Kamikaze Drone: Stolen engine used on Shahed-136
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- Опубліковано 14 тра 2024
- Conflict Armament Report just released a new report indicating that the Shahed-136 is powered by an illicitly exported German engine that was reverse-engineered in Iran by MADO (Oje Parvaz Mado Nafar Company). The Shahed-136 was recently used en-mass in the Russo-Ukrainian conflict.
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00:00 - Shahed-136
00:47 - Evidence on engine
01:36 - Shahed-136 in the Russo-Ukrainian conflict
The MD550 is a two-stroke carbed flat four. Simple as a stone ax. 1960s level tech. Could be manufactured anywhere in the world where metal casting capabilities exist (almost anywhere). A few months ago, Chinese companies were selling this engine on the web. I don't even see any expansion chambers, so it is not even up to 70s level motorcycle tech.
An MD550 makes a 1950s VW four look like modern tech.
Expansion Chambers - you mean like a tuned pipe? You don't do aero-tech?
@Tomasina Covell See the exhaust systems on two stroke dirt bike motorcycles. East German engineer Walter Kaaden developed an exhaust system using an expansion system, which led to substantial increases in power. Initially used in racing. Kaaden defected, subsequently working with the Japanese.
@@PadraigTomas Oh, the reed-valve system?
@@tomasinacovell4293 No, the reed valves are on the intake behind the carburetor, an expansion chamber is an exhaust of variable diameter designed to use resonance in order to aid scavenging
I have to confess I've always had an issue with the terms "kamikaze" or "suicide" drone. There is no meatbag on board the aircraft so where does "suicide" come into play? The drone is either remotely piloted by someone in a remote location who is viewing the camera feed from the drone on a computer screen and they are using a joystick to guide the drone onto target, or the GPS coordinates are programmed into the drone and the drone flies to those coordinates and blows up when it reaches the target. The drone is on a one-way mission, which just makes it another form of guided munitions. It's no more suicidal than a Tomahawk cruise missle or a JDAM. I do realize this might be a case of "old man yells at cloud" but this has been bugging me, and still does...
Well it could be if you made a small cockpit and put a small cuddly toy kitten in it. You could even rap a Kitten Hachimaki round it.
Agreed.
Yes it should be called a guided missile or cheap cruise missile
It is a totally misleading term. "Loitering munition" is much more appropriate.
@@colbunkmust it doesn't loiter though, it's just a prop powered cruise missiles. Loitering means that it stays in one place.
1:35 I think SAM ordnance depletion is being ignored here. They are a way to inflict asymmetric attrition, the 136s are more easily replaceable than UA's S300's.
Which is why Gepards and even heavy machine guns with spotlights are used.
@@ChucksSEADnDEAD When they can be, yes. But I have seen recently a photo of an S300 system with plenty of kill markers for 136s painted on.
These drones are flying below the radar to avoid detection and that makes them hard to shot down. Ukraine has Gepards but those are too few and have little ammunition. Attempts of beefing Ukrainian air defences with Skynex is therefore on its way
@@TheBackyardChemist It matters not - it's the value of the target, not the value of the intercepting missile which matters.
@@ChucksSEADnDEAD Recently a few days ago Russia destroyed three S-300 batteries. A Gepard was protecting the S-300s from low flying drones. A Russian Lancet destroyed the Gepard.
Always well worth the watch, another informative video. thank you for your work.
Working overtime Chris, nice video short.
Great job Iran! Actually quite impressive job, stay strong Iran
Iran ✈😂🇮🇷👍⚡💪
Love your videos, keep up the good work man❤
can't wait to see an iranian made copy of a chinese copy of a brigs&straton lawnmower engine
It exists, it's called anything made by Mcculloch 😁
Danke👍🏻 und gute Besserung 😊
Chris - The flying tomato.
That would be a good name for your alternative UA-cam channel.
flying rotten tomatoes
Why is the SPAAG technology seemingly behind? When Drones were first shown to have military potentials and things like Drone Swarm became increasingly used I expected the much cheaper and almost purpose-designed SPAAG’s to make their return against these slower light/no armor targets. Yet we still seem to have virtually no projects them at all? I saw one from Korea and one from America on the Stryker, nothing else.
