Why I'm Selling my Sub 37 // Long Term Impressions and Complaints
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- Опубліковано 5 вер 2024
- Hope to do a few more of these, had sold a few things since I started working on this whole UA-cam thing and always felt like I was missing an opportunity any time I sold something without getting my thoughts out there. Like I started a conversation in my head, but never shared it.
So, here we have the beginning of a new series. Whenever I have a piece of gear getting sold, I'll just sit down and get my thoughts out there.
I realize its kind of boring to conclude with "its expensive", even in part, but it would be unrealistic for me or most people to ignore that factor.
And on reflecting on my mod matrix complaints, I felt like I was being to harsh on a keyboard from 2014, so I made sure other stuff available at that point had comprehensive mod matrices and they do, so I think it stands.
Considering doing a little patch pack for the Sub 37 before I let it go, and I've been pondering a blindfolded, " Does 'the Moog sound' actually mean anything " video, I'll have to count my pennies and do that before I let the mf'er go.
ive had my sub 37 for 5 years and i kiss it goodnight every night. its the gift that keeps giving, best purchase of my life
Glad it fits for you!
Hope it has a nice little pillow. lol
I've been on the fence about getting one for the last couple years now. I'm wondering how well it would pair up and get along with my MPC X.
I prefer using my MPC X in standalone mode and would continue to use the sequencing of the MPC X but would love all the sound design and
what something like the sub 37 has to offer. I've been using synthesizers on DAWS for 20 years, but have never used any hardware like the 37.
@@Mista808 if you have the money definitely get one.
Totally agree on on the 2 mod bus limitation. I replaced my sub 37 with a subsequent CV (for other reasons). That gave me a couple of extra mod busses by looping CV out to CV in (eg aftertouch and velocity) You can do the same with a simple MIDI to CV converter. I wish they included a couple of extra busses in the menu but this workaround expands the synth in a really nice way. (Which is 100% patch recallable)
All fair points here. Great video Jorb. Youve got a lot of synths and its understandable to have your preferences. I feel like the Sub 37 is the Moog to have for those who dont have a bunch of synths already. I have a Sequential Take 5(which i love), but im also in love with the Moog sound for monos. I kept a friend's Sub25 for a few weeks not long ago and man its just amazing. Presets are a necessity for me. Thats just the case, so i feel the Sub25 and 37 are the absolute bee's knees for the Moog sound. Thunderous bass, glorious vibey mono leads. I do love the Grandmother and Matriarch, but the Sub37 has presets, its def going to end up in my studio before long.
Really enjoy your videos and commentary!
Great video. I like how you spent the first half showing things it's good at. I love my Sub 37. I overcome part of the mod bus limitation by putting an expression pedal on filter cutoff. I have made a few patches that modulate pitch, filter, and wave form at the same time. Usually pitch and filter in opposite directions. Normally I just use pretty simple patches. When I play live I really appreciate how stable the tuning is.
I'm glad this old video is still bringing use...
I am considering a redux, i do actually still have it...lol
@@JorbLovesGear do it man, be cool to know why you changed your mind
Yeah, would be super interested too
Also sold my Sub-37. Your niggles were spot on. The pitch mod amount sensitivity always seemed weird to me. Another thing which bugged me was the clock sync. There were so many subtle gradations of triplets and dotted notes that there was no easy way to tell what your clock was latching onto. Of course the whole point is "whatever sounds good" but I'd often find it strangely difficult just to get a simple 16th note sync. And like you I found I was only using it for a very narrow range of sounds - in my case massive distorting drone bass - which I absolutely loved - but for the investment not a great return. That said, I do miss it, much more than any other synth I've sold.
What about Voyager?
This is a cool take for sure, but I’d never sell my Sub 37. Thanks for posting
Cheers! If it had even two more mod buses, I would be all over it.
Frankly, if I was playing live more and was playing with sequences, it would be tough to move on.
Totally agree! I will keep it for life!!
In the 2 MOD if you hold the button in the middle of the preprogrammed choices, osc 1, osc 2, osc 1 and 2, lfo 1, ... and you move anther another button, the lfo will modulate it.
