Chrono Trigger On PC Needs Help
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- Опубліковано 3 жов 2024
- Fans are super not happy with Square Enix's recent release of their undisputedly classic video game Chrono Trigger on PC. In a statement on the game's Steam store page, Square Enix said they have heard players' complaints and are looking into making amends. I say we should brace ourselves for the distinct possibility that they're going to do the least work possible to make the game look only slightly better. Here's a realistic video delving into the typography and text window color of the game. Okay, that makes this video sound like homework for a graphic design class. I promise there's some fun in here, too.
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As a graphic designer, I can tell you that I did this once, and what happened was that they LOVED the hideous design. I learned a valuable lesson that day. VERY VALUABLE.
Take the money and run?
Basically... and I never count on clients having good taste. In fact, I've learned that 9 times out of 10 they prefer the one you like the least. YUp
Isn't the irony of this that more clients may be interested in hiring you, but other creative artists might be less likely to want to work with you on grounds that you sold out and sacrificed your artistic integrity?
What a conundrum.
There's artistic integrity and then there's times when clients just don't want to hear it. You can't make someone have good taste. That being said, I'm always happy with designs I present now because of this situation.
@@irriadin actually, the fact that you assume you have good taste, yet when you stop 'having' good taste, in your opinion, you're successful. Rather then face the hard truth that you are superior to others, you double down and say that people are idiots and that you're still amazing. Interesting.
It's not a matter that you sold out, it's honestly the fact that you're an arrogent asshole who thinks you know better then others. Humility would serve you better then your current attitude, as you're not taking the time to learn why the choice you dind't like was preferred by your clients, and instead, you're on a path that will lead you to believe that you can do no wrong, AND that you can be lazy. Thus, you're on a course that will lead you to failure.
"Smartphones are going to be competing with the sun, until the human race is the dust of a memory, in whatever sleeping giant is dreaming us." - Tim Rogers 2017
This sentence literally made me fall in love with this dude.
I am no Kotaku fan, but hell i am a Tim Rogers fan from now on!
As an artist, I often give clients *exactly* what they ask for, in the hopes that they'll see how unfortunate it looks. 90% of the time, they can be convinced to go in an aesthetically better direction. The other 10%? Not so much...
As someone who has designed a T-shirt once or twice I can tell you that pixels are everything. Without pixels the universe would cease to exist. The only thing smaller than an atom are the pixels that make up that atom.
What? No. What?
The universe is made up of voxels. Pixels are the 2-Dimensional counterpart to voxels.
WTF
Can confirm.
Mei Ousei, _yes,_ long live me!!!
WHY WOULD THEY CHANGE THE LINE JURASSIC RHYTHM?!!
"Jurassic" is a slur that offends people from the prehistoric era, obviously.
I am assuming they didn't want people to think, "Wtf is "Jurassic mean?" because they are incapable of googling the word...
Stupid ass Squaresoft
Because it is a reference to the Prehistoric era that you later go to. Which isn't called the Jurassic era.
Nibernator
Blame Square Enix, not the original devs at Squaresoft.
Why change any lines for that matter? It's more work, and everyone bitched about it. Obviously it was as waste of money and time on their part.
Stop making videos, Tim Rogers. I can't afford to fall in love with you any deeper.
WIDESCREEN VIDEO GAMES WITH PIXEL ART FOREVER
Now can we PLEASE get ROCKSTAR GAMES and REMEDY to PATCH THEIR FREAKIN PC GAMES from the PS1 and PS2/ORIGINAL XBOX GENERATIONS since some of them haven’t received an update for such a long time that they no longer work properly on Modern PCs and some of them still don’t have that Controller Support that the more modern PC GAMES from the PS3/XBOX 360 and PS4/XBOX ONE generations do?
A port of a port is no longer a video game. It merely a trace of a video game. It is a simulacrum of a video game.
Rico Sanchez twice removed from its Super Nintendo form.
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like homeopathy!
You're a symbol crumb.
champion lemon lime Lol
roguecactus7 this pc port makes it thrice removed, dont forget the (flawless) DS remake that added content!
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pixel girl If you had made this comment yesterday it would have been perfect.
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Thank You
They call me Gato I have a massive stash. If you don't buy it now there's going to be a video game crash!
Legit, Tim Rogers is the hero we need...
no
Deserve?
Reported.
This kind of crap is why I refuse to buy games when they're new. I let all the other suckers find all the kinks and yell at the devs about them. Plenty of other non-mobile ports to play on Steam.