There's the Rheinmetall Skyshield and its mobile variant the Skyranger, comprising of the Skyranger 35 and Skyranger 30. Both have been fitted to the Boxer MRAV and the MOWAG Piranha. There's also the ASLEAN Korkut twin 35mm weapon system and the Type 09 twin 35mm cannon system. In addition, both the Mk 15 Phalanx CIWS and the Type 730 CIWS have been adapted for land use. And you can't leave out the Pantsir gun-missile system.
There's plenty of projects out there.
@@classifiedad1 I wouldn’t call that plenty, and almost all of them have “can attack UAV’s” tacked on after the fact rather than being designed against them.
I’d argue that a system designed from the ground up to deal with UAV’s first would be far cheaper than the current versions. For example with a .50 cal instead of 30+mm ammunition to deal with smaller drones and a 30+mm cannon with limited ammo to deal with helicopters and the like. It means it doesn’t need the much more costly radar systems needed to coordinate, find, track and destroy a cruise missile for example on top of having many more (small&cheap) rounds to fire in case of a large drone attack. This would potentially be more effective against drones designed to be cheap and overwhelm enemy air defenses by depleting their ammo.
@@TheDemigans So basically just a crew on a 50, think they have those there. Because with out the "expensive radar" that is all those systems are. Also if you think that it is easier to track a low flying mostly fiberglass UAV with a cheap RADAR, well you might be mistaken, they have a small RADAR return. So without the "costly RADAR" system needed to coordinate, find, track and destroy a UAV you are left with a 50 cal crew.
@@at1cvb417 no, a vehicle with a cheap radar. You don’t need an expensive super high-powered radar to deal with Drones. A lower power, less complex radar will suffice. You can still hook up a tracking system to that to automatically engage drones designated by the crew (because IFF’s in every friendly drone is likely not that functional).
And yes a cheap radar will work. Yes they might be small but that just shortens their radar return. Still most drone designs are absolutely not stealthy, so being small is a small boon to them, not a giant problem.
@@TheDemigans Sorry no 3D fire control RADARs are never cheap, and doing them on the cheap makes them ineffective and dangerous. Consider the following your cheap RADAR detects an object at 6080 feet, or 1 Nautical mile. The time it took the RADAR pulse to leave your RADAR and return to report the object is approximately 12.36 microseconds, 6.18 microseconds out 6.18 microseconds back. So you know the target is 1 nautical mile away at a specific bearing, but at what altitude is it as it could be at any elevation on that bearing from 0 to 90 degrees directly over head and still get the range resolution of one nautical mile. To accurately engage the target with your 50, you will need to know range, bearing, elevation and it's velocity vector, (Speed and Direction of travel) That single return of a cheap RADAR hasn't even determined if the target is moving yet, or even considered bullet drop. So I beg to differ in your opinion that there is a "cheap" strap this RADAR and actuators onto a 50 and be able to effectively engage a low flying small target.
It looks like a Classic air-cooled - (50 hp) Type 1 Volkswagen Beetle Engine !
Well guess what Limbach engines practically are :D
It loiters and presumably guided via datalink.
100 years old design, tbh
Against the modern world.
Not my point.
Is that police car a 2005 Toyota Prius? (1:47)
The age group might have something to do with taking Russia serious, having lived through (and sometimes done national service) during the Cold War. The potential of perhaps dying in flash, but chosing to go to a possible front anyway, was something I took serious, and had to live - or die - with, as the chips may fall.
A 63 yo former volonteer Rescue Services Platoon Leader
Hearing the name of this drone reminds me of the *_"Shai-Hulud"_* from the *DUNE* novels and movies.
I don't know if we should laugh at the 1960's engine model used by the Iranian drone or we should cry for not being able to down a drone that uses a 1960's technology engine. 🤔
گریه گن🇮🇷💪🏻
It’s very easy to down these - Gepard is the perfect solution for these
the video shows a police man I think during the first days after they used these, shooting one down with an old AK....
So late 1940's tech beats 1960's tech....