As for the controller 100%, it can be changed much faster by turning the Tune button instead.
These are both good tips, can't believe it took like 10 months for someone to comment it.
Lol thank you
The modulation buses and the duophonic mode are antiquated designs, but the sound is all that matters and its really really good :)
Sound is most important, definitely agree.
I learned and understood more my Sub37 by listening what you don’t like it for :)
Jorb, I sold mine after I got a pro 3. I mostly used the sub 37 is a rich and distinct sounding bread and butter mono even tho I have a really old synth that fits that role better I found myself in love with the controls on the sub 37. The modulation was great for rhythmic stuff and the arpeggiator is also killer combined with the pitch slew. I still miss the sub 37 from time to time but the pro 3 goes where it could go and further still, but the controls (knobs and buttons) and raw sound of the sub 37 are superior to me. So, your experience is right on and it’s not just you. Oh yeah, the sub 37 sequencer labeling/functioning was too goofy and cumbersome to be easily useful beyond 16 notes. Thanks for the vid!
How do you think the Low End of the Pro3 compares to the Pro 3?
@@cronenbergj They are both killer. The sub37 has a buttery warmth when just slightly driven 11-12 o’clock in the mixer. But the warm saturation continues all the way to 2 then more overdrivie. The pro 3 can get to warm satch that way too but adds more overdrive meatiness. Across 1 or more oscs the sub37 low end was more coherent and the pro 3s is wilder.
I had the Sub37. Sold it which was a big mistake. A few weeks later I had to buy a Subsequent37. I think some people love a synth and others don't. Nowadays there are many great options if you don't like a particular synth. Keep the GAS going!
Very true, so many options it's really easy to do a bit of research and land on another strong option.
sorry can someone tell me the diff between sub37 and subsequent37?
Why would you sell it? Elvis kept everything he owned or gave it away
@@ramencurry6672 for money
As someone who doesn't have a collection of dream gear, the subsequent 37 will have to do. And it works fine for my first exposure to moog monosynth ownership.
I love my Subsequent 37. As you said, the sounds are there, the features are amazing (automated control of every parameter over MIDI?! Both ways?!), and it looks & feels just super nice. As a sound designer, however, by far the most bitter pill to swallow with the ‘37 is its absolutely anæmic modulation and routing. Which is extra bizarre coming from the originators of “modulate anything with anything”!
So why do I keep mine? Call it the “fallboard factor”; for _commercial purposes_ , I want to have a variety of recognisable synth names and high-end gear. I get enough use out of the ‘37 to justify it for myself (which honestly doesn’t take much 😂) but its real “excusable” value is in bringing that magic Moog name into my studio space for a reasonable price. In fact, it might just be the _cheapest_ synth in the pile! But don’t tell my clients! 😅
I had one for about a year and then got into eurorack and went with an AJH Minimod System to start, which is an amazing Model D clone. So much so that it made the Sub 37 sound small in comparison, so I ended up selling it. Still miss the keyboard and ease of use.
It’s twice the price
Bought it in '18, still learning in '22, and hope to keep learning for years to come :) I hear you well Jorb! My stays a gem in my studio, though not alone there. And its the Subsequent 37 CV version ... never connected CV out yet as well LOL but it will be a day!
Yooo go crazy with the CV thats such a cool option
@@JorbLovesGear Simply had nothing to connect at first, ran out music gear ducats. then collected more dukats … and 37 CV will get his wire tentacles reaching out to Buchla Easel 208C :D
I'll keep mine, until I can leave it as a trade-in when I buy the Moog One.. I use the Eventide Space with the Sub 37, really makes some freak-out sounds..
I returned my Sub 37 two weeks after I got it. It sounds phenomenal but the layout was too challenging for me. Besides, I A/B’d it with my Juno 106 and the 106 kept winning. Go figure.
It does bass sounds well too, totally agree
I sold my Sub37. It was fun and sounded sick playing it alone. But I could never fit it happily in a mix when recording. I switched to a Slim Phatty, and for whatever reason that fits in the mix every time.
