MQ-9 Reaper vs Su-27 Midair Collision
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- Two Russian Su-27 fighter jets and one MQ-9 Reaper drone were involved in an incident over the Black sea. One of the Russian planes hit the MQ-9’s propeller, according to a press release by EUCOM. This forced the remotely piloted aircraft to come down. It is as yet unclear how exactly the midair occurred or whether it was intentional.
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00:00 - Midair collision
00:55 - The incident
03:13 - Why the Black Sea
04:45 - What about recovery
05:36 - Broader context
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Two Russian Su-27 fighter jets and one MQ-9 Reaper drone were involved in an incident over the Black sea. One of the Russian planes hit the MQ-9’s propeller, according to a press release by EUCOM. This forced the remotely piloted aircraft to come down. It is as yet unclear how exactly the midair occurred or whether it was intentional.
Or... Wether it was a midair at all
Is it really allowed or not ?
Here it is forbidden to fly an unmanned aircraft for example over the north sea and its wind turbines.
This was not the reaper variant. So it was just an MQ-9 drone. Lots of cameras and sensors, but no weapons.
I have no doubt it was intentional. They probably broke out the Champaign for the pilot when he returned with the dented nose section. There have been other instances of Russian aircraft engaging in close-in provocation in international waters.
@@hlusmisha The reaper violated neither russian nor ukranian airspace. The Chinese" weather balloon" flew directly over American territory, and did so for hours on end. If you have so much time to be typing here maybe you should be helping out with your beloved war by getting yourself killed to ukranian fire so your commanders can know where they are. Would be a far better Patriotic duty to your country.
In fact, the Russian pilot opened the cockpit light and threw a shovel at the NATO drone)
nice
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“... the cockpit ‘light’?”
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Russia purposely dumped fuel on our drone? In other words, they peed on one of our favorite toys out of spite.
Good.
Russian Air Force pilots call it "pissing"
wont stop us we will get the info and sell it to anyone of the US enemies since they are the world terrorists!
They must be pissed off.
*~hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh-tfu!!!!!~*
My prayers are with the Reaper's family.
rest in peace.
In a conflict which has already cost the lives of so many innocent people, your comment is simply NOT even remotely funny.
I read that the Reaper was only 2 days away from retirement.
Last job, easy task and then home.
May it rest in pieces
🥺
It had just shown me pictures of all of it's little baby drones,
waiing at home for daddy to return.
And i've read that the Reaper was actually fired from US service just before the collision and was flying on its vacation in Sevastopol😄
British Intelligence say it was 2 people in a yacht flying a kite.
So an SU-27 then.
Clearly young Warren doesn’t get it.
Some say it was T72 turret coming back down from orbit.
I tried the same joke. Yours is much better! 🙂
Were they partisans? Or one of those "pro-something" groups?? I'm sure at least one female doctor was present!
Can’t believe Russia pissed on our drone
less vodka for the nights debrief, i bet the airbase commander is going to be very unhappy with that russian pilot
@@kineticdeath Nah
@@kineticdeath More Vodka to that soldier
@@kineticdeath I bet it'll be more vodka, a medal and a sum with 6 zeroes on the pilot account.
@@kineticdeathyou need to drink less beer my friend the pilot got awarded for protection of Motherland's borders. What business USA got in Black Sea? Go back to your continent
1:08 so the Sukhois were literally taking a piss on the MQ-9? 😂
Thank God they didn't identify it as a weather balloon!
That would have been if the pilots were americans.
I identify as a weather balloon
@@yrebrac especially after Thanksgiving (not so much anymore since I can only afford a bologna sandwich for dinner now)
Good god, please do not start with victim blaming. It doesn’t matter if the drone was provocatively dressed, it shouldn’t be harassed like this.
@@yrebrac I support your right to do so. 🎈
Flankers don't fear the reaper I guess
*F-22 escort joins the hat*
@@rick7424 Try it why don't you?
The RQ-9 van carry Sidewinders and anti-tank missiles that are air-to-air capable. They should respect the Reaper or fear meeting THE Reaper
Love the Blue Oyster Cult reference
@@Digiidude the first rule of fight club is don't talk about fight club. Two cowbell demerits...
