The buyer is in my opinion taking advantage of your good nature and honesty. Frankly after 7 months it’s even ridiculous he’s actually going to you for help, he took out the extended warranty it’s the warranty people he should’ve been dealing with not you James. Looks like a person that would complain if there was a stone in the tyre and say that’s your fault 🙄
If I buy a used car with high mileage you need to have a savings pot for when things go wrong with it. You saved on the initial cost of the car. I found this out the hard way when the clutch on my mk1 focus diesel went
"If I buy a used car with high mileage you need to have a savings pot for when things go wrong with it." Depends on the car what to expect if anything at all.
The clutch on a mk1 focus diesel should have been fairly cheap. I had the slave cylinder go on my mk 1.5 1.8tddi they put a clutch in wile they had the engine and gearbox split. £55 for the clutch kit. I had the car from 2005 till 2016 started with 63k ended with 169k I didn't replace a single item, other than the clutch I didn't actually need. It never even had a cam belt.
@@chrishart8548 can’t remember the exact cost but it was around the £700 mark. I was saving for and iMac at the time and it completely wiped out my savings fund. I had a mk1.5 1.8 TDCi and with the clutch replacement I needed to change the DMF also. Then, about a year after that my injectors were showing signs of failure, so I just had to sell it for spares and repairs in the end as it was going to cost well over £1k to sort out the injectors. That’s the gamble you take though when buying a high mileage vehicle. Which is what some people don’t seem to grasp.
@01matthewc German engineering is still better than British engineering! At least Germany still has a flourishing profitable locally owned auto industry. What is the biggest British-owned auto manufacturer?
After nearly 7 months The new owner should pay repair cost .. He had the car at a good price And it’s just wear and tear maintenance cost .. I bought a second golf From family member And after 2 months replaced cam belt Just for peace of mind .. Great channel 👍
Warrantywise isn’t worth the paper it’s written on. I had two policies off the back of purchasing two cars, both had issues that should have been covered but WW managed to weasel their way out of it.
In all fairness though, silver cover excludes timing chain so cheaper. And service history was disclosed - its buyer’s responsibility in any event after 7 months of dunning a used car.
You're absolutely right there are so many exclusions built into these Warranties that they are virtually useless it's much more sensible to have the car independently inspected & haggle on the price at POS
Never do anyone a favour, they will never forgive you. Giving discounts never ends well . I had a transit with service history, the timing chain tensioner was failing and booked it into the dealers . They said it's not covered under warranty because ohe of the services was a 1000 miles late . So they are saying the oil turns to soup just after the service interval and ruins the engine. So warranties aren't worth a carrot .
@@matthewwebber2225 you have completely missed the point. Chops gave discount on 3 cars . But the customer still wants to come back and expect him to do more.
If I were the customer I would be very grateful if you helped organize the repair. I would not expect you to pay a penny towards the repair. You can get repair work done far cheaper than most people could. Most BMWs require a major aircraft style going over at 80 to 100 k that should be regarded as a service that costs 2 or 3k to complete on a 4 cylinder model.
Any Japanese car will be pretty reliable if looked after properly. I've had a good experience with several Nissans, none of which have given any trouble. Mazda, Suzuki, Mitsubishi, Toyota, Lexus, Honda, Subaru, Nissan and Infinity are all very well built and reliable cars. Can't really go wrong with any of them. Kia and Hyundai are also excellent choices.
@@markfoden765 same here, James is becoming a mug …there is kindness and being taken advantage of … he should be saying, look I can’t do muc to help I’m afraid and it’s his problem now.
A true friend wouldnt come back crying asking him to pay for it!!! He knows the deal after 6months it's his problem so needs to pay for it himself especially after risking it on a bmw, if James pays for this like a massive mug he needs to shut up shop and change professions becuase everyone who knows how easy he is will turn him over
Follow up, it depends on whether the ad revenues making money, if I was him, I'd get on the garage and ask to film it, in exchange for some free advertisement. :D
I think James is playing this one out as a bit of clickbait. I hope not but having seen his pal turn up in the video that’s the way it seems. Shame if that’s the case.
Some friend! Having been in the motor trade for 57 years I refuse to sell cars to family or friends. Don't get me wrong I'll help them with advice but at the end of the day the onus will be on the seller.
Sadly the timing chains are consumable parts. I believe they also have a service interval, similar to cam belts, although it is usually a longer intercal than the belts. I had to replace the timing chain on our 2009 Mini Cooper S. Wasn't under any kind of warranty and the garages round me either priced themselves out of the job or declined the opportunity. I spent 30 hours stripping it down and replacing it myself. Had to remove the sump to retrieve bits if the guide though. Runs like a dream now, but I can understand why the garages charge so much and are reluctant to do it.
Lesson learned James, don't trade BMW's. They are bad news,but after 7 months it's not down to you to get involved in the repair. I think the best you could do is offer your 'friend ' to help him get the repair done at trade rates by one of your garage contacts . If the guy is your friend he shouldn't expect you to lose the profit from 3 cars to pay for his repair. It looks like he is taking advantage of your good nature.
If your friend bought a car from another dealer… drive that car for 7+ months with no issues, would said friend expect the dealer to pay?… you sold your friend a working car that was in good condition. You buy an old BMW, then you have to expect something is going to need fixed…
I think you need to draw the line and say the favours have been done on all 3 cars and the last warranty at cost. This time it’s down to him in all fairness.
You must be mad !! It’s not your problem You put a warranty on the car The customer extended it great !! Car breaks then it’s the warranty company’s problem If they won’t pay up let the customer argue with them It is not your problem mate or no mate And a mate would not put this on you Its an old car tell him to get over it Also it’s not as if it broke after a couple of days is it
I dont understand James why your customers are coming back to you? If they have a warranty, they should go directly to the warranty company, shouldn't they? Maybe you should put this in your point of sale invoice??
Anyone buying one of these warranties wants their head testing especially if the vehicle has done over 100,000 miles,if you want a new car warranty then buy a new car. People want a new vehicle for secondhand money and then gripe about how much it’s going to cost to repair,it’s a wonder you’ve gone this long without a catastrophe,buying from BCA unseen is a recipe for disaster and buying dealers trade ins without trying them is suicide. If there was any money to be made from selling these high mileage vehicles retail then they would be sell them themselves not leave people like you to tart them up and sell on,it was only a matter of time before you got caught out,the motor trade is ruthless so if you can’t stand the heat then leave the kitchen and work for someone else. BMW know about the timing chain issues with their engines but let’s face it that motor has done over a hundred thousand miles so what did he expect.
