As a fellow DCAU lover I thank you from the bottom of my heart for this video! It cleared up a lot of questions I had about BTAS, TNBA and JLU! It's also amazing to see another person so passionate and particular about the shows we all love so much! We CARE! As soon as that Joker quote came up near the end of the video, the comment about the ears being too long I was like THANK YOUUU! SOMEONE ELSE NOTICED! The ROTJ movie and the JLU Wild Card two parter, not to mention the other JL episodes the Joker was featured in always made my head explode, just because of that one line! Plus I think this is the only subject that I'm able to think about and follow as fast as you were able to talk. Awesome work!
Any time, my friend! I have an eternal, special place in my heart for these shows. Conroy will always be my Batman, Hamill will always be my Joker. I swear I wouldn't have my UA-cam show now without those guys, not to mention Dini, Timm and the rest of the creative crew! Do excuse me while I binge watch the rest of your stuff that I can't believe I haven't found until now! Mwhahahahaaa!!
Aaaahhh I see.... so you think that you get to decide what is important to other people? Not to mention what this guy has based a part of his channel on? Something that people have watched, interacted with,, loved, and that has made them happy? It's interesting that someone who doesn't care would even bother reading my comment that came from a place of love, and drop a comment like that just for the hell of it... I wonder where this indifference, this apathetic attitude comes from.... cause it certainly, CERTAINLY didn't come from watching this show. If you don't care, don't comment.
Maybe he wears different suits because they get damaged, so he goes on missions with whatever suit is undamaged while repairing the others between missions. The reason he always uses the JL suit on JL missions is that that's his best one, and it's more flexible and provides better defense against space mumbo jumbo or whatever, so he always tries to save it for heavy-duty missions.
@@OriginalAkivara Poor Alfred I still question the morality of letting this old man who’s apparently a father figure do all that I question it from time to time anyways
I'm a contributing writer to the DCAU and former producer at Kids WB, and the simple answer is that one of the key reasons for the designs change with each show so that the toy companies can release a new line of toys.
Im late to the party, forgive me, but this is how I've always interpreted Bruce's JL suit being different than his NA suit: "It's the same suit, just perceived differently by those around Batman. In the New Adventures Bruce is a huge wide necked brute made of all muscle. Coupled with the red sky it gives him an almost otherworldly look. Muted greys and solid blacks. Both his partners and his enemies see him as this big hulking figure. In Justice League/Unlimited, Bruce is on equal footing with heroes just as powerful and even more powerful than he is, so they see his suit for what it is.....a costume. Bruce isnt hiding in the shadows, he is standing next to demi-gods and warriors. And in that light, the hint of blue can be seen in his sea of black and grey. Standing next to Clark and Diana, Bruce doesn't dwarf them so he seems alot average and more lean in his musculature. Its just the perception of the character that changes, not the suit." Thanks for coming to my TedTalk.
Yeah! That’s along the “different lens” line of thinking that seems to be the consensus. Just, in “in-universe logic,” we gotta try to make sense of it! Haha
Batman directly says to terry That there was different bat suits but most were teared or destroyed meaning it's not just a art choice Also catwoman's redesign in tnba was explained in a guide as having a different costume Also flashbacks in some comics shows that the btas suit was it's own suit
Honest truth being The writers didt keep track of continity so you would have one writer present x character in a new costume during a new flashback just cause they didt think about it
It's possible he doesn't completely retire a suit when he gets a new one. I buy new t-shirts and then I wear the old ones less... but I don't stop wearing the old ones. Very well researched I like the video!
SEO Toy Review I like think when he gets a new one he simply switches back and fourth depending on the damage that each one has sustained or the technology in each. But as he gets older he tends to stick with very specific ones just modifying them as time goes on. Basically putting a new paintjob and new wheels on an old car. It's the same batsuit but with minor differences that allow for different things to be done and to look different. It's not that our perceptions changed nor is it the suits. It's more based around what is better for batman as time goes on.
Each suit might have a different purpose to it. Just like how he uses a different suit for fighting Superman or the space batsuit or the flame retardant suit and sometimes, it's just Throwback Thursday.
I loved James Woods as Owlman in _Crisis on Two Earths._ He's exactly how I always imagined Batman's voice: cool, calculating indifference combined with that skin-prickling edge of rage and madness makes the hairs rise on the back of the neck. I've always seen Batman as a slow-motion train crash, two parts tragedy and one part horror held back only through sheer force of Will.
I want to see an Animated batman film where every scene, Batman's costume has changed with no explanation. Just to see the Uploader go crazy and turn into the Joker in real life xD Lets Do it DC!
"It only takes one bad colored suit to reduce the sanest nerd alive to lunacy... It’s how far the DC fandom community is from where i am. Just one bad colored suit."
They pulled a character replacement with no explanation in The Batman. seasons 1 and 2 had Detective Yin season 3 introduced Barbara Gordon/Batgirl Batgirl straight up replaced Yin with no explanation as to why. Off topic from this comment, but just wanted to mention that.
@@dcauwatchtower Actually the theory of him having one batsuit might not be true. Because in justice league he has the TNBA Batmobile and that could fit the idea that it’s the same batsuit, BUT. In savage time I think it was when Batman is all armored up and stuff. You see the BTAS Batmobile in the back. So his equipment must go through alterations.
@@harrisonkelm_art well the batmobile and planes get severely damaged and explode alot so he easily just switches them up for what isn't a pile of scrap
It could be worse. He could spend roughly 30 minutes going on about Superman’s cheekbones, which is a 5 minute video idea at most. Luckily that’ll never happen.
Here’s my logic, Batman wears the justice league suit with the more blue and heals and stuff because he’s with the team and doesn’t need to be as stealthy. He also needs the metal utility belt instead of the cloth one because he’s going up agiants “bigger and badder” villains. His other suit he uses when he is in Gotham without the team because it’s more low key and stealthy. That’s my way to reason the 2 suits but idk whatever floats your bat... get it, floats ur bat instead of floats ur boat. Brb gonna go die
What if the cosmetic changes are _deliberate_ using a pre-Beyond stealth-mode prototype to alter small details as a way to screw up identity-recognition software? He would still be recognizable to _people_ but machines would find the constant shifting of details hard to recognize. The Captcha Crusader.
If you take the Joker's merged apperance from the JL series combining his TAS and TNAS look. Then I think it's simpler to say it's a literal art style choice and not an in universe different suit. As far as bridging the gap between TNAS and JL suits go. That way you if they ever did an updated Beyond look in that bat cave in say the Epilogue period you'd likely see a retroactive look of the JL design batsuit since that was the one they were focusing on anyway in that story sequence.
Yeah, the fact that he used different suits is a logical explanation to me but to the outside world, I read that the art style changed after TAS because black paper was getting too expensive. Today that would be less of a problem though.
