I did front and rear legends on my 14 SGS @ 50k. Used 13 inch rear shock over the original 12 inches. Got 70k now, really improved all aspects of ride. Seems I get better tire wear as well. I would buy legends again.
Great video and a ton of info. So on both bikes I went FOX. On my 2017 SGS I did HD spring kit, and then a set of 13" IFP-QSR FOX with dampening adjustment. On my 21 RKS I've only done the rear 13" FOX ifp-qsr. Both bikes ride night and day difference, especially the heavier SG with the springs as the bike holds a track alot better and at more speed. I can ride solo or 2 up with alot more confidence and comfort. I like FOX for the reputation and price point, as I can't see shelling out 1k for rears let alone adding the front. Think I have maybe 1100 across 2 bikes and that includes front install at a shop. Also you can still turn the adjuster by hand.
I did 13” fox rears on my rushmore SGS around 40k miles. Swapped to Pro Action 13” rears about 45k miles, WOW WOW. Was so impressed also installed Pro Action fork kit. Now got 54k miles
Like you, I did a lot of research… legends, progressive, oghlin’s and las Wilber’s. Luckily for me, I have friends with all these except for the Wilber’s… they were all good.. liked them all. I kept reading about Wilber’s… what I like about it, is that you set it and forget it… you add a passenger or luggage, it adjust itself. So I bought them… went to Sturgis with my lady and about 40 lbs of luggage… let me tell you… loved them… didn’t have to worry about adjusting as it did it on its own… never bottomed out. The curves at needles highway felt so good… so look into Wilber’s… I bought them at Laidlaw’s Harley Davidson ( yes, from Matt Laidlaw, very cool dude) for 1,800 for front and rear. Check them out.
Have progressive suspension on my wide glide and its good for what I use the bike for just a bar hopper. Went with fox on my ultra limited and they are amazing, went with fox because I'm from the north and have experience with them from snowmobiling going back to the 90s and for many years no other shock came close to the performance you got with fox.
What a great content, very helpful for me and anyone who is shopping for bagger suspensions for the first time. I love the approach of setting the budget first and then technical analysis. I always remind myself, any part for my Harley is just what I want, not what I need, so budget must come first. Thanks for this video!
Hello Wanderin Bear Here by way of Montana/Arizona THANKS MAN for taking the time out of your life to help the cause. Better ridding, means longer riding, mean more ride, enough said! IN THE WIND AND GONE hang loose and lose the watch!!!!
H~D stock touring suspension 2014-2022 was a main spring coil over, and a slave spring. You really only adjust 1 side. (left side). The right side tries to keep up with a much softer spring. My right side spring failed. It caused wobble and I was 2 up at the time it happened. We heard the spring fail. It was loud. I replaced the stock rear suspension with Legends Revo-A’s. What a world of difference. Loved it so much, I did front and rear right away on my next bike.
I think you made an excellent choice. I owned an 08 Road King and put on Progressive 944s and the mono suspension back in 2012 and loved it! Like riding on rails for me. I have legends front and rear on my 14 FreeWheeler now and like them as well but of course a different type of ride. Had a slight problem with the damping knob on one of the rears but was sent a replacement with free freight return with no hassle.
I have Fox IFP-QSR 12" since 2021 season and those are the best I've had. I also tested friend bikes with Ohlin's and they are not better. I live in Quebec where streets have more potholes than actual asphalt. I've set up the QSR to their more responsive setting and this is awesome! I recommand without hesitation!
I had a set of those 944s and I changed out to legend Revo A’s….. a serious night and day difference you get what you pay for but I will say that we ride two up and we’re loaded heavy so the Revo weighs with heavy springs really paid off along with the matching front end
Good video! I'm also running the Progressive FST Kit on my front end; got it for $500 plus tx (almost half the cost of Legends). Out back, I'm running RWD fully adjustable 13" Shocks (stock OE were 12" and not much adjustability)that have the reservoir attached to the shock body and are fully adjustable (got these for $900; the others [Legends, Ohlins, HD-SE/Ohlins, etc.] were all around $1500 or more. My setup works excellent for my style of riding (mostly 2-up, some hills/mountains, lot of along the beach So. Cal.). Tom M., '21 RGS, 114 Stage-2. Too many upgrades/mods to list (S&S, Fuel Moto, Dynojet PV3b, Saddlemen Road Sofa, HD, Dakota Digital, Rockford-Fosgate, Klock Werks, Trask, SirrusXM, etc., etc.)
Iv ran progressive 944 and was very pleased with them, I'm now using super shox on my current bike and absolutely love them. I haven't done the front yet though. I'm in NE Oklahoma and ride the Ozarks 90%of the time, love the area!!
My Progressive 944 were WAY to stiff, even on the softest setting. I have a 2014 Ultra and after a few hours of riding the bike was making my ass feel like I was the new guy on the cell block. I went with Legend rear shocks. I've heard the expression "Night & Day" difference, but it was justified here. I can not emphasize it in this message the ride difference.
I did the the Ohlin’s remote reservoir rear shocks on my 2022 Roadglide Limited . Absolutely luv them ! I’ll be doing the front cartridges over the winter .
