An Analysis on Ben 10 vs Green Lantern [DEATH BATTLE]
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- Опубліковано 28 лип 2024
- The battle was fought. A victor was chosen. But was this really the one-win scenario? Kuro breaks down the Death Battle between Wielder of the Omnitrix, Ben Tennyson, and the most Popular Green Lantern, Hal Jordan.
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0:00 - Introduction
1:51 - What I Liked
3:52 - What I'd Fix
11:40 - Responding to Comments
DISCLAIMER: As with the nature of these videos, I present my information in an exaggerated and sarcastic guise for entertainment. No Debunk video ever matches the effort put into the originals. Ben 10 being present in Death Battle to begin with is a major milestone for the Fandom.
Shout out to @Lopresti101 on Twitter for inspiring the first clip of the video.
Ben 10 was created by Man of Action and is owned by Cartoon Network. All Clips presented are for commentary purposes only. Green Lantern is owned by DC Comics.
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A frequent point I see users making is that Death Battle's animations are more-or-less irrelevant to the actual stakes of the battle. My argument is that the animation depicts actions and feats that do not accurately represent the character, and Death Battle themselves use these situations to justify their argument. They also did not utilize variables they had brought up themselves, such as Hal's limited ring charge, and Ben's Omnitrix being able to react on its own. To say the battle shouldn't be taken seriously when analyzing the episode is to say that none of the interactions in the battle have any sway in how Death Battle decides the winner, which is not the case.
I still have a question for you although it might be a silly one . Who do you think is the strongest superhero you know ? I don't mind if you don't respond just know that you brought me back memories of Ben and made me understand a lot more about him . Keep up the amazing work. Peace
I would honestly send this to them. Great information and facts man
They do podcasts, u know, try and see if u can persuade them in to seeing there mistakes.
Show this to deathbattle
Fell like this will get lost but make your own fight you know animate Ben 10 vs Green lantern
This is how many ppl think Ben 10 was going to win
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*know he should've
Yes he should've and subscribe to my channel like and commit on my video plz guys thank you
@Carlos Quintanillaorantes can you sub to me
Wow twelve people
Edit: the fuck the like count changed on me
God I hate like whores...
Simplest win:
Ben turns into Nanomech, Goes through Green Lanterns ass and then turns into Waybig.
@@themetallicblur1315 it was a Thanos Ant-Man reference
Masterfan
One that completely doesn’t work.
@@themetallicblur1315 it's a joke bro
@@themetallicblur1315
Butthurt?
Sage Blast
Ha! Don’t make me laugh.
The fact that the Omnitrix reacted to protect Ben from dying in a place where time doesn't exist is mind blowing but beyond some people's feeble comprehension.
Time equals= matter
While they exist there, time does take effect on them but when they leave
It will be back to when they first entered the timeless place
@@TheSadMusician Cool.
That's not really impressive at all considering normal humans like Ben could move in that stopped time
@@Vindication1134 cap
Time not existing doesn't make the feat any more impressive considering Ben in human form was able to move around in it just fine
For some reason when a Marvel or DC Character is being discussed like this it's like they become some immortal being that can bypass the workings of all powerful Gods.
In all honesty the biggest problem I have with death battle is they put a regular Ben 10 versus almost all the versions of Hal (Is that how you say his name?)
It's because DC fans keep applying their universe's rules to Ben's universe
Like I legit saw some people said X can not prevent Hal from time travel or create/destroy universes because it's said somewhere in a DC book that no one can do that even though X literally can and did
@@tenderandmoist5011 mfs be saying he faster then the speed force 😭
@@tenderandmoist5011yeah DC fans are g@y...they will say Superman will defeat everyone his super strength & speed & somehow he will lose to Batman because He Is Batman😂😂😂
FACTS
death battle: "celestial sapiens have been defeated before"
YES, BY ANOTHER CELESTIAL SAPIEN
He did it when mandrakk was weakened by superman using miracle machine
@@Thebigaye799 Still, considering Mandrakk's outerversal existence would otherwise mean that the Ring can harm outerverse-level beings.
Roktoof Well Alain X is 27th dimensional so I still give alian x the advantage
@@jessieoleary3734 Really? You have any proof?
Roktoof Yes so you see in Ben 10 there are many retcons and plot holes in the multiple seasons but there is an in cannon explanation for that celestial sapiens. There’s many art style changes and voice actor changes in the show and it’s confirmed by the creators that alian x did all of that he changed the cotinewity of the show he was in and by logic he is 27 dimensional. He is an author level character.
"Batman took off GL's ring."
Screwattack: but that was an inexperienced hal.
"Vilgax took off 10 year old ben's omnitrix"
Screwattack: Brilliant! We'll use that as evidence!
But the Omnitrix works differently than the ring
Bro he was just making a joke
@@justasentientmclarenp1879 yea it works differently. you are correct the omnitrix is better then the ring in terms of defense. so their no reason as to why ben couldn't of just transformed into upgrade and go into the ring and control it.
@@ben69028 but Dr Manhattan had a hard time trying to understand the ring and gave up when he couldnt understand the makeup of the ring or control it if He had a hard time trying to affect it then Upgrade doesnt really have a chance at comtrolling it either
@@justasentientmclarenp1879 Galvanic mechorphs can merge and control all types of tech no matter what kind
LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING, RATH IS MAD THAT RATH WASN'T IN THE FIGHT AND THAT PUNY RING MAN WON! RATH WOULD HAVE DESTROYED HIM!
Hi u r my fav
No he wouldn't have. Rath is completely fodder to Hal Jordan in every aspect. Tell me how a character who isn't even Country level beats someone who casually tanks Multiversal erasure?
@@analternatemultiverse2063 Dude, it's a joke
@@Caelus32 Sure it is. It's so easy to go behind "i WaS joKinG" whenever someone calls you out. Cry me a river.
@@analternatemultiverse2063 Take about an overreaction. It was a joke. I know perfectly well Rath would not be able to stop him. Stop being an ass
I'd say the biggest issue with fights like this is they pin a character with a mostly linear path of progression with characters with severely ranging feats from dozens, if not hundreds of comic books.
I do agree as well. And as you said a lot of the death battles usually have a character with a short amount of media vs one with a large amount, or one with a liner story vs one with a complex story. And sometimes if a character doesn't have many main feats they start to use some non cannon ones to make up for it.
A few examples would be like: John wick vs James bond, jotoro vs kenshiro, and master chief vs doom guy.
Thats why i dont like comics now, they just got crazy, like in a fight they used Superman 1000000, why? Thats literally just a version
“They don’t have the creativity...not creativity but-“
No, no. You were right the first time
They don't have focus,versatility and creativity.
And on top of that they are VERY bias and makes amalgamation of characters to give unfair advantage.
The Mario vs Sonic battle is soooooo bad,this battle is the reason why i don't watch Death Battle more.
@@laughingarrancar6859 you would probably hate the next one
And they match up battles only if the characters are similar. But they fail to understand that similar in appearance/personalities doesnt mean same tier like Goku vs Sonic
@@laughingarrancar6859 Mario vs Sonic, Rogue vs Wonde Woman, Doctor Strange vs Doctro Fate, Ryu vs Scorpion and Gaara vs Toph are prime examples of their bias and incompetence, im surprised there are people who take that show seriously after they pulled the "Superman is as strong as he needs to be" ignoring the fact that he is nowhere near the strongest hero in DC, nor character.
>bias
Lol
“Alien X can’t resist time-control” *literally controls time in his first appearance*
To everyone out there Ben 10 defeats Green Lantern EASILY. Nothing you will say change my mind because its facts people. Ben 10 is simply too powerful for Hal to defeat
phantom falcon Yeah, but it doesn’t mean anything since Alien X will wreck him
phantom falcon Oh yeah? Hal is going against someone who can literally do anything he wants. Alien X doesn’t even need to fight him, Ben can simply erase his ring from existence and kill him with ease
phantom falcon You’re right he is not Omnipotent, but he is something damm near close. Hal is not stronger nor faster, but even if he is, which he isn’t, it doesn’t matter because Ben can simply erase Hal from existence.
