3:02 "In ancient Carthage, sacrifice by fire was actually a popular offering to their pagan gods" From what I've heard, that has been argued. Modern research have suggested that they heavily practiced in burial cremation. The "sacrifice" part is speculated as Roman propaganda to make their enemies seem as evil and uncivilized, thus justifying their war and victory.
@Linus nothing on the article provided confirms those cremations as sacrifices, and all meaning derived from them is built upon a yet very flawed and poor understanding of Carthaginian culture. The romans are indeed unreliable sources on foreign pagan cultures, not much for lying as for misunderstaing what they witnessed on foreign lands. The Gauls, for instance, were described as savage head hunters, for adorning their dwellings with skulls, when in fact those skulls were collected from their own family, dug from ancient burial mounds and kept as a link to their ancestors. Neither is the Bible of much use, as the Carthaginians, despite descending from Phoenicians, had several centuries to develop their own flavor of the culture, much influenced by the Greeks. In the very article you posted there's a quote from a Roman source claiming the sacrifices were made upon a great statue of Cronus, a Greek god, whose image and cult is a far cry from the Philistine Dagon that's depicted in the Old Testament. That shows the culture we read about on the Bible and on Roman sources have significant differences that cannot be understated.
@Linus I never said the romans did not write about the gods of foreign lands using their own names for these deities. Saturn is Cronus who is Dagon, as Jupiter is Zeus who is Thor, Perun, Perkunas, Ishkur, Indra and many others. What I said is that the sources they left us show a Carthage that has suffered much influence from Greece, to the point the blibical records from centuries before should not be blindly trusted as an accurate portrayal of what their culture was, even more so when the Old Testament can easily be understood as much as religious text as ancient pro-hebrew propaganda. Engravings talking about the gods blessing seem awfuly vague and shouldn't be considered solid proof of anything without a clear and concrete understanding of all the cultural practices that would give those cremations context. Were those babies sacrificed? If so, for what purpose? Were they alive during the cremations? How was this seen by the Carthaginians themselves? These are all questions left unanswered by those epitaths. You ask if I think a dead child is a blessing, but even today many women who stillbirth still often consider themselves blessed for getting pregnant in the first place, as natural part of the mourning proccess. And even if we disregard all options and stick to what you present than I must ask: just as a dead child is not a blessing, in what way does a chicken and a newborn have the same sacrificial value to be treated in this manner? If they are both sacrifices as you seem to think, surely people would realize they are not the same and thus wouldn't treat them the same, no? And while this is more of a side note, most of the written evidence (again Roman) on Germanic human sacrifices sound a whole lot more like ritualized executions of criminals or pariahs than any kind of offering, for instance how Tacitus describes the German tribes dealing with the "Corpore Infames" (the meaning of which is debated but generally accepted to mean homossexuals as a whole or at least the passive and effeminate kind) by either smashing their heads with rocks or drowning them in bogs, sometimes both. P.S. do not assume others' morals or spirituality and their impacts on world view, doing so only hampers your own ability to consider other stances.
Leonardo Marques, "What I said is that the sources they left us show a Carthage that has suffered much influence from Greece, to the point the blibical records from centuries before should not be blindly trusted as an accurate portrayal of what their culture was, even more so when the Old Testament can easily be understood as much as religious text as ancient pro-hebrew propaganda." Hm, what? all cultures have outside influences. Saying that x culture can't be portrayal as their "real" culture is just semantics to reinforce a point you're trying to make. It's like saying that Christian sources showing how the Vikings, when raiding a Christian city, would impale children is not an "accurate portrayal" because the Scandinavians have suffered influences from x or y culture. Also, saying that the Old Testament is pro-hebrew propaganda is extremely vague without citing sources. "Engravings talking about the gods blessing seem awfuly vague and shouldn't be considered solid proof of anything without a clear and concrete understanding of all the cultural practices that would give those cremations context. Were those babies sacrificed? If so, for what purpose? Were they alive during the cremations? How was this seen by the Carthaginians themselves? These are all questions left unanswered by those epitaths." That's not his point, though. His point was that Carthaginians used to do sacrifices, and a satisfying amount of sources demonstrate that. Creating all of those questions like "How those sacrifices were seen by Carthaginians" are interesting for a study of their specific culture, but not from a comparative stance, which was his point after all. It's like saying how Europeans and Arabs saw African slave trade. Sure, for someone interested in studying the AFRICAN SLAVE TRADE, that may be interesting, but for someone only interested to know WHY the slave trade existed, that question doesn't serve any purpose at all. "And even if we disregard all options and stick to what you present than I must ask: just as a dead child is not a blessing, in what way does a chicken and a newborn have the same sacrificial value to be treated in this manner? If they are both sacrifices as you seem to think, surely people would realize they are not the same and thus wouldn't treat them the same, no?" I mean, ancient civilizations used to kill children with deformities or any kind of deficiency. That only changed when the Christians came. And that's because of religion. Pagans religions saw humans in a totally different way than the Abrahamic ones, especially the Christian religion. "do not assume others' morals or spirituality and their impacts on world view, doing so only hampers your own ability to consider other stances." It doesn't matter your own subjective moral or spirituality. Western morals are based around Christianity and that's a fact. All western thoughts are based around that. Even our modern secular society still in its core Christian; we just reject the symbols, but the morals, affections and etc, still the same. For instance, our law system today is totally based around Christianity. What happens is that people like to cherry pick relevant historical facts like the Inquisition and say "But that was a Christian tribunal". They just forget that the whole middle ages law system was based around the Roman Law; which saw torture as a valid way of getting confessions. And for your second point: it's completely difficult for a western person to think like an Arab person, or a Chinese one, for example. And why? well, exactly because their spirituality is completely different from ours, even - like I previously said - if we reject the symbols, we still are a society based around Christian values and worldviews.
@@jpmisterioman Your comment has an awful lot of words for something without much of a point, or much argument against my presented stance. What is your point?
Why is dark souls 2's canon-inity being disputed? I see no reason to see it as non-canon, it's just more separate and less often referenced than 1. Speaking of, if you see this Mitch, I'd love a video about references/lore connections between 2 and 3 as i can't see one like that anywhere :)
I'll consider doing it at some point! My main reason for questioning the canon-inity of DS2 is just from a few compelling things I had read/listened to from some other content creators. Here's one: ua-cam.com/video/zkdU7Y2Jm9Y/v-deo.html Let me know what you think.
Mitch L Yeah I see what he means and I agree with him. I actually liked 2 more than the little bit i played of 1 (shitty pc port, couldn't put up with the clunkyness), so it does really suck that it basically didn't happen. Maybe if you do that video, it'll turn out there's more in there than I thought but i doubt it lol
***** Have you tried using DSfix and some other mods to unlock the FPS and improve stability? You shouldn't miss out on such a great game due to a bad port, in my opinion. I'd be happy to help you set it up if you're having trouble.