‘19 RK rider here and really appreciate your help! At 190 lbs and mostly solo riding the stock rear shocks are way too stiff even at the loosest setting so am considering an upgrade. Besides improving ride comfort, your vid makes some other really good points re: suspension travel and ride height that I hadn’t thought of. Well done!
I'm going with the Wilbers self leveling shocks . No tools or adjustments needed after initial setup, and the shocks level out the ride even after adding a passenger/ gear. Pricey, but for the benefits and for the German engineering, Ill save up.
Liked this review. I live next door in oklahoma and our roads suck. Travel to Arkansas and Missouri to enjoy the great motorcycle roads there. Haven't changed my suspension yet. This gave me things to think about. Will check out your other videos.
Thats the best guide video, I’m a sub now. Tbh you should have put a link in the description for the setup you bought and get some deal from them for every click, i would love to tip you or see you benefit from this amazing video
@@J_Blaik I thought I had some links for revzilla and jp cycles. If you use these links it does support the link. Shop J&P Cycles? Use this link - bit.ly/rito-jp Shop Revzilla? Use this link - bit.ly/3JhMbb8
I had a set of progressive 440 shocks on my vtx1800 for 20 years. I just found one was leaking. I sent them to Progressive on the lifetime warranty. They sent me a new set of 444 shocks. Now I'm probably going to put a set on my 2023 Tri-Glide.
I just installed 13" PS 490 shocks and their cartridge front end kit on my 2012 SG for under $1000. The install was very easy and the forks were due a rebuild anyway. I have about 50k miles and should have made this upgrade a long time ago. It feels like a completely different bike, with a much safer, confident feel. No bottoming with a nice firm sporty feel. I love Ohlins and have them on my 1198s ducati but the Progressive Suspension are a high quality option that's reasonably priced. To be honest my SG doesn't need a very pricey suspension when the PS front and rear do a great job. I like the PS 490 shocks with aluminum body, easy compression/rebound adjustment better than the PS 944 or similar touring type PS shock. If anyone has ridden their bikes with the oem air ride rear and antiquated front damper rod system the $1000 front and rear upgrade will significantly change the vague feeling and bottoming out oem suspension.
I have been running the progressive 944s and the front cartridge shocks for about 2 years now on my 2018 flhx and I am completely satisfied. I think you will be happy.
Would love to have an update to this since youve been on em for 9 montgs now. I really like the FST aspect. I do a 50/50 solo 2 up loaded and unloaded and dont want to take a calculus college course to adjust my suspension. A little is fine, but i dont wanna crunch numbers and adjust for every knick knack my wife finds when we're on a weekend run. Thanks for the very informative video.
I installed the Wilburs nivamat system, abosolutely fantastic if switching weights and pillon alot as it self adjusts the height automatically, but if you ride solo id recommend you go with Ozarks progressive recommendations. Great Great video thankyou
Another option for front suspension would be DK Custom makes a drop in valve for front forks that rivals cartridge systems, but at around $250 with their oil, it's a no brainier compared to some of the $800- $1000 offerings from competitors.
Good review Mike ! Like you I decided to upgrade my suspension after 40K(+) miles on my HD TRIKE for the same reason. (Suspension getting rougher and bottoming out) I went with the LEGENDS front and rear and added the Trike Rear Lift kt. I absolutely LUV the ride now. Steering is even EZ'r. I choose Legends for the reputation and lifetime warranty. If I tried to do all the research you did I would just confuse myself !!! THANKS for sharing your videos !!!
Hey! New harley RGL owner here. I have less than 500 miles on my bike but felt that it needed a suspension upgrade. It was jarring going over railroad tracks and hearing everything rattle. I went with Legends Axeo and Revo A. The difference is night and day. I almost went with the Fox, but it seems that there aren't as many people on those as Legends. I hope I made the right choice. I also look forward to a long term review Mike!
You’re right about wanting to have your front end more planted. I had Legend Shocks front and rear on my 2012 Dyna Super Glide. Now with a HD 2020 Street Glide stock. I’m looking for a reason to change the current factory rear suspension. I just dialed the knob to about no. 4 on the rear factory rear shocks solo rider. However I do already know I want Legend front shocks to keep it in a straight line so it will be planted firmly and track more efficiently. Thank you
Great overview Mike. Sounds like a great solution. I just put legends on the RGS. Huge improvement in Ride comfort over the 12 inch stock rear shocks. I may do the front over the winter. Ride safe 👍👊🇺🇸
Great video. Thanks for your research. I see you are getting a lot of wind buffeting while you ride. Try the Harley front fork air deflectors....they basically have stopped it on my Harleys.
Great content. I am interested in upgrading my shocks, so this hit home with me. I will prob go Progressive for budget and the reputation they have built. Ride on!
My air Compressor failed on me while at Daytona Bike Week '23 I went to Destination and went to all three tents (legends, Ohlin and Progressive) i ended up with the 944s as well. Then I was mad that I was in Florida with no curves lol
I have Suspension Technologies system.... after 2 years it would bottom out if I hit a sinkhole in the road. I called them up And WITHOUT HESITATIONBI WAS GIVEN A BRAND NEW SET.... "LIFETIME WARRANTY "
Super Shox,,, they’re amazingly awesome! They have several types, the premiums for my Sg is a 14” with a bottom backset bracket,, giving me 3 1/2” of travel and leaving my bike at stock height!! Look em up on UA-cam!
