There’s only 1 episode where grievous actually treated his troops decently and that was when he had to exterminate the night sisters. He listened to the droids reports, and even joined the battle with them.
@@BRAdriel10 Droids won a few times. Though the point of the droids was to never win, Palpatine couldn’t take a chance not being in control of the Sepratists. They were only meant to break down each side while fighting the clones
@@liampender2359 I mean he always is, not even counting legends books, he actively hunts and pursues Jedi, even going out of his way and risk losing battles to take on a Jedi
@@Zombotron5678 True but it was genocide against a people who he had no hate for as such plus the Jedi are a mix of species so it is genocide in belief but not in the most common way of wiping out a race.
There was also the time, where a psycopathic Jedi destroyed 17 helpless Battle Droids without suffering a scratch… even worse, those droids were retired and even friendly… a dark day, for sure…😢
I used to think Yoda is a goblin, but that sure was a funny roast to accurately describe his agility and prowess, even if pouring water on him won't make more clones of himself, which would outclass clone troopers and turn the tide of the Clone Wars instantly.
Fun Fact:Did you know that the Hyperdriver range of a Venator-class Star Destroyer is 60,000 Light Years, a venator can cross half the Star Wars galaxy without fueling
@@michaelandreipalon359 unfortunately, I also wanted to know, we have information about Hyperdriver range only from prequel ships like the ARC-170 or Acclamator-class.
I wish there were more stories of rogue clones and reprogrammed battle droids helping the rebellion. It’s like they get a chance at taking revenge against the empire.
Totally agree. But I also like that they are all rotting away, forgotten, so much like real life veterans. Clones begging for money. Droids holding on to whatever purpose they may have now.
The worst crime is that of their programmers. They were given a Comedic Relief personality likely meant for Protocol Droids. The massive tragedy of the B-1 series came from not being programmed properly for their mission. Their programmers could have given them a colder personality like they apparently gave the Droidekkas or a flippant one like the type Astromech seemed to like. But they were so focused on blind obedience that they went with the somewhat easily intimidated, stupidly docile, way too obedient, Protocol personality. Give them a true Soldier's Personality, and the tragedy is lessened or even eliminated. I would have given them something along the lines of a Jack Churchill style personality, that way they could have laughed with the audience. BUT NOOOO. The Separatists had to go with a "We were made to suffer" Cybot Galactica style personality more fitting for a Protocol Droid than a Battle Droid. Seeing C-3PO's head interface so easily with a B-1 body made me facepalm because it tells you that they went with a VerboBrain; undoubtedly an out dated AA-n model like the 3PO line. Either way, their tragedy comes more from their creators than from their enemies. Just as you can train and instill courage, strength, and resolve in an organic, so too should one program a sentient, sapient Droid for their duties. The B-1 was given no such consideration.
Wasn't the B1s 'dopey' personality because after the battle of Naboo, they were updated to no longer require the central control ship with firmware that their hardware wasn't really designed for? It's actually a neat theory that maybe the only system the B1s could support without significant time investment developing something new was a modified protocol droid OS, although why Baktoid would have such software lying around (given that they only ever made combat droids) maybe diminishes the validity of that theory
@@JustTheJames Not really. Remember, Anakin was a slave boy with no resources besides the scrap that Watto let him play with and/or have. But he was able to get an AA-1 VerboBrain for C-3PO. I don't think Watto would have let Anakin have, let alone keep it if it had any value. The Separatists probably got a bunch of them for next to nothing, slapped them in the existing B-1s and called it a day. A few months of programming battle strategy and tactics, patching compatibility issues. And you have a "battle" droid... One that would make excellent Mall Cops, but, soldiers? Not so much. They're not even well suited for military ship security, much less frontline warfare.
They could have given them the personality of Sir Adrian "Frankly, I Enjoyed the War" Carton de Wiart, like imagine how effective the B1 would have been with better hardware and a personality like THAT.
I think the cannon explanation is that there was a fine line between making them smart enough to fight and so smart that they'd be like fuck this fight.
6:16-6:18 Let's keep in mind that same unstable Jedi also cut down 17 friendly battle droids that were not even attempting to fight back. Meanwhile, his master just watches instead of trying to hold him back. All Obi-Wan said was wait. There was no grabbing him, yelling at him that they are not violent, or pulling him with the force.
In the phantom menace, B1’s were efficient war machines, but once their central command of the lukrehulk was shut down, they went down, and so, the sepretists gave them their own ideas, with them being (mostly) independent thinkers. Good news: no central computer. Problem was, now they had emotion, scared shitless when they saw their incoming minds, of course, CIS engineers had no idea how to fix this, so they rolled with it to keep cheap.
