Marshall Silver Jubilee Shootout! (Feat. Ben Eller)
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Ben Eller and myself like things that are nice but we also like things that are small, like amplifiers!
So we did a shootout of the father Silver Jubilee and the Studio Jubilee, both from Marshall!
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Remember when we mashed on Jubes? Pepperidge Farm remembers.
Fukkin sikkkk ... unc and fluff
Lol I say Pepperidge Farms remembers at least once a week!
OOOOoooooo I membaaaaaa
MOAR please and thanks
I read that as "pubes"...
Am I insane? The small amp has way more attitude to me and would sit perfectly in a real mix.
Deff has more of a presence to it
I concur!
YMMV of course, but once they EQ'd the big boi to match in the mids at about 8:30, the 100 was pretty close in that snarl but also had the low-mid warmth the little one was lacking. I'd still probably take the little one for recording though since the difference was small.
Yes, and you are correct.
I kind of like the smaller amp as well. There is something about the high end cutting through. I am not sure.
This. This is exactly how a shootout/comparison should be - switching between the amps with no, not even a single word in between. Awesome! I really liked the small one.
The non verbal exchanges just through facial expressions are priceless! Great video
You guys should just have your own permanent channel at this point. I love it
I like that
Holy crap the studio was $1299 4 months ago now they’re MAP $1749. So essentially $500 in a couple of months? Even if they’re cost to build went up by over 40% that unsustainable
Well let's see how many they sell at that price point. Demand will likely fall
I live in Australia and the 100 watt model is still at $2,200. Can't understand why it's so expensive where you are.
it’s the same thing I said about standard squiers at $500 and standard Mexican strats at $900 they rode the wave of pandemic guitar buying right off a cliff lol
So expensive in th US..! in Europe we can have 2525H for 850 euros and big brother 2555X for 1200 euros! ... but but but Friedman stuff is way more expensive for us ...
I bought 2525H (NEW) for just 750$ in 2021 from Germany.
The "oh damn listen to that" faces you two shoot each other over and over make me laugh.
The big one sounds like I would think the little one would sound and vice versa lol
My bandmate has the original 2555 with original cabs and I have to say, cranking the mids and an extra dash of high REALLY makes this a monster of an amp. Put the gain up higher and it can handle the heavier rock and metal with ease.
i think the most significat diference is the speaker. Even between the same model, they sounds pretty diferent. Few years ago i recorded a 2x12 with a pair of blackshadows, they sound completly different from each other.
I think exactly the same thing. The two sounds are excessively different, such a difference comes from the speaker, certainly not from the amplifier. An objective test would have occurred if both amplifiers had produced the sound from the same speaker.
I am the 666th like. When are you two going to make it official and announce the Fluffy Ben Show? Also, you’re not playing the Jubes thru the Jubilee cab? 16 OHM 4 LIFE
I have the 2525 and I don’t have the words to describe just how much I love it. I’ve often wondered if I shoulda gone with the big boy but then I look up shoot-out like this and I know I made the right decision!
great amps. one of my biggest regrets was selling my jubilee 2553 short head and matching 2556a 2x12 slanted cab, which i bought new in 87. worth a few bob now!
Secret Tone on Jubilee: Input Gain on 8 not pulled, Lead master pulled on 6 and Output and EQ necessary.
Small one sounded more open and better overall a wee little bit too much high end bite.
Made me laugh when you said lets make the little one sound more like the big one, when I would have tried to make the big one sound more like the little one
Biggest problem you're not using the same speakers.
You needed an amp switcher to do a fair comparison.
Anyway I like them both 😅
Yeah i just noticed both amps are not running through the same speakers and thats probably why they sound different.
