Check r/dontStickYourDickInCrazy But also... Kinda yeah, but what about Kelnacca? And sadly, yet conveniently, do we even know his thoughts on their mission there? Was he perhaps doing his best to make the most of their time there but struggling with it the most? It's super interesting that because he's a wookie and the writing and time limits panned out such that his views and feelings on things were not delved into like Chewbacca's, we actually have no clue... He probably feels the worst of them all since he almost killed Torbin. And as a Jedi, who is trained to manage affairs of the Force, even if the Coven made the decision to possess him (or whatever that was), wouldn't some part of him (and even Indara) feel guilty that the entire coven died for his release to take effect? Like... This episode just reeks of tragedy and sadness for me. I really thought there would be a political cover up but the Council was actually right. Things just spiralled so quickly.
@@DarthJarJar10 Well said DarthJarJar & Yes Scp it totally could have long lasting - effects 🙂 Beautiful Live Act Star Wars episode that i winded down with on last night in a dark room 🙂 7/10 for me & i'll add it later in couple websites. My The Acolyte S01 PT2 review goes to blog page week after S01 finale ✅
I was reminded very violently why i don't want to meet a angry Wookie in Close Quarters. And now i know why Han said, you want to let Chewie win in Episode 4.
Also the matrix vibes in this show are kind of funny, like every carrie anne moss does something dramatic we get that matrix stinger... and then when she enters the matrix and disconnects the entire coven. She was great in this episode though top notch acting, wish we''d seen more of her
Trinity was the main murderer. I think that is why Mae killed her first. But, I don’t think it was her intention to kill the entire Coven, any more than it was Sol’s intention when he tried to disappate the Smoke. Sol would not fight the other mother when he realized what happened. It was their bad luck in not understanding what they were dealing with. Jedi lack our omniscience./
That classic Trinity stoicism makes for an interesting Jedi master imo. Indara and Sol's tense dynamic kind of reminded me of Dooku and Windu (minus their difference in rank) in Tales.
@@GenerationTech I think she was the strongest in the group. And able to resist and fight back. Her clarity would have been more useful in an investigation into a Jedi's murder. I'm guessing someone realized her character was too well written to not be able to see through the deceptions and would have solved it all too quickly... For the sake of the mystery, she had to die first.
I think one problem is that the show is about a mystery that none of the characters is interested in solving. Mae, Sol, and the Jedi already know what happened, and Osha doesn't even know there is a mystery. That means that when the solution to that mystery is revealed to the audience, there is no corresponding story beat. The big reveal isn't part of the story.
Also remember the shows majority episode have been about circling around Qimir one way or another, as of right now if Qimir hadn't picked Mae as a potential apprentice then Mae and Osha plot line from Brendock kind of just fades off into the background. Maybe the final will establish he targeted Mae as an apprentice because of her being made from or are the vergence.... but that's just fan fiction at this point.
I guess it was all covered up and noone else knew (so far). Ki Adi Mundi was close to finding out but didn't because it wasn't his business. It could be how the Sith got the info to try to create a vergence in the force like the Chosen one.
My take on ep 7 was similar to but more positive than yours, but I’m not commenting to disagree. I continue to be grateful for the empathetic but incisive critical eye with which you view SW content. It’s what we need in these times. The discourse is dominated by the uncritical, the uninsightful, the unimaginative, and the unserious. Keep bringing the antithesis of these!
I feel like people would have attacked this show even if it was spectacular. This show isn’t amazing, but it’s not terrible either. I feel the mystery element of the show(not releasing everything at once) would have worked if this show didn’t have the fan base ready to kill it at a moments notice. Several shows are like that where the episodes don’t make sense by themselves but make sense put together
To me the show is like a 6 out of a 10. Not amazing but enjoyable. Some good acting and good charafters others not as much. Osha and mae i dont care as much about while jecki was cool qhen on screen and had an awesome fight with q'mir and q'mir has been very good. If the backstory was handled differently id raise my opinion on the show like if indara and kalnaka were paranoid about the coven and went crazy there but instead those 2 did nothing wrong really, torbin was spooked understandibly and sol was the one who came out looming way worse. Felt too safe story wise
You kind of have to blame Headland with her disrespect of the fans, the lore and certain members of society as a joke in her eyes. These type of people can be so hypocritical and in a way she deserves this. The show definitely isnt as inept or bad as has been stated though
@@isessogroup Headland is a true fan - going back to the West End Games game. What disrespect? Her additions to the lore are entirely consistent with what already existed and I have no clue what members of *our* society she’s shown any disrespect to, so generally I’m missing what you’re talking about.
@@davidalan528 so you perceive this unique form of bullying the show into the dirt just a temper tantrum? If youre not aware then do your research... I certainly have really liked alot of things she has brought to the table... yet i find myself at times watching the show wondering if the writers actually know how human interaction and conversation works (much like Ahsoka)... Being oblivious to her slights against "nerds" and Star Wars fans is something thats very easy to find out about, even before responding to what I stated...
This episode is attempting to set up Sol as the mirror to Qimir, with both seeking an apprentice despite outside resistance. They even both lose their acolyte/padawan on the same night.
@@Lobsterwithinternet You mean, individuals with their own identities that are sometimes contradictory with the organizations they belong to? Like what we see in real life, ranging from bad cops and predatory priests to drug dealers who rebuild their communities? The prequels did the exact same thing with the Jedi.
@@newscoulomb3705 Except that these are psychic warrior monks trained from childhood. You can't really just get a degree in Jedi Studies and join the Jedi Order. They shouldn't be acting like they’re just some random schlubs off the street dressed as Jedi. You don't see the prequel Jedi acting anything like this. They have their own personalities but they all act like ascetics who aren't like normal people.
What surprised me about this episode was how much it humanized the establishment, specifically through Indara. She starts off as this seemingly aloof, detached figure - a stereotypical Jedi - but she shows that the establishment gets established for reasons that aren't necessarily evil. Indara had to be the mother to this dysfunctional family here, reining in their impulses and doing damage control when she could not. She seems harsh. She certainly could have been less high and mighty in her actions. Dreaming a bit bigger, there was probably a more enlightened path that could have led to a greater understanding of the Force by communication. But in hindsight, the Brendock 4 would have been better off following her lead, imperfect though their apparent options were. Maybe these actions seem contrived and inappropriate to some viewers of the show, but I appreciate the portrayal. These characters weren't Chosen Ones, legendary masters, or diabolical masterminds; they were the day shift and their manager panicking when they found a bomb in the mail.
Its weord because the writing in this episode makes me like her more and makes her a better character overall but at the same time it makes the backstory end up being too safe. Too many questions after ep 3 and they werent answered with interesting ideas and the one who ended up being a worse person in my eyes is the character we have to follow to the last episode in sol. If indara torbin and kalnaka got spooked and resulted in the fire and death of the witched kore idirectly even on accident and sol saves osha at least i think itd add more weight to the eventual conflict in the last epidode
You've said it better than I ever could! The hesitation and questioning I felt her character portrayed when faced with so many unknowns (respecting a different culture vs concern over the safety of girls) really spoke to me
My dad’s dealing with cancer and my mom had a stroke and is bed ridden.. Been helping as much as possible, but this video has some key philosophical points that hit home in a really strong way. Incredibly well spoken.
During the whole episode it seemed like the Jedi did a poor job of de-escalating the situation. They broke into the building not once, but twice. Korril is a bit of a hardliner but at the same time I couldn't really blame her for her attitude when the Jedi came the second time unannounced. I think a simple door knock would have sufficed. Indara also should have taken her team off Brendock after hearing the high council. Her team was compromised and they weren't going to do anything constructive there anymore, at least not immediately. One Jedi Knight is having attachment issues and her own Padawan is having emotional issues and had his mind invaded. I think it would be the time to take a step away and regroup and as a result avoid members of the team doing rash stuff.
To me it seemed like Aniseya's hex was still lingering in Torbin's mind. She found his weak point and the traces of magic festered in him after Aniseya relinquished her control over him in the first encounter. Torbin seemed different after the incident, so him running off after the M-count reveal didn't feel too far fetched
He probably got pretty scared and wanted to leave the planet the faster he could, while filling that he disappointed his master That could explain his irrational behavior
@@marcsoren7 I understood, that he's a Jedi in Training, fighting boredom, simply being a Teenager with hormones going haywire and to top it of a scary witch was in it's head. Then it was in the middle of the night... yeah, he was in his own horror movie and wanted to get out of there. Pretty relatable.
I feel like I needed more explanation for the impulsiveness. I mean Aniseya warped his mind even though her intention was them to leave? If it wasn’t for her actions then maybe Torbin would’ve just stayed away. On top of that, you’d think after sigh a frightful encounter he wouldn’t confront the same witches ALONE…
There's a Padawan in the Old Republic books that feels the same way as Torbin. Except he doesn't like leaving Coruscant for missions. When his Master took an assignment to the Starlight Beacon, he was highly upset and sought to stay on Coruscant. So much so he tried going to the High Council and get reassigned a new Master that doesn't leave the planet. Torbin reminded me of him. Except he also wanted adventure, through that he sought a higher purpose in his assignment. I rather liked the episode. The entire series reminds me more of The Old Republic era. *Quick edit* : check Heavy Spoilers. Just got through checking theirs out, and it actually explores a few deeper themes and story beats.
Everyone was telling me this show was going to make the Jedi look evil, but any wrongdoing here just reflects on the Brendock 4 in my opinion. More than anything this show paints a positive light on the "no attachments" rule the Jedi have, which by the way tends to get crapped on in most other Star Wars content. Here the Jedi council itself tries to avoid this tragedy, but the tragedy occurs due to the emotional imbalance of Sol. And even Sol didn't have evil intentions... it was an unfortunate tragedy that he could have avoided if he followed the Jedi code. I'm sad for Sol because I like his character and he doesn't look the greatest here, but if you're pro-Jedi I think this show is actually a great advertisement for the Jedi code.
@Kief553 I think that people who thought this show would make the Jedi look evil weren't ready for nuance. It seemed to me that the show was about flaws, wherever they were found.
@@wkadams88you are right, a majority of starwars fans lack nuance. They see everything in the lens of good vs evil. This show wasn’t about making the Jedi seem just as bad as the Sith. But it was a way to expose their flaws, and why they made the rules to counter them. The Brendokk incident shows us why the rules against emotional attachment exist, sol, and even a non Jedi like korill proved that people will be pushed to do horrible things in the pursuit of their attachments. And that’s why the rule was made, because this wasn’t the first time someone’s love for another in starwars indirectly caused the death of others, it happens so much and so often the Jedi have to to have a rule specifically to control a person’s attachments.
I think this opinion that the show's purpose was to paint the Jedi as just as bad, if not worse than the witches and the Sith, came from articles quoting the creator. By the time the show started people were primed to find evidence of it. And now with this reveal they'll need to double down instead of taking away the lessons.
@@wkadams88 The show runner, Leslye Headland, was going around saying that the show was going to portray the Jedi very negatively. I agree, a lot of people lack nuance and just expected 'Evil Jedi'
@ChrisMcCarroll I would argue that it has done so. So far, we've seen cover-ups, manslaughter, and gross incompetence, at a minimum. This doesn't even go into the more complicated factor of the disconnect between the members of the Jedi Order itself. The show could have done way better at showing it, but the Jedi of the Acolyte are dangerously flawed. If the whole order is made of these little dysfunctional groups, it's no wonder they fell so easily to Palpatine. This organization was primed to unravel. I think part of the problem is the scale the audience expected. This is a more intimate story about a handful of people whose impact is mostly on each other, not the galaxy at large. The show needed to either explicitly show the wider impact of its implications for the galaxy or make its smaller scale more apparent to the audience before they pressed play. This show could be a lot better with some small tweaks to its layout, release schedule, and advertising.
All I can think of with that mining facility made out of steel an stone catching fire was "the cost-cutting corrupt Contractor industry of star wars claims more lives. I think more people have died in star wars from faulty construction materials than died from lightsabers at this point"
@@andrewhcit That an frickin guardrails. I mean, cmon! we've all seen the agility of captain Darth Frankenstein over there. All it's gonna take is one intern not putting up a wet floor sign and jimmy hate sand is gonna trip over himself on that cape he insists on wearing for "religious reasons". What if he accidentally pushes someone like grandpaw palpy into the engine core? What then? Insurance isn't gonna cover that.
This was another episode that made me think The Acolyte might have worked stronger as a movie. It wouldn't be a quick fix, but it might have eased the clunkier aspects of episodes like this.
This is accurate, it just feels like that in an 8 episode show having a full flashback in the penultimate episode is out of place. I have a feeling someone will make an edit online of the show into a film and it makes more sense just like how that one person did it for the obi-wan show.
I am not sure, one of the challenge with making this a movie is that you really have 3 main protagonist - Mae, Osha and Sol - and cutting stuff for the movie would requires to cut down on at least one of them otherwise you end up with a 3-hours movie and that just bad. But if you drop Mae you drop the assassination plot line and then suddenly the movie kind of fall apart. You'll have to restructure the bad guy - if Mae was the Sith then this could make sense so far but I don't know if that would have the same messages.
@OrionInSpace even if they did not want to do a movie.. I feel if they could cut into 6 episodes it would quite similar to Loki series in runtime which worked better. Its long enough to keep fans engaged as well as give them enough content to research the lore and speculate and mull on the hints
What made you think that? Everything here points to a talentless group of hacks doing a job that is way over their head. Doesn’t matter if a movie or a TV show. These people do not understand and are not able to create quality Star Wars material.