I always felt terrible for all of the battle droids that were killed during the Clone Wars. From Malastare to Onderon, they were all mercilessly slaughtered by Clone Troopers, Jedi, and Rebel scum when they were just following orders. After all, that’s what good droids do 😢
Yeah, even a clone trooper fan like me can see that the only other characters in all of Star Wars they can find a reflection of themselves in would be the battle droids. Both were made for war, both were eager to fight, both still maintained their duty and loyalty to their faction after being exposed to war, both were part of the first two large militaries in the galaxy, and both get tossed aside. Clone Troopers die out without their home while battle droids are deactivated, with most of the lucky few staying active being programmed to serve groups like the Warbird Gang years after the Galactic Civil War. Not to mention both would be demonized by the Galactic Empire and the New Republic. Hell, the only difference is the clones had leaders who encouraged them to be individuals. It’s kind of why I get a little annoyed when in Canon as well as fans of the CIS say that the faction was at least more moral in terms of its troops, sending programmed battle droids instead of forcing organics to fight. Dooku himself even uses that to rally Separatists to the cause. This basically runs into two issues. Either A: the statement is true and the army is made up of mindless machines that will do any horrible thing without a second thought. Or B: the Battle Droids are basically just like the clones, making them a slave army. In fact, the CIS would be guilty of having an even larger hand in slavery if you interpreted that way since they made millions to billions of droids. Sure, just like the clones the droids didn’t take much issue with their lives and found some things to like about their jobs, but it kind of crushes the idea of a robot army being more humane than an organic army. And it highlights how even though I see the Galactic Republic as more moral, it barely wins out over the CIS. The Jedi are the only thing that shows any light of goodness in this grey conflict. And they themselves were becoming more grey overtime. Barely more moral and heroic compared to their enemy. That certainly says something about the Clone Wars and Palpatine’s machinations. It’s like the war between the Autobots and Decepticons in the IDW series. Until the last few years of the war on Earth, the Autobots weren’t that much better than the Decepticons, even under the command of Optimus Prime.
I'll also add that he cruelty shown to the soldiers of both sides by the enemies is just a tantemont symptom of just how evil Sidious was, all of these deaths were all a result of Sidious's dark corruption and starting the conflict. A video on the many crimes of Darth Sidious and a comparison between him and Valkorian whom Sidious obviously tries to emulate in every way would be nice to see
@@Kaltar_ I mean, not necesserily. B1 asked the others : "Do we take captives?" Instead of instantly killing Heavy, same goes with the Anakin on the bridge. At first they let him negociate but then tactical was like : "Since when would Anakin not lie to us on the battle front?" And summed this up. Not to mention Gungans on Naboo, which weren't killed as well. And also Obi-wan at this crystal planet (forgot its name).
@@jeffreycarman2185 well, not really, the droids were programmed to die, especially the B2 battle droids and the Bx droids who did not give af. B1s in large invasion armies also fought till death though
At least near the end of the war the heroes got better at treating B1s. Mace offered the Droids a chance to surrender at the Battle of Anaxes and we saw those Clones taking Droid prisoners in that opening montage in the first episode of The Bad Batch when it was doing a Clone Wars introduction.
The battle droid commander was the last one to drop his weapon too, which means the other regular droids can just make decisions on the spot without orders from above. The droids became more independent and sentient, and the clones and Jedi seemed to respect that.
Tbh though the way it was presented in that opening scene was risky af and to me implied those particular clones had the morality of saints. Would YOU take the chance that a group of armed robots made to fight wars would surrender to you by walking up to them and poking one of them with your gun? And again remember, droids are considered walking furniture, so yeah that brief scene is very odd when you sit down to analyze it and those troopers must have been truly exceptional paragons of goodness.
@@michaelandreipalon359 Odd yes. But nice. I actually took inspiration in that scene to have the Clones take B1 prisoners in this Battle of New Pylmpto fanfic I was writing a while back. Haven't finished it yet, because I got distracted by other projects, a lot of Owl House ones, but I hope to one day get back to it and start uploading the chapters at some point.
@@libertinarey Those particular Clones were definitely well disciplined and respectable soldiers the Republic should be proud of. They weren’t trigger happy buffoons who just want to destroy things. If anything, they would take the risk to prevent unnecessary destruction. Credit to the droids as well for deciding to preserve themselves over fighting.
@@Jeremiah_Rivers76 The ROTS novelization version is even more hardcore: Gunray: "The war is over--Lord Sidious promised--he promised we would be left in peace…" Vader: "His transmission was garbled. He promised you would be left in pieces."
Just a little nitpick here - I'm pretty sure that the droid who said "oh my god" while he was chopped in half (sort of - more like in 3/4 and 1/4) did so as a figure of speech, like how people throughout the real world say "oh my god" regardless of their faith. I, for one, know this, as I am an atheist/humanist, and I use "oh my god" as an exclamation sometimes.
I find it funny that you brought up HK before the end and one of his best lines in KOTOR 2; its also ironic that many years later after the Clone Wars were over HK-47 attempted to do the exact thing you mentioned and built his own army of droids from the CIS's left behind creations. The fate of the Battle Droids and of the various models is very sad, those that survived the conflict were shut down and turned to scrap by the Empire with the only way to avoid that fate was to have been stationed on some remote world where the commanders realized the shut-down order was a trick like Kalani or to have been abandoned on a world like Iego and taken into the possession of a caring youth such as Jabo Hood. Its one of the sadder parts of the Clone Wars. I'd like to see a video about Iego and about HK's Droid army in the future.
Having the antagonists be droids definitely help with the show’s ratings. It’s fine to completely blow up your opponents this way, and this wasn’t obvious until I started watching Rebels
B1 feel so many emotions because prior to their use in the Trade Federation army, they were designed as affordable companion droids who would take care of and accompany those who need them. So their basic program allows for a wide range of emotions.