Personally I feel like he had 3 Batsuits in the DCAU. 1) Batman: TAS 2) The New Batman Adventures 3) Batman Beyond (red logo) I feel his JL and JLU suits are the same as TNBA suit and that the Justice suit is just a result of that show having a brighter, more colorful tone. If you look at Superman's TAS suit and JL suit, the only difference is his shorts being a brighter red, or more like less shadowy. If you need to make a more colorful Batman, you highlight in blue. You can't deny that Justice League was a more colorful show, especially the Justice League Unlimited episodes. As for why he changed them, well I can imagine it's like he said in Batman Beyond. His old suits just got beat up. There's plenty of instances in TAS, TNBA, JL, and JLU of them getting torn or scorched or otherwise damaged, and you can only patch clothes so much before they are just ruined. Not to mention he probably felt a change be needed after Dick Grayson left, and without a bright red sidekick, he went back to basics, ditching the bright yellow oval around the bat logo and going with the all black and grey to be more like his year one self. Remember, when he started he had no Batsignal, and I always felt the yellow oval represented the Batsignal. If you notice, Dick Grayson's Robin from Batman TAS used green, but Tim Drake from TNBA ditched any green in exchange for even more black. Batman was more brooding after Dick Grayson left. By the time a 50-something Bruce donned the suit that would eventually become Terry's suit, the constant abandonment of his Robins and even Batgirl made his suit even more broodier and less fun, ditching the cape, but since he still needed a logo, kept the robin red because it's scarier than yellow or green, but still keeps a piece of Robin with him even though he has nobody left.
It’s a completely different suit to me it’s simile but the ears are longer… it looks like he slimmed down cause he was an imposing figure in TAS & TNBA.. the utility belt is different, the boots, cowl, cape and gloves are like a dark navy blue when in the TNBA it was black and the grey for the suit is a little darker and he does seem a lot colder in justice league
I still think the suit and design from Batman the animated series season 1 - season 2 episode 20 is the best suit and art style we will ever get from a animated Batman show.
Honestly, I think the Batman Beyond reference makes the best point "I'd loan you one of my old suits, but most of them are pretty torn up." He's just got multiple suits, kinda like how the comics have sometimes depicted.
Okay here's my idea. He doesn't have just one suit, he has many different parts for one suit. So he has multiple belts and masks, and other stuff which is kind of interchangeable. He just usually keeps the longer ear mask and the metallic belt in the watch tower.
The reason it looks different, Batman has multiple bat suits and he's refining the details and making subtle improvements each time, like Tony Stark, does with the Iron Man suits. There might be heavier armor or thicker fabric. Plus he has quite the inventory of spares, so it might not be uncommon for him to grab stuff off the rack or shelves. Also, he may have a special heavier armored suit to hang about with the JLA.
Besides, look in the comics, there was the all-black suit that lasted between 1995 to 1999, sometimes it was ana ll black bodysuit, others it had separate boots. It even had leg fins for a time.
I absolutely loved this video! In my head I've always just explained it as him swapping out suits due to wear and tear or making upgraded variants similar to pass suits. Honestly it never bothered me that much but it's fun to think about!
I believe red x is just another teen that can fit in the suit and likes to do whatever they want, no big "it's actually this character!" It's just a teen, most likely a boy, probably with some generic name like Ben or Dave
That might even be canon. I remember a comic where the artist of the comic (I think it may have been Curt Swan) finds himself on Earth 1. Recognizing where he is, he goes to the Daily Planet to find Clark Kent, who of course realizes the man must be from Earth Prime as he knows his secret identity. As Superman is flying the man home, Curt asks a bunch of questions like, "How do you keep your clothes from wrinkling when you fold them into the pocket on your cape? How do you keep your spit curl when you're flying?" Superman cuts him off and answers, simply, _"I'm Superman."_
Hi, Batman here. This is an account I sometimes use, sorry I haven't seen this until now. Simple answer. Laundry Day. I wear whatever Alfred says is clean. End of discussion, problem solved. Anyways, good work citizen! Sorry to have gotten your bat-briefs in a knot.
Hey, Bats! Check out all the other comments saying laundry day, then watch the video again and take note of the part where I talk about how that kind of things doesn’t make any sense. Have a good day sir!
My theory is that Batman's suit with the yellow oval with bat in the middle in TBAS was that the animators wanted to keep the connection to the Tim Burton's Batman ,But as time goes by they alterations to the suit to show the growth of Batman as a superhero .
I love stuff like this. I've always thought how weird the costume continuity is. Never be ashamed for going in depth with this sort of thing. Sure, most people probably won't even catch it, but the people that do really appreciate it. Super interesting stuff. Great video.
Maybe he has the multiple suits so one gets damaged, he can switch to another. This explains the Static Shock switches fairly well. He was using the JL suit at the time, but at times it had gotten to damaged too badly to be used. So he pulled a previous version out of mothballs to use until the JL suit got repaired.
This is how I've thought about it. His line in Beyond about lending Terry "one of his old costumes" cements that he always has multiples on hand. I also wouldn't be surprised if he keeps spare constumes in various vehicles. His first appearance in Static Shock had the old Batwing as well so it's plausible imo that he made a bunch of spares during the TNBA era and tossed em into his vehicles for whenever he needs them.
I started the video with: "WTF is this guy on?" During the video I was like: "Hmm, interesting, but it's just a TV show (to which you replied appropriately" And by the end I was like: "This video is sickkkkkk"
I really like the idea that what we are seeing is really a combination of differences in light, in-universe interpretation, and extra costumes. Batman has also wrecked costumes so severely on occasion that they should be a total loss and result in total replacement, and those replacements can either be identical or modifications. So he might have a dozen identical costumes, but lost three which are replaced by updates, and he could still have one or more from an older design run. The belts are also separate from the costumes so he can mix and match there too and it is easy to imagine keeps belts like tool boxes for different jobs. The idea that each show is its own lens, it’s own aesthetically different universe, is also satisfying in how it fits with the wonkiness of comic books.
The worst one is Scarecrow. He has two different designs in BTAS where he's just a scrawny guy wearing a scarecrow costume. By the time of TNBA he somehow becomes deformed in his new hang-man design.
The theory I've always believed is that the Joker is actually a manifested archetype, essentially a god. And not just in the comics, either; Heath Ledger was a Method actor, and used many of the same techniques shamans use to channel archetypal entities, which means he was _literally murdered by the Joker._ The reason the Joker seems to escape death so often is that he has manifested in different people at different times, each of whom contributed something different to his identity at the time. In Promethea, Alan Moore expresses much the same view. His expy of the Joker, the Painted Doll, turns out to be (minor spoiler) an AI inhabiting a whole series of robotic bodies, each of them believing themselves to be the only one and activating in sequence on the destruction of the previous one.
@@NoJusticeNoPeace Dude dude hear me out. Joker is Loki. Think about it. You can't kill him no matter how much time passes or what happens to him, for the most part he's pure chaos with no origin or identity, the Chair can't even tell who exactly he is. Loki.
I cannot give you a thumbs up for wasting my time but I won't give you a thumbs down because you obviously wasted much of your time as well. Good Day Sir.
@@yhavinmiles Imagine as a criminal or even anyone seeing a bulky jet black figure in the dark ? it’s scary and it’s Batman That outfit is my favorite one by far
My headcannon; The TNBA suit is the one in the Batcave, and used when Batmans point of origin is Gotham. The JL suit is a "to go" suit used when Batman either can not reach or does not have time to reach the Batcave. This explains why both can overlap, and why the TNBA suit is used during Return of Joker, and why that is the one in the display case during Batman Beyond.
My favourite Bat-suit was the one he wore in the original TAS. I also loved Mike Parobeck's art in the comics. Puckett/Parobeck/Burchett did they best ones in that line.
In the comments of a UA-cam video about the Thanos Wins comics, we got into an argument about why the Silver Surfer was black instead of shiny and reflective. My theory was that the colour change was caused by rocking the Uni-Force, while others believed it must be from absorbing the Cosmic Control Rod or merging with Galactus' Power Cosmic. The argument wasn't going anywhere, so I tracked down the writer, Donny Cates, on Twitter and asked him about it. His entire answer copied and pasted: "Because it looks cool" The sad fact is that _we_ care about explanations, narratives, and coherent canon a lot more than the creators do. For most of them it's just a paycheque.