Outstanding video my friend and thank you for the info. I have a new 2023 Road Glide Limited and the stock suspension is worse than a hard tail. Seriously. What was HD thinking? I want a soft and plush ride, 75/25 solo or two-up respectively. Suggestions?
A lot depends on your budget, a lot of shocks are rated for under 250 pounds and under or got to heavy duty if over 250. Which makes that transition from solo to 2 up difficult
Thanks! I"m about to upgrade the suspension on my Road Glide. I'd pretty much decided on the Legend Revo-A. However, I was going to have to stay with the 12", since I'm only 5'6". The extra travel on the Progressive 944 is very appealing, and I'm going to look into them some more before dropping any coin on upgrade suspension hardware. My plan is to upgrade the rear suspension first, then do the front sometime down the road. I'll find this out when I research the Progresssives, but do they have adjustments for both the slump and the rebound?
I believe the Ohlins and Legends both have life time warranty's, and the 12' rear shocks also have the 3" of travel.. that price you quote for the Progressive 944 is about the same as for the mid grade Ohlins and Legends.. now for the fork suspension system, yea the Progressive FST asymmetrical cartridge system looks like a good buy, however I didn't like the single, super-duty single spring design, so I passed on it. Yep budget minded too, but just about the first thing I did on the Street Glide, and the first thing on the Road King I did, change out that junk suspension and kept the same shock lengths. For the 21 street glide: 12" base model Ohlins, and for the front, Progressive springs with Ricor Cartridge Intiminators, for the 2020 Road King: 13" Bitubo Twin adjustables (rebuildable with 2 year warranty) in the rear, and Progressive springs with Ricor Cartridge Intiminators.. total cost would have been I think lower than your options that you are leaning towards.. In both cases, my front suspension upgrades seem still to be out performing the rear suspension up grades on both bikes (and that's about right since you tend to fell more suspension short comings in the rear) Note: Besure to select the appropriate spring rates for your rear shocks!
The Ohlin do not publish a warranty on their website and if you research it seems you have to take it up with the dealer if you have issues. They do not publish travel specs for the either of the 12" shocks that I can find, if you can find it in print send it to me. The price is not the same IMO the most Affordable setup was $1460 for Ohlin which is not far off but Ohlin Mid grade option HD159 (Rear) was another $300. Legends were $1700-1900. I am looking at $1300 with this setup.
@@RidingintheOzarks The front fork upgrades cost me $350, and Bitubo Twin adjustable shocks cost $500-550 (depending on the retailer. The Ohlins HD-039 rear shock are about $675 retail. depending on which of these two rear shocks one choses, a full suspension up grade would cost either less than $900 or just over $1000.. I can fill you in more this weekend, and if you want to do the install yourself and want some help, let me know
@@RidingintheOzarks I see you've already decided, but makes no matter to me, and will be interested to see what your final out come and thoughts are but I'm sure it will be a upgrade from what HD put in it.
$1500 budget for parts is still WAY out of my budget range...I need something more along the $250-$300 range, so I guess I need to look at a different video, because most likely, any of the ones you're covering, I could never afford...🖖🏿😎👍🏿
Hey, we're not far apart, I'm in Ardmore, OK . Would love to connect and someday get together as I love coming to Arkansas. I put Legend shocks on my 2019 Sportster 1200 quite awhile back and love them. I also have a 2019 Streetglide (explain later why have two 2019s) but after dropping it in deep sand in Colorado and breaking my ankle with it, I decided it was too heavy and had a trike kit put on it. It does have air shocks and I've wondered if I may have problems out on the road with that and what other options there were since now it would be very hard to get to the shocks to adjust them.
@@RidingintheOzarks Might, what's the BBB? I'm going to be going to Arizona in early October but was thinking about traveling over to Arkansas in later October or November.
@@RidingintheOzarks Might be, what's the BBB? I'm going to be traveling to Arizona in early October but might be over in Arkansas in later October or November and then going on to Mississippi.
@@RidingintheOzarks Okay, that's the first week of October (5-8th), so I doubt I'll be back in time to make it over there. Maybe next year as I'd heard about it and would love to see it.
Hey Brother, appreciate the information. Are you still satisfied with the progressive suspension? I have 17 CVO Ultra, and the suspension is just so, so, to me anyway. I ride 2 up a lot, also single a lot. I think I am going to Wilbers because it is a self adjusting system and I'm like you, I probably won't adjust the shocks for the 2 up or single rider, heck, I don't do it now so I don't see anything changing. What I have learned about Wilbers has got my attention and I can't find anything where people are trash talking them. They are a little more expensive than what I want to pay, but I'm only doing this once!! After writting this, I see jerrydelatorre5977 already wrote about the Wilbers and he loves them too apparently. Still saving up for them, so hopefully I can get them installed before this coming winter. That's A LOT OF MONEY for some dang shocks!!! Appreciate what ya do for the community Brother, ride safe!!!
