
Yes I had a hard time understanding that as well. He was a traitor which means he can't ever be trusted.
This scene was originally part of the theatrical release. Before the fall pilot was aired. When it was deleted.
Came to say this.
It was also asked that the organic Cylons and aliens no longer be in the show. Network wanted the badguys aside from Baltar to all be machines so that it was more marketable to children and the war was less ambiguous. Ie it's always ok to kill robots.
It was nice seeing Mr. Colicos at work as Baltar. Nice acting chops there. You could see how he was putting himself "in the character" just before they yelled "action." I also enjoyed him as Klingon commander Kor in STTOS's episode "Errand of Mercy." Honestly, that man could seriously do "sinister" so well.
He LIKED to do villains and preferred to play them as opposed to conventional heroes and leading men. He once said "VIllains, like blondes, have more fun." It's also evident he liked to chew scenery, and he really is a master at doing that. And I agree, he's a great actor - he was the youngest actor ever to play King Lear on a professional London stage, playing the role in 1951 at the Old Vic when he was just 23, and he held that record for decades until it was broken by Nonso Anozie only recently. That does show talent - being able to play a character almost four times as old as you are at the time.
I also loved his interpretation of Kor; allegedly it was even him who came up with the distinctly Asian look, suggesting to the makeup artist he do him as "a space-age Genghis Khan". And his making the later Kor (of DS9) into a Falstaff-like character was also a stroke of genius.
"What do you want, Mr. Kubrick?"
"Guns or knives, Baltar?"
"Mr. Baltar...you're needed."
"Have no fear...Lucifer's here."
Good stuff, thanks for posting.
I saw a special theatrical release at the Egyptian theater in the early 2000's, up until that time, I had only seen it at home. There is much detail you miss watching at home, like the real lizard that crawls around on the back of the neck of the Imperious leader. I had seen the show literally hundreds of times before and never noticed the lizard crawling around on the neck of the Imperious Leader, until I finally saw it at the theater. Nothing will ever replace seeing a movie at a real theater, no matter how good home theater may get.
TV was called "small screen" for a reason.
that was a Jackson's chameleon, with prop wings attached to its flanks. The animal wrangler in charge of it was only hired for one days' shooting which is why you never saw it again after the pilot.
What was great was that Baltar and Dr Smith were the same type of cowardly villain. As an added bonus John Colicos as Baltar and Jonathan Harris as the voice of Lucifer were a great combination!
1:04 The voice of Balok from "The Corbomite Maneuver" episode from the original Star Trek series?
The legendary Ted Cassidy, indeed.
"Try the tronyah ...I hope you relish it as much as I"
@@michaeljasinski1906 That was Walker Edmiston
that voiced the Child looking Balok.
Ted Cassidy voiced the fake Balok.
Ted Cassidy also voiced the Gorn from "The Arena" episode of Star Trek.
@@ValiantWrestling said child was none other than Clint Howard, who went on to guest roles in DS9 (Past Tense, Part II) and Discovery (Will You Take My Hand?)
1:04 - So, that take was done with Doomcock as the Imperious Leader? Nice.
(Saying in mechanical voice): "Doomcock is MAD this scene is deleted by those stupid show-runners. It RUINS BSG now and forever!!"
Hail DVD
I remember this. I remember seeing the TV Movie where he was killed. I was confused when he ended up on the series. I was around 13
Great acting. And that sound track (plus all the incidental music) was just classic :)
I wish they still made soundtracks as epic as that ..I guess it disappeared with the generation that created them.
Agree, especially about the terrific soundtrack by Stu Phillips
John Calicos was such a great villain. He appeared one last time for BSG in a Richard Hatch BSG trailer.
Yeah, Battlestar Galactica: The Second Coming.
I remember seeing pictures of it in a sci-fi magazine back in 1999 and desperately trying to find something online about it, even if it was a really low quality video, lol.
Loved this show growing up.
Very good! I remember! Watch it here, in Brazil, as a child. This movie and the entire original series are great.
As you watch the same take repeated over and over, just know it proves "All of this has happened before. All of this will happen again."
Director: Cut!
Centurion: By your command!
Nice video and a good find. I've shared this video on Reddit.
Thanks, it's from the DVD
John Colicos was such a good actor omfg.