I feel that. It always felt like a lot work to fit any sub37 in the mix. I ended up having a weird love-hate relationship with it and sold it
It's absolutely stunning looking though... I mean.. that's not really justifying 1.5K pricetag... but it is beautifulll :D
It feels like sitting in a fighter jet, it really is sick. lol
I agree about the mod bus limitation and I've considered selling it for other gear before but I love it's particular sound. I've used it on allot of tracks and when I recreate those patches on other monos, especially those with paraphony, it's never quite the same. I just got an Odyssey and I might like it's sound a bit better too but I need patch memory for playing live.
That is a big part of it, the presets. If I was playing live, and had reason to quickly switch between patches, what an excellent keyboard for that.
Pro 3. 😎👍🏼👍🏼
Love your Vids, one gripe - could you turn it up though as the adverts are a lot louder.
Would the little phatty work better as it’s simpler?
I had a Roland sh-2 which was my favourite mono, so limited but so fast
I've gotten a bit better with audio! Although, I have had noise trouble with camera audio recently..
My issues aren't so much that its complex, but that it's options aren't implemented in a way that works for me.
I prefer the extra controls on the sub 37
I've always preferred the interface and sound of the (korg-reissued) Odyssey. . .I love its signal flow, and its expanded sonic capabilities.
Yes! I really love mine, still deciding on the right way to share some thoughts & discussion in a video though.
Cheers!
@@JorbLovesGear Have you tried the Moog Grandmother? If you like dialing in your own sound on the KARP and you know how to use the Sub37 then the Grandmother could be the best of both worlds. I have a Sub37 and a KARP Odyssey as well. The first time I tried using the Grandmother in the store I was up and around it dialing in sounds and then sequencing it like I've had it for years. The fact that it's semi modular means that some of the things you don't like about the Sub37 could be solved using a modular work around. It's cheaper than the Sub37 too.
I played one in a shop a while ago! And I played the matriarch at a convention, what a keyboard.
Great points, I do love the practice of patching stuff with modular/ semi modular. And that would certainly fix my modulation complaints.
Part of me thinks I should have a mono synth with presets, as something to click through if I'm every doing a live set, but that might be a silly thing to focus on.
@@JorbLovesGear If you make a note of your patches and you practice you can dial them in then even for live sets. Herbie Hancock had to with his ARP so why not? The Mini Moog didn't come with presets either so you either have 3 in your rig preconfigured with the sounds you want like Rick Wakeman or you know to dial in your sounds pretty fast with practice, lol.
I was going to mention the Matriarch but due to it's price I left it out but yes certainly would be a welcome addition as a keeper for me if I could afford it. It needs warm up time as a true VCO analogue synth but once it's ready and in tune it's good and sounds great.
I got my Subsequent 37 and hard case for $700, so I will keep it for it’s sound, limited as it is.
You should consider the *Arturia Matrixbrute* perhaps the most powerful Monophonic/Paraphonic synth.
I certainly have! Especially now, with poly brute out more used ones are cropping up. Very tempting...
Arturia has absolutely ZERO customer service and pretty poor build quality. My first 2 synths were arturias. Ill never buy another.
you can adjust pitch modulation amount by using the modulation wheel to scale the modulation range
Yup! But if im using the modwheel for filter cutoff, or anything else, It's tough to get fine pitch adjustment
Have fun taking it to a gig, or moving it at all, too … lol
Do you still have it, Jorb! 😊 would love to hear more on it from you
I think these are all valid points. I am looking into a smaller, less feature packed mono synth for similar reasons. If I understand you correctly, the Grandmother has a similar issue where you’d have to give up an LFO if you want a 3rd oscillator. Did you replace it or are you still chugging along with the ARP Odyssey? What’s your go to mono now?
Have you tried the Roland SE-02? Yes, it is small and has small knobs BUT that is the only negative thing I have to say about it. It is a fantastic sounding monosynth with patch memory at a crazy price. Plus I replaced the knobs on it to some larger more usable knobs for ~$35
I've had my hands on one maybe 3 times, really cool in that form factor. I don't need something super tiny, though
Hi crazyhorse, what knobs did you replace with? I have an SE-02 that I like quite a bit but would love some bigger knobs on select params
DSI Mopho is a sleeper for sure. Way more bang for your buck even than the Pro3. Although Pro2 prices have probably made them worth a look too.