I'm running stock on my 20 Ultra. Ran stock on my 16 SGS. I'm just not 100% sure spending that kind of $$ is worth it. I drive F150 and that is a stiff ride so am I just use to that type of suspension?? I flip flop on this worse than a fish out of water..lol Thanks for the informative video.
Fronts were improved on the 17's and later, I would consider an aftermarket 13 in shock, I will be doing some follow up install and review videos... Keep watching and maybe something will convince you one way or the other...
HEY NOW !!new Owner of a 96 classic glide,20k looking to delete air forks ,Anybody have any info on this process and parts needed ,HELP NEW TO THIS .thanks fello Riders.
Great Video Mike! I follow a few who have chosen Wilburs, but they are a European outfit. They clearly didnt make the cut, what was your reason not to include them?
Price, it looked to me like the start at over $1,100 and go up… for just the rear shocks. They may well be worth it but still out of my budget. I did take a look at them.
Mate i believe Your first step should have been to speak to a suspension tuner who doesn't have an elegance to any one brand but instead years of experience in satisfying customer satisfaction
I may not have covered it in detail but I talked to Certified Harley Techs That I know personally and that have installed systems I got testimonials from people I know from different parts of the world as well.
I am 6ft 5" tall and built like a bricked shit house, and my OEM HD air ride shocks are terrible! I have one option, max pressure for the worst ride ever, or, lower pressure and bottoming out over the smallest bumps with the same results. I am replacing these terrible shocks with those that are not air ride.
What Suspension would you choose and Why?
I did front and rear legends on my 14 SGS @ 50k. Used 13 inch rear shock over the original 12 inches.
Got 70k now, really improved all aspects of ride. Seems I get better tire wear as well.
I would buy legends again.
Progressive wouldn't make my top five. I did Legend Revo A in 13 inches. Ohlins, Fox, Rwd and Super Shox would be my top five
Great video and a ton of info. So on both bikes I went FOX. On my 2017 SGS I did HD spring kit, and then a set of 13" IFP-QSR FOX with dampening adjustment. On my 21 RKS I've only done the rear 13" FOX ifp-qsr. Both bikes ride night and day difference, especially the heavier SG with the springs as the bike holds a track alot better and at more speed. I can ride solo or 2 up with alot more confidence and comfort. I like FOX for the reputation and price point, as I can't see shelling out 1k for rears let alone adding the front. Think I have maybe 1100 across 2 bikes and that includes front install at a shop. Also you can still turn the adjuster by hand.
I have SCULLY air ride on my 2014 Streetglide Firefighter Shrine out of Wisconsin 😎🇺🇸
I did 13” fox rears on my rushmore SGS around 40k miles. Swapped to Pro Action 13” rears about 45k miles, WOW WOW. Was so impressed also installed Pro Action fork kit. Now got 54k miles
Like you, I did a lot of research… legends, progressive, oghlin’s and las Wilber’s. Luckily for me, I have friends with all these except for the Wilber’s… they were all good.. liked them all. I kept reading about Wilber’s… what I like about it, is that you set it and forget it… you add a passenger or luggage, it adjust itself. So I bought them… went to Sturgis with my lady and about 40 lbs of luggage… let me tell you… loved them… didn’t have to worry about adjusting as it did it on its own… never bottomed out. The curves at needles highway felt so good… so look into Wilber’s… I bought them at Laidlaw’s Harley Davidson ( yes, from Matt Laidlaw, very cool dude) for 1,800 for front and rear. Check them out.
I bought and installed Super Shox. 1000% better the stock Harley shocks!
I agree - the only person with an air ride system in our group had it fail. It was one of the more expensive ones on the market. No thanks.
Have progressive suspension on my wide glide and its good for what I use the bike for just a bar hopper. Went with fox on my ultra limited and they are amazing, went with fox because I'm from the north and have experience with them from snowmobiling going back to the 90s and for many years no other shock came close to the performance you got with fox.
What a great content, very helpful for me and anyone who is shopping for bagger suspensions for the first time. I love the approach of setting the budget first and then technical analysis. I always remind myself, any part for my Harley is just what I want, not what I need, so budget must come first. Thanks for this video!
Hello Wanderin Bear Here by way of Montana/Arizona THANKS MAN for taking the time out of your life to help the cause.
Better ridding, means longer riding, mean more ride, enough said! IN THE WIND AND GONE hang loose and lose the watch!!!!
H~D stock touring suspension 2014-2022 was a main spring coil over, and a slave spring. You really only adjust 1 side. (left side). The right side tries to keep up with a much softer spring. My right side spring failed. It caused wobble and I was 2 up at the time it happened. We heard the spring fail. It was loud. I replaced the stock rear suspension with Legends Revo-A’s. What a world of difference. Loved it so much, I did front and rear right away on my next bike.
I bought the Progressive 412 last month and absolutely love it. And it hardly dented my pocket. 👍🏻
What did you put them on? I was think of doing an upgrade since i'm about to run rack up 1200 miles next week.