Mitch L Thanks, i've tried many times to get it to work but it just wouldn't work lol I can't even remember what went wrong thought because it was a while ago, maybe i'll try again when i'm out of games to play
Super late reply but ds2 is 100% canon based on the earthern peak ruins in the ringed city dlc along with in base game items. How it fits in I don't exactly know but it is canon
I do wish we could see more about the Kingdom of Carthus. I know we wont have any more Dark Souls games specifically so it's unlikely but I would love From to make a game set in Carthus still, even if it's only tangentially to Souls. Also, that chanting music at 0:17 and in other places through out the video, what is it from? I recognise it but I can't quite place it.
Even though it's fanmade, the demo for Dark Souls: Archthrones (a DS3 mod) has a stage taking place in Carthus during its heyday and it's actually really great and well made.
Carthus is more of an Empire than a kingdom since Wolnir conquered and ruled over entire Kingdoms. Carthus may as well be the only known "Empire" in the convoluted chronology of Dark Souls.
Great Video! In the smoldering lake vid itd be cool if you'll make note that the giant balista is manned by Carthus skeletons and is positioned to 'pin' the demons into the demon ruins, keeping them away from Carthus. Also that the demon ruins appear to be a section of the Carthus catacombs that the demons have conquered and taken away from Carthus.
The ballista will be very interesting to discuss, with the presence of the dead giants there, so I'll have to be careful what I say. That being said, I agree with you that part of the catacombs have been appropriated by the demons are they are seen as a bit of an infestation.
Well, an "oni" isn't quite a demon, but a pretty specific type of monster in Japanese folklore. It's commonly translated as demon because of its resemblance to the western monster, but it's not necessarily the same thing
Excellent selection of music in the beginning of the video! Lol I was laying in bed and listening to your videos on auto play as I slowly woke up for the day (dark souls lore is soothing to me for some reason). I did a double take and checked the screen when I heard the music start - I thought that UA-cam had auto-played me to a game of thrones ost video. "son of harpy" (I think that's the title of the piece) fits the aesthetic of ruined carthas well.
I do find the ubadachi and onikiri compelling, however, there are two flaws: the description of the blades have this to say: "Kamui brought Onikiri with him to the Undead Settlement, where he forged Ubadachi, and was finally prepared to join the ranks of the royal hunters." and although his name does sound japanese, it is unlikely kamui ever came to carthus with the two blades. and the second flaw, although oni does mean demon in japanese, oni's from japanese mythology aren't demons as we know them. they are neither paranormal forces (if they are real, that is) and they aren't some devil stuff or anything. they are really more like ogres, although that does seem a little similar to taurus demons. this peice of evidence does not hold up however, since this is dark souls, and not japanese mythology.
I just finished watching your 3 Dark Souls III lore videos, and thoroughly enjoyed listening to the soothing and enthralling narration. Your theories are thoughtful and interesting. The videos as a whole are very well made, the tone is atmospheric and the clips shown always relevant to what is discussed. This style reminds me a lot of the likes of VaatiVidya, which is not bad by any means, more meant as a compliment actually, and there's definitely a personal and unique touch to it. And you don't specifically need to put up 2 annotations to apologize for misspelling a word, it's not that big of a deal :P
Wow, that's really nice feedback to hear. I'm glad you enjoy the effort that I put into them! They are a lot of fun to make. The next vid will be on Smoldering Lake, and I have some theories that I haven't seen talked about anywhere yet, so be sure to catch that one. Vaati was definitely one of my inspirations in terms of getting into the lore, and we sound a bit similar because we are both Australian. Haha, I know, I know. I'm a bit of a perfectionist unfortunately. I invite basically any criticism because I want to get better (the scimitar thing was just my OCD kicking in, I think!). Stay tuned.
Alonne dying isn't really a big issue. It's possible he was undead, and would have resurrected after we killed him and extended the age of fire (since that always seems to be the canon ending to the games)
The carthus kingdom are mix of middle East and Africa it's very clear from the weapons and armors and spells and all the things if you read about both you will know what I mean fire was very sacred in the middle East
Point of fact, Carthage also relied heavily on many types of mercenaries but mostly Spanish Iberian mercenary slingers. They paid their mercenaries in electrum (an alloy of gold and silver), which was becoming less and less pure as they stretched their finances. Hannibal was exiled to Spain as they feared he might use his overwhelming popularity & the loyalty of his armies and the Spanish mercenaries to take over as king or emperor (Carthage was more or less a republic ruled by a council of 103). This was before his famous failed campaign against the Romans, he hoped that effort might win him the the right to return home.
great stuff, especially the bit about the eastern guest. I think Wolnir's story sheds a lot of light. It's said that, however he found himself there, when he went into the darkness he prayed...but the only person I can think of that inhabits the darkness is the serpent Quaathe. And being a pyromancer, it would make sense for Wolnir to receive a fire-related aid at this time...which I believe is the Profaned Flame. Yhorm is described as the descendant of a conqueror, who was asked by the conquered to lead them. But it also seems he was mocked by his people, and lost the one person he wanted to protect. This makes me think the Profaned Capital arose from Wolnir's Profaned Flame. Yhorm, apparently a tragic figure who tried to be an earnest ruler, may have linked the flame in order to cleanse the capital
Do we know if the linking of the flame by Yhorm happened before or after Wolnir fell to the abyss? If Yhrom became a lord of cinder AFTER Wolnir fell to the abyss, then the Profane flame could come from Wolnir, the abyss, and Kathe, but isn't it more likely that Yhorm's ancestor is one of those giants from Dark Souls 2, who did basically conquer? Seems reasonably that they would have also taken over the Profane Capital, and eventually Yhorm becomes ruler of said kingdom.
did you know that the phuteriam descendent a bloodborn boss in the chalice dungeon as the same move of the oni slayer weapon art. and he also walks like frieda when in second phase. no sure it's related but i think bloodborn is the next phase after the hollow ending.
While I quite enjoy the video, there was one minor detail that kind of bugged me a little, albeit nitpicking for the sake of nitpicking without actually undermining anything you said. The grave wardens of the Cathedral of the Deep watched over the graves to make sure that the ever rising corpses could be in check. I think this not to be referring to the number of corpses, as much as the corpses that literally rise from the ground and follow you throughout the beginning of the Cathedral of the Deep. With that in mind, I can only wonder what a grave warden was to Carthus, as the two places don't seem to have any particular connection, and I find it peculiar to say the least. Maybe there's still more to figure out as to what the grave wardens of Carthus had to do, or perhaps they faced a similar issue as the Cathedral of the Deep with ever rising corpses due to their war like nature, possibly leading to the corpses of their victims rising indefinitely from their resting places. AFTERTHOUGHT: Now that I think of it, perhaps they're called grave wardens because the catacombs is a prison, and they intend to watch over the dead so they might not escape the catacombs.
That's cool to think about, one keeps the dead dead, and the other keeps the dead from leaving. I would like to know more about the whole skeleton part as well though, as resurrection seems like something that'd be pretty important.
Perhaps a mixture of the two possibilities, and the ever rising corpses could refer to the reanimating skeletons as well, although this would seem odd, since there's also a grave warden doing the same among the regular ones.