I always figured Batman's JLU suit had more tools for fighting aliens and had more devices for connecting to more machinery and vehicles that he wouldn't necessarily need in Gotham. Also, maybe this suit has a layer of protection from radiation since he's in space a lot. Whereas his TNAS suit had his normal tools.
I always liked the original btas suit; yellow oval around logo= GENIUS. It's not at all practical, but I like it. That's always been batman's suit to me.
The Best badness420k actualy it’s very practical because in the dark that’s the only thing that thug and vilains can see so they shoot on that part because that all they can aim but it’s the most resistant part of the suit
Sean Myers the animated series batman quit playing the character after the harley movie and Mark Hamil quit soon after the killing joke, the dream is dead either wau
I found another continuity when I rewatched TNBA AND BTAS shows. When it’s mad love, in the flashback we see that poison ivy is in the cell, and poison ivy came out in season one episode 5 and Harley was first shown in the series in episode 22, and the continuity is with the comic and episode, in the comic it’s the BTAS suit and the show it’s TNBA, this also helps with what you said in the video saying that why the show is showing the wrong costume in the episode, I don’t understand why they don’t make the BTAS suit in TNBA form, I’ve seen a custom of it online many times.
maybe the reason he uses the older suit in those static shock episodes and the beyond flashback is because the justice league batsuit got damaged off-screen and is going under repairs in those instances, i mean seriously he goes from city to city fighting aliens and other super-heroes' rogues gallery, there's bound to be some damage on the new suit that'll put it out of commission, think of it like that time terry just went out with a utility belt and domino mask when his suit was under control by that robo-ghost guy, heck that same episode pretty much confirmed that bruce doesn't really have spare versions of the same suit, so, it kinda fits? PS: this is off-topic but the yellow beyond suit could also just be an updated version of the flame-proof suit from the new batman adventures, i mean they're both cape-less, don't seem to have a cowl opening, and yellow is one of the colors of fire and seemingly the main color of the sun, and the sun is very hot, so, yea? i don't know, it's just my two-cents on the matter
The reason he switched on and off is a combination of utility at the time and logistics. As Batman developed new suits, he was able to scatter them about in various locations for ease-of-access. There is the main suit we see that he keeps in the Batcave at any given time, but eventually he was able to keep a suit at Wayne Enterprises, in the Batmobile, a few on the Watchtower, etc. Plus, when he travels the world (or universe) he may lose the suit to damage. I can't imagine him making long-distance trips so far from Gotham without backups for his backups, so it's probably even greater than I am suggesting. There are likely three copies of any Batsuit within his vicinity at any given time when you consider his cars, buildings, homes, etc. Can you imagine Bats failing a mission because he didn't have a spare part-to-entirety of another suit? I can't.
The NBA suit and the JLU suits are the same ones, the differences are a result of the artstyle shift in production, and if not, than were essentially saying that Bruce lost a ton of muscle during JLU, and only put it all back on around the time of the return of the joker flashback
I have my own head canon to this but yeah I agree with the final explanation. Star Wars Rebels and Clone wars are in the same overall Star Wars universe but they look different, just a certain visual alternate depiction of canonical events.
Maybe it's the Mandela effect combined with Chronos going back in time Say he goes back in time to steal a lock of Britney Spears's hair it causes a butterfly effect boom different batsuit and hey wait a minute Batman didn't you have a different suit? No He's always had this suit. I could have sworn you had a different one?
I’ve been a fan of the DCAU since the beginning, and I love your channel! My interpretation is multiple suits that Bruce uses based on the mission. P. S. I appreciate the “That ‘70s Show” reference!
I love seeing this kind of deconstruction -- there's similar continuity issues with the Starfleet uniform first seen in The Wrath of Khan all the way up until just before TNG -- but yeah, ultimately I think they're just the same costume seen through a different storytelling lens. Keep it up. :)
I think the TNBA and JL(U) Batsuits are the same, just drawn differently to match the art style of those respective shows. So in my eyes, Batman canonically has only had 4 suits. The prototype/first suit (probably inspired by first appearance batman), the BTAS suit with the yellow and black emblem, TNBA/JL(U) suit, then the Beyond suit. Hope this helps anyone who’s trying to figure this whole thing out.
Another batsuit inconsistency in Mad Love is that Poison Ivy is already in Arkham, which means "Pretty Poison" already happened. And Batman was obviously wearing the BTAS suit in there so... you get what I mean.
I see it as Batman only has three (4 including Beyond technically) batsuits. The pre BTAS, BTAS, and TNBA. JL/U is just the new adventures suit but drawn to match the colors of the rest of the League. It’s a brighter, more colorful show so Batman is going to look a bit brighter and slightly different. But when you watch the darker TNBA/Beyond shows he just looks darker. But either way it’s still the same costume.
I think I prefer the Bat symbol on Bruce's pre-BTAS suit and then again from TNBA onwards. IMO, the yellow oval shaped symbol in BTAS looks better in live action than animation. In most shots of BTAS, the symbol looks awesome. But there are some shots where it looks a bit out of shape and out of proportion. I guess the animators found it a bit difficult to animate it in certain angle shots. But the symbol without the yellow oval clearly looks like it was easier to animate.
Hmm, the blue/grey highlights on the cape etc could somehow be something to do with lighting (maybe because Gotham is more smoggy and grey than most places, it literally reflects on his costume)
To back up the theory that the New Animated Series suit = The JL suit, there's an episode where JL batman and Wonder Woman travel to the future and meet Batman beyond... And in Batman beyond, it's basically well established that the NAS Suit is from that universe/arc... So maybe they are the same suit... But changed slightly in design to suit the respective TV Shows animation style! Also... I liked the vid... So thumbs up 👍
A difference in suit design between page and screen is not a conundrum that needs to be explained. That’s like asking for an in-universe explanation as to why every female character’s body shrunk, and head enlarged by three sizes in 1997, or why Joker’s eyes inverted color, or why Two-Face went from an ethnically-ambiguous subtle Billy Dee Williams design to stark Caucasian (also now missing his right eyebrow). It’s just the artist at work.
I like to imagine that Batman just likes changing his costume so much, that he couldn't just wear the same one for years, and he had to alternate between a slightly different one
What's so hard to believe he has multiple suits? In a movie he had a chamber of suits & gear. If he gets cut up itd make sense to have 3-4 back up suits
@@dcauwatchtower we're men bruhh, we have no sense of fashion.... Supes suit was made by his mom tho originally.... So as a woman she likes underwear on the outside of the suit.... Is it like a wrestling thing? A fetish? Is it tactical in case the suit splits, u wont see the tear? Million reasons for anything man, don't go mad about them lol
But couldn't that also be a animation budget or art style thing? Or maybe someone didn't notice check how the suite is supposed to look in that specific point in time.
TNBA and STAS and SS Batman suit in the JL and JLU Batman suit all the same in different art styles because both of them have long ears and a bigger belt and no yellow circle in front of the bat symbol. looking like the original batsuit . Theres 4 Batman suits in the DCAU : third suit is artistically interpreted differently
Hey great video man. This in my opinion was always a huge continuity error for me that made the DCAU messy. I sort of see where that dude is coming from where he says there’s basically one suit just different art designs. However. Like you said earlier. The show static shock..it shows both the JL costume and TNBA suit. So that’s what confused me. I worry about this stuff the same as you guys keep up the amazing content. 🙏🏻
Among the things I love about this channel is their unapologetic nerd-love for both canon and the history of the characters combined with a refreshing lack of the kind of ugly reactionary politics one normally finds in comic book channels on UA-cam. Their encyclopaedic knowledge of the applicable canon across a variety of media is remarkable. And their sly winking around their valiant attempts to find in-Universe rationalizations for mistakes in the lore says that while they appreciate the material, they don't fall into the trap of taking it too seriously either.
