I always assumed the creatures in the nemetrix were not really specialized predators for one species but rather the apex predator of the food web from where that specific alien lives
Upchuck, Nanomech, Terraspin. Upgrade(unless you include Malware). Arctiguana, Whampirre and Alien X have no NATURAL predators but they "can" still be Yeeted by what the Nemetrix spits out. There is also another unseen yet technically official predator found in promotinal material called the Tenticlaws (theorised to be a predator of Spitter)
Didn't the reboot show a spider like predator for fouramrs, and hugemongosaur "predator" was a multy limb rex that shoot weds? Aslo with the terrorrantula, wasn't the plot of a hole episode how phil after turning in that hybrid affected the omnitrix into turning ben into only electric aliens?
Going at the top of my head here so sorry if I get anything wrong but, I'm pretty sure in the plot of ball weevils predator being Phil as the subject of the nemetrix, didn't the omnitrix bug and ONLY turn Ben into electric aliens or something? Prey would probably evolve some sort of defense mechanism and maybe the omnitrix chose it for that.
@@leonardoacosta4577 could be something unique to Terrorranchulas. If it's a Nemetrix thing then that leans into this video's take of the predators incidentally being suited against specific species.
9:28 It's confirmed in the series that he went for the 10 strongest predators in the universe, I thought. That'd explain why he got those two DNA samples. Also, the crabdozers orbit around Pyros before crashing down to feed. Its not crazy to imagine they could drift off to other planets.
That's only proving the point further. If they orbit a planet and then crash down to feed them that's the only reason they're fire proof. Ablative heating. Other than that they would be a better predator for necrofrigians because they can survive in space.
I dunno how they missed some pretty simple lore about Crabdozers, it's literally one of the first things you read on the wiki. Purposefully ignored? I doubt it, but it's kind of silly.
@@joel1245 Right, but based off what's officially shown in the show it seems unlikely that Crabdozer would be Heatblast's predator, which is what the video is about. Stuff from the wiki isn't official.
I think a little fact that helps even further is that invasive species are such successful predators due to native animals not having adaptations for them, just like pyronites and crabdozer Also seeing a spec evo fan being active in the ben10 community is such a refreshing thing
I'm pretty sure when it comes to the hypnoticks, it's actually stated in the show that they're virtually extinct as they exclusively hunt necrophrigians. Just thought I'd put that out there.
Yeah, I think the one in plumber base was the last one. Also, I think it is the predator of all aliens that can phase through things, like bigchill and Ghost freak. I think they said that
I usually think that most of these predators are just specialised in specific areas that it should be compatible with other aliens. Crabdozer is pretty much a rhino with 4 legs and a strong body so it could just plow through most aliens like even XLR8 and Fasttrack since they can't budge him. Plus it's a volcanic species so it's heat resistance and could probably walk in lava. Kyber is probably just hunting interesting and strong species that's supposed to counter Ben's original 10, but have moved on since.
I'd add to that saying probably not designed for just his oringal 10 but the main aliens he is known for using, basically counter any alien he used alot before he got the ultramatrix, especially his heavy hitters from his alien force lineup alongside some useful situational aliens incase he doesnt have enough, that first fight was the test to see if his selected choices worked, which it techically did.
@@theamazingspooderman2697what if it lives in swarm planet around the volacanic area, is omnivorous and mainly feeds on what ever it gets.. Swampfire being a common diet food for it.
Just because an alien can counter another, doesn't mean they were the intended prey, especially since all the aliens you mentioned come from different worlds where there would be no way for natural selection to take them into account. My theory is that he just took extremely strong apex predators. It's logical to think that Ben's strongest aliens would need an even stronger predator to hunt them. The aliens that Ben constantly use must be extremely powerful in some aspect because why else would he continue to choose them instead of the thousands of others he has.
No that can’t be that case because when it comes to big chill that creature seemed to perfectly be suited to hunt him same with the lil bug guy with the ball his natural predator was the spider thing I’m actually pretty sure they say that they share a planet at least some of them do
My theory is that Khyber was strategic and tried to optimize for the smallest number of predators that could be useful against the greatest number of aliens, and maybe he did try to predict which aliens Ben was more likely to use based on his fighting tendencies. Also, the selection might have to do with the mind game; trying to seem as if he had a predator for every alien when that wasn’t the case, but it didn’t matter as long as Ben thought it was true. I also imagine Khyber didn’t hunt all the predators to get their samples but at least he did with most while for some like Crabdozer he might have bought one from the black market or something and as the hunter he is he still played with it, by hunting it in a controlled setting.
If I remember correctly that crab dude hired Kyber not to collect specific predators, but simply strong predators. And also it is more efficient than travel over 10k worlds for a single DNA, and he might hunt some of them on a same planet. He's a professional hunter after all, so I guess that makes sense that he collected DNA of species that he thought would be enough to defeat multiple aliens with similar powers.
The Omnitrix actually has over 1 Million DNA Samples but I understand why you could forget since Ben when he is older calls himself Ben 10.000 Have a great day.
8:27 this is something I've always wondered about. I mean one of the limitations of the nemetrix is that apparently the species in it lack the same level of sentience as those in the Omnitrix but it's highly improbably that literally every predator has animalistic levels of sentience, especially when according to a word of god dolphin dna is in the Omnitrix. I don't see why you couldn't make a Nemetrix with aliens like Whampire or something. idk you might even be able to make a pair with one for animals like Zed and another for someone more strategic like Khyber. I will partially defend Kuro about the Krabdoze thing because I could totally see at least one rich asshole in space getting too big for their britches or keeping in a reserve or something for someone to hunt. Considering we saw animals as dangerous as the Grakiflint (idk how to spell it) being shipped and almost escaping Duck Danger or whatever his name was someone transporting an extremely dangerous alien only for it to break lose and (in the case of Krabdozer) maybe fall to the planet's surface is not impossible. Also, Krabdozer spend most of their time in orbit before they fall onto the planet and get launched back up later by volcanoes and stuff. It's totally possible that Krabdozer is native to several different worlds at the same time. This wouldn't be the first time this has happened in Ben 10 and especially considering where Krabdozer hangs out the idea that some might fly out of orbit and either die in space or fall onto a nearby planet ages ago and to have sense adapted. I think this still proves your point that Krabdozer doesn't ONLY eat pyronites but I think there are probably a lot of explanations for how an alien like Krabdozer got there.
I think the logical conclusion is that Khyber and Psychobos simply chose predators that arent sentient so they can match the host of the nemetrix (forgot her name) that isnt a sapient species, and be more easily controlled by them and have the proper instincts to hunt Ben's aliens. Obviously sapient predators are a thing but non sapience is not a rare trait either especially for predators who are adapted to hunt to live, humans for example dont anymore.
@@kennethsatria6607 if you're saying they choose the alien samples because the host is a dog, then how does it connect from the thing about phil being the previous user of the nemetrix
I think the reason is likely that since most of the species are evolved enough to have civilization, there are less sapient predators around in general, since that’s probably frown upon by intergalactic law. They just moved on to eating other things
Honestly, the Idea of Khyber just collecting Species because it i.e. counters X Ability sounds pragmatic but badass. Like, imagine he knew what the Predator of Pyronites was but went "why tf should I travel all the way to Pyros if I can instead take the more powerful krabdozer?" I could also imagine he would've taken a vladad (don't know how to spell it) sample, but didn't because they were literally thought to be extinct. Seeing a Villain Whampire would've been chilling af
@@OlliepopVT thanks! That evil Vladad would probably been totally instinctive and less like the other ones we saw. This is due to the Nemetrix usage causes... "Complicated" psychological issues when used by beings that have Sentience on a Level similar to humans. It essentially chops your intellect down but doesn't restore it upon transforming back. I think thats the only reason the Predators weren't already in the Omnitrix (If we go with the "genetic ark noah" reason for Asmuth building the Omnitrix, which was always my favorite canon).
I think it's am especially good explanation for slamworm since it'd be pretty crazy for Khyber to find his way to the andromeda Galaxy for armadrillo an alien he'd never know ben would get. When it would be perfect for most burrowing aliens, armored aliens, and a pretty good substitute for spidermonkeys predator (rootshark)
Wasn’t there also an episode that explained the Nemetrix was giving off some kind of feedback that was effecting the omnitrix and basically making the randomizer give Ben prey appropriate aliens? Edit: it was the episode where Phil shows back up….Ben keeps getting back to back electric aliens and he mentions it’s something to do with the Nemetrix
@@Faust_1410 I was just providing something to add on to his overall point that the predators aren’t alien specific and more “general archetypes” like Ben’s aliens tend to be
@@william3100 It’s both in a way….they’re alien specific in the sense that, they aren’t just random predators. Crabdozers are a Pyronites *natural* predator (they come from the same planet) But they’re also chosen with general archetypes in mind…..you get a Crabdozer instead of Swampfires predator, cause a Crabdozer is just effective against a fire alien *period* We see that the predator for BallWevil is effective against other bug aliens like StinkFly….and Phil pretty much negs any electric alien
@Kurotama11 still, for much of the time, the predators only get transformed into when Ben transforms into a certain alien. Plus, the BallWevil predator works the best at getting BallWevil because StinkFly can fly away. For all these aliens, the series directly implies that they are the natural/primary predator of these aliens. Every time the predators are being explained by someone or whatever and examined, they are always made out to be the big predator of a specific alien relative to either the plot or the situation. Crabdozer and its skin and everything seem to be specifically adapted to take down Pyronites. The same goes for all the other predators. Even BallWevil's predator seems to work the most effectively against BallWevil, whereas StinkFly, as I said earlier, can fly and can actually shoot slim balls rapidly as well to add to that. Buglizard(BallWevil's predator)seems to do the best at BallWevil and its weaknesses and strengths.
9:49 actually as we are explicitly told in the episode The war of the worlds part 1 the season finale of the Alien Force season 2 we were told that there are over 1,000,000 DNA samples in the Omnitrix database. Ben 10000 is simply a name, it is not a reference to how many transformations he has.