I heard it was a team of 6 "pro Russian" Ukrainian pilots including a female Dr, that brought down the Reaper Drone. They just chartered a Cessna Caravan aircraft in Romania flew up alongside the Drone and then fired 8 ball bearings from a slingshot - 6 hit and damaged the propellor.
Makes about as much sense as the media reports. Ps according to US press the pilot was a transsexual of Chinese and Native American origin 😉
Hahahaha #1
Touché! Most uninformed people will not get the innuendo. 😂
The Russian pilots peed on it.....
so the pilot opened his cockpit and hit the drone propeller with a shovel?
U saw that su 27 pilot drop a shovel on the reaper's propeller.
F22 ballon killer (with missile)
SU27 reaper killer (barehanded)
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Update Some say the flanker just pee on it
@@truthseeker3219 💀🗿
Irrefutable proof that Russian pilots play War Thunder
2:43 Another factor to consider when trying to do something like that is the speed disparity between an MQ-9 and an Su-27. An MQ-9 can comfortably fly well within the stall speed of an Su-27. On the other hand, Spitfires struggled to keep up with the V-1.
It would have been great if the Su-27 had crashed as a result. The MQ-9 is an expensive loss.
I'm curious how easy it would be to bring the M9-9 down using jetwash alone... and why they didn't try that... Or mabey they did...but Dumping fuel on it does seem like A decision that was definitely not run by superiors. Maybe a little vodka was involved. Either way, Young Ivan could have very easily crashed himself if he did indeed hit it. And in the wrong airspace it's for sure a bad look let alone the danger to himself.
@@stephenpowstinger733 was it a total write off? It sounded like they recovered the drone....
The Typhoons got the V-1 down low. Spits were usually used at higher altitudes
@@unclejoeoaklandthe Russians or the US?
Thank you for a cool and levelheaded approach to this news. I already saw people saying that MQ-9 got his first air-air kill...
On the issue: my pure speculation would be - they collided on purpose to bring it down. As you said shooting it down with weapons - one legal bagage but collision - another. And allows Russia some "manuvering" in legal area...
It also lets them skirt around questions of authorization. Shooting requires a go ahead and clearance. "Accidentally colliding" with another aircraft can be disguised as unintentional.
I just don't think it is reasonable to risk a very expensive fighter jet including the life of a pilot (yes I know russia doesn't seem to give a lot about human lifes it seems) for bringing down a relatively cheap reconnaissance drone...
@@khirillpetrov8237 How is this relevant?
The way I see it is that the drone was flying around recklessly and in an unprofessional manner and collided with Su-27 minding its own business when passing by. Result: USA is to blame. They are the bad guy. Investigation is over. Thank you very much, gentlemen.
Also allows for a successful reverse engineering project if Russia is able to recover the drone.
Thoughts and prayers for the drone 🙏
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Behind Enemy Lines !
Obama must be shaking right now. Drones were his favorite.
@@cleanerben9636 yeah Russia was being respectful of the Reaper Drone body that's why they laid it to rest at sea. Bin Laden I mean Obama approves ! 😆
poor drone, had to touch a russian jet
That fact that you have the term ''Mid-air collision'' in your title makes me highly appreciate your video.
You do not stoop down to the repulsive level of the classless decrepits that use clickbait in their video title.
Thank you for not using clickbait.
You are a good man and brilliant content creator, I thank you good sir.
The SU-27 is the most beautiful aircraft among modern fighters
Su57
All of the Flankers are beautiful
If you go so far out of your way to knock down an MQ9 over the sea, it means you are moving something by boat.
Or you have subs in the area, and they are on or near the surface.
or Victoria Nuland openly stated the US supports Ukraine striking Crimea and Russia isnt going to just stand idle while America uses drones to provide target data to himars and intel on positions.
Or it's pay back for the piple line.
Yeah..There is a war going on in that area..Maybe you didn't notice..or maybe you are plain stupid.
We have plenty of satellites 🛰 to track the Russian navy
Virgin using a $200k missile vs chad pissing on the drone
My guess is that they were going for a dump and burn maneuver on the drone, and effed up.
that is very likley tbh
No doubt Chinese fighter pilots are watching and thinking about how to make drone clipping a sport. Yes, it’s reckless, but traditionally fighter pilots are awarded for aggressiveness.
Perhaps. But not for stupidity.
@@robertfonovic3551stupid would have been gunning it down.
Gonna need to make the drones faster and more manuverable then...