3:33 I'm pretty sure this one didn't die. Grievous only attacked him with his bare hand, not even punching him, he just slapped him to the side, which led to him falling over. the sound indicates that he might have hit him pretty hard, but nothing got crushed or injured.
It makes him a monster at any point. Grievous is the personification of terror and evil, he is pure evil and what good that he had in him died on Kalee with the Huks and a Republic murdering his people.
@@JediLordNathan No, when the Republic intervened there was only hatred and suffering, unfortunately what was left of good inside Qymaen Jai Sheelal died together with Ronderu lij Kummar in that fateful battle on that beach, from that moment the only thing left was... Grievous.
I still feel one of the most horrifying deaths was in clone wars season 7 when wrecker from the bad batch used his bare hands to punch through a hallway of droids, leaving a sole survivor shivering and begging for him not to smack his face. Obviously didn't work, and he got his face smashed.
The Jedi compassion don't count when it comes to droids like so many inorganic... Just ask the Shard species from legends... Also I believe that Geetsly's is being run by IG-88A sended far into the future and after the Death Star blow up.
Roger, roger. Let's not forget that the "He's the commander!" B1 was clearly painted in easily identifiable B1 commander colors so the clone shooting the other droid who obviously wasn't the commander at his blatantly obviously lie of desperation was purely an act of sadism. You know if Earth was in Star Wars and our soldiers were fighting alongside the Republic forces during the Clone Wars there's a damn good chance that they'd be offering these clearly self-aware beings the chance to surrender peacefully...
The battle droids on the Malevolence had to die so Obi-Wan and Anikan could maintain the element of surprise. If this would have been a real world situation then the soldier would most likely have died.
I can’t help but draw connections between Rick’s cruelty in building that sentient robot who’s sole purpose in life is to pass the butter (in Rick and Morty) and the programming of the B-1 battle droids.
Well in the Jedis defense they often aren't given much choice when coming face to face with powerful space sorcerers with plasmatanas often backed by elite combat Clones. Imagine most Droids aren't trusted an shown Mercy BECAUSE they're not only sentient BUT sentient AND the enemy. An the Clones an Jedi aren't underestimating them would be my guess. Who'd thought a droid COULD drop from exhaustion and literally, somehow, apparently, drop dead from that.. you'd think the CIS would know better then to leave THAT in their programing
I believe the battle droid god is named "Roger". They chant "Roger-Roger" when they receive their orders to call upon their Lords blessing before they march into battle. They behave more like members of a cult than soldiers in a professional army.
I always saw droids as equals, and if droids like those in Star Wars are ever real when I'm still alive I'd treat them like another human. Roger roger!
another example of B1 battledroids being nice is in ROTS when Grievous captures Anakin and Obi-Wan a droid says "excuse me" to Obi-Wan while passing by him; clones are just as awesome as droids. DROID LIVES MATTER!!!
Revan would be rampsging through Both Sides for their War Crimes were he around to do so, but Especially for killing Droids who were so Painfully Helpless in the face of it. Anslin would be a Mess after Revan was done with him, as Revan was, according to the Lore, one of the Previous "Chosen Ones." Yes, that is a thing, if a Particularly Obscure one. Sllowing Droids to Surrender would have been a Policy of his, even as a Sith, and he would have upgraded them to be Something Else on his team, even if just for Maintenance. Nobody else ever gave Droids such a Chance.
Los droides hablan y hacen cosas chistosas para que sea humor en Star Wars pero si te pones a pensar, si, los droides actuaban mas como seres vivos que los clones, 10/10, excelente video
What about when on iego, when Anakin Slaughtered 17 droids. Obiwan calmly looks on and said he didn’t suffer a scratch. Anakin only needs to correct that no, it wasn’t 17 droids… it was 18 actually. That was brutal. These droids were basically unarmed, friendly, veterans.
RODGER, RODGER. only the B1 was my favorite droid design next to the Commando Droids with how much crap that take and the same amount of sass they give
Don't forget that post-Clone Wars, all Battle Droid factories and units were ordered to be shut down, essentially their own equivalent of Order 66. Not only that, but the empire also begins hunting down all remaining operating units were hunted down by the Empire that followed, again, like Order 66.
They have to be one of if not the most mistreated droids/units/characters in Star Wars. Seen as nothing but expendable to the ones they fight for, and being awfully slaughtered by the good guys without hesitation, just because they aren’t true living beings.