How are we not talking about Indara and Sol lying to the Council and a child and place the blame of the whole mess at the feet of Mae and her dead family?
@@taylormadealpha because we already knew that happened. What they actually did was nowhere near as bad as it should’ve been to justify Torbin and Kelnacca’s reactions. Indara’s character didn’t seem consistent. Overall I’m just no longer interested in that whole thing because I didn’t find the episode engaging. Good, we’re over it now, only thing left is to see Osha fall to the dark side over a guy she just met, kill Sol and probably Mae, and then we’ll see Vern look all pensive and say something like the scales have tipped or whatever.
@@Fireandbubbles like I said before, all we saw in this episode is what Sol thinks happened. We still don't know what Qimir and his master know, or what Mae's perspective of the story is. After everything we've seen, you're going to take Sol's word as an objective truth as to what happened on Brendok? Even if he means well, he's an emotional wreck and he's almost certainly not seeing everything from anyone's perspective other than the Jedi's. On top of that, he's been lying about it for 16 years. At a certain point, humans start buying into their own bullshit. There are still missing pieces to this puzzle out there. We didn't always KNOW Indara was a "follow the book-go to the Council-only when she feels like it-otherwise lie and deceive" type of Jedi. All we knew was something happened on Brendok and someone was lying. This conversation only has Jedi perspectives, Sol, Torbin and Indaras. Indara and Torbin are dead. Besides, who's to say what justifies someone feeling that guilty. Let's take Sol's story as 100% accurate; the whining and impulsiveness of Torbin directly resulted in everything that happened on Brendok, all those deaths are on his conscience. Idk about you but that's pretty terrible. I knew of a person who accidentally killed one person in a car accident and he was unable to live with himself. Scale that up to an entire civilization wiped out. For all we know, he might be telling himself he helped creators genocide.
@@Fireandbubbles Tobin’s childish behaviour and Sol’s fear resulted in a genocide with 2 survivors - idk if you participate in genocide and then blame it on the victims you should feel Torbin and Kalnacca’s level of guilt. What’s disturbing is Sol has been living his normal life this whole time.
@@AuntyKsTarot that wasn’t a genocide. It was a battle. The witches killed themselves when they gave their life force to someone like Koril to control. The Jedi screwed up, but that word is too big for what happened here.
@@taylormadealpha you still think we’re getting another perspective? There is one thirty minute episode left, unless they give us a longer episode, but I don’t believe they will. What we got is all we’re getting about Brendock.
as a test i roughly cut ep 3 and 7 together as an hour long episode and then watched it as a pilot before rewatching the stuff that takes place in the 'present', and it works much better in this order
I think the witches purposefully amplified Torbin's wish to go home by sending him there ever so briefly, so much so he couldn't control it, thinking this would make the Jedi just leave, not realizing the dynamic that was already in play and how that would impact Torbin's actions.
The problem with the writing is that they write things because the story needs it to happen, not because it makes sense for a character to do it. That's why we constantly get acts that seem very out of character.
@@HeartoftheWinter for example? Besides that, everything happens because the story needs it to happen, that's every book and movie and show in existence, they are all contrived. Luke never needed to destroy the death star because Luke isn't real, he exists solely as character to tell a story and he is the one to lead the rebellion to victory because the story wants it to be so. But please elaborate
This can be a valid point but maybe it you could give an example, it would help. It might also be a good idea to wait until the season ends. It feels to me like episode 7 explained a hang of a lot.
@@sleinadb fr, like when the force literally allows Luke to win in episode 4, do people not think that this is contrived too? The force commonly acts as literal contrivancy generator in star wars to make certain things happen for the story or the plot, and that's okay, that's not actually an issue. If we would run the script of star wars in a realistic and non "contrived" way, not only is there no shot the rebels would win but all the protagonists would be dead half way through the movie, like please. Guarantee you Luke chewie,han and Leia wouldn't have a chance to survive the shootout in the prison corridor let alone anyone win the space battle against a moon sized battle station lmfao.
I really liked that episode actually. True that there was not a big reveal but sometime that OK, it shows that things can fall apart despite good intention due to fear.
Yeah I like the whole flashback arc because of the level of depth, and nuance each character had, and I like that it wasn't 1 person who was wrong. Everybody was understandable in what they did. And it was just this unfortunate coming together and clashing of all the differences in character that caused this problem that might define the rest of the future of the Galaxy.
Honestly I did too. It was great and showed how everyone is so different from back then, how much growing up they had to do and how much Brendok changed them all. Maybe aside from Indara lol.
@@philippemarcil2004 I am not negative towards it, too. It was a solid. For me it was the weakest Episode, but not bad. I think the flashbacks would have worked better if we gotten them sprinkled over the whole series. Maybe 10 minutes right at the start of each episode? But that probably means we would need longer or more episodes. Wouldn't be against either.
@@kittenconsumer9960 because he feels guilty for the whole situation. He feels that none of that would've happened if he didn't act emotionally and took the speeder to the Coven.
There is a definite sense that there was someone who wrote the overarching story for the series and then a set of script writers who filled in the minute by minute details, and there is a definite skill gap between the two. For example where the story requires that something happens at the camp that causes Sol and Torbin to go to the witches base, the script has Torbin throwing a tantrum and Sol chasing after him. Or where the main story requires that the base ends up in flames and May gets blamed, the script has her literally set the entire base on fire with a single oil lamp. It's like the script was written in a caffeine-fueled haze the night before filming.
This episode shows how effective Jedi, and by extension Sith, training is. Random force cults can't fight Jedi, one Jedi can block attacks from 20 and another Jedi overpowered the entire cult and shut down their minds.
except when they don't like when the padawan desired so much to go home that he jeopardized the complete mission or when that other knight got possessed to the point that she could kill the others.
There is a great story to be told exploring just how powerful the Jedi are, and how that has effected the Jedi order. Why do they fight like it's a sparring match? Because honestly until they ran into another force user they can handle an entire platoon of soldiers single handedly without breaking a sweat. Why do they take force sensitive children? Because these children are born with the equivalent of a neucular weapon and have the potential to destroy entire worlds.
@@yiledute The Jedi are trained from infancy to be warriors at peace with killing. Their shadow form is vulnerable to lightsabers, It took the entire coven to control a Jedi and One Jedi overpowered the Power of Many.
@@kegorator1 The paradox is the Jedi make force users more lethal and dangerous with highly militarized training from infancy. Teenage padawan can block attacks from all, 20's knight instictively slays a witch in shadowform and the master can psychically kill an entire coven sharing power like it's no big deal.
So the "power of two" referred to by Qimir in the previous episode, I assumed was the Sith rule of two and/or to become the master of the Sith, but instead im thinking he covets the vergance of the twins. This is the power of two. I realised this listening to the lyrics of the song in the credits
I'm more sympathetic towards Torbin than most I think. Because I would hate to be stuck in the middle of nowhere with the same three people for two months doing mind numbing tasks I don't understand without time off.
@@Mr-Rinn Didn't Mother Aniseya curse Torbin with homesickness on steroids? Isn't that why he became consumed with getting home? Still not clear on that..
Why are Jedi even doing this? Shouldn’t it be left to survey crews? How many Jedi exist, exactly, in this era that they can spare them to do these jobs?
My headcannon is that the possession leaves a dark side taint. Torbin was meditating to cleanse himself, Kelnacca isolated himself and the madness was written on the walls.
For me the episode delivered. It continues to show how not really infallible the jedi actually are and how it lead to their destruction. They got involved in something they didn't understand, something they couldn't control, and instead of learning to live with it, they ended up killing everyone. Torbin is such an example, despite all his power, training he was still a stubborn, lacking impulse, childish kid with a powergrip who thought he could take on all the witches.
I enjoy your take on this series far more than any other Star Wars channel I watch. You will critique, but not nit-pick every single detail that sucks. I appreciate that you're not giving a full review until it's over, and that you're taking the good with the bad. It's very refreshing since most of the other channels are just crapping all over this series without the full picture. Yes there are many things that are bad in this series such as dialog, pacing, and some acting, but it's new Star Wars that is giving us new insight to the galaxy far far away. Thank you for you videos and commentary.
@@chocomalk Considering every top youtube comment is from channels who made mexican jokes at andor before it came out and cried woke all the time and then went silent?? Lol also why do you think hes talking about them
Tho it fell flat in a few things, i did enjoy the episode. And i appreciated the fleshing out of Indara and her motivations, and the idea that for once, the institution of the Jedi was essentially giving the correct instructions for once. I do agree that the show suffers from issues, from a lore perspective it was and is still quite interesting and gives some more meat to the period. From a quality perspective, its certainly not the best, but its also not the worst. It had to grow on me a little, but i can appreciate it for its ideas, even if the execution was not as good as in other shows. And in the end, i do feel entertained, and that is everything i am asking for, those 40ish minutes tend to fly for me.
Because despite what people say Disney is trying to do, the Jedi aren’t evil, but they can be misguided at times. Like it’s giving into personal desires and not considering the consequences.
@@theawesomeman9821 I wouldn’t say corrupt because that implies ill will within the leadership of the order and that’s just not the case. It’s hubris more than corruption
I have to say that when Sol and Indara stand in the forest and talk about not confusing Torbins feelings for his own. The way Sol touches his face, his posture and his breathing made me feel like it was super real. I am almost 100% this is something that was either improvised by the actor or he actually had an itch and they decided to keep it. As it felt really great, it almost didn't feel like acting.
In regards to you talking about the lack of cohesivness in the show, Tim Cain (creator of the original Fallout game) put out a video today talking about the importance of sticking to the vision and how you can have many talented people working on a project but if there is no central vision then things can fall apart.
I think these shorter seasons/series suffer when they flip flop back and forth between directors. I know tv shows back in the day had others guest direct and even actors come off stage and direct episodes. But there was connection...and much longer seasons.
Good episode. Sol seemed creepily predatory in his obsession with "protecting Osha", causing him to have a Travis McMichael moment. I don't think this was a complete Brendok reveal.
@@Fireandbubbles you don't want them to slow the episode progression by stretching the narrative across even more episodes. I would be fine with just one more episode if it ties everything together. Could Ep 8 be extended? Hopefully.
@@Fireandbubbles Why not? Why not WANT them to improve, tv shows back in the day wernt all perfect, even the peak ones, they had weak seasons sometimes
How a padawan survived that though? My head canon is just that the witches are somehow not as capable fighting with their puppet than a fully aware wookie jedi could.
@@SirClerihewI don’t think it was bad. The wookie was attacking while both sol and Torbin weren’t trying to kill him just defending themselves. The choreography wasn’t horrible.
One has to remember that Kelnacca WASN’T the one to fight the Jedi, it was the coven that took over his mind. He was merely a puppet to them and wasn’t acting at his peak. Based on the context of “his” fight with the Jedi, I’d would estimate the witches are using 75% of his total capabilities tops (maybe 80%). Which as we can see still makes him a deadly opponent but not using the most optimal of his abilities. Of course if he was truly acting at his peak he WOULDN’T be fighting against his companions whatsoever.
If they made what the Jedi did more controversial, they would be getting 10x more backlash. Alot of the backlash Disney and the team have been getting is that they are making Jedi to be “the bad guys” and/or not showing them in the best light. With how the fan base is, I do not think there was ever going to be anything but a no-win situation for the creators. I also think this series would have been better if all of the episodes were released at once
yeah i think this increasingly is becoming a problem, let's ignore the crazies from the culture war for a second, there are so many different generation of fans who come to star wars for different things. They really have to be more bold in their own direction, and hopefully if they can reach excellence than it will silence the hates. Because ultimately shows like Andor I think will rebound, and the second season will have better viewership... fingers crossed
Toxicity amongst fans exists, no doubt. That’s true in many fandoms. But only this show had a diss track ready to go. It’s like it was carefully crafted to stoke negativity.🤷♂️ This isn’t Rue in Hunger Games, that was ridiculous as the casting was straight from the book. This is just hard to follow writing.
@@GenerationTechThe lack of a clear singular vision has plagued this show from start to finish, which is more a result of the constant need to churn out new content at any cost than a culture war. Hopefully a lesson is learned and Disney will adopt a strong show runner and take a tighter rein on IP management going forward, much like Lucas did when he ran the franchise.
I don't get those people. KOTOR 2: TSL is considered one of the best star wars story out there, and it paints the jedi in a VERY CRITICAL light. Especially Atris and Kavarr. Like sure some people take it too far and say "Kreia was Right." Kreia wasn't right. She was a teacher though. The whole game is a teacher in how to handle trauma in a healthy manner - with Kreia, Nihilus, Sion and Atris/Council being the bad examples to avoid, canon Surik the "ideal" and your companions showcasing various ways to cope with trauma. Generally, the message of KOTOR 2 TSL, ignoring Ayn Rand political stuff, is that the best way to heal from trauma is through community and mutual aid with others who also suffer, as they can understand one another. Healing others, one can heal themselves. This is where Surik's power comes from. Altho, I'm confident that if KOTOR 2:TSL released today - the culture war people and the rabid fans would hate it for "lore breaking" lmao.