I was really confused on how he got that part wrong multiple times... It's one of the best known facts of the series for any fan and he's already put so much thought into this whole video
For how the Crabdozer was found on that planet that clearly wasn't Pyros, I think it just sort of got there on its own. I know that sounds stupid and rediculous, but according to word of god, Crabdozers don't actually live _on_ Pyros. They orbit it like asterodes before crashing down on it to feed on Pyronites and then ride solar flares back into orbit. Also, according to DJW, that Crabdozer was in a game preserve. Also, I disagree with the idea that Mucilator would be effective against Ben's other speed aliens for one simple reason: What does it do if Ben's running _away_ from it? Crashhopper is suseptable to the gel sacks because he can't change his trajectory mid-jump. XLR8 and Fasttrack on the other hand can stop and change course almost on a dime.
a few corrections Mucilator doesn’t exclusively hunt Orthopterrans, it literally just sits still until things run into it’s slime, it’s just really good at hunting Orthopterrans Crabdozer’s orbit Pyros (like Galileans) and only drop down to the planet to feed, they actually are specifically designed to hunt Pyronites as their saliva is a really good fire suppressant, they also had a habit of being dragged onto other planets while orbiting Omnivoracious was actually very effective, they were intelligent to the point the Galvans couldn’t outwit them, they went extinct because of an extreme climate change on Galvan Prime Vicetopus also have very rubbery skin which helps against Cerebrocrustaceans electricity Terroranchula wasn’t grabbed specifically for any one alien, it was more of a test drive thing to see how a Sapient creature like Phil could handle being turned into a mindless predator
You can probably also assume that ben has access to ever alien in the nemetrix, there's probably a failsafe that prevents ben from using them due to the effect it would have on his mind.
Many aliens in the Omnitrix, including Heatblast, probably don't have specific predators at all. Kaiber was probably just hired to collect the deadliest and most versatile predators in the universe based on Ben's known abilities. He knows which predator to use because he chose beings that can counter most TYPES of aliens.
I just wish it was explained this way. This makes so much more sense but the show from my point of view seems so focused on the idea that yes, those species evolved specifically to counter this alien. If Khyber specifically said "I've been studying your transformations for a long time and looking for specific apex predators from across the galaxy to exploit your weaknesses" and it was shown more clearly that those beasts were, in fact, just existing randomly on the other side of the galaxy and it was Khyber's expertise that gave him an edge over Ben it would make the story so much better and Khyber way more intimidating. They should show that the predators were very diverse in their abilities and prepared to counter specific powers instead of conveniently being hyperfixated on specific species that Ben conveniently never considers changing out of.
I liked the idea of them using non-sentient DNA and I like to believed that Kiba chose only Apex predator that could be used in a verity of ways. Thanks for vindicating me. My friends thought I was crazy when I suggested this.
The nemetrix also runs an interference that usually makes the omnitrix only transform into aliens that have predators and aliens weaker than those aliens. Think of how anytime he is near the nemetrix. The strongest alien he can turn into is hummongasaur. Despite having Way Big, Atomix, NRG, Chromastone, Alien X, Atomix. Most characters with intangibility usually use density shifting like big chill. Ghost freak uses spatial shifting like all ghosts which is how they are also able to teleport and possess the living
Great analysis. While it was said that Khyber's main reason to utilize these specific 10 predatory aliens was because they were the fiercest of them all, but i guess it was also to counter ben's fighting style effectively. Ben is a hit first, ask questions later type of guy and thus he generally prefers direct combat and his alien choices reflect on that preferance. Secondly, i do agree that while these nemetrix aliens are said to be direct predators of the said species, it doesn't mean they can't hunt other beings with similar abilities. For example, in the 15th episode of Omniverse "Malefactor" Grandpa Max said that Psycholeopterrans, which are Hypnotick's species, prefer hunting creatures that can also go intangible, which also include species such as Ectonurites (Ghostfreak) and Amperis(Ampfibian), but they just prefer Necrofriggians because they are easier to hunt compared to Ectonurites and Amperis, since Ectonurites can inhibit other beings' bodies to escape or rotate their eyes around their body to avoid being hypnotized and amperis can become pure energy and hide within electrical machineries. But Necrofriggians actually has no other way of defense against Psycholeopterrans since their main line of defense is their intangibility, which is useless against Hypnotick since they can also become intangible. Or same thing with Crabdozer. They can easily hunt any being with fire based abilities but they just find Pyronites to be the easiest prey to hunt since they have no other way of defense against them, whereas a Methanosian would be able to use their chlorokinesis to bind or incapacitate the crabdozer. This doesn't mean crabdozer wouldnt be able to hunt a methanosian, but they just prefer to hunt creatures that will give the least amount of difficulty.
@imthatwizarddude Basically, the specific predators within the nemetrix can also hunt other beings with similar powers, but they just prefer hunting certain species compared to others, Like Hypnotick for Big Chill, Mucillator for Crashhopper etc.
but in the show didn’t they specifically state that they are natural predators, he says the name then says what it’s the natural predator of. i’m not trying to hate btw, but i just don’t think they would put that in the show so people can make their own theories
Thank you for the commment! Don't worry, no offence taken! Even if they did state that, it still doesn't explain the Terroranchula and Mucilator being in the Nemetrix. Regardless, that's a plot hole
In the episode where kyber tells ben the origin of the nemitrix its stated that he went for the strongest and scariest predators and if ben so happens to become an alien that kyber has in the watch of course he will use it and tell be as he enjoys hunting ben and his ego would make him tell ben what predator is for what alien as that will make ben react and be fun for kyber also i dont think that the predators hunt only pyronites but having rock hard skin makes it easy for them so they prioritize them but i am sure that there are more spieces on the planets like for example astrodactyl is on humongousour's home planet and tyrannapede can probably use thier webbing to counter the flight of astrodactyl
@youssefbasem9266 astrodactyl can fly and shoot beams. It wouldn't be good prey that very much for tyrannopede, unlike humongosaur. I can imagine the predators can hunt other animals but the show still explicitly implies that these predators are the major natural predators of Ben's aliens, or just a good handful of them. This is implied when Khyber's dog transforms into a certain alien to humble Ben's alien. Tyrannopede for humongosaur, that worm creature for armadrillo, that fat blob-ish creature for crashhopper, panuncian for ditto(it is explicitly stated to be dittos's predator to add on to this), and crabdozer for heatblast. Is it THAT much of a coincidence? I really don't care what theories and technicalities this video and the guy who made it says in it. I am following what the show tells and implies to me! That is what you do before ANY theorizing. If some things don't make sense or add up, maybe it just has some plot holes! OMNIVERSE WAS NEVER KNOWN TO HAVE THE BEST OF WRITING!
Tyrannopedes probably do make for better direct predators of vexasaurians, I mean the terrain was the issue in their initial fight. We clearly see humungosaur has trouble lifting it on top of that even though he can lift and flip him it doesn't do much damage to it and I don't think weapons would either as they seem to have a very durable exoskeleton. One thing that's pointed out is that they also prey on astrodactyl's species and in my opinion I think that's what they typically use their webs for. Snagging them out of the sky using it essentially like a steel cable that's to durable for their energy burst to break. We also can't forget that terroranchula is effective against leppidopterrans seeing that it absolutely cooked stinkfly😂 but as for Khyber collecting specific species he definitely didn't. It's actually pointed out he picked the ones that were considered to be the most dangerous.
I would like to think that the Crabdozer is actually a general pretador that preys on several other species in the system pyros is part of, which would make sense considering that those beasts can fricking fly of the atmosphere of a planet like nothing, but we just associate them to Heatblast specifically because his planet is part of the system where these things live.
I think it was said in the lore that Khyber spent about five years studying Ben while updating the Nemetrix, so he probably didn't have any better ones the first time he fought Ben.
I always felt like the nematrix essentially worked like this: If someone were to use the nematrix to find something considerably close to a predator for a human, it would most likely just turn it into a polar bear or something. Not explicitly stated to be our predators as a regular kind of thing, but it is well known they are fully capable and do kill people. So essentially it's something that's native to the planets of the alien in the specific fight, but it's not technically actually the exclusive predator to that alien, just something from the same planet with the capabilities of murder
I like that, but I think the point was more explicitly about countering specific aliens. Problem is, natural ecosystems don't really work like that multiple species are preyed on by multiple other species. But like. A human predator could be like a hyena or big cat or bear or something.
@@jaybookout121 Oh yeah most definitely, especially given the context that when psychobos got a hold of the omnitrix's current DNA, I'm pretty sure it was in the past before the Omnitrix itself could remotely store the DNA, because at that point it was all still on Primus, meaning what was in the omnitrix was the few things they knew to counter.
And it just so happens to be that the ones they had counters for were the ones that covered the most bases, meaning up until Ben started getting wildly powerful new aliens, just the sheer power behind the creatures they had obtained, not even the specific effort of them being predators to specific aliens, just an overall "predation by proxy of being a fuck ton more powerful than you" situation as it were
I do think some of the Nemetrix predators are 1 to 1 with Ben’s aliens such as Tyrannopede, Hypnotic and Omnivoracious, and others like the Crabdozer were picked due to traits and ability’s.
Honestly, at this point you should make a video asking whether or not IRL ecological / evolutionary principles actually apply to Ben 10, cuz honestly it's more interesting if you look at it from that angle. Also the fandom should bone up on actual ecology/evolution since I once met a guy in the 5yl discord who thought humans could become "planetary level" by training?!?!?!?!?
@@OlliepopVT no it's worse, he thought that if each successive generation of humans trained at their finest, and each continuously trained, that they would eventually become planetary after a couple of generations...... He was using Lamarck instead of Darwin and Mendel!
@@leondyer3855 I guess they would be technically right if they refered specifically to human / anadite hybrids like Gwen because anadites don't have dna in the conventional sense but I'm assuming that's not what they meant and even if they did that wouldn't be possible via just training.
@@leondyer3855 if X-Men/Quirks/metahuman abilities are taken into account then maybe but this is strictly Ben 10 so I don't know what this guy is smoking.