@@irani__javad5946 f* the axis of evil 😈
@@d.o.g573 if these are flying low over cities how is a gepard gonna shoot next to and inbetween buildings ? russia has only been using these in singles if they start throwing a bunch of these out at the same time its gonna be a problem. ukraine just need to get cyber with it not shooting bullets at it
Good that I am now "sensational headline proved" thx.
Didn't know Chris is in UK, I thought he was in Germany. Good day.
What makes the shahed a loitering munitions instead of a cruise missile?
Cruise missiles typically have their targets pre-selected for them before launch. A loitering munition is typically launched and then loiters outside the target and waits for a target to be selected for it.
@@Fang70 "Cruise missiles typically have their targets pre-selected for them before launch" Is that not the case with shahed?
@@92HazelMocha They're not autonomous, at least the ones used in Ukraine. They're blind and fly towards GPS coordinates.
@@92HazelMocha can you give a link where it says that? I can’t find the claims that it choose it’s target after launching anywhere?
@@ChucksSEADnDEAD doesn’t that make the shahed a cruise missile?
That kids is what's called: Damage control
Vacuform around a moped engine and fill it with explosives- that's always going to be cheaper than anything BAE puts out.
Strictly speaking cheap propeller aircraft would be far superior to modern weapons if your troops were unaffected by losses. Drones are the next best thing.
A gepard burst is cheaper than a shahed
I still bet on a BAE drone than on this POS thing
Commentary (no problem here) is counter video clip (chaotic shooting and drone explosion) 1:37 to 1:52.
I'm now more confused after watching the video.
I think the video was released by the Ukrainians. It was of a policeman shooting one down with an old AK during the days after the Russian's first started using them
They are low, fairly large, noisy and slow, so easy targets for a machine mount from the 1930's/ww2
The issue is you can launch a lot of them very cheaply
Apparently the solution has been to put heavy calibre machine guns on pickup trucks with old early ww2 style sights and deploy them in the countryside ahead of the drones suspected flight path
Stolen tech from Ernst Degner? That story is a bit out of date....
Shahed 136 has 6 different varieties. Don analyze them as a single drones. You get confused
Stolen or supporting by germany ?
Still... we Germans aren't always just sunshine and chocolate.
Oh! The Germans are mad at us! Ooh! The Germans!
Israel support
@@kwanarchive Correctamundo!
@@LOL-zu1zr Viv Israel!
@@kwanarchive
It’s called „furor teutonica“ - google it - you will not like it though
Re: the last comment - and welcome to our world! - but I got sunburnt having lunch in Luxembourg on Thursday, so...
WTf?
😂 your content is awesome! I've been a huge fan since I found your channel! Sunscreen is key.. .
Yes the same engine but heavily upgraded by Iran because of that West still can't built such long range drone in such low price
At first the shahed drones were also using up scarce anti air missiles thus using up the limited stocks of Ukranian air defence munitions that would be needed to shoot down fast jets and cruise missiles. A MiG-29 was even lost while shooting down Shahed drones when it flew into the debris of a destroyed drone. Now Ukraine has shifted to more often using AA guns like the Gepard and heavy machineguns against them which saves more of the scarce missiles for faster targets that guns are not so useful against.
Strong and excellent Iranian drone👆🏻 🇮🇷😉⚡
Why "kamikaze" drone?
Because it is intended to crash into the target instead of dropping some form of ordnance.
So? If the Ukrainian army uses some German weapons systems, why would it be wrong for Russia to use Iranian tech?
Ukraine doesn't claim to have built everything.
If Russia is winning then why do it need to beg for weapons from other countries?
If Russia is okay with importing foreign weapons, then why shouldn't Ukraine be able to do the same?
Instead do russia act hypocritical and make nuclear threats
@@ChucksSEADnDEAD.. Russia doesn't claim to have built everything.
@@nattygsbord If Ukraine is winning then why do it need to beg for weapons from other countries?
The Geran-2s have been used to destroy a significant amount of Ukrainian infrastructure, army bases, logistics, you name it. The Lancet drones have also been extremely successful. The Geran drones have also helped deplete Ukraine's already dwindling stockpile of air defense missiles. Think about it. Each Patriot missile costs $3 million a piece. Each Geran-2/Shahed-136 costs no more than $20,000. That's a very favorable exchange rate for Russia.