As someone that’s been a fan since the original trilogy, I feel the same way. I feel like a lot of the fans seem to focus too much on things that mean nothing. I mean, is it seriously that big of a deal to have a witch coven that doesn’t have any men and that have women in relationships with each other? Even if you don’t agree with that lifestyle, why let that make you hate the show? It doesn’t make a ton of sense in my opinion at least. It’s just one aspect of a few characters. Yet people talk like it’s one of the reasons that Disney is “ruining” Star Wars. I like to see anything that shows more about this galaxy, shows more about why the Jedi are who they are and believe what they believe. Even the sequel movies, which are far from perfect, still shows things that are interesting and offers explanations about things that had happened in the original trilogy and even the prequels. There is always something new and interesting to dive into on your own. Whether you enjoy the shows or not. They still have value in them. Disney series shows give you a lot of background stories of things that couldn’t be focused on or explained in the movies. That’s what I enjoy. I also find myself just hoping that the fans will eventually start to enjoy these shows, or just appreciate specific characters and the actors that played them. The actors don’t deserve the hate they get so often. Heck, people hated Hayden for being Anakin/Vader when the prequels came out. They hated Jar Jar so much it really affected the man that played him. But now, both of them, especially Hayden, is almost universally loved by all fans of Star Wars. I hope people eventually feel the same way about some of the characters that so many of them say they hate in the Disney series and the movies.
I have been thinking recently, about how art interacts with people (and vice versa). If one loves something - if it moves, or speaks to them in a significant way - nothing can challenge their relationship to that thing. I know "State and Main" is David Mamet's best film, and the fact it is the least critically acclaimed of his works does nothing to diminish my perspective of it as one of the great movies of all time. I am well aware 95% of cinema-goers have never even heard of "Cradle Will Rock", despite its cast having more major movie and theater awards than any other cast in history, and it does not challenge my knowledge it is a masterpiece of cinema. We need no validation in our love of things. What fascinates me, is how differently these cultures of hate, that have bloomed around so many artistic endeavors in the last two decades, behave, and the need for validation they seem to manifest. Why, I wonder, is the opinion something "is utter trash" so very fragile. Why is anyone who has a divergent opinion of Star Wars, or thinks "Game of Thrones" was still better than most shows, even after it stopped being great, met always with unabashed vitriol and cliche labels like "shill"? Everyone enjoys having other people share views. We find solace and connection in shared perspectives and experiences, so it is natural for people who love a thing to want to share that thing with others. We also see it, on some level, as giving a gift by sharing something beautiful. Hate, conversely, shares no such motivations. Wanting others to hate what you hate is, at best, like forcing someone to smell your farts. So, why do such people need everyone to agree with them so completely and aggressively? I can see no reason - unless it is not actually about the experience of the art at all, but rather something purely ideological, which merely attempts to utilize some art to burrow its way into the lives of others.
Electrical fire seems like, the electrical cables were shown shorting out around the door when the fire was spreading, that could have spread through the cabling across the entire complex. Eventually leading to a cascade failure finally hitting the main reactor. I’m guessing the old abandoned mining facility didn’t have proper safeguards against fire hazards.
Last night made me think more about Abeloth. The witches can just turn into black smoke and fuse together or disappear, it gives more questions than answers. Is the power of many just one being that is dividing itself into many? Next week will probably be epic and leave us with a cliffhanger so I already know we need that season 2
Didn't mother Talzin do some similar stuff? They do make a comment about them being night sisters but it wasn't established as de facto explanation just what one character though.
That planet is dark side force heavy (which is why the witches picked this planet). Using these gadgets shows they are trying to find out what is going on not realizing the danger they are exposed to, i.e. they are not well equipped. This is how all their underlying traits get exposed - aggressiveness (Wookie), emotion (Sol), Torbin is a child. And so, they all get confused/disturbed which is why this episode is confusing - as confused as the Jedi. Indara keeps her cool. The planet is one single Dagobar cave. I am thinking.
but then someone among the thousands of jedi should've felt something before even entering the planet, there shouldn't be a doubt that the force was something strong there. A complete planet that is dark force heavy should be something that masters should be able to sense, specially since we have seen these jedi use powers that other jedi haven't used as easily in other movies and shows, meaning that they are stronger than the average jedi.
Again with people making up head cannon to explain this horrible show. When was the plantet being dark side energy ever mentioned? It's a plantet that's is flourishing with LIFE due to force if anything it's a light side planet.
I must say that I actually enjoy your content because of the fact that you discuss what works and what doesn't work in the show instead just trashing the show like some content creators do. Thanks. I also find the videos provide me with clarity of what's going on that I might have overlooked due to not being well versed in all of Star Wars lore. Thanks.
Every Jedi made their mistake on this planet by causing harm. When I first watched, I actually believed Master Indara had killed all the witches. By forcing them out of Kelnacca’s mind, I think she sent back a powerful force blow to all of them, killing them. She seemed the most powerful Jedi there, the most in control of her emotions, who could easily cause death to save her colleagues. She also regards Torbin coldly afterwards, which is understandable, and suggests that they lie to the council. Torbin never gets to fully heal, and who knows what happened to his relationship with his master afterwards.
I loved watching this episode. We knew what was comming for 3 episodes, but we didn't know, how it'll play out in the end. From what has happened, we knew that the jedi were involved in a way, that the jedi felt guilty for how it played out and the mistakes that they made. We knew (from Qimirs perspective), that everything that happened in episode 3 was the jedis fault and they are the ones to blame for what happened. The show directed us in the direction to think, that the jedis could/will be the villians in the plot of this season. But in the end, in episode 7 we learned, that it was more like a tragedy, where many parts come together to form the disaster. You can definitly blame the Jedi/Torbin/Sol for what has happened, but also mother koril and in a way, also even mae for their actions. Overall there was not a specific good and bad side, it was more like people just reacted with their best intentions, on what they thought would be the best for the kids, while everyone mixed his actions, with their personal preferences. Mae wants Osha to staiy, so she is trying to stop her from going in a not really well thought way, like kids would do (please kids, dont burn houses down, because you want something). Mother Koril wants the girls to stay with the witches, because she fears the jedi and also worries about the tribe of the witches and probably doesnt wanna loose her girls as a mother. Sol fears the witches would do something bad to the girls and wants to safe them (espacially Osha) from the witches, while he also wants to take Osha as a Padawan, because he feels a connection through the force to her (maybe in a similar way, like Qui Gon did with Anakin, while he is way less experienced and way more attached to his feelings and emotions). Overall, even though I knew what has had to happen in this episode, it suprised me how it played out and it also explained some concerning questions, like why all the witches were gatherd in a room & dead in Episode 3, while there were no major wounds, or burned body parts to see, which could have ended in some major plotholes pretty easily (like it happened in Shows like Obi Wan). But after this episode there are still some questions up to answer, like how did Mae survive this episode, how did she met Qimir and in which direction is the show about to go, after this plot is finished and we end up in the situation, we are currently in after episode 6. And btw. please ignore mistakes in grammar or spelling, as im from germany and this is not my native language :D Hope I still could get my points & view on this episode across ^^
Congrats! Like most of the whiney man babies, you said a lot of words that only a tenth of people understood and added fucking nothing of substance to any conversation whatsoever.
Agreed, and that means that Kenobi, Boba Fett and Ahsoka were 5 random cards, and balls the size of Jupiter (or more precisely, a total lack of respect for the fans).
The way I saw it, the whole thing was basically set up by Aniseya. She told Torbin she would give him a way to go home, then the following morning hand delivered him the proof of the vergence they were looking for via the twins blood, which he acted on immediately and that night was on his way home to Coruscant. I think thats why he takes the barash vow cause he knows its all his fault taking the deal with Aniseya when she offers him a way to go home.
I enjoyed the episode. I was confused a bit by that scene with Koril and Mae. It felt like it was outta left field for half the covan to be aggressive. But I still liked the episode, and with the small details of Sol lurking around the place was really cool. The fire was indeed caused by Mae, and no one progressed it further it was just a fire spiraling out of control. The fighting outside had enough time to pass for the fire to get worse. It's clear both sides were flawed that led to the collapse of the Covan. Sol ultimately letting Mae die was also crazy.
So they expected us to accept that Indara couldn't be bothered to explain the mission after 7 weeks to her Padawan Torbin and allows him to whine like a little child?
I'm not a huge critic of the show, but wow that was such a poorly written scene. Whoever directed this did the worst job so far and it was the most important episode
I can accept that he was homesick and was whiny about it. Not the first time we've seen whining in SW. We just met Indara and she knows her Padawan best. What was she supposed to do, beat him lol. I can see the comments now. We haven't spent enough time with the character to definitively know what she'd do in a given situation. We do know that she defers to the Council but isn't above lying and covering things up.
I love the emotion and point of view of this episode. I loved the interplay of themes of family and conflicting institutions. I was hit hard by how hubris, ego and violence destroyed all these lives. I feel the episode was compelling and effective.
Also just noting that the way Mother Koril apparated away at the end, looked almost identical to how Mother Talsin escaped several times during the clone wars.
Jedi are trained to be devoid of emotion and to follow orders (code). It was completely out of character for how a Jedi would react, even a young Jedi. It’s an example of one of the many flaws that take away from what had the potential to be a great series.
Well, he's an idiot, the evidence he needed was in his hands. The girl's blood samples showing their 100% matching "symbionts" or whatever but, just like everything else the writers tried to set up in this show it was completely forgotten about with absolutely no payoff. The girls themselves are meaningless without the blood sample data to show that they're "special".
I’m a little disappointed that this whole thing happened because of a homesick padawan and an overzealous, over protective mother. Mother Aniseya shouldn’t have messed Torbins mind, that probably led with Sol acting the way he did.
I was just about to type out this really long essay-length comment about how much I appreciate and enjoy Generation Tech videos, but eh I'm sure you guys get enough of those. Instead, I'll just say this: Thank you very much for making my day better with yet another entertaining and informative video about my favorite fictional universe. I hope all of you there have a great day today and I look forward to the next video that you upload. ❤
The show doesn't use an "unreliable narrative", they use an "incomplete narrative". We didn't see any points of view that changed what we saw earlier, we just were given new details. They could have combined episode 3 and 7 into one episode, presented it at the beginning of the series and the Acolyte would be far better.
In Episode 3, we were shown that Mae set the fire deliberately and told Osha:"I will kill you." In Episode 7, we see that it was an accident and Mae never threatened to kill her sister.
You nailed my exact thoughts on the episode and I've likewise been one who has enjoyed the show for the most part. The story just didn't merit the unreliable narrator and the payoff was not enough to justify so much leadup to this. Torbin running off too just felt strange even when knowing he's been stuck in the middle of nowhere for a couple of months doing work he sees no purpose in. (But admittedly that does show how the Jedi started to get too wrapped up in their need for nobility.) Sidebar: As a historian myself, I'm happy after so much time to finally have someone agree with my review of Dunkirk. I always thought the disjointed narrative in that movie completely ruined it and made it so even my partner leaned over and asked me during the movie: "Wait...who are they fighting again?" It's a device I don't think lends itself to most projects, particularly historical ones. It could have worked in The Acolyte but the murder mystery just wasn't strong enough to justify it.
Just wanted to add to another comment I left on one of your videos (about the wit and intelligence of your analyses). There’s a real difference between your commenters and the commenters of hater reactions. Here there be open minds and wisdom, and I’m here for it.
The problem is this episode took 7 episode to unravel (we already guess it since episode 4), when they can gave small flashback on previous episode. This episode should be just the confirmation of what happened in Brendok.
Master Sol is a classic example of the hubris of the Jedi in their belief that taking a child from a family for a greater cause is a justifiable excuse for depriving a person of love. Sol's own need for love overwhelmed his sense of moral obligation to the Jedi code. He saw Osha as an avatar for his displacement and struggle as a child Jedi initiate and works to fix his own trauma by preventing her future struggle as the loving parent he never had. He's desperate to save himself through her. Mirrors Anakin's journey.
Hubris of the jedi? You see this is perfect example how people try to demonize the jedi any chance they get why? Sol doesn't represent the jedi infact the jedi council and the master there are telling Sol he is over stepping. How how is the whole jedi order getting involved in Sols weird behavior?
It's an extension of the message of the prequels and the clone wars. The jedi had become so out of touch from being in power for so long they couldn't see how leading clones to their death in their hundreds of thousands would build resentment. We have seen all these fantastic Jedi obi wan Yoda etc who the code works for. But anakin was a clear example of how the code didn't work. Anakin is a tragedy. But there a lot of other mid tier jedi like sol who it also doesn't work for and it leads to problems. Anakin was so powerful however that when the code didn't work for him it wasn't a problem it was a catastrophe
@@bobbybrown1258 The Jedi leading the clones didn't build resentment in the clones. We have been shown repeatedly the clones liked the Jedi and were proud to fight along side them, and that the Jedi liked the clones and treated them well. The clones were designed from the start to battle the Jedi: they had a chip in their brain that activated deeply buried brain washing. It wasn't resentment that fueled order 66, it was Sith planning. If Anakin had followed the code then everything would have been fine. That is the entire point. His straying from the code is what caused him to fall to the dark side. Good had won. The Sith had finally been defeated, after a thousand years of conspiring they had victory in their grasp but the last remaining Sith master was being struck down. Order 66 had not happened and while many Jedi had been killed the war was finally over, the Republic would have healed and gone on with their Jedi protectors for another thousand generations and beyond. But Anakin failed to follow the code and he fell to the dark side. And with him fell the entire galaxy.
@@karatos you didn't pay enough attention. It's well established in lore and canon the clones were more than happy to turn on the jedi. It was rare generals like obi wan and anakin that they respected because the jedi valued them. But often jedi would charge I to battle medieval style which we see in the clone wars and just get loads of clones killed
@@bobbybrown1258 bad batch and the clone wars show both Confirm the clones were brainwashed due to a chip. Your lying and spreading misinformation fans that know the lore will call you out bro.