I also think the name "Nemetrix" is to foil the Omnitrix and most of the aliens. That's pretty awesome considering how much life is in the Ben 10 Omniverse
I think the alien physiology might eliminate a lot of this. Who knows what the predators would consider delicious or poison? Would they be suitably equipped to digest other species? Of course some nemetrix predators could cross over and eat the prey of the others, but I think it's highly unlikely most of them can as from what we know they are highly specialized for the inhabitants of the planet they reside in. For example, the centipede looking Dino can take out both aerodactyl and humungousaur because it's highly specialized for their specific adaptations
@alan62036 "Diet. Koalas eat a variety of eucalypt leaves and a few other related tree species, including lophostemon, melaleuca and corymbia species (such as brush box, paperbark and bloodwood trees)."
From the way you explained it it make me glad i remembered the side theory i had about the nematix that he selected the most Compatible Predators for as many aliens in the ommitrix that he had or doc Psychobos(greatly miss spelled)knew of it's why he had such a limited pool because instead of going for the eveny pretator of alien in the ommitrix they would only need to collect a smaller amount and use those against ben
And if he did that, it would allow for him to save space for other pretators for any new aliens he would find out of(both of being in the ommitrix and the actual universe hello infinity)
@@OlliepopVTthe irony is that bens omnitrix does not follow this and is kind of bloated with aliens with overlapping functions, some of which are just worse than others
I always asumed that Nemetrix had the best predators in the universe and not predator for every single alien. Also since we seen wild crabdozer on regular planet maybe some of these predators were intreduced to their alien prey by acident and are invasive species
I always thought that the reason those preditors were chosen was because when malware got parts of the omnitrix's blueprints, containment information for certain species were leaked, so those would be prime preditors to go after. The only problem being armordrillo, but apparently kevins species is in existance limbo so how ben got armordrillo in the first place is tricky
I understand how Galvans (Azmuth's species). Prehistoric Galvin Prime must've been an extremely dangerous place for the Galvan species to have evolved their intelligence. Everything must've been after them.
Birds and Owls are actually good to separate because Owls also hunt smaller prey like mice, so separating the two helps differentiate bigger birds and smaller birds
There are many reasons why crabdozer could be rogue, perhaps he was being transported to a zoo or was already on a zoo at the time when he escaped captivity, and was then defeated and sampled by khyber.
they actually orbit their planets before crashing into it, so it's not impossible to assume some of them were thrown away from their orbits and landed on another planets
10:36 to further confirm this and your entire explanation, Khyber says this: I hunted down all the fiercest most savage predators in the galaxy and procured their DNA for the Nemetrix. He himself confirmed he hunted down the predators that were on top of the food chain.
I had actually thought about this recently too. Likely some of Bens aliens come from the same world, have similar ancestors and similar weaknesses. We know Upchuck has no predator due to them just eating everything so there's nothing that could evolve to counter there as they''d be eaten before too long. But ye I can see a lot of overlap in abilites on these predators, I just think the show runners wanted drama and a gimick so they play it off as "Natural predator" when it's more, this predator is good at eating this species and others like it.
i can totalt see an animal that is fruit like or activly changes gets eaten and kaboom like that angry birds style and then eats comes handy if can trow ur dog like a grenad but just growing spikes would be more efisient for one piece prey also they probably cant eat waybig or somethi real heavy for their tentacals like mucalator
For Omnivoracious, Y-It (the museum tour gide) said that the Galvans simply got lucky. A meteorite hit Galvan Prime, and the resulting climate change killed off the species, allowing the Galvans to become dominant.
Khyber most likely only had the data of what Ben could currently able to transform into when he started hunting down DNA, so he focus on aliens that would help battle against what Ben already had, cause if you remember in Omniverse when Max showed Ben and Gwen the Hypnotick Max explained how they normally hunt down prey that can become intangible which Ben's first thought was aliens like ectonurites
Not that I disagree with you but it is stated that Crabdozers spend a huge chunk of their lives in orbit of planets like Pyros(And Pyros is definitely not a star no matter who tells what) And use high geothermal activity on the planet to launch themselves to space by literally sitting on volcanoes and waiting for them to explode. They eat Pyronites to keep warm and energized in void of space I think? I might be wrong about that last part. The planet we see the Crabdozer was probably another inhabited world in the same solar system as Pyros and it is not unfeasible that Crabdozers are found all around in that solar system due to their life cycle. I don't know if this is retconned now or scrapped in reboot though. It was a long time ago I came across this information. Regardless this would make Crabdozers the apex predator of the entire Solar System Pyros is located at and not just a hyperspecialized predator of Pyronites so your point is still valid.
I agree with these points, I just want to add my own little bit of trivia: Many of the predators are the real-life predators of Ben’s real aliens BugLizard prey on StinkFly Lizards prey on insects Terrorantula prey on BallWeevil Spiders prey on beetles Omnivoratious prey on GreyMatter Birds prey on frogs Vicetopus prey on BrainStorm Octopus prey on crabs And it might be a stretch but ditto to me seems slightly mouse-ish; small, cute (depends on who you ask), and they’re everywhere Pununcian prey on ditto Cats prey on mice Ironically SlamWorm hunting armodrillo is odd since armadillos eat worms
The idea of the Nemetrix's species being just a collection of tough aliens makes a lot more sense than them being natural predators because here is a lesson in ecology: PREY AREN'T DEFENSELESS! Even with a slew of adaptations to hunt certain kinds of prey, predators fail in more hunts than they succeed because prey have evolved defenses against their predators, so we shouldn't see the one-sided match ups that we see with most of the aliens in the Nemetrix. Probably the closest to the natural prey/predator relationship is the Tyrannopede and Vaxasaurian match up, as while the Tyrannopede is deadly a healthy adult Vaxasaur _can_ defend itself like how most healthy prey species on Earth can do the same.
Crabdozers actually orbit around pyros where they spend most of their lifecycle.They crash into the surface when they want to hunt and after feeding they hitch a ride on solar flares back into said orbit. And as shown in omniverse they also have fire-supressing saliva. Crabdozers can also be found in game preserves.
if we also look back to UAF, we see the Root Shark...which suspiciously look like Crabdozer but serpentine maybe Crabdozers got launched off-world and evolved on Aranhaschimmia
@@OlliepopVT no no. Not Ultimate Nemetrix, just an ultimate Nemetrix. Weren't not talking like Ultimate Aliens, just some massive compendium of essentially every powerful predator that could be a threat to one of Ben's aliens.
@@OlliepopVT Not Exactly But Because Its Their Predator, And I Quoite "Wait Ben, Remember That Crabdozer Is The Natural Predator Of A Pyronite, So You Do Not Want To Turn Into Heatblast" If The Only Reason Was Because "Fireproof" Why Mention Pyronite Out Of All Fire-Aliens?
Wait wait wait. You said Armodrillo? The alien from the Andromida galaxy? So Kaiber went out of his way to get a predator from some remote place but didn't get a predator for some of Ben's most powerful aliens?
The nemetrix aliens may well have been selected specifically to hunt Ben's original 10 aliens but with enough utility to be used elsewhere if necessary. Buglizard is specialised for Stinkfly, Crabdozer for Heatblast, Hypnotick for Ghost Freak, Panuncian vs Wildmutt (can't surprise him with his enhanced senses, so multiply and attack from multiple directions at once), Mucilator for XLR8, Omnivoracious for Grey Matter, Slamworm for Diamondhead (ambush him and try to swallow him whole, then allow the potent acid to dissolve his crystal body), Terroranchula vs Upgrade (the plasma webs are shown to be able to shock targets and I think Galvanic Mechamorphs are vulnerable to electrical attacks), Tyrannopede for Four Arms and Vicetopus for Ripjaws (mostly a guess, as it's the only one that looks aquatic). But, as well as those specialisations, they're all at least somewhat capable of fighting others of the classic 10 and, as we see in the show, aliens outside of that playlist as well.
Omnivoracious did not die out due to not being an effective predator or evolution, but due to a freak weather/climate change which had nothing to do with its relationship to the Galvan. The Crabdozer is stated to be the natural predator. That is not really up for debate. One can either say they changed the planet altogether, or that it is just not on their planet. What transpires in the reboot continuity does not need to exactly hold to the original.
U also gotta remember that bens aliens are like the chadiest of the chads of that species. For example bens male 16 year old tetramand or whatever was stronger than a female tetramand who was older and probably more trained and experience. (Females are meant to be stronger) so just because bens humangasaur (probably butchered that name) can beat something up dosent mean an average one will stand a chance
There's a reason why I'm an og Ben 10 fan. It's bc of these controversial topics and theories. It just makes the og franchise even better. Onto your poll I personally loved and still love Yu-Gi-Oh. I'm guessing your favorite one growing up was Bakugan.
I always assumed that when malware brought the incomplete omitrix to psycobos that some of the dna was incomplete or shuffled with some others so they hired Kyber to get DNA for predators the arsenal. Because theoretically kyber started this hunt before Ben put the watch on in Alien Force so most of the predators wouldn’t be specific counters as Ben hasn’t unlocked most of them.
Crabdozer might be the predator of swamp fire. backup: look at the suroundings of wher kyber found it. what do you see? plants. (also yes i know the plants ar red but mby its just fall or smthing)
I dont think ANYTHING is the predator of Xlr8. Hes fastert than ANYTHING else in the series and intelligent naturally... not very bottom of the food chain
They are directly implied in the show to be the natural predators OF BEN'S ALIENS or at least a good amount of them, not including ones like Alien X, and Clockwork maybe. Also, every time the show goes in depth about the nature of certain predators, they are ALWAYS portrayed as the primary predators of certain aliens that Ben ends up turning into in the show or aliens that the plot demands for a predator to be used like Omnivoracious for Galvens(primary plot creature for that two parter), Vicetopus for Cerebrocrustaceans(to subdue Psychobos), Tyrannopede for Vaxesaurians(turned into one EVERY TIME for Humongosaur), and panuncians for Ditto's species(directly said to be the natural predator for). Every alien Ben turns into to fight Khyber's dog and panuncian, and transformation into a predator for the plot, has ALWAYS been for heavily implied and stated directly to be the natural predator for that particular being. AT NO POINT in the show were ANY predator implied to not be the primary predator for a certain alien. I watched the show! I know what is being conveyed! I can't believe both this video and the comments. Time and time again, the show directly implies every predator that the wearer of the Nemetrix transforms into for a certain scene or episode is the primary natural predator of the alien Ben turns into or any other alien that needs to subdued or done anything else to for the plot. IT ISN'T A COINCIDENCE! Crabdozer
Personal The crab dozers are probably one of wildvines (i forgot the name of the species) predators because: The crab dozer have thick shells(?) to counter the bombs of wildvine The spikes/ horns would counter the vines And the large bulky-ness to counter the wildvines ambush stuff (it would be a lot harder to ambush a big creature that's like 10x bigger then yourself) their habit is quite floral which would match wildvines theme
Each Alien is still from different planets, and dominants of their owns, so its still very fun to create many OC predators for specific aliens, as it would still make sense for such species of its target from Omnitrix being the main target of their predatory. The multi-predation is a fun extra for these aliens still. Kinda funny that humans are both prey and predator of every single animal on earth.