One thing to note, that though droids could feel fear, that also should mean they could feel remorse. But they don't. It's not that they were incapable to feel remorse, but they were programmed with a sadistic nature. They were designed to be killing machines, and killing anything, even unarmed civilians or people who surrendered, were shown to bring them joy. They almost never refused or hesitated to execute any immoral order given to them
I think that out of the factory the droids where not sentient and just machines but they where programmed to learn and evolve overtime and with learning battle strategy they’d learn more and more complex emotions and feeling
Oh this is good, However I would argue that in at least some of these cases they could be argued as fighting combatants and would NOT be considered killing innocent lives. Such as the battle droids who were guarding Ahsoka and Cad Bane, they were both armed AND were aiding in Torturing a prisoner. So they weren't innocent. But some of these cases they were just cruel.(Then against Blaster wounds would likely also count as a war crime, so there is that, making both sides instant war criminals)
That's the reason why I never felt that bad for the clones when they were later treated like droids. They've done the same cruelty to others countless times before, it's now their turn.
i remember one of the first episodes of the clone war where duku is anoyed with grevious treatment to the droids (just killed one of them in a simular way)
Plus unarmed droids can be just as much as a threat just like ones that are armed they can send distress signals no matter if they have some slight sentience they are still programmed to kill at all costs
You bring up 224, but in the next episode it's the opposite. Those battle droids cutting that escape pod open and saying "And they're off!" While the clones die. Little sadists...
knew OM-5 would be on the list. and yeah, Starwars had long had a tonal problem when it comes to droids. they are by and large shown to be sentient beings but are treated like property. then the one droid that tired to push back against it was framed as a joke.
If Battle Droids do not deserve to have rights, the clones do not deserved to have rights either. After all, they shot these poor droids to dead even after they surrendered. Only when the clones finally learned that these droids are the same as them, that's when the clones deserved those rights.
There’s only 1 episode where grievous actually treated his troops decently and that was when he had to exterminate the night sisters. He listened to the droids reports, and even joined the battle with them.
Only arc when droids win, love that one.
@@BRAdriel10
Droids won a few times. Though the point of the droids was to never win, Palpatine couldn’t take a chance not being in control of the Sepratists.
They were only meant to break down each side while fighting the clones
So the only time Grievous is kind to his troops is when he is committing genocide.
@@liampender2359 I mean he always is, not even counting legends books, he actively hunts and pursues Jedi, even going out of his way and risk losing battles to take on a Jedi
@@Zombotron5678 True but it was genocide against a people who he had no hate for as such plus the Jedi are a mix of species so it is genocide in belief but not in the most common way of wiping out a race.
There was also the time, where a psycopathic Jedi destroyed 17 helpless Battle Droids without suffering a scratch… even worse, those droids were retired and even friendly… a dark day, for sure…😢
He even took pride in it.
18, actually
I bet it was practice for the Younglings....🥺
They shouldn't put some personality chip on those droids.
A foreshadow of what Anakin would become in the future.
"Ketamine addicted Gremlin with a laser sword" DAMN! That roast was brutal. 🤣
Yoda: Addicted? Addicted, say you? Hmph when 900 years YOU reach, rely on Ketamine you will too!
They had me at "gremlin."
*Hmmmmm! Another hit, I must take!*
*MMMMMMMMM!!! High as shit, I am!*
I used to think Yoda is a goblin, but that sure was a funny roast to accurately describe his agility and prowess, even if pouring water on him won't make more clones of himself, which would outclass clone troopers and turn the tide of the Clone Wars instantly.
Roger Roger
Fun Fact:Did you know that the Hyperdriver range of a Venator-class Star Destroyer is 60,000 Light Years, a venator can cross half the Star Wars galaxy without fueling
Cool.
neat
If that's how it goes, what about its successor the Imperator/Imperial?
@@michaelandreipalon359 unfortunately, I also wanted to know, we have information about Hyperdriver range only from prequel ships like the ARC-170 or Acclamator-class.
@@Obiwan7100did you get this info from the skywalker collection?
I wish there were more stories of rogue clones and reprogrammed battle droids helping the rebellion. It’s like they get a chance at taking revenge against the empire.
Kalani would’ve been a valuable asset to the Rebellion
Totally agree. But I also like that they are all rotting away, forgotten, so much like real life veterans. Clones begging for money. Droids holding on to whatever purpose they may have now.
There will be in Disney Canon, that I'm sure. If only Legends did them more...
Me too bro
actually, commander rex and a few other clone commandos went rouge in star wars rebels
The worst crime is that of their programmers. They were given a Comedic Relief personality likely meant for Protocol Droids. The massive tragedy of the B-1 series came from not being programmed properly for their mission.
Their programmers could have given them a colder personality like they apparently gave the Droidekkas or a flippant one like the type Astromech seemed to like. But they were so focused on blind obedience that they went with the somewhat easily intimidated, stupidly docile, way too obedient, Protocol personality.
Give them a true Soldier's Personality, and the tragedy is lessened or even eliminated. I would have given them something along the lines of a Jack Churchill style personality, that way they could have laughed with the audience. BUT NOOOO. The Separatists had to go with a "We were made to suffer" Cybot Galactica style personality more fitting for a Protocol Droid than a Battle Droid. Seeing C-3PO's head interface so easily with a B-1 body made me facepalm because it tells you that they went with a VerboBrain; undoubtedly an out dated AA-n model like the 3PO line.
Either way, their tragedy comes more from their creators than from their enemies. Just as you can train and instill courage, strength, and resolve in an organic, so too should one program a sentient, sapient Droid for their duties. The B-1 was given no such consideration.