@@phantomfalcon8104 Alien X has been shown to be at least 5D. He was born outside of the Universe, and isn't affected by universe creating antics of other 5D beings. Hal has some impressive power feats, but nothing that puts hime anywhere near the durability of Alien X. The second Ben transformed into Alien X, the fight should have been over. It's also worth noting that Hal didn't beat Ben. He travelled back to before the fight started and killed an unprepared Ben. Not only is this a complete cop-out (Alien X could do the exact same thing), it goes to show that even Death Battle couldn't think of a way to beat Alien X. The Ben that was fighting Hal the entire time would just be standing there, wondering what happened. He never lost
@@phantomfalcon8104 I don't seem to recall that happening, so could you please provide a screenshot for Mandrakk's defeat?
DB: Omnitrix can react faster than a Bigbang to avoid death
Also DB: Can't react fast enough to avoid scissors
Because you can die from the Big Bang but not from your arm getting cut off
@@ugochukwunyere3196 okay this is gonna sound crazy... But there's an episode of Ben 10 where the Omnitrix and Ben's hand was separated, and the Omnitrix took control of Ben's hand to reattach itself.
If the Omnitrix AI is fast enough to react in a place where time doesn't exist, it could theoretically make Ben's hand come back to life, reattach itself and transform Ben into Alien X or a faster alien to avoid the oncoming hit
You guys focus way too much on the actual animation, death battle should have had hal go back time and kill ben before he got the omnitrix
@@raiford5082 ok that wouldn’t work, Hal wouldn’t know where it’s from
@@raiford5082 Alien X exists outside of time tho. Killing him before he got the Omnitrix would not affect the current Alien X.
Alien X and the rest of his kind are also protected from alternating timelines and even timeline destruction, not only would he be able to time travel as well to prevent Hal from winning there (which he should not have) but Alien X could also have been able to prevent from being erased.
Hal has damage gods far stronger then alien x, from universal gods to hyperverseal God's alien x would die and Hal has a god from so they left that out too
@@MissAshley101 Alien X quite literally cant be affected by anything thats apart of a regular universe... They are multiversal and do not come from the regular universe they are born and live in the forge of creation... the only creature powerful enough to destroy a celestialsapien is a celestialsapien they are nigh omnipotent and hal would never be...
@@TimeMasterOG he's bound the force of magic and godlike powes also the Multiverse feat was debunked they are universe + or low complex Multiverse, alien x isn't omnipotent
Hal Jordan can be hyperversal with his God of light ring making boundless for a limited amount if time he's even helped take down mandrakk and omni evil god who threatened all of fiction with he's mere presence
@@MissAshley101 as i said... alien x cant be affected by anything part of the regular universe
@@TimeMasterOG god of light hal is boundless he won't be part of the universe
"alien x cant resist time-control", his main ability is time-control
It was his first ability used too.
And he even has a whole nother alien dedicated to time control also
@Optimus Prime Yeah but that's one of the "takes a lot of effort" abilities he has, where for alien x it's like his main thing
Optimus Prime 👌👌👌
@Optimus Prime There were a ton of other issues with the death battle tho
Some guy said green lantern ring is beyond speed
I guess Batman must be a god because he took the ring off of green lantern without him knowing
in ScrewAttack's Q&A for this episode, they mention that Batman removing Hal's ring should be neglected as a possibility because that was an inexperienced Green Lantern.... but then they used the original series Ben for the battle and use an example of Ben having the omnitrix removed in the first season of the original series by Vilgax where Ben's at the most inexperienced point in his life. so if ScrewAttack and that commenter you're referring to neglect inexperienced Hal, then all of Ben's inexperienced moments have to be neglected too.
red green yeah they are using inexperience Ben against experience green lantern
@@bentennyson2615 exactly lol. it'd be like if during their fight between Deadpool & Deathstroke, they used the version of Deadpool that was just a man suffering from cancer. like yeah, Deathstroke would win but... why would you misrepresent Deadpool like that.
red green yeah they might as well do that
@@rojagreen
Or if they used Captain America when he just had a steel heater shield instead of the vibranium one
People seem to forget that.
The Omnitrix reacted to something in a place where time doesn't exist.
this means the omnitrix has infinite reaction speed. and alien x has higher speeds, so you could argue that the omnitrix could be omnipresent.
@@neptune3114 Yep, we can assume it cuz it's been shown that the Omnitrix's AI is very advanced and it wouldn't let Ben die.
@@Osama_Rashid literally, the omnitrix is by design as strong as it needs to be to support it's alien forms. which is really powerful of course.
@@neptune3114 Indeed you're right.
@@neptune3114 People argue that the Green Latern League is well beyond that.
Anyone saying “Hal survived a universe level threat” Ben survived a multi-versal threat casually and reversed the damage in real time, and that wasn’t even Alien X
Hal is beyond that feat he survived a attack that ended all life time and space
@@MissAshley101
So did Alien X
And Feedback
And Clockwork (kinda)
@@Jayquinator-X that was only a universe hal survived the death of life itself same with superman
@@MissAshley101 All Life died in that universe.
No watch Ben’s Clockwork saved the lives of Infinite other Ben
@@Jayquinator-X you have no Idea what I'm talking about alien x and Ben would lose again
I assumed that DB was only sticking to Ben's original 10 aliens in order to make the fight fair. But the fact that they had him pull out Alien X and lose is beyond stupid.
I completly agree if they did that at least I could see Hall winning.
I think they purposely manipulate things to make who they want win. Like he said they never used Diamondhead, Feedback, or XLR8. Alien X should've just poofed his ass the second he showed uo
the entire battle was stupid. They did no research on ben 10 and stayed to focused on green lanturn.
@@DrakeKnight99 I know Green Lantern is powerful, I've read some of his comics. But Ben with Alien X and master control should have easily won
Yoour telling me, that Ben lost because Hal, cut his arm with some stupid scisors? ARE YOU KIDDING ME!?
Ben 10: *literally has A thousand ways to kill hal*
Death battle: Hm what was that...
Nah, ben has exactly 1,000,912 ways to win
@@johnbailey5835 Green Lantern would win in 0
@@mibroelcacas no he wouldn't
@@mibroelcacas hed win in -3. Alien x would defeat him in all the timelines, reverse three of the timelines and then kill him again in those timelines.
@@evolveaxsym9422 Uhm... Bro, that's what im saying, GL would win in *"0"* , 0 means in no timeline GL can win, so you misread there
My biggest problem (as it is with many DC battles) is they took feats and abilities from multiple versions of a character despite them having different abilities. Yes silver age Hal could time travel and have a bunch of other abilities, his constructs were never shown to be as powerful as the modern incarnation.
Yeah i mean compositing post and pre crisis is fine since the are the same Version just new adventures but any other Version nope.
@@BLACK_KNIGHT_PRODUCTIONS they showed young ben so does that reasoning also mean Ben can only use 10-year-old transformations, he also notable never really has control of alien x for most of the series so then again that would be the case in the fight
@@samuel-uq5tx actually a celestial sapien has 2 extra personalities besides the one dominant on the body and ben actually just sends them away by telling them to go debate elsewhere and give him the keys making him fully able to control the alien x form.
@@Soulfin that was once, and in omniverse not the entire show
@@samuel-uq5txBen was shown to have full control over alien x on multiple different occasions after sending the two personalities away.
A speed feat I recently realized is that Alien X being able to create the universe means he was able to create the distance of the entire universe in about a second that is incredibly fast since his power had to travel the length of the universe in both directions.