7:40 This pred can also upgrade himself, so he's semi untouchable Like how we saw with stinkfly. Producing an electric shock. & if I'm not mistaken, his webs can also absorb some projectile attacks
So the point of this video is that the Nemetrix like the omnitrix has a limited pool of samples to choose from. But still a big one. And I assume Dr Psychobos who made it was also partially the brains behind these sample choices. So its not just Khyber who planned and created this device. But I still think it cant be ignored that while predators generally have a wide scope of prey animal species, they do definitely exist and have adaptations to counter said prey's defenses that they coexist with, most of the omnitrix aliens have one and it makes sense cause most of them still live in more hostile worlds than our own. A vaxasaurian with a spear is pretty much similar to us with one against a tiger its not gonna do much and we can be caught without one or it straight up not being enough. A tyrannosaurus bite is strong enough to puncture the armor of ankylosaurus and triceratops, they have some means to fight back and counter its own adaptations but as is the predator has tools to threaten the prey. And then as to predators being effective against aliens that its never naturally met we do have a thing called invasive species, it makes sense that because no predator can live comfortably being an absolute specialist that said predatory animals can match well against other prey animals like a dingo brought by humans and a kangaroo who are isolated in australia. I feel like the Nemetrix still makes a lot of sense to me it just has more to it in usage than simply being a reactive counter to the omnitrix.
Fan of digimon here, also the fusion concept is rad, but just like the ultimate concept defeats the purpose of "walking a mile" in another creatures "shoes" I am a fan of the skurd concept alot, becuase it honestly shows how species could work together in harmony
5:35 that’s exactly what happened. An Ice Age caused Omnivoracious to go extinct and Kyber got the DNA from fossil in a Galvan museum. Had it been a while since you’ve seen the show?
I have always disliked the "fact" that all of Ben's aliens have a perfect predator for them because if you imagine food web on the top of it would upchuck's species because they literally eat their own planet P.s alien-x's species is nowhere on the food web because they are god like
@@OlliepopVT I think it's flat out stated that Upchuck doesn't have a predator too (which is part of the reason the Nemetrix had an ultimate function added onto it. So it wouldn't be limited to natural predators or something according to Khyber). Either way ultimate form or not idk what's going to be able to consistently prey on Alien X except another Alien X or some being that is far beyond the 3rd dimension that I have no idea how Khyber could ever get his hands on it. Because we do know for a fact that there are apparently aliens stronger than Alien X but I don't know how Khyber would get his hands on the dna sample of something more powerful than Alien X and giving him one would absolutely break the story in several places.
My dude the whole point is that not all do, but the ones that do its like us being matched up against a friggin tiger its still highly effective and most are available for cataloguing to be used in the Nemetrix
@@douglysium9770 alien x has been stated to be beyond 27D entities And there only 2 known ways to kill Him He doesn’t have a predator but considering how most people don’t seem to believe of Alien X existence they didn’t bother with it
Kiri when seeing every predator: "Sir, If You Have a Complaint I Suggest You Submit It Through Our Celestialsapien retcon System." Kiri when seeing Crabdozer: "You are done. Fired. Do not show your face in the Nemetrix again. Stay away from Zed. Do not go near her. Ever. Are you listening to me?"
ive always looked at the nemetrix as a swish army version of the omnitrix fewer options but alot of versatility in what its used for. kyhber chose specific species that i suspect are the top non sentient predators in the universe that way he could be prepared an strategize easier for his hunt on ben. versatility in top options is better then unlimited dna to dabble with.
Certainly the Crabdozer! But like I wanted to get across with this video, the Crabdozer isn't the NATURAL predator, just a species that COINCIDENTALLY is a predator of Pyronites
@@OlliepopVT Ok so what I get from this theory is all of the nemetrix alien are generalist predator that have a prey they are known to prey on. Like in America, grizzly bear are known salmon fishermen but they also hunt caribou, reindeer, and many more
@@OlliepopVT I mean fair, just as like, the primary predator? The Aburian Pelorotas really don’t seem like they are built to go anywhere near the deep ocean, but whatever. Maybe it’s an amphibious predator that rides tsunamis deep inland due the tidal conditions on the planet being bizarre and that’s why the A.P. Evolved to be so Roll-with-the-punches or whatever.
I suggest you start running cuz like the entire Ben 10 fandom is 10,000 meters from your location and approaching rapidly Not trying have this be like a threat or anything
@@OlliepopVT have fun Also I don’t think that kiber would have even tried to go for the predator of Diamond head cuz that spices is most likely extinct
I thought there was like 1.3 million different species in the Omnitrixs. Didn’t asthma mention that or something idk i forgot it’s been years since I watched the show
Something else on this is that realistically a lot of bens aliens don't have predators like humans don't really have a predator since most of the aliens are probably the "human equivalent" on their home world and a lot of aliens feel like they would be predators like wildmutt wildvine and we even know Whampire is a predator species so I do feel the Nematrix is just the strongest ones they could get since kaiber could mess with the Omnitrix to give ben the worst outcomes against the predators Also I straight up did not remember that Brainstrom had a predator when the heck did that happen
It was when Azmuth made a whistle to be able to command Zed, he told it to turn into a vicetopus, a cerebral crustations natural predator, which then attacked psychobos
I always assumed the creatures in the nemetrix were not really specialized predators for one species but rather the apex predator of the food web from where that specific alien lives
I mean modern human would kick Dinofelis but
Upchuck, Nanomech, Terraspin. Upgrade(unless you include Malware). Arctiguana, Whampirre and Alien X have no NATURAL predators but they "can" still be Yeeted by what the Nemetrix spits out.
There is also another unseen yet technically official predator found in promotinal material called the Tenticlaws (theorised to be a predator of Spitter)
@@Watcher1134if we have what's essentially living planets in Ben 10 maybe Whampires get hunted by living suns XD
@@Recon-601Whampire is the apex predator in Anur Transyl
@@Watcher1134alien x does have a predator. Osmosians. That's why they left the universe
I feel like Kaiber started with predators adapted to Ben's favored forms and then got some utility forms to round out the active list
Ooh I love that idea! That's super creative!
Didn't the reboot show a spider like predator for fouramrs, and hugemongosaur "predator" was a multy limb rex that shoot weds?
Aslo with the terrorrantula, wasn't the plot of a hole episode how phil after turning in that hybrid affected the omnitrix into turning ben into only electric aliens?
Going at the top of my head here so sorry if I get anything wrong but, I'm pretty sure in the plot of ball weevils predator being Phil as the subject of the nemetrix, didn't the omnitrix bug and ONLY turn Ben into electric aliens or something? Prey would probably evolve some sort of defense mechanism and maybe the omnitrix chose it for that.
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@@leonardoacosta4577 could be something unique to Terrorranchulas. If it's a Nemetrix thing then that leans into this video's take of the predators incidentally being suited against specific species.
9:28 It's confirmed in the series that he went for the 10 strongest predators in the universe, I thought. That'd explain why he got those two DNA samples. Also, the crabdozers orbit around Pyros before crashing down to feed. Its not crazy to imagine they could drift off to other planets.
yeah that Crabdozer thing is wild lol
That's only proving the point further. If they orbit a planet and then crash down to feed them that's the only reason they're fire proof. Ablative heating. Other than that they would be a better predator for necrofrigians because they can survive in space.
I dunno how they missed some pretty simple lore about Crabdozers, it's literally one of the first things you read on the wiki. Purposefully ignored? I doubt it, but it's kind of silly.
@@ARandomEliatrope it's only ever mentioned in the wiki and the writers never confirmed it
@@joel1245 Right, but based off what's officially shown in the show it seems unlikely that Crabdozer would be Heatblast's predator, which is what the video is about. Stuff from the wiki isn't official.
I think a little fact that helps even further is that invasive species are such successful predators due to native animals not having adaptations for them, just like pyronites and crabdozer
Also seeing a spec evo fan being active in the ben10 community is such a refreshing thing
Spec evo is a brilliant little sub-genre of media, and I'm glad I'm able to bring a Ben 10 twist to it!
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Uhhh.... an invasive species doesn't instantly mean predator... It's simply something that doesn't belong (is foreign) to a hypothetical ecosystem.
@@azazelblackfire816 that is true and something I realized I worded badly I mostly mean just out compete
Invasive species would either thrive in another area due to them not having a natural predator or would die out due to the unsuitable environment
I'm pretty sure when it comes to the hypnoticks, it's actually stated in the show that they're virtually extinct as they exclusively hunt necrophrigians.
Just thought I'd put that out there.
Yeah, I think the one in plumber base was the last one. Also, I think it is the predator of all aliens that can phase through things, like bigchill and Ghost freak. I think they said that
I'd still like to see Zzzzkyar vs the hypnotick!
@@asmatariq9738 they cant really hunt ectonurites because they basically never leave the anur system and nothing ever enters it either
They were actually hunted to near extinction, not starved. It is explained in the episode with the plumber base
I usually think that most of these predators are just specialised in specific areas that it should be compatible with other aliens. Crabdozer is pretty much a rhino with 4 legs and a strong body so it could just plow through most aliens like even XLR8 and Fasttrack since they can't budge him. Plus it's a volcanic species so it's heat resistance and could probably walk in lava. Kyber is probably just hunting interesting and strong species that's supposed to counter Ben's original 10, but have moved on since.