And just use the power of having no pilot to make ridiculess G turns.
@@robertfonovic3551 A Chinese pilot kamikazed and forced a USN EP-3E ARIES II down on Hainan. If the pilot had lived I doubt he would have been reprimanded. A Reaper now costs over $32M. A Shenyang J-11 only costs $30M. The US is not going to retaliate, so if you’re a J-11 pilot with ambitions your going to clip the drone.
@@davidty2006 One way to interdict a recon drone mission is to force it to constantly engage in invasive maneuvers. Best case you might get the drone to crash on its own, worst case you kill the quality of surveillance data.
i mean, that's a real upside of having RPAs. no one gets hurt, you can still do the mission and arent forced into action if someone takes it down.
But that invites rogue states like Russia to perpetrate a casus belli with impunity: They engage your intel-gathering flights and agressive rogue states will then feel like there's no consequences to attacking you.
And that's also a downside. They know that they can get away with it.
An impressively detailed and cogent analysis, especially considering how recent this incident is! Kudos.
How slow can the mq-9 go? Could it fly slower than the su-27's stall speed at a given altitude? That could defeat their ability to dump fuel on it or carefully ram it.
the SU-27 can do cobra maneuver... just saying
@@georgekaradov1274 how's that gonna do anything to the drone if you don't slam into it lol
@@georgekaradov1274 COBRA THE COBRA IT CAN COBRA IT BEST JET IT CAN COBRA. The cobra is legit a useless maneuver unless done in a 1v1 dogfight and even then it’s still suicide in most situations and here it wouldn’t matter
@@bagelmaster2498 the question here is about stall speed. The SU-27 can slowdown without the danger of getting its engines going dead. That is how it manages to do the Cobra. Sooo read the context first my boy...
@@abandonedaccount123 the Cobra means that you can control the plane at extreamly low speed without stalling the engines. So the flanker can slow down as much as it needs without danger.
A retired USAF officer, speaking on Fox News, thought it highly improbable that Russia would risk a $40m aircraft and pilot to knock into the rear mounted prop of the drone.
Today, a drone that costs millions of bucks drowned, tomorrow we will see the wrecked Abrams and Leopard tanks, then the line for stealth Well, everything is like in Yugoslavia, remember the invisible plane was shot down by an ordinary missile! This Biden is not a Chinese balloon shoot down! Hehe!
You realize the MQ-9 would be recording video, right?
yeah but we also thought it was stupid for Russia to invade Ukraine but they did it anyway
@@cleanerben9636
True, today Russians are NOT known as DEEP thinkers, especially when one looks at their Mongol midget Dictator Vlad Putin and HIS "3 Day War".....that one cannot CALL a WAR in Russia!
The economic calculation depends on what are they attempting to cover by knocking out the drone.
If all they lost was the Sukhoi's radome, it is a good deal.
Clear speculation:
ROE for the Su-27 patrol would use a missile if tasked to bring down the UAV. Bring it down intact would be an Intelligence request with permission to fly recklessly. Pilot decision for collision with a getting rarer aircraft seems unlikely. A planned mission or scenario would be more likely. Turkey would be the most likely country to recover the Reaper.
It could not use missiles as this was international waters. Doing so would be a clear red line and practically invites America to contest russian airspace openly. Something russia doesn't want, nor can even hope to handle ever.
Speculation based on misinformation.
One guy in a container somewhere is now sad...
actually they threw a few big jars of kompot , one of them hit the mark .
and the best interceptor for drones is the AN2
So the Russian war plane peed on US drone and when that didn’t work he hit him with a shovel ?
Great episode!
I don't understand what the fuel dump maneuver is supposed to achieve. Is it meant to clog some vents or damage sensors?
@Syntheretique Dirty the camera lenses on the drone maybe.
Looks like the reaper got reaped! 🙃
This was not the reaper variant. So it was just an MQ-9 drone. Lots of cameras and sensors, but no weapons.
Flanker not so good at flanking
@@bigearl3867MQ-9 is always referred to as Reaper whether it's actually carrying weapons or not. The M in the designation means it's weapons-capable, and treated as an armed/fighter platform. As an analogy: we don't stop calling it a Viper just because it's on a training flight with no missiles. It's still the same airplane.