I feel like when they changed his batsuit to the third one it wasn't something that batman actually did in the DCAU. He didn't get a new suit it was just a new style choice by the developers. That's why in the flashback we see him in the new suit. Anyone who has watched the original BTAS will know it doesn't fit the tone of TNBA or the justice league. Its because when it was first made they didn't know there would be this whole universe. When the batsuit changed that was just the writers trying to make the BTAS batman fit into this new tone and style. That's also why in batman beyond we only see the tnba suit and not any others. Every bat suit he's ever worn are all one in the same except for the first one he ever wore. That is also the reason we See him sporadically switch costumes from the tnba suit to the justice league suit. THEY ARE THE SAME SUIT. JUST LIKE HOW THEY ARE THE SAME SUIT BATMAN WORE IN BTAS. Tnba and justice league had different styles and colour palets so they had to change them accordingly.
They are likely the same suit in TNBA, JL/JLU, Static Shock, and B&HQ. I understand what you’re saying and would agree they are all the same if not for the flashback instances we do get of the first two costumes. Clearly those are intended to be unique.
It's a combination of artistic interpretation and multiple batsuits. When only one explanation doesn't work entirely, it's because it's just one part of the puzzle
How about this explanation: He switches to his older suits if his latest is damaged. Makes sense, repairing a suit takes time, and sometimes he would need to go fight crime even though his suit isn't repaired.
DOESN'T he pay for Maids he's got ALL the Money?! Also who DOESN'T want a Sexy Maid or multiple around their Mansion...It would even fit with the Playboy Narrative of Bruce Wayne!
you could argue that every non-memory costume change is a slight upgrade from the last which could imply that Batman does the most Batman thing in the DCAU and is constantly upgrading his suit to be prepared for anything. so nobody says anything because they know Batman constantly changes suits to different versions of the bat suit
I think it’s cool how much detail and continuity was put into this universe, even when there’s stuff like this that gets confusing, that’s when you guys come in 😂
He just is like tony maybe he just wants to jump into a heavier or lighter suit or utility belt weight advantages but i did always assume they were the same suit i also kinda easily belive levins because it fits the whole idea 💡but like the mst3k theme song states its just a show you should probably just relax lol
Maybe he has multiple outfits ready. Different Needs? 1 More bullet proof, 1 more flexible, 1 warmer, 1 cooler...ect. Even..1 got ripped or damaged and is waiting for repairs. Just a thought.
Stumbled upon your channel tonight.☺️ In my opinion, you have tonnes going for you! - Batman! - Your research. - Editing. - Sense of Humour. You also have one more subscriber. ☺️ Oh...by the way this was awesome!
As a fellow DCAU lover I thank you from the bottom of my heart for this video! It cleared up a lot of questions I had about BTAS, TNBA and JLU! It's also amazing to see another person so passionate and particular about the shows we all love so much! We CARE! As soon as that Joker quote came up near the end of the video, the comment about the ears being too long I was like THANK YOUUU! SOMEONE ELSE NOTICED! The ROTJ movie and the JLU Wild Card two parter, not to mention the other JL episodes the Joker was featured in always made my head explode, just because of that one line! Plus I think this is the only subject that I'm able to think about and follow as fast as you were able to talk. Awesome work!
RandomArc Entertainment - RAE You are very welcome! Glad you enjoyed it so much! Always love comments like this.
Any time, my friend! I have an eternal, special place in my heart for these shows. Conroy will always be my Batman, Hamill will always be my Joker. I swear I wouldn't have my UA-cam show now without those guys, not to mention Dini, Timm and the rest of the creative crew!
Do excuse me while I binge watch the rest of your stuff that I can't believe I haven't found until now! Mwhahahahaaa!!
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Aaaahhh I see.... so you think that you get to decide what is important to other people? Not to mention what this guy has based a part of his channel on? Something that people have watched, interacted with,, loved, and that has made them happy? It's interesting that someone who doesn't care would even bother reading my comment that came from a place of love, and drop a comment like that just for the hell of it... I wonder where this indifference, this apathetic attitude comes from.... cause it certainly, CERTAINLY didn't come from watching this show. If you don't care, don't comment.
RandomArc Entertainment - RAE no one wants to reed such long comments
Batman wears the JLU suit on Justice League missions just so he can be taller than Super-man with the heels
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@@ianbowden2524 Will it canon? That is the question
@@fishertheadore6095 Yes, he was totally being series.
You did it. You solved it you crazy son of a bitch.
Maybe he wears different suits because they get damaged, so he goes on missions with whatever suit is undamaged while repairing the others between missions. The reason he always uses the JL suit on JL missions is that that's his best one, and it's more flexible and provides better defense against space mumbo jumbo or whatever, so he always tries to save it for heavy-duty missions.
also its fair to say the suit get damahes and needs cleaning
*while Alfred repairs the others between missions.
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Poor Alfred I still question the morality of letting this old man who’s apparently a father figure do all that I question it from time to time anyways
this is true
@@Mohamad-m7mdto me, it’s like saying “hey Dad, can you do my laundry for me cuz I’m super busy?” I don’t think it’s that unreasonable
I'm a contributing writer to the DCAU and former producer at Kids WB, and the simple answer is that one of the key reasons for the designs change with each show so that the toy companies can release a new line of toys.
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Very nice! I’m assumed that was part of it, yeah. Super jealous of your resume, sir!
We’d love to have you on the podcast sometime if you’re interested!
Oh, I could point you to people who put my resume to shame.
At the moment I'm a bit distracted, but hit me up after comic con.
lol "Uh...I didn't know we were gonna be fighting Mongul today, sorry."
"Ah shit there's only anti-Bane equipment in the utility belt today. Try again tomorrow."
Pretty good summary of "For The Man Who Has Everything".
Im late to the party, forgive me, but this is how I've always interpreted Bruce's JL suit being different than his NA suit: "It's the same suit, just perceived differently by those around Batman. In the New Adventures Bruce is a huge wide necked brute made of all muscle. Coupled with the red sky it gives him an almost otherworldly look. Muted greys and solid blacks. Both his partners and his enemies see him as this big hulking figure. In Justice League/Unlimited, Bruce is on equal footing with heroes just as powerful and even more powerful than he is, so they see his suit for what it is.....a costume. Bruce isnt hiding in the shadows, he is standing next to demi-gods and warriors. And in that light, the hint of blue can be seen in his sea of black and grey. Standing next to Clark and Diana, Bruce doesn't dwarf them so he seems alot average and more lean in his musculature. Its just the perception of the character that changes, not the suit."
Thanks for coming to my TedTalk.
Yeah! That’s along the “different lens” line of thinking that seems to be the consensus. Just, in “in-universe logic,” we gotta try to make sense of it! Haha
Batman directly says to terry
That there was different bat suits but most were teared or destroyed meaning it's not just a art choice
Also catwoman's redesign in tnba was explained in a guide as having a different costume
Also flashbacks in some comics shows that the btas suit was it's own suit
Honest truth being
The writers didt keep track of continity so you would have one writer present x character in a new costume during a new flashback just cause they didt think about it
It's possible he doesn't completely retire a suit when he gets a new one. I buy new t-shirts and then I wear the old ones less... but I don't stop wearing the old ones. Very well researched I like the video!