Interesting idea!
Crabdozer is seen orbiting it's planet too so he is immune to freezing and radiation, can also survive in limited oxygen etc etc.
I'd add to that saying probably not designed for just his oringal 10 but the main aliens he is known for using, basically counter any alien he used alot before he got the ultramatrix, especially his heavy hitters from his alien force lineup alongside some useful situational aliens incase he doesnt have enough, that first fight was the test to see if his selected choices worked, which it techically did.
@@theamazingspooderman2697what if it lives in swarm planet around the volacanic area, is omnivorous and mainly feeds on what ever it gets..
Swampfire being a common diet food for it.
Rhinos have 4 legs...
Just because an alien can counter another, doesn't mean they were the intended prey, especially since all the aliens you mentioned come from different worlds where there would be no way for natural selection to take them into account. My theory is that he just took extremely strong apex predators. It's logical to think that Ben's strongest aliens would need an even stronger predator to hunt them. The aliens that Ben constantly use must be extremely powerful in some aspect because why else would he continue to choose them instead of the thousands of others he has.
No that can’t be that case because when it comes to big chill that creature seemed to perfectly be suited to hunt him same with the lil bug guy with the ball his natural predator was the spider thing I’m actually pretty sure they say that they share a planet at least some of them do
My theory is that Khyber was strategic and tried to optimize for the smallest number of predators that could be useful against the greatest number of aliens, and maybe he did try to predict which aliens Ben was more likely to use based on his fighting tendencies. Also, the selection might have to do with the mind game; trying to seem as if he had a predator for every alien when that wasn’t the case, but it didn’t matter as long as Ben thought it was true.
I also imagine Khyber didn’t hunt all the predators to get their samples but at least he did with most while for some like Crabdozer he might have bought one from the black market or something and as the hunter he is he still played with it, by hunting it in a controlled setting.
I imagine Khyber hunted all of them himself just for the sport.
He also has a hanged Crabdozer head on his ship
If I remember correctly that crab dude hired Kyber not to collect specific predators, but simply strong predators. And also it is more efficient than travel over 10k worlds for a single DNA, and he might hunt some of them on a same planet. He's a professional hunter after all, so I guess that makes sense that he collected DNA of species that he thought would be enough to defeat multiple aliens with similar powers.
The Omnitrix actually has over 1 Million DNA Samples but I understand why you could forget since Ben when he is older calls himself Ben 10.000 Have a great day.
8:27 this is something I've always wondered about. I mean one of the limitations of the nemetrix is that apparently the species in it lack the same level of sentience as those in the Omnitrix but it's highly improbably that literally every predator has animalistic levels of sentience, especially when according to a word of god dolphin dna is in the Omnitrix. I don't see why you couldn't make a Nemetrix with aliens like Whampire or something. idk you might even be able to make a pair with one for animals like Zed and another for someone more strategic like Khyber.
I will partially defend Kuro about the Krabdoze thing because I could totally see at least one rich asshole in space getting too big for their britches or keeping in a reserve or something for someone to hunt. Considering we saw animals as dangerous as the Grakiflint (idk how to spell it) being shipped and almost escaping Duck Danger or whatever his name was someone transporting an extremely dangerous alien only for it to break lose and (in the case of Krabdozer) maybe fall to the planet's surface is not impossible. Also, Krabdozer spend most of their time in orbit before they fall onto the planet and get launched back up later by volcanoes and stuff. It's totally possible that Krabdozer is native to several different worlds at the same time. This wouldn't be the first time this has happened in Ben 10 and especially considering where Krabdozer hangs out the idea that some might fly out of orbit and either die in space or fall onto a nearby planet ages ago and to have sense adapted. I think this still proves your point that Krabdozer doesn't ONLY eat pyronites but I think there are probably a lot of explanations for how an alien like Krabdozer got there.
Thank you for this comment! I love the ideas you presented for Crabdozer's origins in the second paragraph!
I think the logical conclusion is that Khyber and Psychobos simply chose predators that arent sentient so they can match the host of the nemetrix (forgot her name) that isnt a sapient species, and be more easily controlled by them and have the proper instincts to hunt Ben's aliens.
Obviously sapient predators are a thing but non sapience is not a rare trait either especially for predators who are adapted to hunt to live, humans for example dont anymore.
@@kennethsatria6607 if you're saying they choose the alien samples because the host is a dog, then how does it connect from the thing about phil being the previous user of the nemetrix
@@oceanman2398well wasnt that just an experiment?
I think the reason is likely that since most of the species are evolved enough to have civilization, there are less sapient predators around in general, since that’s probably frown upon by intergalactic law. They just moved on to eating other things
Honestly, the Idea of Khyber just collecting Species because it i.e. counters X Ability sounds pragmatic but badass.
Like, imagine he knew what the Predator of Pyronites was but went "why tf should I travel all the way to Pyros if I can instead take the more powerful krabdozer?"
I could also imagine he would've taken a vladad (don't know how to spell it) sample, but didn't because they were literally thought to be extinct. Seeing a Villain Whampire would've been chilling af
Would've loved to see that!
Also, love the Yamato rep!
@@OlliepopVT thanks!
That evil Vladad would probably been totally instinctive and less like the other ones we saw.
This is due to the Nemetrix usage causes... "Complicated" psychological issues when used by beings that have Sentience on a Level similar to humans. It essentially chops your intellect down but doesn't restore it upon transforming back.
I think thats the only reason the Predators weren't already in the Omnitrix (If we go with the "genetic ark noah" reason for Asmuth building the Omnitrix, which was always my favorite canon).
@@yamato9753All sapience are sentient. But not all sentient are sapience
I think it's am especially good explanation for slamworm since it'd be pretty crazy for Khyber to find his way to the andromeda Galaxy for armadrillo an alien he'd never know ben would get. When it would be perfect for most burrowing aliens, armored aliens, and a pretty good substitute for spidermonkeys predator (rootshark)
yeah Vladats were not only extinct but u can't even enter the planet they used to live on
Wasn’t there also an episode that explained the Nemetrix was giving off some kind of feedback that was effecting the omnitrix and basically making the randomizer give Ben prey appropriate aliens?
Edit: it was the episode where Phil shows back up….Ben keeps getting back to back electric aliens and he mentions it’s something to do with the Nemetrix
That still doesn't really matter. It could just mean that the nemetrix was just transforming into the most appropriate alien to counter ben
@@Faust_1410 I was just providing something to add on to his overall point that the predators aren’t alien specific and more “general archetypes” like Ben’s aliens tend to be
@Kurotama11 but the show kinda implies that the predators are alien specific.
@@william3100 It’s both in a way….they’re alien specific in the sense that, they aren’t just random predators. Crabdozers are a Pyronites *natural* predator (they come from the same planet)
But they’re also chosen with general archetypes in mind…..you get a Crabdozer instead of Swampfires predator, cause a Crabdozer is just effective against a fire alien *period*
We see that the predator for BallWevil is effective against other bug aliens like StinkFly….and Phil pretty much negs any electric alien
@Kurotama11 still, for much of the time, the predators only get transformed into when Ben transforms into a certain alien. Plus, the BallWevil predator works the best at getting BallWevil because StinkFly can fly away.
For all these aliens, the series directly implies that they are the natural/primary predator of these aliens. Every time the predators are being explained by someone or whatever and examined, they are always made out to be the big predator of a specific alien relative to either the plot or the situation.
Crabdozer and its skin and everything seem to be specifically adapted to take down Pyronites. The same goes for all the other predators. Even BallWevil's predator seems to work the most effectively against BallWevil, whereas StinkFly, as I said earlier, can fly and can actually shoot slim balls rapidly as well to add to that.
Buglizard(BallWevil's predator)seems to do the best at BallWevil and its weaknesses and strengths.
9:49 actually as we are explicitly told in the episode The war of the worlds part 1 the season finale of the Alien Force season 2 we were told that there are over 1,000,000 DNA samples in the Omnitrix database. Ben 10000 is simply a name, it is not a reference to how many transformations he has.
I was really confused on how he got that part wrong multiple times... It's one of the best known facts of the series for any fan and he's already put so much thought into this whole video
For how the Crabdozer was found on that planet that clearly wasn't Pyros, I think it just sort of got there on its own.
I know that sounds stupid and rediculous, but according to word of god, Crabdozers don't actually live _on_ Pyros. They orbit it like asterodes before crashing down on it to feed on Pyronites and then ride solar flares back into orbit.
Also, according to DJW, that Crabdozer was in a game preserve.
Also, I disagree with the idea that Mucilator would be effective against Ben's other speed aliens for one simple reason: What does it do if Ben's running _away_ from it? Crashhopper is suseptable to the gel sacks because he can't change his trajectory mid-jump. XLR8 and Fasttrack on the other hand can stop and change course almost on a dime.
I think Khyber simply picked a selection of generalized predators with a few specialized ones.
a few corrections
Mucilator doesn’t exclusively hunt Orthopterrans, it literally just sits still until things run into it’s slime, it’s just really good at hunting Orthopterrans
Crabdozer’s orbit Pyros (like Galileans) and only drop down to the planet to feed, they actually are specifically designed to hunt Pyronites as their saliva is a really good fire suppressant, they also had a habit of being dragged onto other planets while orbiting
Omnivoracious was actually very effective, they were intelligent to the point the Galvans couldn’t outwit them, they went extinct because of an extreme climate change on Galvan Prime
Vicetopus also have very rubbery skin which helps against Cerebrocrustaceans electricity
Terroranchula wasn’t grabbed specifically for any one alien, it was more of a test drive thing to see how a Sapient creature like Phil could handle being turned into a mindless predator
I don't know why but whenever you say "Kaiber" I keep hearing "Kaiba" and that makes me crack up
You can probably also assume that ben has access to ever alien in the nemetrix, there's probably a failsafe that prevents ben from using them due to the effect it would have on his mind.
Many aliens in the Omnitrix, including Heatblast, probably don't have specific predators at all.