I've been thinking, what if there's another curse that's not well known in the Souls universe outside of it's final effect on whoever's afflicted by it? Perhaps similar to the Undead curse (as well as requiring it to be present), but worse, in the fact that each death you'll lose a bit of sanity, but also find a type of hunger building up, with the inside of the mouth slowly changing as well with each death, getting a bit taller as well each time, with perhaps no way to reverse it, or a way that's unknown. I think everybody knows where I'm going with this. What if this curse would slowly change an undead into a mimic over time, and the one thing they'd remember at the end would be the best places to find loot, chests, and they take on that disguise and wait, with the only thing remaining being their hunger and fighting ability? EDIT: Of course this is completely far fetched, so I don't expect it to go past just a crazy thought.
I like to think that Alonne left the Iron King's side out of disgust once the king's conceit and greed started to show itself. If Alonne went on to offer his services to Wolnir, then the samurai was a horrible judge of character. If we ever get another game set in the Dark Souls world, I'd love for it to be set in the East. Maybe I just want to see a badass naginata move-set in Sous. Nioh looks like it will be close to what I'm talking about, but it still won't scratch that specific itch.
A viewer of yours linked me this video because apparently, you and I came to a very similar conclusion regarding Wolnir and his guest - granted, you beat me by about a month! :) Great work!
I really want to say also that you have a very deep research behavior. You video are like a police case searching for each element and putting everything together for solving the question. You are brilliant!
Speaking of the Taurus demon underneath the catacombs- I got it to aggro the mimic after I hit it just to check whether see if it was a regular chest or not. Then after it killed the mimic, most of its health was gone, so I just killed it with barely any effort. It was great lol
I love your dedication to the lore. I put you up there with Vaati Vidya if not better. Keep it up sir! I wish we could do a bloodborne or ds3 playthrough together. Thanks for the amazing content.
The thing I love most about Dark Souls lore videos is they always start off so epic, compared to the rest of UA-cam videos that start with "hEy BrOs iTs mE ______ bAcK wItH aNoThEr INSANE LoRe VidEo bE sUrE tO SmAsH tHe sUbScRiBe BuTtOn"
It seems more likely that the visitor was Raime, explaining his sword's presence in the Ruins. Don't forget that the land Sir Alonne left to find was in fact Brume Tower, and when you fight him, you're seeing him die to the Iron King in the past (you're not killing him). I feel like this makes him more or less canonically dead.
It is also highly plausible that the warrior from the East who came to the aide of Carthus could also be Shiva of the East (from Dark Souls 1). He was after all a skilled warrior himself. Anyways, you did a very good job on this video. Please keep it up.
That's a possibility. I guess my thought process is aimed more towards Alonne only because his acts of training and philanthropy to Kingdoms had been seen in the past, and Shiva has more of a mercantilist outlook on life. However, that doesn't move him completely out of the realm of what's possible. Thanks!
Great video. Just a suggestion, gameplay audio vis a vis your narration is sometimes higher, mainly when you were fighting the skeleton warrior as Shiva.
Holy shit, you're right. I must have forgotten to change the levels for that clip. Thanks for pointing that out. When I get a chance, I'll create some subtitles for that bit.
Insightful lore video worth the watch, though there is a part in the middle in which the narration and game audio are too close to one another and you cant make out everything youre saying :)
I would like to make note that it is less likely to be Sir Alonne and more likely Shiva of The East given that the Murakamo and Chaos Blade, a weapon Shiva is willing to kill the player for in Dark Souls, are in Dark Souls 3 along with Shivas armour set and the Woodgrain Ring. Given that the region surrounding The Catacombs of Carthus is Farron's Keep and Crucifixion Woods - areas largely associated with Darkroot Garden and therefore Oolacile and the Abyss - it is quite probable that Shiva could have made his way there at some point. Overall I quite like the methodical way you analyse the game and support your theories and while I have small qualms over some interpretations you have made, you take the lore down avenues I wouldn't necessarily consider and make me think a bit more about my own assumptions. Kudos.
Though there are other lore videos, your style is better then some I have seen. though mistakes happen but ehh were human but I loved the video. It's good to get a wide amount information and speculation to get me looking deeper into the game as I play. Reaching the ancient city of anor londo I hope to learn how the city fell not from anyone else but from you. Or if the city fell at all, gasps, lols Keep up the good work.
Er, you misread the holy swords description "This holy sword, together with three armlets stripped from the corpses of clerics, gave him some semblance of comfort." It's saying the armlets were stripped from clerics, but it's not worded in any way that suggests the sword was also taken from a cleric.
You are right, that is my mistake. It does not say specifically that it was taken from the corpse. However, the sword does not resemble any that are found in the Catacombs; all of those are curved swords. Additionally, the sword art that it uses "Wrath of the Gods," the same name as a miracle in DSIII, that emits a powerful "shockwave" (the sword art mentions a "shockwave" as well). Considering that Wolnir and Carthus at large favoured pyromancies over any other form of magic, it seems incongruent that he would have forged (or had forged for him) a sword that uses a miracle, which was not favoured by Carthus. I would actually like to see the translation of the Japanese item description of the sword. Since DSIII is translated roughly from Japanese, the original description might tell us more.
Awesome shit so far dude. Just one small piece of criticism, turn your vocal volume up above the gameplay sound fx. Tryin to here you but having words cut off by slashing swords blows
just a thought if your correct about carthus resembling an african kingdom then Wolnir might of ground the crowns of those he conquered into one in a similar fashion to how when upper and lower Egypt were united and there crowns were combined. both carthus and Egypt are similar so i thought it was a cool similarity
So I'm not a researcher or anything like that but I am certainly a massive souls fan boy. Any way I was thinking that maybe the visitor from the east could be shiva. Mainly because of from softs attention to detail to everything and they specifically put the word east in there. And also because of the black blade found in the chest which I think is the reincarnation of the chaos blade? And shiva was obsessed with it. Unfortunately I can't remember of shiva dies in the natural story of dark souls which with obviously be conflicting if not though then it sorta makes sense right?
Adding to this timeline-speculation, Acid Surge, a pyromancy that's been part of the inventory since DS1, was revealed to have originated in Carthus in DS3's description of it. In DS1 and 2, the descriptions stated that its origin was unknown and DS1's elaborated that it did not originate in the Great Swamp. This implies Carthus existed as far back as DS1's era. It seems to have been a very long-lived kingdom. Wonder how much of Carthus's history was dominated by Wolnir?
Mitch L So far on Xbox, I have encountered a total of zero modders or hackers, which I am glad about, there have been some people with seemingly questionable stats (I stopped at the 120 meta), but nothing like infinite health or infinite stamina.