I think you made an excellent choice. I owned an 08 Road King and put on Progressive 944s and the mono suspension back in 2012 and loved it! Like riding on rails for me. I have legends front and rear on my 14 FreeWheeler now and like them as well but of course a different type of ride. Had a slight problem with the damping knob on one of the rears but was sent a replacement with free freight return with no hassle.
Super Shox made in USA adjust by hand life time warranty under $900 for rear
I have Fox IFP-QSR 12" since 2021 season and those are the best I've had. I also tested friend bikes with Ohlin's and they are not better. I live in Quebec where streets have more potholes than actual asphalt. I've set up the QSR to their more responsive setting and this is awesome! I recommand without hesitation!
RICOR makes some excellent shocks and also valves for your forks.
Lifetime warranty... very high quality machining.
I had a set of those 944s and I changed out to legend Revo A’s….. a serious night and day difference you get what you pay for but I will say that we ride two up and we’re loaded heavy so the Revo weighs with heavy springs really paid off along with the matching front end
Good video! I'm also running the Progressive FST Kit on my front end; got it for $500 plus tx (almost half the cost of Legends). Out back, I'm running RWD fully adjustable 13" Shocks (stock OE were 12" and not much adjustability)that have the reservoir attached to the shock body and are fully adjustable (got these for $900; the others [Legends, Ohlins, HD-SE/Ohlins, etc.] were all around $1500 or more. My setup works excellent for my style of riding (mostly 2-up, some hills/mountains, lot of along the beach So. Cal.).
Tom M., '21 RGS, 114 Stage-2. Too many upgrades/mods to list (S&S, Fuel Moto, Dynojet PV3b, Saddlemen Road Sofa, HD, Dakota Digital, Rockford-Fosgate, Klock Werks, Trask, SirrusXM, etc., etc.)
Iv ran progressive 944 and was very pleased with them, I'm now using super shox on my current bike and absolutely love them. I haven't done the front yet though. I'm in NE Oklahoma and ride the Ozarks 90%of the time, love the area!!
Did same exact thing,progressives to supershox...great shocks!!!
My Progressive 944 were WAY to stiff, even on the softest setting. I have a 2014 Ultra and after a few hours of riding the bike was making my ass feel like I was the new guy on the cell block. I went with Legend rear shocks. I've heard the expression "Night & Day" difference, but it was justified here. I can not emphasize it in this message the ride difference.
Did you try the 444? I hear the 944 is heavy duty, for "spirited riding" or track im guessing, while the 444 is more what we'd be looking for.
@@alantorchia6674 I actually switched to legend and love them
Thanks Mike, you just help me to make a decision, i was undecided between Legends and Progressive.
Glad you found this helpful!
I did the the Ohlin’s remote reservoir rear shocks on my 2022 Roadglide Limited . Absolutely luv them ! I’ll be doing the front cartridges over the winter .
Suspension can really change the way a bike feels...
‘19 RK rider here and really appreciate your help! At 190 lbs and mostly solo riding the stock rear shocks are way too stiff even at the loosest setting so am considering an upgrade. Besides improving ride comfort, your vid makes some other really good points re: suspension travel and ride height that I hadn’t thought of. Well done!
Glad it helped you!
I'm going with the Wilbers self leveling shocks . No tools or adjustments needed after initial setup, and the shocks level out the ride even after adding a passenger/ gear. Pricey, but for the benefits and for the German engineering, Ill save up.
I here good things about them, just out of my budget...
Liked this review. I live next door in oklahoma and our roads suck. Travel to Arkansas and Missouri to enjoy the great motorcycle roads there. Haven't changed my suspension yet. This gave me things to think about. Will check out your other videos.
Hope you enjoy them!
Thats the best guide video, I’m a sub now.
Tbh you should have put a link in the description for the setup you bought and get some deal from them for every click, i would love to tip you or see you benefit from this amazing video
@@J_Blaik I thought I had some links for revzilla and jp cycles. If you use these links it does support the link. Shop J&P Cycles? Use this link - bit.ly/rito-jp
Shop Revzilla? Use this link - bit.ly/3JhMbb8
As a heavier guy I have been looking and settled on RaceTech. Hopefully sooner than later.. built to order a bit of a wait.
I had a set of progressive 440 shocks on my vtx1800 for 20 years. I just found one was leaking. I sent them to Progressive on the lifetime warranty. They sent me a new set of 444 shocks. Now I'm probably going to put a set on my 2023 Tri-Glide.
I just installed 13" PS 490 shocks and their cartridge front end kit on my 2012 SG for under $1000. The install was very easy and the forks were due a rebuild anyway. I have about 50k miles and should have made this upgrade a long time ago. It feels like a completely different bike, with a much safer, confident feel. No bottoming with a nice firm sporty feel. I love Ohlins and have them on my 1198s ducati but the Progressive Suspension are a high quality option that's reasonably priced. To be honest my SG doesn't need a very pricey suspension when the PS front and rear do a great job. I like the PS 490 shocks with aluminum body, easy compression/rebound adjustment better than the PS 944 or similar touring type PS shock. If anyone has ridden their bikes with the oem air ride rear and antiquated front damper rod system the $1000 front and rear upgrade will significantly change the vague feeling and bottoming out oem suspension.
