honestly, in the past I could do it effortlessly without knowing the main reason, last year, I've started to doubt myself more than ever, as a result, I've begun to feel less confident and I had usually tried to avoid speaking english at literally all time
Ah great to see you delving into comprehensible input. I’ve recently been using DS for the past 3months. I started using my YT channel to document my progress. Looking forward to seeing your updates too!! If you’re looking for Cross talk buddies the DS reddit sometimes has people reaching out to help each other.
I recently spoke with David long, the coordinator of the thai classes and I asked him what the ideal amount of hours is. He told me that students who did 3/4 hours a day did not lose their progress after not being exposed to input for a couple of months. So personally, I want to try and go for 3. When you put it like that, it actually sounds really doable!
Welcome to the club, man! This video is so well made. The Dr. J. Marvin Brown book is AMAZING; enjoy it! Unfortunately, AUA had to shut down 2-3 years ago, but you can experience the same type of learning (with Thai specifically) using the Comprehensible Thai UA-cam channel, which has been free to all since it's inception thanks to the generosity of it's channel's creator. :D
Thanks for the kind words! Yeah I only found out recently that it shit down. I'm working on a video about aua and I'm learning a lot about alg, the people involved with it etc. and it's honestly so interesting. I also found out about their channel and watched some videos. To be completely honest, It would've been amazing to experience aua for myself and share about it here. I'm not sure if there are teachers who've moved online who still do live 'classroom style' lessons as opposed to prerecorded videos. But if so, that sounds interesting as well. I completed the book as well and it's great! I particularly enjoyed the stories about his friends, how he noticed some people surpassed his Thai level and how he was just so dedicated to finding a way to implement this theory into the classroom (even using equations to measure students progress!) Thanks for your comment!
I think there's an advantage to watching movies again at some point since you'll be familiar with the story and therefore the input will be more comprehensible.
@@runningriot7963 english since I watched the movies countless times in my native language. My siblings and I would then imitate the actors when we particularly liked a scene. So we did the shadowing technique without realising.
I learnt English by watching talk shows with subtitles. That worked for me personally better than movies/series because I tend to get too absorbed in the story/events and not focus on language/exact meaning of sentences at all 😅 (In case anyone tried movies and series before but it didn't work for them)
Acquisition theory says that if you just try to understand on what the story is about, that's all that matters. Don't think about the language as your brain will figure that out eventually after enough hours. If by reading subtitles, you understood what the talk shows were about, then that should've been good to learn. Your understanding of English must have been pretty good as well :p
So the thing is we have just to expose ourselves to the target language and acquire it without deliberately learning it, like a baby process when they starting to seem like "I wanna talk like them"they're just imitate of what their hears and speak it subconsciously. Wow I just now realized that such a tremendous method!
A baby has listened to more than 1000 hours of language. Eventually when they start to speak, they know how to say something because they have heard it so many times. Sometimes, you have this 'feeling' that something is right or wrong. This 'feeling' is inside your brain and it's the result of all the language you have acquired. So, if we use this method to 'acquire', then we can develop this feeling as well and speak without having to think, similar to a native.
I don't know how can I be more confident, I can easily manage to speak english pretty well but sometimes I just feel like it would be really embarrassing if I made even a single mistake, I have actually been obsessed with it too much that last year, I even avoided speaking english for 6 months constantly
I totally feel you! I experience this too when I encounter german customers at work. The thing is, it:s not a language problem but personality. I'm an introvert but I enjoy a nice conversation. Today I had such an experience. I smalltalked with a customer (about my age) and at a certain point, I asked him if he spoke any Dutch at all (in English), when he said he spoke german I felt confident enough because we had already talked for a minute or two and so I felt confident. We ALWAYS use language in a context. For example at work (I work in a supermarket) customers regularly ask where to find something. In my head (and probably you have this too) I am thinking too much about whether I should try and speak their langauge or not but that causes stress. I guess my advice would be this: there are moments whe you feel 100% certain how to say something. (This happened to me with the example I just talked about). In moments like that, you don't have to think and yo can just say it. With confidence. don't think about the language. Think about getting the message across that you're trying to convey. I hope this comment somehow makes sensen haha
I'm learning English at the moment and I can understand 100% of what you're saying in this video without subtles. But I CAN'T even speak english with a natural intonation. I guess it's because stress-timed languages are really difficult for those speak a syllable-timed language as their native language, for example Chinese in my case. Hopefully I can start speaking after more hours of listening input. Let's try out the comprehensible input theory together
Be proud of Dutch. 'why would someone want to learn Dutch anyway'.... There is always someone who wants to learn it. For work, for professional reasons, for family etc... The problem with bashing your own language, it reduces its relevance, and you come across as looking down at your own country and language as being worse than others. Be proud that you are dutch and speak dutch. This so called English is best, superior and blah blah... this is an American monolingual mentality from narrow minded anglophones who think the world speaks only English, Paris is in Africa and Ukraine is next to Spain.