I mean even before that alien X could just send him a trillion years in the past or into the future. Time moves how alien x wants it to move I would also assume distance does as well
plus he only did that with 3 of his cells or particles whatever, point is that means his true power is unknown, alien x is literally the doctor fate of cartoons.
@@freestyle3948And it’s confirmed that he has an Ultimate form.
@@cronostrife431 where?
@@freestyle3948 Never shown. But the creator did acknowledge the idea of it existing once, and said that it being weaker than the original would "be dumb". So if it were to theoretically happen, it'd be even stronger (somehow).
Also, one older version of Ben had a "fusion" ability that combined aliens together. One fusion was combining an living nuclear reactor alien (basically absolute control over nuclear energy) and Alien X. This new form completely bypasses the multiple personalities, giving him full control over Alien X's powers although slightly weaker. Lots of little bits here and there.
Ya know, Ben always keeps a copy of himself as Echo Echo in his trunk. So even if he managed to lose somehow, he'd still be able to come back and try again.
I can't imagine how the clone must feel being stuck inside a car trunk.
@@danokoji3567 no that was a joke
@@kylethefan6062 Is not a joke, he said that after Ultimate Kevin killed all his other clones before he turns into Ultimate Echo Echo
@@danokoji3567 Ben 10 ultimate, part 1 or part 2 of absolute power
@@kylethefan6062 my dude it's not a joke we see Ben do that during either part 1 or part 2 of absolute power
The thing that REALLY made me mad about the ending of that Death battle is something that wasn't even mentioned despite it being a literal quote from the shows creators "Time is whatever Alien X wants it be" meaning Ben could literally say that the past no longer exists and LOCK Green lantern from time traveling
newquinken I like how there’s no comments challenging this one like the others, I think I know why, your right
It would be a hilarious bit of cruelty in a fight for ben, ever cocky to just wait out everything Hal can do to prove a point that alien x is omnipotent multiverse erasing/creating power that it is. While Jordan thinks bens mocking him with not even bothering to move, ben is there arguing for the guy to be taken down with the other parts of Alien X's control.
@@SoRa-re1yd no u
Wow never thought of tha5
I’m not hating but On them but the omnitrix doesn’t let Ben die it could have repaired been but maybe he can only do it with the ultimatrix but they used the weaker Ben to make green lantern win imagine if it was Ben from omniverse
The problem of death battles using marvel/dc characters is that they’re such long running series. Back then it was all about saving the city but they needed to make the stakes higher each time that at one point they can’t make it higher. What do they do next? Reset the universe or retcon everything. Like one chapter superman could be beating up the writers because he’s “beyond the script” and next chapter he’d be getting beaten up by street thugs using an M9.
Lol they would 100% make the Batman Who Laughs kidnap and torture the writers because he's "beyond the script"
Yeah imo the Marvel/DC battles get boring to me unless against each other directly, just cause most if not all of their characters are OP or have a version of them that is, like that's their whole thing lol. Even Batman whose whole thing is just being human and overcoming that, with the fact he has contingencies for everything and is an immaculate tactician, has at least like 5-6 forms where he's just a diety 😂
That was like from the Silver Age
I never see Superman got hurt by a firearm weapon unless that weapon contains kryptonite bullets
@@tranvietanh1851 I believe it's just an example of how inconsistent dc power levels can be cause of retcons
Let's not even mention the large amount of times the green lantern rings were just taken off or the arm/finger was cut off. Like in the injustice run
Thank you for going over the death battle, this was extremely cathartic
A year later and I just realized Alien X’s time reversal puts Hal right before he recharges. That means Hal time traveled, cut off Ben’s arm, and stomped on him all on a decharged ring. I swear this battle just gets worse the more I think about it.
And here I was thinking the battle couldn't be any more inaccurate.
And this is why it’s bs
I know I'm super late, but god damn, that is DUMB.
@@lucasheinrich9377 yea it’s rlly dumb
If you even think about it for one second.... And research alien x you know he would just stomp out bloody hal in the snap of a finger... the dude can rebuild universes, control time among other things (i havent watched the show in a while) i doubt he could ever be affected by a measly mortal
Death Battle: "Ben lost because of this and that."
The Ink Tank: *"I'M ABOUT TO RUIN THIS MAN'S WHOLE CAREER!"*
XD
LMAO
Real funny.
Death battle: We have two teams of 12 people work for two weeks or more to sort this out, if we did not show anything its because we cant show everything we found in a 15 min video.
Every other youtubeer: BUT YOU FORGOT ABOUT *Put thing here* !!
@@BlueBerrianGaming 400th like
There’s another thing overlooked too
Green Lantern rings are powered by will power and the pure opposite that nullifies will is Fear
Had Ben turned into Ghost Freak or Toe-Pick or even pesky dusk then he would’ve effectively broken Hal’s will power and nullified his ring
Ah yes, Hal has gotten over being possessed by the literal embodiment of fear itself, yet he will become helpless to a scary looking thing. Oh no. Such fear.
@@justinalicea1590this person is appearing in every single comment
None of those are anything compared to Parallax. Wouldn't even phase Hal.
@@justinalicea1590Im sorry how old are you madem?
5:51: *I could listen to that all day.*
Agreed
"The omnitrix has a failsafe that woudnt let me die"
Woudnt let me die
Woudnt let me die
Woudnt let me die
*dies*
Im sorry but what? lol
@Ignatius David Partogi cuz I don't
It’s not like that’s a complete No Limits Fallacy.
@@stalememes6162 i agree.
But scissors?
S C I S S O R S?
Hahahah. He died haha. Fucking I thought he was strong. Not even that close. Hal destroyed him haha.
LAYMAN TERM ok?
Everyone else: *argues about the extent of Ben's powerset*
Me: "they turned ben, a literal ten year old child, into a bloody murderer, and then killed aformentioned ten year old child"
Yeeaaah... but, that's kinda Death Battle's thing. In DB even pacifist would have killed their opponent.
Here's the thing: it doesn't actually matter what the characters morals are. It's called DEATH battle! And so it doesn't matter if the character doesn't kill or not. They could take dora (who never kills) and have her kill someone because it's a webseries about who would win in a fight to the death.
@@keelanbarron928 *Batman would like to have a Word with you*
@@uncleshrek3614 ...and? Batman has killed before in death battle. (Hell, he has killed before in other media as well! Batman 1989 anyone?)
Yeah that was, really uncomfortable to see
For those saying ben prime was dead when the sotobro effect was mentioned keep in mind no watch Ben did state that he was capable of sensing the sotobro effect instantly after turning into clockwork so Ben prime should be able to sense the sotobro effect too as either clockwork or alien x even though Ben prime has never heard of the sotobro effect either serena and belecus should be able to know what the sotobro effect is sense they exist out of the ordinary flow of time and Ben himself has time travels more than once in his life so he knows about time traveling
You just contradicted yourself.
*"No Watch Ben sensed the Sotobro Effect after turning into Clockwork."*
So was Ben Prime turned into Clockwork at the time? No? Then he couldn't sense the Sotobro Effect. Not even as Alien X. Remember, Ben gained control of Alien X by cutting out Belacus and Serena. As a result, he lost their knowledge, experience, imagination and even their portions of power. Remember in the episode Universe Vs Tennyson?
*"A little help here?"*
Ben has NEVER time traveled on his own. Alien X might reverse time a bit, but he needs the full agreement of all three. Good luck doing that Ben. Serena even stated as such.
*"Alien X can do MANY things. We just need to ALL agree."*
So Ben couldn't even re-make the universe without Belacus and Serena's help.
Ben lost. Accept it.