Bingo.
SEO Toy Review I like think when he gets a new one he simply switches back and fourth depending on the damage that each one has sustained or the technology in each. But as he gets older he tends to stick with very specific ones just modifying them as time goes on. Basically putting a new paintjob and new wheels on an old car. It's the same batsuit but with minor differences that allow for different things to be done and to look different. It's not that our perceptions changed nor is it the suits. It's more based around what is better for batman as time goes on.
Each suit might have a different purpose to it. Just like how he uses a different suit for fighting Superman or the space batsuit or the flame retardant suit and sometimes, it's just Throwback Thursday.
Jonathan Reddoch that’s what I was thinking
Dylan Reed forth
One thing I know is that Kevin Conroy will always be batman.
I'm Batman I'm so happy I finally met him a few months ago.
I loved James Woods as Owlman in _Crisis on Two Earths._ He's exactly how I always imagined Batman's voice: cool, calculating indifference combined with that skin-prickling edge of rage and madness makes the hairs rise on the back of the neck. I've always seen Batman as a slow-motion train crash, two parts tragedy and one part horror held back only through sheer force of Will.
Too bad they are writing out with the new 52. I don’t mind Jason Omara though
@@benlewis3847 I'm sorry, but I just couldn't get into Jason O'Mara's take on Batman
Crisdean Mackinnon he’s better than Bruce Greenwood or James woods
I want to see an Animated batman film where every scene, Batman's costume has changed with no explanation. Just to see the Uploader go crazy and turn into the Joker in real life xD
Lets Do it DC!
toniforrestal yes
"It only takes one bad colored suit to reduce the sanest nerd alive to lunacy... It’s how far the DC fandom community is from where i am. Just one bad colored suit."
They pulled a character replacement with no explanation in The Batman.
seasons 1 and 2 had Detective Yin
season 3 introduced Barbara Gordon/Batgirl
Batgirl straight up replaced Yin with no explanation as to why.
Off topic from this comment, but just wanted to mention that.
My conclusion. Alfred wasn't washing them quick enough so Bats had to use one of the others.
When you find out you spent 20 minutes theorizing about batman's clothes
Oh, it was way more than 20 minutes.
@@dcauwatchtower Actually the theory of him having one batsuit might not be true. Because in justice league he has the TNBA Batmobile and that could fit the idea that it’s the same batsuit, BUT. In savage time I think it was when Batman is all armored up and stuff. You see the BTAS Batmobile in the back. So his equipment must go through alterations.
@@harrisonkelm_art well the batmobile and planes get severely damaged and explode alot so he easily just switches them up for what isn't a pile of scrap
It could be worse. He could spend roughly 30 minutes going on about Superman’s cheekbones, which is a 5 minute video idea at most. Luckily that’ll never happen.
Here’s my logic, Batman wears the justice league suit with the more blue and heals and stuff because he’s with the team and doesn’t need to be as stealthy. He also needs the metal utility belt instead of the cloth one because he’s going up agiants “bigger and badder” villains. His other suit he uses when he is in Gotham without the team because it’s more low key and stealthy. That’s my way to reason the 2 suits but idk whatever floats your bat... get it, floats ur bat instead of floats ur boat. Brb gonna go die
What if the cosmetic changes are _deliberate_ using a pre-Beyond stealth-mode prototype to alter small details as a way to screw up identity-recognition software? He would still be recognizable to _people_ but machines would find the constant shifting of details hard to recognize. The Captcha Crusader.
If you take the Joker's merged apperance from the JL series combining his TAS and TNAS look. Then I think it's simpler to say it's a literal art style choice and not an in universe different suit. As far as bridging the gap between TNAS and JL suits go. That way you if they ever did an updated Beyond look in that bat cave in say the Epilogue period you'd likely see a retroactive look of the JL design batsuit since that was the one they were focusing on anyway in that story sequence.
Yeah, the fact that he used different suits is a logical explanation to me but to the outside world, I read that the art style changed after TAS because black paper was getting too expensive. Today that would be less of a problem though.
NoJusticeNoPeace Did someone say captcha? PROVE! PROVE! PROVE YOU'RE NOT A ROBOT!
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Personally I feel like he had 3 Batsuits in the DCAU.
1) Batman: TAS
2) The New Batman Adventures
3) Batman Beyond (red logo)
I feel his JL and JLU suits are the same as TNBA suit and that the Justice suit is just a result of that show having a brighter, more colorful tone. If you look at Superman's TAS suit and JL suit, the only difference is his shorts being a brighter red, or more like less shadowy. If you need to make a more colorful Batman, you highlight in blue. You can't deny that Justice League was a more colorful show, especially the Justice League Unlimited episodes.
As for why he changed them, well I can imagine it's like he said in Batman Beyond. His old suits just got beat up. There's plenty of instances in TAS, TNBA, JL, and JLU of them getting torn or scorched or otherwise damaged, and you can only patch clothes so much before they are just ruined.
Not to mention he probably felt a change be needed after Dick Grayson left, and without a bright red sidekick, he went back to basics, ditching the bright yellow oval around the bat logo and going with the all black and grey to be more like his year one self.
Remember, when he started he had no Batsignal, and I always felt the yellow oval represented the Batsignal.
If you notice, Dick Grayson's Robin from Batman TAS used green, but Tim Drake from TNBA ditched any green in exchange for even more black. Batman was more brooding after Dick Grayson left. By the time a 50-something Bruce donned the suit that would eventually become Terry's suit, the constant abandonment of his Robins and even Batgirl made his suit even more broodier and less fun, ditching the cape, but since he still needed a logo, kept the robin red because it's scarier than yellow or green, but still keeps a piece of Robin with him even though he has nobody left.
This was a better explanation than the actual video lol.
There's also the pre-chest emblem suit
fuck it this is canon
How would you explain the Jlu ears being different?
It’s a completely different suit to me it’s simile but the ears are longer… it looks like he slimmed down cause he was an imposing figure in TAS & TNBA.. the utility belt is different, the boots, cowl, cape and gloves are like a dark navy blue when in the TNBA it was black and the grey for the suit is a little darker and he does seem a lot colder in justice league
I see a simple answer. Some lazy animators forgot to switch the suits.
No i think batman has more than 1 and he switched maybe wore more than 1 just like how we change clothes
I still think the suit and design from Batman the animated series season 1 - season 2 episode 20 is the best suit and art style we will ever get from a animated Batman show.
@@mattblaster2378 What ep is that?
Pako_ N9ne_Jukes no what I meant was those were all the episodes with that design. Like season 1 through season 2 episode 20 kept that specific design
@@mattblaster2378 oh ok
Honestly, I think the Batman Beyond reference makes the best point "I'd loan you one of my old suits, but most of them are pretty torn up." He's just got multiple suits, kinda like how the comics have sometimes depicted.
so long as he's still wearing his black underwear, i dont care what changes.
Superman got rid of his underwear.Maybe everybody else should too.
Sssssss i wouldnt recommend any of the live action movies
If Batman loses the trunks, I'll be OK with it it's neither here nor there for me. BUT THE TRUNKS STAY ON SUPERMAN. PERIOD
In my head canon, the trunks are additional groin armor...a cod piece if you will...
@@gregoryhainsworth2663 oh god he went commando for the WHOLE SERIES, the fuk Clark.