@realpolitik01, You have missed one important point, The Geran drones not only help deplete Ukraine's stockpile of air defense missiles it also deplete huge number of automatic rifle ammunitions. When the Geran drones are flying in the sky over Kyiv people/military start spraying bullets aiming at the drone. It's like upward bullet rain wasting huge numbers of bullets from Ukrainian stockpile.
A Gepard round is less than 20$ so the Gepard wins easily
well all that matter is they work and can deal lots of damage to enemy.
I recently contacted the company which produces the engines.
They are 100% aware of the situation and are working with German law enforcement with utter determination that this will not happen again.
not gonna stop iran..these are only small engines go look how they managed to keep their f14s still going
@@ezey2746 seriously: what are you talking about. A HORDE of lawyers is CHASING the Iranian and Russian Orcs who tried f* up the Germans
Iran is positioned 15th worldwide in scientific productivity, yet they engage in the smuggling of RC plane engines from Germany. Coupled with Iran's status as the 25th largest economy and their success in developing indigenous defense equipment, one questions the basis for such assumptions. Analysts seem unaware of Iran's technological prowess, mistakenly presuming their incapacity to manufacture even rudimentary RC toy-level engines.
Nafo
You need more iq for modification and advancement
Its a lie . if it was stolen please make one with yours 😂
Stolen from a lawnmower¿?😅
i'd say that depleting Ukrainian SAM stock is quite significant difference. Strategic, I may add
This video showed police bringing one down with AK fire lol
@@ChucksSEADnDEAD I have a picture of S-300 launcher with Shaheds painted on its side as a sign of downed target ;)
Btw, police didn't bring down anything
@@ChucksSEADnDEAD no they didn’t brought the Drone down ..
@@ChucksSEADnDEAD if they did they should be trained as snipers
@@user-yj8vj3sq6j Pretty sure they did.
Can't wait to see a reverse engineered copy of the Iranian drones sent back towards Russia.
Ukraine (and its western partners) would easily have the technology to do this, and require Russia to expended considerable efforts to defend against them.
a dozen of the crappy things dispensing chaff in the night can create radar targets like a skyscraper. Cheap way to keep air defence busy with nothing.
these don't use radar, they are camera guided i believe?
@@jean-francoislemieux5509 He is talking about the Radars on the ground on the other side. And he has a good point.
It is not like radars can differentiate objects by their speed
@@user-yj8vj3sq6j in a cloud of chaff there is no object radar could identify
@@MadeleineTakam add a few flares and UK-reign wastes a battery of AAGM to engage a cloud of aaluminum and magnesium for pennies
Those type of engines are in many type of drones even American drones but the main question is, could NATO stop those drones? Do they have a effective weapon against them after more than one year? The answer is no and that's what count 😉
It's only ineffective because the Russians aren't using enough of them. If the real cost is $20,000 that means that you couldbuy 75 Shahed drones for the same cost as 1 Tomahawk. The Shahed also seems to have only rudimentary targeting and guidance systems, which limit its employment to large static targets, when a more sophisticated drone could be used on the battlefield to take out convoys and troop concentrations.
They're nowhere near a game changed for the Russians but they could hardly be called ineffective.
They tie down quite a few forces that are needed to protect targets from them and they're deplete Ukrainian stocks of MANPADS....
...and that's on top of the damage they cause when they do manage to get through to their targets.
The real cost is much higher, the engine alone was sold online for 9k.
@@ChucksSEADnDEAD I think $20k is reasonable for domestic manufacture in a country where the median income is about $5000 a year. If we were to make a similarly specced dron in the US it would probably cost over $100k. Looking at the engine, I can find 35HP motors online for ~$2000, and I think with adding a turbo and resizing a few things you could get a 50HP for under $4k.
According to a business insider article back in November RF paid $140m in cash for 166 Drones ~ $843k a piece. Iran robbed Russia blind. These misnamed 'drones' are bottom barrel cruise missiles.
If you want to take out troop concentrations, you use rocket artillery with cluster munitions. Drones are unsuitable and more expensive. Convoys move too fast and very hard to target even with smart munitions. Drones aren't for everything.