If you're thinking of the RQ-9 Pred B, that was not the aircraft in this incident. RQ-9s, which are truly unarmed, are only used by NASA, DHS, and some export contracts. All, or almost all Reapers used by the US military are indeed MQ-9 armed versions.
Pentagon says it was a reaper
Based on some quick googling, Su27 only has a handful of confirmed air-air kills. So ramming a reaper now consists of a significant percentage of all kills in the Su27's combat record. And the Su27 now has a higher confirmed hit-to-kill count than the AIM54 phoenix air to air missile.
The Iranians had hundreds of AIM-54 missiles. They used them during the Iran-Iraq war to great effect.
Guess it's time to start thinking of the Flanker as a munition instead of an airframe 😂
Aim-54 got dozens of kills during the iran-iraq war.
Tbf Russia has shot down several Ukrainian aircraft in this war; some were likely by SU-27's, and others were certainly by SU-35's.
Thought the Ghost of Kiev flew an Su27 and he shot down a bagillion enemy aircraft on the first afternoon of the war.
There was no collision. The massive dump of fuel broke or bent the Reaper's prop blades which caused massive engine vibration which was terminal. The flickering shown at the end of the video was simply the passing Russian jet overshadowing the satellite link transponder and disrupting transmission momentarily. The bulk of the liquid fuel coming into contact with the propellor would create a very solid impact which no propellor on any aircraft could withstand without some damage. Prop damage = vibration = engine failure or break-free of mountings. Pity the Russian pilot didn't do a "dump & burn" rather than a simple dump. That would have been really spectacular on the 9 o'clock news.
They did the same but with AA missiles in Georgia 2008. Also to a TB2 recently.
That part of the Black Sea is oceanic, with depths of 2 km or more. It would be very difficult to recover any pieces that have sunk (most will have sunk).
Уже достали any pieces 😁, take away that
uhm... The USA has 8km + deep dive recovery drone subs.....
@@marcoflumino 1. They have to find the wreckage first. If it broke up on impact (likely), then pieces can become quite spread out after sinking through two kilometers of water.
2. Unlike at water depths up to a few hundred feet, you can't use imaging sonar from the surface over a wide area to find the pieces. You need to narrow the search area down to a really small zone and search there using a submersible sonar array. Not easy!
3. They have to get the resources there and be comfortable carrying out a salvage operation near hostile waters, with Russian aircraft and ships likely interfering as much as they can without being outright hostile. And also watch for mines.
Not saying it can't be done, but it's going to be really, really difficult unless the drone landed intact and they have the position down very accurately.
I would dismiss unprofessionalism. Plausible deniability but it was taken down.
It was in international airspace, please explain how this was a "professional' course of action.
@@bcanuck North Stream pipelines were also in international waters...
The red herring you use as an argument leads me to believe you can't deny that the action was unprofessional.
@@bcanuck A recon asset working elint near their major base is fair game as it is supplying Ukraine with data. This used to happen a lot in the past and they were called near collisions but many were actual brushes. The drone was a recon asset providing data to the enemy they are currently engaged. You don't seem to catch undertones. Russian pilots are spoiling for a fight. They were told to bring it down but not to fire on it and executed their job professionally. They are not calling the shots but doing their job.
The Ruskies are cranking things up a gear.
Last weekends 2 x Kinzhals into N.A.T.O./Ukraine Air Defence H.Q. in Livov with 40 K.I.A. Senior N.A.T.O. Brass was just the start of the 'Gloves are Off'' Phase.
what about specific point of a crash site? how far from coast? what deep? if 60 km (as Russians say) its may be already captured
Not if the turkish navy has anything to say about it. It's on their doorstep.
2 jets 1 drone
The slow Reaper got tired of the sleek pointy noses tailgating and decided to do a brake check.
A brake check that failed hard, downed itself, and now is in an Iranian engineer hands.
Very, very smart, don't you think?
@@sombraarthur Can't we take some things as just humor man?
Ok, I'll play. The yanks have undoubtedly done risk analysis when planning to fly that close to the Russian waters.
A single Reaper drone is also nothing compared to the crazy stuff the Ukrainians have managed to capture from Russians to our common benefit.
Although, what do the Iranians have to gain from such old technology?
They are already developing their unmanned stealth fighters after all 😂
@@veeaa oh, it was a joke! Sorry, I didn't get it at the start. My bad!