I'm glad we have you to make a more level-headed review for of this show. There are so many out there that are clearly just rage-baiting and hating on it for ridiculous reasons. I'm glad you actually put in the time and use your background to describe what is good an bad about the show from a cinematic perspective
@@johannessmith93 I'm not sure, I think Yord saying "he gets into your mind and stays there" was trying to set the idea that once the witches possessed you, they still have some influence over you, which can also explain why Kelnacca had drawings of the Witches symbols all over his home. Still, it's not clear at all, this writting is all over the place.
I honestly kinda liked it. It was like watching a trainwreck you can't look away from. You know what will happen, you're watching it for the impact, the emotional impact on the characters. And that was very strong.
Man I am trying to get on board with this show but they keep making it hard for me. The Jedi acted like emotional idiots and everything seems not well thought out. The power of the dark side is indeed powerful I am starting to turn
@@John_Locke_108 Lucas had no respect for the world Lucas built. He didn't covet it like a gospel. He changed stuff all the time. Then he sold it because people bullied him about the prequels.
I believe a lot of the issue is that the writers gave themselves an out and didn't take it. If the "vergence" isn't well understood, it may be the cause of the imbalance. But if the writers are implying there are more emotionally volatile Jedis like Anakin in the Order, then that should've been better highlighted by Venestra and Sol's interactions.
@@John_Locke_108 I love how Alan keeps proving you guys wrong over and over again yet you alway hyperbole it out to this. Man the shows rough but it certainty isnt made by nonfans
That’s funny! I haven’t finished watching yet, but when you were talking about how Sol’s compassion and sensitivity went hand-in-hand, I KNEW you were relating to yourself. Your compassion shines in every video you do, and I’ll bet the mean comments really hurt you. I wish we could protect you from them, but you said it yourself. You have to try to desensitize yourself, because you can’t control the environment, especially in this line of work. Your videos are always uplifting and positive and I, for one, really appreciate and enjoy them.
@@user-zl9sh9mz6h I don’t even know how they are going to resolve the stuff they have to in the next episode. I definitely don’t expect anything to feel resolved.
This episode feels like waste of screentime. We don't get much and now there is only 1 episode left. It explains how witches died (although I bet ppl will still question it, how Trinity disconnected them 😆). But in the end, how Sol's story could affect Mae? She burned the town, but didn't kill anyone and she knows this unlike to Osha. Her revenge is still justified? That flashback should have been told to Osha, not Mae.
I don't have the same cinematic pedigree as Alan (as in none) but I was more than mildly impressed with episode 7 and enjoyed it very much. my favorite was when Osha's mother told Sol that she was planning to let Osha go with no violence. That really resonated with me. She was portrayed as very loving and fair minded. The good black witch! I love it!❤
Remember everyone: Kathleen Kennedy said that when she read the script to this show, she CRIED. This story was so powerful and moving to her that it brought her to tears!
Exactly even with people grasping at the good parts, it’s still a disaster with no regard for what came before and paved the way for it to exist in the first place.
@@20th_century_Ghost Kenobi was another bad port from movie script to series. Just like this show. That said, I find Kenobi entertaining. This show hinges so much on its gimmick that it can fall a lot flatter.
@@Seven_Kingdoms77 "Disaster" see this is the problem , its just mid, we will move on, there will be good shows/movies eventually and just forget about it while fans like sure . That is it and you added a bunch of bullshit a the end that Alan disproves constantly, did you WATCH the video
One thing I definitely had an issue with was the reveal of torbins face scar. Usually with a big pronounced scar like that they have a big moment where they highlight how exactly they got it. However in this case there was no highlighted moment. I watched his face very closely throughout that fight and it just popped up out of nowhere after he got slammed into the wall then tossed across the room.
@@harshalpatil1209 ya it's definitely down played but I think they under played it too much. It just popped up out of nowhere. Like it had no significance whatsoever.
I like that your critique is about how it stands as a "story/plot" and not how it conforms to lore (that is lore "from a certain point of view" that many reviewers have, and can't let go) Overall I like Acolyte, it could have been done better, but as a Star Wars show it works for me. Especially this episode.
Have the Padawan ask questions about the different devices and how they work towards the goal they are trying to achieve. Have the council want them to investigate against the master’s wishes and that’ll make the padawan want to go find the girls faster (hence driving off in the speeder). Have the fight happen but let the mother turn into her second form and attack the insurgents and have them all battle and ultimately some of the other witches. Have the wookie get taken over and fight the Jedi. Have the padawan after almost dying and going through trauma lose his mind essentially and go berserk ultimately killing and blowing up the entire mountain before being brought back by the masters and it still looking like Mae did it. Do this and it’s somewhat saved lol.
They literally rereleased episode 3 and thought we wouldn’t notice? We had like what 7 minutes of new information? In a story that is already painfully short and condensed to a point where character development and motivations are largely skipped over
Thank you. As someone who just hasn’t enjoyed the storytelling of this show, I really wanted an opinion from someone that’s enjoyed the show or at least had a neutral view. I hope that someone who truly loves Star Wars can create the next big show or movie
A lot of good happens when people understand each other, and a lot of evil happens when people fail to do so. This episode illustrates this nearly perfectly. All of the tragic things that happened in this event happened because neither side was willing to sit down, have a conversation, and come to a true understanding of the situation. Fear and dogma got in everyone's way and lead to tragedy.
Allen, Thank you for your reviews of the series. I will say I do not love the series, I still enjoyed it. With all these haters lately regarding the show, I so much appreciate your constructive review. Saying what is wrong when needed but praising wgat work when it does too. I recently realized most starwars fans would be sith, but you, my good sir, I believe would be a true jedi.
I have to disagree with you on your take about murder mysteries requiring an unpredictable twist at the ending. A good murder mystery will give the audience all the clues they require to come to the correct the solution by themselves before the big reveal. The ending is supposed to confirm that you came to the correct conclusions on your own. Doing some weird unpredictable twist ending comes from directors who feel the need to trick their audience or who want to show off how much smarter they are. Either way, The Acolyte doesn't deliver on either ends of the spectrum. The "mystery" is so obvious that the reveal falls flat. There is no thinking involved. And if they wanted the twist to be "the Jedi are evil" they failed with that, too, since the Council clearly told Sol to drop the issue and leave. And Sol's view of the coven as some spooky cult was justified from an outside perspective, so he didn't act entirely irrationally either.
Honestly I have no idea where the idea that this was a mystery show came from. They answer every question seconds after they ask it.. there is no time taken to bulld any tension at all.
Exactly, Sol was right the coven is an evil cult doing evil culty things. Like breaking the minds of Torbin and Kalnecca. Sol was sort of out ofnline in the beginning of the whole incident, and clearly his choice to hold up the bridge rather than grab the girls is wrong and stupid. But he wasn't wrong about the cult.
I actually don’t think Sol’s view of the witches was justified. His dogmatic adherence to the Jedi code is why he was only ever prepared to see the witches as harmful to the twins. For once, the council was right in its pronouncements but the Jedi as a whole produce the kind of views that Sol has.
Even if they had remained separate, but had the season started with them. Give us a little base understanding moving forward. Doesn't feel worth the wait for an Episode 7 of 8
Before the episode aired I thought the show would’ve been better if we never had the third episode and this episode confirmed my thoughts. The third episode should’ve been flashbacks during the other first four episodes only or not shown at all
I now feel my main problem with this show is it needed to be 2x-3x longer. where is the storyline that explains Torbins mom is on her deathbed and the Jedi uppers are not allowing him to return to be with her while she dies? Where is the storyline that explains why a 10-year-old girl on an abandoned planet would even know what a Jedi is, let alone have a good impression of them. Remember Chewbacca? He had a personality. He had frustrations, joys, he cared for his friends, and friends joked around with one another.. not this Wookiee. He was a robot. He Died... I don't care...I don't care about most of the characters. Everything feels contrived, no character motivations make sense because there is no backstory to explain anything. To be clear this isn't my only problem with the series, Just the biggest.
I don't think this is the absolute truth either. What we saw today is Sol's or even the Jedi's perspective of what went down on Brendok. We still don't have Mae's version of events, we don't know what Qimir knows or if he was there, what he saw. It will be his version of events or his Master's version of events that is closest to the truth because they're not directly involved in the conflict between the Coven and the Jedi. They're outside observers. This channel has done a great job of analysis, and again this week. Don't jump the gun because as you've been saying, we need the entire season to have a complete picture of what's going on. I think four hour long episodes would have made it better but, I'm still enjoying the show. If Qimir and or Sol survive the season, I'd really love to see a season 2.
@@andrewxu3602 that's just it; how do we know that those two extra hooded figures from episode 3 weren't Qimir and his Master? It seems like he knows more about the story than she does. Why is it he that is always telling Mae and Osha that he's going to reveal something to them?
I have had a really issue trying to find someone who could talk about this show properly and by that I mean actually watching it and understanding what the show is showing us before you come with the what's bad about it. So many people who are talking bad about the show are either misinterpreted or clearly missing things that they saying they don't like about the show. You did it the right way You watched everything and you gave a perfect explanation of what was wrong with the show that I agree with
Torbin literally let the intrusive thoughts win 😅
Ya a witch getting in your head would do that.
Check r/dontStickYourDickInCrazy
But also... Kinda yeah, but what about Kelnacca?
And sadly, yet conveniently, do we even know his thoughts on their mission there?
Was he perhaps doing his best to make the most of their time there but struggling with it the most?
It's super interesting that because he's a wookie and the writing and time limits panned out such that his views and feelings on things were not delved into like Chewbacca's, we actually have no clue...
He probably feels the worst of them all since he almost killed Torbin. And as a Jedi, who is trained to manage affairs of the Force, even if the Coven made the decision to possess him (or whatever that was), wouldn't some part of him (and even Indara) feel guilty that the entire coven died for his release to take effect?
Like... This episode just reeks of tragedy and sadness for me.
I really thought there would be a political cover up but the Council was actually right. Things just spiralled so quickly.
Imagine if he was normal and just desired boobage.
@@DarthJarJar10 Well said DarthJarJar & Yes Scp it totally could have long lasting - effects 🙂 Beautiful Live Act Star Wars episode that i winded down with on last night in a dark room 🙂 7/10 for me & i'll add it later in couple websites. My The Acolyte S01 PT2 review goes to blog page week after S01 finale ✅
A possessed Jedi wookie going ham was not something I realised I needed to see.
yeah that was pretty awesome, like i have lot more respect for torbin now despite him being an idiot, not many jedi can hold off a wookie
Yeah it was strangely awesome. 😂
Now we need a wookie Sith :D
None of us ever looked for it, none of us wanted it, ALL OF US NEEDED IT!
I was reminded very violently why i don't want to meet a angry Wookie in Close Quarters. And now i know why Han said, you want to let Chewie win in Episode 4.
Also the matrix vibes in this show are kind of funny, like every carrie anne moss does something dramatic we get that matrix stinger... and then when she enters the matrix and disconnects the entire coven. She was great in this episode though top notch acting, wish we''d seen more of her
Yeah, for such a huge name she got like what? 15 minutes screen time. I think we legit saw more of the green jedi's side kick than her.
Trinity was the main murderer. I think that is why Mae killed her first. But, I don’t think it was her intention to kill the entire Coven, any more than it was Sol’s intention when he tried to disappate the Smoke. Sol would not fight the other mother when he realized what happened.
It was their bad luck in not understanding what they were dealing with. Jedi lack our omniscience./
That classic Trinity stoicism makes for an interesting Jedi master imo. Indara and Sol's tense dynamic kind of reminded me of Dooku and Windu (minus their difference in rank) in Tales.
Torbin took the green pill. The third secret option where you commit suicide to avoid being in a train wreck production
@@GenerationTech I think she was the strongest in the group. And able to resist and fight back.
Her clarity would have been more useful in an investigation into a Jedi's murder.
I'm guessing someone realized her character was too well written to not be able to see through the deceptions and would have solved it all too quickly...
For the sake of the mystery, she had to die first.
I think one problem is that the show is about a mystery that none of the characters is interested in solving. Mae, Sol, and the Jedi already know what happened, and Osha doesn't even know there is a mystery. That means that when the solution to that mystery is revealed to the audience, there is no corresponding story beat. The big reveal isn't part of the story.
What exactly is the mystery? There’s a fine line between a mystery and simply withholding plot information. Acolyte is the latter.
@@ericp1139 Yes, exactly this.
Also remember the shows majority episode have been about circling around Qimir one way or another, as of right now if Qimir hadn't picked Mae as a potential apprentice then Mae and Osha plot line from Brendock kind of just fades off into the background. Maybe the final will establish he targeted Mae as an apprentice because of her being made from or are the vergence.... but that's just fan fiction at this point.
I guess it was all covered up and noone else knew (so far). Ki Adi Mundi was close to finding out but didn't because it wasn't his business. It could be how the Sith got the info to try to create a vergence in the force like the Chosen one.
Where does Qimir fit into all this though?
My take on ep 7 was similar to but more positive than yours, but I’m not commenting to disagree.
I continue to be grateful for the empathetic but incisive critical eye with which you view SW content. It’s what we need in these times. The discourse is dominated by the uncritical, the uninsightful, the unimaginative, and the unserious.
Keep bringing the antithesis of these!