Okay here's my idea. He doesn't have just one suit, he has many different parts for one suit. So he has multiple belts and masks, and other stuff which is kind of interchangeable. He just usually keeps the longer ear mask and the metallic belt in the watch tower.
"What it's just an ordinary krabby... OH MY GOODNESS!?!" 😂😂😂
"SQUIDWAR-"
Can't a man have a wardrobe full of batsuits and not be questioned about it
The reason it looks different, Batman has multiple bat suits and he's refining the details and making subtle improvements each time, like Tony Stark, does with the Iron Man suits. There might be heavier armor or thicker fabric. Plus he has quite the inventory of spares, so it might not be uncommon for him to grab stuff off the rack or shelves. Also, he may have a special heavier armored suit to hang about with the JLA.
Besides, look in the comics, there was the all-black suit that lasted between 1995 to 1999, sometimes it was ana ll black bodysuit, others it had separate boots. It even had leg fins for a time.
I absolutely loved this video! In my head I've always just explained it as him swapping out suits due to wear and tear or making upgraded variants similar to pass suits. Honestly it never bothered me that much but it's fun to think about!
i just want to know who is Red X
Me too, buddy. Me too.
Damian he's jason todd in my head.
You, and Beast Boys, brother... And mine.
I STILL THINK YOU'RE JASON TODD!
*red x swings away*
I believe red x is just another teen that can fit in the suit and likes to do whatever they want, no big "it's actually this character!" It's just a teen, most likely a boy, probably with some generic name like Ben or Dave
Damian He’s Robin!
There's a pretty good explanation, it's because he's *BATMAN*
That might even be canon. I remember a comic where the artist of the comic (I think it may have been Curt Swan) finds himself on Earth 1. Recognizing where he is, he goes to the Daily Planet to find Clark Kent, who of course realizes the man must be from Earth Prime as he knows his secret identity. As Superman is flying the man home, Curt asks a bunch of questions like, "How do you keep your clothes from wrinkling when you fold them into the pocket on your cape? How do you keep your spit curl when you're flying?"
Superman cuts him off and answers, simply, _"I'm Superman."_
@@NoJusticeNoPeace i 100% heard Newbern saying that in my head just now
They should make a “Justice League: Beyond” chronicling stories from the JL of Terry and Static’s era. That would be great.
I'm gonna go with "they liked to draw it different"
Hi, Batman here. This is an account I sometimes use, sorry I haven't seen this until now. Simple answer. Laundry Day. I wear whatever Alfred says is clean. End of discussion, problem solved. Anyways, good work citizen! Sorry to have gotten your bat-briefs in a knot.
Hey, Bats! Check out all the other comments saying laundry day, then watch the video again and take note of the part where I talk about how that kind of things doesn’t make any sense. Have a good day sir!
Right
@@dcauwatchtower are you really questioning Batman? Not wise
@Ka1ne u r
My theory is that Batman's suit with the yellow oval with bat in the middle in TBAS was that the animators wanted to keep the connection to the Tim Burton's Batman ,But as time goes by they alterations to the suit to show the growth of Batman as a superhero .
That’s literally it
I love stuff like this. I've always thought how weird the costume continuity is. Never be ashamed for going in depth with this sort of thing. Sure, most people probably won't even catch it, but the people that do really appreciate it. Super interesting stuff. Great video.
SpizzleLep Thanks! We do these videos for people like you! Much appreciated.
Maybe he has the multiple suits so one gets damaged, he can switch to another. This explains the Static Shock switches fairly well. He was using the JL suit at the time, but at times it had gotten to damaged too badly to be used. So he pulled a previous version out of mothballs to use until the JL suit got repaired.
This is how I've thought about it. His line in Beyond about lending Terry "one of his old costumes" cements that he always has multiples on hand. I also wouldn't be surprised if he keeps spare constumes in various vehicles. His first appearance in Static Shock had the old Batwing as well so it's plausible imo that he made a bunch of spares during the TNBA era and tossed em into his vehicles for whenever he needs them.
I like how the "Robin's Reckoning" batsuit goes to resemble the golden age look.
8:51 The stretched Batman reminds me of Frank Miller's "The Dark Knight Returns" LOL
shit was hilarious lmfaooo
I started the video with: "WTF is this guy on?"
During the video I was like: "Hmm, interesting, but it's just a TV show (to which you replied appropriately"
And by the end I was like: "This video is sickkkkkk"
I laughed way too hard when the Curb theme song started playing 😂😂 Great video
I really like the idea that what we are seeing is really a combination of differences in light, in-universe interpretation, and extra costumes. Batman has also wrecked costumes so severely on occasion that they should be a total loss and result in total replacement, and those replacements can either be identical or modifications. So he might have a dozen identical costumes, but lost three which are replaced by updates, and he could still have one or more from an older design run. The belts are also separate from the costumes so he can mix and match there too and it is easy to imagine keeps belts like tool boxes for different jobs.
The idea that each show is its own lens, it’s own aesthetically different universe, is also satisfying in how it fits with the wonkiness of comic books.
I just don’t understand how you don’t have a million subscribers
It also bothered me that Joker and Penguin look totally different in TNBA
Mr.Scary90 saaaammmmeee, I can never get past that
BatBrickFlicks yeah the mad hatter and Riddler as well
Mr.Scary90 Penguin was alright, but Joker in TNBA on the other hand. At least Teturn of the Joker and JL improved his look
Micheal Mah'moud yeah but Penguin went from looking like the Batman Returns version with the flipper hands to the comics version with normal hands.
The worst one is Scarecrow. He has two different designs in BTAS where he's just a scrawny guy wearing a scarecrow costume. By the time of TNBA he somehow becomes deformed in his new hang-man design.
THREE JOKERS = THREE BATMANS
The theory I've always believed is that the Joker is actually a manifested archetype, essentially a god. And not just in the comics, either; Heath Ledger was a Method actor, and used many of the same techniques shamans use to channel archetypal entities, which means he was _literally murdered by the Joker._ The reason the Joker seems to escape death so often is that he has manifested in different people at different times, each of whom contributed something different to his identity at the time.
In Promethea, Alan Moore expresses much the same view. His expy of the Joker, the Painted Doll, turns out to be (minor spoiler) an AI inhabiting a whole series of robotic bodies, each of them believing themselves to be the only one and activating in sequence on the destruction of the previous one.
Coincidence? I think not!
Scott Snyder has alluded to this theory as well in Batman: Endgame and Dark Nights: Metal.
@@NoJusticeNoPeace Dude dude hear me out.
Joker is Loki.
Think about it.
You can't kill him no matter how much time passes or what happens to him, for the most part he's pure chaos with no origin or identity, the Chair can't even tell who exactly he is.
Loki.
It's more accurate to say that the Joker and Loki (and Nanabozho and Anansi and many others) all originate from the same base Trickster archetype.
I cannot give you a thumbs up for wasting my time but I won't give you a thumbs down because you obviously wasted much of your time as well.
Good Day Sir.
you wasted your own time hahaha.. this was great ;)
You made the choice to stay. He made money
Master Pizza Shut yo bitch ass up
Master Pizza lol
Growing up I assumed Bats wore the JL suit because he didn't need to be as stealthy around them 😆
blue is actually stealthier because jet black sticks out in the dark and dark blue blends in more
@@yhavinmiles
Imagine as a criminal or even anyone seeing a bulky jet black figure in the dark ? it’s scary and it’s Batman
That outfit is my favorite one by far
My headcannon;
The TNBA suit is the one in the Batcave, and used when Batmans point of origin is Gotham.