I mean I guess I was being a little sarcastic hehe. The city where I currently live in is very international and most students here speak English/are trying to learn Dutch. It's just that when you compare it to the rest of the world, my country is so small :p. It makes me happy though, whenever I meet someone who wants to learn Dutch :)
@@Angelovanrooij fair enough. great video. I am an advanced fluent speaker of English, Russian, French, German, Cantonese and B2 in Italian, Croatian. I did the super intensive 10 hour per day method for 6 months method. I started dreaming spanish 100 hours ago. 3 hours per day. Super easy because of French and Italian. I fall asleep just watching it and I think the only difficulty I have with spanish is how to keep my eyes open while watching it. I plan to start speaking after 1000 hours, but I think I can get there within 500. French and Italian certainly makes it easy to learn. Great channel. Learning habits and different ways is always a good thing. If I didn't have to spend time maintaining all my languages, I would learn Dutch, but simply it is very easy to lose the language if not maintained. Which is hard to do when you spend the days learning new languages and having to divide time with other languages.
Hahahaha I love reading this! You seem like a very determined language learner. I admire that! Yeah the videos have to be fun otherways it's hard to keep watching. Some of DS' videos that I watched had some humor in them and I like that. Tbh I learned some spanish at school so I don't have much problems with the beginner videos when I only have 4 hours lol but I'm going to do Thai using CI videos and classes. So I can be natural in a language I'm learning. I noticed that I struggle to speak Japanese and I figure that's because I actively learned a lot. I've had input too but not a lot. Did you learn all these languages through comprehensible input? Love to see Cantonese as well. I plan to do mandarin at some point and then Cantonese as well! Thanks for your comment!
Do you feel like you can understand your target language but not speak?
honestly, in the past I could do it effortlessly without knowing the main reason, last year, I've started to doubt myself more than ever, as a result, I've begun to feel less confident and I had usually tried to avoid speaking english at literally all time
Sdart sbeeeKin duchhhh nethanlanen in yur $#@ videeeyoz arrey yu sdinJy kork!🐻🦝 I lurn holandish by yur kamprihensibil imnput🐷🐽
Ah great to see you delving into comprehensible input. I’ve recently been using DS for the past 3months. I started using my YT channel to document my progress. Looking forward to seeing your updates too!!
If you’re looking for Cross talk buddies the DS reddit sometimes has people reaching out to help each other.
Thanks for sharing! Yeah, I was thinking about sharing my progress too, maybe every 100 hours or so...
1000 hrs is 2.73hrs per day for a solid year.
Thanks for this🎉
I recently spoke with David long, the coordinator of the thai classes and I asked him what the ideal amount of hours is. He told me that students who did 3/4 hours a day did not lose their progress after not being exposed to input for a couple of months. So personally, I want to try and go for 3. When you put it like that, it actually sounds really doable!
@Angelovanrooij Yep! And 800hours is only 2.17hours a day!
Welcome to the club, man! This video is so well made. The Dr. J. Marvin Brown book is AMAZING; enjoy it! Unfortunately, AUA had to shut down 2-3 years ago, but you can experience the same type of learning (with Thai specifically) using the Comprehensible Thai UA-cam channel, which has been free to all since it's inception thanks to the generosity of it's channel's creator. :D
Thanks for the kind words!
Yeah I only found out recently that it shit down. I'm working on a video about aua and I'm learning a lot about alg, the people involved with it etc. and it's honestly so interesting.
I also found out about their channel and watched some videos.
To be completely honest, It would've been amazing to experience aua for myself and share about it here.
I'm not sure if there are teachers who've moved online who still do live 'classroom style' lessons as opposed to prerecorded videos. But if so, that sounds interesting as well.
I completed the book as well and it's great! I particularly enjoyed the stories about his friends, how he noticed some people surpassed his Thai level and how he was just so dedicated to finding a way to implement this theory into the classroom (even using equations to measure students progress!)
Thanks for your comment!
That‘s how I actually learned english. I watched my fav movies in english with subtitles over and over again.
I think there's an advantage to watching movies again at some point since you'll be familiar with the story and therefore the input will be more comprehensible.
Subtitles in your native language or target language?
@@runningriot7963 english since I watched the movies countless times in my native language. My siblings and I would then imitate the actors when we particularly liked a scene. So we did the shadowing technique without realising.
@@pivotgang7 Nice! I like this style of learning it's effortless and feels like magic.
I feel too frustared but i often back again to remember all this points you said to us thanks for give us those advices have a great day buddy
I learnt English by watching talk shows with subtitles. That worked for me personally better than movies/series because I tend to get too absorbed in the story/events and not focus on language/exact meaning of sentences at all 😅
(In case anyone tried movies and series before but it didn't work for them)
Acquisition theory says that if you just try to understand on what the story is about, that's all that matters. Don't think about the language as your brain will figure that out eventually after enough hours.