@@AnimeaddictionBen loses access to their knowledge and experiences, sure, but Ben is incredibly imaginative in his own right, which is displayed literally right after he asks for help (which is not indicative of power requests, mind you, but of suggestions for ideas on how to confront another member of their species) when he within seconds realizes that the ultimate weakness of a Celestialsapien is having to process situations to act upon them.
At no point is it said that he needs all 3 to agree to have full power over Alien X, and you're just pulling the time travel bit out of nowhere. In the episode after Ben is given full control over Alien X, he's shown to immediately be able to act fluidly and without deliberation, showing he has total control as long as Serena and Bellicus don't revoke their permission to him (which they won't if it actually comes down to fighting a potential threat to their existence). Alien X himself exists outside of time and space despite being able to act upon it, shown by his actions occurring within the universe proper. Nevertheless he outright is able to move in a timeless void later on, showing that he has infinite speed and movement capabilities.
That line you picked for your last point is *before* Ben convinces the personalities to transfer control of Alien X to him when he's using the form. Ben worked with them to recreate everything because at that point he'd not secured their passive acceptance of his actions yet. No power comes from Serana or Bellicus in of themselves, or else Aggreggor would have nothing to gain from absorbing an infant Celestialsapien.
If Ben loses because of a for-entertainment show determining off of cherrypicked data and feats that determines that Hal can defeat gods and Ben is just a kid with a dumb watch, then anyone can write a story where Hal loses and it'll be equally if not more valid depending on the information they use.
@alpacalover0 If Ben could use Alien X to travel through time, don't you think he would have used him by now? Don't confuse time travel with time reversal. Time reversal only allows Alien X to pull back to a certain point. Furthermore, the only time he ever did that was in its first appearance, and even then, he needed agreement.
"Water stopping motion, seconded. Water stopping motion carried."
The only things Ben did with Alien X were no different than what he did with his other aliens. Gravity and telekinesis? Gravattack. Duplication? Ditto. Black hole? Again, Gravattack. You look me in the eye and convince me that Ben had the imagination to re-create the universe.
Alien X does not exist outside of time and space. The Forge of Creation and all universes exist in the black space. Time still functioned there. If it didn't, then Prof. Paradox wouldn't be able to function. When the Annihilarrg destroyed the universe, there was nothing but a black void. Time still existed. So why didn't Alien X just rewind time back to before the destruction. Answer, HE couldn't. Belacus even stated it was TOO LATE.
I'm not assuming anything. You are.
@@Animeaddiction Time reversal isn't bound by consensus any more than movement or any other action Alien X takes is. He needs their permission to even de-transform initially, and once he's given control over the form, he's seen to do that and anything else he desires with relative ease. It's always a matter of permission, and we see that he retains their permission to act when in a later episode he uses Alien X freely and can move fluidly without the need to deliberate. If he has the power, that's it, he can do anything he can conceptualize. Also, when is Time Travel stated to be impossible for Alien X? We see devices like the Time Cycles used to travel both throughout time and *outside* of time, as they're able to travel to before the Universe is made (if the logic you used for black space representing the existence of time is correct, then this white void naturally would imply a lack of time, yet things are still able to happen there). Even Chronosapiens can travel throughout time and reverse its effects. Are you going to tell me that a reality warper can only ever do what they're shown explicitly to do on screen? What would be the specifics of this, would he not even be able to use attacks in a different context than he was shown doing it by this logic? Ben is shown to never engage in actions that are needless or overboard and instead to operate within the bounds of what matches the situation. This is why he doesn't just go Way Big all the time and smoosh anyone he fights.
Yes, most of his actions as Alien X have been done before by other aliens. Perhaps this is a failing of creativity either on Ben or the writers' part, or this is simply because Ben has far too many aliens and has used too many powers over the series for something to have gone undone prior. Alien X fights like a reality warper would, shifting and altering things at will rapidly in order to guarantee his enemies are thrown off balance. Ben not doing some fancy new trick (although arguably creating a vortex that sucks in the Gladiator is somewhat original even if it involves Gravity Manipulation and resembles making a black hole (something he did in a *later* episode as Gravattack, mind you)) doesn't mean he can't do it, just that he didn't want or need to.
Recreating the universe would be, like you said, time reversal. Time reversal is something he can do in a selective area or overall. If a natural, peak Chronosapien can un-erase INFINITE universes, then there's no reason a Celestialsapien, who's said time and time again by extremely intelligent and knowledgeable beings like Professor Paradox, Azmuth, and even Serena to be functionally omnipotent (the first using the term omnipotent to describe Aggregor if he acquires a Celestialsapien without personalities, the second claimed they could do anything, and the third implied consensus was all that was needed to do effectively anything (although logic violation seems to be an exception I'll get into shortly)) would be unable to do the same. The erasure of Infinite-1 universes by the Chronosapien Time Bomb was able to be reversed as a temporal event, but Alien X couldn't reverse the Annihilargh erasing everything because there was simply no time left to work with. Are you suggesting the "most powerful being in the universe" (-Serana) who "can do anything" (-Azmuth) and is "omnipotent" (-Professor Paradox)...can't roll back a temporal event? When Ben asks if they can do anything, Bellicus and Serana say that the universe no longer exists, which is the reason for their inability to merely go back a few seconds. There are no seconds to go back, while the Chronosapien Time Bomb was fired within an existent timeline which still had functioning linear time and could be reverted from within the universe itself. Just because Ben lacked Serana and Bellicus' shared knowledge of the state of the universe at the time doesn't mean he couldn't remake it if a motion passed to imbue him with the knowledge for it. I don't have it on me currently, but in the Alien X video the Ink Tank did there is a segment with author statements I believe was in the Man of Action part where it was stated that omniscience isn't allowed to Celestialsapiens due to the regulations they set for one another and themselves, so this failing to perceive everything on Ben's part is merely due to Bellicus and Serana having to do it for him (before he actually gets their permission to operate on his own) and opting to make a few adjustments to spite his lack of usage of Alien X.
@@alpacalover0 Again, by cutting off Belacus and Serena, Ben no longer has their imagination or knowledge. What is the Power Ring based on? IMAGINATION AND KNOWLEDGE. Hal has been pro-trained. Ben hasn't.
Even though I've never watched it, I knew from the title Ben would've win. While Hal is proficient with the ring's power, Ben had years of experience of each of his aliens and the Omnitrix. Even though Hal can go back in time, Clockwork and Alien X can do the same thing, especially since Clockwork once reversed a cosmic level destruction. While Hal can make anything, Ben's faster at transforming once the Master Control is active. Ben has over a million different ways to counter and overpower Hal. But no, we got Hal winning.
Death Battle didn’t go deep into the Ben 10 lore and power scale all aliens. They severely underestimated Alien X and his Nigh Omnipotent power scale and lowballed him to Universal + but in reality he’s actually at Complex Multiversal level. They made him 10 years old and held the Omnitrix he no longer used and simply misunderstood the failsafe. If they look back at the Ben 10 series finale with the Contemelila episode they’ve shown that with the Offical Omnitrix, Ben can’t die at all. Hal and his corps only killed Hyperversal being because Cosmic Armor Superman and the Miracle Machine had helped by severely weakened him. So technically Hal is nowhere near Nigh Omnipotent and Nigh Omniscient like Celestialsapiens. Once Ben transforms into Alien X it’s all over and not even a contest. Ben would simply exceed Hal in every single way.
Ben has never gone back in time with his aliens.
Clockwork removed the Sotobro Effect of the Chronosapien Time Bomb, he literally states this.
The Big Bang is slower than Alien X, who is slower than Green Lantern.
Hal is the one who is countering Ben a million different ways, from overpowering, outspeeding, outlasting and having far more abilities at his disposal at once.
@@calvinkopp1735And yet Alien X can't even affect universal destruction. Interesting that you completely ignore that.
"Ben can only use 1 alien at a time"
Yeah echo echo dont exists...