The JL suit is a "to go" suit used when Batman either can not reach or does not have time to reach the Batcave.
This explains why both can overlap, and why the TNBA suit is used during Return of Joker, and why that is the one in the display case during Batman Beyond.
My favourite Bat-suit was the one he wore in the original TAS. I also loved Mike Parobeck's art in the comics. Puckett/Parobeck/Burchett did they best ones in that line.
In the comments of a UA-cam video about the Thanos Wins comics, we got into an argument about why the Silver Surfer was black instead of shiny and reflective. My theory was that the colour change was caused by rocking the Uni-Force, while others believed it must be from absorbing the Cosmic Control Rod or merging with Galactus' Power Cosmic. The argument wasn't going anywhere, so I tracked down the writer, Donny Cates, on Twitter and asked him about it.
His entire answer copied and pasted: "Because it looks cool"
The sad fact is that _we_ care about explanations, narratives, and coherent canon a lot more than the creators do. For most of them it's just a paycheque.
There are multiple batsuits that Batman switches between in each series. The true purpose of the switching is sinister.
Alfred's dry cleaning the pollen and catnip off them.
This comment makes me think of The Question...
I feel like when he said “almost the same suits” if you were there then you could hear the hurt in his voice😂💀
I always figured Batman's JLU suit had more tools for fighting aliens and had more devices for connecting to more machinery and vehicles that he wouldn't necessarily need in Gotham. Also, maybe this suit has a layer of protection from radiation since he's in space a lot.
Whereas his TNAS suit had his normal tools.
I always liked the original btas suit; yellow oval around logo= GENIUS. It's not at all practical, but I like it. That's always been batman's suit to me.
There's a bunch of references to that area being more padded/armored and the yellow drawing attacks there.
To me the JL suit is the undisputed best one
The Best badness420k actualy it’s very practical because in the dark that’s the only thing that thug and vilains can see so they shoot on that part because that all they can aim but it’s the most resistant part of the suit
They should just put the dcau back on tv
I agree. So far they are better than the movies
DeAndre Haynes it’s just what everyone loves and I think their ratings would skyrocket if they brought the shows back
Sean Myers nooo its too far gone, it'd get fucked by studios trying to milk the cash car
TheGamingHobo if the same people were behind it then I sincerely doubt it’d be fucked
Sean Myers the animated series batman quit playing the character after the harley movie and Mark Hamil quit soon after the killing joke, the dream is dead either wau
I found another continuity when I rewatched TNBA AND BTAS shows. When it’s mad love, in the flashback we see that poison ivy is in the cell, and poison ivy came out in season one episode 5 and Harley was first shown in the series in episode 22, and the continuity is with the comic and episode, in the comic it’s the BTAS suit and the show it’s TNBA, this also helps with what you said in the video saying that why the show is showing the wrong costume in the episode, I don’t understand why they don’t make the BTAS suit in TNBA form, I’ve seen a custom of it online many times.
11:32 HOLD ON. The lip sync is really good here as well! How many random times have you just randomly synced up animation to your dialog really well?!
I do my best!
maybe the reason he uses the older suit in those static shock episodes and the beyond flashback is because the justice league batsuit got damaged off-screen and is going under repairs in those instances, i mean seriously he goes from city to city fighting aliens and other super-heroes' rogues gallery, there's bound to be some damage on the new suit that'll put it out of commission, think of it like that time terry just went out with a utility belt and domino mask when his suit was under control by that robo-ghost guy, heck that same episode pretty much confirmed that bruce doesn't really have spare versions of the same suit, so, it kinda fits?
PS: this is off-topic but the yellow beyond suit could also just be an updated version of the flame-proof suit from the new batman adventures, i mean they're both cape-less, don't seem to have a cowl opening, and yellow is one of the colors of fire and seemingly the main color of the sun, and the sun is very hot, so, yea? i don't know, it's just my two-cents on the matter
So...why does the Batsuit have black pockets in between the pouches in Batwoman? ;)
BECAUSE
Its Thursday (Kevin Conroy voice)
Because it's more stylish.
The reason he switched on and off is a combination of utility at the time and logistics.
As Batman developed new suits, he was able to scatter them about in various locations for ease-of-access. There is the main suit we see that he keeps in the Batcave at any given time, but eventually he was able to keep a suit at Wayne Enterprises, in the Batmobile, a few on the Watchtower, etc.
Plus, when he travels the world (or universe) he may lose the suit to damage. I can't imagine him making long-distance trips so far from Gotham without backups for his backups, so it's probably even greater than I am suggesting. There are likely three copies of any Batsuit within his vicinity at any given time when you consider his cars, buildings, homes, etc. Can you imagine Bats failing a mission because he didn't have a spare part-to-entirety of another suit? I can't.
The NBA suit and the JLU suits are the same ones, the differences are a result of the artstyle shift in production, and if not, than were essentially saying that Bruce lost a ton of muscle during JLU, and only put it all back on around the time of the return of the joker flashback
what if the TNBA is a modified version of the original suit?
And the JL suit is a modified version of the BTAS suit?
I have my own head canon to this but yeah I agree with the final explanation.
Star Wars Rebels and Clone wars are in the same overall Star Wars universe but they look different, just a certain visual alternate depiction of canonical events.
Maybe it's the Mandela effect combined with Chronos going back in time
Say he goes back in time to steal a lock of Britney Spears's hair it causes a butterfly effect boom different batsuit and hey wait a minute Batman didn't you have a different suit? No He's always had this suit. I could have sworn you had a different one?
Levins' explanation at the end is what I've always kind of figured
I’ve been a fan of the DCAU since the beginning, and I love your channel! My interpretation is multiple suits that Bruce uses based on the mission.
P. S. I appreciate the “That ‘70s Show” reference!
Nice video, good editing, no forced jokes, and it looks to be really well researched.
Good work!
I love seeing this kind of deconstruction -- there's similar continuity issues with the Starfleet uniform first seen in The Wrath of Khan all the way up until just before TNG -- but yeah, ultimately I think they're just the same costume seen through a different storytelling lens. Keep it up. :)
I know EXACTLY what you’re talking about. “Generations” too. Ugh.
I think the TNBA and JL(U) Batsuits are the same, just drawn differently to match the art style of those respective shows. So in my eyes, Batman canonically has only had 4 suits. The prototype/first suit (probably inspired by first appearance batman), the BTAS suit with the yellow and black emblem, TNBA/JL(U) suit, then the Beyond suit. Hope this helps anyone who’s trying to figure this whole thing out.
Another batsuit inconsistency in Mad Love is that Poison Ivy is already in Arkham, which means "Pretty Poison" already happened. And Batman was obviously wearing the BTAS suit in there so... you get what I mean.
I have just watched the DCAU and I love how I can just watch your random videos like this and fill needs to talk about anything DCAU
I see it as Batman only has three (4 including Beyond technically) batsuits. The pre BTAS, BTAS, and TNBA. JL/U is just the new adventures suit but drawn to match the colors of the rest of the League. It’s a brighter, more colorful show so Batman is going to look a bit brighter and slightly different. But when you watch the darker TNBA/Beyond shows he just looks darker. But either way it’s still the same costume.
I think I prefer the Bat symbol on Bruce's pre-BTAS suit and then again from TNBA onwards. IMO, the yellow oval shaped symbol in BTAS looks better in live action than animation. In most shots of BTAS, the symbol looks awesome. But there are some shots where it looks a bit out of shape and out of proportion. I guess the animators found it a bit difficult to animate it in certain angle shots. But the symbol without the yellow oval clearly looks like it was easier to animate.