Great video but I just want to point out that Carthaginian warriors had straight swords and fought with spear and shield as far as I know (also being armored in a very mediteranian style). However, they relied heavily on mercenaries from all parts of the western mediteranian and northern Africa which could in part look more desert-ish. Don't know about curved swords though, that one seems a tad out of place for me, just like rapiers in DS3 ...
just thought of something on high lord wolnir. When you fight Wolnir, it looks like the gold bracelets he is wearing is the only thing keeping him from the abyss. when you beak all bracelets you don't actually kill him, he falls into the darkness. on wolnirs holy sword it says that he pleads to the gods for help and that is what happened to the sword, what if the gods also gave him the bracelets to save him from the abyss? i don't know but there is definitely something there :D
I don't think it was Alonne, while it is entirely possible even if we killed him, as it was in a memory and they retconned Gwyndolyn and Ornstein s death. I like to imagine it was the Iron King who killed Alonne as we are in Iron Kings memory with no Iron King, which may imply that we are playing as the Iron King in the Memory. which would also make Alonnes death absolute. Black Blade belonged to the Mad Warrior, not Alonne. Mad Warrior was similarly called forth by Vendrick. I see no Alonne influence in any of Carthus. The Iron Kings whole army dressed like Alonne, fought like Alonne, and were named after Alonne. Carthus has nothing in comparison to Alonne. Not sure how you put Ubidatchi/Onikuri in there, don't see any connection to that to Carthus or Alonne. "Oni," as I take it from Onislayer Greatbow which is Alonne Greatbow, might refer to Smelter Demon.
Beloved Carthage... oh how i miss thee. I would have sailed under you Hanno. I would have marched under you Hamilcar. I would have fought and died for you General Hannibal. I would have gone to the ends of the earth for beloved Carthage. Beloved Carthage.
I actually do have a theory regarding this that I didn't share in the video. In Roman times, all catacombs were built outside the city walls, as it was illegal to bury the dead within the city. Take this with a grain of salt, but this is interesting none-the-less.
I think your connection of Carthage is overbearing, as Rome was made of mostly mercenaries and slaves and much more of a conquerer. Is this a Crusades 2017 ad?
I like the Game of Thrones soundtracks, especially the Sons of the Harpy theme in the beginning! fits perfectly. Hope you don't get any Copyriight Claims!
It's an awesome track. Fits that Middle-Eastern/North African vibe of Carthus perfectly. I've been lucky so far, no claims! Let me know if you can suggest any tracks that have a Dark Souls feel to them, as I will need some for the follow up video of Smouldering Lake/Demon Sanctuary :)
Will Do... But for the smoldering lake video you are planning... My theory is that it is what remains of Izalith and the Bed of Chaos. The Chaos Flame has long since died out and the Demon race as a whole is close to extinction. This is why the remaining demons in DS3 are composed almost entirely of ash. Their inner chaos flame is nearly extinguished. As for the Smoldering lake itself, it was the spot in which the demons made their last stand. It was likely a combined effort from several different armies and races that drove the demons back to their home and exterminated nearly every one of their kind. However, i believe that the Giants played the biggest role. Who else could have stacked those massive corpses so high? You can also find Giant corpses and a massive ballista they must have used on a cliff overlooking the Smoldering Lake slaughter grounds. Maybe Yhorm led that campaign... Anyways, just some food for thought. hopefully you can cover some of these aspects in your next video. I look forward to watching it. Thanks!
Brian Lung I didn't think about the possibility of the Giants going to war with the Demons. Very cool theory. I'll definitely include this in the video and reference you. Cheers for the support as well!
Sounds Good, Thanks mate. Go check out the massive crossbow bolt launcher (AKA: Ballista) in the smoldering lake area. there are 2 giant corpses behind it.
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CRANG BLAASH TWONG ..."distinguished guest of High Lord Wolnir"
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Lol I just got to this part and found it hilarious
Have you seen those warriors from Carthus? They have Curved Swords...Curved...Swords
The Kingdom of Carthus: A Comprehensive Spook
Club Carthus, beloved by doots, skellys and boneboys
Spook, spooc, spok, pook it’s all the same
3:02 "In ancient Carthage, sacrifice by fire was actually a popular offering to their pagan gods"
From what I've heard, that has been argued. Modern research have suggested that they heavily practiced in burial cremation. The "sacrifice" part is speculated as Roman propaganda to make their enemies seem as evil and uncivilized, thus justifying their war and victory.
@Linus nothing on the article provided confirms those cremations as sacrifices, and all meaning derived from them is built upon a yet very flawed and poor understanding of Carthaginian culture.
The romans are indeed unreliable sources on foreign pagan cultures, not much for lying as for misunderstaing what they witnessed on foreign lands. The Gauls, for instance, were described as savage head hunters, for adorning their dwellings with skulls, when in fact those skulls were collected from their own family, dug from ancient burial mounds and kept as a link to their ancestors.
Neither is the Bible of much use, as the Carthaginians, despite descending from Phoenicians, had several centuries to develop their own flavor of the culture, much influenced by the Greeks. In the very article you posted there's a quote from a Roman source claiming the sacrifices were made upon a great statue of Cronus, a Greek god, whose image and cult is a far cry from the Philistine Dagon that's depicted in the Old Testament. That shows the culture we read about on the Bible and on Roman sources have significant differences that cannot be understated.
@Linus I never said the romans did not write about the gods of foreign lands using their own names for these deities. Saturn is Cronus who is Dagon, as Jupiter is Zeus who is Thor, Perun, Perkunas, Ishkur, Indra and many others. What I said is that the sources they left us show a Carthage that has suffered much influence from Greece, to the point the blibical records from centuries before should not be blindly trusted as an accurate portrayal of what their culture was, even more so when the Old Testament can easily be understood as much as religious text as ancient pro-hebrew propaganda.
Engravings talking about the gods blessing seem awfuly vague and shouldn't be considered solid proof of anything without a clear and concrete understanding of all the cultural practices that would give those cremations context. Were those babies sacrificed? If so, for what purpose? Were they alive during the cremations? How was this seen by the Carthaginians themselves? These are all questions left unanswered by those epitaths.
You ask if I think a dead child is a blessing, but even today many women who stillbirth still often consider themselves blessed for getting pregnant in the first place, as natural part of the mourning proccess. And even if we disregard all options and stick to what you present than I must ask: just as a dead child is not a blessing, in what way does a chicken and a newborn have the same sacrificial value to be treated in this manner? If they are both sacrifices as you seem to think, surely people would realize they are not the same and thus wouldn't treat them the same, no?
And while this is more of a side note, most of the written evidence (again Roman) on Germanic human sacrifices sound a whole lot more like ritualized executions of criminals or pariahs than any kind of offering, for instance how Tacitus describes the German tribes dealing with the "Corpore Infames" (the meaning of which is debated but generally accepted to mean homossexuals as a whole or at least the passive and effeminate kind) by either smashing their heads with rocks or drowning them in bogs, sometimes both.
P.S. do not assume others' morals or spirituality and their impacts on world view, doing so only hampers your own ability to consider other stances.
The Romans used to do sacrifices too, so I highly doubt it.
Leonardo Marques,
"What I said is that the sources they left us show a Carthage that has suffered much influence from Greece, to the point the blibical records from centuries before should not be blindly trusted as an accurate portrayal of what their culture was, even more so when the Old Testament can easily be understood as much as religious text as ancient pro-hebrew propaganda."