Adding a bit of information around BMW timing chains on the N47 because there's so much misinformation even in this video, such as having to remove the engine which is totally wrong. You don't have to remove the engine on any of the E or F generation cars 1, 2, 3 , 4 or 5 series - doesn't matter if it's a 3.0L or 2.0L no need to remove the engine, just take the gearbox off. There are multiple chain failures points, all caused by irregular oil changes. The guides can break apart but this is rarer than just the chain snapping usually caused by the oil spray becoming blocked. The camshaft chain usually goes first but it's not unusual for the middle chain to go. The lower oil pump chain never snap. From 2007 to March 2009 a design flaw in the crankshaft caused premature wear of the mmiddle chain, this was resolved in a newer revision but the issue remained for the top chain. This resulted in further changes to the top timing chain tensioner, making it a little longer and moving the oil supply hole to retain oil better when the engine is off. Shame I wasn't closer, I'd help ya out
Would a 525d m sport on 195k, with full bmw history likely have problems with the chain, its just had a gearbox, and i've been offered it by a family member cheap. Cars literally sat on the m6 for the passed 4 years
@@stevenking2946Unfortunately Steven the primary factor many believe for premature timing chain wear are the extended service intervals. Personally I recommend every 8000 miles rather than the 18000 miles BMW specify although during R&D they say these engines are good for 1 million kilometers which they did achieve in lab testing but it's pretty obvious these extended service intervals haven't helped them achieve this in the real world. There are only tools available to check the top chain stretch without dismantling as the middle chain is behind the rear engine cover and the gearbox would have to come off for this. You could technically remove the valve cover and visually check for movement and wear on the sprocket on the top chain in around 3-4 hours and any BMW indy could do this, gaskets should be fine but they must replace the injector seals, once crushed they don't seal properly again.
@nemz7505 many thanks! Currently got a mondeo, that has variable servicing, sometimes the service indicator comes on at 12k miles other times 8k miles. Changed jobs recently and putting it down to sitting in traffic. That's a 2016 and coming up to 160k, bloke on here called Allan Howatt runs a fleet of them as cabs, runs them at 18k service intervals and finding the timing chains between inlet and exhaust cams are snapping at 250k ish miles, he is putting this down to the extended service intervals, as the mk4 used to be 12k miles, they would run to 400k miles without issues.
If they are a genuine friend this would not be an issue. They would appreciate your previous favourable pricing and not expect you to lose profit on 3 cars as a further favour.
Great Video mate, I was thinking 6:18 all the hard work your little girl puts in maybe the fiat can be given to her and kept as an investment ❤ just an idea 💡
Used car warranties aren't up to much. Generally they say "breakdown" or "failure". This isn't the same as a new car warranty where parts are warranted to be "good". So a noisy part is covered under the new car warranty but the part often has to totally fail on an old car to be covered, which often is a much worse overall failure - and of course a warranty company is an insurance firm, the No 1 priority of which is to their shareholders and therefore to NOT pay out.
Purchased a 520d 2012 with the n47 few years back. First thing i did was have the chain and guides out as the motor had covered over 80k. Two types of people should buy beemers either the mechanically minded who does not mind and is able to diagnose , service, work on their own car, or the wealthy that can afford to keep them running well as they do get maintenance heavy with age and parts. It's just the way these cars are put together by design that contributes the extra expense in labor costs.
Hi James-Wow what a bummer!! The best way to deal with this is the old fashioned way " A duel"-meet at dawn with flintlocks at 100 paces after two years of missing each other by a country mile you would have forgotten what the duel was about-Good luck!! Alan B Joke time Two cows talking in a field one day ,One cow says to the other" Have you heard about this mad cows disease?" Other cow replies "Yes, makes me glad that I am a penguin"
He paid for the warranty that doesn’t cover the chain. Not your fault. I wouldn’t touch a high mileage car unless it had service history and proof of things replaced as per service schedule. By the way, you do not have to provide a courtesy car at all.
Yep, maybe so, but this channel has gone so far downhill from when it first started, ok glad he is doing well, but now with “click bait” videos, bailing out, this obviously scripted video was the last straw….
@6:48 Dodgy dealers get bad reputations in the long run. All those legislators do is increasing the price of the vehicle - dealers have to cover their rearend - and shifting the responsibility of due diligence to the dealer. 🤷♂ @14:48 He is telling it like it is. No need to excuse anyone, aunt Betty. 😘😉
Don't think you should be responsible for the repair. As I said on your previous video on the Merc, I wouldn't touch a used German built car with a barge pole, over engineered , to complicated and bloody expensive to repair. JAMES DONT BUY OR SELL ANY MORE GERMAN RUBBISH😊😊
People need to take some responsibility for their purchasing decisions. If they had done their due diligence on the vehicle and identified any weakness/issues, they should have purchased a warranty that covered it. You have no liability, friend or no friend - they know the score….
When push comes to shove there is no scarcity on wise asses. 🥴Maybe you can teach people how to accurately predict wear and tear within a 7 month time period, next time. 😂
TBH mate. Plastic chain guides are (on BMWs over about 15 years old) are a service part because of "specialist knowledge" a regards failure (ewechoob is full of such vids). It has not taken 6 months for that failure, it has been failing since BMW built the car. However, this does not (IMHO) make it your responsibility. Never deal with mates when there are warranties involved.
Hard luck, he will just have to get the chains done. There are specialists who can so it for less than 1k. Some cars with cambelts that need doing looking at 600+ anyway so its not that much different.
I wouldn't sell a friend a BMW, I own a similar and it's a POS. However, he seems like a nice chap, I'd get in a conflict and let him live in my parking lot as a guard dog.
i can tell you for sure, those 3rd party warranties are very poor and a waste of money for most people. i took one out with warranties2000 in leeds for 300 quid to cover a 2016 A class. the guy selling it at the indi garage said it 'covers almost everything' which i now know was a lie. 7 months later my windscreen washer pump broke. they refused to payout with all sorts of excuses of the typical 'wear and tear', i checked their execution list and i saw they cover electronic parts so sent a letter before action via email and they eventually granted it. checked google reviews and they are all 1 star saying they pull out the 'wear and tear' excuse not to pay out with everyone, as standard practice it seems. awful companies and will never get a warranty from them again.