"A single Reaper drone is also nothing compared to the crazy stuff the Ukrainians have managed to capture from Russians to our common benefit."
Not really, as the West already has those "tech" studied and understood. Russia has not used anything modern, if we don't take into account the Kinzhal missiles fired last (or was it this?) week.
Everything else is same old, same old. Russia is using low tech gear against Ukraine, because they know they don't need more than that to make Ukraine see its foolishness and stop being the West proxy.
@@sombraarthur Sorry to ruin your dreams but Russian losses have been heavily weighted towards modern equipment. Hundreads of their most modern T-72 variants, hundreds of T-80s and at least dozens of T-90s if not already in the hundreads. They are running out of their most modern tanks which is why they are digging up their T-62 from museums to have some modern tanks left for defending the motherland for the silly idea that anyone would actually want to attack Russia. Those belonged to the most elite troops of Russian army, for example the 1st guards tank army. Russia is clearly using most of other of their best troops like VDV too.
Su-34, Su-30 have been shot down and recovered by Ukraine and the only things more modern Russians have is the Su-57, of which they only have a handful.
Ka-52 and Mi-28 helicopters are top of the line and guess how many dozens of them have been splashed and captured?
Yeah, top of the line GBAD systems, command and control centers, super classified EWS systems and EWS pods have been captured, the list is massive and that's all top of the line most secret stuff Russians have for front line operations.
@@sombraarthur How is Ukraine being a proxy by the way? How was it a threat to Russia in any way with it's massively inferior forces in the beginning of the war?
If Russia wanted to keep NATO further away for some reason, (and why would NATO be a threat to Russia anyway?), then it has achieved exactly the opposite by being the biggest fool, being the best NATO expansion salesman, best western weapons arms salesman and the uniter of Europe. Oh and they just so happened to destroy most of their best military crap, their economy and their future all in one go. Great job.
The US government stated that before the crash the Reaper was sent a command to erase the software onboard.
Interesting.
I would have assumed that this reset would be the default. i.e. if the aircraft doesn't get home to base on within a reasonable timeframe, then it wipes itself.
They did say that, but I would have thought that its hardware would be more important then its software
@@SubtleForces The hardware would indeed be very sensitive.
There's a difference between knowing the specs of a military device, and actually seeing how its made. Understanding how surveillance gear is put together is hugely valuable to Russia, China (and most everyone else for that matter.)
@@w0mblemania It is called sanitize. All data including software is securely overwritten.
@@w0mblemania Probably not all that sensitive these days most of the magic is done in software and we are talking about an MQ-9 the most sensitive hardware is probably the EO sensor and that just isn't that big of a deal. MQ-9s are an asset that if it gets captured is along the lines of oh well.
The Way I understand it, is MQ-9 fly too close to the Russian black sea fleet base with it's transponder off, is that right?
Since everyone plays the plausible deniability game, what would the Russians say if the drone had "spontaneously and accidentally" self-destructed and taken the jet down with it over international waters?
Impossible, nowhere to put explosives to hide them from the pilot they re not dumb 🤣
@@AlenB29 The Reaper may have a sensor container. Or a false sensor container ;).
@@vojtechpribyl7386 which the russians know what it is and will spot anything unusual..
@@AlenB29 You can certainly make the false container look like the real deal if you wanted to. It's still a container. You can't see inside.
Putin would throw a fit and kill some Ukrainians civilians while they sleep. That's all he can do. He can't win any kind of engagement with the west and we know he won't use nukes as long as he thinks there is any chance he will win, and nobody will tell him that he's going to lose, so it'll never happenm
SU 27 nudged the drone.
F22 shoots balloons.
F35 version kamizake..
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Key question is whether the transponder was on or off
Reports claim off.
@@stevehartwell1861 One of the comments above claims it have been tracked in flightradar therefore the transponder was on. I DIDN'T check that myself.
@@TheUmbralPresence Moscow claims they went to intercept because transponder went from on to off. Plausible.
@@stevehartwell1861 I know. Just providing an alternative viewpoint.
We know that the MQ-9 had its transponder on because it have been tracked in flightradar.
Before putting the word "collision" in your title, are you made sure it was a collision?
Thanks for the no nonsense, measured reporting
Had to happen some time, with the US providing 24/7 ISR to the Ukrainians. Hope it doesn't go farther than this.