Pro 2 is often forgotten, such a cool synth
The coolest!@@JorbLovesGear
Yep this was always my biggest gripe with moog. Lack of features, poor modulation matrix methodology, limits experimental sound design. Though it's simple, moog is designed for more normal piano players not synth nerd sound designers and I think they stick to that market well for stage keyboardist in bands.
i love it! you just sold me on a SUBsequent37! thanks!
I bought a Moog Source in the 90’s and found it sounded like nothing else I’d ever heard. It’s capable of building shaking levels of bass through the right amp. Sure, the controls were limiting but I found it inspiring to see what I could wrestle out of it. I kept it and will likely never sell it. I feel the same way about my Subsequent37. It sounds amazing, especially through some pedals.
This is definitely a very limited synth. But I won't sell my Subsequent 37 because it's the special sauce. It's kind of indulgent but when I want to do some sound design to find something special, it's a must have. Or maybe I'm just stubbornly holding onto something that serves a very limited role.
Thank you. Nice video and an honest appraisal. 👏🏻
Love mine but I also love all the stuff that Hartmann / dbox has designed
I still have my Moog Little Phatty Tribute Edition.. I'd probably never sell it just because Moog only made 1200 of them. My goal is to someday own a Moog One. I really would like a poly synth
This video aged like fine wine!
the one i would never sell - my subsequent37. i love the formeshape, the often cited sweetspot and sound, the super intuitive layout. its just a beautiful instrument for me and a absolute classic. and i think the pricetag is super fair for what you get. it has its limits but somehow that also makes a character of a synth i guess. and the moog37 has lotsnlots of character. never gonna sell.
Thanks for your demo video-helped me decide to buy one!
Totally agree. Modulation on the Sub37 is terrible. The mod levels go from zero to too much pretty much out of the notches for me. Subtle it isn't.
I much prefer my Arp Oddy.
Indeed! Wish it could work for me, but off it goes.
Did they fix/adjust these abrupt controls issues on the Sebsequents … or was it mainly the very dark sound that they ‘fixed’ … ?
Never used one. Sold my SUb37 and got a Pro-3. Far superior.@@kierenmoore3236
video volume is really, really low! Could not hear anything.
I've gotten better! (but i still do actively have issues with my audio.)
Hm I have similar reservations about my Sub 37. Thing is I'm not sure about an alternative - the performance flexibility of the layout is huge and patch memory is a must in that context. I use it 90% of the time for bass patches and it gives me a lot of detailed control for that but it is expensive, inflexible and unwieldy compared to many other synths with way fewer features (eg. my JU06). I have considered getting a poly synth as an alternative but I'm not sure which poly could give me the same control for bass performance as the Sub. (also, would be nice to have onboard options to better control the sub range - with 808s being a staple of pop music atm I always use it with a bass EQ pedal)
I have a Sub 37, but I find that the Prophet 6 can also do great bass sounds too
did you give the grandmother a shot?
Rev2
Pro 3 👑
My most immediate and fun analog synth at the moment is probably the Grandmother. It has that Moog sound, is super immediate, no messing with menus (no presets either though) and the filter actually opens up all the way (unlike the sub 37). The grandmother invites experimentation, and it's just heaps of fun. It doesn't have everything, but for me, it has what it needs for most (monophonic) purposes.
I also had the Mopho Keyboard, and while it looks super fun and inviting, actually programming sounds on it was more of a hassle that I thought it would be. Still not a bad synth, but since I also have the Rev 2, I guess it became a bit redundant so I sold it.
I guess we live in great times when for about 300 bucks you can buy a completely new clone of a classic such as the Pro one, or even a minimoog. I kindof have to stop myself from getting all these Behringer clones, because I'm running out of space, and I'm not sure what I'm going to do with all that stuff beyond what I'm already doing with my current gear. I don't think there's any sound I can think of that I can't get out of my current setup.
Anyway.. cool video, and good luck with whatever replaced your Sub 37 :)
Grandmother & matriarch are really awesome, I am watching in case they come up for good deals. Lol
Mopho is a huge pain to program, honestly. No replacement for sure yet! Maybe just using my eurorack more.