I feel if they're going to intentionally give us a garbage version, we should go play an emulation of the original. Don't wanna give me the real version? I'll just go get it myself, then I'll be up a good game, and you'll be out the money I would have happily paid you if you hadn't been the very definition of half the problems in the AAA gaming industry!
Hey, the phone/tablet version of FF Tactics is good. (I used a tablet, and you can change the button size)
The problem isn't that it's a bad game, the problem is it's a game designed for mobile being run on a PC. On mobile it's not nearly as bad because it was designed with that in mind, essentially just copy pasting it over to steam doesn't work because what might work on a mobile device just looks plain ugly on a PC.
This was really well written and delivered.
I'm incredibly sad about the poor quality of Square PC ports. These are the games I grew up with, and I can't experience them in an acceptable way except in their original formats.
The first thing you nitpicked, about the drums and the title, at first I had no idea what you were on about, but once I saw it, it's actually a little heartbreaking that, like you said, the very first important moment of the game is off.
Square Enix has no idea what a shovel knight is.
I feel bad for whoever was put in charge of crapping out this port.
maybe that's why they rounded the edges...
A long ass time ago my friend and I hooked up a NES to a 70" Mitsubishi plasma TV and played Metal Gear 1 on it. The pixels were fucking HUGE! And we loved it!! Seriously that day cemented my disgust of masks & filters that blur pixel art, I want my games to be sharp as a tack, not making me wonder if I need to clean my eyeballs.
It's almost weird to see a mainstream gaming site put in effort on content that is actually related to videogames these days. Good on you, Kotaku!
True. I was shocked when I realized it was Kotaku halfway the video. It has the passionate value of an amateur production.
yeah i make sure to bring my passionate amateurishness with me wherever i go
Get this man a raise, Kotaku! This is a written endorsement from an anonymous UA-camr!
what in god's name is wrong with the tiles, anyway? they're like... smoothed, but not into each other. you can see a weird optical illusion of a grid in there. it's nasty.
I think that's an effect of graphics stretching... I think.
its an effect uf using a down ressed version. The mobile port has it to. They changed the res DOWN for the mobile port, and because of it, nothing lines up. has nothing to do with widescreen.
I play the snes version on emulator on widescreen (streched) and its flawless. The issue is seriously because the base port they used is fucked
To me it looks like the graphics were scaled up using something like a hq2x/hq3x filter commonly found in emulators. At least that's the feeling I get looking at the sprites' outlines.
These kinds of scaling algorithms take adjacent pixels into account in an attempt to retain the shapes in the original pixel art when scaling up, giving a sharper (or sometimes smoother, anti-aliased) look where other more traditional algorithms like bilinear scaling would just make things blurry.
But instead of applying the filter on the whole screen post-rendering like emulators do, they put it on all their assets first, then render the scaled-up tiles individually. Hence the "seams" between them.
But that's just a hunch. In any case, it looks hilariously bad!
Yeah, basically they ran a filter over all the background tiles in the game without any attention to how they line up, meaning that they have noticeable border when placed in the world.
Slime Bucket they didn't downres anything. The Super Nintendo has a resolution between 256x224 and 512x448 depending on if you were willing to sacrifice colors and layers (the vast majority of games did not want the trade off and ran at 256x224 to use the full feature set of the console).
Even the highest resolution (which only got you 4 colors and 2 layers iirc) was lower the phone resolution from 8 years ago.
If they still using "Jurassic Rhythm", everyone will recognise the tune of Jurassic Park theme.
But you're still hungry.
but the future refused to change
Tim Rogers, please just make your own youtube channel. I'd subscribe, I'd put BIG money towards a patreon, buy Tim Rogers shirts, please. You're too good for Kotaku.
On the flipside, he might be able to change Kotaku for the better.
Admittedly, it's unlikely that there will be an influx of people like him so that a significant change will occur, let alone reach a revolution in the higher up positions.
he did
Hey, I'm from the future, he did and it's "EPIC."
OH my Gawd! How can 1 video be so insightful yet SO HILARIOUS at the SAME TIME?!?!? I don't know but you did it. You DID it. Subscribed!!!!
Is it just me? or does it seem like they actually used this as a reference for the update?
*Oh, prehistoric rhythm ♪*
*Jurassic ♪ rhythm ♪*
Tim Rogers did you just call the text 'heroic ruggedness'?
I do some graphic design; yeah you’re not wrong. Also, I just binged almost everything with a Tim Rogers VO; love the writing and editing, man.