I feel like people would have attacked this show even if it was spectacular. This show isn’t amazing, but it’s not terrible either. I feel the mystery element of the show(not releasing everything at once) would have worked if this show didn’t have the fan base ready to kill it at a moments notice. Several shows are like that where the episodes don’t make sense by themselves but make sense put together
To me the show is like a 6 out of a 10. Not amazing but enjoyable. Some good acting and good charafters others not as much. Osha and mae i dont care as much about while jecki was cool qhen on screen and had an awesome fight with q'mir and q'mir has been very good. If the backstory was handled differently id raise my opinion on the show like if indara and kalnaka were paranoid about the coven and went crazy there but instead those 2 did nothing wrong really, torbin was spooked understandibly and sol was the one who came out looming way worse. Felt too safe story wise
You kind of have to blame Headland with her disrespect of the fans, the lore and certain members of society as a joke in her eyes. These type of people can be so hypocritical and in a way she deserves this. The show definitely isnt as inept or bad as has been stated though
@@isessogroup Headland is a true fan - going back to the West End Games game. What disrespect? Her additions to the lore are entirely consistent with what already existed and I have no clue what members of *our* society she’s shown any disrespect to, so generally I’m missing what you’re talking about.
@@davidalan528 so you perceive this unique form of bullying the show into the dirt just a temper tantrum? If youre not aware then do your research... I certainly have really liked alot of things she has brought to the table... yet i find myself at times watching the show wondering if the writers actually know how human interaction and conversation works (much like Ahsoka)... Being oblivious to her slights against "nerds" and Star Wars fans is something thats very easy to find out about, even before responding to what I stated...
This episode is attempting to set up Sol as the mirror to Qimir, with both seeking an apprentice despite outside resistance. They even both lose their acolyte/padawan on the same night.
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Except it makes everyone out to be random people in costumes rather than actual Jedi or Sith.
@@Lobsterwithinternet You mean, individuals with their own identities that are sometimes contradictory with the organizations they belong to? Like what we see in real life, ranging from bad cops and predatory priests to drug dealers who rebuild their communities? The prequels did the exact same thing with the Jedi.
@@newscoulomb3705 Except that these are psychic warrior monks trained from childhood. You can't really just get a degree in Jedi Studies and join the Jedi Order.
They shouldn't be acting like they’re just some random schlubs off the street dressed as Jedi.
You don't see the prequel Jedi acting anything like this. They have their own personalities but they all act like ascetics who aren't like normal people.
@@newscoulomb3705 Yup. It's all about duality 👍
What surprised me about this episode was how much it humanized the establishment, specifically through Indara. She starts off as this seemingly aloof, detached figure - a stereotypical Jedi - but she shows that the establishment gets established for reasons that aren't necessarily evil. Indara had to be the mother to this dysfunctional family here, reining in their impulses and doing damage control when she could not.
She seems harsh. She certainly could have been less high and mighty in her actions. Dreaming a bit bigger, there was probably a more enlightened path that could have led to a greater understanding of the Force by communication. But in hindsight, the Brendock 4 would have been better off following her lead, imperfect though their apparent options were.
Maybe these actions seem contrived and inappropriate to some viewers of the show, but I appreciate the portrayal. These characters weren't Chosen Ones, legendary masters, or diabolical masterminds; they were the day shift and their manager panicking when they found a bomb in the mail.
Its weord because the writing in this episode makes me like her more and makes her a better character overall but at the same time it makes the backstory end up being too safe. Too many questions after ep 3 and they werent answered with interesting ideas and the one who ended up being a worse person in my eyes is the character we have to follow to the last episode in sol. If indara torbin and kalnaka got spooked and resulted in the fire and death of the witched kore idirectly even on accident and sol saves osha at least i think itd add more weight to the eventual conflict in the last epidode
You've said it better than I ever could! The hesitation and questioning I felt her character portrayed when faced with so many unknowns (respecting a different culture vs concern over the safety of girls) really spoke to me
My dad’s dealing with cancer and my mom had a stroke and is bed ridden.. Been helping as much as possible, but this video has some key philosophical points that hit home in a really strong way. Incredibly well spoken.
Stay strong 💪 I’ve been there too. Take care of yourself too.
During the whole episode it seemed like the Jedi did a poor job of de-escalating the situation. They broke into the building not once, but twice. Korril is a bit of a hardliner but at the same time I couldn't really blame her for her attitude when the Jedi came the second time unannounced. I think a simple door knock would have sufficed.
Indara also should have taken her team off Brendock after hearing the high council. Her team was compromised and they weren't going to do anything constructive there anymore, at least not immediately. One Jedi Knight is having attachment issues and her own Padawan is having emotional issues and had his mind invaded. I think it would be the time to take a step away and regroup and as a result avoid members of the team doing rash stuff.
To me it seemed like Aniseya's hex was still lingering in Torbin's mind. She found his weak point and the traces of magic festered in him after Aniseya relinquished her control over him in the first encounter. Torbin seemed different after the incident, so him running off after the M-count reveal didn't feel too far fetched
He probably got pretty scared and wanted to leave the planet the faster he could, while filling that he disappointed his master
That could explain his irrational behavior
I agree that the affects of the magic were still there, regardless of there being lingering magik, having your mind broken into would shake up anyone
@@marcsoren7 I understood, that he's a Jedi in Training, fighting boredom, simply being a Teenager with hormones going haywire and to top it of a scary witch was in it's head.
Then it was in the middle of the night... yeah, he was in his own horror movie and wanted to get out of there.
Pretty relatable.
I feel like I needed more explanation for the impulsiveness. I mean Aniseya warped his mind even though her intention was them to leave? If it wasn’t for her actions then maybe Torbin would’ve just stayed away. On top of that, you’d think after sigh a frightful encounter he wouldn’t confront the same witches ALONE…
This fits the line from the scene with Qimir: he gets in your head, and stays there.
There's a Padawan in the Old Republic books that feels the same way as Torbin. Except he doesn't like leaving Coruscant for missions. When his Master took an assignment to the Starlight Beacon, he was highly upset and sought to stay on Coruscant. So much so he tried going to the High Council and get reassigned a new Master that doesn't leave the planet.
Torbin reminded me of him. Except he also wanted adventure, through that he sought a higher purpose in his assignment.
I rather liked the episode. The entire series reminds me more of The Old Republic era.
*Quick edit* : check Heavy Spoilers. Just got through checking theirs out, and it actually explores a few deeper themes and story beats.
Why are you eating shit? Is it that delicious?
The roads to hell are paved with good intentions. Compassion can warp to obsession. Obsession leads to fear. And you know the rest.
@@o19g78e yeah, no. Compassion is the soul of the Jedi order. It doesn’t warp to obsession, it warps to despair.
@@Fireandbubbles True.
Everyone was telling me this show was going to make the Jedi look evil, but any wrongdoing here just reflects on the Brendock 4 in my opinion. More than anything this show paints a positive light on the "no attachments" rule the Jedi have, which by the way tends to get crapped on in most other Star Wars content. Here the Jedi council itself tries to avoid this tragedy, but the tragedy occurs due to the emotional imbalance of Sol. And even Sol didn't have evil intentions... it was an unfortunate tragedy that he could have avoided if he followed the Jedi code. I'm sad for Sol because I like his character and he doesn't look the greatest here, but if you're pro-Jedi I think this show is actually a great advertisement for the Jedi code.
@Kief553 I think that people who thought this show would make the Jedi look evil weren't ready for nuance. It seemed to me that the show was about flaws, wherever they were found.
@@wkadams88you are right, a majority of starwars fans lack nuance. They see everything in the lens of good vs evil. This show wasn’t about making the Jedi seem just as bad as the Sith. But it was a way to expose their flaws, and why they made the rules to counter them. The Brendokk incident shows us why the rules against emotional attachment exist, sol, and even a non Jedi like korill proved that people will be pushed to do horrible things in the pursuit of their attachments. And that’s why the rule was made, because this wasn’t the first time someone’s love for another in starwars indirectly caused the death of others, it happens so much and so often the Jedi have to to have a rule specifically to control a person’s attachments.
I think this opinion that the show's purpose was to paint the Jedi as just as bad, if not worse than the witches and the Sith, came from articles quoting the creator. By the time the show started people were primed to find evidence of it. And now with this reveal they'll need to double down instead of taking away the lessons.
@@wkadams88 The show runner, Leslye Headland, was going around saying that the show was going to portray the Jedi very negatively. I agree, a lot of people lack nuance and just expected 'Evil Jedi'
@ChrisMcCarroll I would argue that it has done so. So far, we've seen cover-ups, manslaughter, and gross incompetence, at a minimum. This doesn't even go into the more complicated factor of the disconnect between the members of the Jedi Order itself. The show could have done way better at showing it, but the Jedi of the Acolyte are dangerously flawed. If the whole order is made of these little dysfunctional groups, it's no wonder they fell so easily to Palpatine. This organization was primed to unravel.
I think part of the problem is the scale the audience expected. This is a more intimate story about a handful of people whose impact is mostly on each other, not the galaxy at large. The show needed to either explicitly show the wider impact of its implications for the galaxy or make its smaller scale more apparent to the audience before they pressed play.
This show could be a lot better with some small tweaks to its layout, release schedule, and advertising.
All I can think of with that mining facility made out of steel an stone catching fire was "the cost-cutting corrupt Contractor industry of star wars claims more lives. I think more people have died in star wars from faulty construction materials than died from lightsabers at this point"
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This is why the Star Wars galaxy needs OSHA so badly.
@@andrewhcit That an frickin guardrails. I mean, cmon! we've all seen the agility of captain Darth Frankenstein over there. All it's gonna take is one intern not putting up a wet floor sign and jimmy hate sand is gonna trip over himself on that cape he insists on wearing for "religious reasons". What if he accidentally pushes someone like grandpaw palpy into the engine core? What then? Insurance isn't gonna cover that.
Thank you Alan for working so hard and churning out daily contents for us. You're the best!
This was another episode that made me think The Acolyte might have worked stronger as a movie. It wouldn't be a quick fix, but it might have eased the clunkier aspects of episodes like this.
This is accurate, it just feels like that in an 8 episode show having a full flashback in the penultimate episode is out of place. I have a feeling someone will make an edit online of the show into a film and it makes more sense just like how that one person did it for the obi-wan show.
Or even just the episodes being released all at once, I think this is one of those shows that would've worked better as a binge.
I am not sure, one of the challenge with making this a movie is that you really have 3 main protagonist - Mae, Osha and Sol - and cutting stuff for the movie would requires to cut down on at least one of them otherwise you end up with a 3-hours movie and that just bad. But if you drop Mae you drop the assassination plot line and then suddenly the movie kind of fall apart.
You'll have to restructure the bad guy - if Mae was the Sith then this could make sense so far but I don't know if that would have the same messages.
@OrionInSpace even if they did not want to do a movie.. I feel if they could cut into 6 episodes it would quite similar to Loki series in runtime which worked better. Its long enough to keep fans engaged as well as give them enough content to research the lore and speculate and mull on the hints
What made you think that? Everything here points to a talentless group of hacks doing a job that is way over their head. Doesn’t matter if a movie or a TV show. These people do not understand and are not able to create quality Star Wars material.
How are we not talking about Indara and Sol lying to the Council and a child and place the blame of the whole mess at the feet of Mae and her dead family?
@@taylormadealpha because we already knew that happened. What they actually did was nowhere near as bad as it should’ve been to justify Torbin and Kelnacca’s reactions. Indara’s character didn’t seem consistent. Overall I’m just no longer interested in that whole thing because I didn’t find the episode engaging. Good, we’re over it now, only thing left is to see Osha fall to the dark side over a guy she just met, kill Sol and probably Mae, and then we’ll see Vern look all pensive and say something like the scales have tipped or whatever.
@@Fireandbubbles like I said before, all we saw in this episode is what Sol thinks happened. We still don't know what Qimir and his master know, or what Mae's perspective of the story is. After everything we've seen, you're going to take Sol's word as an objective truth as to what happened on Brendok? Even if he means well, he's an emotional wreck and he's almost certainly not seeing everything from anyone's perspective other than the Jedi's. On top of that, he's been lying about it for 16 years. At a certain point, humans start buying into their own bullshit. There are still missing pieces to this puzzle out there. We didn't always KNOW Indara was a "follow the book-go to the Council-only when she feels like it-otherwise lie and deceive" type of Jedi. All we knew was something happened on Brendok and someone was lying. This conversation only has Jedi perspectives, Sol, Torbin and Indaras.
Indara and Torbin are dead.
Besides, who's to say what justifies someone feeling that guilty. Let's take Sol's story as 100% accurate; the whining and impulsiveness of Torbin directly resulted in everything that happened on Brendok, all those deaths are on his conscience. Idk about you but that's pretty terrible. I knew of a person who accidentally killed one person in a car accident and he was unable to live with himself. Scale that up to an entire civilization wiped out. For all we know, he might be telling himself he helped creators genocide.
@@Fireandbubbles Tobin’s childish behaviour and Sol’s fear resulted in a genocide with 2 survivors - idk if you participate in genocide and then blame it on the victims you should feel Torbin and Kalnacca’s level of guilt. What’s disturbing is Sol has been living his normal life this whole time.
@@AuntyKsTarot that wasn’t a genocide. It was a battle. The witches killed themselves when they gave their life force to someone like Koril to control. The Jedi screwed up, but that word is too big for what happened here.
@@taylormadealpha you still think we’re getting another perspective? There is one thirty minute episode left, unless they give us a longer episode, but I don’t believe they will. What we got is all we’re getting about Brendock.
as a test i roughly cut ep 3 and 7 together as an hour long episode and then watched it as a pilot before rewatching the stuff that takes place in the 'present', and it works much better in this order
I think the witches purposefully amplified Torbin's wish to go home by sending him there ever so briefly, so much so he couldn't control it, thinking this would make the Jedi just leave, not realizing the dynamic that was already in play and how that would impact Torbin's actions.