Excellent video, organized and well thought out with an eye on practicality. I wish I could find more videos like this on an array of subjects.
Thank you!
I have been running the progressive 944s and the front cartridge shocks for about 2 years now on my 2018 flhx and I am completely satisfied. I think you will be happy.
Thanks Jerry
Do you think the 944 are a huge improvement in ride softness vs the stiff stock air???
I don’t know about this shock, but I am loving my RWD RS1 shocks on my 22 SGST! Efing badazz!
Would love to have an update to this since youve been on em for 9 montgs now. I really like the FST aspect. I do a 50/50 solo 2 up loaded and unloaded and dont want to take a calculus college course to adjust my suspension. A little is fine, but i dont wanna crunch numbers and adjust for every knick knack my wife finds when we're on a weekend run. Thanks for the very informative video.
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I installed the Wilburs nivamat system, abosolutely fantastic if switching weights and pillon alot as it self adjusts the height automatically, but if you ride solo id recommend you go with Ozarks progressive recommendations. Great Great video thankyou
Another option for front suspension would be DK Custom makes a drop in valve for front forks that rivals cartridge systems, but at around $250 with their oil, it's a no brainier compared to some of the $800- $1000 offerings from competitors.
Have you done them yet? If so let me know what you think after 10K miles.
@@RidingintheOzarks I just learned about them. Thinking of doing it next Spring, I'll have to hustle to find that kind of cash.
Thanks for sharing your research there’s so many options to choose from , and I would definitely stay away from air ride
Your welcome, thanks for watching!
I had progressive shocks on my 19 sporty and wow it was a big difference now im going to add them on my EGS
I have had them on Dynas before too, love PS.
Man so much info. Thanks for doing all this leg work.
Thanks for watching!
You are awesome. Well grounded and a great speaker.
Good review Mike ! Like you I decided to upgrade my suspension after 40K(+) miles on my HD TRIKE for the same reason. (Suspension getting rougher and bottoming out)
I went with the LEGENDS front and rear and added the Trike Rear Lift kt. I absolutely LUV the ride now. Steering is even EZ'r. I choose Legends for the reputation and lifetime warranty.
If I tried to do all the research you did I would just confuse myself !!! THANKS for sharing your videos !!!
My man throwing out some math. Nice work and thank you for all of this information. It's like a one stop shop for someone the market.
Hey! New harley RGL owner here. I have less than 500 miles on my bike but felt that it needed a suspension upgrade. It was jarring going over railroad tracks and hearing everything rattle. I went with Legends Axeo and Revo A. The difference is night and day. I almost went with the Fox, but it seems that there aren't as many people on those as Legends. I hope I made the right choice. I also look forward to a long term review Mike!
The Progressive suspension looks like something I may want to check into for myself. Thanks for all the great info man.
No problem 👍
You’re right about wanting to have your front end more planted. I had Legend Shocks front and rear on my 2012 Dyna Super Glide. Now with a HD 2020 Street Glide stock. I’m looking for a reason to change the current factory rear suspension. I just dialed the knob to about no. 4 on the rear factory rear shocks solo rider. However I do already know I want Legend front shocks to keep it in a straight line so it will be planted firmly and track more efficiently. Thank you
great video, sure to help me decide what I need, suspension is first on my list
Awesome awesome work Mike. I actually bookmarked this one for the day I EVENTUALLY get a bagger lol. Ride safe brother.
Thanks Brett!
Lots of good information, thanks for doing the homework.
Right on! Very helpful info. Thanks, Mike!
Your welcome!
Very helpful info sir!
Great overview Mike. Sounds like a great solution. I just put legends on the RGS. Huge improvement in Ride comfort over the 12 inch stock rear shocks. I may do the front over the winter. Ride safe 👍👊🇺🇸
Thanks Rick! I hear good things about Legends!
Great video, exactly the info I needed
Glad it helps!
Great video. Thanks for your research. I see you are getting a lot of wind buffeting while you ride. Try the Harley front fork air deflectors....they basically have stopped it on my Harleys.
Great content. I am interested in upgrading my shocks, so this hit home with me. I will prob go Progressive for budget and the reputation they have built. Ride on!
Thanks!
My air Compressor failed on me while at Daytona Bike Week '23 I went to Destination and went to all three tents (legends, Ohlin and Progressive) i ended up with the 944s as well. Then I was mad that I was in Florida with no curves lol
I think you will be happy with the choice, I am going to be putting out my long term review soon.
I have Suspension Technologies system.... after 2 years it would bottom out if I hit a sinkhole in the road. I called them up And WITHOUT HESITATIONBI WAS GIVEN A BRAND NEW SET.... "LIFETIME WARRANTY "
Great to hear!
Sound's like a nice setup brother....gotta be comfortable on those road trips👊🏽😎
Thanks Dan I think this will definitely help
thank you very informative Great Job
Great review brother. Definitely looking at the progressive.
Hey man , great honest review no bullshit thanks.
Your welcome
great video as always
Thanks! Don’t forget to give it a thumbs up if you liked it, comments and likes really do help!