I think the only way you can get a pair of 34s down to 20 watts is triode them to keep their output down like in my 25 50 jubillee hi low swich or just have them calmed right down
I don't know how you could besides drop the voltage on plates and run them at the bottom of their range
Or class A parallel with no phase splitter
In all these scenarios the 2 amps
Will of course sound very different
Even in the same speaker box
Good amps for rock or boosted 4 metal
I bought mine in the 80s new and only last year stopped performing
I also have a 10 watt amp
Class A cathode biased
With 2 6v6s in parallel
Octal socket
A friend and myself built this
Lil amp it goes pretty good
I've performed with it
It's pretty maxed out
With a hard hitting drummer
Sounded good though
I run a zoom into it
It loved it
Only 3 patches though
Clean
Crunch rhythm
N lead
We found the circuit in
A book by Dave Hunter
It was an English design from memory
My friend sourced the parts
It will take a single 34 or 6L6
Versatile lil sucker
This one only had
1 12ax7 and 2 output tube sockets
Valve rectified though
I have another lil amp
Class A 5 watts
Diode rectified
2 12ax7s 1 el84
With 9 modes on the cathodes of the ax7s
Facilitated by 2 three position toggles to switch caps into side loops example
Bright / deep /bright boost /fat boost etc I know which setting I like by just flipping em
No markings required
I got a lil help of my tech friend
But put this one together myself
I've A/B it to my Marshall and at its best say 4 watts it sounds better than the jubillee by a tad
Smoother prob from output tube distortion
Best into a greenback single kiln dried pine box vinyl covered closed back
At its peak 4 watts I haven't heard a better
Amp
Besides a badcat Dr z or matchless
I wanted to take this Marshall style preamp with switching and have
2 kt88s in class A somehow would b an interesting critter
Then along came the tweaker 88
Egnater
Ah well
I think it's class AB though
One last thought what about
An ef86 pre with maybe an ax7 either side or have the ef86 first
ALA vox ac15 phase split with an ax7
Then kt88s
Hmmmm maybe
Can you guys give me a o’clock setting for the controls on my 2525h ? TIA. YOUR MINI sounded awesome!
The Silver Jubilee 25/50 was my main amp for years. It's a bonafide rock and roll amp!!!
I have one, in black… og owner. Love it…
Great amps, but after trying one for awhile, I didn't like how limited they were. They do a couple things REALLY well, such as edge-of-break-up tone for Strats, and full-on hard rock distortion for guitars with humbuckers, but try switching between things in a live situation and it becomes a nightmare... at least for me. And you can forget about something like Nirvana where you need 100% gain and 100% cleans back and forth on the fly. Not going to happen lol. Also, it doesn't really take high-gain pedals all that well.
Still, if you want that one or two things it does, nothing beats it.
The 100 watt has the oomph, small one sounds way thinner. Why does not Marshall reissue the 50 watt Silver Jub? Way strange. It is the one to get, if you can find an old one. A 20watt strangled circuit makes no sence at all.
The small one without a DOUBT! Big one has a flubby low end
After having owned the original amp from 1987, for me Jim Marshall's biggest fail, apart from the JCM800, which I also never liked.
Stopped me from playing Marshalls. Strange for me, that player still like these scratchy sounds without any bass and mids.
This is no Plexi, but also no high-gain amp, just something - at least for me - very unbalanced in between.
I personally decided, to play Orange and Engl amps instead and they work much better for me.
So it is strange for me, that some players even today like these sounds. But ok, not my problem.
I'm having such a difficult time trying to decide if I want to buy one of these Marshall Studio heads. Wish a retailer in my area had all 3 of them to test out.
ive played all three extensively and the jubilee smokes the jcm 800 mini for a havier rock tone, if u want more classic tones go with the plexi but to get that to sing u have to get it really loud like the 100w version
@@jamesterry1341 Looking for something for that heavy rock tone and something that would be suitable for that 80's metal vibe.
Love this video! Super educational. If you guys get a chance, I think doing this same shootout for an 800 would be amazing.
The small amp sounds brighter when you switch back n fourth. They are just about the same. Uncle Ben let loose don’t play those little crap riffs. Go balls out !!!
The Big Boy sounds like a Jubilee should the mini gives up too much of what the Jubilee is famous for the mini just lacks in the BALLS to me too much to be a north if $1000 amp i would rather have a used 2555 over a new min ALL DAY ANYDAY but will never afford one
Say "Less cocked wah" three time fast.