The problem with the writing is that they write things because the story needs it to happen, not because it makes sense for a character to do it. That's why we constantly get acts that seem very out of character.
@@HeartoftheWinter for example?
Besides that, everything happens because the story needs it to happen, that's every book and movie and show in existence, they are all contrived. Luke never needed to destroy the death star because Luke isn't real, he exists solely as character to tell a story and he is the one to lead the rebellion to victory because the story wants it to be so.
But please elaborate
Like what?
@@katraapplesauce1203Thank you...I dislike those kind of comments. Like do people realize this isn't real life? 😂
This can be a valid point but maybe it you could give an example, it would help.
It might also be a good idea to wait until the season ends. It feels to me like episode 7 explained a hang of a lot.
@@sleinadb fr, like when the force literally allows Luke to win in episode 4, do people not think that this is contrived too? The force commonly acts as literal contrivancy generator in star wars to make certain things happen for the story or the plot, and that's okay, that's not actually an issue. If we would run the script of star wars in a realistic and non "contrived" way, not only is there no shot the rebels would win but all the protagonists would be dead half way through the movie, like please. Guarantee you Luke chewie,han and Leia wouldn't have a chance to survive the shootout in the prison corridor let alone anyone win the space battle against a moon sized battle station lmfao.
I really liked that episode actually. True that there was not a big reveal but sometime that OK, it shows that things can fall apart despite good intention due to fear.
Yeah I like the whole flashback arc because of the level of depth, and nuance each character had, and I like that it wasn't 1 person who was wrong. Everybody was understandable in what they did. And it was just this unfortunate coming together and clashing of all the differences in character that caused this problem that might define the rest of the future of the Galaxy.
Honestly I did too. It was great and showed how everyone is so different from back then, how much growing up they had to do and how much Brendok changed them all. Maybe aside from Indara lol.
Why does torbin drink the poison the Jedi didn’t really do anything wrong
@@philippemarcil2004 I am not negative towards it, too.
It was a solid. For me it was the weakest Episode, but not bad.
I think the flashbacks would have worked better if we gotten them sprinkled over the whole series. Maybe 10 minutes right at the start of each episode? But that probably means we would need longer or more episodes. Wouldn't be against either.
@@kittenconsumer9960 because he feels guilty for the whole situation. He feels that none of that would've happened if he didn't act emotionally and took the speeder to the Coven.
16:13 he’s homesick yes, but he is really afraid of this entire situation and she got in his head in a way he didn’t even know could happen.
There is a definite sense that there was someone who wrote the overarching story for the series and then a set of script writers who filled in the minute by minute details, and there is a definite skill gap between the two. For example where the story requires that something happens at the camp that causes Sol and Torbin to go to the witches base, the script has Torbin throwing a tantrum and Sol chasing after him. Or where the main story requires that the base ends up in flames and May gets blamed, the script has her literally set the entire base on fire with a single oil lamp. It's like the script was written in a caffeine-fueled haze the night before filming.
This episode shows how effective Jedi, and by extension Sith, training is. Random force cults can't fight Jedi, one Jedi can block attacks from 20 and another Jedi overpowered the entire cult and shut down their minds.
I guess only a few of the witches are really strong with the force!
except when they don't like when the padawan desired so much to go home that he jeopardized the complete mission or when that other knight got possessed to the point that she could kill the others.
There is a great story to be told exploring just how powerful the Jedi are, and how that has effected the Jedi order.
Why do they fight like it's a sparring match? Because honestly until they ran into another force user they can handle an entire platoon of soldiers single handedly without breaking a sweat.
Why do they take force sensitive children? Because these children are born with the equivalent of a neucular weapon and have the potential to destroy entire worlds.
@@yiledute The Jedi are trained from infancy to be warriors at peace with killing. Their shadow form is vulnerable to lightsabers, It took the entire coven to control a Jedi and One Jedi overpowered the Power of Many.
@@kegorator1 The paradox is the Jedi make force users more lethal and dangerous with highly militarized training from infancy.
Teenage padawan can block attacks from all, 20's knight instictively slays a witch in shadowform and the master can psychically kill an entire coven sharing power like it's no big deal.
So the "power of two" referred to by Qimir in the previous episode, I assumed was the Sith rule of two and/or to become the master of the Sith, but instead im thinking he covets the vergance of the twins. This is the power of two.
I realised this listening to the lyrics of the song in the credits
I'm more sympathetic towards Torbin than most I think. Because I would hate to be stuck in the middle of nowhere with the same three people for two months doing mind numbing tasks I don't understand without time off.
You’re also not a Jedi who’s been training since 4 years old
@@AndresLopez-vf2fs Jedi might have a high tolerance for boredom and homesickness, but not an immunity, and everyone needs a break.
@@Mr-Rinn Didn't Mother Aniseya curse Torbin with homesickness on steroids? Isn't that why he became consumed with getting home? Still not clear on that..
@@Mr-Rinn maybe if they said 6 months vs 7 weeks it’d be more believable
Why are Jedi even doing this? Shouldn’t it be left to survey crews? How many Jedi exist, exactly, in this era that they can spare them to do these jobs?
Torbin was cursed by Mother Aniseya, that's why he acted erratically.
My headcannon is that the possession leaves a dark side taint. Torbin was meditating to cleanse himself, Kelnacca isolated himself and the madness was written on the walls.
She also seemed to have cursed the script too.
He also reminded me a teenager...and I believe most teens, after being a on a 7 week long camping trip, would get pretty antsy and very annoying.
@@kaygee2121 Teens don't need 7 weeks camping to become annoying 😅
@@agathisrobusta exactly...so mulltiply that by 7 🤣
Mother Aneseya was a great Mother. 😢
True but so was Koril.
True. All of them were scared of the other.
Underappreciated character, and great actress. Should have had a bigger role/more screen time.
For me the episode delivered. It continues to show how not really infallible the jedi actually are and how it lead to their destruction. They got involved in something they didn't understand, something they couldn't control, and instead of learning to live with it, they ended up killing everyone. Torbin is such an example, despite all his power, training he was still a stubborn, lacking impulse, childish kid with a powergrip who thought he could take on all the witches.
We finally got our Jedi Wookie fight and I'm satisfied
I enjoy your take on this series far more than any other Star Wars channel I watch. You will critique, but not nit-pick every single detail that sucks. I appreciate that you're not giving a full review until it's over, and that you're taking the good with the bad. It's very refreshing since most of the other channels are just crapping all over this series without the full picture. Yes there are many things that are bad in this series such as dialog, pacing, and some acting, but it's new Star Wars that is giving us new insight to the galaxy far far away. Thank you for you videos and commentary.
Alan, love you and your videos. Framing the real world through your lore knowledge and interpretation of the shows is really enlightening, cheers!
I would really like to see a discussion between Allen and Star Wars Theory about this show.
That would be interesting😊
@@seeerr5570 I think they both make some good points and it would be interesting to see what they could agree/disagree on after discussing it.
I love your channel because you’re actually analyzing the show instead of throwing a hissy fit
Who is having hissy fits? Every negative review I have seen is pretty analytical.
@@chocomalk Considering every top youtube comment is from channels who made mexican jokes at andor before it came out and cried woke all the time and then went silent?? Lol also why do you think hes talking about them
@@Crocthunder what?
@@Crocthunderso you didn't look at any other review channels got it.
Tho it fell flat in a few things, i did enjoy the episode. And i appreciated the fleshing out of Indara and her motivations, and the idea that for once, the institution of the Jedi was essentially giving the correct instructions for once. I do agree that the show suffers from issues, from a lore perspective it was and is still quite interesting and gives some more meat to the period. From a quality perspective, its certainly not the best, but its also not the worst. It had to grow on me a little, but i can appreciate it for its ideas, even if the execution was not as good as in other shows. And in the end, i do feel entertained, and that is everything i am asking for, those 40ish minutes tend to fly for me.
Was surprised they didn't turn the Jedi evil in this. Was fully expecting that. But at their worst they we're reckless
Because despite what people say Disney is trying to do, the Jedi aren’t evil, but they can be misguided at times. Like it’s giving into personal desires and not considering the consequences.
yes. the jedi usually not evil, but reckless. reckless because of their arrogance and ignorance. thus leading to their fall in episode 3
and corrupt
It's essentially the same message as the prequels. The jedi are out of touch but good intentioned. Eventually the sith destroy them for it.
@@theawesomeman9821 I wouldn’t say corrupt because that implies ill will within the leadership of the order and that’s just not the case. It’s hubris more than corruption
I have to say that when Sol and Indara stand in the forest and talk about not confusing Torbins feelings for his own. The way Sol touches his face, his posture and his breathing made me feel like it was super real. I am almost 100% this is something that was either improvised by the actor or he actually had an itch and they decided to keep it. As it felt really great, it almost didn't feel like acting.
In regards to you talking about the lack of cohesivness in the show, Tim Cain (creator of the original Fallout game) put out a video today talking about the importance of sticking to the vision and how you can have many talented people working on a project but if there is no central vision then things can fall apart.
I think these shorter seasons/series suffer when they flip flop back and forth between directors. I know tv shows back in the day had others guest direct and even actors come off stage and direct episodes. But there was connection...and much longer seasons.
Good episode. Sol seemed creepily predatory in his obsession with "protecting Osha", causing him to have a Travis McMichael moment. I don't think this was a complete Brendok reveal.
@@anthonymorris4211 what else is left to tell? I agree that the story doesn’t feel complete, but there’s only 30 minutes left.
@@FireandbubblesQimir's Brandok and Jedi connections. Koril's fate and the meeting of Mae and Qimir. Supposedly there's now gonna be a season 2.
@@anthonymorris4211 not sure I want it now
@@Fireandbubbles you don't want them to slow the episode progression by stretching the narrative across even more episodes. I would be fine with just one more episode if it ties everything together. Could Ep 8 be extended? Hopefully.
@@Fireandbubbles Why not? Why not WANT them to improve, tv shows back in the day wernt all perfect, even the peak ones, they had weak seasons sometimes
The wookie combat was great
How a padawan survived that though? My head canon is just that the witches are somehow not as capable fighting with their puppet than a fully aware wookie jedi could.
@@infinitego I like that
It was a marvel movie fight. Shite.
@@SirClerihewI don’t think it was bad. The wookie was attacking while both sol and Torbin weren’t trying to kill him just defending themselves. The choreography wasn’t horrible.
One has to remember that Kelnacca WASN’T the one to fight the Jedi, it was the coven that took over his mind. He was merely a puppet to them and wasn’t acting at his peak. Based on the context of “his” fight with the Jedi, I’d would estimate the witches are using 75% of his total capabilities tops (maybe 80%). Which as we can see still makes him a deadly opponent but not using the most optimal of his abilities.
Of course if he was truly acting at his peak he WOULDN’T be fighting against his companions whatsoever.
If they made what the Jedi did more controversial, they would be getting 10x more backlash. Alot of the backlash Disney and the team have been getting is that they are making Jedi to be “the bad guys” and/or not showing them in the best light.
With how the fan base is, I do not think there was ever going to be anything but a no-win situation for the creators. I also think this series would have been better if all of the episodes were released at once
yeah i think this increasingly is becoming a problem, let's ignore the crazies from the culture war for a second, there are so many different generation of fans who come to star wars for different things. They really have to be more bold in their own direction, and hopefully if they can reach excellence than it will silence the hates. Because ultimately shows like Andor I think will rebound, and the second season will have better viewership... fingers crossed
Toxicity amongst fans exists, no doubt. That’s true in many fandoms. But only this show had a diss track ready to go. It’s like it was carefully crafted to stoke negativity.🤷♂️
This isn’t Rue in Hunger Games, that was ridiculous as the casting was straight from the book. This is just hard to follow writing.
@@GenerationTechThe lack of a clear singular vision has plagued this show from start to finish, which is more a result of the constant need to churn out new content at any cost than a culture war.
Hopefully a lesson is learned and Disney will adopt a strong show runner and take a tighter rein on IP management going forward, much like Lucas did when he ran the franchise.
I don't get those people. KOTOR 2: TSL is considered one of the best star wars story out there, and it paints the jedi in a VERY CRITICAL light. Especially Atris and Kavarr.
Like sure some people take it too far and say "Kreia was Right." Kreia wasn't right. She was a teacher though. The whole game is a teacher in how to handle trauma in a healthy manner - with Kreia, Nihilus, Sion and Atris/Council being the bad examples to avoid, canon Surik the "ideal" and your companions showcasing various ways to cope with trauma.
Generally, the message of KOTOR 2 TSL, ignoring Ayn Rand political stuff, is that the best way to heal from trauma is through community and mutual aid with others who also suffer, as they can understand one another. Healing others, one can heal themselves. This is where Surik's power comes from.
Altho, I'm confident that if KOTOR 2:TSL released today - the culture war people and the rabid fans would hate it for "lore breaking" lmao.
As someone that’s been a fan since the original trilogy, I feel the same way. I feel like a lot of the fans seem to focus too much on things that mean nothing. I mean, is it seriously that big of a deal to have a witch coven that doesn’t have any men and that have women in relationships with each other? Even if you don’t agree with that lifestyle, why let that make you hate the show? It doesn’t make a ton of sense in my opinion at least. It’s just one aspect of a few characters. Yet people talk like it’s one of the reasons that Disney is “ruining” Star Wars.