How to fix the game...
Play it on the SNES.
Isn't it a port of a port, of a port, of a port, of an SNES game?
1. SNES - The only version worth playing.
2. Playstation - Added the FMV anime cut scenes.
3. Nintendo DS - Added the crummy new dungeons and the new ending.
4. Mobile - Added the mobile UI crap.
5. Steam - Added the soul-crushing disappointment.
How are the FMV cutscenes a dealbreaker that make the game not worth playing? Or the (COMPLETELY OPTIONAL) extra content in the DS version?
The new translation in the DS version onward could be a dealbreaker for some. Though I don't know why folks think "Y'all got whacked 'cuz you're weak" is something Magus would say, or how they can stomach Frog's entirely incorrect old-timey English.
The problem with the psx version is the good awful load times. I thought everyone knew about that?
@@julesmcgrules3860 load times suck, but you get used to them over time...
Jules McGrules We’re mostly on emulators where load times are reduced.
PS2 on Fast load speed settings fixes it
I can't tell if Tim Rogers is an angry human on downers or an angry robot on uppers.
He's an angry something on something, that's for sure.
WOW those tiles are bad. It’s really distracting.
I'm just thankful to be playing this on my 3DS, now that's an awesome version.
Finally someone who respects the DS version of Chrono Trigger
All the Menubuttons are so big because the mobile version was a port of the NDS Version, which had touch controls. So this is a port (to PC) of a port (to mobile phone) of a port (to NDS). A true Frankenstein's Monster of gaming history!
meat grinder handle turners
"No major app on your phone has a black background" ha ha god i wish
Got me a good ol' Windows Phone
wow owned
What are you doing at Kotaku Tim? Start your own analysis channel! :D
he needs money for food
You got what you asked for
From what i can remember, on the SNES version, one of the buttons could actually switch the text box to the top of the screen and vice-versa. I just can't remember which button was...
i think it was Y
Well said. Tbh they could have emulated the SNES or PS1 version had no issues. I hope SE sort out this version but I doubt it. A wide-screen version would be amazing tbf. The games a masterpiece
The great thing about Tim videos is that he can speak from life experience about design and development. Designers 100% do the, "Okay, but it will look bad..." thing. I like to joke that that's what got us the N64 controller. Am I joking, though?
The most charismatic man on Earth that gives a flying f about old games.
09:25 Nice Lovecraft/Cthulhu reference there, lmao
0:48 No, you got it wrong: The pc version is a port of the mobile version, yeah. But it doesn't end there: The mobile version is a port from the Nintendo DS version, is this one is a port from the original SNES version. So we're four levels deep in our port-ception..
I am a graphic designer and I most definitely do this. And they barely ever wanna change it back to the good version....
the health bars are from the DS port which the mobile port is based on. the battle menu was on the bottom screen so as to leave the top screen free of any HUD clutter. there was an option to turn the health bars off though..
This is what happens when someone catches Deadpool, ties him up, and forces him to read this game stuff without cussing and by being less colorful but still being as honest as possible. He has to do it or they will shoot the Unicorn, burn it, and toss it in a wood chipper.
OMG REALLY??? a square port that sucks??? wow this is unheard of, that has never happened before. oh gee square i hope you wont make this a trend
also tim you're great i love your content thanks for all your work
The DS port of chrono trigger was really good...
pentagonofpeople Because they didn’t touch a thing. They modernized frog’s speech a little which is questionable but aside from that it’s 1:1 with the Super Nintendo and PS1 versions
Captain Coolguy They changed a lot of the text, including changing names of enemies and races, and added an extra ending. There were some significant changes, but it worked out for the better and didn't ruin the game.
The same can not be said about this PC port.
Saint Nick I mean, some text really isn’t what I’d call major. Without textual changes it’d be a straight copy/paste
kotaku?? seriously they made this..well..You sir have talent! "this gradient is HOT"
Being a graphic designer and creating things for clients who have no faith in our experience and would rather direct us in their own misguided direction is literally 95% of the job. It's difficult sneaking in the good stuff, but we definitely try. 🙃
Thanks @108 for saving Chrono Trigger pendulum
birthday shout out to Tim Rogers, not cause it's his birthday, but about the birthday date thing on Steam
They wanted a quick buck
Chee Rpgg Could've just put the snes version on steam for a quicker buck and had overwhelming positive reviews.
Even an emulator wrapper thingie would have been better.
I commend the hard work Tim put into this. No wonder he's going to die not-hungry.