Kaiber was probably just hired to collect the deadliest and most versatile predators in the universe based on Ben's known abilities. He knows which predator to use because he chose beings that can counter most TYPES of aliens.
I just wish it was explained this way. This makes so much more sense but the show from my point of view seems so focused on the idea that yes, those species evolved specifically to counter this alien. If Khyber specifically said "I've been studying your transformations for a long time and looking for specific apex predators from across the galaxy to exploit your weaknesses" and it was shown more clearly that those beasts were, in fact, just existing randomly on the other side of the galaxy and it was Khyber's expertise that gave him an edge over Ben it would make the story so much better and Khyber way more intimidating. They should show that the predators were very diverse in their abilities and prepared to counter specific powers instead of conveniently being hyperfixated on specific species that Ben conveniently never considers changing out of.
I liked the idea of them using non-sentient DNA and I like to believed that Kiba chose only Apex predator that could be used in a verity of ways. Thanks for vindicating me. My friends thought I was crazy when I suggested this.
The nemetrix also runs an interference that usually makes the omnitrix only transform into aliens that have predators and aliens weaker than those aliens. Think of how anytime he is near the nemetrix. The strongest alien he can turn into is hummongasaur. Despite having Way Big, Atomix, NRG, Chromastone, Alien X, Atomix. Most characters with intangibility usually use density shifting like big chill. Ghost freak uses spatial shifting like all ghosts which is how they are also able to teleport and possess the living
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Great analysis. While it was said that Khyber's main reason to utilize these specific 10 predatory aliens was because they were the fiercest of them all, but i guess it was also to counter ben's fighting style effectively. Ben is a hit first, ask questions later type of guy and thus he generally prefers direct combat and his alien choices reflect on that preferance.
Secondly, i do agree that while these nemetrix aliens are said to be direct predators of the said species, it doesn't mean they can't hunt other beings with similar abilities. For example, in the 15th episode of Omniverse "Malefactor" Grandpa Max said that Psycholeopterrans, which are Hypnotick's species, prefer hunting creatures that can also go intangible, which also include species such as Ectonurites (Ghostfreak) and Amperis(Ampfibian), but they just prefer Necrofriggians because they are easier to hunt compared to Ectonurites and Amperis, since Ectonurites can inhibit other beings' bodies to escape or rotate their eyes around their body to avoid being hypnotized and amperis can become pure energy and hide within electrical machineries. But Necrofriggians actually has no other way of defense against Psycholeopterrans since their main line of defense is their intangibility, which is useless against Hypnotick since they can also become intangible. Or same thing with Crabdozer. They can easily hunt any being with fire based abilities but they just find Pyronites to be the easiest prey to hunt since they have no other way of defense against them, whereas a Methanosian would be able to use their chlorokinesis to bind or incapacitate the crabdozer. This doesn't mean crabdozer wouldnt be able to hunt a methanosian, but they just prefer to hunt creatures that will give the least amount of difficulty.
@imthatwizarddude Basically, the specific predators within the nemetrix can also hunt other beings with similar powers, but they just prefer hunting certain species compared to others, Like Hypnotick for Big Chill, Mucillator for Crashhopper etc.
@imthatwizarddude Uhhh, you're welcome?
I like Ur analysis, in our world too. Predators go after the weakest prey animal to hunt, they offer least resistance.
but in the show didn’t they specifically state that they are natural predators, he says the name then says what it’s the natural predator of. i’m not trying to hate btw, but i just don’t think they would put that in the show so people can make their own theories
Thank you for the commment! Don't worry, no offence taken!
Even if they did state that, it still doesn't explain the Terroranchula and Mucilator being in the Nemetrix. Regardless, that's a plot hole
@@OlliepopVT thank you for not taking offence 🙏. and yeah i do agree that it is a plot whole
In the episode where kyber tells ben the origin of the nemitrix its stated that he went for the strongest and scariest predators and if ben so happens to become an alien that kyber has in the watch of course he will use it and tell be as he enjoys hunting ben and his ego would make him tell ben what predator is for what alien as that will make ben react and be fun for kyber also i dont think that the predators hunt only pyronites but having rock hard skin makes it easy for them so they prioritize them but i am sure that there are more spieces on the planets like for example astrodactyl is on humongousour's home planet and tyrannapede can probably use thier webbing to counter the flight of astrodactyl
@youssefbasem9266 astrodactyl can fly and shoot beams. It wouldn't be good prey that very much for tyrannopede, unlike humongosaur. I can imagine the predators can hunt other animals but the show still explicitly implies that these predators are the major natural predators of Ben's aliens, or just a good handful of them. This is implied when Khyber's dog transforms into a certain alien to humble Ben's alien.
Tyrannopede for humongosaur, that worm creature for armadrillo, that fat blob-ish creature for crashhopper, panuncian for ditto(it is explicitly stated to be dittos's predator to add on to this), and crabdozer for heatblast. Is it THAT much of a coincidence?
I really don't care what theories and technicalities this video and the guy who made it says in it. I am following what the show tells and implies to me! That is what you do before ANY theorizing. If some things don't make sense or add up, maybe it just has some plot holes! OMNIVERSE WAS NEVER KNOWN TO HAVE THE BEST OF WRITING!
Tyrannopedes probably do make for better direct predators of vexasaurians, I mean the terrain was the issue in their initial fight. We clearly see humungosaur has trouble lifting it on top of that even though he can lift and flip him it doesn't do much damage to it and I don't think weapons would either as they seem to have a very durable exoskeleton. One thing that's pointed out is that they also prey on astrodactyl's species and in my opinion I think that's what they typically use their webs for. Snagging them out of the sky using it essentially like a steel cable that's to durable for their energy burst to break. We also can't forget that terroranchula is effective against leppidopterrans seeing that it absolutely cooked stinkfly😂 but as for Khyber collecting specific species he definitely didn't. It's actually pointed out he picked the ones that were considered to be the most dangerous.
I would like to think that the Crabdozer is actually a general pretador that preys on several other species in the system pyros is part of, which would make sense considering that those beasts can fricking fly of the atmosphere of a planet like nothing, but we just associate them to Heatblast specifically because his planet is part of the system where these things live.
And he's the only one Ben has.
I think it was said in the lore that Khyber spent about five years studying Ben while updating the Nemetrix, so he probably didn't have any better ones the first time he fought Ben.
I always felt like the nematrix essentially worked like this:
If someone were to use the nematrix to find something considerably close to a predator for a human, it would most likely just turn it into a polar bear or something. Not explicitly stated to be our predators as a regular kind of thing, but it is well known they are fully capable and do kill people.
So essentially it's something that's native to the planets of the alien in the specific fight, but it's not technically actually the exclusive predator to that alien, just something from the same planet with the capabilities of murder
I like that, but I think the point was more explicitly about countering specific aliens. Problem is, natural ecosystems don't really work like that multiple species are preyed on by multiple other species. But like. A human predator could be like a hyena or big cat or bear or something.
@@jaybookout121 Oh yeah most definitely, especially given the context that when psychobos got a hold of the omnitrix's current DNA, I'm pretty sure it was in the past before the Omnitrix itself could remotely store the DNA, because at that point it was all still on Primus, meaning what was in the omnitrix was the few things they knew to counter.
And it just so happens to be that the ones they had counters for were the ones that covered the most bases, meaning up until Ben started getting wildly powerful new aliens, just the sheer power behind the creatures they had obtained, not even the specific effort of them being predators to specific aliens, just an overall "predation by proxy of being a fuck ton more powerful than you" situation as it were
Human used to have a speciallised predator. Look up Dinofelis. WHat happen? We reached ultimate form
I do think some of the Nemetrix predators are 1 to 1 with Ben’s aliens such as Tyrannopede, Hypnotic and Omnivoracious, and others like the Crabdozer were picked due to traits and ability’s.
I thought that the Crabdozer was an invasive species, similarly to how cats and dogs can wreak havoc on an island despite being foreign to it
Honestly, at this point you should make a video asking whether or not IRL ecological / evolutionary principles actually apply to Ben 10, cuz honestly it's more interesting if you look at it from that angle.
Also the fandom should bone up on actual ecology/evolution since I once met a guy in the 5yl discord who thought humans could become "planetary level" by training?!?!?!?!?
Lmfao that person used DBZ logic bc the DBZ Saiyans exist in the 5YL Canon and therefore the same rules should apply to humans by that logic
@@OlliepopVT no it's worse, he thought that if each successive generation of humans trained at their finest, and each continuously trained, that they would eventually become planetary after a couple of generations......
He was using Lamarck instead of Darwin and Mendel!
@@leondyer3855 I guess they would be technically right if they refered specifically to human / anadite hybrids like Gwen because anadites don't have dna in the conventional sense but I'm assuming that's not what they meant and even if they did that wouldn't be possible via just training.
@@leondyer3855 if X-Men/Quirks/metahuman abilities are taken into account then maybe but this is strictly Ben 10 so I don't know what this guy is smoking.
@@leondyer3855 yeah lol, strength and all that doesn't transfer to the progeny, the progeny will have to train for it
I also think the name "Nemetrix" is to foil the Omnitrix and most of the aliens. That's pretty awesome considering how much life is in the Ben 10 Omniverse
i swear someone'll prolly make a tierzoo type list for ben10 eventually.
I think the alien physiology might eliminate a lot of this. Who knows what the predators would consider delicious or poison? Would they be suitably equipped to digest other species? Of course some nemetrix predators could cross over and eat the prey of the others, but I think it's highly unlikely most of them can as from what we know they are highly specialized for the inhabitants of the planet they reside in. For example, the centipede looking Dino can take out both aerodactyl and humungousaur because it's highly specialized for their specific adaptations
Animals don't evolve to eat just one thing.
Koalas: ...
Koalas eat eucalyptus and poop
That's 2 things
@@OlliepopVT And the poop is made from?? :)
@alan62036 "Diet. Koalas eat a variety of eucalypt leaves and a few other related tree species, including lophostemon, melaleuca and corymbia species (such as brush box, paperbark and bloodwood trees)."