If you are using two different mics on two different speakers (you can't make them sound the same) this is totally worthless comparison.
This isn’t some scientific experiment. This is for FUN. That’s why we all play, right?
@@RiffsAndBeards NO WE PLAY FOR SERIOUS SCIENCE ONLY
Sounds like you should watch your gear demos on a different channel.
Did Uncle Ben call him “Brian”? Ahahaha
Fun fact: Ryan Bruce is very professional but not not nice at all. He will punch you if you try to hug him.
I’m a get you back for that Ryan
Somehow
The big one sounds dark compared to the little one.
I still have my 2550 half stack. I bought mine brand new in 1987.
Its impossible to get a true feel unless you are in that room, but so far, the small is the sound i like, im with punk, and that treble sound reminds me of Dookie, and Smash. But punk has evolved, and it isnt just about treble anymore, its that low end i more appreciate now
I bet Opeth would sound amazing through both of those
Chappers and The Captain look different
Would you guys be able to do the same video, but with the JTM Studio vs the JTM45 reissue ?
Thing to figure it out forever and finally realized he sounds exactly like Dane Cook lol
Don't click any links. Warning, you will get spamed
Love my Mini Jube!
Great vid to watch while I crush quesadillas
I like the mids and highs from the mini myself.. l can't see any reason other than a very large gig for 100watts of Marshall.. l think in most club type gigs the smaller amp will obviously have to be driven harder putting it in the tone zone without ear bleeding decibels to get there. I buy the more practical mini... Even if the price was the same
I've seen the good ol Dixie Dregs several times back when a show ran about $8 a ticket. Steve Morse played the fuck out of his... incredible sounds.
What's up with that Mesa cab? It seems too small for a Traditional. Explain pls.
I like them both and want both. But if I had to choose one it would be the 2525h.
Steve Morse used this amplifier in 1990
The Little Boy sounded better to my old ears, especially for the cash.
Dooood!!! I swear uncle Ben has called you “Brian” in 2 videos now…. Wt?
Huh what?!
Having both, I agree that the "feel" is a little different between the two, as well...the headroom makes a difference. But not enough to justify six or more bills.
Are you sure the 20 watt doesn’t have EL84s??
I'd definitely go with the 20 watt amp! I remember absolutely loving the original in 1987 when I was in high school. I would get one if I could afford it.
Got the 100w.. In my upinion the Master volume needs to be dimed on these... I know it sounds super cliche, but the amp really opens up when cooked. 👍
I would love to see a video like this with the EVh 5150III's 6L6 and EL34 models
I have all the Marshalls love the vintage modern the best and the evh iii 6l6 head
Great amps! I was a foolish young man and ignorantly sold my 1987 50W Silver Jubilee head. But still have the 4x12 angled Jubilee cab.
Buy it again, life is short 👍
You got them close. I will say I liked the mini silver jubilee without the boost. But the 100 watt I preferred with a boost.
A B-stock full sized Silver Jubilee is $850 on Thomann right now. Here in the US, a mini Jubilee is about twice that. Even with import duties (about 5%) and shipping that’s still around $1K. Gear prices seem so crazy lately.
Glad I got mine years ago. Got the 100 Watter for 1400 in 2015.
3:59 "let's just chug" YYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH that's what the FUCK I'm talkin about Uncle Ben
in my opinion the little one looks more like bees
listening tastes are not discussed
I love both of these guys and I know they snagged a KIIIIIIIIILLER brand deal, but damn I’m dying for them to do a video together that isn’t sponsored by Sweetwater. Whatever I can get though. Thanks guys! Love you both!
Gary Holt also used them. Its what he tours with
First I was like "the big one sounds way better"...but holy smokes the small one really comes to life! Damn!
I honestly like the mini better, at least in this video. I cant place exactly what it is but it just sounds like my ideal Marshall tone.
am i the only one who prefers the 20w in every way
I Love every demo ive heard that amp in. I even use the plugins but never actually had the honnor of trying one of those myself. Great tone though you guys dialed those amps in like it was no mans business.