If by reading subtitles, you understood what the talk shows were about, then that should've been good to learn. Your understanding of English must have been pretty good as well :p
So the thing is we have just to expose ourselves to the target language and acquire it without deliberately learning it, like a baby process when they starting to seem like "I wanna talk like them"they're just imitate of what their hears and speak it subconsciously. Wow I just now realized that such a tremendous method!
A baby has listened to more than 1000 hours of language. Eventually when they start to speak, they know how to say something because they have heard it so many times.
Sometimes, you have this 'feeling' that something is right or wrong. This 'feeling' is inside your brain and it's the result of all the language you have acquired. So, if we use this method to 'acquire', then we can develop this feeling as well and speak without having to think, similar to a native.
I don't know how can I be more confident, I can easily manage to speak english pretty well but sometimes I just feel like it would be really embarrassing if I made even a single mistake, I have actually been obsessed with it too much that last year, I even avoided speaking english for 6 months constantly
I totally feel you! I experience this too when I encounter german customers at work. The thing is, it:s not a language problem but personality. I'm an introvert but I enjoy a nice conversation.
Today I had such an experience. I smalltalked with a customer (about my age) and at a certain point, I asked him if he spoke any Dutch at all (in English), when he said he spoke german I felt confident enough because we had already talked for a minute or two and so I felt confident.
We ALWAYS use language in a context. For example at work (I work in a supermarket) customers regularly ask where to find something. In my head (and probably you have this too) I am thinking too much about whether I should try and speak their langauge or not but that causes stress.
I guess my advice would be this: there are moments whe you feel 100% certain how to say something. (This happened to me with the example I just talked about). In moments like that, you don't have to think and yo can just say it. With confidence. don't think about the language. Think about getting the message across that you're trying to convey.
I hope this comment somehow makes sensen haha
I'm learning English at the moment and I can understand 100% of what you're saying in this video without subtles. But I CAN'T even speak english with a natural intonation. I guess it's because stress-timed languages are really difficult for those speak a syllable-timed language as their native language, for example Chinese in my case. Hopefully I can start speaking after more hours of listening input. Let's try out the comprehensible input theory together
我会说一点普通话 哈哈哈
But that's good that you understand my English!
@@Angelovanrooij 好厉害！just watched the video you talked to others in their languages, impressive and motivating!
@@Angelovanrooij btw what's the name of your time tracker app in 2:00, looks nice
it's the website of dreaming spanish :)
@@Angelovanrooij thanks
Be proud of Dutch. 'why would someone want to learn Dutch anyway'.... There is always someone who wants to learn it. For work, for professional reasons, for family etc... The problem with bashing your own language, it reduces its relevance, and you come across as looking down at your own country and language as being worse than others. Be proud that you are dutch and speak dutch. This so called English is best, superior and blah blah... this is an American monolingual mentality from narrow minded anglophones who think the world speaks only English, Paris is in Africa and Ukraine is next to Spain.
I mean I guess I was being a little sarcastic hehe. The city where I currently live in is very international and most students here speak English/are trying to learn Dutch. It's just that when you compare it to the rest of the world, my country is so small :p. It makes me happy though, whenever I meet someone who wants to learn Dutch :)
@@Angelovanrooij fair enough. great video. I am an advanced fluent speaker of English, Russian, French, German, Cantonese and B2 in Italian, Croatian. I did the super intensive 10 hour per day method for 6 months method. I started dreaming spanish 100 hours ago. 3 hours per day. Super easy because of French and Italian. I fall asleep just watching it and I think the only difficulty I have with spanish is how to keep my eyes open while watching it. I plan to start speaking after 1000 hours, but I think I can get there within 500. French and Italian certainly makes it easy to learn. Great channel. Learning habits and different ways is always a good thing. If I didn't have to spend time maintaining all my languages, I would learn Dutch, but simply it is very easy to lose the language if not maintained. Which is hard to do when you spend the days learning new languages and having to divide time with other languages.
Hahahaha I love reading this! You seem like a very determined language learner. I admire that! Yeah the videos have to be fun otherways it's hard to keep watching. Some of DS' videos that I watched had some humor in them and I like that.
Tbh I learned some spanish at school so I don't have much problems with the beginner videos when I only have 4 hours lol but I'm going to do Thai using CI videos and classes. So I can be natural in a language I'm learning. I noticed that I struggle to speak Japanese and I figure that's because I actively learned a lot. I've had input too but not a lot.
Did you learn all these languages through comprehensible input? Love to see Cantonese as well. I plan to do mandarin at some point and then Cantonese as well!
Thanks for your comment!
@@Angelovanrooij I sent an email. Too much personal information to answer. So hope you get that.
I saw it. Read through it briefly but I'll send you a more detailed reply when I get home in the evening :)