I just put the 944s on my 2011 ultra limited and they are a great shock...
Good to hear!
excellent review Thank You
when you install the rear SWING ARM will be twisted so just start your bolts finger tight THROTTLE SIDE FIRST... 🤙🇺🇲👍🏼🍻
I love my 944
Can you reply with the part numbers or links for the front are rear suspension you used?
Super Shox,,, they’re amazingly awesome! They have several types, the premiums for my Sg is a 14” with a bottom backset bracket,, giving me 3 1/2” of travel and leaving my bike at stock height!! Look em up on UA-cam!
Super shox is da bomb!!
That is a great video
Outstanding video my friend and thank you for the info. I have a new 2023 Road Glide Limited and the stock suspension is worse than a hard tail. Seriously. What was HD thinking? I want a soft and plush ride, 75/25 solo or two-up respectively. Suggestions?
A lot depends on your budget, a lot of shocks are rated for under 250 pounds and under or got to heavy duty if over 250. Which makes that transition from solo to 2 up difficult
Nice video! I'm in the market for my 2013 CVO ultra and this helped a great deal.
Thanks for sharing
Thanks! I"m about to upgrade the suspension on my Road Glide. I'd pretty much decided on the Legend Revo-A. However, I was going to have to stay with the 12", since I'm only 5'6". The extra travel on the Progressive 944 is very appealing, and I'm going to look into them some more before dropping any coin on upgrade suspension hardware. My plan is to upgrade the rear suspension first, then do the front sometime down the road.
I'll find this out when I research the Progresssives, but do they have adjustments for both the slump and the rebound?
Not on the 944 because of the FST…
An extra 1/2 always matters.
Has the stock suspension on the newer model street glide special improved to where it’s not one of first of the important upgrades needed to be done?
I know they improved the front suspension after my 16 ( i think it was in 18) but the rear is about the same as far as I know.
Progressive are awesome and not that bad on the wallet
Did you make a follow up video? Just looked but didn't find one. How did it turn out?
Working on the review now, I wanted to put a riding season on them so I had more than an initial reaction.
I believe the Ohlins and Legends both have life time warranty's, and the 12' rear shocks also have the 3" of travel.. that price you quote for the Progressive 944 is about the same as for the mid grade Ohlins and Legends.. now for the fork suspension system, yea the Progressive FST asymmetrical cartridge system looks like a good buy, however I didn't like the single, super-duty single spring design, so I passed on it. Yep budget minded too, but just about the first thing I did on the Street Glide, and the first thing on the Road King I did, change out that junk suspension and kept the same shock lengths. For the 21 street glide: 12" base model Ohlins, and for the front, Progressive springs with Ricor Cartridge Intiminators, for the 2020 Road King: 13" Bitubo Twin adjustables (rebuildable with 2 year warranty) in the rear, and Progressive springs with Ricor Cartridge Intiminators.. total cost would have been I think lower than your options that you are leaning towards.. In both cases, my front suspension upgrades seem still to be out performing the rear suspension up grades on both bikes (and that's about right since you tend to fell more suspension short comings in the rear) Note: Besure to select the appropriate spring rates for your rear shocks!
The Ohlin do not publish a warranty on their website and if you research it seems you have to take it up with the dealer if you have issues. They do not publish travel specs for the either of the 12" shocks that I can find, if you can find it in print send it to me. The price is not the same IMO the most Affordable setup was $1460 for Ohlin which is not far off but Ohlin Mid grade option HD159 (Rear) was another $300. Legends were $1700-1900. I am looking at $1300 with this setup.
@@RidingintheOzarks The front fork upgrades cost me $350, and Bitubo Twin adjustable shocks cost $500-550 (depending on the retailer. The Ohlins HD-039 rear shock are about $675 retail. depending on which of these two rear shocks one choses, a full suspension up grade would cost either less than $900 or just over $1000.. I can fill you in more this weekend, and if you want to do the install yourself and want some help, let me know
I want a fork Cartridge setup and a brand I know, this solution is neither. I am glad your happy with it, but it doesn't meet what I am looking for.
@@RidingintheOzarks I see you've already decided, but makes no matter to me, and will be interested to see what your final out come and thoughts are but I'm sure it will be a upgrade from what HD put in it.
@@ut1004bp I thought it was pretty clear I had made my mind up in the video, sorry if I didn’t make that clear.
RS1 for me on my ‘22 SGST
I chose legends 13"
Why wasn't Wilber suspension considered? Thanks!
Price is was not something that was near my budget so I didn’t think it was fair to include it…
@RidingintheOzarks oh ya, that makes sense. Does seem very expensive at over $2500.
At only 160 lbs and mostly solo but like to rode aggressive at times is it still recommended?
I would contact them, I have a friend who is light and has carbon fiber so the bike is lighter and finds them to stiff for him
$1500 budget for parts is still WAY out of my budget range...I need something more along the $250-$300 range, so I guess I need to look at a different video, because most likely, any of the ones you're covering, I could never afford...🖖🏿😎👍🏿
Well I can tell you progressive has some more affordable options than I chose
One commenter mentioned a DK Customs doohickey...