Master Control exists too and unless you somehow want to/use all your abilities at once it's fine to just swap to the right alien
You mean Ben can split his psyche and be uncooperative with himself against a vastly stronger enemy? Great idea!
@@themetallicblur1315 vastly stronger? Dude did you watch Ben 10?
Voicless Guy
Yeah. That’s why I said Hal’s vastly stronger.
@@themetallicblur1315 Ben is a literal GOD in Alien X form. X wouldn't even fight like this. He wouldn't throw punches or kick someone.
DB: *hands the win to Hal Jordan*
Everyone: "LEMME TELL YA SOMETHIN' WIZ AND BOOMSTICK!"
Ben and Chad actually didnt know
ben: °turns into wrath° °insert innapropriate slurs°
@@dreamergamer9291 Let Me tell you something Boomstick and Wiz you guys should do better research because you guys are bad at your job
@@jakew6162 It's not Ben and Chad(Who voice Wiz and Boomstick) that do the research. They're just given the scripts and told to read. After the DB aired, both Ben and Chad even said they expected Ben to win and were completely thrown off when they found out it was Hal who won
Seriously
It's funny but the one thing that always bugged me about this video wasn't the fight itself but the reason behind it. Green Lanterns are peacekeepers across the galaxy, true, but ultimately they're a private police force run by the Guardians. Meanwhile, Ben is actually an officer in the Plumbers and, if I remember right, a surprisingly high ranking one at least for Earth and the Plumbers do have legal standing on Earth while the Green Lanterns legal standing on Earth is variable at best. Therefore, a non-legitimate LEO attacked an actual LEO with the intent to steal. The Plumbers would not take this very well, especially as while the Guardians are implied to be all but omniscient or some such, everyone still regards Azmuth as the smartest being in multiple galaxies including the one the Guardians live in - and they're stealing his property.
Someone write a fanfic of Hal getting into deep shit for not only killing one of the universe’s most important protectors but also stealing one of the most powerful devices among 5 of 7 galaxies because Hal’s a moron.
Oh yeah, Death Battle forgot about it because boring
I never said it was interesting, just that it bugged me....
ben isn't technically an officer. He has good relations and is in the database but does not have a designated position.
@@siddharthkorampalli9667he is a plumber he went to plumber academy in order to become an actual plumber in an episode.
Even to this day, watching the death battle fight between Ben and Green Lantern still makes me angry beyond no belief
Let's also not forget the time Ben Died as Chromastone, omnitrix was completely removed when he was Crushed, then it brought him back to life. And this was during the time when Ben kept the Damage between when he was hurt as a Alien
Or the time Ben held the fucking universe in his hands
I thought it was weird when they commented on how Ben couldn't survive an exploding planet to the face, yet we see him surviving the big bang.
Raymond Yongho Exactly
Or that one time feedback held the Big Bang and the Omnitrix literally made a new body for him by fusing the dna from multiple of his different aliens
*WITHOUT FAILSAFE !!!!*
in Alien Force ,that's how advanced omnitrix is.
You truly know the death battle was trash when BOTH fandoms agree on who should have won. these are not my words, these are someone elses.
For real. At least in this case it seems more like incompetence than bias.
Oh hey, that's my comment.
Ageed
exactly
Keep crying
The thing about omnitrix overuse harming your DNA comes from the Feedback Arc, the Omniverse scene where Ben locks himself as some toad thing for 6 months, and the first battle with Albedo. These all imply together that misuse of the omnitrix and its transformations puts strain on Ben and will eventually effect his ability to transform normally.
Another contributing factor is the fact that Hal has a huge range of feats due to him being around longer.
"Aliex X was treated far more like a melee fighter." I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed this. They did the same thing with Dr Strange and Dr fate too. You have 2 of the most op magic users in comic books going at it and they're fighting with punches and kicks. They seem to think every fiction fight would look like a DBZ fight.
I don't get it, though.
With how often they have to repeat that the animations are _just for fun_ and _not_ actual representations of how the fights would go, why do people _still_ not understand that?
Their fights are based on stats and _stats alone,_ taking into account how one can counter the other. The animated fights are _completely irrelevant._
Sed Donkus there are two problems with ppl who keep stating “the animation is only for fun” despite it being true. 1. This person isn’t complaining the results are inaccurate, he’s complaining that the fights are dull and do not represent the characters well. The fights are repetitive because they all act as DBZ fights and thus aren’t fun to watch for some ppl, so the fight doesn’t rly do anything for the viewer. 2. Even though the fights are just for show, that doesn’t mean that they can’t be inaccurate. GL beats Ben in a way that’s not possible and death battle claims to know that which makes the fight kinda dumb considering it’s not even a “possible outcome or representation” of what might happen. So ya even if the animation doesn’t count towards the result, that doesn’t mean it’s okay if it horribly misrepresents the characters
I've got a video on my channel of what would have happened if they didn't nerf alien x on my channel
@@mystacit6486 _No one_ says that the fights are accurate. _No one_ tries to push the fight animations as valid arguments. _Not even Death Battle._ Hell, they barely even acknowledge the fights.
_That's_ why the ending rundowns in Death Battles can most times barely even have much to do with the animations and seem to just be random statements of strengths. It's because it's _not_ a rundown of the animation, it's a rundown of why one wins over the other, how one's stronger than the other, how one counters the other. In Ben vs Hal's video, they're _not_ talking about specific moments in the animation, they're talking about and emphasizing how everything that Ben has to offer, Hal simply has _better._ This is something Ink Tank doesn't seem to understand.
I mean, sure. You understand that the animations are invalid arguments, right? Then you must understand that arguing against them is just as invalid and pointless?
And yes, the fight animations aren't much, and they can very well just do the battles without them. Hell, you _can_ simply just skip them if they bug you so much. But, come on, now. If they removed them, they'd be just like every other unsuccessful nerd channel on youtube discussing and _only_ discussing, getting one or two thousand views per video. Are you really going to tell me there's not a significant part of their viewers who are just the general public tuning in and just skimming over the first half of the videos to get to the animations and the results?
The simple fact is that people find hearing people just talking and discussing _boring._ So the fight animations are squeezed into Death Battle's videos, as has been reiterated over and over again, _to put on a show._ To draw people in.
@@hazim_izzat "Its a rundown of why one wins over the other" Then why did Hal win then?
This comment section has been ruined by TheMetallicBlur.
Local man does not know how to debate
That is a smart Idea then Hal cant do anything because the ring works off of willpower
Not really given that Alien X’s reality warping powers are nowhere close to the Crisis on Infinite Earths.
TheMetallicBlur
Wow dude you’re harassing people everywhere.
Also, Green Lantern counters Alien X’s mind control and existence erasure.
TheMetallicBlur
Explain.
Even if they were gonna have Ben lose, he shouldn’t have lost like THAT
Couldn’t Ben turn into swampfire,wildvine or even ghostfreak to survive his hand to get cut off? 🤨
Exactly. That is literally the failsafe is design for!
Correct
Omnitrix design don't let users die in any situation .
I said that before and I will say it again, they should've hired you for this one
I agree
Right. I'm saying
Amit Barabi Agreed
Kevin Ramos a shame they were correct. Hal is op
@@benpage11
they were not right about Ben, he has so many aliens that could be usefull but were not used
Ben: *child body, adult voice, original watch, new aliens*
i was like "if you want to put everything on the him being young is weakness like billy, at least give him a child bvoice"
Didn't even give him the Ultimatrix..
Lol reminds me of Toph.
@@GrandRezero Probably because that was only a temporary upgrade.
@@jacksonnunberg4249 that's true enough. But they didn't even mention it. They even gave a small nod to the hybrid aliens in the text blocks.