A good friend should not expect a discount from you as a friend running a small business he should have supported you by paying full price in the first place. Just how I’m sure you would not expect a discount from him for plumbing he shouldn’t have expected one on the car. Therefor as he’s had his discount leave him to sort the repair on his own. I’m sure he wouldn’t want to cripple the deal for his friend on something that’s taken so long to occur Also interesting as never really heard of that engine having chain issues
Surely if an engine has to be removed from any car, the bulk of the cost for a warranty company is in that. If that is covered, then shouldn’t the customer / dealer then only be liable for the cost of the repair itself. After all - without the engine being removed the fault can’t be diagnosed 🤷🏼♂️ Sounds like the warranty company wanting it both ways to me !
Would assume it would also depend on how many miles the buyer had covered. I boughtva car,done 800 miles in it,clutch exploded,. No warning no clutch slip at all,pedal not high.
⚠️Rover 75 has the BMW M47 engine in straight out the 2000y 3 series. We've seen those chains exceed 500k miles plus. No engine since then has that sort of longevity. Modern BMW engines are pants. Some "friend" you have have there. Good luck with that 😂
I bought a bmw x5 40d 2014 from a dealer at 84k miles with full bmw service history, and it turned out to have a stretched timing chain it was making a rotational noise at 3k rpm very hard to spot, I complained to the rac warranty about it and a rac specialist garage said its the timimg chain but the warranty still refused to cover it they wanted me to spend 2k plus out my own pocket to just get the engine out so they could inspect it. I had the timing chain done at a BMW specialist independent garage for £1.5k with genuine parts and 2 year guarantee. Problem is BMWs suggested service interval is 20k miles or 2 years which is ridiculous since having the timing chain done I'm servicing the car every 5k miles it's been running like new since on 110k miles today not going to the main dealer ever again.
If it is a diesel bmw with an N??7 or B??7 engine in it, at circa 100,000 miles such a failure is compulsory. The cam chain design is a total abortion. I have one. Yes, it happened to me last year. Looked at design and vomited. BMW use the wrong chain (Should be inverted tooth) with horrible plastic tensioners which help wreck the chain and sprockets. I had repair done for £900. Not dear for engine out and major strip.
As it’s a mate I’d get the repair done at trade rates. Go 50/50 on all the labour and get your mate to pay for all parts. Up to him if he also wants to do clutch and timing chain.
got the car cheap, had it and happy for 6 months now wants it done for free / well i would say sorry mate , you go get it fixed and either pay for it yourself or get the warranty peope lt ocover it or atleast half, but being as yo udid not take out the warranty to cover the timing chain then thats yoru own fault. either pay for a top warranty or save the money and put it towards parts if and whne they break.. BMW timing chain problem is not rare and will happen to every bloody one of them... now to do the job of take engine out and put back in is what £500 ish. the timing chain part will be very cheap say £20 max,, no point b uying bmw part as they are cheap nasty shit... if the clutch has done 100,000 then replace it now or take a chance..... the whoe thing done is going to be around £750 to £1,000.. this is what you have to keep in your back pocket to own a german dustbin. there is no way on earth chops should be payinga penny towards this.... 7 months no chance 7 days then yes, maybe even 7 weeks but to me even that would be taking the piss especially if a so called friend........... should of got the garage t osay its something internal and worked out a deal nudge nudge wink wink.... that way warranty would of paid out for say a set of pistons or atleast say the clutch has fell t obits so yo uget something out of the warranty.
Poor people drive used AUDI and BMW because they go broke on maintenance costs, but hey everything for the "badge". Let me drive my Honda Civic, not that those are perfect..
no friends in business, Look up BMW and you will find timing chain issues , customers should research b4 purchase. You should sell with a disclaimer about chain, seriously, it WILL go, cambelts all day long😊
in my opinion manufactures make cars to last 3years until they are out of warranty,my auto electrician bought a 520d touring his wife was driving it and the chain broke,4,500 to fix, he had paid 12.500 for the car then sold it to a friend for 1,000 just wanted to get rid of it.stupid idea to have chain on the back of the engine,this is a weak single chain, i very rarely see warranty firms paying out
Those extended warranties aren’t worth the paper they are written on ! My friend has a mot station with 3 mechanics ! Warranty companies have agreed to have work done and then refused to pay ! So the owner of customer has a bill he wasn’t expecting ! He won’t deal “ with these warranty “ companies ever again !
Everybody's having your trowsers down mate, the original owner will have been told or knew about BM chain issues, maybe heard the start of it, your all optimistic thinking bmw top product, having no idea of these engines (!) then it's a years warranty on a crap product, madness, then it's a discount, then it's this guys daughters car, she'll just want it fixing at no expense, then you get involved with take it to any Garage c**p hoping WW will pay up, now it's come to this with a 1500 quid bill, maybe more, if left that engine will blow, I'm angry for you mate tbh, you get taken advantage of all round imo.
Your too friendly mate, I've noticed it with other traders, customers, main dealers you seem to trust everyone, make excuses for them when they've plainly ripped you off, subscribers cars are great, blah, blah, get mean mate before it's too late, it's just self preservation, a quality that you seem to lack tbh, car games dog eat dog, I mean saying about giving money back if no claim (?) you've got a living to make, fair but firm. Rate your going you'll need to sell 4 cars a week to cover everything.
This gas guy buys some high end motors, he's probably more clued up on cars and faults than you mate tbh, depending on what miles cars done since selling (if it's his daughter maybe not many) probably best to compromise, in future 3 mths own warranty or 3000 miles whichever sooner, all this WW any vat registered Garage is cobblers mate, forget going on about the law, don't sell to people you know, gen up more on car faults, stop buying everything and anything people offer you.