Hm, what? all cultures have outside influences. Saying that x culture can't be portrayal as their "real" culture is just semantics to reinforce a point you're trying to make. It's like saying that Christian sources showing how the Vikings, when raiding a Christian city, would impale children is not an "accurate portrayal" because the Scandinavians have suffered influences from x or y culture. Also, saying that the Old Testament is pro-hebrew propaganda is extremely vague without citing sources.
"Engravings talking about the gods blessing seem awfuly vague and shouldn't be considered solid proof of anything without a clear and concrete understanding of all the cultural practices that would give those cremations context. Were those babies sacrificed? If so, for what purpose? Were they alive during the cremations? How was this seen by the Carthaginians themselves? These are all questions left unanswered by those epitaths."
That's not his point, though. His point was that Carthaginians used to do sacrifices, and a satisfying amount of sources demonstrate that. Creating all of those questions like "How those sacrifices were seen by Carthaginians" are interesting for a study of their specific culture, but not from a comparative stance, which was his point after all. It's like saying how Europeans and Arabs saw African slave trade. Sure, for someone interested in studying the AFRICAN SLAVE TRADE, that may be interesting, but for someone only interested to know WHY the slave trade existed, that question doesn't serve any purpose at all.
"And even if we disregard all options and stick to what you present than I must ask: just as a dead child is not a blessing, in what way does a chicken and a newborn have the same sacrificial value to be treated in this manner? If they are both sacrifices as you seem to think, surely people would realize they are not the same and thus wouldn't treat them the same, no?"
I mean, ancient civilizations used to kill children with deformities or any kind of deficiency. That only changed when the Christians came. And that's because of religion. Pagans religions saw humans in a totally different way than the Abrahamic ones, especially the Christian religion.
"do not assume others' morals or spirituality and their impacts on world view, doing so only hampers your own ability to consider other stances."
It doesn't matter your own subjective moral or spirituality. Western morals are based around Christianity and that's a fact. All western thoughts are based around that. Even our modern secular society still in its core Christian; we just reject the symbols, but the morals, affections and etc, still the same. For instance, our law system today is totally based around Christianity. What happens is that people like to cherry pick relevant historical facts like the Inquisition and say "But that was a Christian tribunal". They just forget that the whole middle ages law system was based around the Roman Law; which saw torture as a valid way of getting confessions. And for your second point: it's completely difficult for a western person to think like an Arab person, or a Chinese one, for example. And why? well, exactly because their spirituality is completely different from ours, even - like I previously said - if we reject the symbols, we still are a society based around Christian values and worldviews.
@@jpmisterioman Your comment has an awful lot of words for something without much of a point, or much argument against my presented stance. What is your point?
Hi sorry to bother you first off good vid, second around twenty minutes the gameplay volume rose by alot and I could barely hear you.
royalwolf27 I've added captions for that bit. Turn on the annotations
“I was elected to lead, not to read.”- someone I agree with
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Why is dark souls 2's canon-inity being disputed? I see no reason to see it as non-canon, it's just more separate and less often referenced than 1. Speaking of, if you see this Mitch, I'd love a video about references/lore connections between 2 and 3 as i can't see one like that anywhere :)
I'll consider doing it at some point! My main reason for questioning the canon-inity of DS2 is just from a few compelling things I had read/listened to from some other content creators. Here's one:
ua-cam.com/video/zkdU7Y2Jm9Y/v-deo.html
Let me know what you think.
Mitch L Yeah I see what he means and I agree with him. I actually liked 2 more than the little bit i played of 1 (shitty pc port, couldn't put up with the clunkyness), so it does really suck that it basically didn't happen. Maybe if you do that video, it'll turn out there's more in there than I thought but i doubt it lol
***** Have you tried using DSfix and some other mods to unlock the FPS and improve stability? You shouldn't miss out on such a great game due to a bad port, in my opinion. I'd be happy to help you set it up if you're having trouble.
Mitch L Thanks, i've tried many times to get it to work but it just wouldn't work lol I can't even remember what went wrong thought because it was a while ago, maybe i'll try again when i'm out of games to play
Super late reply but ds2 is 100% canon based on the earthern peak ruins in the ringed city dlc along with in base game items. How it fits in I don't exactly know but it is canon
I do wish we could see more about the Kingdom of Carthus.
I know we wont have any more Dark Souls games specifically so it's unlikely but I would love From to make a game set in Carthus still, even if it's only tangentially to Souls.
Also, that chanting music at 0:17 and in other places through out the video, what is it from? I recognise it but I can't quite place it.
Have you found out?
Even though it's fanmade, the demo for Dark Souls: Archthrones (a DS3 mod) has a stage taking place in Carthus during its heyday and it's actually really great and well made.
Carthus is more of an Empire than a kingdom since Wolnir conquered and ruled over entire Kingdoms.
Carthus may as well be the only known "Empire" in the convoluted chronology of Dark Souls.
Great Video! In the smoldering lake vid itd be cool if you'll make note that the giant balista is manned by Carthus skeletons and is positioned to 'pin' the demons into the demon ruins, keeping them away from Carthus. Also that the demon ruins appear to be a section of the Carthus catacombs that the demons have conquered and taken away from Carthus.
The ballista will be very interesting to discuss, with the presence of the dead giants there, so I'll have to be careful what I say. That being said, I agree with you that part of the catacombs have been appropriated by the demons are they are seen as a bit of an infestation.
Well, an "oni" isn't quite a demon, but a pretty specific type of monster in Japanese folklore. It's commonly translated as demon because of its resemblance to the western monster, but it's not necessarily the same thing
Aren't there 'good' oni in japanese folklore?
There are.
Arcantropolo yeah,Solomon also got demon who appear as knight in shinning armor
EOCB an oni is a japanese ogre
I love your narration. It's appropriately grim and expressive without being cheesy.
the audio has some problems on the carthus/catacombs part. the game audio overrides the narration around 17:10.
Audio problem @ 17:22 background audio louder than voice audio.
Excellent selection of music in the beginning of the video! Lol I was laying in bed and listening to your videos on auto play as I slowly woke up for the day (dark souls lore is soothing to me for some reason). I did a double take and checked the screen when I heard the music start - I thought that UA-cam had auto-played me to a game of thrones ost video. "son of harpy" (I think that's the title of the piece) fits the aesthetic of ruined carthas well.
Man I really love your style of narration. Im jelly as fuck. Keep it up!
Just listened to a couple of your vids and yours is great as well. Love 40k Lore!
Cheers man, it means alot having appreciation from people within the community
I do find the ubadachi and onikiri compelling, however, there are two flaws:
the description of the blades have this to say: "Kamui brought Onikiri with him to the Undead Settlement, where he forged Ubadachi, and was finally prepared to join the ranks of the royal hunters." and although his name does sound japanese, it is unlikely kamui ever came to carthus with the two blades.
and the second flaw, although oni does mean demon in japanese, oni's from japanese mythology aren't demons as we know them.
they are neither paranormal forces (if they are real, that is) and they aren't some devil stuff or anything. they are really more like ogres, although that does seem a little similar to taurus demons. this peice of evidence does not hold up however, since this is dark souls, and not japanese mythology.
I just finished watching your 3 Dark Souls III lore videos, and thoroughly enjoyed listening to the soothing and enthralling narration.