That's what you get with a portport.
the text boxes could be swapped positions by pressing Y. Ted Woosley jacked up the original translation (see Frog's entire script from him, completely off base. No one else from his time period talks like that, it makes no damn sense)
What’s funny is that lifebar below the character wasn’t even in the mobile port it’s the one thing that was developed for the pc port
Bring Chrono Trigger to the Switch
Like that’s ever going to happen. Lmfao!!!
Seeing the screenshots side-by-side made me realize they added a contrast filter in addition to the crappy pixel interpolation in the new version. I was wondering why it made my eyes hurt to look at the new one.
Also amusing how when you spoke about the text boxes being smaller to make more of the world visible, it showed that they cropped some of the top and bottom of the screen to make it fit the wider screen, thus showing less of the world when the text box was missing.
It was a mobile version port, because Squarenix is lazy. I'd gladly pay $60 for a direct to PC port of the DS version with SNES translation.
its gotten better since this video.
How to create a good remake to port to PC in 2018 -
Step 1: DON'T JUST PORT THE SHITTY MOBILE VERSION.
You'd literally have a higher percentage of satisfied customers if you just packaged a SNES emulator with the rom of your game. Why? Because it would look and play far better. Console dev companies are trying to breach the PC market without attempting to understand PC gamers. Nobody drops the price of a used car on a high-end gaming rig because they want to play piss-poor ports of games that would have looked and played just as well on their phones.
Speaking as someone who played the hell out of games in that era, old games weren't pixelated. They were rendered on cathode ray tubes, which meant that they rendered at half-height and with visible gaps between pixels. The result is that they looked soft and rounded.
That said, all you need to look good is a simple (and optional) black lines overlay that has thick horizontal lines and narrow vertical lines with some softness on both to simulate a CRT TV. Then just use the old pixelart and make it wide-screen and beautiful. And allow weirdos to turn it off because they want jaggy pixels.
i, too, am Literally 39 Years Old and spent most of my teenage years wearing sweatpants and replaying squaresoft games, so i also have a soft spot for that hot soft glow of a CRT.
having said that, i desire jagged pixels because i know, in my heart, that those perfect square shapes are in fact the Heart Of The Game. they are the exact shape of the information the software is expressing.
so what i'm saying is, a jagged pixel option is mandatory for someone with my weirdo philosophy, for what i hope is a not-incomprehensible reason lol
a scanline filter is nice and i'd probably use it, though let's start by demonstrating that the game is made of pixels . . .
Tim - you're awesome.
Small request : Can you make the videos louder? :)
They so completely fucked up the graphics - it is horrible - it looks worse than just playing the original game.
thank goodness there are emulators.
The textures got a filter run over them without ever checking if there are border-errors. Like every single textures is fucked up to the point that if you delivered such textures back in the PS2 or earlier time you would get fired - and Never find a job in gaming again. it is just horrendous.
At least the managed to allow you the use of the mouse - and still butchered that by not really adjusting it form mobile to PC usage.
Tim Rogers, this video made me instantly want to seek out your content cuz you speak with a rhythm and cadence that is delightful, yet has ASMR qualities of dreaminess. Alas, all you do are videos for Kotaku... This will have to do for now.
Uh... the proper name for that font is Chicago. It's been on Macs for years, and as you already know, isn't exclusive to Chrono Trigger.
However, it's nice to know everything about mobile port making.
Why do companies port the mobile versions for fuck sake. Just cause it’s cheaper doesn’t mean it’s a good idea.
I love your videos. "Look at these huge honkin buttons" lol
Quality weird fiction selection, Tim.
I did enjoy the absurdity of this video, but I also couldn't play my PC version at all because (regardless of keyboard/mouse or controller), my character would always just rush left as if a button was depressed. Couldn't change key bindings or have any other button functionality except "esc" which brought up a joystick on screen that I couldn't manipulate.
So I bought it for my DS and lost myself to the nostalgia that way. Now if only Xenogears would get any kind of re-release at all....
Xenogears was a game of Epic proportions. Have searched a great many times to see if I can find anything. I have found slight rumors that it is a possibility. We know how rumors are though. Xenosaga is also in the rumor mill to be remastered (and possibly remade in some ways..I mean Xeno 2 combat...oi...). So it would most definitely be nice to see the games, with updated graphics and maybe even previously removed content. Would love to have them extend the game where it becomes mostly story. We can dream. I mean they did actually put the Xenogears itself as a special fight in World of Final Fantasy. Who's to say that isn't them seeing how much hype it might cause.