Sorry but I’ve heard all this before c/o used car warranties Ive personally bought cars in the past with full service history and warranties still didn’t pay out on all occasions of claims ? For me they’re not worth the paper they’re written on …
I had on 08 120d would never buy another one , you can take the gearbox out and do the chains also they need to be serviced every 7k so I wouldn't be paying for the repair
If your good enough to loan him a car he is a lucky man. If he expects you to help don't forget to charge him mileage and if over a week a small rental charge.
I respect your kindness but not every one is like you... You need to show the teeth sometimes in your line of work especially if they are trying to take the piss ... Goodluck 👍
Love story time. I got done by a dealer recently in Birmingham. Cowboys, Asian guys giving themselves English names to fool you... they sold me a car where they said no warrenty implied, which I later found out is not allowed as I'm not a trader. They were selling a 3 month warranty for 250 which I found too high , car had bwm full service history. I am in Scotland, so turns out back discs needed replacing and they put on pads dry ... so now I had to get discs replaced myself and there is a constant noise that we haven't been able to diagnose. Only way I can get them to pay is to take them to court... as taking the car back down to Birmingham is too much hassle. Consumer rights act would have covered this but as I mentioned they would not do it I'm sure and I'd be wasting my time...
Is there a crime to using English names by Asians? I'm Asian but have a Persian name although some may argue its Jewish. I kid you not I'm not fooling anyone
Back in the old days, at the old premises, some of your cars took so long to sell, they became almost like old friends. Part of the show. That's what I like about the Swift, and what I liked about the Caddy
Warrantywank aint worth the paper tyey are printed on. Also 2 garages i tried wouldnt even look at a car when i told them the warranty was with warrantywise
Avoid BMW's :) If this car was supplied by a typical Midlands dealer, the customer would not get any sympathy at all even after a few weeks from buying. The fact you are still willing to help is amazing. The chains are a known issue on these cars. I would not touch one with a bargepole even with decent history (they fail anyway). It made moresense to buy the older gen (front chain) version and bargain for the cost of replacing the chain as preventative.
The problem is it's impossible to find one with truly decent service history. No one is going to have gone above and beyond BMWs ridiculous 18-20k miles intervals for the oil change so even "full" service history is not much good. Need to factor that the chains will need doing at 100-120k.
Mines From Birmingham.. its an e46 coupe though with an M47. It was a private sale and more the exception then the rule as it was a 2 owner same family car with FSH and from Solihull, Ive stuck 65k on the car in 7 years. At the time I could of got an e9x for similar money but know how bad the n47 can be. My Brother in Law has a 118d and thats just had an engine in it because of the chain actually snapping.
@@sneekerukagree. We specialise in Rover 75's with the M47 engine in. Some have done over 500k miles on the original lump. N47 and engines since are PANTS ⚠️
I would be careful with Warranty Wise. I bought a car from BCA the turbo went a year later at 70K. Full service history, they said it's wear'n'tear...They also don't cover known issues like BMW swirls flaps & timing chains, Porsche IMS, RMS, bore scoring they class those as manufacturing defects...
Unfortunately turbos are for sure fair wear n tear at 70k not an unexpected breakage. I don't think we would be able to afford to buy the warranty they sold that was guaranteed to cover everything
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The buyer is in my opinion taking advantage of your good nature and honesty.
Frankly after 7 months it’s even ridiculous he’s actually going to you for help, he took out the extended warranty it’s the warranty people he should’ve been dealing with not you James.
Looks like a person that would complain if there was a stone in the tyre and say that’s your fault 🙄
If I buy a used car with high mileage you need to have a savings pot for when things go wrong with it. You saved on the initial cost of the car. I found this out the hard way when the clutch on my mk1 focus diesel went
"If I buy a used car with high mileage you need to have a savings pot for when things go wrong with it." Depends on the car what to expect if anything at all.
@@worldhello1234clutches go on any car. High mileage cars will have things go wrong on them after 10 years
The clutch on a mk1 focus diesel should have been fairly cheap. I had the slave cylinder go on my mk 1.5 1.8tddi they put a clutch in wile they had the engine and gearbox split. £55 for the clutch kit. I had the car from 2005 till 2016 started with 63k ended with 169k I didn't replace a single item, other than the clutch I didn't actually need. It never even had a cam belt.
@@chrishart8548 can’t remember the exact cost but it was around the £700 mark. I was saving for and iMac at the time and it completely wiped out my savings fund. I had a mk1.5 1.8 TDCi and with the clutch replacement I needed to change the DMF also. Then, about a year after that my injectors were showing signs of failure, so I just had to sell it for spares and repairs in the end as it was going to cost well over £1k to sort out the injectors.
That’s the gamble you take though when buying a high mileage vehicle. Which is what some people don’t seem to grasp.
Did you hear BMW are catching fire the police are no longer using BMW's
yes, all over the small media. The 3.0 diesels don't like idling and overheat.
Not on this superior German engineering, surely??
@01matthewc German engineering is still better than British engineering!
At least Germany still has a flourishing profitable locally owned auto industry.
What is the biggest British-owned auto manufacturer?
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I was in the trade for over 40 years. lots of cheeky idiots like him.
Why do friends expect mates rates, he should be supporting you in business not taking advantage of it.
After nearly 7 months
The new owner should pay repair cost ..
He had the car at a good price
And it’s just wear and tear maintenance cost ..
I bought a second golf
From family member
And after 2 months replaced cam belt
Just for peace of mind ..
Great channel 👍
warranty is warranty, they paid a years warranty.
Warrantywise isn’t worth the paper it’s written on. I had two policies off the back of purchasing two cars, both had issues that should have been covered but WW managed to weasel their way out of it.
In all fairness though, silver cover excludes timing chain so cheaper. And service history was disclosed - its buyer’s responsibility in any event after 7 months of dunning a used car.
They're all worthless really. It's an insurance, a gamble, and the odds are heavily stacked in their favour.
You're absolutely right there are so many exclusions built into these Warranties that they are virtually useless it's much more sensible to have the car independently inspected & haggle on the price at POS
I canceled my warranty wise loads of crap just dome repairs my self hassil I had to get checked out was unbelievable
Insignia puts the BMW's to shame if I'm honest ..regular servicing with insignias I had no issues .there good cars Very underated car
Never do anyone a favour, they will never forgive you. Giving discounts never ends well . I had a transit with service history, the timing chain tensioner was failing and booked it into the dealers . They said it's not covered under warranty because ohe of the services was a 1000 miles late . So they are saying the oil turns to soup just after the service interval and ruins the engine. So warranties aren't worth a carrot .