Your theories are thoughtful and interesting. The videos as a whole are very well made, the tone is atmospheric and the clips shown always relevant to what is discussed.
This style reminds me a lot of the likes of VaatiVidya, which is not bad by any means, more meant as a compliment actually, and there's definitely a personal and unique touch to it.
And you don't specifically need to put up 2 annotations to apologize for misspelling a word, it's not that big of a deal :P
Wow, that's really nice feedback to hear. I'm glad you enjoy the effort that I put into them! They are a lot of fun to make. The next vid will be on Smoldering Lake, and I have some theories that I haven't seen talked about anywhere yet, so be sure to catch that one. Vaati was definitely one of my inspirations in terms of getting into the lore, and we sound a bit similar because we are both Australian.
Haha, I know, I know. I'm a bit of a perfectionist unfortunately. I invite basically any criticism because I want to get better (the scimitar thing was just my OCD kicking in, I think!). Stay tuned.
Mitch L Can't wait for the next upload. Keep up the good work!
Alonne dying isn't really a big issue. It's possible he was undead, and would have resurrected after we killed him and extended the age of fire (since that always seems to be the canon ending to the games)
The carthus kingdom are mix of middle East and Africa it's very clear from the weapons and armors and spells and all the things if you read about both you will know what I mean fire was very sacred in the middle East
Point of fact, Carthage also relied heavily on many types of mercenaries but mostly Spanish Iberian mercenary slingers. They paid their mercenaries in electrum (an alloy of gold and silver), which was becoming less and less pure as they stretched their finances. Hannibal was exiled to Spain as they feared he might use his overwhelming popularity & the loyalty of his armies and the Spanish mercenaries to take over as king or emperor (Carthage was more or less a republic ruled by a council of 103). This was before his famous failed campaign against the Romans, he hoped that effort might win him the the right to return home.
Great video!
Wow, that's fascinating stuff! Glad to hear you enjoyed the vid.
you are dope Af man keep doing what you do. your lore videos are next generation of legendary dark souls lore we only come to expect from a few.
Hope that you stick around to see the rest! And thank you.
great stuff, especially the bit about the eastern guest.
I think Wolnir's story sheds a lot of light. It's said that, however he found himself there, when he went into the darkness he prayed...but the only person I can think of that inhabits the darkness is the serpent Quaathe. And being a pyromancer, it would make sense for Wolnir to receive a fire-related aid at this time...which I believe is the Profaned Flame.
Yhorm is described as the descendant of a conqueror, who was asked by the conquered to lead them. But it also seems he was mocked by his people, and lost the one person he wanted to protect. This makes me think the Profaned Capital arose from Wolnir's Profaned Flame. Yhorm, apparently a tragic figure who tried to be an earnest ruler, may have linked the flame in order to cleanse the capital
Do we know if the linking of the flame by Yhorm happened before or after Wolnir fell to the abyss? If Yhrom became a lord of cinder AFTER Wolnir fell to the abyss, then the Profane flame could come from Wolnir, the abyss, and Kathe, but isn't it more likely that Yhorm's ancestor is one of those giants from Dark Souls 2, who did basically conquer? Seems reasonably that they would have also taken over the Profane Capital, and eventually Yhorm becomes ruler of said kingdom.
did you know that the phuteriam descendent a bloodborn boss in the chalice dungeon as the same move of the oni slayer weapon art. and he also walks like frieda when in second phase. no sure it's related but i think bloodborn is the next phase after the hollow ending.
PLEASE READ THE DESCRIPTION!! :D
Without a map of where carthus is located relative to anywhere else it could even be referring to Artorius.
19:40 The Demon will also fight and kill the mimic. Now that is an epic battle!
While I quite enjoy the video, there was one minor detail that kind of bugged me a little, albeit nitpicking for the sake of nitpicking without actually undermining anything you said. The grave wardens of the Cathedral of the Deep watched over the graves to make sure that the ever rising corpses could be in check. I think this not to be referring to the number of corpses, as much as the corpses that literally rise from the ground and follow you throughout the beginning of the Cathedral of the Deep. With that in mind, I can only wonder what a grave warden was to Carthus, as the two places don't seem to have any particular connection, and I find it peculiar to say the least. Maybe there's still more to figure out as to what the grave wardens of Carthus had to do, or perhaps they faced a similar issue as the Cathedral of the Deep with ever rising corpses due to their war like nature, possibly leading to the corpses of their victims rising indefinitely from their resting places.
AFTERTHOUGHT: Now that I think of it, perhaps they're called grave wardens because the catacombs is a prison, and they intend to watch over the dead so they might not escape the catacombs.
That's cool to think about, one keeps the dead dead, and the other keeps the dead from leaving. I would like to know more about the whole skeleton part as well though, as resurrection seems like something that'd be pretty important.
Perhaps a mixture of the two possibilities, and the ever rising corpses could refer to the reanimating skeletons as well, although this would seem odd, since there's also a grave warden doing the same among the regular ones.
Why so loud at 17:20?
ForeignKnife read the description my friend, or the annotation I added.
Carthus in greek means cleansing... just sain
This is really informative and well put. Learned a lot. Thanks for that!
No problem! Thank you.
I've been thinking, what if there's another curse that's not well known in the Souls universe outside of it's final effect on whoever's afflicted by it? Perhaps similar to the Undead curse (as well as requiring it to be present), but worse, in the fact that each death you'll lose a bit of sanity, but also find a type of hunger building up, with the inside of the mouth slowly changing as well with each death, getting a bit taller as well each time, with perhaps no way to reverse it, or a way that's unknown.
I think everybody knows where I'm going with this.
What if this curse would slowly change an undead into a mimic over time, and the one thing they'd remember at the end would be the best places to find loot, chests, and they take on that disguise and wait, with the only thing remaining being their hunger and fighting ability?
EDIT: Of course this is completely far fetched, so I don't expect it to go past just a crazy thought.
I like to think that Alonne left the Iron King's side out of disgust once the king's conceit and greed started to show itself.
If Alonne went on to offer his services to Wolnir, then the samurai was a horrible judge of character.
If we ever get another game set in the Dark Souls world, I'd love for it to be set in the East. Maybe I just want to see a badass naginata move-set in Sous. Nioh looks like it will be close to what I'm talking about, but it still won't scratch that specific itch.
I'm just hoping for a DLC set in Carthus
vopop30 Alonne was killed by the iron king
Miazaki is such a "Westaboo", we'll never see more than the odd Eastern comment or character. They'll show up, but never as a focal point.
vopop30 maybe he respected warrior prowess that's what drew him to the 2 kings
A viewer of yours linked me this video because apparently, you and I came to a very similar conclusion regarding Wolnir and his guest - granted, you beat me by about a month! :) Great work!
Oh really? That's cool. What was your theory regarding the guest?
I really want to say also that you have a very deep research behavior. You video are like a police case searching for each element and putting everything together for solving the question. You are brilliant!
Thank you!