Wasn't the B1s 'dopey' personality because after the battle of Naboo, they were updated to no longer require the central control ship with firmware that their hardware wasn't really designed for? It's actually a neat theory that maybe the only system the B1s could support without significant time investment developing something new was a modified protocol droid OS, although why Baktoid would have such software lying around (given that they only ever made combat droids) maybe diminishes the validity of that theory
@@JustTheJames Not really. Remember, Anakin was a slave boy with no resources besides the scrap that Watto let him play with and/or have. But he was able to get an AA-1 VerboBrain for C-3PO. I don't think Watto would have let Anakin have, let alone keep it if it had any value.
The Separatists probably got a bunch of them for next to nothing, slapped them in the existing B-1s and called it a day. A few months of programming battle strategy and tactics, patching compatibility issues. And you have a "battle" droid... One that would make excellent Mall Cops, but, soldiers? Not so much. They're not even well suited for military ship security, much less frontline warfare.
They could have given them the personality of Sir Adrian "Frankly, I Enjoyed the War" Carton de Wiart, like imagine how effective the B1 would have been with better hardware and a personality like THAT.
I think the cannon explanation is that there was a fine line between making them smart enough to fight and so smart that they'd be like fuck this fight.
B1, “Yep. This is the worst job in the Droid Army.”
_Curiously, the only thing that went through the B1 Battle Droid’s mind was, ‘Oh no, not again…’._
Indeed
@That's captain, sir. Roger. Roger. 😢
@@goingblargh "Again" implies some of them were destroyed and reassembled.
I will say though at least he survived. Maybe
B1 battle droid commander: "what a terrible shot."
B1 gunner: "ah well it's my programming."
Here me out on this the reason he say it was programming is because they were meant to loses.
@@keller-pe8rd you might say that.
Shiiiiit I don’t blame you, clancka!
@@TheTeutonicPlague neither do i
A likely story XD
Though he's not wrong, they weren't made to be perfect
6:16-6:18 Let's keep in mind that same unstable Jedi also cut down 17 friendly battle droids that were not even attempting to fight back. Meanwhile, his master just watches instead of trying to hold him back. All Obi-Wan said was wait. There was no grabbing him, yelling at him that they are not violent, or pulling him with the force.
Which episode was that?
@@SimpyOnThat I don't remember the title, but it was when Obi-Wan and Anakin went to Iago to get a cure for the blue shadow virus.
It was "The mystery of the thousand moons". That's after the blue shadow virus, and before liberating ryloth from wat tambor.
[another droid collapses] Oops, that makes 18!
In the phantom menace, B1’s were efficient war machines, but once their central command of the lukrehulk was shut down, they went down, and so, the sepretists gave them their own ideas, with them being (mostly) independent thinkers. Good news: no central computer. Problem was, now they had emotion, scared shitless when they saw their incoming minds, of course, CIS engineers had no idea how to fix this, so they rolled with it to keep cheap.
b1 droid: i wanna surrender
jedi: best i can do is execution
Pretty much yeah
I always felt terrible for all of the battle droids that were killed during the Clone Wars. From Malastare to Onderon, they were all mercilessly slaughtered by Clone Troopers, Jedi, and Rebel scum when they were just following orders. After all, that’s what good droids do 😢
Good droids follow orders.
Roger roger
I've been hoping for years that one day, we'd get to see them expand on the Droid Army a bit especially since they expanded on the Clone Wars
"A ketamine addicted gremlin with a laser sword" 🤣😂🤣😂
That's an awesome and hilarious description of Yoda
Yeah, even a clone trooper fan like me can see that the only other characters in all of Star Wars they can find a reflection of themselves in would be the battle droids. Both were made for war, both were eager to fight, both still maintained their duty and loyalty to their faction after being exposed to war, both were part of the first two large militaries in the galaxy, and both get tossed aside. Clone Troopers die out without their home while battle droids are deactivated, with most of the lucky few staying active being programmed to serve groups like the Warbird Gang years after the Galactic Civil War. Not to mention both would be demonized by the Galactic Empire and the New Republic. Hell, the only difference is the clones had leaders who encouraged them to be individuals.
It’s kind of why I get a little annoyed when in Canon as well as fans of the CIS say that the faction was at least more moral in terms of its troops, sending programmed battle droids instead of forcing organics to fight. Dooku himself even uses that to rally Separatists to the cause. This basically runs into two issues. Either A: the statement is true and the army is made up of mindless machines that will do any horrible thing without a second thought. Or B: the Battle Droids are basically just like the clones, making them a slave army. In fact, the CIS would be guilty of having an even larger hand in slavery if you interpreted that way since they made millions to billions of droids. Sure, just like the clones the droids didn’t take much issue with their lives and found some things to like about their jobs, but it kind of crushes the idea of a robot army being more humane than an organic army. And it highlights how even though I see the Galactic Republic as more moral, it barely wins out over the CIS. The Jedi are the only thing that shows any light of goodness in this grey conflict. And they themselves were becoming more grey overtime. Barely more moral and heroic compared to their enemy. That certainly says something about the Clone Wars and Palpatine’s machinations. It’s like the war between the Autobots and Decepticons in the IDW series. Until the last few years of the war on Earth, the Autobots weren’t that much better than the Decepticons, even under the command of Optimus Prime.
Well I think the CIS committed much worse mass atrocities than the Republic and much more frequently, but I get your point.