I like to see anything that shows more about this galaxy, shows more about why the Jedi are who they are and believe what they believe. Even the sequel movies, which are far from perfect, still shows things that are interesting and offers explanations about things that had happened in the original trilogy and even the prequels. There is always something new and interesting to dive into on your own. Whether you enjoy the shows or not. They still have value in them.
Disney series shows give you a lot of background stories of things that couldn’t be focused on or explained in the movies. That’s what I enjoy. I also find myself just hoping that the fans will eventually start to enjoy these shows, or just appreciate specific characters and the actors that played them. The actors don’t deserve the hate they get so often. Heck, people hated Hayden for being Anakin/Vader when the prequels came out. They hated Jar Jar so much it really affected the man that played him. But now, both of them, especially Hayden, is almost universally loved by all fans of Star Wars. I hope people eventually feel the same way about some of the characters that so many of them say they hate in the Disney series and the movies.
I have been thinking recently, about how art interacts with people (and vice versa). If one loves something - if it moves, or speaks to them in a significant way - nothing can challenge their relationship to that thing. I know "State and Main" is David Mamet's best film, and the fact it is the least critically acclaimed of his works does nothing to diminish my perspective of it as one of the great movies of all time. I am well aware 95% of cinema-goers have never even heard of "Cradle Will Rock", despite its cast having more major movie and theater awards than any other cast in history, and it does not challenge my knowledge it is a masterpiece of cinema. We need no validation in our love of things.
What fascinates me, is how differently these cultures of hate, that have bloomed around so many artistic endeavors in the last two decades, behave, and the need for validation they seem to manifest. Why, I wonder, is the opinion something "is utter trash" so very fragile. Why is anyone who has a divergent opinion of Star Wars, or thinks "Game of Thrones" was still better than most shows, even after it stopped being great, met always with unabashed vitriol and cliche labels like "shill"?
Everyone enjoys having other people share views. We find solace and connection in shared perspectives and experiences, so it is natural for people who love a thing to want to share that thing with others. We also see it, on some level, as giving a gift by sharing something beautiful. Hate, conversely, shares no such motivations. Wanting others to hate what you hate is, at best, like forcing someone to smell your farts. So, why do such people need everyone to agree with them so completely and aggressively? I can see no reason - unless it is not actually about the experience of the art at all, but rather something purely ideological, which merely attempts to utilize some art to burrow its way into the lives of others.
The one big thing they never explained was why the rock fortress burst into flames.
Electrical fire seems like, the electrical cables were shown shorting out around the door when the fire was spreading, that could have spread through the cabling across the entire complex. Eventually leading to a cascade failure finally hitting the main reactor. I’m guessing the old abandoned mining facility didn’t have proper safeguards against fire hazards.
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@@lso8000 The irony is that one of the main characters is named OSHA.
@@Jeankule haha they didn’t have OSHA regulations implemented yet before the hyperspace disaster lol
Last night made me think more about Abeloth. The witches can just turn into black smoke and fuse together or disappear, it gives more questions than answers. Is the power of many just one being that is dividing itself into many? Next week will probably be epic and leave us with a cliffhanger so I already know we need that season 2
If they had a main characters that emote when they act would be nice however season two has confirmed been cancelled already
Didn't mother Talzin do some similar stuff? They do make a comment about them being night sisters but it wasn't established as de facto explanation just what one character though.
@@kittenconsumer9960source: _trust me bro_
When I first saw the mask with the teeth that's the image that popped in my mind. Abeloth...
@@kittenconsumer9960 False. They have confirmed work on season 2 has already been started. The creator said they have an outline for 4 seasons.
Torbin: "I don't like soil. It's moist and smells weird." Yet another Jedi lost to the dark side due to dirt.
That planet is dark side force heavy (which is why the witches picked this planet). Using these gadgets shows they are trying to find out what is going on not realizing the danger they are exposed to, i.e. they are not well equipped. This is how all their underlying traits get exposed - aggressiveness (Wookie), emotion (Sol), Torbin is a child. And so, they all get confused/disturbed which is why this episode is confusing - as confused as the Jedi. Indara keeps her cool. The planet is one single Dagobar cave. I am thinking.
I didn't think about it that way ,but it does make sense . Yoda was being sounded by that same energy and his mental health started to deteriorate
My only problem with this theory is that the Jedi would/should “feel” it being heavy in the Darkside and acknowledge it as such.
but then someone among the thousands of jedi should've felt something before even entering the planet, there shouldn't be a doubt that the force was something strong there. A complete planet that is dark force heavy should be something that masters should be able to sense, specially since we have seen these jedi use powers that other jedi haven't used as easily in other movies and shows, meaning that they are stronger than the average jedi.
I really like this idea but don’t think that there’s any thing in the script that supports it
Again with people making up head cannon to explain this horrible show. When was the plantet being dark side energy ever mentioned? It's a plantet that's is flourishing with LIFE due to force if anything it's a light side planet.
I must say that I actually enjoy your content because of the fact that you discuss what works and what doesn't work in the show instead just trashing the show like some content creators do. Thanks. I also find the videos provide me with clarity of what's going on that I might have overlooked due to not being well versed in all of Star Wars lore. Thanks.
Every Jedi made their mistake on this planet by causing harm. When I first watched, I actually believed Master Indara had killed all the witches. By forcing them out of Kelnacca’s mind, I think she sent back a powerful force blow to all of them, killing them. She seemed the most powerful Jedi there, the most in control of her emotions, who could easily cause death to save her colleagues. She also regards Torbin coldly afterwards, which is understandable, and suggests that they lie to the council. Torbin never gets to fully heal, and who knows what happened to his relationship with his master afterwards.
I loved watching this episode. We knew what was comming for 3 episodes, but we didn't know, how it'll play out in the end. From what has happened, we knew that the jedi were involved in a way, that the jedi felt guilty for how it played out and the mistakes that they made. We knew (from Qimirs perspective), that everything that happened in episode 3 was the jedis fault and they are the ones to blame for what happened. The show directed us in the direction to think, that the jedis could/will be the villians in the plot of this season. But in the end, in episode 7 we learned, that it was more like a tragedy, where many parts come together to form the disaster. You can definitly blame the Jedi/Torbin/Sol for what has happened, but also mother koril and in a way, also even mae for their actions. Overall there was not a specific good and bad side, it was more like people just reacted with their best intentions, on what they thought would be the best for the kids, while everyone mixed his actions, with their personal preferences. Mae wants Osha to staiy, so she is trying to stop her from going in a not really well thought way, like kids would do (please kids, dont burn houses down, because you want something). Mother Koril wants the girls to stay with the witches, because she fears the jedi and also worries about the tribe of the witches and probably doesnt wanna loose her girls as a mother. Sol fears the witches would do something bad to the girls and wants to safe them (espacially Osha) from the witches, while he also wants to take Osha as a Padawan, because he feels a connection through the force to her (maybe in a similar way, like Qui Gon did with Anakin, while he is way less experienced and way more attached to his feelings and emotions). Overall, even though I knew what has had to happen in this episode, it suprised me how it played out and it also explained some concerning questions, like why all the witches were gatherd in a room & dead in Episode 3, while there were no major wounds, or burned body parts to see, which could have ended in some major plotholes pretty easily (like it happened in Shows like Obi Wan).
But after this episode there are still some questions up to answer, like how did Mae survive this episode, how did she met Qimir and in which direction is the show about to go, after this plot is finished and we end up in the situation, we are currently in after episode 6.
And btw. please ignore mistakes in grammar or spelling, as im from germany and this is not my native language :D
Hope I still could get my points & view on this episode across ^^
Understood just fine.
Somehow Palpatine, make that Mae, returned
This show was a queen high pair of twos bluffing to be a Royal Flush.
Congrats! Like most of the whiney man babies, you said a lot of words that only a tenth of people understood and added fucking nothing of substance to any conversation whatsoever.
So true
Agreed, and that means that Kenobi, Boba Fett and Ahsoka were 5 random cards, and balls the size of Jupiter (or more precisely, a total lack of respect for the fans).
@@OswaldPHaygoodall hands are five random cards
The way I saw it, the whole thing was basically set up by Aniseya. She told Torbin she would give him a way to go home, then the following morning hand delivered him the proof of the vergence they were looking for via the twins blood, which he acted on immediately and that night was on his way home to Coruscant. I think thats why he takes the barash vow cause he knows its all his fault taking the deal with Aniseya when she offers him a way to go home.
I enjoyed the episode. I was confused a bit by that scene with Koril and Mae. It felt like it was outta left field for half the covan to be aggressive. But I still liked the episode, and with the small details of Sol lurking around the place was really cool. The fire was indeed caused by Mae, and no one progressed it further it was just a fire spiraling out of control. The fighting outside had enough time to pass for the fire to get worse. It's clear both sides were flawed that led to the collapse of the Covan. Sol ultimately letting Mae die was also crazy.
So they expected us to accept that Indara couldn't be bothered to explain the mission after 7 weeks to her Padawan Torbin and allows him to whine like a little child?
I'm not a huge critic of the show, but wow that was such a poorly written scene. Whoever directed this did the worst job so far and it was the most important episode
not like Luke whined when yoda didnt explain everything to him on dagobah, right?
“Need to know basis” yadda yadda.
I can accept that he was homesick and was whiny about it. Not the first time we've seen whining in SW. We just met Indara and she knows her Padawan best. What was she supposed to do, beat him lol. I can see the comments now. We haven't spent enough time with the character to definitively know what she'd do in a given situation. We do know that she defers to the Council but isn't above lying and covering things up.
Accept*
I love the emotion and point of view of this episode. I loved the interplay of themes of family and conflicting institutions. I was hit hard by how hubris, ego and violence destroyed all these lives. I feel the episode was compelling and effective.
It was. I was hit with so much unexpected things.
I figured Torbin was kinda like Anakin in that he has someone special (an attachment) back on Coruscant that he's desperate to visit.
Also just noting that the way Mother Koril apparated away at the end, looked almost identical to how Mother Talsin escaped several times during the clone wars.
Torbins reaction would fit with a teenager. He probably thinks by heading to the convert he can get evidence so he can go home
Jedi are trained to be devoid of emotion and to follow orders (code). It was completely out of character for how a Jedi would react, even a young Jedi. It’s an example of one of the many flaws that take away from what had the potential to be a great series.
Well, he's an idiot, the evidence he needed was in his hands. The girl's blood samples showing their 100% matching "symbionts" or whatever but, just like everything else the writers tried to set up in this show it was completely forgotten about with absolutely no payoff. The girls themselves are meaningless without the blood sample data to show that they're "special".
I’m a little disappointed that this whole thing happened because of a homesick padawan and an overzealous, over protective mother. Mother Aniseya shouldn’t have messed Torbins mind, that probably led with Sol acting the way he did.
Torbin is basically Starlord all-over again 😅
I was just about to type out this really long essay-length comment about how much I appreciate and enjoy Generation Tech videos, but eh I'm sure you guys get enough of those.
Instead, I'll just say this: Thank you very much for making my day better with yet another entertaining and informative video about my favorite fictional universe. I hope all of you there have a great day today and I look forward to the next video that you upload. ❤
The show doesn't use an "unreliable narrative", they use an "incomplete narrative". We didn't see any points of view that changed what we saw earlier, we just were given new details. They could have combined episode 3 and 7 into one episode, presented it at the beginning of the series and the Acolyte would be far better.
In Episode 3, we were shown that Mae set the fire deliberately and told Osha:"I will kill you."
In Episode 7, we see that it was an accident and Mae never threatened to kill her sister.
You nailed my exact thoughts on the episode and I've likewise been one who has enjoyed the show for the most part. The story just didn't merit the unreliable narrator and the payoff was not enough to justify so much leadup to this. Torbin running off too just felt strange even when knowing he's been stuck in the middle of nowhere for a couple of months doing work he sees no purpose in. (But admittedly that does show how the Jedi started to get too wrapped up in their need for nobility.)
Sidebar: As a historian myself, I'm happy after so much time to finally have someone agree with my review of Dunkirk. I always thought the disjointed narrative in that movie completely ruined it and made it so even my partner leaned over and asked me during the movie: "Wait...who are they fighting again?" It's a device I don't think lends itself to most projects, particularly historical ones. It could have worked in The Acolyte but the murder mystery just wasn't strong enough to justify it.
Just wanted to add to another comment I left on one of your videos (about the wit and intelligence of your analyses). There’s a real difference between your commenters and the commenters of hater reactions. Here there be open minds and wisdom, and I’m here for it.
The problem is this episode took 7 episode to unravel (we already guess it since episode 4), when they can gave small flashback on previous episode. This episode should be just the confirmation of what happened in Brendok.
Master Sol is a classic example of the hubris of the Jedi in their belief that taking a child from a family for a greater cause is a justifiable excuse for depriving a person of love. Sol's own need for love overwhelmed his sense of moral obligation to the Jedi code. He saw Osha as an avatar for his displacement and struggle as a child Jedi initiate and works to fix his own trauma by preventing her future struggle as the loving parent he never had. He's desperate to save himself through her. Mirrors Anakin's journey.
Hubris of the jedi? You see this is perfect example how people try to demonize the jedi any chance they get why? Sol doesn't represent the jedi infact the jedi council and the master there are telling Sol he is over stepping. How how is the whole jedi order getting involved in Sols weird behavior?
It's an extension of the message of the prequels and the clone wars. The jedi had become so out of touch from being in power for so long they couldn't see how leading clones to their death in their hundreds of thousands would build resentment.