Exactly the reason warranties are rarely worth getting, they will do what they can to get out of a claim
'Never do anyone a favour'. What a world we'd live in if we all adopted this positive kindly mantra.
@@matthewwebber2225 you have completely missed the point. Chops gave discount on 3 cars . But the customer still wants to come back and expect him to do more.
If I were the customer I would be very grateful if you helped organize the repair. I would not expect you to pay a penny towards the repair. You can get repair work done far cheaper than most people could. Most BMWs require a major aircraft style going over at 80 to 100 k that should be regarded as a service that costs 2 or 3k to complete on a 4 cylinder model.
If he's a friend, he wouldn't do that to you
He is funny, but someone buys his mate's car, there's no understanding that the seller coughs up if it goes tits up after 7 months
@mightywatcher5894 Years back I sold an old car, 6 weeks later matey rang and said the engine has seized you need to pay for it. Told him to sod off.
I don’t even know why he’s asking you to fix it , surely it’s between him and warranty company ???
Occupational hazard of buying an old BMW. Nowadays I’ll only buy Honda or Toyota.
Totally agree old bms are a headache,you can't go wrong with a toyota or a honda even older units.
Any Japanese car will be pretty reliable if looked after properly. I've had a good experience with several Nissans, none of which have given any trouble. Mazda, Suzuki, Mitsubishi, Toyota, Lexus, Honda, Subaru, Nissan and Infinity are all very well built and reliable cars. Can't really go wrong with any of them. Kia and Hyundai are also excellent choices.
@@matthewgodwin3050 You can't beat the Japanese
German = body will outlast the mechanicals. Japanese - mechanicals outlast the body! Its hard to win either way!
Toyota for sure but any other jap car not as reliable as they were back in the day.
I can't wait for the next video, when you agree to pay half and feel bad for the fella.
If he does I'm unsubscribeing for sure
@@markfoden765 same here, James is becoming a mug …there is kindness and being taken advantage of … he should be saying, look I can’t do muc to help I’m afraid and it’s his problem now.
A true friend wouldnt come back crying asking him to pay for it!!! He knows the deal after 6months it's his problem so needs to pay for it himself especially after risking it on a bmw, if James pays for this like a massive mug he needs to shut up shop and change professions becuase everyone who knows how easy he is will turn him over
Follow up, it depends on whether the ad revenues making money, if I was him, I'd get on the garage and ask to film it, in exchange for some free advertisement. :D
I think James is playing this one out as a bit of clickbait. I hope not but having seen his pal turn up in the video that’s the way it seems. Shame if that’s the case.
I'd say it's down to your friend sadly, and the warranty company in the end. Maybe a good will gesture by you at the very most.
Give Gas Guy a complimentary bottle of GT Shine and send him on his way😂
I'd just tell him to stop takimh the p1ss and deal with the warranty company directly!
When buying a car from a garage i wouldn't dream of complaining after seven months
Some friend! Having been in the motor trade for 57 years I refuse to sell cars to family or friends. Don't get me wrong I'll help them with advice but at the end of the day the onus will be on the seller.
Like you say , never do business with friends or family . Enjoying all your videos ,always a good watch 👍👍
As they say. No good deed goes unpunished...
Sadly the timing chains are consumable parts. I believe they also have a service interval, similar to cam belts, although it is usually a longer intercal than the belts.
I had to replace the timing chain on our 2009 Mini Cooper S. Wasn't under any kind of warranty and the garages round me either priced themselves out of the job or declined the opportunity. I spent 30 hours stripping it down and replacing it myself. Had to remove the sump to retrieve bits if the guide though. Runs like a dream now, but I can understand why the garages charge so much and are reluctant to do it.
Yes pain
Lesson learned James, don't trade BMW's.
They are bad news,but after 7 months it's not down to you to get involved in the repair. I think the best you could do is offer your 'friend ' to help him get the repair done at trade rates by one of your garage contacts .
If the guy is your friend he shouldn't expect you to lose the profit from 3 cars to pay for his repair. It looks like he is taking advantage of your good nature.
To many comments to answer however all I can say is I’m still camped at his garage 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 @james can I have bacon and coffee
Stop destroying the toilet. Boys passed at your not turning up last night
@@ChopsGarage lol 😂
If your friend bought a car from another dealer… drive that car for 7+ months with no issues, would said friend expect the dealer to pay?… you sold your friend a working car that was in good condition. You buy an old BMW, then you have to expect something is going to need fixed…
I think you need to draw the line and say the favours have been done on all 3 cars and the last warranty at cost. This time it’s down to him in all fairness.
Always remember James " a friend in need is a bleedin nuisance" Regards Jim.
You must be mad !! It’s not your problem
You put a warranty on the car
The customer extended it great !!
Car breaks then it’s the warranty company’s problem
If they won’t pay up let the customer argue with them
It is not your problem
mate or no mate
And a mate would not put this
on you
Its an old car tell him to get over it
Also it’s not as if it broke after a couple of days is it
The customer should pay for the repairs - no doubt about it. He’s got a cheek to think otherwise. You don’t need friends like that!!
I dont understand James why your customers are coming back to you? If they have a warranty, they should go directly to the warranty company, shouldn't they? Maybe you should put this in your point of sale invoice??
With friends like that who needs enemies ffs🙄
Anyone buying one of these warranties wants their head testing especially if the vehicle has done over 100,000 miles,if you want a new car warranty then buy a new car. People want a new vehicle for secondhand money and then gripe about how much it’s going to cost to repair,it’s a wonder you’ve gone this long without a catastrophe,buying from BCA unseen is a recipe for disaster and buying dealers trade ins without trying them is suicide. If there was any money to be made from selling these high mileage vehicles retail then they would be sell them themselves not leave people like you to tart them up and sell on,it was only a matter of time before you got caught out,the motor trade is ruthless so if you can’t stand the heat then leave the kitchen and work for someone else. BMW know about the timing chain issues with their engines but let’s face it that motor has done over a hundred thousand miles so what did he expect.