I always liked the Justice League suit the most. The long ears complemented his face well and made him look taller and more intimidating.
Hmm, the blue/grey highlights on the cape etc could somehow be something to do with lighting (maybe because Gotham is more smoggy and grey than most places, it literally reflects on his costume)
Nah it’s that color no matter where he goes in that costume
To back up the theory that the New Animated Series suit = The JL suit, there's an episode where JL batman and Wonder Woman travel to the future and meet Batman beyond... And in Batman beyond, it's basically well established that the NAS Suit is from that universe/arc... So maybe they are the same suit... But changed slightly in design to suit the respective TV Shows animation style!
Also... I liked the vid... So thumbs up 👍
The New Batman Adventures costume is my favorite of the Bstsuits in the DCAU.
A difference in suit design between page and screen is not a conundrum that needs to be explained. That’s like asking for an in-universe explanation as to why every female character’s body shrunk, and head enlarged by three sizes in 1997, or why Joker’s eyes inverted color, or why Two-Face went from an ethnically-ambiguous subtle Billy Dee Williams design to stark Caucasian (also now missing his right eyebrow). It’s just the artist at work.
My favorite Batman suit in the DCAU is his one with the yellow oval.
Mark Rounseville I preferred the JL Batman costume
Mark Rounseville I was kind of shocked they never showed or referenced that suit in The New Adventures of Batman or Batman Beyond
I like to imagine that Batman just likes changing his costume so much, that he couldn't just wear the same one for years, and he had to alternate between a slightly different one
What's so hard to believe he has multiple suits? In a movie he had a chamber of suits & gear. If he gets cut up itd make sense to have 3-4 back up suits
That's not the hard to believe part...it's how coincidental the changes are!!!
@@dcauwatchtower we're men bruhh, we have no sense of fashion.... Supes suit was made by his mom tho originally.... So as a woman she likes underwear on the outside of the suit.... Is it like a wrestling thing? A fetish? Is it tactical in case the suit splits, u wont see the tear? Million reasons for anything man, don't go mad about them lol
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But couldn't that also be a animation budget or art style thing? Or maybe someone didn't notice check how the suite is supposed to look in that specific point in time.
You want to get really confused about costumes and time lines try reading some of the post new 52 batman beyond comics
John Wimberly Futures End right? Yeah, fuck that convoluted mess.
So batman had a lot of suits he is a rich guy and the animators forgot. You overthink too much. SUSCRIBED!!!!!
The justice leauge suit is more heavily armored and saved for big missions. It ended up being destroyed in the near apcolypse of 2009.
That's good headcanon!
TNBA and STAS and SS Batman suit in the JL and JLU Batman suit all the same in different art styles because both of them have long ears and a bigger belt and no yellow circle in front of the bat symbol. looking like the original batsuit . Theres 4 Batman suits in the DCAU : third suit is artistically interpreted differently
Batman is Rich!
He can have fun with cloths!
"this one, this one, this one, this one, this one.... _duh_ " XD
0:47 That was the proto-JL suit I talked about on Reddit!
What about the suit in one of the flashbacks of jokers origin?Batman is wearing what looks like his 1939 suit.
Something about the casual nature of the statement "I didn't know we would be fighting Mongel today, sorry." Makes me smile.
Hey great video man. This in my opinion was always a huge continuity error for me that made the DCAU messy. I sort of see where that dude is coming from where he says there’s basically one suit just different art designs. However. Like you said earlier. The show static shock..it shows both the JL costume and TNBA suit. So that’s what confused me.
I worry about this stuff the same as you guys keep up the amazing content. 🙏🏻
Just found this channel and loved this video. Time to explore the backlog!
Among the things I love about this channel is their unapologetic nerd-love for both canon and the history of the characters combined with a refreshing lack of the kind of ugly reactionary politics one normally finds in comic book channels on UA-cam. Their encyclopaedic knowledge of the applicable canon across a variety of media is remarkable. And their sly winking around their valiant attempts to find in-Universe rationalizations for mistakes in the lore says that while they appreciate the material, they don't fall into the trap of taking it too seriously either.
I feel like when they changed his batsuit to the third one it wasn't something that batman actually did in the DCAU. He didn't get a new suit it was just a new style choice by the developers. That's why in the flashback we see him in the new suit. Anyone who has watched the original BTAS will know it doesn't fit the tone of TNBA or the justice league. Its because when it was first made they didn't know there would be this whole universe. When the batsuit changed that was just the writers trying to make the BTAS batman fit into this new tone and style. That's also why in batman beyond we only see the tnba suit and not any others. Every bat suit he's ever worn are all one in the same except for the first one he ever wore. That is also the reason we See him sporadically switch costumes from the tnba suit to the justice league suit. THEY ARE THE SAME SUIT. JUST LIKE HOW THEY ARE THE SAME SUIT BATMAN WORE IN BTAS. Tnba and justice league had different styles and colour palets so they had to change them accordingly.
They are likely the same suit in TNBA, JL/JLU, Static Shock, and B&HQ. I understand what you’re saying and would agree they are all the same if not for the flashback instances we do get of the first two costumes. Clearly those are intended to be unique.
@@dcauwatchtower yes actually that is true because in that comic he changes between the tnba one and them BTAS one in the flashbacks
It's a combination of artistic interpretation and multiple batsuits. When only one explanation doesn't work entirely, it's because it's just one part of the puzzle
How about this explanation:
He switches to his older suits if his latest is damaged.
Makes sense, repairing a suit takes time, and sometimes he would need to go fight crime even though his suit isn't repaired.
It’s all too coincidental
The reason he changes the suits is because the other ones are in laundry.
DOESN'T he pay for Maids he's got ALL the Money?! Also who DOESN'T want a Sexy Maid or multiple around their Mansion...It would even fit with the Playboy Narrative of Bruce Wayne!
8:52 dang. Batman thicc
Batman has, as in the comics, has more than one suit active at once.
nah brah
A person can change their clothes and not have to have a narrative reason for this? What are you, "regular" people?
Watchtower Database well, thanks for the thought out reasonable answer.
I agree james
you could argue that every non-memory costume change is a slight upgrade from the last which could imply that Batman does the most Batman thing in the DCAU and is constantly upgrading his suit to be prepared for anything. so nobody says anything because they know Batman constantly changes suits to different versions of the bat suit
I think it’s cool how much detail and continuity was put into this universe, even when there’s stuff like this that gets confusing, that’s when you guys come in 😂
"fight me" lol Immediate subscribe
0:29-0:45 oh my god... just like wolverine in the x-men movies!
He just is like tony maybe he just wants to jump into a heavier or lighter suit or utility belt weight advantages but i did always assume they were the same suit i also kinda easily belive levins because it fits the whole idea 💡but like the mst3k theme song states its just a show you should probably just relax lol
I feel like the combined version from
The Harley Movie is the real costume
Maybe he has multiple outfits ready. Different Needs? 1 More bullet proof, 1 more flexible, 1 warmer, 1 cooler...ect. Even..1 got ripped or damaged and is waiting for repairs. Just a thought.
Agent Bennett from the zeta project with Red Foreman’s voice from that 70s show is just awesome
Stumbled upon your channel tonight.☺️
In my opinion, you have tonnes going for you!
- Batman!
- Your research.
- Editing.
- Sense of Humour.
You also have one more subscriber. ☺️
Oh...by the way this was awesome!
Always love an editing compliment. Thanks, man!
Watchtower Database
You are very welcome ☺️