Amazing analysis on the battle. You're knowledge of Ben 10 is incredible
The clip you show at the beginning is not a feature of the failsafe. Ben's human body was simply durable enough to survive that metal slab falling on him
I sighed so hard that I nearly died
As much as Iove Ben 10 this is just ridiculous
So you're indirectly saying ben being a normal human teenager is more powerful then peek humans like cap America,spider man etc etc.
Bullshit
He’s really hard headed and very dense, you see.
@@thongbong same
cmon, I’m a fan of Green Lantern, but it’s without a doubt, that he wouldn’t be able to defeat Ben 10, specially with control of Alien X.
Exactly
research lady hes beaten characters like Alien X before
Just a sentient Mclaren P1 no he hasn’t, there are feats that put him on par with emperor joker, who completely wrecked Hal, alien x stomps
@@yourlocalcringeboy7086 yes he has stop lying x is a mid tier reality warmer
@@yourlocalcringeboy7086 oh god your a gacha fangirl no wonder you think Ben wins
The part you mentioned about Death Battle not doing justice to the characters has always been a problem.
I agree, but they do pretty good roughly 50% of the time. They need some credit for bringing us stuff like this
@@99lifestogo63 I can agree to that I don't really watch them for the results anymore just to see how certain characters are represented or if they do anything that will spark discussion like the Goku vs Superman episodes
@@shrooms847 "discussion" lol
So do you understand what being able to survive the erasing of reality means?
@@the_blind_hearing6 , more like a Civil War
i can't believe it's been 3 years since this video came out my god how time flies.
This is one of those videos that kinda deserves a rematch.
Galvens (Grey matters species) :How powerful will the Omnitrix be?
Ben: Yes
Justin Nguyen only azmut did it himself I have no clue what happens with the other galvens
Actually yes you are right but In the season Omnitrix you see galvens helping developing the watch but Azmut does most of the work
Moon Tourmaline I also forgot his name at the time so... XD
Hmmm yeah
Haykal F.M Manik my favorite is paradox
Green Lantern wins:
Boomstick: What
Audience: What
Sinestro: What
Azmuth: *¡¿QUE VERGA?!*
@@Niop_Tres chile
Jajaja
Azmuth:Nani!?!?!?!?!?!?
Azmuth: The Omnitrix’s is the symbol of peace
Azmuth: There is no reality where he wins quick alien x
oh god the echo echo thing made me realize you could mass produce omnitrixes. that’s bananas
The ring can’t just slide off as shown in comics it’s just that that scene is a way to make Batman seem like a badass character
Well it’s now been retconned
As a huge fan of both, thank you for not shitting on my man Hal, but delivering the facts. Slight correction on Hal's ring not having fail safes of removal though, that scene is derived from "Batman is so awesome and cool and unfallible. he's God." they completely broke continuity so Bruce could look cool for a second. Ben still wins, and has superior fail safes but that movie is absolutely not a prime example.
Ben doesn't win doe , I'm actually a Fan of both and I know Ben doesn't win due to Hals more insane feats.
Ink is a fanboy , the thing the people in the comments accuse DB of.
Do you realize how much of a broken record you sound like. Alien X is an above 26th dimensional being and as confirmed by the creators “time moves as Alien X wants it to”
Also Ben doesn’t even need Alien X to win
Feedback, Chromastone, Buzzshock, Ampfibian, or NRG(Outside of his containment suit): Drain all the power from Hal’s ring making him vulnerable and try to recharge it
Grey Matter or Brainstorm: Can easily device a plan of how to remove Hal’s ring and get the upper hand
Upgrade or Jury Rigg: Can easily take control of or dismantle Hal’s ring in 5 seconds and I doubt Hal would know to react in time
Ghostfreak or Toepick: Can scare Hal or distract him long enough to catch him off guard
Ghostfreak, Big Chill, or Ampfibian: Can phase into Hal and turn into Diamondhead or Way Big
Clockwork: Can slow down time and take Hal’s ring or age him to dust
Ball Weevil: His slime can easily absorb energy attacks
Gutrot, Pesky Dust or Swampfire: Can easily just put Hal to sleep. And as Pesky Dust can just enter his dreams and cause nightmares
Echo Echo or Ditto: Can clone himself up to 100 clones, have them all hit the Omnitrix symbol, turn into Gravattack and create 100 black holes
Whampire: Drain Hal’s life force
Upchuck or Eatle: Can just eat Hal’s attacks or Hal himself
Nanomech: Shrink down to microscopic and fly into Hal’s ear and then turn into something big
@@spectraphantom5870 1. Those aliens probably won’t be able to drain his battery. His ring is unique and can recharge using his will. He has more will than everyone in the universe. Maybe feedback can, but we wouldn’t know for sure since the power in question IS will
2. Maybe upgrade could take over the ring. Then again, maybe he could will upgrade out of the ring. Who knows. Jury Rigg can’t dismantle a ring. Do you know how strong he would have to be?
3. Hal can easily overpower both of them before they make a plan.
4. The ring can detect that the aliens in question can phase. Hal can fly extremely fast so he wouldn’t get caught unless he slips up.
5. Hal is most likely losing here
6. Ball Weevil is not going to absorb the power that can hurt guys like Superman
7. The ring automatically filters out the air. They wouldn’t be able to do a thing to him
8. Gravattack doesn’t have the strength to make a single black hole. Maybe clones of him can, but he wouldn’t be able to escape. It would be suicidal to make a black hole.
9. Whampire could drain his life force assuming. Hal could easily get him off and fly fast enough to get away. Maybe if Hal is creative he could simulate sunlight and burn him. Hal prolly isn’t that creative though
10. Sure, both can eat constructs but what if Hal decides wrap them around completely? They wouldn’t be able to move, open their mouths or do anything. It would be GGs from there.
11. This is one I don’t know what to say about. I don’t know if GL’s barrier would protect him from something entering his ear or not.
@@mr_valor3903 Did you not remember the episode where Gravattack did create a black hole?
@@spectraphantom5870 wasn’t just him but I’ll give you that one. Still, he can escape a black hole because he is that fast. He literally almost went into the speed force
Completely agree! Asked a lot of these questions when I was watching it
They do share just their view on this on and only just one view
Honestly,and ignore my profile pic
Yeah same I was like the scissor thing won’t work because of the FAILSAFE
Yet there getting probably more hate now then they would have if Ben won lol the irony (don’t know if irony the correct term for this situation lol)
this video was pure bias
The only issue I see with the Million Echo-Echoes is that at the end of the clone episode, where such a feat is demonstrated, they have to fuse together, meaning that each instance of Echo-Echo is still considered the same clone network, so no new clones.
Very good video! You got my like, comment and sub. Well done.
Alien X should be treated less like a super weapon, and more like the old testament God. He can create the universe and all life, and then immediately kill everything if they displease him.
agreed tbh it should be a last resort as BEN PHYSICALLY CANT DIE AT ALL and he was so many other aliens to use like big chills in-tenability then transforming into way big there are infinite amount of way ben could beat hal in my opinion they downplayed Ben so much
no he is only universal
Thanos He’s 5d multiversal wanked multiversal +
@@lazerc1an60 he has never shown this feat plus Hal is soooooooo much stronger than multiversal
@@lazerc1an60 also infinite ways Ben can’t ever beat Hal Hal has beat specter with a black ring this easily makes him above hyperversal above 26d you did no research on Hal’s true power
I think that as demonstrated in the episode where ben clones himself using echo echo, while each clone is completely autonomous, they are not the entire ben. I think that the same goes for splixons and sonorosians, if he were to divide too many times, his person would degrade and possibly become irreparable.
Ben 10 vs Green Lantern is probably the worst Death Battle I've ever seen. And it's crazy how many people disliked it, and I agree big time.
There is also the fact that Ben, using Echo Echo can use the Omnitrix to change into any alien he wants while still having the clones and changing the clones into different aliens.