Cheers!
Its a great synth, but there are many good options as well. :)
I'm not gonna lie, while the sub is a beautiful synth, it really doesn't do it for me either. That said, definitely not selling it. Keeping it because I'm 90 percent sure that out of everything in production today, the sub will be the next "vintage mini-moog" kind of synth. You know, the one that sells for ten grand because some idiot just has to have it. So yeah, definitely keeping my cash cow haha
my complaint is the audio on this video is low, i can barely hear it on laptop speakers
It is, apologies!
I've gotten better since
You don't seem to be a modular guy but if you can get a good deal on Matriarch (not the Grandmother) you should definitely try it.
would love to try one
The very first key/sound in this vid.. .did anyone else got the Terminator 1 vibe??? :D
I think you are trying to make a analog synth into a digital synth. Just go digital and you will never be limited and leave the analog stuff for the funksters. When you sell it you will miss it because it's not the sub 37 it's you we love it I can't wait to buy one.
I think there's plenty of analog synths with more flexible modulation routing, and I do quite like the sounds of analog gear.
Get a Pro 3 🥰 - seriously
Come on, when Moog put out that video in 2015 saying it was "like a well-specified, tiny, modular system," eurorack awareness was a fraction of what it was to become later on, I think it holds up alright . But I agree that the modulation routing succeeds in being confusing and unintuitive, especially when LFO is deactivated by either the mod wheel position or the "control" button.
Hey Jorb. Enjoy the content. It is easily the most relatable (and therefore best) synth channel.
Hoping you might have an opinion:
I have recently got a hydrasynth desktop, which I traded for a digitakt, and paid $500 for.
This is covering a lot of the territory of my digitone now. It is a little more suited to my style as well.
Anyways, I have an offer for a trade for my LNIB grandmother (I paid $900CAD) and the digitone ($725CAD), for a mint sub37 tribute with Thomann music fitted hardcase and decksaver. Value wise, seems pretty even. I have the digitone listed for $800, and the Grandmother for $1100.
Am I being dumb? That’s a dumb deal? I have so many synths at this point, I am having a hard time playing survivor island.
Cheers, appreciate that.
That's really up to your needs, if the Sub 37 seems like it would work for you, or you're after a huge mono with presets, then let it rip.
But since you've got a moog mono already you may consider that ground already covered.
I agreed .....
Makes interesting sound but to play the music is not ???
never heard a word u said
Im working on that! Hope to be getting better still.
Moog subs do not sound great to me. Grandmother is superior sound wise. Matriarch is next level.
Totally agree!!
one of the best Monosynths out there...you will regret it...
Been trying out things to replace it, mopho keyboard & bass station.. So far not worried!
@@JorbLovesGear so are you saying that the LFOs can’t be both used from the mod bus and matrix? Like if mod 1 uses LFO 1 and Mod 2 uses LFO 2 then the rest of the mod slots for source options can’t include the LFO? Just trying to understand the complaint. I have an Sub37 too that I’ve been off/on about for similar reasons.
@@shawnsaul7759 Maybe.. The way I would say it, each mod bus can only have one source, and if you want to use something other than the lfo, you give up your use of that lfo.
Velocity OR LFO 1
Always on OR LFO 1
Aftertouch OR LFO 1
@@JorbLovesGear is in a way the Sub37 needs the LFO structure to be separate from the mod matrix source since using others mod matrix sources cancels out the availability of the LFOs? That does seem very limiting. Have you thought about the Sequential Pro 3?
@@shawnsaul7759 I would prefer that!
It's certainly on my radar, I'm going through a sort of mono synth identity crisis right now. Lol
Trying make a DSI mopho keyboard work for me right now.
If your using this thing for only bass, then by all means sell it because you’re completely wasting its potential.
The gain staging, overdrive and filter slopes alone are worth the price. The Subsequent 37 is a better choice with a better keyboard and more headroom. It’s a giant sweet spot.
The Mother 32 is a bore. You cannot overdrive the filter or gain stage like the Minitaur or Subsequent line. And you’re stuck like Chuck with one VCO. It’s a bleep-blop machine for Euro(c)rackers.