- *"Hope it doesn't go farther than this"*
Future.
Piloted by unknown forces, Soviet Tupolev Tu-141 Strizh drones used by Ukrainian nazis (US and NATO soldiers) attacked the American Elmendorf-Richardson airbase in Alaska and Space Force Base Vandenberg.
How could this happen? Who did it?
It will America is spoiling for a way to get directly involved instead of letting the Rooskies find a way out with out looking too much worse.
@@SpaceA. Stop making threats and actually do something already.
most ambitious crossover event in history
Bonus content. Yes!
Rest in International Waters - MQ9 Reaper
*Curb Your Enthusiasm theme begins playing*
The Reaper might have had some advanced surveillance pods installed, like the Gordon Stare system.
This was not the reaper variant. So it was just an MQ-9 drone. Lots of cameras and sensors, but no weapons.
What thinking the same. Despite being an "old" platform, pretty sure there is stuff in the pods, that DOD/USAF does not what to end up in Russia or worse places. But on the other hand, a normal engine failure could also happen, so there must be plans to prevent this from happening is any scenario... But maybe that plan is to crash it so hard into the water, that nothing survives....
@@bigearl3867 It was an MQ-9 Reaper. All MQ-9 drones are Reaper.
The su 27 struck the propeller of mq 9 reaper in an environmentally unsound way😅. How do you struck the propeller which is in the middle part considering the reaper has wider wingspan than Sukhoi 27
Ehm... The propeller of the MQ-9 is at the rear of the drone....
@@marcoflumino ya still in the middle part not around wingtips
Time for the MQ-9 to get 'chaff' to deploy, which would be a shame if it was able to get past FOD guards.
They rammed it! The nose of those aircraft are mainly just a hollow cone with a radar array, I'm unsure if that was the part of the aircraft that made contact with the drone, it just stands to reason for me.
Shooting it down would have escalated things.
We have to collect that drone before they do! Unless it's a drone that has sensors that wouldn't reveal our full capability.
Bro, you're giving the "i hit his fist with my face" vibe
@@fidelmax4787 The queerest response. Not very interesting, though.
If u have no idea what happened then why assume u do
If by we you mean US then I have bad news for you, no US military ship is allowed inside Black Sea.
@@sealandsand1225 that's not true, America does freedom of navigation missions in the black Sea routinely. No country is blocked from the black Sea, it's an international waterway
Yeahhhhhhhhh mid are collision! Lol I’d say it was more likely they gave the prop something to eat like a nose cone.
More likely the missle rail on the wingtip
What I don't get is that according to Flightradar24 these were FORTE (callsign) missions out of Sicily - and as usual they are conducted with an MQ-4 Global Hawke; a whole diferent ballgame. The one is a reconaissance aircraft, the other one being a CAS for boots on the ground. Who is telling rubbish?
Dumping fuel is supposed to be an insult. Like a dog pissing on a fire hydrant. My neighborhood.
A Russian Pilot shared the real story with me. He had an alternate theory that made me laugh -
He said the Russian pilot had a choice of throwing Potatoes or pouring Vodka onto the Drone -
Being properly trained -- He kept the Potatoes -- Drank the Vodka -- And threw out the empty bottles at the drone
Are the Russian sending a message to the US? There is only one way to find out? Continue to do the same. The Russian knows the US drones are providing the Ukrainian army with battlefield and targeting information?
Of course they know. The US government bragged about helping sink the Moscow months ago. The question is, why retaliate now?
@@MrWolfstar8 Looks like something big is gonna happen...
The legend has it the su 27 pilot openen his cockpit and threw a net at the mq 9 propeller
4:50 Turkey has closed access to the Black Sea for military ships. The drone can be recovered by civilian ships.
Thank you!
Our thoughts and prayers are with the drone that safely and professionally searched for the Gulf of Tonkin in the Black Sea.
Good one 👍
From the russian video , the drone didn't have usaf markings , that's fishy by itself.
Otoh i'm surprised russians allow a hostile nation to fly reccoinasance missions in behalf of their enemy so close to their land
Allow what, it's international airspace. They have no more right to attack other country's property there than China does.
@@George_M_ "rights" LOL
They were probably trying to cause a flame-out or dangerous over-speed condition in the engine by spraying it with fuel.