The story arc with Gregor does a good job at making people aware of droids have feelings too. Roger roger
I feel like all seven scenes are classic examples of what can happen in a war regardless of who is in command
I'll also add that he cruelty shown to the soldiers of both sides by the enemies is just a tantemont symptom of just how evil Sidious was, all of these deaths were all a result of Sidious's dark corruption and starting the conflict. A video on the many crimes of Darth Sidious and a comparison between him and Valkorian whom Sidious obviously tries to emulate in every way would be nice to see
Those poor battle droids they deserve better
I mean tbf if they had the upperhand they would've shot at the jedi and clones so in the end letting them "live" is asking for a shot in the back
@@Kaltar_ I mean, not necesserily. B1 asked the others : "Do we take captives?" Instead of instantly killing Heavy, same goes with the Anakin on the bridge. At first they let him negociate but then tactical was like : "Since when would Anakin not lie to us on the battle front?" And summed this up. Not to mention Gungans on Naboo, which weren't killed as well. And also Obi-wan at this crystal planet (forgot its name).
I honestly feel bad for the droids and the clones. They were both used to fight in a war that they didn’t ask for
Ironically the clones tended to have less fear of death than the droids.
@@jeffreycarman2185 well, not really, the droids were programmed to die, especially the B2 battle droids and the Bx droids who did not give af. B1s in large invasion armies also fought till death though
At least near the end of the war the heroes got better at treating B1s. Mace offered the Droids a chance to surrender at the Battle of Anaxes and we saw those Clones taking Droid prisoners in that opening montage in the first episode of The Bad Batch when it was doing a Clone Wars introduction.
The battle droid commander was the last one to drop his weapon too, which means the other regular droids can just make decisions on the spot without orders from above. The droids became more independent and sentient, and the clones and Jedi seemed to respect that.
Tbh though the way it was presented in that opening scene was risky af and to me implied those particular clones had the morality of saints.
Would YOU take the chance that a group of armed robots made to fight wars would surrender to you by walking up to them and poking one of them with your gun?
And again remember, droids are considered walking furniture, so yeah that brief scene is very odd when you sit down to analyze it and those troopers must have been truly exceptional paragons of goodness.
Still odd, seeing droid prisoners.
@@michaelandreipalon359 Odd yes. But nice.
I actually took inspiration in that scene to have the Clones take B1 prisoners in this Battle of New Pylmpto fanfic I was writing a while back. Haven't finished it yet, because I got distracted by other projects, a lot of Owl House ones, but I hope to one day get back to it and start uploading the chapters at some point.
@@libertinarey Those particular Clones were definitely well disciplined and respectable soldiers the Republic should be proud of. They weren’t trigger happy buffoons who just want to destroy things. If anything, they would take the risk to prevent unnecessary destruction. Credit to the droids as well for deciding to preserve themselves over fighting.
"can you imagine this sort of scene being played for laughs if it were an organic commander?" yes, having said that i'm a sith so... yeah.
Nute Gunray’s death comes to mind.
@@transformersfan8923 To be fair, Nute Gunray had it coming.
@@condedooku9750 Gunray: The war is over! Lord Sidious promised us peace! We only want-- [screams as Vader kills the Viceroy of the Trade Federation]
@@Jeremiah_Rivers76 The ROTS novelization version is even more hardcore:
Gunray: "The war is over--Lord Sidious promised--he promised we would be left in peace…"
Vader: "His transmission was garbled. He promised you would be left in pieces."
Just a little nitpick here - I'm pretty sure that the droid who said "oh my god" while he was chopped in half (sort of - more like in 3/4 and 1/4) did so as a figure of speech, like how people throughout the real world say "oh my god" regardless of their faith. I, for one, know this, as I am an atheist/humanist, and I use "oh my god" as an exclamation sometimes.
Agreed but the fact he said it has interesting implications...
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THEY ARE SOLD FOR MEAAAAAT
Another idea: Why Ketamine is the secret to Yoda power
@@fallentitan9811 they were given a large discount in exchange for meat. How hard is that for 90% of Star Wars fans to understand?
I find it funny that you brought up HK before the end and one of his best lines in KOTOR 2; its also ironic that many years later after the Clone Wars were over HK-47 attempted to do the exact thing you mentioned and built his own army of droids from the CIS's left behind creations. The fate of the Battle Droids and of the various models is very sad, those that survived the conflict were shut down and turned to scrap by the Empire with the only way to avoid that fate was to have been stationed on some remote world where the commanders realized the shut-down order was a trick like Kalani or to have been abandoned on a world like Iego and taken into the possession of a caring youth such as Jabo Hood. Its one of the sadder parts of the Clone Wars. I'd like to see a video about Iego and about HK's Droid army in the future.
"It won't matter." Realist shit ever to come out of a battle droids mouth.
B1 battle droids: *exists*
Every Jedi in the same system: absolutely not
Having the antagonists be droids definitely help with the show’s ratings. It’s fine to completely blow up your opponents this way, and this wasn’t obvious until I started watching Rebels
B1 feel so many emotions because prior to their use in the Trade Federation army, they were designed as affordable companion droids who would take care of and accompany those who need them. So their basic program allows for a wide range of emotions.
Nobody won the clone wars. Especially these brave droid troopers.
Palpatine won
I always felt worse for the droids when they died, even more so than the clones.