Avoid calling your audience kids - result - thumbs down
Bet you’re really fun at parties.
Nice demo and love my 87’ 2555 especially with 6CA7’s!
They had two amps on two separate speakers. Speakers don't sound the same at all...oneV30 will sound different from another V30 as an example. They even said the 100w was on the left side and the mini was on the right side. If they ran it as a mono 4x12 and switched the amps it would have been a better representation in my opinion. Awesome review though, I wanna get a mini head too as I already have the 2555x. The big amp has more high end sizzle because of the speaker. In my cabinets, the two top speakers sound completely different so do the lower speakers.
Keep up the great work fellas! Really enjoy watching your channel :)
I own the smaller 5/20w Jubilee head that I also use with a Mesa cabinet. (vertical Mesa 2x12) I don't have the 100w head to compare it too, but the 100w head seems to have more hiss to it in this video. They both sound great though. The 5/20w head was well worth the $1,100 I paid for it back around Jan. 2020. As someone noted, they are closer to $1,750 now! Don't forget to ask for a discount rather than paying MSRP!
Is the smaller one really loud enough to gig with?
@@watchingthecrazyworld7761 In an arena or venue supporting thousands of people? No, not really. In a pub / school / church or other smaller venues? Yeah, 20 watts is a lot louder than a lot of people think, but don't take my word. Go to a local shop and plug into a 20w amp crank it up and see for yourself.
That was awesome! Amazing how good and close the little boy sounded to the big boy! Wow.
These amps sound killer, I’ve only played the 20w and that was sweet sounding.
The Jubilee has always been my favorite Marshall. I bought a 50W for $500 back in the mid 90s, when no one wanted them. It's darker sound makes it the ideal Marshall for single coils.
Marshall really knocked it out of the park with the Studio line of amps. All of them. They're a bit pricy, especially the JTM45, but they sound great. And i don't know why, but for whatever reason Marshall has some of the best power scaling of any amp, especially the Studio. I've played the Jubilee and the Plexi, and the only real difference when going down to 5W is the volume level. It doesn't have the sag that usually comes with the lower wattage setting, it stays tight and you don't have to really dial the EQ back in when switching been the watts.
I'm not sure I agree with you guys. The small amp SOUNDS like a small amp to me. I guess if you're going for that little 1x12 cab type of sound sure, but that little guy is just not doing it for me in terms of big vintage Marshall sounds from famous albums... Not even close.
Call me crazy, but the main difference I listen is due to the fact that the studio version was probably getting into power amp saturation, that makes the amp roar and kinda filter the fizz produced by the pre amp. To get that with the 100W version, you couldn’t be seated next to the cab, without an attenuator to control the insanely amount of volume that puppy would be shooting…. It would be nice to check what amount of volume do you need in the 100W version to get the fizz out of the sound vs the Studio version…
Guys I don't know how to shop for an AMP :(
I'm a 1-guitar guy and I've never owned a nice big amp, I mostly play just for own enjoyment and headphones are fine.
Now I'm shopping for an amp and damn I don't even know where to start..
this video sold me on buying this mini lol
on my Marshall dsl100 hr. the 100watt vs 50watt is night and day! you dont know what your missing......I love to play at 100, even at bed rm volumes
The EQ section on the Jubilee amps is DRASTICALLY different than any other Marshall…it’s plate driven,so the EQ controls have a big impact on the sound…Not like a Plexi or 800 at all….I have an 87 Jubilee that I bought brand new,and I actually prefer the mini in a lot of ways…it’s more articulate,and not as low mid heavy as the 100 watt….however,you can dial them in pretty close…These are old skool Marshall’s,they need to be loud to really sound good,but the Jubilee is one of the most unique sounding amp’s Marshall has ever made….
Next time you guys are in town let me know and I'll bring up my JCM Slash for you to demo. It basically a 100W 2550 and is an incredible amp. Sounds different from the 100 Jubilee you just demoed.