I have a Novation Bass Station 2, sounds great for the price, under $400 not just Bass.
I’ve had the Sub37 for a couple of months and overall really love it. I play live so the presets are a must have for me. I totally agree with you on the pitch mod being waaaay to sensitive. I like to add just a small amount of pitch mod just to give the waveform a little movement and it is very hard to do ! Good video do you regret selling it ?
Cheers thank you!
I've still got it for now, there's one more video idea where it would be essential.
Then it, the mother 32, and the mg-1 all get sold!
De-moogifying. Lol
Hit the CONTROLLER button and set the CNTRL4 amount to 50%. This should reduce the amount of modulation and make the Pitch control more usable.
@@jrlx86 thank you I will try that
Hey, I just sold my Subsequent37 for many of the reasons you mentioned. I felt at the end that if I kept it I would just be a collector. It was so cool to play it, I really enjoyed the experience, but eventually its capabilities were pretty basic (limiting, as you said) and it was just not worth it. For now I replaced it with Novation Peak which seems to have way more (+effects, +poly, +ring mod, etc.) for less of a price.
Im SO interested in the peak. I played one & the summit at knobcon and they blew me away. I've got to move some polys first though.
Your peak end up being a jack of all trades? What does it get used for?
@@JorbLovesGear I feel like I can use it for the same stuff as the Sub37, and much more. Pads, leads, bass - I feel I can make all of it work. But Peak has a bit of a different workflow, at least when I play it. With Moog I could really create the sound as I played, much more was accessible hands-on. With Peak, even though there's a lot of knobs and sliders, I find myself creating a preset first and then modifying it as I play rather than creating it while playing. Maybe it's also because it has that much more options or maybe I am/was just more used to Sub37 and I'm just learning the Peak.
Also, Peak has only a basic arp and no sequencer so I need to actually learn two products (I also got Novation SL Mk3) to fully compare it with Sub37. But that is the direction I think it will go, for now.
No regrets towards Sub37 though, it was a great experience, only I found myself needing something more.
I've also sold the sub37 for the peak a while ago. The peak will never leave my house again. To me it's a swiss army knife of synthesizers. I did love the sub37 but i wanted something more complex. Now the Udo super6 is on my wishlist. That thing sounds awesome aswell
@@Matt-Horizon I would love a super six. Hope some end up used before too long. But don't see it happening too soon
I got a Summit, Novation made an instant classic with the peak/summit imo.
The volume of this video is too low although too loud at time.
I've gotten better!
Your complaint about the modulation limits seems justified.
If this synth is just about the sound like everyone says, they could have removed some useless features and dropped the price.
I agree! I see things like tuning the beat frequency as 'oh the panel could be symmetrical with one more knob' but maybe thats just me being real picky.
Great points, did you end up selling it?
I did! Long gone
I hope you bought a good mic with the selling ;)
I literally didn't hahahaaa
I had the Sub37 CV (the silver one) and sold it for a Matriarch. I regretted it immensely. The Sub37 series murders the sound of the Matriarch in my opinion. If you want proof, do and Instagram search for "#moogmatriarch" and scroll thru performances for 10 minutes or so and you'll start to get a vibe of how it sounds. It has a honky sound that is nowhere near as rich as the Sub37 series. Every Matriarch performance has that strange taste or sonic fundamental that it never strays too far from. I'm very experienced at sa-subtractive synthesis and CV, and I simply got ear fatigue from the timbre of the Matriarch. The Sub37 is a gloriously fat machine. Just my personal experience - not gospel.
I’ve got both, yeah they are very different, matriarch is smoother and the way the osc distort and blend in the mixer section is different to the Sub37. Sub37 has a more cutting sound. I do prefer the matriarch though
I have both. The Subsequent 37 despite the odd implementation of the mod bus is glorious. The looping envelopes, hold/delay options in the envelopes, ability to sync everything make this a fantastic machine.
The Matriarch does sound old or “vintage” (a more positive view). The Matriarch always sounds like you’re stuck in 1971.
The Subsequent has a more modern/flexible sound.
That’s my two cents anyways.