Good lore video, you deserve way more views :)
Speaking of the Taurus demon underneath the catacombs- I got it to aggro the mimic after I hit it just to check whether see if it was a regular chest or not. Then after it killed the mimic, most of its health was gone, so I just killed it with barely any effort. It was great lol
I love your dedication to the lore. I put you up there with Vaati Vidya if not better. Keep it up sir! I wish we could do a bloodborne or ds3 playthrough together. Thanks for the amazing content.
Game sound at 17:10 the clip change just ear rapes, can’t hear narrative over the clips sounds of sword play.
What's the music from around 11:00 to 15:20? It sounds awesome and peaceful at the same time.
The thing I love most about Dark Souls lore videos is they always start off so epic, compared to the rest of UA-cam videos that start with "hEy BrOs iTs mE ______ bAcK wItH aNoThEr INSANE LoRe VidEo bE sUrE tO SmAsH tHe sUbScRiBe BuTtOn"
It seems more likely that the visitor was Raime, explaining his sword's presence in the Ruins. Don't forget that the land Sir Alonne left to find was in fact Brume Tower, and when you fight him, you're seeing him die to the Iron King in the past (you're not killing him). I feel like this makes him more or less canonically dead.
Excuse me, what is the background song playing from 5min to 6min ? .. Can't remember !
It is also highly plausible that the warrior from the East who came to the aide of Carthus could also be Shiva of the East (from Dark Souls 1). He was after all a skilled warrior himself. Anyways, you did a very good job on this video. Please keep it up.
That's a possibility. I guess my thought process is aimed more towards Alonne only because his acts of training and philanthropy to Kingdoms had been seen in the past, and Shiva has more of a mercantilist outlook on life. However, that doesn't move him completely out of the realm of what's possible. Thanks!
I like to think that the crowns Wolnir took were the DLC crowns from DS2 protecting him from the curse, but of no salvation in regards to the Abyss
Is anyone else able to activate captions? The option isn't there for me.
What is that sword you're using at 5:57?
6rednek Executioner Greatsword, I think.
Subscribed mate! Great job
did you just gain like 150 subs in a day? You deserve it Bro great work
Pretty much. I'm a bit blown away at the moment!
now do you get the warrior of the east armour set? plus the weapons? i played dark souls 3 once and i havent seen this armour set
The Easterners Ashes, I believe.
What chest piece is he using in that video?
17:21 what do you say here?
Great video. Just a suggestion, gameplay audio vis a vis your narration is sometimes higher, mainly when you were fighting the skeleton warrior as Shiva.
So try to adjust the volume levels, as at that point I couldn't hear what you were saying
Holy shit, you're right. I must have forgotten to change the levels for that clip. Thanks for pointing that out. When I get a chance, I'll create some subtitles for that bit.
I've added annotations for that bit. Thank you!
I hope when they will make dark souls 4 that we will see more of carthus from what we hear and see in dark souls it must be very large kingdom
They said Dark Souls 3 was the last one
How about Shiva of the east instead of Alonne?
Ooh, what's the vocal music you used at the beginning?
I think it's "Sons of the Harpy" from Game of Thrones.
Insightful lore video worth the watch, though there is a part in the middle in which the narration and game audio are too close to one another and you cant make out everything youre saying :)
My friend, please read the description. I have created subtitles especially for that part.
Thanks for your support!
I would like to make note that it is less likely to be Sir Alonne and more likely Shiva of The East given that the Murakamo and Chaos Blade, a weapon Shiva is willing to kill the player for in Dark Souls, are in Dark Souls 3 along with Shivas armour set and the Woodgrain Ring. Given that the region surrounding The Catacombs of Carthus is Farron's Keep and Crucifixion Woods - areas largely associated with Darkroot Garden and therefore Oolacile and the Abyss - it is quite probable that Shiva could have made his way there at some point. Overall I quite like the methodical way you analyse the game and support your theories and while I have small qualms over some interpretations you have made, you take the lore down avenues I wouldn't necessarily consider and make me think a bit more about my own assumptions. Kudos.
Thank you for your feedback.
I need to know the name of the chest piece you are wearing in the beginning of the video.
Black Hand Armour
Though there are other lore videos, your style is better then some I have seen. though mistakes happen but ehh were human but I loved the video. It's good to get a wide amount information and speculation to get me looking deeper into the game as I play. Reaching the ancient city of anor londo I hope to learn how the city fell not from anyone else but from you. Or if the city fell at all, gasps, lols Keep up the good work.
Might have a vid on Anor Londo in the works ;)
awesome cant wait!
Bro that fight at 17 minutes is insanely loud
Has anyone looked to see if the crown prevent hollowing at all?
Wolnir's Crown? No it does not.
Just an idea.
Dude at around 17:30 the game volume is way to high.
Read the description. I added subtitles.
Er, you misread the holy swords description "This holy sword, together with three armlets stripped from the corpses of clerics, gave him some semblance of comfort." It's saying the armlets were stripped from clerics, but it's not worded in any way that suggests the sword was also taken from a cleric.
You are right, that is my mistake. It does not say specifically that it was taken from the corpse. However, the sword does not resemble any that are found in the Catacombs; all of those are curved swords.
Additionally, the sword art that it uses "Wrath of the Gods," the same name as a miracle in DSIII, that emits a powerful "shockwave" (the sword art mentions a "shockwave" as well). Considering that Wolnir and Carthus at large favoured pyromancies over any other form of magic, it seems incongruent that he would have forged (or had forged for him) a sword that uses a miracle, which was not favoured by Carthus.
I would actually like to see the translation of the Japanese item description of the sword. Since DSIII is translated roughly from Japanese, the original description might tell us more.
The ingame sound while reading the black blade description and fighting the warden was overwhelming, could barely hear your voice
Read the description. I put subtitles during that bit. It was a bit of an oversight on my part, but you may have annotations turned off.
cant remember the sword you're using
where you get that?
Awesome shit so far dude. Just one small piece of criticism, turn your vocal volume up above the gameplay sound fx. Tryin to here you but having words cut off by slashing swords blows
Thank you for your feedback! If you see some of my later vids, you'll see that I've made audio clarity a priority :)
just a thought if your correct about carthus resembling an african kingdom then Wolnir might of ground the crowns of those he conquered into one in a similar fashion to how when upper and lower Egypt were united and there crowns were combined. both carthus and Egypt are similar so i thought it was a cool similarity
Sir you are an artist, I love so much your video! Thank you so much!
So I'm not a researcher or anything like that but I am certainly a massive souls fan boy. Any way I was thinking that maybe the visitor from the east could be shiva. Mainly because of from softs attention to detail to everything and they specifically put the word east in there. And also because of the black blade found in the chest which I think is the reincarnation of the chaos blade? And shiva was obsessed with it. Unfortunately I can't remember of shiva dies in the natural story of dark souls which with obviously be conflicting if not though then it sorta makes sense right?
With regards to Alonne, he did leave the Iron King and then return at some point. He could have trained the Carthus warriors in the meantime.
Very true!
So by that logic, souls 2 takes place around the same time as 3?
Well, the backstory of 3 would have been around 2, at least the Carthus part.