Adding a bit of information around BMW timing chains on the N47 because there's so much misinformation even in this video, such as having to remove the engine which is totally wrong. You don't have to remove the engine on any of the E or F generation cars 1, 2, 3 , 4 or 5 series - doesn't matter if it's a 3.0L or 2.0L no need to remove the engine, just take the gearbox off.
There are multiple chain failures points, all caused by irregular oil changes. The guides can break apart but this is rarer than just the chain snapping usually caused by the oil spray becoming blocked. The camshaft chain usually goes first but it's not unusual for the middle chain to go. The lower oil pump chain never snap.
From 2007 to March 2009 a design flaw in the crankshaft caused premature wear of the mmiddle chain, this was resolved in a newer revision but the issue remained for the top chain. This resulted in further changes to the top timing chain tensioner, making it a little longer and moving the oil supply hole to retain oil better when the engine is off.
Shame I wasn't closer, I'd help ya out
Would a 525d m sport on 195k, with full bmw history likely have problems with the chain, its just had a gearbox, and i've been offered it by a family member cheap. Cars literally sat on the m6 for the passed 4 years
@@stevenking2946Unfortunately Steven the primary factor many believe for premature timing chain wear are the extended service intervals. Personally I recommend every 8000 miles rather than the 18000 miles BMW specify although during R&D they say these engines are good for 1 million kilometers which they did achieve in lab testing but it's pretty obvious these extended service intervals haven't helped them achieve this in the real world.
There are only tools available to check the top chain stretch without dismantling as the middle chain is behind the rear engine cover and the gearbox would have to come off for this. You could technically remove the valve cover and visually check for movement and wear on the sprocket on the top chain in around 3-4 hours and any BMW indy could do this, gaskets should be fine but they must replace the injector seals, once crushed they don't seal properly again.
@nemz7505 many thanks! Currently got a mondeo, that has variable servicing, sometimes the service indicator comes on at 12k miles other times 8k miles. Changed jobs recently and putting it down to sitting in traffic. That's a 2016 and coming up to 160k, bloke on here called Allan Howatt runs a fleet of them as cabs, runs them at 18k service intervals and finding the timing chains between inlet and exhaust cams are snapping at 250k ish miles, he is putting this down to the extended service intervals, as the mk4 used to be 12k miles, they would run to 400k miles without issues.
If they are a genuine friend this would not be an issue. They would appreciate your previous favourable pricing and not expect you to lose profit on 3 cars as a further favour.
If the customer had any sense, he'd trade the BMW back in and buy and keep the ultra fun & reliable Suzuki Swift Sport.
Great Video mate, I was thinking 6:18 all the hard work your little girl puts in maybe the fiat can be given to her and kept as an investment ❤ just an idea 💡
Used car warranties aren't up to much.
Generally they say "breakdown" or "failure". This isn't the same as a new car warranty where parts are warranted to be "good".
So a noisy part is covered under the new car warranty but the part often has to totally fail on an old car to be covered, which often is a much worse overall failure - and of course a warranty company is an insurance firm, the No 1 priority of which is to their shareholders and therefore to NOT pay out.
Purchased a 520d 2012 with the n47 few years back. First thing i did was have the chain and guides out as the motor had covered over 80k. Two types of people should buy beemers either the mechanically minded who does not mind and is able to diagnose , service, work on their own car, or the wealthy that can afford to keep them running well as they do get maintenance heavy with age and parts. It's just the way these cars are put together by design that contributes the extra expense in labor costs.
True
Hi James-Wow what a bummer!! The best way to deal with this is the old fashioned way " A duel"-meet at dawn with flintlocks at 100 paces after two years of missing each other by a country mile you would have forgotten what the duel was about-Good luck!!
Alan B
Joke time
Two cows talking in a field one day ,One cow says to the other" Have you heard about this mad cows disease?" Other cow replies "Yes, makes me glad that I am a penguin"
He paid for the warranty that doesn’t cover the chain. Not your fault.
I wouldn’t touch a high mileage car unless it had service history and proof of things replaced as per service schedule.
By the way, you do not have to provide a courtesy car at all.
What a click bait video, after the foul language, unsubscribing….
Shame the channel has gone down to this level tbh..
My thoughts too 👍
Typical buyer turned joke retailer 🤦♂️
You’ll be sadly missed - not
Yep, maybe so, but this channel has gone so far downhill from when it first started, ok glad he is doing well, but now with “click bait” videos, bailing out, this obviously scripted video was the last straw….
@6:48 Dodgy dealers get bad reputations in the long run. All those legislators do is increasing the price of the vehicle - dealers have to cover their rearend - and shifting the responsibility of due diligence to the dealer. 🤷♂
@14:48 He is telling it like it is. No need to excuse anyone, aunt Betty. 😘😉
If he took out an extended warranty with Warranty Wise why is he contacting you? Should he not be contacting Warranty Wise?
Could you not ensure the plastic guide IS broken 😀
Don't think you should be responsible for the repair. As I said on your previous video on the Merc, I wouldn't touch a used German built car with a barge pole, over engineered , to complicated and bloody expensive to repair. JAMES DONT BUY OR SELL ANY MORE GERMAN RUBBISH😊😊
People need to take some responsibility for their purchasing decisions. If they had done their due diligence on the vehicle and identified any weakness/issues, they should have purchased a warranty that covered it. You have no liability, friend or no friend - they know the score….
When push comes to shove there is no scarcity on wise asses. 🥴Maybe you can teach people how to accurately predict wear and tear within a 7 month time period, next time. 😂
TBH mate. Plastic chain guides are (on BMWs over about 15 years old) are a service part because of "specialist knowledge" a regards failure (ewechoob is full of such vids). It has not taken 6 months for that failure, it has been failing since BMW built the car. However, this does not (IMHO) make it your responsibility.
Never deal with mates when there are warranties involved.
James,a thought did bmw put out a service bulletin to get the chain or tensioner replaced and if so bmw might help !!!! What do u think
Hard luck, he will just have to get the chains done. There are specialists who can so it for less than 1k. Some cars with cambelts that need doing looking at 600+ anyway so its not that much different.