@@oohhboy-funhouse
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>According to a business insider article
lol. You serious here?
What you gonna do? Sue Iranians? lol
Yupp ! And embargo the shit out of them…
Forecast: chance of tomahawk rain near Isfahan at the HESA site… 💥
@@d.o.g573
از اسمت معلومه . چه حیوانی هستی
@@d.o.g573 Why didn't that happen 40 years ago?
lols motor is very basic its not exactly 'tech' they stole.. things don't even make very good power for the displacement
Actually the video is meaningless. The technologies are there for everybody but somebody put all those including engine, carbon fiber, gps, control system together and made a decent device. I'm sorry the drones are using against Ukrainians but have some respect and principle to criticize the drone!
Iranian engineers are good
Clueless.. These drone has caused havoc in Ukraine
gg
So is this thing really a "drone" or is it a propeller-driven cruise missile? And what would ANY propeller-driven craft have delta wings? Seems really inefficient.
It's basically a flying wing. Very efficient.
cruise missile is also a drone
@@user-yj8vj3sq6j just a drone from before drone was a thing. I think the most best display of this is the Swedes, who designate all their missiles as "robot" or "robot system" all the way back to 50's and 60's. Calling drones, drones since 1950's.
At least the Iranisns still apreciate German engenering.
The engine is Chinese
Mb the Chinese engine is a German copy
"Stolen"
YEA - STOLEN IP
Maybe your skin has become British already?
V2 iskander and V1 shaheds. And Soviet Union is Germany, providing resources in this case money to build all of this for decades.
germans: the ak 47 is stolen german design.
ruasians: yeah, come and get it, b****es
The action of AK-47 works like a M1 Garand and not to a STG44.
Considering the action in the two assault rifles is fairly different, you can hardly call it a "stolen design". But I guess they look a somewhat similar on the outside.
Besides the front where it directs gas back to the chamber it is pretty different
Concept and design are two different things, and only the former was stolen,
I am totally not surprised that Iran rips off western tech; they have taken a page out of China's 'innovative' culture. I wish the very worst for the Iranian regime and the very best for Iranian citizens in the long run.
its 10k bro. cant be mad. americas closest thing to a shahed costs 500k..
Cope & seethe, the video
I disagree this just proves relaxing sanctions for cheap political points is a stupid idea.If Obama had not allowed Iran to breath it would not have been able to buy this.
Did you watch the video? 2006 is when they got there hands on the engine, Obama didn't relax sanctions on Iran until a decade later. It doesn't even make sense that they are even sanctioned in the first place. Please use Google before commenting next time
@@ComprehensiveBrony it's also basically a lawnmower engine, '60s technology. Anybody could design it with a good textbook at hand, really.
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As long as USA/NATO is losing, it is all good;)
Vatnik copium
Russia can't even beat Ukraine. What do you think would happen if NATO actually geared up and headed east? Cope harder.
@@seafodder6129 Loosing 200 000 men is what I would call getting beaten. Not having enough ammo to retaliate is what I would call getting beaten. Going around the world to ask for tanks and ammo is what I would call getting beaten. Russia is crushing Ukraine, without even breaking a sweat.
@@frepi Oh, they are crushing now for over a year now. Pretty long for a 3 day "special military operation" and partial mobilisation. Get over it, Russia is getting spanked hard.
@@frepi They're so not breaking a sweat that they've had to literally revamp the mobilization laws to make it easier to conduct yet another unannounced mobilization to replace "200s", have allowed a private entity to buy up prisoners for cannon fodder and fund local city militias, had a father thrown in prison because they were afraid of the knock-on effects of a literal children's drawing and have cancelled perhaps the second biggest event on the annual Russian calendar because people might come together and start comparing notes on who has and hasn't heard anything from their MIA family members in public.
And for reference: losing 200.000 men, having to frantically gear up for a war economy and going around the world shopping for tanks and ammo and then some is pretty much what the British and Soviets did in WWII; you know, those factions famous for apparently being beaten in WWII.
Make an update because theyve been doing alot of damage and changed the course of war for zzzlensky.. but u womt make a video will u ?