Adding to this timeline-speculation, Acid Surge, a pyromancy that's been part of the inventory since DS1, was revealed to have originated in Carthus in DS3's description of it. In DS1 and 2, the descriptions stated that its origin was unknown and DS1's elaborated that it did not originate in the Great Swamp. This implies Carthus existed as far back as DS1's era. It seems to have been a very long-lived kingdom. Wonder how much of Carthus's history was dominated by Wolnir?
Subbed! Keep it up!!
Thank you!
I made a carthus bloodloss build and it wrecks, carthus shotle and shotle for parring.
also uses carthus pyromancies
Still better than Vaati. You earned a new sub.
Thank you, my dude. I'll keep putting out vids!
ending of the video must be a high frequency low wave thing....
17:20 yeeeeep totally can hear you through that audio
Another great video :)
Thanks for your support, dude!
Mitch L Not a problem :) left a like and subbed. I reckon you could contend with VatiVadiya...VattiVaadiya...vati..va-ah fk it..
Fiddy Cent I think he's great at what he does, so that's quite a compliment. I'll just try to do my best and hope it stays up to a good standard :)
Mitch L I like Vaati too, but you seem just as good. You'll rise among the youtube ranks in time, my friend.
Fiddy Cent Cheers mate. Please let me know of any lore areas that you want to see covered. I'd hate to run out of ideas!
After 17:05 your game play sound blocks out your Voice
If I may ask, what do you play Dark Souls on? Xbox, Playstation, PC, etc?
I play on PC, what about you?
Mitch L Awww, I'm an Xbox lad.
Mitch L I had considered buying it on PC, but I had heard numerous rumors of hackers already being in the beta, so I decided against it.
Fiddy Cent I've heard of it as well, but in all my PvP in DS3 so far I haven't encountered any. How is it on the Xbox?
Mitch L So far on Xbox, I have encountered a total of zero modders or hackers, which I am glad about, there have been some people with seemingly questionable stats (I stopped at the 120 meta), but nothing like infinite health or infinite stamina.
Great video but I just want to point out that Carthaginian warriors had straight swords and fought with spear and shield as far as I know (also being armored in a very mediteranian style). However, they relied heavily on mercenaries from all parts of the western mediteranian and northern Africa which could in part look more desert-ish.
Don't know about curved swords though, that one seems a tad out of place for me, just like rapiers in DS3 ...
subscribed, liked and shared. you earned it.
I very much appreciate it!
just thought of something on high lord wolnir. When you fight Wolnir, it looks like the gold bracelets he is wearing is the only thing keeping him from the abyss. when you beak all bracelets you don't actually kill him, he falls into the darkness. on wolnirs holy sword it says that he pleads to the gods for help and that is what happened to the sword, what if the gods also gave him the bracelets to save him from the abyss? i don't know but there is definitely something there :D
Connor Birch There is an item description that says that he got the bracelets from the dead bodies of Clerics.
The mercanary armor is the armor that Guts wore during the golden age of Berserk, the helmet is not though.....
I don't think it was Alonne, while it is entirely possible even if we killed him, as it was in a memory and they retconned Gwyndolyn and Ornstein s death. I like to imagine it was the Iron King who killed Alonne as we are in Iron Kings memory with no Iron King, which may imply that we are playing as the Iron King in the Memory. which would also make Alonnes death absolute.
Black Blade belonged to the Mad Warrior, not Alonne. Mad Warrior was similarly called forth by Vendrick.
I see no Alonne influence in any of Carthus. The Iron Kings whole army dressed like Alonne, fought like Alonne, and were named after Alonne. Carthus has nothing in comparison to Alonne. Not sure how you put Ubidatchi/Onikuri in there, don't see any connection to that to Carthus or Alonne.
"Oni," as I take it from Onislayer Greatbow which is Alonne Greatbow, might refer to Smelter Demon.
Carthus Meaning-
The Cross is steady while the world is turning."
Wolnir was trying to learn dark Pyromancies because Of the Demons at the smouldering lake. Not to be more powerful.
I have aways (unintentionally) refered to it as Carthage
the C in scimitar is silent.
17:40 WTF perfect audio!!!
Beloved Carthage... oh how i miss thee. I would have sailed under you Hanno. I would have marched under you Hamilcar. I would have fought and died for you General Hannibal. I would have gone to the ends of the earth for beloved Carthage. Beloved Carthage.
Spooky scary catacombs that shiver down your spine
The Black Blade was owned by Friede b4 she abandoned the Church of Londor
999DirtyHobos where'd you get that from?
The real question is, why would they build the catacombs so far away :P
I actually do have a theory regarding this that I didn't share in the video. In Roman times, all catacombs were built outside the city walls, as it was illegal to bury the dead within the city. Take this with a grain of salt, but this is interesting none-the-less.
So Targaryens in Dark Souls?
What a great intro
I believe this helps my order of Lords of cinder.
from last to first
Ludleth
Aldrich
Abyss watchers
Yhorm
Princes
15:14 skeleton: shit shit shit shit shit shit shit
I think your connection of Carthage is overbearing, as Rome was made of mostly mercenaries and slaves and much more of a conquerer. Is this a Crusades 2017 ad?
wow that's some nice info
I think your avoiding the real questions, who is john snow?
He's jon targaryen or simply jon snow, we will see it in winds of winter...
I like the Game of Thrones soundtracks, especially the Sons of the Harpy theme in the beginning! fits perfectly. Hope you don't get any Copyriight Claims!
It's an awesome track. Fits that Middle-Eastern/North African vibe of Carthus perfectly. I've been lucky so far, no claims!
Let me know if you can suggest any tracks that have a Dark Souls feel to them, as I will need some for the follow up video of Smouldering Lake/Demon Sanctuary :)
Will Do... But for the smoldering lake video you are planning... My theory is that it is what remains of Izalith and the Bed of Chaos. The Chaos Flame has long since died out and the Demon race as a whole is close to extinction. This is why the remaining demons in DS3 are composed almost entirely of ash. Their inner chaos flame is nearly extinguished.
As for the Smoldering lake itself, it was the spot in which the demons made their last stand. It was likely a combined effort from several different armies and races that drove the demons back to their home and exterminated nearly every one of their kind. However, i believe that the Giants played the biggest role. Who else could have stacked those massive corpses so high? You can also find Giant corpses and a massive ballista they must have used on a cliff overlooking the Smoldering Lake slaughter grounds. Maybe Yhorm led that campaign...
Anyways, just some food for thought. hopefully you can cover some of these aspects in your next video. I look forward to watching it. Thanks!
Brian Lung I didn't think about the possibility of the Giants going to war with the Demons. Very cool theory. I'll definitely include this in the video and reference you. Cheers for the support as well!
Sounds Good, Thanks mate.
Go check out the massive crossbow bolt launcher (AKA: Ballista) in the smoldering lake area. there are 2 giant corpses behind it.
Brian Lung I was aware of the giants corpses near the ballista which did interest me, but I didn't make the connection until you pointed it out, lol.
holy shit why was there so many skeletons
"Oni killer" doesn't mean demon killer in Japanese, oni, (which are Demons in Japanese) are a type of demon found in the east