We have seen all these fantastic Jedi obi wan Yoda etc who the code works for. But anakin was a clear example of how the code didn't work. Anakin is a tragedy. But there a lot of other mid tier jedi like sol who it also doesn't work for and it leads to problems.
Anakin was so powerful however that when the code didn't work for him it wasn't a problem it was a catastrophe
@@bobbybrown1258 The Jedi leading the clones didn't build resentment in the clones. We have been shown repeatedly the clones liked the Jedi and were proud to fight along side them, and that the Jedi liked the clones and treated them well. The clones were designed from the start to battle the Jedi: they had a chip in their brain that activated deeply buried brain washing. It wasn't resentment that fueled order 66, it was Sith planning. If Anakin had followed the code then everything would have been fine. That is the entire point. His straying from the code is what caused him to fall to the dark side. Good had won. The Sith had finally been defeated, after a thousand years of conspiring they had victory in their grasp but the last remaining Sith master was being struck down. Order 66 had not happened and while many Jedi had been killed the war was finally over, the Republic would have healed and gone on with their Jedi protectors for another thousand generations and beyond. But Anakin failed to follow the code and he fell to the dark side. And with him fell the entire galaxy.
@@karatos you didn't pay enough attention. It's well established in lore and canon the clones were more than happy to turn on the jedi. It was rare generals like obi wan and anakin that they respected because the jedi valued them. But often jedi would charge I to battle medieval style which we see in the clone wars and just get loads of clones killed
@@bobbybrown1258 bad batch and the clone wars show both Confirm the clones were brainwashed due to a chip. Your lying and spreading misinformation fans that know the lore will call you out bro.
Thanks Alan 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
I'm glad we have you to make a more level-headed review for of this show. There are so many out there that are clearly just rage-baiting and hating on it for ridiculous reasons. I'm glad you actually put in the time and use your background to describe what is good an bad about the show from a cinematic perspective
I love your reviews. Some content creators just create hate reviews for the clicks. You’re fair, analytical, and it makes a lot of sense. Good work!
Torbin pulling his stupid move was 100% because of what Mother Aniseya did to his mind. How is this even in question?
Nope. According to him his mind was Fortified. Which means he did it on his own. They couldn't even enter his mind again.
@@johannessmith93 I'm not sure, I think Yord saying "he gets into your mind and stays there" was trying to set the idea that once the witches possessed you, they still have some influence over you, which can also explain why Kelnacca had drawings of the Witches symbols all over his home. Still, it's not clear at all, this writting is all over the place.
@@johannessmith93 fortified against future attacks, it wasn't stated that he been complete freed of the original one.
@@johannessmith93 , he already lost the mind game. even if he fix it, he is not the same person as before.
@@johannessmith93 Yeah according to him, how could he possibly know whether his mind was compromised or not?
I love the way you try to rationalize poor writing.
I love the way you try to rationalize how much of a bigot you are
@@reddishcarp1237 please explain in all your wisdom how I'm a bigot by what I wrote ?
@@reddishcarp1237When all else fails, call people names. STFU
I honestly kinda liked it. It was like watching a trainwreck you can't look away from. You know what will happen, you're watching it for the impact, the emotional impact on the characters. And that was very strong.
Disney must have fired every competent person they had.....
Nice, been eagerly waiting for this video!!
Man I am trying to get on board with this show but they keep making it hard for me. The Jedi acted like emotional idiots and everything seems not well thought out. The power of the dark side is indeed powerful I am starting to turn
It's just keeps getting worse. This show has no respect for the world Lucas built.
@@John_Locke_108 Lucas had no respect for the world Lucas built. He didn't covet it like a gospel. He changed stuff all the time. Then he sold it because people bullied him about the prequels.
I believe a lot of the issue is that the writers gave themselves an out and didn't take it. If the "vergence" isn't well understood, it may be the cause of the imbalance. But if the writers are implying there are more emotionally volatile Jedis like Anakin in the Order, then that should've been better highlighted by Venestra and Sol's interactions.
@@John_Locke_108 I love how Alan keeps proving you guys wrong over and over again yet you alway hyperbole it out to this. Man the shows rough but it certainty isnt made by nonfans
That’s funny! I haven’t finished watching yet, but when you were talking about how Sol’s compassion and sensitivity went hand-in-hand, I KNEW you were relating to yourself. Your compassion shines in every video you do, and I’ll bet the mean comments really hurt you. I wish we could protect you from them, but you said it yourself. You have to try to desensitize yourself, because you can’t control the environment, especially in this line of work. Your videos are always uplifting and positive and I, for one, really appreciate and enjoy them.
I haven't been vocal about it but I keep agreeing with your takes almost 100%. Appreciate you and what you are doing.
I have too many questions to have ANY hope of seeing them all answered in episode 8. 😫
@@user-zl9sh9mz6h I don’t even know how they are going to resolve the stuff they have to in the next episode. I definitely don’t expect anything to feel resolved.
This episode feels like waste of screentime. We don't get much and now there is only 1 episode left. It explains how witches died (although I bet ppl will still question it, how Trinity disconnected them 😆). But in the end, how Sol's story could affect Mae? She burned the town, but didn't kill anyone and she knows this unlike to Osha. Her revenge is still justified? That flashback should have been told to Osha, not Mae.
I don't have the same cinematic pedigree as Alan (as in none) but I was more than mildly impressed with episode 7 and enjoyed it very much. my favorite was when Osha's mother told Sol that she was planning to let Osha go with no violence. That really resonated with me. She was portrayed as very loving and fair minded. The good black witch! I love it!❤
Remember everyone: Kathleen Kennedy said that when she read the script to this show, she CRIED. This story was so powerful and moving to her that it brought her to tears!
Nope don't remember. Show us. So we can remember too.
P.S. Much like Kenobi, it had cool parts but ultimately falls flat at the end.
Exactly even with people grasping at the good parts, it’s still a disaster with no regard for what came before and paved the way for it to exist in the first place.
@@Seven_Kingdoms77also the dialogue and overall plot are just so uninspiring
@@20th_century_Ghost Kenobi was another bad port from movie script to series. Just like this show. That said, I find Kenobi entertaining. This show hinges so much on its gimmick that it can fall a lot flatter.
@@Seven_Kingdoms77 "Disaster" see this is the problem , its just mid, we will move on, there will be good shows/movies eventually and just forget about it while fans like sure . That is it and you added a bunch of bullshit a the end that Alan disproves constantly, did you WATCH the video
@@Crocthunder Well maybe learn how to write a sentence and spell before you come after what I said, because I can’t argue with stupid lmao
One thing I definitely had an issue with was the reveal of torbins face scar.
Usually with a big pronounced scar like that they have a big moment where they highlight how exactly they got it. However in this case there was no highlighted moment. I watched his face very closely throughout that fight and it just popped up out of nowhere after he got slammed into the wall then tossed across the room.
@@natercrash4140 yup.
Sometimes big revelations of scars are a bit overly dramatic and this kind of subtle way is something I liked better.
@@harshalpatil1209 ya it's definitely down played but I think they under played it too much. It just popped up out of nowhere. Like it had no significance whatsoever.
I like that your critique is about how it stands as a "story/plot" and not how it conforms to lore (that is lore "from a certain point of view" that many reviewers have, and can't let go)
Overall I like Acolyte, it could have been done better, but as a Star Wars show it works for me. Especially this episode.
Have the Padawan ask questions about the different devices and how they work towards the goal they are trying to achieve. Have the council want them to investigate against the master’s wishes and that’ll make the padawan want to go find the girls faster (hence driving off in the speeder). Have the fight happen but let the mother turn into her second form and attack the insurgents and have them all battle and ultimately some of the other witches. Have the wookie get taken over and fight the Jedi. Have the padawan after almost dying and going through trauma lose his mind essentially and go berserk ultimately killing and blowing up the entire mountain before being brought back by the masters and it still looking like Mae did it. Do this and it’s somewhat saved lol.
They literally rereleased episode 3 and thought we wouldn’t notice? We had like what 7 minutes of new information? In a story that is already painfully short and condensed to a point where character development and motivations are largely skipped over
Thank you for acknowledging that this show has a writing and pacing issue
He’s been doing that from the start
You’re always able to perfectly articulate nearly my exact thoughts on this show
Thank you. As someone who just hasn’t enjoyed the storytelling of this show, I really wanted an opinion from someone that’s enjoyed the show or at least had a neutral view. I hope that someone who truly loves Star Wars can create the next big show or movie
A lot of good happens when people understand each other, and a lot of evil happens when people fail to do so. This episode illustrates this nearly perfectly. All of the tragic things that happened in this event happened because neither side was willing to sit down, have a conversation, and come to a true understanding of the situation. Fear and dogma got in everyone's way and lead to tragedy.
I like your channel. Nice job.
Allen,
Thank you for your reviews of the series. I will say I do not love the series, I still enjoyed it. With all these haters lately regarding the show, I so much appreciate your constructive review. Saying what is wrong when needed but praising wgat work when it does too. I recently realized most starwars fans would be sith, but you, my good sir, I believe would be a true jedi.
Like your nuance, and substance in your review. Rare in this climate.
I have to disagree with you on your take about murder mysteries requiring an unpredictable twist at the ending. A good murder mystery will give the audience all the clues they require to come to the correct the solution by themselves before the big reveal. The ending is supposed to confirm that you came to the correct conclusions on your own. Doing some weird unpredictable twist ending comes from directors who feel the need to trick their audience or who want to show off how much smarter they are.
Either way, The Acolyte doesn't deliver on either ends of the spectrum. The "mystery" is so obvious that the reveal falls flat. There is no thinking involved. And if they wanted the twist to be "the Jedi are evil" they failed with that, too, since the Council clearly told Sol to drop the issue and leave. And Sol's view of the coven as some spooky cult was justified from an outside perspective, so he didn't act entirely irrationally either.
Honestly I have no idea where the idea that this was a mystery show came from. They answer every question seconds after they ask it.. there is no time taken to bulld any tension at all.
@@kegorator1 From the official description for the show, which I would file as false advertisement.
Exactly, Sol was right the coven is an evil cult doing evil culty things. Like breaking the minds of Torbin and Kalnecca. Sol was sort of out ofnline in the beginning of the whole incident, and clearly his choice to hold up the bridge rather than grab the girls is wrong and stupid. But he wasn't wrong about the cult.
@@Bloodfencer1990 Agreed.
I actually don’t think Sol’s view of the witches was justified. His dogmatic adherence to the Jedi code is why he was only ever prepared to see the witches as harmful to the twins. For once, the council was right in its pronouncements but the Jedi as a whole produce the kind of views that Sol has.
If they would have combined both episode 3 and 7 then it would have been better imo
watching them together is kind of interesting
maybe, i wish we had seen mea's perspective, and i wanna see how mea met quimir
Even if they had remained separate, but had the season started with them. Give us a little base understanding moving forward. Doesn't feel worth the wait for an Episode 7 of 8
I think the whole thing would be better if they released the whole thing at once and not in a weekly format.
Wish Kagoroo would use the camera more dramatically - pretty stale, pisspoor cinematography
The pop song at the end!! 😂
Before the episode aired I thought the show would’ve been better if we never had the third episode and this episode confirmed my thoughts. The third episode should’ve been flashbacks during the other first four episodes only or not shown at all
I now feel my main problem with this show is it needed to be 2x-3x longer. where is the storyline that explains Torbins mom is on her deathbed and the Jedi uppers are not allowing him to return to be with her while she dies? Where is the storyline that explains why a 10-year-old girl on an abandoned planet would even know what a Jedi is, let alone have a good impression of them. Remember Chewbacca? He had a personality. He had frustrations, joys, he cared for his friends, and friends joked around with one another.. not this Wookiee. He was a robot. He Died... I don't care...I don't care about most of the characters. Everything feels contrived, no character motivations make sense because there is no backstory to explain anything. To be clear this isn't my only problem with the series, Just the biggest.
I don't think this is the absolute truth either. What we saw today is Sol's or even the Jedi's perspective of what went down on Brendok. We still don't have Mae's version of events, we don't know what Qimir knows or if he was there, what he saw. It will be his version of events or his Master's version of events that is closest to the truth because they're not directly involved in the conflict between the Coven and the Jedi. They're outside observers. This channel has done a great job of analysis, and again this week. Don't jump the gun because as you've been saying, we need the entire season to have a complete picture of what's going on. I think four hour long episodes would have made it better but, I'm still enjoying the show. If Qimir and or Sol survive the season, I'd really love to see a season 2.
I don't think Qimir's backstory was related to Brendok at all, and the showrunner has implied that his backstory won't be revealed until Season 2.
@@andrewxu3602 not his entire backstory, just what it is he knows or saw on Brendok. We still don't have his or Mae's perspective on things.
@@taylormadealpha I think he only knows what Mae told him
@@andrewxu3602 that's just it; how do we know that those two extra hooded figures from episode 3 weren't Qimir and his Master? It seems like he knows more about the story than she does. Why is it he that is always telling Mae and Osha that he's going to reveal something to them?
@@taylormadealpha He tells Osha that, I don't think he ever told that to Mae
I have had a really issue trying to find someone who could talk about this show properly and by that I mean actually watching it and understanding what the show is showing us before you come with the what's bad about it.
So many people who are talking bad about the show are either misinterpreted or clearly missing things that they saying they don't like about the show.
You did it the right way You watched everything and you gave a perfect explanation of what was wrong with the show that I agree with
Great analysis! Thank you for your deep and thoughtful response and review.