Maybe it's one of those things where Square is waiting "for the right time" or "right graphics". Who knows...but yes, we can dream.
yea...I guess it depends on places, but my place, bosses don't care about designs, and they just ask us to change something. No matter how many times we explain that it's a bad idea. :(
they didn't show more of the world with the widescreen, they just stretched the pixels.
I'm not a fan of sacrificing aspect ratio for widescreen.
A letdown. Snes looks better. They fucked up by adding graphic stuff... makes the game very blocky and the sprites are ugly as well. Sometimes it's better not to touch it unless you're going to make it true HD. This is very bad!
And all this because not enough people bought the DS port... which was a great port, but they hardly did any PR for it. Man, I just want more of the chrono series. Cross has still not come officially to erope yet!
For me, they don't even have to make it widescreen. Just give me a direct port of the SNES or PS1 version with steam achievements.
Sounds like a desperate cry for a modder to me....
I guess since I already have the mobile version there's no need to get the PC one. I still have hope it will be remastered like Secret of Mana (except I hope they have the character's mouths actually moving when they speak).
Good video, good job Tim.
i think the health bar is ok
*if i die in my sleep next week, start by investigating graphic designers*
Jakob Dorof Eh, I like it. Most JRPGs have a health bar for a reason. It gives instant visual recognition your health is low if you arent paying attention to the awkward hud off the side of the screen. See any ATLUS game since SMT 3, and their generally renowned as being some of the best turn based designers out there.
Yeah the health bar is kind of a nice touch, too bad this one looks kinda ugly imo.
My dream PC version would be an adaptation of the DS remake.
Matthew Smith that would be awesome because it would take the original awesome game, add it great cutscenes, new dungeons and endings to make it perfect to play it on a laptop or computer
What cat glitch? it has _always_ been like that in OG version as well as any other port, you're just missing a step. Not a glitch, rather a feature. Just because you read stuff on the internet doesn't mean it's true.
you literally pointed out everything and more of what I've been complaining about. Liked and subscribed
more like a GREATient
These games where all about attention to detail. You take out all these little details and replace them with inferior cheap modern day crap. There's gonna be hell to pay. Chrono Trigger was a considered a masterpiece. How dare they treat it this way.
Feels weird to agree with Kotaku.
SNES,Emulater or DS is the only way to play this game in that order as of now. If not the hard copy (SNES),then the Emulater and if not the Emulater then the DS. Seeing this made me CRY!!!!
I like this narrator! Great job on the production of this video. Too bad about Chrono Trigger, it was a privilege to play such a masterpiece as a kid upon release... Nothing but good memories.
i finish the game on my android a few years ago. there is a part where you need to climb a mountain but you need to be precise or you'll fall of but your using a touch d-pad.
damn now this guy is my favorite guy
"Hi, I'm professional video game expert Tim Rogers," lol, nice
Poor Chrono, oh how you've been wronged
Quality video! Kotaku needs more of you
SUCH a huge amount amount of ppl would pay any money to see this game back !!! Me personally I would like to play this game as a remade with now day tech, keeping the sa.e scent of the game...
Love the whole video! First time (I think? Didn't notice the authors' names but the voice does sound familiar).
Cool voice too
This personality and speech style reminds me of Mr Plinkett from Red Letter Media!
I came into this video expecting disappointment, and I was pleasantly surprised. Tim, you're too good for Kotaku.
Honestly the pixel art of the original game was perfect. Tim, you have exactly the right idea on how to fix this port. It would seem that it would take even less effort to do that anyways...
Maybe they could look at what Chrono Resurrection tried to do before they killed it and give us the remake we all want...
yeah, you'd think some sort of a real non-robot human would have seen chrono resurrection and been like "wow, that's incredible that people who would not be able to legally make money off of this would go through so much trouble! they must really like the game. wow, maybe a LOT of people really like the game. maybe they really REALLY like the game." . . . well, nope! lol
oh lol i meant to make that comment from my personal account. oops!
It's unfortunately not the first hamfisted port of a mobile version of the game to PC. They did the same thing to FFIII/VI. It's saddening to see, specially if you have been a fan of the game or genre for so long.
-should have hired the- Chrono Resurrection -dev team-
Graphic designer here, I've done that a million times and only has it backfired a few times.
This Tim Rogers guy is legitimately a talented writer. Too bad he's working for kotaku
that dreadful day where you agree with kotaku. GG for life.