From the way you explained it it make me glad i remembered the side theory i had about the nematix that he selected the most Compatible Predators for as many aliens in the ommitrix that he had or doc Psychobos(greatly miss spelled)knew of it's why he had such a limited pool because instead of going for the eveny pretator of alien in the ommitrix they would only need to collect a smaller amount and use those against ben
I like that a lot! "Minimal effort, maximum effectiveness"-type approach, yeah?
@KirigiriKirin definitely because umm hello, WHO APART FROM ASMITH WOULD KNOW HOW MANY ALIEN ARE IN THAT THING
And if he did that, it would allow for him to save space for other pretators for any new aliens he would find out of(both of being in the ommitrix and the actual universe hello infinity)
@@OlliepopVTthe irony is that bens omnitrix does not follow this and is kind of bloated with aliens with overlapping functions, some of which are just worse than others
I always asumed that Nemetrix had the best predators in the universe and not predator for every single alien. Also since we seen wild crabdozer on regular planet maybe some of these predators were intreduced to their alien prey by acident and are invasive species
I always thought that the reason those preditors were chosen was because when malware got parts of the omnitrix's blueprints, containment information for certain species were leaked, so those would be prime preditors to go after.
The only problem being armordrillo, but apparently kevins species is in existance limbo so how ben got armordrillo in the first place is tricky
Maybe Aggregor would have had a surprise upon returning "home"?
I understand how Galvans (Azmuth's species). Prehistoric Galvin Prime must've been an extremely dangerous place for the Galvan species to have evolved their intelligence. Everything must've been after them.
Birds and Owls are actually good to separate because Owls also hunt smaller prey like mice, so separating the two helps differentiate bigger birds and smaller birds
Oh, well that's good then! I accidentally made the right move lol
There's a theory that he analyzed Ben's most common omnitrix selection and only chose the ones he has a habit of using
There are many reasons why crabdozer could be rogue, perhaps he was being transported to a zoo or was already on a zoo at the time when he escaped captivity, and was then defeated and sampled by khyber.
True that!
they actually orbit their planets before crashing into it, so it's not impossible to assume some of them were thrown away from their orbits and landed on another planets
Honestly, I remember kyber just grabbed the strongest predator instead of each and every predator because that would be to much.
That'd make much more sense!
@@OlliepopVT it also works with the understanding of predator. Why bother go for every type when you can just grab the best.
@rossjones8656 Fr. Easier to get a seldom few apex predators rather than a load of subpar ones
@@OlliepopVT I swear kiber said something to that nature but I could be missremebering.
I don’t think echo echo has any predators. It’s just living sound inside of a silicon suit.
ear plugs : allow us to introduce ourselves
@@voidpope are those the predators of sound or the parasites of sound?
For Crabdozer vs Eye Guy, Eye guy can shoot Freeze rays which could deal with the Crabdozer
10:36 to further confirm this and your entire explanation, Khyber says this:
I hunted down all the fiercest most savage predators in the galaxy and procured their DNA for the Nemetrix.
He himself confirmed he hunted down the predators that were on top of the food chain.
So Khyber got specifically these 10 predators cause they were the nastiest and strongest ones.
Nano mech is the only one of his species that was created from the Omnitrix itself
I had actually thought about this recently too.
Likely some of Bens aliens come from the same world, have similar ancestors and similar weaknesses.
We know Upchuck has no predator due to them just eating everything so there's nothing that could evolve to counter there as they''d be eaten before too long.
But ye I can see a lot of overlap in abilites on these predators, I just think the show runners wanted drama and a gimick so they play it off as "Natural predator" when it's more, this predator is good at eating this species and others like it.
i can totalt see an animal that is fruit like or activly changes gets eaten and kaboom like that angry birds style and then eats comes handy if can trow ur dog like a grenad
but just growing spikes would be more efisient for one piece prey also they probably cant eat waybig or somethi real heavy for their tentacals like mucalator
For Omnivoracious, Y-It (the museum tour gide) said that the Galvans simply got lucky. A meteorite hit Galvan Prime, and the resulting climate change killed off the species, allowing the Galvans to become dominant.
Khyber most likely only had the data of what Ben could currently able to transform into when he started hunting down DNA, so he focus on aliens that would help battle against what Ben already had, cause if you remember in Omniverse when Max showed Ben and Gwen the Hypnotick Max explained how they normally hunt down prey that can become intangible which Ben's first thought was aliens like ectonurites
Not that I disagree with you but it is stated that Crabdozers spend a huge chunk of their lives in orbit of planets like Pyros(And Pyros is definitely not a star no matter who tells what) And use high geothermal activity on the planet to launch themselves to space by literally sitting on volcanoes and waiting for them to explode. They eat Pyronites to keep warm and energized in void of space I think? I might be wrong about that last part.
The planet we see the Crabdozer was probably another inhabited world in the same solar system as Pyros and it is not unfeasible that Crabdozers are found all around in that solar system due to their life cycle. I don't know if this is retconned now or scrapped in reboot though. It was a long time ago I came across this information.
Regardless this would make Crabdozers the apex predator of the entire Solar System Pyros is located at and not just a hyperspecialized predator of Pyronites so your point is still valid.
i was more of a Bakugan guy i can still remember that theme song by heart
Respect!
I agree with these points, I just want to add my own little bit of trivia:
Many of the predators are the real-life predators of Ben’s real aliens
BugLizard prey on StinkFly
Lizards prey on insects
Terrorantula prey on BallWeevil
Spiders prey on beetles
Omnivoratious prey on GreyMatter
Birds prey on frogs
Vicetopus prey on BrainStorm
Octopus prey on crabs
And it might be a stretch but ditto to me seems slightly mouse-ish; small, cute (depends on who you ask), and they’re everywhere
Pununcian prey on ditto
Cats prey on mice
Ironically SlamWorm hunting armodrillo is odd since armadillos eat worms
Oh, that's fascinating! I never thought of it that way!
The idea of the Nemetrix's species being just a collection of tough aliens makes a lot more sense than them being natural predators because here is a lesson in ecology: PREY AREN'T DEFENSELESS! Even with a slew of adaptations to hunt certain kinds of prey, predators fail in more hunts than they succeed because prey have evolved defenses against their predators, so we shouldn't see the one-sided match ups that we see with most of the aliens in the Nemetrix. Probably the closest to the natural prey/predator relationship is the Tyrannopede and Vaxasaurian match up, as while the Tyrannopede is deadly a healthy adult Vaxasaur _can_ defend itself like how most healthy prey species on Earth can do the same.
“Emphasis on most” and you DIDN’T show Diamondhead?!
Crabdozers actually orbit around pyros where they spend most of their lifecycle.They crash into the surface when they want to hunt and after feeding they hitch a ride on solar flares back into said orbit.
And as shown in omniverse they also have fire-supressing saliva.
Crabdozers can also be found in game preserves.
if we also look back to UAF, we see the Root Shark...which suspiciously look like Crabdozer but serpentine
maybe Crabdozers got launched off-world and evolved on Aranhaschimmia
Okay, but imagine Khyber working with Psychobos in order to make some ultimate Nemetrix, with DNA from the best predators for all of Ben's aliens.
I mean we do see Ultimate Panuncians
@@OlliepopVT no no. Not Ultimate Nemetrix, just an ultimate Nemetrix. Weren't not talking like Ultimate Aliens, just some massive compendium of essentially every powerful predator that could be a threat to one of Ben's aliens.
Nanomech isn't a species. He's a being made by the omnitrix after scanning a nanochip and combining it with Ben's DNA
I was telling me friends this exact argument for why crabozzer isn’t heatblast predictor
Didn't Rook Specifically Told Ben To NOT Turn Into A Pyronite Against Crabdozer?
Because Crabdozer is fireproof
@@OlliepopVT Not Exactly
But Because Its Their Predator, And I Quoite
"Wait Ben, Remember That Crabdozer Is The Natural Predator Of A Pyronite, So You Do Not Want To Turn Into Heatblast"
If The Only Reason Was Because "Fireproof" Why Mention Pyronite Out Of All Fire-Aliens?
Classic Ben 10's predator calls him 'kitten'
wasn't NRG's real body like a walking sun
Crazy how Khyber pulled up with absolutely no response to Chamalien and Ben still didn't use him
This really did change my perception of the nemetrix
Wait wait wait. You said Armodrillo? The alien from the Andromida galaxy? So Kaiber went out of his way to get a predator from some remote place but didn't get a predator for some of Ben's most powerful aliens?
Yep lol
The nemetrix aliens may well have been selected specifically to hunt Ben's original 10 aliens but with enough utility to be used elsewhere if necessary. Buglizard is specialised for Stinkfly, Crabdozer for Heatblast, Hypnotick for Ghost Freak, Panuncian vs Wildmutt (can't surprise him with his enhanced senses, so multiply and attack from multiple directions at once), Mucilator for XLR8, Omnivoracious for Grey Matter, Slamworm for Diamondhead (ambush him and try to swallow him whole, then allow the potent acid to dissolve his crystal body), Terroranchula vs Upgrade (the plasma webs are shown to be able to shock targets and I think Galvanic Mechamorphs are vulnerable to electrical attacks), Tyrannopede for Four Arms and Vicetopus for Ripjaws (mostly a guess, as it's the only one that looks aquatic).
But, as well as those specialisations, they're all at least somewhat capable of fighting others of the classic 10 and, as we see in the show, aliens outside of that playlist as well.
Omnivoracious did not die out due to not being an effective predator or evolution, but due to a freak weather/climate change which had nothing to do with its relationship to the Galvan.
The Crabdozer is stated to be the natural predator. That is not really up for debate. One can either say they changed the planet altogether, or that it is just not on their planet. What transpires in the reboot continuity does not need to exactly hold to the original.
Valid arguments, and thank you for correcting me on the Omnivoracious!
U also gotta remember that bens aliens are like the chadiest of the chads of that species. For example bens male 16 year old tetramand or whatever was stronger than a female tetramand who was older and probably more trained and experience. (Females are meant to be stronger) so just because bens humangasaur (probably butchered that name) can beat something up dosent mean an average one will stand a chance
There's a reason why I'm an og Ben 10 fan. It's bc of these controversial topics and theories. It just makes the og franchise even better.