I wouldn't sell a friend a BMW, I own a similar and it's a POS. However, he seems like a nice chap, I'd get in a conflict and let him live in my parking lot as a guard dog.
i can tell you for sure, those 3rd party warranties are very poor and a waste of money for most people. i took one out with warranties2000 in leeds for 300 quid to cover a 2016 A class. the guy selling it at the indi garage said it 'covers almost everything' which i now know was a lie. 7 months later my windscreen washer pump broke. they refused to payout with all sorts of excuses of the typical 'wear and tear', i checked their execution list and i saw they cover electronic parts so sent a letter before action via email and they eventually granted it. checked google reviews and they are all 1 star saying they pull out the 'wear and tear' excuse not to pay out with everyone, as standard practice it seems. awful companies and will never get a warranty from them again.
Defo have to argue the toss like most insurances
@@ChopsGarage i know. have to persuade them to do the one thing you pay them for. slime balls!
A good friend should not expect a discount from you as a friend running a small business he should have supported you by paying full price in the first place. Just how I’m sure you would not expect a discount from him for plumbing he shouldn’t have expected one on the car.
Therefor as he’s had his discount leave him to sort the repair on his own. I’m sure he wouldn’t want to cripple the deal for his friend on something that’s taken so long to occur
Also interesting as never really heard of that engine having chain issues
Be honest and say i cant cover it as i need to keep a roof over my head and make money. (changed my mind get the boxing gloves out😂)
Surely if an engine has to be removed from any car, the bulk of the cost for a warranty company is in that. If that is covered, then shouldn’t the customer / dealer then only be liable for the cost of the repair itself. After all - without the engine being removed the fault can’t be diagnosed 🤷🏼♂️
Sounds like the warranty company wanting it both ways to me !
They pay for all associated costs IF its a covered part. This policy said it did not cover the chain
@@ChopsGarage so chain AND associated parts?
Hence the reason to steer clear of bmw after the E46 era
It's his car now so his responsibility for good or bad
Would assume it would also depend on how many miles the buyer had covered.
I boughtva car,done 800 miles in it,clutch exploded,.
No warning no clutch slip at all,pedal not high.
⚠️Rover 75 has the BMW M47 engine in straight out the 2000y 3 series.
We've seen those chains exceed 500k miles plus.
No engine since then has that sort of longevity.
Modern BMW engines are pants.
Some "friend" you have have there.
Good luck with that 😂
I bought a bmw x5 40d 2014 from a dealer at 84k miles with full bmw service history, and it turned out to have a stretched timing chain it was making a rotational noise at 3k rpm very hard to spot, I complained to the rac warranty about it and a rac specialist garage said its the timimg chain but the warranty still refused to cover it they wanted me to spend 2k plus out my own pocket to just get the engine out so they could inspect it. I had the timing chain done at a BMW specialist independent garage for £1.5k with genuine parts and 2 year guarantee. Problem is BMWs suggested service interval is 20k miles or 2 years which is ridiculous since having the timing chain done I'm servicing the car every 5k miles it's been running like new since on 110k miles today not going to the main dealer ever again.
The perils of buying a BMW 1 Series ( a.k.a. U boat) with 100k + on the clock.......he can't expect miracles after 7 months.
If it is a diesel bmw with an N??7 or B??7 engine in it, at circa 100,000 miles such a failure is compulsory. The cam chain design is a total abortion. I have one. Yes, it happened to me last year. Looked at design and vomited.
BMW use the wrong chain (Should be inverted tooth) with horrible plastic tensioners which help wreck the chain and sprockets. I had repair done for £900. Not dear for engine out and major strip.
As it’s a mate I’d get the repair done at trade rates. Go 50/50 on all the labour and get your mate to pay for all parts. Up to him if he also wants to do clutch and timing chain.
got the car cheap, had it and happy for 6 months now wants it done for free / well i would say sorry mate , you go get it fixed and either pay for it yourself or get the warranty peope lt ocover it or atleast half, but being as yo udid not take out the warranty to cover the timing chain then thats yoru own fault. either pay for a top warranty or save the money and put it towards parts if and whne they break.. BMW timing chain problem is not rare and will happen to every bloody one of them... now to do the job of take engine out and put back in is what £500 ish. the timing chain part will be very cheap say £20 max,, no point b uying bmw part as they are cheap nasty shit... if the clutch has done 100,000 then replace it now or take a chance..... the whoe thing done is going to be around £750 to £1,000.. this is what you have to keep in your back pocket to own a german dustbin. there is no way on earth chops should be payinga penny towards this.... 7 months no chance 7 days then yes, maybe even 7 weeks but to me even that would be taking the piss especially if a so called friend........... should of got the garage t osay its something internal and worked out a deal nudge nudge wink wink.... that way warranty would of paid out for say a set of pistons or atleast say the clutch has fell t obits so yo uget something out of the warranty.
Poor people drive used AUDI and BMW because they go broke on maintenance costs, but hey everything for the "badge". Let me drive my Honda Civic, not that those are perfect..
Buy Japanese/Korean. I would not buy a 10 year old BMW, patchy Service History, and over 100,000 miles.
no friends in business, Look up BMW and you will find timing chain issues , customers should research b4 purchase. You should sell with a disclaimer about chain, seriously, it WILL go, cambelts all day long😊
in my opinion manufactures make cars to last 3years until they are out of warranty,my auto electrician bought a 520d touring his wife was driving it and the chain broke,4,500 to fix, he had paid 12.500 for the car then sold it to a friend for 1,000 just wanted to get rid of it.stupid idea to have chain on the back of the engine,this is a weak single chain, i very rarely see warranty firms paying out
Theres an old saying "in business you have no friends". This is a business deal!! HE covers the cost NOT you.
Those extended warranties aren’t worth the paper they are written on !
My friend has a mot station with 3 mechanics ! Warranty companies have agreed to have work done and then refused to pay !
So the owner of customer has a bill he wasn’t expecting !
He won’t deal “ with these warranty “ companies ever again !
Everybody's having your trowsers down mate, the original owner will have been told or knew about BM chain issues, maybe heard the start of it, your all optimistic thinking bmw top product, having no idea of these engines (!) then it's a years warranty on a crap product, madness, then it's a discount, then it's this guys daughters car, she'll just want it fixing at no expense, then you get involved with take it to any Garage c**p hoping WW will pay up, now it's come to this with a 1500 quid bill, maybe more, if left that engine will blow, I'm angry for you mate tbh, you get taken advantage of all round imo.