Matriarch, all day long …
Subsequent sounds better than the OG Sub, at least …
3:20 a darned expensive TD-3!
😂🤣 Very true
@@JorbLovesGear any basic tips for patching a 303 style sound with a mono synth like the sub 37?
@@sudbenzer6603 if your presets are intact, find one of the patches it ships with and start there. They all include acid
@@sudbenzer6603 otherwise, one oscillator, filter envelope just snappy decay, super high resonance, multidrive
@@JorbLovesGear much appreciation! :)
i luv sound of this its a syn but i really want the deepmind 12D ..anyone used 12D?
i have a ton of deepmind content
@@JorbLovesGearthanks .. I'll look at your other content
You should replace it with a MFB Dominion 1 :)
Have you considered the sequential Pro3?
I have the 37 and Pro3. If I had to sell one I’d definitely sell the 37 as the pro 3 is much more versatile.
I'm certainly impressed by them! But I'll likely try something less expensive first
Even handed review. Mines on the FedEx truck right now.
on the way to you, or on its way out? lol
@@JorbLovesGear coming. I got it yesterday, set it up this morning
@@bulldogstudio1 how is it, meeting your expectations?
@@JorbLovesGear day one…sounds fantastic, easy to set up and synch with my daw.I like it. Honestly it was an impulse buy. Moog mystique. The sounds are superb. I can see why you don’t want to shlep it to gigs.
@@bulldogstudio1 yeah it's a monster. Especially in the big ass case.
I just rented it out to a band as backline, and even carrying it & the case to and from my car a few times, I was stuck thinking about the bass station 2. Lmao
What camera do you use for your videos?
This would've been a Canon t5i.
Can't remember if I was using my sigma art 18/35 by this point, I think I wasn't, this looks like the kit lens.
Newer videos look better!
My sub37 aint goin anywhere!
Get a voyager for real pure FATNESS that Moog is known for and forget all others even Moog modern synths, my Voyager Old School is a great example of Moog synth sound can do.
If you like the sound for bass but it doesn’t go far enough for other sounds have you looked into the Minitaur?
I've seen that and the sirin as interesting, but the sparse control surface kind of puts me off. If I happen across a good deal I would definitely try one though!
@@JorbLovesGear trust me my dude, if you're looking for the specific function of a bass synth, the minitaur is unparalleled. Such a fat sound. Outshines my sub 37 every single time. Of course if you're looking for a flexible sound design machine it's a no go. But I just use it when I want a saw/square bass patch (which I'm sure you would agree, is actually quite frequent)
@Jorb Have had one for a year and some now, it does a standard fat bass sound well with enough flexibility to dial in a variety of useful bass sounds. Only thing really missing for me is some kind of drive circuit (ala Grand Mother) to saturate and compress the sound, but bang for buck I've been happy with it.
These are mostly the reasons I spent half as much on the subsequent 25.
Don't do it bro.
Haven't yet! But I do still plan on moving it on.
@@JorbLovesGear I don't have one, but I really, really like Stephen Bodzin. I was able to replicate a few of his patches with the Behringer K2, and the minilogue.
Did you sell it?
Not yet! I've got one more video I would like shoot with it, and then it's up on reverb.
But can justify 3k on a Juno106. You crazy.
I got it for 500 and fixed it up 🤷
Is that a 90s squier musicmaster bass?
Good eye! 😂 I'm looking for a nice new pickup for it
@@JorbLovesGear yeah my eye always catches gear lol, i love the 90s vista series, it’s so underrated, musicmaster basses in general are just so underrated
@@riverscale9158 absolutely.
I'm a big fan of short scale basses, and these rip
Bass station 2
ive heard of it
@@JorbLovesGear sorry I know it's a pretty obscure model you may have put to the side 🤣😅
I just scored a korg X5D for like about $125 in your money.
they should call it Mid 37..
GOT EM
LOL, how much did you pay for that Juno 106?
500$
Bought broken and repaired
Awesome. I paid $700 for my Jupiter 6 way back when nobody wanted analog. @@JorbLovesGear
Vocals need to be louder
Sup Jorb
Just hangin, you know how it be.