May be the guy controlling the reaper ain that good and clipped the jets while they were escorting it... though clipping one aircraft with another sounds a bit made up ....an aircraft touching another is certified straight trip to the other side for both parties
It would be interesting to know the loadout of that Reaper. Was it observational sensors, or did it have something a bit more spicy? The Flanker pilots saw it first hand. In other words, what is the bigger threat: cameras or paveway systems? Knowing the loadout would help understanding Russian pilot motive in this incident.
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It can't carry anything particularly heavy. The hellfires are very light and it can only carry a handful of those. I'm not sure what impact a set of hellfires would have, but it would be much less than a camera taking pictures.
@Moop the MQ-9 can carry 2 500lb GBU-12's and 4 Hellfire missiles. For this mission it was unarmed.
Did you report on the north stream sabotage? Did you talk about the Sy Hersh report that sabotage?
Bro, this is an aviation channel.
Very good question all those talkabays
Ignore the real truth
That is why if push come to shove Russia should be prepared for full Nuclear war
Let us all go singing
you did not even consider that the fuel dump may have damaged the propeller!
"Humans are not the top species on the planet because we are nice. We are very aggressive. It's inherent in us ....[As Americans] I worry that we think we are always the good guys. If we ever thought we are not always the good guys, we would be involved in less wars." .... American author and Vietnam Veteran, Karl Marlantes, commenting on American involvement in the Vietnam War
Why MQ-9 in black sea!!!!
With the propeller being hidden by the 3 fins, it has to have been a very deliberate action. Will be interesting to see if we ever get video or something, explaining how they did it. Can't imagine they poked it with the pitot tube. So nose gear maybe? Risky maneuver either way
I thought wingtip, but, instead of tipping it like a V-1, as the video mentioned, you hit the the turboprop.
Wing tip pylon
I also vote for a mock wingtip thingy that breaks away👍
Considered a modified landing chute dragging behind the Su27 and tangling the Reaper's prop and airframe. But would be a higher risk. 👎
Keep in mind plan "A" was fuel dumping to affect the engine? Set it on fire?
i suspect the pilot who contacted the drone got chewed out for being stupid with an expensive jet
@@jessestreet2549 Is it doctrine for them to follow orders or to self direct?
I think it happened because the fighter pilot did not realize how slow the drone was and he was flying too fast.
Gently touch the drone and not get hurt yourself, this is a great professionalism.😂Pissing it with fuel is generally cool.)))
The environmentalal dig by the US in their statement was funny. Like they are not dumping tonnes of fuel every day all over Europe right now.
The Reaper could have a self-destruct mechanism on it to go off when interfered with by enemy aircraft This could deter any further incidents
Better to just fly into the Russian aircraft as soon as it does unsafe maneuvers, aiming for the air intakes. Then you can just blame the russian pilot, condemning russia for colliding with the drone.
@@devrerffs better just not fly near russian borders and stay in usa.
Too complex, too heavy, too much of a security risk on ground. Every drone would have to be handled like live ordnance, just not worth it for what is at least 20 year old tech.
@inf11 Why? This wasn't even remotely close to Russian airspace considering Crimea us Ukrainian.
@@inf11 yeah because the russians love respecting borders
Russians were flying just in front of it and dumped fuel and tried to damage it with turbulence as this has less diplomatic issues than directly shooting it down. This is a common practice from Russian pilots in international airspace near to russian territories and there has been over 20 similar incidents during the last few years. They often drive just in front, dangerously close and dropping flares behind them, dumping fuel and with turbulence trying to disrupt the aircraft.
20 incidents? Then why they keep sending drones to near russia?
@@bataatulgaa9324 to keep giving Intel to the Ukrainians.
Biden loves war and will do anything to escalate even as the republicans close in on Hunter Biden.
@@justinwilliams2000 what!? naaaw man, they're out sight seeing. you've had one too many vodka.
Others are saying it was a weather balloon. Not sure !!
Should get Jorge Sprave to invent a Steel Ball ejection system with rubber to enter the SU27 air intakes to disable their jet engines.
What do Chinese balloons and American drones have in common? both fell
Looking at the video from the reaper it seems the SU27 bent the prop by hitting it with its afterburner diffuser. It was a very impressive bit of aerobatic flying. That Ruski pilot is a really cool dude.