Your too friendly mate, I've noticed it with other traders, customers, main dealers you seem to trust everyone, make excuses for them when they've plainly ripped you off, subscribers cars are great, blah, blah, get mean mate before it's too late, it's just self preservation, a quality that you seem to lack tbh, car games dog eat dog, I mean saying about giving money back if no claim (?) you've got a living to make, fair but firm. Rate your going you'll need to sell 4 cars a week to cover everything.
This gas guy buys some high end motors, he's probably more clued up on cars and faults than you mate tbh, depending on what miles cars done since selling (if it's his daughter maybe not many) probably best to compromise, in future 3 mths own warranty or 3000 miles whichever sooner, all this WW any vat registered Garage is cobblers mate, forget going on about the law, don't sell to people you know, gen up more on car faults, stop buying everything and anything people offer you.
I would not touch a BMW with a barge pole over 50k miles these days.
Pure garbage
Hmm that interaction at the end is all I need to know about your friend. All the truest things said in jest......
Dont sell him anything else
Sorry but I’ve heard all this before c/o used car warranties Ive personally bought cars in the past with full service history and warranties still didn’t pay out on all occasions of claims ? For me they’re not worth the paper they’re written on …
Some friend he is , sell him discounted cars ,out of warranty and he expects you to shoulder the repair nah tell him hes being unreasonable .
I had on 08 120d would never buy another one , you can take the gearbox out and do the chains also they need to be serviced every 7k so I wouldn't be paying for the repair
If your good enough to loan him a car he is a lucky man. If he expects you to help don't forget to charge him mileage and if over a week a small rental charge.
Can't believe that anyone would be trying to get dealer to cover this after 7 months,
Stand by your ground. Only one friend only one customer. Business is business. Sold as seen. 6 months I could have been to China and back
Free courtesy car until your mates car is fixed, sounds fair to me?
I respect your kindness but not every one is like you... You need to show the teeth sometimes in your line of work especially if they are trying to take the piss ... Goodluck 👍
Love story time. I got done by a dealer recently in Birmingham. Cowboys, Asian guys giving themselves English names to fool you... they sold me a car where they said no warrenty implied, which I later found out is not allowed as I'm not a trader. They were selling a 3 month warranty for 250 which I found too high , car had bwm full service history. I am in Scotland, so turns out back discs needed replacing and they put on pads dry ... so now I had to get discs replaced myself and there is a constant noise that we haven't been able to diagnose. Only way I can get them to pay is to take them to court... as taking the car back down to Birmingham is too much hassle. Consumer rights act would have covered this but as I mentioned they would not do it I'm sure and I'd be wasting my time...
You bought a bmtroubleyou, what do you expect
I’m Asian but I don’t buy cars off Asian lads as you said they use fake names online. They sell lemons.
Is there a crime to using English names by Asians? I'm Asian but have a Persian name although some may argue its Jewish. I kid you not I'm not fooling anyone
I never buy or sell from Asians. They will damage car and come in massive groups to buy a car.
@@NG-sx9pw it's deceptive. Asian lads know they have a bad rep selling lemons.
Not your problem after the amount of time hes had it... i wouldn't dream of taking a car back to dealer after 6 months.
Back in the old days, at the old premises, some of your cars took so long to sell, they became almost like old friends. Part of the show. That's what I like about the Swift, and what I liked about the Caddy
I think it's an outrageous claim. Clearly trying it on.
James dont give in as they have all ready had a great deals from you. never sell or buy from friends or family mate hope it works out for you
Buy a BMW and your are asking for trouble no idea why anyone would buy one, or a Merc/VAG. You are not responsible.
TBF, your mate sounds like a div. ‘What do I do’, ‘what do I do’?
Who in their right mind would buy a second hand BMW, same for buying a second hand french car?
His car his problem - after 7 months you owe nothing to them, they had the discount at the point of purchase.
You seem to forget your mantra
These cars are end of life
7 months sorry thats your problem for buying high mileage german
Warrantywank aint worth the paper tyey are printed on. Also 2 garages i tried wouldnt even look at a car when i told them the warranty was with warrantywise
He's only trying it on as he's a friend. Most garages would tell him to *** off!
Thats why I don't mix business and friends. But nice to know you managed to sort it out between yourselves
How come your on the hook for a courtesy car?7 months in and car has extended warranty 🤔
Avoid BMW's :) If this car was supplied by a typical Midlands dealer, the customer would not get any sympathy at all even after a few weeks from buying. The fact you are still willing to help is amazing. The chains are a known issue on these cars. I would not touch one with a bargepole even with decent history (they fail anyway). It made moresense to buy the older gen (front chain) version and bargain for the cost of replacing the chain as preventative.
The problem is it's impossible to find one with truly decent service history. No one is going to have gone above and beyond BMWs ridiculous 18-20k miles intervals for the oil change so even "full" service history is not much good. Need to factor that the chains will need doing at 100-120k.
Mines From Birmingham.. its an e46 coupe though with an M47. It was a private sale and more the exception then the rule as it was a 2 owner same family car with FSH and from Solihull, Ive stuck 65k on the car in 7 years. At the time I could of got an e9x for similar money but know how bad the n47 can be. My Brother in Law has a 118d and thats just had an engine in it because of the chain actually snapping.
Deluded 😂
@@sneekerukagree. We specialise in Rover 75's with the M47 engine in. Some have done over 500k miles on the original lump. N47 and engines since are PANTS ⚠️
Your mate will have to stomach it James. Your not a charity and there to make money.
I wouldn't pay a dime towards that.
I would be careful with Warranty Wise. I bought a car from BCA the turbo went a year later at 70K. Full service history, they said it's wear'n'tear...They also don't cover known issues like BMW swirls flaps & timing chains, Porsche IMS, RMS, bore scoring they class those as manufacturing defects...
Unfortunately turbos are for sure fair wear n tear at 70k not an unexpected breakage. I don't think we would be able to afford to buy the warranty they sold that was guaranteed to cover everything
With friends like that id hate to see how an enemy would go on with you
It's his car now so his responsibility for good or bad