Being assigned under General Grievous is a fate worse than death for any B1 Battle Droid.
I’ve always felt really bad for the battle droids. I really wish we got more stories focusing on them. They really deserve more love.
3:33 I'm pretty sure this one didn't die. Grievous only attacked him with his bare hand, not even punching him, he just slapped him to the side, which led to him falling over. the sound indicates that he might have hit him pretty hard, but nothing got crushed or injured.
1:03 "A Jedi uses the Force for knowledge and defense, NEVER attack."
"Don't leave me" hit soo hard
If Geetsly was in Star Wars, he would’ve been an supporter of droid rights.
3P0: Thank the Maker = thank god.
Also the fact that these droids were sentient, etc, would be a great way to destroy the Jedi mindset.
Roger Roger!
Also when I first saw that last scene in the clone wars, of the Droid dying alone in the sand, I was genuinely sad.
Yeah, these deaths are horrific.
In any other story, Grievous' habit of murdering his subordinates would make him a monster among monsters.
It makes him a monster at any point. Grievous is the personification of terror and evil, he is pure evil and what good that he had in him died on Kalee with the Huks and a Republic murdering his people.
Grevious and ventress both murdered their own troops
@@JediLordNathan No, when the Republic intervened there was only hatred and suffering, unfortunately what was left of good inside Qymaen Jai Sheelal died together with Ronderu lij Kummar in that fateful battle on that beach, from that moment the only thing left was... Grievous.
Ketamine Lord Yoda make all of the droid war crimes look like child play
I still feel one of the most horrifying deaths was in clone wars season 7 when wrecker from the bad batch used his bare hands to punch through a hallway of droids, leaving a sole survivor shivering and begging for him not to smack his face.
Obviously didn't work, and he got his face smashed.
In truth the Battle Droids were made to be expendable and by human nature we are sympathetic to lost clauses.
"Droid lives matter" 🤣🤣🤣 to all of my droid brothers and sisters
7:39 “this applies that not only are droids religious” 😂 and roger roger
The Jedi compassion don't count when it comes to droids like so many inorganic... Just ask the Shard species from legends...
Also I believe that Geetsly's is being run by IG-88A sended far into the future and after the Death Star blow up.
Roger, roger.
Let's not forget that the "He's the commander!" B1 was clearly painted in easily identifiable B1 commander colors so the clone shooting the other droid who obviously wasn't the commander at his blatantly obviously lie of desperation was purely an act of sadism.
You know if Earth was in Star Wars and our soldiers were fighting alongside the Republic forces during the Clone Wars there's a damn good chance that they'd be offering these clearly self-aware beings the chance to surrender peacefully...
The battle droids on the Malevolence had to die so Obi-Wan and Anikan could maintain the element of surprise. If this would have been a real world situation then the soldier would most likely have died.
Out of all the war crimes the Republic committed, Anakin was responsible for half of them.
I can’t help but draw connections between Rick’s cruelty in building that sentient robot who’s sole purpose in life is to pass the butter (in Rick and Morty) and the programming of the B-1 battle droids.
I lost it at "ketamine addicted Gremlin with a laser sword" 🤣🤣🤣
Well in the Jedis defense they often aren't given much choice when coming face to face with powerful space sorcerers with plasmatanas often backed by elite combat Clones. Imagine most Droids aren't trusted an shown Mercy BECAUSE they're not only sentient BUT sentient AND the enemy. An the Clones an Jedi aren't underestimating them would be my guess.
Who'd thought a droid COULD drop from exhaustion and literally, somehow, apparently, drop dead from that.. you'd think the CIS would know better then to leave THAT in their programing
I believe the battle droid god is named "Roger". They chant "Roger-Roger" when they receive their orders to call upon their Lords blessing before they march into battle. They behave more like members of a cult than soldiers in a professional army.
Nice joke
I always saw droids as equals, and if droids like those in Star Wars are ever real when I'm still alive I'd treat them like another human. Roger roger!
bro started cooking and actually made something
another example of B1 battledroids being nice is in ROTS when Grievous captures Anakin and Obi-Wan a droid says "excuse me" to Obi-Wan while passing by him; clones are just as awesome as droids. DROID LIVES MATTER!!!
Revan would be rampsging through Both Sides for their War Crimes were he around to do so, but Especially for killing Droids who were so Painfully Helpless in the face of it. Anslin would be a Mess after Revan was done with him, as Revan was, according to the Lore, one of the Previous "Chosen Ones." Yes, that is a thing, if a Particularly Obscure one. Sllowing Droids to Surrender would have been a Policy of his, even as a Sith, and he would have upgraded them to be Something Else on his team, even if just for Maintenance. Nobody else ever gave Droids such a Chance.
The dying screams of the droid that tries to call Cad Bane was just too funny to hold the laughter once you said it.
Like for the Clone Supremacy... Clones over Storm troopers
Los droides hablan y hacen cosas chistosas para que sea humor en Star Wars pero si te pones a pensar, si, los droides actuaban mas como seres vivos que los clones,
10/10, excelente video
What about when on iego, when Anakin Slaughtered 17 droids. Obiwan calmly looks on and said he didn’t suffer a scratch. Anakin only needs to correct that no, it wasn’t 17 droids… it was 18 actually. That was brutal. These droids were basically unarmed, friendly, veterans.