Onto your poll
I personally loved and still love Yu-Gi-Oh.
I'm guessing your favorite one growing up was Bakugan.
I always assumed that when malware brought the incomplete omitrix to psycobos that some of the dna was incomplete or shuffled with some others so they hired Kyber to get DNA for predators the arsenal. Because theoretically kyber started this hunt before Ben put the watch on in Alien Force so most of the predators wouldn’t be specific counters as Ben hasn’t unlocked most of them.
Crabdozer might be the predator of swamp fire. backup: look at the suroundings of wher kyber found it. what do you see? plants. (also yes i know the plants ar red but mby its just fall or smthing)
I dont think ANYTHING is the predator of Xlr8. Hes fastert than ANYTHING else in the series and intelligent naturally... not very bottom of the food chain
Did anyone ever say that the nemetrix predators were hyperspecialized?
A lot of people in the fandom thought so, yeah
They are natural predators. NATURAL, he just picked the best so he can counter attack MULTIPLE ALIENS OF THAT ABILITY
They are directly implied in the show to be the natural predators OF BEN'S ALIENS or at least a good amount of them, not including ones like Alien X, and Clockwork maybe.
Also, every time the show goes in depth about the nature of certain predators, they are ALWAYS portrayed as the primary predators of certain aliens that Ben ends up turning into in the show or aliens that the plot demands for a predator to be used like Omnivoracious for Galvens(primary plot creature for that two parter), Vicetopus for Cerebrocrustaceans(to subdue Psychobos), Tyrannopede for Vaxesaurians(turned into one EVERY TIME for Humongosaur), and panuncians for Ditto's species(directly said to be the natural predator for).
Every alien Ben turns into to fight Khyber's dog and panuncian, and transformation into a predator for the plot, has ALWAYS been for heavily implied and stated directly to be the natural predator for that particular being. AT NO POINT in the show were ANY predator implied to not be the primary predator for a certain alien. I watched the show! I know what is being conveyed!
I can't believe both this video and the comments. Time and time again, the show directly implies every predator that the wearer of the Nemetrix transforms into for a certain scene or episode is the primary natural predator of the alien Ben turns into or any other alien that needs to subdued or done anything else to for the plot. IT ISN'T A COINCIDENCE! Crabdozer
I mean the way predators work ain't "one predator to one species" it's many predators to one species and others"
Personal The crab dozers are probably one of wildvines (i forgot the name of the species) predators because:
The crab dozer have thick shells(?) to counter the bombs of wildvine
The spikes/ horns would counter the vines
And the large bulky-ness to counter the wildvines ambush stuff (it would be a lot harder to ambush a big creature that's like 10x bigger then yourself)
their habit is quite floral which would match wildvines theme
I was a big fan of YuGiOh growing up. Being able to play the card game really helped with that.
As for your favorite... IDK, Pokemon?
Each Alien is still from different planets, and dominants of their owns, so its still very fun to create many OC predators for specific aliens, as it would still make sense for such species of its target from Omnitrix being the main target of their predatory.
The multi-predation is a fun extra for these aliens still. Kinda funny that humans are both prey and predator of every single animal on earth.
7:40
This pred can also upgrade himself, so he's semi untouchable
Like how we saw with stinkfly.
Producing an electric shock.
& if I'm not mistaken, his webs can also absorb some projectile attacks
So the point of this video is that the Nemetrix like the omnitrix has a limited pool of samples to choose from. But still a big one.
And I assume Dr Psychobos who made it was also partially the brains behind these sample choices. So its not just Khyber who planned and created this device.
But I still think it cant be ignored that while predators generally have a wide scope of prey animal species, they do definitely exist and have adaptations to counter said prey's defenses that they coexist with, most of the omnitrix aliens have one and it makes sense cause most of them still live in more hostile worlds than our own.
A vaxasaurian with a spear is pretty much similar to us with one against a tiger its not gonna do much and we can be caught without one or it straight up not being enough.
A tyrannosaurus bite is strong enough to puncture the armor of ankylosaurus and triceratops, they have some means to fight back and counter its own adaptations but as is the predator has tools to threaten the prey.
And then as to predators being effective against aliens that its never naturally met we do have a thing called invasive species, it makes sense that because no predator can live comfortably being an absolute specialist that said predatory animals can match well against other prey animals like a dingo brought by humans and a kangaroo who are isolated in australia.
I feel like the Nemetrix still makes a lot of sense to me it just has more to it in usage than simply being a reactive counter to the omnitrix.
Fan of digimon here, also the fusion concept is rad, but just like the ultimate concept defeats the purpose of "walking a mile" in another creatures "shoes" I am a fan of the skurd concept alot, becuase it honestly shows how species could work together in harmony
I’m sorry but thyrannopedes is practically indestructible
They're certainly durable, but I'm sure Way Big could easily mush one into paste
5:35 that’s exactly what happened. An Ice Age caused Omnivoracious to go extinct and Kyber got the DNA from fossil in a Galvan museum. Had it been a while since you’ve seen the show?
A little bit since I watched that particular episode, yes!
I have always disliked the "fact" that all of Ben's aliens have a perfect predator for them because if you imagine food web on the top of it would upchuck's species because they literally eat their own planet
P.s alien-x's species is nowhere on the food web because they are god like
Exactly! Most people ask what Alien X's predator is when, chances are? It just doesn't have one
Not all of Ben aliens have predators
Like you said upchuck
He is the apex on his planet
@@OlliepopVT I think it's flat out stated that Upchuck doesn't have a predator too (which is part of the reason the Nemetrix had an ultimate function added onto it. So it wouldn't be limited to natural predators or something according to Khyber). Either way ultimate form or not idk what's going to be able to consistently prey on Alien X except another Alien X or some being that is far beyond the 3rd dimension that I have no idea how Khyber could ever get his hands on it. Because we do know for a fact that there are apparently aliens stronger than Alien X but I don't know how Khyber would get his hands on the dna sample of something more powerful than Alien X and giving him one would absolutely break the story in several places.
My dude the whole point is that not all do, but the ones that do its like us being matched up against a friggin tiger its still highly effective and most are available for cataloguing to be used in the Nemetrix
@@douglysium9770 alien x has been stated to be beyond 27D entities
And there only 2 known ways to kill Him
He doesn’t have a predator but considering how most people don’t seem to believe of Alien X existence they didn’t bother with it
I like Pokemon growing up but I can assume you like Yugioh based on Cimo appearing
Where's Inktank
Also Khyber collected Psycholeopterran, Vicetopus, Slampede and Tyrranopede - "predators" of aliens that ben also didn't had unlocked when he was 11
Kyber choose to stand by and watch Ben fight. But after that I agree.
Yeah tbf I do have to agree there. He does literally stand by to watch and see if Ben is worth his time
Thank you for correcting me!
Kiri when seeing every predator: "Sir, If You Have a Complaint I Suggest You Submit It Through Our Celestialsapien retcon System."
Kiri when seeing Crabdozer: "You are done. Fired. Do not show your face in the Nemetrix again. Stay away from Zed. Do not go near her. Ever. Are you listening to me?"
TRUUUU
ive always looked at the nemetrix as a swish army version of the omnitrix fewer options but alot of versatility in what its used for. kyhber chose specific species that i suspect are the top non sentient predators in the universe that way he could be prepared an strategize easier for his hunt on ben. versatility in top options is better then unlimited dna to dabble with.
The Omnitrix was better before everyone else got their own knock-off version.
Hold the phone. What is Heatblast predator?
Certainly the Crabdozer! But like I wanted to get across with this video, the Crabdozer isn't the NATURAL predator, just a species that COINCIDENTALLY is a predator of Pyronites
@@OlliepopVT Ok so what I get from this theory is all of the nemetrix alien are generalist predator that have a prey they are known to prey on. Like in America, grizzly bear are known salmon fishermen but they also hunt caribou, reindeer, and many more
@@KhanhNguyen-mh5ec Exactly!
12:06 - An aquatic predator of a primarily land-based species, that uh, raises more questions than it answers methinks.
I mean, stonefish kill humans all the time
Aquatic species can kill land-based ones, no problem
Same goes for hippos, and so on
@@OlliepopVT I mean fair, just as like, the primary predator? The Aburian Pelorotas really don’t seem like they are built to go anywhere near the deep ocean, but whatever. Maybe it’s an amphibious predator that rides tsunamis deep inland due the tidal conditions on the planet being bizarre and that’s why the A.P. Evolved to be so Roll-with-the-punches or whatever.
I suggest you start running cuz like the entire Ben 10 fandom is 10,000 meters from your location and approaching rapidly
Not trying have this be like a threat or anything
I've already had a few comments along that vein lmfao
Better fix up my home security lol
@@OlliepopVT have fun
Also I don’t think that kiber would have even tried to go for the predator of Diamond head cuz that spices is most likely extinct
@@Thechannelthatexistsforcontent Great point! If he wanted their predator, he would have gone for Tetrax lmfao
@@OlliepopVT LOL
Kaiber is basically that one random npc in Pokemon that thought catching strong looking Pokemon would instantly give him a win in every match
I thought there was like 1.3 million different species in the Omnitrixs. Didn’t asthma mention that or something idk i forgot it’s been years since I watched the show
This is something I would see in Monster Hunter
Something else on this is that realistically a lot of bens aliens don't have predators like humans don't really have a predator since most of the aliens are probably the "human equivalent" on their home world and a lot of aliens feel like they would be predators like wildmutt wildvine and we even know Whampire is a predator species so I do feel the Nematrix is just the strongest ones they could get since kaiber could mess with the Omnitrix to give ben the worst outcomes against the predators
Also I straight up did not remember that Brainstrom had a predator when the heck did that happen
Brainstorm's predator is so irrelevant istg lol
@@OlliepopVTit was that giant octopus wasnt it?
Vicetopus. I think that was the name
Oh there we go you covered it.
It was when Azmuth made a whistle to be able to command Zed, he told it to turn into a vicetopus, a cerebral crustations natural predator, which then attacked psychobos
I like the Tyrannopede is basically Ben 10’s version of the Ultimasaurus from the canceled Jurassic Park: Chaos Effect toyline