Maybe - I think they were trying to bounce it with the jet wash and hit it by accident
does anyone know why the reaper often flies with the gear down ?
There is no retractable gear on the Reaper
@@Markle2k That’s not correct. It does have retractable gear, the reason that most of the videos show the gear extended is it just took off.
@@usafveteranandaproudlibera1658 I stand corrected. It looks so much like the geometry of a Long-EZ with those tiny wheels on stalks
@@Markle2k The wheels are small.
what us intel appears to be really intrigued with is this technology of downing drones
The only previous shoot downs of such drones I'm aware of were in the airspace of other countries, thus making them fair game. This is the first one in international waters that I'm aware of.
It wasn't shot down, DUH!
They are telling us it was over the Black Sea. We don’t know for sure where the crash occurred yet is my understanding. It could’ve been flying over land and intentionally flown out to the nearby Black Sea to create a story for the media.
No. There was one Iran shot down.
@@tomsmith7207 Thanks for giving a heads-up on the latest Russki lies.
Iran shot one down over persian gulf
As soon as Russians take to the sky they automatically fly unsafe maneuvers 🤣
Update.
Judging by released footage from MQ-9.
SU-27 did mange to damage the propeller enough with a fuel dump + some sort of high G maneuver (not sure). Some damage on the prop is visible.
Footage feels incomplete thou...
Video from SU-27 is absent altogether. I think it is unlikely that we will see it.
Russian official news channels state that the MQ-9 did a sudden unsafe extreme maneuver, lost control and fell down by itself. Ohh well, predictable of them (news channels that is).
This is bery strange. The drone flys very slow and the russian jets cant fly that slow or stall, and how did they damage the drone? I have alot of questions.
When a powerful jet engine exhaust is in front of another aircraft, there are catastrophic consequences. In this case, the drone “light-silent” rear propeller would spin too fast and brake up. All the pilot had to do is make a close pass at “full throttle”
The American Airlines Flight 587 crash initial cause was turbulence from another airplane 4 miles ahead.
These drones are good against nations without air force, not Russia…
At least they didn't waste 200k missile to shoot baloon
Haters will literally praise this caveman behavior because they're mad at the US being wealthy enough to afford missiles.
@@ChucksSEADnDEAD US being so helpless shooting meteorological balloon for 1 week
@@ChucksSEADnDEAD lol nop not really
Alot of people including my self are planing to move out of US because its so GOOD lol
@@benpavlovic9922 You just hate to admit that you been bored to pile up all that money that overflooded you and all Americans. 🤭
Now this is UNDENIABLY much cooler than poppin a weather balloon with an air to air overkill.
Russians always like to "renew" their reputation of badassery 🔥🔥🔥
Gently touch the drone and not get hurt yourself, this is a great professionalism.😂Pissing it with fuel is generally cool.)))
Yeah u.s use f22 missile to shot down Chinese balloon
Crashed something that can at least fly not float, that too with even spending a bullet.
Chris, I follow UA-camr Max Afterburner, who's a former USAF fighter pilot. He shared his thoughts on the incident, and he thought it was an accident on the part of the Russian pilot. Russian pilots, as a rule, are poorly trained. He said that the Su-27 pilot's airmanship (i.e. command of his aircraft) was lacking, and he accidentally impacted the Reaper when it wasn't his intent to do so.
As long as they dont touch our boats
'reckless environmentally unsound behavior', say the guy that blew up a gas pipeline and released 778 millions cubic meter of gas in process.
It was ecofriendly explosion!!
Like Deepwater Horizon
@Saturated sausage
This is the biggest bollocks I've read today... Why would they destroy a delivery system which was making them money? If they no longer wanted to deliver gas through the pipeline, they could've switched it off any time on their side. - we will most likely don't know the actual perpetrator for 30+ years.
Q. What was the Reaper doing in International Airspace?
A. It's International Airspace, so anything it damn well wants to do, within the rules of international flight.
The Su27 itself probably took damage during the event. No way to tell in advance how catastrophic the damage would be. A drone isn't worth the risk. This action was to great of a danger to the Su27 itself to be deliberate.
But dumping fuel?
dumping fuel = pee
nothing happened, there was no any collision
Ward Caroll has published the MQ-9 camera footage. That was some highly reckless manouevre by the Su-27.
EUCOM published the MQ-9 camera footage