Hey, we're not far apart, I'm in Ardmore, OK . Would love to connect and someday get together as I love coming to Arkansas. I put Legend shocks on my 2019 Sportster 1200 quite awhile back and love them. I also have a 2019 Streetglide (explain later why have two 2019s) but after dropping it in deep sand in Colorado and breaking my ankle with it, I decided it was too heavy and had a trike kit put on it. It does have air shocks and I've wondered if I may have problems out on the road with that and what other options there were since now it would be very hard to get to the shocks to adjust them.
Are you coming to BBB in October? We will be staying in ES for that.
@@RidingintheOzarks Might, what's the BBB? I'm going to be going to Arizona in early October but was thinking about traveling over to Arkansas in later October or November.
@@RidingintheOzarks Might be, what's the BBB? I'm going to be traveling to Arizona in early October but might be over in Arkansas in later October or November and then going on to Mississippi.
@@petekeener8943 bikes blues & BBQ Rally, it’s biggest rally I know of in the Midwest
@@RidingintheOzarks Okay, that's the first week of October (5-8th), so I doubt I'll be back in time to make it over there. Maybe next year as I'd heard about it and would love to see it.
Hey Brother, appreciate the information. Are you still satisfied with the progressive suspension? I have 17 CVO Ultra, and the suspension is just so, so, to me anyway. I ride 2 up a lot, also single a lot. I think I am going to Wilbers because it is a self adjusting system and I'm like you, I probably won't adjust the shocks for the 2 up or single rider, heck, I don't do it now so I don't see anything changing. What I have learned about Wilbers has got my attention and I can't find anything where people are trash talking them. They are a little more expensive than what I want to pay, but I'm only doing this once!! After writting this, I see jerrydelatorre5977 already wrote about the Wilbers and he loves them too apparently. Still saving up for them, so hopefully I can get them installed before this coming winter. That's A LOT OF MONEY for some dang shocks!!! Appreciate what ya do for the community Brother, ride safe!!!
I am happy but primarily ride solo so I don’t have to adjust them, if I could afford Wilber’s I would have looked harder at them.
@@RidingintheOzarks Yeah man, they are proud of them for sure!!!
What did you go with? And did you do another video?
Yes there is a review video on the progressive suspension I picked up
I put 944 on rear ,still checking it out
I'm running stock on my 20 Ultra. Ran stock on my 16 SGS. I'm just not 100% sure spending that kind of $$ is worth it. I drive F150 and that is a stiff ride so am I just use to that type of suspension?? I flip flop on this worse than a fish out of water..lol Thanks for the informative video.
Fronts were improved on the 17's and later, I would consider an aftermarket 13 in shock, I will be doing some follow up install and review videos... Keep watching and maybe something will convince you one way or the other...
@@RidingintheOzarks will do.. If I do it is between the Progressive or Legends. So interested in your take on the Progressives
So are you still happy with the shocks
full review coming soon but short answer is yes
HEY NOW !!new Owner of a 96 classic glide,20k looking to delete air forks ,Anybody have any info on this process and parts needed ,HELP NEW TO THIS .thanks fello Riders.
Nice content…
Thanks!
Great Video Mike! I follow a few who have chosen Wilburs, but they are a European outfit. They clearly didnt make the cut, what was your reason not to include them?
Price, it looked to me like the start at over $1,100 and go up… for just the rear shocks. They may well be worth it but still out of my budget. I did take a look at them.
Mate i believe Your first step should have been to speak to a suspension tuner who doesn't have an elegance to any one brand but instead years of experience in satisfying customer satisfaction
I may not have covered it in detail but I talked to Certified Harley Techs That I know personally and that have installed systems I got testimonials from people I know from different parts of the world as well.
Does anyone have experience with RWD?
I’m have this very dilemma.
If you could only do one? Front or rear?
Rear if only one but depending on setup I would probably look at better springs and new oil at least if can’t do a cartridge front right now.
I dont know what bike you are referring to, but If only front or rear was the choice, spend your hard earn money on rear suspension up grade first,
@@ut1004bp 14’ RoadKing
@@JaySorsby1 I would first start with the Rear shock replacement..
@@ut1004bp Damn. Those are the expensive ones. 😁
Legends are incredible warranty claim is fast
Great Video, I live in FT Smith and will be watching for you in the curves.
Thanks we will hit ES for Spring Fling in April! Love me some Cathouse grub and a good party!!
What is firecracker riding??!!
She is Riding a 2019 Sport Glide
Thank you. Great review. What kind of bike does your gf have?
Should choose Wilbers a great suspension kit
I looked at them but they are out of my budget
Thanks, Great video Great information
Nick in Arizona
I am 6ft 5" tall and built like a bricked shit house, and my OEM HD air ride shocks are terrible! I have one option, max pressure for the worst ride ever, or, lower pressure and bottoming out over the smallest bumps with the same results. I am replacing these terrible shocks with those that are not air ride.
Wilbers suspension set it once and never have to do it again...
I looked and way out of my price range...
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You trust, Matt Laidlaw !!?
I think he is pretty fair when he reviews stuff. Not saying he isn’t biased in some ways but we are all like what we like…