I live in Australia and just checked the prices. $1,700 for the studio and $2,200 for the 100 watter. You guys are getting "hosed" over there.
Brian!? Lol.
Cool demo but Jesus f**** christ! The big boy is like half the price in europe... Knowing the USD and Euro are about the same currently. I've had both and found the big one had a bit more headroom and is a bit chuggier to my ears. But I've had the first version of the studio, that might be different with the current one.
i have a couple Marshals. I had a Vox AC30 head. I traded the Vox, and I never play the Marshalls. It's because the Quad Cortex Exist. I'm seriously to the point where I'm not sure I'll ever buy an actual amp again. I can just capture something if I want it. The QC comes with just about all the amps I'll ever need, and I would defy anyone to blind taste test the QC against just about any amp and tell the difference. I know one thing for certain....The audience doesn't know the difference.
Ample-friers hahahahahahaha
I keep returning to your jubilee videos. I know they are different beasts but in your opinion which amp would you choose between the Jub 100 and the EVH el34 100? Thanks
I have the big silver jubilee. It’s great. But not too versatile. My jvm410h kicks it’s ass. Jubilee has my heart in a weird way though. Classic tones
Who’s Bryan?
Had both, the 100 watt and the 20 very similar. Sold the 20 to get an FM3 for an easy great sounding fly rig with a PA speaker . Both sounded great keeping the 100 watt because it sounds glorious and had to keep one. Have a Jvm 410H, a BE-100 and the Jubilee 2555X. Do not regret letting the mini go as the FM3 duplicates every amp ever made.
It is weird that the smaller amp has less compression than the bigger one !
You didnt use the same speaker and same mic for both amps, did you ?
The big Amp sounds much darker and with less sizzle in the upper frequencies…
didn‘t cut through as well as the small one…
Maybe the mic position made the main difference ?
( its all about mic position… this makes a bigger difference than using different speakers !)
Best lows from a Marshall imo. Mids are insanely good too and has lots of variance in the presence and top end. My favourite Marsh tbh
A questão é somente Usabilidade, é uma pequena que o Maior seja impraticável para 98% das situações pois em termos de Som pra mim é muito melhor, tem Muito mais Corpo, parece outro Amp
Dude you guys are so lucky I mean you put the work in to get this far but man free reign at Sweetwater that means success to me .. great stuff fellas
Honestly to me they both sound about the same whith out the SD1 as i couldnt really tell a difference. With the SD1 the Studio was a tad brighter where the big Iron had more low end to it. I'm sure with a tweek to the EQ or a EQ in the loop you could easily get fix that. If playing without A/Bing the two or on a recording or playing live i doubt anyone would really be able to say oh he's using the Studio vs the Big boy or vice versa. Pick the one that fits your needs and budget and just Relax & Enjoy that Jubilee sound.
Lunchbox takes it by a long shot!!
If you close your eyes the guy on the left sounds like rick rubin 😂. Awesome comparison video though💪
I wish big boys was 2100 more like $2400 today.
Well now it is yeah. Hang on let me go back in time and adjust for inflation.
To me 20 watters are a great place to be, because you can crank them and get both preamp and power amp gain without blowing your ears out. The Silver Jubilee gets a bad rap because they have op amps, kind of like most jcm900's, and the tube snobs will claim that they aren't "all tube".
The mini sounds better to me
Is that a vintage 30 mesa cabinet??
Because i know the silver jubilee was made for v30s
I would have liked a volume comparison to see how much more headroom you get out of the big boy. So if the studio is dimed, what is the equivalent on the big boy? 2?3?6? I haven't played any of these studios in a band setting but I have a feeling they run out of steam in a loud band or gig setting
Being the same circuit and volume matched, I’m surprised at the obvious difference in tone. I would expect them to sound identical.
Well that tells me you don’t know anything about power amps.
@@OttophilGday how do you explain the 20 watt dual el34 power stage
Or so they say
Is it running at the bottom of range or in triode