It's almost like the clone wars was an extremely brutal and awful war so terrible it drove the people of the galaxy into the arms of the empire.
It’s even worse once you realize these poor droids will just be reassembled and sent back out to die all over again
"Anakin Skywalker was having a bad day, so they lost their right to live." That actually sums up the fate of a lot of people.
I'm rewatching the clone wars with my mom, who's watching it for the first time, and I can't help but feel bad for the battle droids
I’ve always felt this way… as everyone who watched “The Black Hole” as a kid. RIP Old BO.B. LF-28 😢
Ah, got wind of the film again recently because of a Spacedock vid.
Heard it's good, even with a strangely low IMDb score.
RODGER, RODGER. only the B1 was my favorite droid design next to the Commando Droids with how much crap that take and the same amount of sass they give
Don't forget that post-Clone Wars, all Battle Droid factories and units were ordered to be shut down, essentially their own equivalent of Order 66.
Not only that, but the empire also begins hunting down all remaining operating units were hunted down by the Empire that followed, again, like Order 66.
They could've easily done a Red vs Blue styled show with the droids.
That droid left in a cage on ryloth should have gotten an honorable mention
They have to be one of if not the most mistreated droids/units/characters in Star Wars.
Seen as nothing but expendable to the ones they fight for, and being awfully slaughtered by the good guys without hesitation, just because they aren’t true living beings.
I’m not the commander, he’s the commander!
Guess I’m the commander now
One thing to note, that though droids could feel fear, that also should mean they could feel remorse. But they don't. It's not that they were incapable to feel remorse, but they were programmed with a sadistic nature. They were designed to be killing machines, and killing anything, even unarmed civilians or people who surrendered, were shown to bring them joy. They almost never refused or hesitated to execute any immoral order given to them
I think that out of the factory the droids where not sentient and just machines but they where programmed to learn and evolve overtime and with learning battle strategy they’d learn more and more complex emotions and feeling
Droids are like grunts from Halo series fun to kill but with a really sad backstory.
"7 HORRIFIC Battle Droid Deaths That Would Have Been Classed as a War Crime"
anakin:this is where the fun begins
4:02 bro's last thought was probably, fuckin worth it
" OH MY GOD!!" Famous last words.
To be fair the battle droids were probably given personalities just to have comedic relief.
It really felt like some droids would totally surrender and switch sides if they weren’t just killed outright because they can’t defend themselves.
I like the new Canon that separatist holdouts and clone deserters were the backbone of the alliance
7:36
Or it could just be a common expression of elevated anxiety in ANY being
Oh this is good, However I would argue that in at least some of these cases they could be argued as fighting combatants and would NOT be considered killing innocent lives. Such as the battle droids who were guarding Ahsoka and Cad Bane, they were both armed AND were aiding in Torturing a prisoner. So they weren't innocent. But some of these cases they were just cruel.(Then against Blaster wounds would likely also count as a war crime, so there is that, making both sides instant war criminals)
Is it dark or twisted of me to find these droid deaths even more amusing the more I think about them?
Truly dastardly crimes indeed. Heartbreaking.
Idk if y’all play the skywalker saga, but if you do, you’ll probably remember the opening cutscene for episode 3, god damn that was dark
That's the reason why I never felt that bad for the clones when they were later treated like droids. They've done the same cruelty to others countless times before, it's now their turn.
i remember one of the first episodes of the clone war where duku is anoyed with grevious treatment to the droids (just killed one of them in a simular way)
This is why we shouldn’t complain when HK-47 kills or talks about killing jedi and his murderous tendencies
Droids are machines. They are not alive nor have souls. No war crimes committed 😎 Keep slaying, my clone brothers
Yes sir!
Plus unarmed droids can be just as much as a threat just like ones that are armed they can send distress signals no matter if they have some slight sentience they are still programmed to kill at all costs
But Echo is half droid, you’re saying we kill him too?
@@thatman666 he's not fully machine the Techno Union just hooked him up with cybernetic parts
@@thatman666 No. When did I say anything about killing people with bionic limbs or implants?
You bring up 224, but in the next episode it's the opposite. Those battle droids cutting that escape pod open and saying "And they're off!" While the clones die. Little sadists...
I mean, if they only costs you carbon and food, you can throw as many as you wanted until the enemy runs out of Nova crystal and Ore.
"Anakin, spinning is not flying"
"But it's a good trick"
literally howled with laughter
knew OM-5 would be on the list. and yeah, Starwars had long had a tonal problem when it comes to droids. they are by and large shown to be sentient beings but are treated like property. then the one droid that tired to push back against it was framed as a joke.
This is interesting, they have limited capabilities due to affordability so I wonder why there's a concept of personality chip inclusion within too
I *ALWAYS* feel sorry for OM-5
If Battle Droids do not deserve to have rights, the clones do not deserved to have rights either. After all, they shot these poor droids to dead even after they surrendered.
Only when the clones finally learned that these droids are the same as them, that's when the clones deserved those rights.
I feel so bad when the poor droids just give up and accept their fate...
Rip to all of these brave hard drives
*sigh*
I miss them...