Remember from that one episode
Which eps i cant remember
yeah..remember that ultimate echo echo
I remember
It was an episode(alien force) when ben had to go see his girlfriend's tennis match and he was bored so went to the bathroom turned echo echo , made two clones and turned back human producing three bens who later transformed into three different aliens.
I believe it was Ultimate Alien
Season 1 Episode 2 - Duped
@@sohammitra7516 Ultimate Alien
Ben: I figured that the omnitrix had a Fail-Safe that wouldn't let me die
Deathbattle: y'all hear sumn? Cuz I don't
Edit: why are people still replying to this comment, I disagree with Ben beating green lantern, move on in your lives.
haha its almost like the fail safe doesn't matter
@@zephyromega3077 except it does
@@gman4736 Nope. Hal is stronger and faster than Alien X, and by extension the Failsafe considering his speed feats are LEAGUES beyond anything shown in Ben 10.
@@zephyromega3077 sotobero effect. Ben would know that Hal traveled in time
Zephyr Omega haha you’re serious really
ALIEN X CAN ERASE SOMEONE FROM HISTORY IN A BLINK OF AN EYE AND ALSO HE CAN DO WHAT EVER WANTS HE CAN TURN HAL INTO A FISH
Watching this and being subscribed to both Death Battle, and Ink Tank.
Fun fact: Green Lantern became God Of Light so if only they made Alien X vs God Of Light Green Lantern then it could've made more sense.
Green Lantern: "ImMa Go BaCk In TiMe AnDd WiLl-PoWeReD yOu To ShIt, KiD!"
Ben 10: "But hey man, Alien X!"
Other then people with no powers like green arrow or batman Death Battle Loves it when DC wins.
Wonder woman?
Was just pointing something out
@@gman4736
Cant let the actual gods win, only the pretenders.
Its not their fault DC wins all the time Its because DC always makes their characters GODS even lesser known characters like Captain Atom or BoosterGold are OP as Hell
@F3 PLAYZ so is GL
@F3 PLAYZ thats because Hal was'nt focusing was'nt in any sort of fighting setting so there would'nt be any reason for him to watch out incase someone tried taking off his ring
You know when wiz and broomstick think the outcome was bullshit, there's a problem
Doesn't matter cuz they're not the ones who do the research
GL is 2000x Stronger than Alien X, his constructs are 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000x faster than the failsafe,
and can resist Alien X's hax. They don't show all of their research into the episode because that would be boring.
im watching this again 2 years later and i swear kuro i didnt know what fail safe meant your the one who taught me that
Couldn’t alien X just make the ring disappear
Yup.
Exactly.
Alien X could just blink and Hal would be gone.
Francisco Macedo he wouldn’t even need to blink, just exist
Absolutely
It’s crazy how you sat here and really talked about it, not yell at how they got something wrong. You brought up feats, and actual statements that back up what you say. Amazing video and honestly a new subscriber
I agree
@Luqmaan cassiem he is biased about Ben 10? Bitch please... You are Salty and biased about green lantern... Sorry to dissapoint you, but all of the feats presented by him are true and Ben using master controll can be using all of his aliens for an unlimited amuont of time, alongside that alien x can litteraly do anything, while green lantern is a human with a ring that can easily be taken off, not to mention he Has to recharge it
Question when alien x rewinds time and and wait for hals ring to power down wouldn't hals ring be constantly recharging so it would be a endless loop??? Love the vid the and keep up the good work im subscribing
They conveniently ignored the very thing designed to keep the Omnitrix's wielder alive
If your faster then the omnitrix then it wont protect them even the ring can protect its weilder since it could have pulled hal away from alien x punch
@@MissAshley101 the omnitrix reacted to the big bang. There is nothing Hal can do,no matter how fast he is to ooutdo the failsafe. The omnitrix reacted to the very thing that created the concepts of space and time,since that's what the big bang is. And even then as the video states alien x wouldn't let him anyway
Hal can can react to the Spectre light swords attacks which move faster then time itself and his ring was able to stop the swords and redrict it back so no ben still loses
I can respect them if Ben lost via a legit reason. Time travelling like that is not a legitimate reason when Clockwork can do they same thing.
Big chill and Ghost freak can phase through almost all of Hal's attacks and Chromastone and Feedback can absorb all his energy attacks. Even being hit with an entire moon/planet would not be effective if you can't even touch the person you're trying to hit.
Manipulating time is also not useful if your opponent can also do it. And from how it looks, Ben can do it better as Clock work can travel to different timelines, travel forward and backwards in time and even undo destruction from multi timeline bomb
LIKE
@@endercreppernetherman7026 alien x I'd powerful, but many of Ben's other aliens were just as good for the situation. Upjuck can eat almost anything thrown at him and send it back, in the original I believed they said he swallowed something that had the power of 16 suns.
His changes are also incredibly fast and he can couple the effects together. So he could literally use multiple combinations of Aliens to out beat Hal. Upgrade alone could cause trouble for Hal since he and Megawatt can tamper with the ring. The ring is alien tech so why wouldn't an alien like upgrade be able to meet with it. Or even lobstar( think I got the name wrong) was able to pull apart technology from 25th dimension. Technology mind you that was on the same level as the omnitrix which was the most advance thing in Ben's universe
I 100% thought upgrade couldve just shat on GL the entire time. I also wanted to see the Binitrix but ofc that's kinda a deep pull
The animation isnt canon with the actual fight so if I was going to guess how green lantern could've won, I would say dismantling the watch with his ring. I'm pretty sure the creator of the omnitrix has taken out the center piece of his watch before, making it unusable.
ua-cam.com/video/O-cGrrQhC9w/v-deo.html 1:36 litterally just gets lazered off
DB Ben 10 hasn't been consistent with his combination of powers so we won't use them
Also DB :we'll use a feat Hal has done once and another another Lantern has pulled
DB: "This Derrick J. Wyatt statement is clearly a joke."
Also DB: "Toph wins because of this Word Of Creator statement right here!"
DB: Alien X had no defense against Green Lantern’s time travel even though he just time traveled about 5 seconds ago. Diamond Head’s durability is nowhere near as tough as Green Lantern’s unlike Alien X’s. Alien X couldn’t stop universal destruction even though another alien was able to absorb a Big Bang. Ben 10 had no defense against having his arm chopped off even though it actually happened in an episode. Alien X couldn’t destroy Green Lantern’ shield even though Four Arms could. Ben 10 could only use one form at a time even with the life support system (which is just BS). I could go on but we’d be here for hours.
Db has a habit of going with the word of God argument. It isnt an invalid argument, but it isnt the whole argument. But comparing a hero who's been around for 10 year to one that's been around for damn near 100, obviously one will have more extream feats under their belt.
Think of it like this. Each Green Lantern has done incredible feats, they are able to because they have the will power to do it like containing the big bang or surviving the crisis which was a muliversal erasure. Now Hal has defeated the god of will power or the very embodiment of will power, with his own will power. So that means he would be able to do this same feats or do them in a greater way.
@@assthrasher4305 some of them, but many lanterns have things like durability and longevity that hal will never have because at the end of the day, hes still just a human
Thank you man you really helped me
Now I’m just curious about something, would Alien X be resistant to mind manipulation? I can’t remember it ever coming up in the show… I assume having at least 3 separate personalities it would most certainly be more difficult since it requires a majority vote to accomplish anything.
Actually, near the end of Omniverse, Ben has full control over Alien X. He said that Bellicus and Serena could go off in the corner an disagree all they want and only ever have to help him when all 3 of them are in danger
This is shown once in “Universe Vs. Tennyson” and in “Weapon Xl: Part 1” where Ben, as Alien X, is effortless doing everything without hesitating
Also the Omnitrix protects the user from mind control and being overshadowed
All ben literally has to do is switch to brainstorm at the start of the fight, and then there is literally no way he cant come up with a way to win, the best option probably being upgrade.