Oh okay, I won’t buy one now 😂
He sold it to buy 2 more 😂 #StrongWorkYo
LOL sold it to (eventually) buy a pro 3
But you love gear....😭
smh i lied
@@JorbLovesGear i don't know who i can trust anymore now...
There will always be new gear, but also the stuff from the 70s, 80's is still as good as or even better than everything nrw, according to some people. On the other hand always looking for the next release to save their souls. There is nothing behind it, just nothingness.
There are so many awsome synth you can get used way cheaper. There are hated synth which you get get for nothing. And also new famous and beloved ones.
No matter what. Noone can you say what you should buy. Often people don't know themselves. They are lost. Lost in the puplic opinion. Lost in commercials. Lost social media. Lost in demos. Lost in technical terms. Just lost.
The best advice.
Make yourself free of everything try a synth out somewhere and listen to your feelings. And don't let anyone tell you that your feelings are false because your choice isn't analog, it doesn't sound good, the ui is bad, you can get something better or you will miss something.
If you don't know what you want, noone does.
Yes, thats difficult but the only way to go. Period!
I’ll trade you for my novation peak lol 😂
Long gone, would've done it lol
I agree with you.. I have owned or do own almost every analog synth from 1980 to the present.. moog is overpriced and boring in my opinion.. the sub 37 might be one of their best but moog is about as premium as Nike or iPhone.. I am sure the soyboy fanboys in the comments will disagree but that's also hilarious..
What synth is the best for bass sound's in your opinion?
@@jazzbassi ..when you say bass do you mean for synth bass lines or to make bass kick drum sounds
@@normdurkin6425 bass lines
@@jazzbassi .. for a very simple single oscillator it's hard to beat anything with a 3340 chip CEM3340, AS3340.. the korg minilogue on mono mode with the sub bass turned up.. DSI Morpho (used) is great for the price.. DSI Prophet can run 4 oscillators while on Layors A and B.. I also have a bunch of eurorack oscillators that are extremely nice..
Sound is sterile
Lmao complaints of a synth nerd
That's the title of my memoir
You have too much time on your hands, LOL
Bro you're watching the video, worry about your own choices 😂🤣😂
Try a VA software synth that has flexible modulation routing. It's cheaper, allows multiple instances, instant recall, etc. Hardware synths are a waste of time and money in 2022.
GET TO THE FRIGGIN POINT ALREADY!
Too much laughing and apologizing.
Straight up you are a workman blaming his tools. Talk about 3rd world problems.
🤔Because I know a tool that costs 1/6th as much could get the job done?
Extremely limited modulation, not as advertised at all. Too tightly sprung keys, makes a lot of mechanical noise. Pitch wheel too fiercely sprung, making the outer regions unnecessarily awkward to control. The pitch wheel doesn't seem to be able to do much else than bend pitch. Pitch/filter mod depth not properly controllable. Led's are too bright and are poor help in navigating the panel, especially with those wee buttons. Feedback and filter drive are not loudness - compensated, useless in performance. No cv/gate outs? From "the people who started it all"... Too expensive. For the price, Moog could have added a spring reverb, there's plenty of room in the back of the instrument. Bugs. Poor quality control. This is my second sub37 to have a failure (headphone output silent). Finally, I wish Moog would quit with their incredibly woke, knee - bending, diversity, inclusive, etc.. image. Make first - class instruments instead.
I'm finding myself in the similar boat, especially over time. At first I used every bit of it, but long term its more or less a glorified simple bass machine - it's super over kill for my particular practical use cases in the kind of tunes I make in my free time., I do enjoy patching stuff weird but in an actual track making context it's usually simple stuff, so its more or less 80% a toy 20% actually useful. Which would be fine I guess it if weren't so valuable and big.
When I take it to my friends house for some noodling sessions it's usually simple too. I got bored of the sequencer as well (and honestly a little annoyed with the dual button presses etc.) I guess tastes change over time, I'll probably put it in the cupboard for a while and see if I miss it. If I don't miss it I'll sell it and grab a minitaur or something, or maybe even a sub 25 if I can find a cheap one second hand as it strips out most of the extra stuff I don't need and saves a bit of space.
I do love the subs keybed and wheels though.