Did Indian Just Destroy Themselves with a Harley Clone?
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- Опубліковано 17 вер 2018
- The Chief Glide? The Streetain? There are all kinds of names going around for this obvious homage to the Street Glide. But one thing is for sure, it's an Indian.
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I would buy this model before the Chieftain Classic. I love the lines and flow of this bike.
I was so close to buying victory and they pulled the plug. I think this is what I'm looking towards now.
It is definitely beautiful.
How long will it take you to pull the plug this time?
If you really wanted a Victory when they pulled the plug, and didn't buy one, then you are dumb, they had some incredible sales and if yo really wanted one, you would have got an incredible deal.
I think you are all talk
I have several Indian's, just go for it if you are serious, its just a motorcycle
I bought two Victorys when they pulled the plug. Thanks :)
This bike might get me off my Harley
I’m a streetglide owner and I took one of these for a test ride. I loved everything about it especially the cylinder cutoff at a stoplight which really helped tame the engine heat and was way smoother than harleys cutoff. I’m definitely considering one of these when it’s time to trade.
Ron Hamilton Harley has had that feature for like 10 years.
and was way smoother than harleys cutoff
You can get water cooled heads on Harley now.
1 2 yeah for like 5 years now lol
That cut-off feature is nice but just offers something else to fail. I'd rather find another solution like a shield of some kind.
Its still decades over HD in the tech department as far as locking bags/keyless locks, power windscreen, driving modes (which aren't exactly a big deal) but there are plenty of advantages.. They are on par with HD pricing here as well $32k for a SGS or $29K for a Darkhorse... I'd have to go Indian just to say its not a Harley I guess.
Don’t worry soo much dude!
Who cares?
Ride and be happy !
You’ll live longer!
OMG! You had me rolling on the floor laughing 😂. I like the new limited. If it would have been out in 2017 I would have bought it. Indian did a great job.
I bought one because of the look just be happy they are selling them get over it
Fairing reminds me of the Victory cross country more than a street glide. But you still have the classic anyways so it's all good.
Craig Hall exactly what I was thinking. My best friends dad has the '17 Victory Cross Country in Pearl White, man is that thing beautiful. Back on topic though, like you said it looks more like the Vic Cross Country than a Street Glide.
I bought a '17 Chieftain Limited after I rode it back-to-back with a Street Glide. I actually prefer the look of the HD but I went for function over form. The adjustable windshield, superior suspension and easy clutch engagement on the Indian sold me. After 10K miles, I can say the seat is awesome too. The Street Glide is a fine machine but for me, the Chieftain was just more comfortable out of the box and that means more fun riding.
Looks are more victory than HD. New bike looks great.
Andrew White I wish I could see it more as a Victory than an HD. I just can't seem to see it.
LOL the wheels are exact copies of the wheels on my 2019 Street Glide Special
1 2 Ironically, the wheels are one of the only things that are uniquely Indian. They've had those wheels since 2017, so if your 2019 has them, that's actually something HD copied from Indian.
Um...Do you even pay attention to Harley? Those wheels look almost exactly like the Iron 883's wheels... Which they've been producing for over 10 years. The street glide specials wheels look like the Irons. This comment is just ridiculous man.
There are only so many configurations you can do to a wheel. There eventually will be look-a-likes sooner or later.
Loved this video. Lots of work and thought put into it. Cheers.
Keith Charette Thank you! 😊
Man this is a funny but great video!!!
Thanks for that!!!
Have a great weekend buddy 🤜🤛
I love this change, I'll be grabbing the 2019 Indian Chieftain in November, if they hadn't offered this style my choice would've been a 2019 Harley Streetglide, now I can safely say without question, Indian it is, thanks for the changes, I personally felt they were long overdue, and it's nice that the classic is still an option for the CLASSIC PEOPLE.
It's the best looking Indian in a long time. Finally got rid of the gaudy fake chrome on the fairing.
One of the guys I ride with took that fake thing of and put a black one on his black bike and it looks so much better
Victory styling touches. Especially around the headlight
I also hated the chrome on the fairing.
Well put sir. Well put. You won me over. I felt literally the same way and u made quite the elegant argument. Subbed!!!
I’m a smaller man, and Indian is just too big. Will have to sit on one of these.
myself and my 2 brothers are long time Harley owners. We stopped at our local Indian dealer yesterday and when we all spotted this identical bike we all fell in love with it. As a matter of fact my brother is trading in his bad ass 2015 Street Glide in for it! I'm up for a new bike soon and my first stop will be the Indian dealer. Indian offered my brother more for his Indian than 3 different Harley dealers. This move by Indian was brilliant. The people at the Brookfield CT dealer are fantastic and the owner is top notch..
As a Deuce and Street Glide owner, I think that's a damn nice looking bike. I'm not a red guy, but that's a beautiful color. The only change I would make to that bike would be to color match the indian bonnet on the fender. Four wheels good, two wheels better.
I loved it at first sight! The only thing is I don't have 25 grand and I don't want more debt.
You had me crying, subbed!
The new dark horse is my favorite. It's still an Indian.. I was torn between Harley or Indian but now I'm sold on indian. It's beautiful
Great video from first sight I didnt feel it looked like a street glide I said it's an Indian an the decision to upgrade the look and also offer the retro look is great in my opinion there's always gonna be people that down talk new things to me it looks great the colors and along with the ride modes an all I think once people see it they will buy! I love Indian!
I like the classic, friend of mine has a 2017 street glide, parked it next to a new 2019 chieftain at a Indian dealership, The similarities were unbelievable , the owners couldn’t believe it. If it weren’t for the names on the tanks, from 20 or 30 feet, you would swear they were both street glides!
To be livid over something as petty as that tells me you need to up that dose of Xanax. Lol get over it.
After decades of Harley ownership and now years of Indian, I’ll never go back to Harley.
Indian will be the only sole American brand left and soon they will make Indians in China, this is something that after this trade war is that Polaris will plan to put the final nail in the coffin on Harley-Davidson and including a Chinese brand that makes Harley-Davidson clones, in a way the Made in China Indians are only for the Chinese market.
I like this new chieftain and will end up on one. I’m one who did not care for the locomotive look. I can’t wait for the review video and to see what’s refined on the 2019.
Great video sir! -Subscribed- =)
I think the Harley Pukes are going to have a lot of fun with that one.
In spite of a lot of opinions about the "gaudy" ,as some may call it, front fender, as well as its Indian head fender ornament, I feel like it was and, in my opinion, still is the trade mark of the true Indian cruiser. It is the ONLY feature that makes an Indian unique and sets it apart from any other cruiser. It manifests its identity, and indicates its heritage. Once changed or removed gives it a "hybrid" look and looses some of its personality.
it's a polaris it's heritage comes from a snowmobile.
To you, this may be true. To me, it's a resurrection of the Indian motorcycle from 1901 and enjoying its looks and ride. That's all I need to know.
That front fender is a semi close replica of the 1950-ish Indian front fender. I personally don't care much for it, mostly because its not exactly my style. People complained about that fender not having the ornament, so for 2019, POOF its back on all bikes except the scout.
I agree. I think the return of the Indian war ornament was a good idea. As far as the fender, I'm new into motorcycle riding and just like its shape. Not to compare it to the original 1901 version, just the way it looks today. A bit nostalgic of the past. Probably a pain in the butt to do brake repairs or replacements though. Ride safe.
Blackhawk 247
Just did brake pads, piece of cake on the Classic.
Right under the dust cover.
I'm still in livid mode.
R.I.P Indian 1952, end of story. If Indian had survived there bikes would have been crotch rockets. They were at the forefront of technology.there failure was due to bad business, not relying on 100 year old tractor technology. Anything after 1952 with the Indian logo doesn’t live up to hendee Indian legacy
Hey do you do Radio? If not, you have the perfect voice for it!
I went through the exact same emotions in the same order as you , at least so far. I have decided to reserve judgement until I see one in person. Once I saw the Shawn Smokes video of one , I began to change my mind even then. I hope it sells like hot cakes and Indian thrives. I love my 2017 Roadmaster.
Actually it was brilliant on Indians part. The Street Glide is arguably the most popular bike on the road. Add in Indian motorcycles better rear suspension and they might pull loyal Harley owners away. Maybe it will bring those Victory buyers back who left to God only knows where. As a Harley guy I don’t really appreciate it looking a little like a copy cat but, being honest it was a brilliant move if they don’t get sued. Ride what you like and enjoy it. Ride safe. 👍
An Indian that looks like a FREAKING HARLEY DAVIDSON!
Beer over Xanax, ha, ha...but don`t start riding immediately!
I ride a Road Glide, a VRod and a KTM 300 XCW-TPI (dirt). I admire Indians but was not much of a fan of their very classic "Indian" look, this is a good alternative to their other models and a direct competitor to the StreetGlide.
It is a beautiful bike, in the same way a Street Glide is a beautiful bike. But this is not unlike the classic Ford / Chevy battles with F-150 going against the Chevy Truck or the Mustang vs Camaro. Brands are their distinctive design. This bike looks like a Street Glide, no doubt. Now the Street Glide looks like an Indian Chieftain. So it makes the decision more about the mechanics than the styling. I say it is not original, like last years and recent year bikes have been. It looks like someone said "if we can't beat them, join them". Not saying there's anything wrong with that. But many of us just like the independent "it's NOT a Harley" feeling.
It's still not a Harley......
Do you see that as good or bad?
It will probably always be better than a Harley.
Indian designed a clean sheet up to date technology bike.
They had old hands who knew Harley's issues well and brought out a much better product in many ways.
Starting new and taking 2 years to get it together really gave Indian an opportunity to excel and they have not dropped the ball in any way.
The bikes are just about bullet proof. Indian of Orlando is giving a free 1,000,000 mile warranty now on the running gear.
That alone makes it hard to buy anything else and also states the long term durability of the Indian brand.
If you can demo ride one and not want it, don't ride it twice.
They sell themselves, the crew at Indian got it right.
If it looks like a Harley, it's a better Harley. I see some resemblance, but I can tell them apart easily so they are not that much alike.
The Indian looks better to me.
One Slave I couldn't agree with you more man. Everything you just said is spot on. I'm so tired of everyone crying and bitching about how it looks like a Harley, if anything to me it looks more like a Victory Cross Country than a HD Road Glide.
You made my day ! 🤣😁
GSX-R 1000 Thanks! That's all I aim for 😊
That 111 motor is at least partially responsible for the global warming phenomenon we are currently experiencing. Hot, hot, hot, hot, and, coincidentally, very hot.
About time you fixed the front end
I just got done cleaning the bike with F11....
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
If your a bigger or taller rider then you might want to consider the Chieftain. It offers an adjustable windshield too which is hard to pass up. Have to say after riding one and a street glide, the comfort level alone sold me.
The scout looks like a sportster
Looks awesome!
New sub, nice video
I bought a 2018 Chieftain Limited happy with it happy with the look won't change it, but I agree with your thoughts, great video
This bike with the Flat Gold is insane looking
Life’s about choices... I have a 17 Chieftain Limited and wouldn’t trade it for the 19’s..
I personally love the turn signals in the fairing too..
Still think it looks like a 1950's freight train
Victory Vision, Buell Ulysses, St1300, xr 650l vtr1000 owner here. Like the bike! Maybe a cinematic shot with your Zeiss lens of the ol' gal next time. It was hard to see in the shade with my flip phone..Thanks!
Fuzzy Was Thanks! If you look at my video published right after this one, you'll see exactly what you're looking for 😊
Next bike looks just like a Harley Street glide
I’d buy an Indian if they took the victory cross country and stuck an Indian badge on it.
No. What better way to get harley riders to come over. You build a bike simular to what they are comfortable with. They still build the Chieftain classic so.
Just subscribed. I’m willing to take your advice. But reckon I’ll stick with my chief dark horse.
I convinced myself that the new Chieftain fairing looks more like Victory Magnum than street glide.
Ahh Night relax lol. I just had a 2018 limited overnight while my vegas was in the shop. Second full sized Indian ive rideen (dark horse 1st), gee the rear cylinder heat is noticeable and for someone who is 5'7" i found it easy to ride. Maybe a future purchase
I had a beer, a Zanax, and shitload of tacos.
Adam Sandoval put 4k miles on his before reviewing it. Listed both pro and con.
I like it! The only thing I would like is the option for the fairing with the built in passing lamps. Love the front fender and new bags!
i almost signed the dotted line on a 19 street glide with stage 4 but decided to go up the street first to the Indian dealer and i'm glad I did! love the new chieftain dark horse and signed the dotted line that same afternoon bye bye harley! not to mention the fact that Indian contains over 95% US made parts unlike harley
I was in the same boat. Infuriated at first, and then saw it in person! Can’t wait for that tax return!!
I wonder if this was a Victory fairing that was waiting in the wings and they had this fairing design for it a long time ago and wanted to try it on one of the new bikes?
Beautiful! Love those Indians! They just get better and better!
Wait, are you saying there was a time when twin cylinder Indians and Harleys didn't look similar? I must have missed it.
The first thing I thought was "finally brought cross country styling"
But sadly didn't bring the victory ohc motor
It is maybe an option on the looks but not on the buck for Victory owners. Saludos de Mexico
You still have a choice! There are two Chieftains ! So even if they look like a street glide at least the engine will not self destruct!
Indian is the real deal and DEPENDABLE!
i just regret it misses the typical big indian front fender
It's weird because I just opened youtube and the first thing I said was that's a nice harley, only to find out it was an indian. I do prefer Indian but I was definitely confused with the new design.
Looking good !!!
Why put the bike in the shade and you in the sun? Not good.
You want to know why? You REALLY want to know why??? Because I'm a moron :) lol... I did a first take of this the day before when it was afternoon and the sun was in the western sky. The lighting was great. But my battery died halfway through :/ So I re-shot it the next morning before the dealership opened, and the lighting was less than great :(
I had the same response, first was urgh! Then I warmed to it very quickly.
Sold my Cross Country as soon as I got the news. Polaris - never again.
A few years back, there was a video that explained that Victory was only a R&D platform and precursor for the Indian Motorcycle. All the R&D they gleaned for that 10 year period for the engine, suspension and durability was ALL going into the Indian Motorcycle.
The CEO bought the rights (lot's of red tape and money later) from the folks that las owned Indian because he was a HUGE fan.
Polaris could have done a much better job with PR and giving the Victory folks at least a year heads up, but they didn't which is why many were so angry with them.
Fast forward...So, the Indian was produced with amazing engineering and technology...I almost bought one, but bought a HD instead not because the Indian wasn't an amazing bike, it was, but because of fear, the fear I had if Indian went under again.
I drove to Fresno's Polaris dealer a few times to check out the Indian Chief, a beautiful bright red one too!
I checked out the other brands too like BMW, Victory, Honda, Triumph and others, but since I had a HD back in the late 70s (1974 HD Super glide FXE...Kick start & electric start), I went for another one.
Competition and rivalry is healthy but is certainly one thing, but the sub-abusive and abrasive banter between Indian and HD is clearly not a healthy relationship.
It's like ok, I like the LA Dodgers and you like the Cleveland Indians (I couldn't resist...Hehehe) but we both love baseball, their both American Icons and we, I assume like beer, apple pie and America, right? So why all the battling if it keeps jobs here in the good ole US of A and gives us another option?
We Americans love "things, gadgets, tools, cars...And we loves us our motorbikes too!"
Was it "Aristotle" or "Rodney King" that said" "Why can't we just get along?"
So as it goes, the rivalry continues, finger pointing, accusations of unfairness, copying and legitimacy, it rages on!
I don't know if it will ever stop, but, I do know that the 2020 Indian Challenger is pretty well received by many (not all) and I for one think it's a pretty slick scooter.
Do I really need to remind you why you ride a motorcycle in the first place?
Why you love the freedom, wind in your face, heart pumping adrenalin rush of hauling ass down a country road, stretch of desert pavement or winding coastal highway?
Jeez, you all bicker like an old married couple, just don't forget WHY you ride in the first place and why "choice, freedom and apple pie" in a country where men AND women have given their lives providing it to you is so important!
Maybe you've lost sight of that!
Let's just be more accepting, tolerant and appreciative if something newer (even if they say it's older) comes our way.
We don't have to swap spit, but we do have to co-exist in a country where we have abundance, beauty, liberty and and choice!
Remember that when you ride your motorcycle and when you vote!
Harley or Indian? Apple pie or cherry pie? Blond, brunette or red head?
You choose, either way, you've chosen right!
God Bless America!
-Cuno Wiederhold
Does it have chrome plastic on it?
So I can jokingly put an Indian logo on my Street Glide? And no one could tell the difference?
Dude, it doesn't look like a street glide, it looks more like a victory, and why not. The technology supporting these brands far surpasses that of HD and anyone who has looked into it knows this. Yes that bike looks like a victory with the Chieftain rocker covers, but that it is all. Do you want Indian to make sale headway against the upcoming 2019 HD range? Take a deep breath and just enjoy the superior design and manufacturing qualities of the bike when it comes out.
I'm glad that Indian now offers the traditional look as well as the new more progressive or modern look with the limiteds. When Polaris decided to scratch victory, I thought that was the silliest idea around because the traditional look of Indians doesn't appeal to nearly as many as the more modern look that HD has been making for years. The traditional look doesn't appeal to any rider under the age of 65 years old which is a huge market to just hand to the competitor. I'm much prefer the fit of the Victory / Indian to the HD. Most Harleys don't have nearly enough leg room compared to Victory / Indian. They say just get highway pegs for it but it's nice being able to keep my foot on the running board near the controls and having it fit comfortably.
I like it, now just have to win the lottery!
It does look better than a street glide, but it is a straight up clone. Thank God the rest of the line up isn't.
lolzzzzz
enough. now. I want to see you on netflix.
I just bought a 18 fat bob 114, and I live in Hudson Ma, let’s ride some day!
The new Indian lineup is amazing. I’m a huge fan of the new Chieftain. Took it out for a test ride this summer and I’m hooked. Just can’t afford that sticker price. So, I’ll stick with my Kawasaki Vulcan 999 Classic and just dream...
Thank you, you’re right man ! First think about it ! And give it a chance, if you don’t like afterwords you don’t loose anything. Thank you for bringing me down. I will take a look if they arrive Germany. Greetings to big brother 😃
The old saying goes...”if you can’t beat em ,join em”!
Indian has been stealing from Harley since the early 1900’s
I love this bike I took a test ride on one already and I am planning on buying myself one
I did not buy the other one because of the old fairing. I just did not buy in to the 1950's train thing. This looks much sharper. Afraid of the seating more than the fairing.
I kind of like it. I brought one of the first numbered classic in 14' and also a Roadmaster 18'. Went from Harley to Victory, and then to Indian in that cruising segment. I not married to any brand, so I also have a special build Yamaha caferacer for fun, and a Suzuki Gsxr for more action...
Like what Indian doing. Maybe we will see a racing bike from Polaris also. Hope so :) Drive safely everyone :)
I remember, my marketing teacher in University, telling us ''If you have
to explain a lot about your ad you miss the point'' Right now your explaining a
lot. Indian is a brand, not a cloning facility. Since 1999 when Indian started back, Indian was a minor nuisance to
Harley. But for 2014 Indian is back in full force. Harley was lost a lot of
customer. Now you did not see Harley trying to clone Indian or any other manufacturer
for that matter. Harley in there long history as always keeps there look and
heritage.Now a history Lesson, the saddle bag on a Harley came from a aftermarket
company that Harley bought in the early 60's. The batwing fairing was also design
by an aftermarket enterprise. If Indian that keep their saddle bag, I would have buy in your story.
Because a lot of people where not to impress by the original Indian fairing.
Any Harley customer, won’t go to buy a Harley look alike even if there Indian stamp
on it. Mather of fact, a lot of Harley buyer doesn’t even know what is an
Indian.
Good move, I like Street Glide look
Destroy themselves 🤣 , you’re not even close mang, Indian Motorcycle is a Class by it self , in fact I’m saving up for the Black Horse 😁👍🏽
Dude you had me laughing my ass off good info good video.. Im sure others Echo your sentiment
Everybody is trying to get on the Harley train. It's not just a bike your buying into a brotherhood
Any brotherhood that can be "bought into" is a joke from the get go!
I know of hardcore Harley guys riding it and loving it. Even thinking about trading their harley for it.
I like the front end a lot better but I prefer the old saddle bags that matched the fender contour.
That is a lovely looking bike 😎
I see they found a use for the Victory engine. Did they order the bags from Harley..
Retire Soon Where do you see a Victory engine? That's an Indian Thunderstroke 111.
LOL! Great video!
Polaris finally made a decent looking bike... and it looks like a street glide!
They messed up calling them Indians when they're made by Polaris! They should have kept Victory and let Indian go!
Harley hit a home run when they turned the geezer glide into a sporty tourer. Indian has to make their own stand out model instead of a street glide with an indian on the tank. The big fenders and war bonnet and they could make some other stand out features like wheels and such. If Indian only had the dealership network that Harley has. I was very curious about Indian when I was looking for a touring/everyday rider, but in my area you usually find 6 or 8 Indians sitting around in the back of a shop that sells Hondas, Kawasakis, and Can Ams with a salesman that would rather flirt with the girls in the service and parts departments than help customers. I went to a Harley dealer to look and the knowledgeable, helpful sales staff put me on an electra glide standard. Indian needs independent dealerships with knowledgeable professional courtois salespeople. I guess that's why you see 1 Indian for every 100 Harleys at local bike events. This makes Indian riders 1% ers lol.