Or even greymatter
Alien X is smarter he is nigh omniscient
@@tsmokes5687 good point
Aaron Rachiele thanks bro
@@tsmokes5687 he isn't omnipiten but ok
Who would win
A database of Alien DNA with anit-death and forced removal protocols
or
One Scissory boi
The first one
@@amanpreetgill7564 So how did dr manhatten break one?
@@amanpreetgill7564 if mxyzptlk can easly deafeat hal way cant alien x
Also he has been confimed to be higher than 5th dimensional
The only reason he lost because he was out smarted
@@meshasmith6810 the real reason ben lost was because of the "creative" Death Battle wanted him to. Contradicting most of the points they made to ben even before the fight.
also the keep rewinding time thing wouldn't work b/c you would be reversing the rings power level to the same level every time
So y'all just ignore everything about green lantern ok. Comic books are scaled to ludicrous degrees.
Gl dies of old age if anything
@@Rmsdxdkskxelfmso does ben?
I'm more of a DC fan but even I knew that video was off.
It isn't off
@@anti-lifeequation1683 he means death battle
OhThatGuy stop
@OhThatGuy
Nope because the galaxy alien CONTROLS REALITY ITSELF AND IS FASTER THAN HAL FUCKING JORDAN.
@OhThatGuy no he can't.
“Which is their words, not mine”
HA, gottem
Gotta love it when these debunk vids use DB's own words against them. TBH I haven't watched any of the new Ben 10..the artstyle is just..bleh to me..and I only watched bits and pieces of the previous Ben 10..the OG version was my favorite especially when they showed Ben 10,000 and future Gwen. But just HEARING what all they said about Ben 10 and Alien X, and having seen a few of Ink Tanks Ben 10 vids under his previous name..I knew they screwed the pooch on this battle..and damn near every Ben10 fan knew it and no matter what the DC fans kept trying to refute it while knowing little to nothing about Ben 10..hell a DC fan and Fan of GL SPECIFICALLY mentioned even HE knew Hal should have lost this battle.
@Jacob St.Clair The reboot is just as bad as Teen Titans Go to me... Lol
As soon as I watched the video I went straight to your channel
I saw Kuros 1st video speculating all the cool stuff they could do for the battle, then I watched this episode and you can hear the frustration and disappointment in his voice.
That one time Hal traveled through time, he only traveled to the future and lost his memories because of it. Also that was pre-crisis, and it isn’t something Hal can just do. The more powerful things the ring can do often require extreme focus for example healing. Before Simon Baz it was stated to be impossible for someone to heal with the green ring, but with enough focus and will he did it.
This is what I'm talking about. Death battle literally just takes everything from any Canon and throws it onto superhero characters ignoring the fact that they are two very different characters.
There have been multiple instances of GL time travel. He time traveled to the year of 5707. He was able to rip a hole to 100,000,000 years ago. He can send others to different times and even his power beams to other times. He power-beamed both Flash and Reverse Flash through time. Hal can also disrupt the flow of time. Even on verge of death, he was able to stretch a nanosecond into eternity (1) (2). He was able to freeze time up to a thousand miles from a planet and was competitive with Parallax Hal who was a casual time-freezer.
Besides that Green Lanterns can create time as well. Hal created "chronal energy" and time. A flash of his consciousness was able to disrupt a time null zone. He was perfectly fine in a stasis field where time did not move. Green Lanterns can also destroy time. When the Time Trapper got a Green Lantern ring he destroyed all possible futures of Earth-1.
Basically, copy and pasted from this g1dbteamblogs.blogspot.com/2019/05/death-battle-predictions-ben-10-vs.html
Dude they are basically using a Composite Green Lantern. The Hal from pre-crisis got killed.
@@comicking428 Then he still hasn't traveled back in time, and Clockwork can do the same things and how could he get passed the Omnitrix fail-safe
I wanna point out that the omnitrix didn't even need to transform ben into something that can have its arm not cut off, they literally only would need to trigger a transformation where the omnitrix isn't in the arm (most transformations nowadays), then a Ben with a missing arm and master control can still quickly swap into alien X to restore the mutilated arm.
Or a liquid alien to reattach the arm.
or just back to ben as the watch works on host dna and not physical condition, so an alien could loose a limb and he'd turn back to ben but still have it.
Or just one that can regenerate like Chromastone or Swampfire
Honestly stuff like the Omnitrix should be banned from battles forever. It's one of the most broken items in all tv history. Even if it doesn't contain an alien capable of defeating an enemy it can just protect Ben itself. How do you defeat Ben?
@@Aaroncarter95 outsmart him in a personal relationship way and make him doubt his life, making him willingly give up the watch. so basically the same way hal looses his powers :D
If this battle was a vote like they do on DBX, ben 10 would easily take the win right then and there
Stuff like this is why I think Death Battle should collaborate with other youtubers who are experts in said fandom they have a fighter representing.
Most people seem to forget that when Ben turned into echo echo he split into three and had each turned back to human and had each went about the day each having it's own omatrix and able to turn into different aliens at the same time
almost died
I remember thinking that Ben could’ve easily done that in the fight and kept a plan going with Grey Matter and Brainstorm
@@Thedarksenshi but Hal is too fast for that he could speed blitz them
That episode was horrible.
@@redgeoblaze3752 I know I agree with the outcome but the fight ends in a dumb way the facts are terrible the reason Hal won is stupid etc.
Why did I know the results as soon as as I saw Ben 10 vs green lantern
I knew they were going to mess this up
Same
Andrew Deng a shame they didn’t mess it up
@Adventist typical words of a salty fanboy ;)
@@edwardaucay8597 Irony ;)
@@librathebeautifulwarmonk1283 says you ;)
damn, this was 2 years ago already. time sure does fly
Awesome video!
Did they even bring up the fact that Ben always has a spare Echo Echo on stand by in case something happened to him?
I don't think so. But that episode was pretty great
@@rossonemillion3931 no bro in that episode he mentioned that he always keep one spare but after he got fail safe then he I guess stopped doing that
This Ben seemed less bloodlusted than the actual time he was fighting to KILL Kevin
@@madnik2 I think he would still do that for safe keeping
@@oxiclean8536 yes that can be a possibility
Alien X survived a Crisis level event. You know something Hal never survived in a pre crisis form.
@Trex 2402 no when I mean Crisis level I mean CRISIS ON INFINITE EARTHS LEVEL! As the anhiolarg is essentially a controlled version of the anti moniter's wave which killed all versions of Pre crisis Hals.
@Trex 2402 Black Lantern entity can only kill life not erase universes.
Barry Bend look at this g1dbteamblogs.blogspot.com/2019/05/death-battle-predictions-ben-10-vs.html?m=1
Dude I understand you didn't read Zero Hour nobody read Zero Hour but he gained enough power to basically rewrite the book to whatever he wants
Barry Bend yet they say Hal COULD have survived it because Kilowog did and Hal is far more powerful than Kilowog. I mean, it makes sense. But I still don’t think that would have stopped him from loosing.
7:28 4 Alien Xes in the bottom right corner
After just seeing the real potential of reality bending power houses in death battle animations via Bob vs Discord, Alien X being reduced to punching things is horrendous. Even Wanda vs Zatanna managed to express it with a more similar (budget?) to ben vs hal.
Reminder: Galactic Gladiator vs Alien X.
@@justinalicea1590 At the beginning of the fight Ben didn't have full contron on Alien X, he had to deal with Bellicus and Serena arguing. The moment he gets full control, GG gets curbstomped.
@@mistery8363 Tell me you didn't watch the episode without telling me you didn't watch the episode: